ASSANGE-ICKE-AARNOUT-et al...

true lilly wrote:"Long and Uncomfortable"=BRAINWASHING as used by CULT LEADERS.
http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/post24742.html#p24742

Ickeism=
Culture jamming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming
Guerrilla marketing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_marketing
Spaßguerilla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa%C3%9Fguerilla
...and when ISN'T 'satire' satirical?
When it's all the above HIDING behind the filthy lie,
that those who DO GET WHAT 'THEY' ARE DOING,
"don't get satire".
Front Deutscher Äpfel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Deutscher_%C3%84pfel

Apple Front activists in typical uniform with satirized right extremist symbols and bearing
(The FRONT is 'satire' WHILE THEY FISH FOR THOSE WHO
DO SUPPORT WHAT THEY 'satirize')

Yep, anyone believing that 'alternative media' isn't
what's pushing The Beastly Agenda,
is either a deluded fool, or Knowingly, Willingly, Beastly.

Oh, and how many of The Most Vulnerable and Powerless,
is that, DEAD AROUND THE WORLD, now, DUE TO BEING
SUCKED INTO BLOODY, NATION DESTROYING "revolutions",
VIA The Twittering TWITS of WORLD WIDE (Global) WEB of
LIES?

le sabrage wrote:DESPERATELY LYING:

true lilly wrote:

Hee hee,
is that the sanest of my younger, old (and current), ungrateful,
backstabbing 'associates', today?
And is this the most 'youthful'?
Because you almost laugh as hard as those with an eye and brain did,

when she "got" a Licence to "Judge" ...IMHEO, justified laughter...
Funny to, because she was embarrassed of her wog hubby's surname...
and advertised Only As "Sue & Steve" because of all the people who
rang the club asking for a puppy bred by "Sioux & Steve" ...
but then her hubby's,

"REBEL"
bro, got himself an O.A.M., and suddenly,
she was no longer embarrassed by her wog surname...

...but kept the Cameron and hyphen

...interesting though, that when reading other's opinions:
http://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/au-motorcycle/6756/MRAA-ie-MRAV-bashing
of Bro-in-law, "Uncle DamienO.A.M.":
http://www.bikenut.com.au/uncledamien.php
http://damiencodognottooam.blogspot.com/
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it's like reading the experiences folk have with
DICTATORIAL David Icke and his NET HACKING,
PRIVATE Message Reading, INDEPENDENT OPINION BANNING,
FALSE 'consensus' Pushing, Forum Moderators ...and,
what a stupidly suicidal Global Religion it is,
that "they" keep shoving down the world's throat,
by trying to silence all warning voices:

Jeremiah - Chapter 50

Declare ⁵⁰⁴⁶ ye among the nations ¹⁴⁷¹,
and publish ⁸⁰⁸⁵ , and set up ⁵³⁷⁵ a standard ⁵²⁵¹;
publish ⁸⁰⁸⁵ , [and] conceal ³⁵⁸² not: say ⁵⁵⁹ ...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#1

2 Samuel - Chapter 7, 8 & 9

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=7&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=8&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=9&v=1&t=KJV#

And David ¹⁷³² said ⁵⁵⁹ ,
Is there yet ³⁴²⁶ any that is left ³⁴⁹⁸ of the house ¹⁰⁰⁴ of Saul ⁷⁵⁸⁶,
that I may shew ⁶²¹³ him kindness ²⁶¹⁷ for Jonathan's ³⁰⁸³ sake?

Jonathan ³⁰⁸³ hath yet a son ¹¹²¹,
[which is] lame ⁵²²³ on [his] feet ⁷²⁷².

So Mephibosheth ⁴⁶⁴⁸ dwelt ³⁴²⁷ in Jerusalem ³³⁸⁹:
for he did eat ³⁹⁸ continually ⁸⁵⁴⁸ at the king's ⁴⁴²⁸ table ⁷⁹⁷⁹;
and was lame ⁶⁴⁵⁵ on both ⁸¹⁴⁷ his feet ⁷²⁷².

NOTE:
lame ⁵²²³
lame ⁶⁴⁵⁵ on both ^{8147
DIFFERENT/ADDITIONAL numbers=ROOT (DESCRIPTIVE) MEANINGS.}

You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context.

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

Try reading the Rabbinic Midrash of the Book you ceaselessly quote out of context...........


Shiur #10: Psalm 127: The Difference Between “In Vain” (shav) and “Tranquility” (shena)
By Rav Elchanan Samet

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/10tehillim.htm

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:

1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”

A. Two obvious difficulties

Chapter 127 of Sefer Tehillim (like the following one – 128) belongs to a relatively small group of psalms that may be referred to as “wisdom psalms." Their aim is to educate towards a proper world-view, to inculcate biblical life-experience in the reader – like Sefer Mishlei and other books of wisdom. While the great majority of the psalms address the relationship between man and God, these “psalms of wisdom” deal with guidance for life (the assumption being, needless to say, that one’s life is always centered around God). While most of the psalms reflect a “vertical” relationship, between man and God, the “psalms of wisdom” (and the biblical literature of wisdom in general) is “horizontal” – i.e., inter-personal.[1]

The psalm is presented above as a poem should be written in brief lines and divided into stanzas.[2] From the point of view of literal exegesis, it seems straightforward and presents little difficulty.[3] However, even upon the most superficial initial reading, two questions immediately present themselves concerning the structure of the psalm and its thematic integrity:

The first question pertains to the psalm as a whole. We see that it is comprised of two halves, each addressing a different subject and each with a different atmosphere. Stanzas 1-3 express one idea: that man’s efforts alone will not bear fruit if God is not a partner to his efforts. The atmosphere here is a negative one, as expressed in the thrice-repeated negation – “shav” (in vain) concerning the three examples cited to illustrate the main idea: the building of a house, the guarding of a city, and hard work in order to make a living. The same idea could be expressed in a positive way: “When God desires a man’s ways, his endeavors will succeed”, or “It is God Who gives person strength to build a house and to guard a city." However, our psalm chooses the negative formulation: in the absence of God’s partnership in man’s actions, all of his endeavors will amount to nothing.

The second half of the psalm (stanzas 4-7), in contrast, has a different subject: the blessing that comes to a man who has “children of his youth."

The stanzas of each of the two halves are united around the same subject, and we note an inner development in each of them. However, we are left with the question: What is the connection between the two halves of the psalm? Is there one single idea which the psalm as a whole is trying to express? In other words, is our psalm an integral whole? Is it built in a manner that serves to mold a single idea, or is it a composite of two independent parts under the same heading (“A Song of Degrees for Shlomo”), brought together for reasons which remain to be discovered?

The second obvious difficulty in our psalm concerns the words at the end of verse 2: “For to those who love Him He will give tranquility." Even on the level of literal meaning, the intention here is not clear: what is the meaning of the first word, “ken”? Does it mean “so”, or “such”, such hat this verse stands in comparison to something that appeared previously? If so – what, and what is the significance of the comparison? Or, perhaps “ken” means “indeed”? The word “shena” (tranquility) likewise presents some difficulty. Does this mean “rest” (‘shena’ spelled with a ‘heh’ at the end), as some of the earlier commentators suggest? If so, we must ask why the word here ends with an “alef." And what does the phrase mean, as a whole? Perhaps this word has some other meaning. If so – what is it?

The greatest difficulty here concerns the place of these words: Do they belong to the third stanza and the first part of the psalm?[4] This seems unlikely since, as we have pointed out, the atmosphere of the first half is negative, while these words – no matter how we interpret them – are unquestionably formulated in a positive manner. There is some sort of positive gift that God is bestowing on those who love Him. This being the case, perhaps these words are meant to serve as an introduction to the second half? The problem is that the subject of this half is the blessing of children that comes to man from God. The phrase in question seems to have nothing to do with this theme.

Since we are initially unable to decide where these words belong, we leave them for the meantime in a section of their own, in between the third and fourth stanzas – or, between the two halves of the psalm.

In the next shiurim we will attempt to analyze the psalm in an orderly manner, with the hope of finding answers to our questions above.

Translated by Kaeren Fish

[1] Aside from psalms 127 and 128, we may note the following examples: 1, (34), 37, 45, 49, (78), 112, 133. The chapters in parentheses are those which cannot be unequivocally categorized. In his book, “Sheki’ei Chokhma be-Sefer Tehillim” (Magnes, Jerusalem 5751), Prof. Avi Horwitz discusses the identification of “wisdom psalms” in Sefer Tehillim from a linguistic perspective. In the first chapter of his book he presents a critical review of the approaches proposed by scholars who preceded him in this field of inquiry, and of their scope. On p. 128 of his book he presents a synoptic table comparing ten different views, dating from the 1930’s until the present. The table shows that there is consensus among eight or more scholars concerning only five psalms: 1, 34, 37, 49, and 112. Some of the scholars identify as many as fourteen “psalms of wisdom”; others count a total that is much smaller (five or six).

The list of psalms at the beginning of this note does not follow any particular approach, nor have we involved ourselves deeply in the methodological question of identifying the “wisdom psalms”. Our criteria were, firstly, the “audience” to whom the psalm is addressed – God or man – and secondly, the content and style of the psalm.

The topic is itself worthy of thorough discussion, and I do not pretend to do it justice here. Therefore, the list here should be regarded as no more than an initial impression arising from these psalms.

It should further be noted that Psalm 91, which we analyzed in previous shiurim, also possesses some of the distinctive characteristics of a “wisdom psalm," and indeed one of the ten scholars included in Horwitz’s survey does include it in his list.

[2] In our analysis of Psalm 130 (mi-ma’amakim) we discussed the importance of presenting the psalms in Sefer Tehillim in a manner that highlights their lyrical character.

[3] “The bread of toil” (lechem ha-atzabim) means bread eaten in sorrow. The idea here is that the worker is so exhausted by his intensive and prolonged labor that he eats not in a relaxed frame of mind, but rather in sorrow. This hints to God’s words to Adam (Bereishit 3:17), “Cursed is the land because of you; you shall eat of it in sorrow (be-itzavon)," and further on (verse 19), “you shall eat bread by the sweat of your brow”. However, the meaning in our psalm is slightly different: here the verse is talking about the bread that accompanies man’s hard labor. We deduce this from the parallel between the words “mashkimei”/ ”me’acharei”/ ”ochlei," all of which describe human action and effort, not its results.

The words “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” will be discussed below.

“The children of one’s youth” means that children who are born to a person while he is still young. Similarly, “eshet ne’urim” means a woman whom a man marries in his youth.

[4] As we must conclude if the word ‘ken’ is understood to mean “thus” or “so”.

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/11tehillim.htm

Shiur #11: Psalm 127 - Continued

By Rav Elchanan Samet


(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo/Solomon:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



B. The parallel between stanzas a and b, and their hidden meaning


The first two stanzas of our psalm maintain a synonymous[1], direct[2], complete[3] parallel, as follows:

If God does not build a house its builders labor in vain.



If God does not guard a city the guard stays awake in vain.



There is a thematic development between the two hemistiches: the “city” is a collection of houses which have already been built and which now require security: they need a watchman.

In contrast to this broadening of the perspective in the second limb in relation to the first, we also find the opposite phenomenon: the building of the house, in the first limb, is carried out by a number of “builders," while the guarding of the city (with its many houses) is carried out by a single “guard." The reason for this linguistic difference would seem to be that the construction of a house does usually involve a number of workers (whether for the sake of finishing the work sooner or because a variety of artisans are needed for different tasks), whereas the city can be guarded by a single watchman looking out for approaching enemies from an observation post where he can see them while they are still far off and raise the alarm by sounding the shofar or by directly notifying the king.[4]

Is it the intention of these two stanzas to nullify the value of man’s efforts to build his house and to protect the security of his city? This cannot be possible; it would be an offense both to common sense and to the prevailing biblical view that a person must exert effort for the sake of securing his own existence.[5] Indeed, those among the early commentators who interpret our psalm in its general human context (and not in relation to the building of the Temple)[6] explain that it does not contradict common sense or the accepted biblical conventions concerning human effort. According to their interpretations, man’s own efforts are a necessary but insufficient condition, and in the absence of God’s hidden involvement, man’s efforts will not attain their objective.

Ibn Ezra explains:

Since (the verse) starts by mentioning building (of a house), which is a great need for people… and the meaning of (the words), “toil in vain” is – if God does not help them, or brings a strong wind that can destroy everything. Thus, (the verse) mentions the artisans – who are the builders, thereafter the watchmen of the building – who are the watchmen of the city… and then (in the third stanza), the merchants of the city.


The Meiri expresses the same idea somewhat more clearly:

(The psalm) says, as advice and guidance for people, that when they invest effort in their property, even though effort is good, one should not place one’s faith in his own efforts and not think, when he obtains his desire, that it was his effort that achieved this for him. Rather, everything is from the blessed God, and it is He Who inspired him to make the effort, and it is He Who brought him to achieve his desire. The Torah warns, in this regard (Devarim 8:17-18), “And you say in your heart, ‘My strength and the might of my hand have achieved all this wealth for me,’" up until “you shall remember the Lord your God, for is it He Who gives you strength to make wealth”.[7]

After completing his commentary on the first three stanzas of our psalm, he comes back to his original message:

And all of this (is meant) not to discourage one from investing effort – for you will find no wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth. Rather, (the message is that) one should not place all of his trust in it (i.e., human effort), and not believe, when he achieves (his aim), that he has achieved what he has by his own effort; rather, God has graciously given it to him.

Given the Meiri’s view that our psalm provides general moral and religious guidance for all people, it seems strange that the psalmist choose the negative formulation to teach this lesson (“Unless God builds a house…”), rather than a positive formulation (“Only if God…”). Hence, it would appear that our psalm is meant to serve as rebuke to people who act improperly and who believe that only through their own strength and might can they build themselves houses and cities[8], and ensure their own security and livelihood. It is to these people that the psalmist declares that their efforts will be in vain, for God will not look with favor upon their actions, and they will not last if they are contrary to God’s will.



(to be continued)

Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] A synonymous parallel is one where the two limbs express identical or similar content. The opposite of a synonymous parallel is a contrasting parallel, for example: “A wise son makes his father joyful, but a foolish son is the grief of his mother” (Mishlei 10:1).

The terminology used here represents a translation of that set down in an article by Batsheva Brosh, “Hora’at ha-Tikbolet be-Shira ha-Mikrait”, published in Al ha-Perek 1, 1984, pp. 51-61.

[2] A direct parallel is one where structurally the two limbs are set out in the same order. The opposite of a direct parallel is a chiastic parallel. These two terms have nothing to do with the content of the limbs in question: both a direct parallel and a chiastic parallel may be either synonymous or contrasting, in terms of content (see previous note).

[3] A complete parallel is where the same syntactical elements appear in both limbs. The opposite of a complete parallel is an incomplete parallel, where one of the limbs is missing some syntactical element which exists in the other limb, and this element must be added from one limb to the other (sometimes from the first limb to the second, at other times the other way around).

[4] An exact description of the role of the watchman is to be found in Yechezkel 33:1-6 (and further on, the role of the prophet is compared to that of the watchman). A description of the specific action performed by the watchman is to be found in Shmuel II 13:34, and in more detail in Shmuel II 18:24-27 and Melakhim II 9:17-20. In the three latter sources, the watchman fulfills his task by notifying the king of the approach of some (still distant) unidentified party. However, in each of these cases it turns out that the party in question is not an enemy coming to conquer the city.

Since the action of the watchman is not connected to physical activity, like that of the builders of the house, the word “bo” is absent from the second limb of the parallel.

[5] The sources cited in the previous note suffice to show that guarding the city is regarded as an absolute obligation, and that anyone who is negligent in this regard is fully responsible for the consequences (see the description of the watchman in Yechezkel 33).

Similarly, a person’s obligation to work for his livelihood is likewise clear in Tanakh. For example, Tehillim 104:23: “Man goes out to his work and to his labor until evening.”

In Sefer Mishlei we find many recommendations for significant human effort and conscientiousness in work for the sake of making a living (as we will discuss further on), but concerning a person’s home we read in Kohelet 10:18 – “From sloth the beams collapse, and through idleness of the hands the house leaks”.

This subject is addressed at length (including a discussion of our psalm) in a book by Dr. Amos Frisch, “Yegi’a Kapecha – Yachas ha-Mikra el ha-Avoda”, Ha-Kibbutz ha-Me’uchad, 5759.

[6] Most of the commentators explain this psalm, taking a cue from its introductory words, as referring to the building of the Temple, whether by David – who exerted considerable effort but was unsuccessful, or by Shlomo – who finally did built it. Some of these commentators go on to explain it as referring to “people of the world” – i.e., they regard it as a “psalm of wisdom” that imparts a lesson to all of mankind. We will adopt this view in our study of the psalm.

[7] It would seem that the Meiri cites the verses here from his memory. He misquotes verse 18 slightly; I have cited the correct version of the verse.

[8] I am reminded of the builders of the Tower of Bavel, who said (Bereishit 11:4), “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower…”. They disregarded the message of our psalm, concerned only with their own strength and their name. However, God “did not build” the city and the tower, but sought to halt their construction, and therefore (verse “God dispersed them from there over all of the face of the earth, and they ceased to build the city.”

Shiur #12: Psalm 127 - Continued

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/12tehillim.htm

By Rav Elchanan Samet

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



C. Stanza 3 in comparison with its predecessors



The third stanza differs from its predecessors in several respects. Firstly, it lacks the negative conditional clause – “If God does not…." This could convey the impression that awakening early and settling late are negative in and of themselves, independently of the question of God’s partnership in the efforts of those who conduct themselves in this way.



Secondly, while both of the previous stanzas speak in the third person of people who exert effort in vain, here we find that the psalmist addresses them directly, in the second person: “It is vain for you…."



Thirdly, while the “vain” action in each of the previous stanzas was a single activity (building, guarding), described in a single line of poetry, the third stanza offers three different vain activities (arising early, settling late, eating), all carried out for a single purpose – apparently, to make a living – but this purpose is not mentioned in the text.[1] This stanza therefore consists entirely of the three actions whose heading is, “in vain."



We must now ask, does the third stanza represent a smooth thematic continuation of its predecessors, or do the differences between them indicate that some new point is being made here?



Notwithstanding the differences set forth above, there are several decisive factors that place the third stanza as an unbroken continuation.



Firstly, the appearance of the word “shav” (“in vain”) at the outset represents the third repetition of this word, after it has appeared in each of the two previous stanzas. Apparently, the intention here is as it was in the previous stanzas: “There is no value to your actions unless God is party to them.”



Secondly, the types of human activity addressed previously – the building of a house and the guarding of a city – illustrate two typical areas of human existential endeavor: finding shelter and ensuring security. The third stanza seems to complement these by presenting another – even more prominent – typical existential area of effort: economic viability.



The three stanzas would therefore appear to represent a single idea that is broken down into three examples. It is therefore not reasonable to posit that the third stanza comes to present a new idea, different from the one expressed in the first two, without explaining its meaning.



What, then, is the meaning of the differences between the third stanza and its predecessors?



Let us first address the matter of the missing condition: “Unless God…." For this purpose we must go back to the parallel nature of the stanzas.



The third stanza itself is built as a parallel with three limbs.[2] Is there also a parallel between the third stanza and the previous two? (We have already seen that the first two stanzas maintain a clear parallel.)



The answer would seem to be clearly in the affirmative. The third stanza is a parallel in synonymous, chiastic, incomplete[3] form, as follows:



Stanzas a,b: If God does not…. … in vain





Stanza c: It is vain for you --



Considering that the third stanza parallels the previous stanzas in terms of content (hence our definition of this as a “synonymous parallel”), we must ask why its structure is different (bringing the consequence to the beginning of the sentence, and thereby producing a chiastic parallel), and why this stanza is lacking a part, requiring the intuition of its complement on the basis of the two previous stanzas (hence the definition as an “incomplete parallel”).



The answer to these questions is that all of the changes characterizing stanza c. in relation to its predecessors arise from the fact that this stanza concludes the first section of the psalm. I shall presently explain what this means.



When a chiastic parallel follows a direct one, it is often meant to “wrap up” the statement that is being made. As in many other instances in Tanakh, the chiasm here expresses conclusion and confirmation.[4] The third stanza concludes the first section of the psalm, and is therefore presented as a chiastic parallel to the two preceding stanzas.



The fact that the parallel is incomplete arises from the length of the description, in this stanza, of actions that are “vain”: there is an enumeration of three actions instead of a single one as in the previous stanzas. Thus, the number of words in this stanza (9) is equal to the number in the previous stanzas. Had the conditional clause (“Unless God…”) been added here, the quantitative balance would have been lost, with the consequent implications for the rhythm which would have been similarly affected – along with aesthetic considerations.[5]



However, we may ask: why does the third stanza need to enumerate three different activities that are undertaken “in vain”, rather than sufficing with just one? The answer is, once again, that since this stanza “sums up” the message of the first part of the psalm, the idea of “vanity” is expressed here with greater intensity and with greater variation – and hence, necessarily, at greater length. I will explain this further.



We have already hinted above that the example of human effort in the quest for existential needs that is discussed in this third stanza – the toil to ensure economic viability, to obtain sustenance – is a more obvious example than either of the two preceding ones. Why is this so?



The building of a house lasts for a limited time. When the action is complete, the house stands firm, and its inhabitant has satisfied his existential need for shelter.

The guarding of a city, in contrast, is an action that continues – every day and every night. However, this action is not one that every person engages in. The city guards are a small, defined group of people for whom guarding is a permanent, professional occupation. Furthermore, while guarding the city is unquestionably a position of great responsibility, it does not involve much physical effort – unlike many other human endeavors (such as building a house).



In a league of its own is the Sisyphean effort to make a living. This ongoing effort is the lot of every person, for all of his life. It requires that a person devote his days, from early in the morning until the evening, to hard work involving physical and mental exertion.



Thus, the message here is that it is not only the relatively brief endeavors (such as building a house) or professional specializations (like guarding) whose success depends on Divine involvement and help, but also – and especially – the endeavor that is most characteristic of the human condition, and the most demanding: making a living.



In light of this, the third stanza represents the most intensive expression of the idea set forth in the first part of the psalm. This also explains the extra enumeration of actions that are carried out “in vain” in this stanza – with ramifications for its structure and its parallel relationship with its predecessors.



The third stanza involves one further development: the psalmist addresses the people toiling to earn their bread in the second person: “It is vain for you…." This technique serves to intensify the tone of reproof that was already hinted at in the previous stanzas.



Previously, we noted that the formulation of the moral, religious message of our psalm in the negative (“Unless God builds… in vain”) alludes to the Divine retribution awaiting builders of the house and guards of the city who are not worthy of Divine partnership in their actions, and who will therefore see no success in their endeavors.



This note of rebuke becomes more tangible when the psalmist addresses people directly. The actions of these people, toiling endlessly to obtain sustenance, will not achieve anything if they are not blessed by God.



Thus, despite the differences between the third stanza and the two preceding ones – and by means of those differences – the third stanza turns out to represent a continuation and development of the same idea that they introduced.



(to be continued)



Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] The reason for its absence would seem to arise from the first difference that we noted above between the third stanza and the first two: previously, the purpose of the human activity – the building of the house or the guarding of the city – was noted in the conditional clause. However, since no conditional clause exists in the third stanza, there is no mention of the purpose of the activity that is carried out “in vain”, and we must conclude this from the nature of the activity that is described. Had some conditional clause existed here, the verse would read, “If God does not provide food”, or the suchlike.

[2] The parallel here is synonymous, direct, and incomplete (see the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms), as follows:

“It is vain for you to rise up early

to settle late

to eat the bread of toil.”

While the third stanza is not a complete parallel with the previous ones, it nevertheless expresses the same idea and with a similar word order.

[3] See the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms.

[4] As discussed at length and in detail by A. Mirsky z”l in his work, “Ha-Pissuk shel ha-Signon ha-Ivri” (First Edition, Mossad ha-Rav Kook, Jerusalem 5738; Second Edition published as “Signon Ivri,” Jerusalem 5759). Just two of the many examples that he cites are Tehillim 115:5-7 and 22:24.

[5] The first three stanzas, comprising the first part of the psalm, are all of about the same length – 8-9 words. The length of the four stanzas comprising the second part are likewise of similar length – 6-7 words. To illustrate the literary reason for the difference in the parallel that appears in the third stanza, let us imagine how the text would read had the direct and complete parallel continued into this stanza:

“Unless God builds a house its builders toil in vain.

Unless God guards a city the guard watches in vain.

Unless God grows bread those who awaken early and settle late do so in vain; those who work the ground eat the bread of toil.”

While the idea is expressed here more clearly than it is in the psalm as we have it, there can be no question that the literary and musical appeal is gone, and thus the whole moral and thematic power is lost

D. “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” – the conventional interpretation and its difficulties



We now come to the most problematic verse in our psalm: “For to His beloved He gives tranquility." The English translation here is just one of several possibilities; the literal meaning of the verse is not clear, and its connection with the preceding and following verses likewise demands some explanation.



The classical commentators, along with most modern scholars, understand the word “shena” (which we have translated thus far as “tranquility”) as though it ended with a ‘heh’ instead of an ‘alef’ – in other words, “sleep." This interpretation serves to link this phrase with the preceding stanza, which spoke about people who arise early in the morning and settle to sleep late, all because of their work. Our verse depicts a contrasting picture of God granting to “His beloved” the “sleep” that they need. What is the significance of this contrast?



1. Rabbi Menachem ha-Meiri



The Meiri provides the following explanation of the contrast between the third stanza and the phrase that follows it:[1]



“It is vain for you to awaken early” – for work; “to settle late” – meaning, you people who engage in work from early in the morning and who continue to engage in it until it is already nearly night, to the point where you eat your bread in sadness and toil.



“Thus” – meaning, all that you earn with all of your efforts and toil

“He gives to His beloved” – meaning, whomever He desires

“at rest” – meaning, while they are in a state of rest rather than in toil.”



Let us analyze this interpretation more closely. The Meiri understands the first word of the phrase, “khen," as an association – “thus." The association is to the profit which the workers referred to in the previous stanza obtain through their strenuous efforts.



This interpretation presents difficulties in terms of both style and content. Stylistically, we note that there is actually no mention of any profit in the third stanza.[2] How can our verse allude to something that was not previously stated?



In terms of content, the labor of the workers in the third stanza is described as being “in vain” – i.e., there is no point to it. Thus, the third stanza negates the value of any profit earned by these workers. How, then, can the psalm go on to promise this same doubtful, “vain” profit, to God’s “beloved," whom He desires?



Let us analyze further the words of the Meiri. He explains “shena” (in the sense of “sleep” or “rest”) not as the object that God gives as a gift to His beloved, but rather as a description of the way in which God gives His gift to His beloved. However, to achieve this meaning the Meiri is forced to add the letter ‘bet’ at the beginning of the word “shena” – “be-shena." In other words, God’s beloved will receive His gift while in a state of sleep or rest.



Aside from the linguistic problem of adding a prefix to the word, the interpretation of the Meiri is quite audacious in terms of its message. According to his explanation, our psalm nullifies the value of human action and the need for human effort, declaring that there is no need for them: whoever is beloved by God can lie upon his bed, while other people – of lesser spiritual nobility – are out working from early morning until night, and God will take care of his sustenance and ensure his livelihood even while he himself sleeps!



If this is the intention of the third stanza, we must revisit the first and second stanzas and view them in the same light: there is no need for the builders of a house to invest all their efforts, nor for the watchman to remain alert. All of these people can simply sleep in their beds, while God will take care of building the house and guarding the city – if they are worthy of His gift. If they are not worthy, then their efforts will in any case be “in vain."[3]



We have already discussed this possible interpretation, concluding that it goes against common sense and intuition, as well as against the ubiquitous biblical acknowledgment of the need for human effort. (In fact, as cited in the first shiur on this psalm, the Meiri himself is a most vociferous opponent of such an outlook!)



Indeed, the Meiri senses the problematic nature of his explanation and tries to offset it, in two ways. First – exegetically: he interprets the word “shena” not in the literal sense, but rather as “in a state of rest, rather than in toil." In other words, even God’s beloved is required to exert effort and to work, but in moderation. He will not arise early nor toil until late, but God will ensure him profit equal to that achieved through hard labor on the part of one who is not God’s beloved.



However, we must question this interpretation of the word “shena," which unquestionably denotes a state of passivity; it is not a word that is suited to describe moderate work.[4]

The second method that the Meiri adopts to dispel the “mistaken interpretation” is his insertion of a brief note at the end of his commentary on verse 2 (cited in full in a previous shiur): “All of this is meant not to discourage effort, for you will not find a single wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth...”

However, the Meiri’s apologetic efforts serve only to highlight the ideological difficulty of the verse as it stands, according to his interpretation. In any event, as discussed above, his interpretation seems forced in several respects.

2. Amos Chakham, “Da’at Mikra” commentary

Amos Chakham offers a slightly different interpretation of the phrase in question:

“Khen” (indeed) – for reinforcement. The matter is true.

“He gives rest to His beloved” – God gives sleep to his beloved, and does not require him to remain awake for long hours, for He blesses the work of his hands, and he has time to sleep as much as he needs and to work enough to ensure his sustenance.”

From the point of view of linguistics, this interpretation avoids the pitfalls discussed above in relation to the Meiri,[5] while in terms of content the two explanations are rather similar.

However, this explanation presents a new difficulty, which Chakham addresses (ibid., n. 4):

“In the Proverbs of Shlomo there are many warnings against excessive sleep, which causes man to neglect his work. For example (Mishlei 6:9), “For how long will you sleep, O sluggard; when will you arise from your sleep?”;[6] (Mishlei 20:13), “Do not love sleep, lest you become impoverished; open your eyes and you will be satisfied with bread." This verse seems to be saying the very opposite of our psalm: “Those who eat the bread of toil – thus shall He give to His beloved (in) tranquility."”[7]

He answers as follows:

“However, in truth the messages are compatible. What they mean is that one should sleep in the measure needed for a person’s health. Concerning one who adds (sleep) to this, it is written, “Do not love sleep...," while concerning one who subtracts from it, it says, “It is vain for you to awaken early… for He shall give to His beloved tranquility." This wise man means to say… that a person should not exceed the proper measure: sloth is an evil trait; in contrast, industriousness is a trait that is praiseworthy, but a person who is excessively conscientious in his work and consumes all his bodily strength with his hard labor, is not counted as one who is diligent and praiseworthy, but rather among the scorned who “eat the bread of toil."”

The contradiction between our psalm and Sefer Mishlei concerning the relationship between diligence and sleep is resolved by proposing that Mishlei refers to a person who sleeps too much and works too little, while Tehillim describes the opposite phenomenon – those who sleep too little and work too much. Both earn disapproval.

However, according to Chakham’s explanation, the subject of the third stanza has imperceptibly been altered, and is no longer the same message that was addressed in the first two stanzas. There, the psalmist was not talking about the proper ratio of hard work to sleep and rest. While this is an important subject in its own right, and certainly worthy of being addressed in the “wisdom literature," it is not the subject of our psalm. Our psalm is discussing the relationship between human effort and God’s involvement and partnership in those efforts. It comes to teach us that if God is not party to man’s initiatives, none of his labor will amount to anything.

In the previous shiur we took pains to show that this is also the subject of the third stanza, which we showed to be a continuation of its predecessors: “It is vain for you, who arise early...” is not a rebuke of people who invest too much time and effort in their hard labor, but rather a rebuke directed towards those who believe that their sustenance is dependence solely on their work, with no understanding that without God’s will to provide them with bread, their efforts will be in vain.[8] This understanding arises both from the word “shav," which reappears (for the third time) at the beginning of the third stanza and – apparently – with the same meaning as in the two previous stanzas, and from the literary parallel between the third stanza and the previous two.

What is it that causes Amos Chakham to “slip” into a different interpretation for the third stanza? The answer is, of course, the contrast between the praise of rest (in the verse, “So/thus shall He give rest to His beloved...”) and the denunciation of hard work (“It is vain for you, who arise early...”).

If his interpretation of the words, “Indeed, He shall give rest to His beloved," is correct, then his explanation of the previous stanza (c) makes sense. But the rest of this is a change of subject in the third stanza: instead of the religious message with which the psalm begins, the third stanza presents practical guidance as to the proper balance between work and rest!

All of this leads us to seek a new and different interpretation of the phrase in question.
[1] Rabbi Yishayahu Detrani preceded the Meiri with a similar explanation, but the Meiri is easier to understand.

[2] Unless we posit that the “bread of toil” is itself the profit in question, instead of our assumption that the eating of the bread in such oppressive conditions is part of the description of the efforts expended by those who toil in vain.

[3] While there are certainly some religious approaches that support such a view – including among Jews – it would certainly be quite astonishing to find such extreme expression of such a view in one of the psalms of Sefer Tehillim!

[4] We might explain, based on the Meiri (and perhaps this is his intention) that the “shena” that is referred to is at the appropriate times – i.e., from the beginning of the night to the end of the night, times which the workers referred to previously would spend in their labors (arising early, before the dawn, and returning late, after nightfall). The beloved of God, according to this view, need toil only during the hours reasonably suited for work, and sleep at night, and God will nevertheless provide full profit. (This is closer to the interpretation proposed by R. Yishayahu Detrani.) The problem with this explanation arises when we compare the “praise of sleep” with the lessons conveyed in Sefer Mishlei – see below.

[5] The word “khen” is not understood as an allusion or association with something else. We note that there is some question as to his interpretation of the word in the sense of “indeed," since if this were the intention, the word order should rather have been, “Indeed, He gives sleep…” (khen, yiten li-yedido shena).

[6] The verse continues: “A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of hands to retire” – meaning, if a lazy person tells himself that he wants just “a little sleep," etc., then “so your poverty will come like a marauder and your want (will proceed before you) like an armed man”. The same message is repeated again in Mishlei 24:33-34.

[7] What Chakham is saying is that in Mishlei, sleep is a contrast to being satisfied with bread, while in our psalm it is the getting up early that turns the bread into “bread of toil," while one who sleeps long will eat bread in tranquility.

[8] Thus, there is no contradiction of the messages in praise of diligence and conscientiousness in Sefer Mishlei. Even from our psalm one might conclude that if God gives a person sustenance, then it is proper that he arise early and labor until late, just as it is proper for builders to toil over building a house, and for the watchman to remain alert at his watch.

capiche?

The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY

Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.

58 comments on this story

Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing

...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!


Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.

Picture: AFP Read More
Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.", is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence, "they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...





WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#

An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.

''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.

''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?

''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''

Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/middle-east-protests/

German economy to slow next year - panel

And remember,
there are MORE GERMANS LEAVING GERMANY,
that Foreigners swarming in...AND,
Australia has ONLY sent
100 of 1370 ILLEGAL GERMAN'S IN OZion
(to 30 June 2010), BACK TO GERMANY...
but then with so many GERMAN WW2 POW's,
sent here and being allowed to stay 'as' OZion's citizens
IN THIS LAND THEY PLAN TO TAKE FOR THEMSELVES,
and like so many of Their EUROPEAN Allies, LOOKING and
SPEAKING "like us", it's so easy for them to be hidden
amongst us...to "DISAPPEAR" WHILE AMONGST US...

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

barnacle bill wrote:You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context.

There, I fixed "your" quote. Lets not confuse folk about who the angry, ranting drunken bitches are ...now, back to my quotes, and reply, IN CONTEXT
Don't "you" have someone other than "yourself"
to SPAM "YOUR" LONG AGO DEBUNKED LIES AT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that ALL "YOUR" LIES
ARE EXPOSED, BY, "YOUR" REFUSAL TO ACCEPT that when
GOD SAID, "FROM THE BEGINNING", that IS WHAT HE MEANT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that there is no free and
open church, teaching that what is described in Holy Scripture,
is supported by the recent discoveries of science?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to cause honest people to ask,
"WHY IS THAT SO?", AND SO, CAUSE them to DISCOVER
THE ANSWER, FOR THEMSELVES?

true lilly wrote:Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...

...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...

...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.

SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots




The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.

58 comments on this story

Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing

...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!


Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.

Picture: AFP Read More
Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.", is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence, "they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...





WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#

An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.

''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.

''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?

''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''

Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/middle-east-protests/

true
lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.

I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:

barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.

See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.

Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.

SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.

P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.

Thousands of migrants 'disappear' in cities under new official system
By Steve Doughty
Last updated at 2:17 AM on 21st November 2011

Hundreds of thousands of migrants have ‘disappeared’ at the stroke of a pen under a new official counting system.

The method has led to apparent large falls in the numbers of migrants thought to live in London and other major cities.

The change has provoked fury among council leaders who say the immigrant populations
of their districts have been grossly underestimated by government statisticians.


Migrants 'disappear': London, Manchester, Bristol, Cambridge and Oxford
are among cities who have had 'large downward revisions' from
the new counting method

Westminster and Kensington in London, Manchester, Bristol, Oxford and Cambridge
are among places thought to have had their estimated populations reduced
by many thousands by the Office for National Statistics.

Colin Barrow, Tory leader of Westminster, said: ‘After four years of work
supposedly improving migration estimates, the ONS apparently still has
little idea how many migrants are in this country or where they live and
work.

‘Our incoming migrant population appears to have dropped by 17 per cent over four
years; you only have to go out into the bars and restaurants in the West End to see
that migrants come to Westminster to live and work in much greater numbers than this.’

More...

• Foreign criminals are 'building a network of children' to stay in the UK, Home Office warns
  
• Firms who take on British teenagers instead of migrant workers should be given subsidies, says head of CBI
  

More than nine out of ten migrants to the UK live in England,
which has become the sixth most crowded major country in the world,
the MigrationWatch think-tank said last week.

Last year net migration was 239,000.

The new estimates method, to be used from next year onwards, uses the same source
of immigration statistics the ONS has always used. This is the
International Passenger Survey, a check on intentions of arrivals at air
and sea ports and on the Eurostar.

From this researchers use a complex formula, based on other official population
databases, to estimate the number of yearly arrivals.

Under the new method, this formula has been tweaked, resulting in changes to
the estimated numbers arriving at certain towns and cities.


Only 4,000?
The new estimate pins the number of migrants in 2009 in Westminster
to just 4,000.
Tory leader Colin Barrow finds this seriously questionable.

Some have fallen while others have risen, but the total remains unchanged.

Westminster’s migrant population has been reduced by 10,000, and Manchester’s and
Bristol’s each by 30,000. According to ONS briefing papers, Kensington and Chelsea,
Oxford and Cambridge have had ‘quite large downward revisions’.

Mr Barrow said: ‘We would seriously question the estimate that fewer than 4,000
migrants came to Westminster in the 2009 financial year to seek work.

'We have seen more people registering with doctors and paying council tax in
Westminster, so we fail to understand how the government statisticians can be so wrong.’

Councils can lose millions in Treasury grants if Whitehall cuts their population estimates.

The ONS was scheduled to publish papers about the new migration counting
system last week, but failed to do so. Some places are said to show a
higher count, such as Newham, East London, with a 13 per cent increase.

The ONS declined to comment yesterday.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064087/Migrants-disappear-Thousands-migrants-counted-cities-new-official-system.html#ixzz1eJCwqHiG

And now, after 16 YEARS of SCATTERING, MIXING, MINGLING,
AND LOSING, SELF CONFESSED ANTI CHRISTS, ALL OVER what
remained of (once civil), Christian Faith Based, European Nations,
that NOW HAVE FELLOW COUNTRYMEN ATTACKING EACH OTHER,
The FOREWARNED, Closing of Boarders, BEGINS...!!!...while,
"Those" SAME ANTI CHRISTS KEEP DEMANDING that
WE LETS THEM FLOOD UNCONTROLLED INTO AUSTRALIA!!!

"Sorry. We don't know where your cat is"




EU moves to end
passport-free Schengen travel
The European Union has moved toward
reversing passport free travel
across the
continent
amid fears of a wave of migrants
fleeing unrest in north Africa.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8511019/EU-moves-to-end-passport-free-Schengen-travel.html

no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar......

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.

What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?





lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.

That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.

You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.

You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.

ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.

Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.

Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?

The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html



Counting Backwards from Now

60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia

1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth.


4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!


The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe

The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.

Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.

That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted...

Twenty police injured in nuke protest

AP
GERMAN police say
20 policemen were injured
during clashes with protesters
ahead of the arrival of
a shipment of nuclear waste.

true lilly wrote:Nuclear waste train heads into Germany
From:AFP
November 25, 2011 9:45PM
Last Updated: November 26, 2011

THE last train carrying reprocessed nuclear waste back from France
to Germany crossed the border today after being delayed by
demonstrations and steamed towards more trouble.

The train, carrying 11 wagonloads of vitrified radioactive material,
left a siding in the station of Remilly, just outside the town of Metz
and around 30km from the German border, at 7pm (AEDT).

Several hundred French riot police had protected the train overnight, and
around 60 German officers and a French "RAID" team - a SWAT-style
special weapons squad - were on board as it resumed its journey.

The train had left a yard operated by the French nuclear giant Areva in
Valognes, in Normandy, on Wednesday, due to travel more than 1100km
across France and through Germany to the waste dump in Gorleben.

But violent anti-nuclear protests delayed its journey, and authorities
halted it overnight while trying to keep demonstrators guessing about
its eventual route across the border and back into Germany.

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Today, it finally crossed the frontier in the border town of Forbach, just south of Saarbrucken, and entered Germany.

Last November a similar controversial shipment took 91 hours to arrive at
its final destination - a day longer than planned - and it was dogged
the length of the route by French and then German protesters.

Around 50,000 activists turned out in Germany to try to disrupt the train
during that transfer, and protest organisers expect 20,000 to demonstrate
against the convoy as it nears the central town of Gorlebenlater on Friday.

Some 19,000 German officers have been deployed, and tear gas and water canon
were fired when clashes erupted overnight when a few hundred protesters tried
to block the line around 20km outside Gorleben.

Spooked by Japan's Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its
use
of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice
of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.

Anti-nuclear activists want France to follow suit and shut its reactors, an idea
firmly dismissed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose government believes
French industry is reliant on cheap nuclear-generated electricity.

There has long been widespread public opposition in Germany to nuclear power,
which environmentalists believe presents an unacceptable radioactive threat
to public health and the environment.

In March, the Japanese nuclear plant at Fukushima Daiichi was hit by an earthquake
and a tsunami, triggering a meltdown and massive radiation leak - and increasing
worldwide concerns over nuclear power.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government agreed to halt German reactors by 2022,
forcing energy suppliers to close plants and levying a tax on fuel.

In the meantime, Germany will no longer send nuclear waste for
reprocessing in France, but will instead stockpile it until a way is
found to make it safe.

France produces 75 per cent of its electricity needs in nuclear plants - a
higher proportion than any other country - and its electricity bills are around
25 per cent cheaper than in its neighbours, a boon to industry.

German protesters are angry that Merkel's announced nuclear phase-out will
take another decade, and that there is still no permanent storage site for the waste generated in the country's reactors.

German mother
gives birth to gigantic baby,
names him 'Jihad'

Mother Elfi holds her son Jihad at Charit Campus hospital in Berlin.
Picture: AP Sunday Herald Sun

AN obese German mother gave birth to a gigantic baby boy
without the help of a C-section, and named him
"Jihad."
The newborn -- the mother's 14th -- weighed in at 5.9kg
25 November 2011
Last updated at 21:08 GMT

Belgium credit rating downgraded by S&P

S&P says it considers Belgian government debt
to be at "high levels"

Belgium has had its credit rating downgraded by ratings agency Standard & Poor's.

The country's downgrade could make it more expensive for Belgium to borrow in future.

Belgium's rating was cut by one notch, to AA from AA+, with S&P expressing concerns about funding and market pressures.

The move comes as the eurozone crisis threatens to keep growing, and with continued concerns over Italian debt.

"We think the Belgian government's capacity to prevent an
increase in general government debt, which we consider to be already at
high levels, is being constrained by rapid private sector deleveraging
both in Belgium and among many of Belgium's key trading partners,"
S&P said in a statement.

It also said the outlook was "negative",
meaning Belgium's rating could possibly be cut further in future.

"We need a reply that is clear and credible
if we are to avoid the worst,"
Belgium's caretaker prime minister, Yves Leterme, told
Belgian television after S&P's announcement.

Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant,
Prince of Belgium
(French: Philippe Léopold Louis Marie,
Dutch: Filip(s) Leopold Lodewijk Maria;
born 15 April 1960),
is the eldest son and heir apparent of
Albert II, King of the Belgians and Queen Paola.

House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

The Duke of Brabant
at World Economic Forum in 2010

His godparents were his paternal grandfather,
King Leopold III of the Belgians,
and his maternal grandmother
Donna Luisa, Princess Ruffo di Calabria.

Spouse
Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
daughter of a Walloon Belgian noble family
and female line descendant of Polish noble families
such as the Princes Sapieha,
on 4 December 1999 in Brussels,
civilly at the Brussels Town Hall and
religiously at the Cathedral of Saint Michel in Brussels.

They have four children:

• Princess Elisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, born 25 October 2001
  
• Prince Gabriel Baudouin Charles Marie, born 20 August 2003
  
• Prince Emmanuel Léopold Guillaume François Marie, born 4 October 2005
  
• Princess Eléonore Fabiola Victoria Anne Marie, born 16 April 2008
  

Prince Philippe was educated at the Belgian Royal Military School.
From 1978 to 1981 he continued his education
at Oxford University's Trinity College.
He attended Graduate School at Stanford University, California,
where he graduated in 1985 with an MA degree in Political Science.

Greater Coat of Arms of Belgium


Personal Standard of King Albert II.
Albert II

King of the Belgians

King Albert II and Queen Paola with
US President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush
at the Royal Palace in Brussels in 2005.

King Albert II with Queen Paola,
and other royals and Heads of state,
at the funeral of Pope John Paul II.

Yves Leterme
Prime Minister of Belgium

Incumbent

Assumed office 25 November 2009

Monarch: Albert II

Private life and hobbies
Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of goats.

He breeds goats in his private time
in the small farm where he lives.

In November 2010 the Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad
had some more news about Yves' favorite animals:
two of his favorite goats, named Trudy and Vicky,
were to appear in a play by the local theatre society of Ypres.
The play is called 'Island of the goats'.
In an interview Yves called goats "The poor man's cow."


Ray:
Ken, I grew up in Dublin. I love Dublin.
If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me
but I didn't, so it doesn't.

Ray:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have the good
sense not to... hang on.

Is Belgium with all those child abuse murders
lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.

What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.



Harry:
Not only have you refused to kill the boy,
you even stopped the boy from
killing himself,
which would've solved my problem,
which would've
solved your problem,
which sounds like it would've solved the boy's problem.
Ken:
It wouldn't have solved his problem.
Harry:
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise,
I wouldn't have thought twice.
I'd killed myself on the fucking spot.
On the fucking spot.
I would've stuck the gun in me mouth.
On the fucking spot!

Ray:
Maybe that's what hell is,
the entire rest of eternity spent in fucking Bruges.

Belgian parties reach 2012 budget deal
by:By Roddy Thomson
From:AAP
November 27, 2011 1:00AM

BELGIAN politicians reached a deal on the 2012 budget today,
ending a 19-month deadlock that had prevented the formation
of a stable government and led to a debt downgrade,
a negotiator said.

"There is an agreement," said a spokesman for the French-speaking socialists,
one of six parties in the linguistically-divided country that had been struggling
to reconcile spending cuts with tax rises.

The accord, reached after 17 hours of negotiations, opens the way to
forming a new government after 19 months in caretaker management.

Friday night's downgrade by ratings giant Standard and Poor's, which saw
Belgium drop by one notch to AA, piled pressure on the parties to
reconcile spending cuts with tax rises to avoid EU penalties next month.

Internal pressure, though, was at least matched by external strains among wider
eurozone leaders, two weeks from a crunch summit dogged by mounting doubts
over their ability to resolve the debt crisis.

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With a national debt worth almost one year's economic output, which
threatens to crush the country with the onset of recession, outgoing
Prime Minister Yves Leterme had made it clear he feared a rout
when markets reopen on Monday if a way forward was not agreed.

"It is blindingly obvious, we have to send a very clear signal... preferably
before the markets open," Mr Leterme had said in a live national
television interview before a shocked Belgian people.

The parties had to work out how to trim 11.3 billion euros ($15.58 billion)
off the deficit next year and about 20 billion euros ($27.58 billion) in all
by 2015.

The ultimatum came days after Mr Leterme's expected successor,
Elio Di Rupo, offered his resignation to Belgium's king,
frustrated at the failure of six-party talks to agree on a
deficit-cutting 2012 budget to avoid EU sanctions.

Albert II rejected the offer and sent Di Rupo back to work.

The ratings blow underlined a sharp escalation of the debt crisis
in a week in which even Germany struggled to raise finance.

Concern is growing that the euro currency, in the absence of
radical pan-eurozone action, is close to breaking point.

"The ability of authorities to respond to potential economic pressures from
inside and outside of Belgium... in our opinion is constrained by the
repeated failure of attempts to form a new government," the S&P
statement said.

After Greek, Portuguese and Irish bailouts, and
with Italy, Spain and France now under pressure,
it was more bad news for leaders struggling
in the absence of a European Central Bank
decision to mount a gigantic financial rescue.

The European Commission has repeatedly urged Belgium
to bring its public deficit below 3.0 per cent of GDP by 2012 -
or face a fine of about half a billion euros.

Finance Minister Didier Reynders blamed the downgrade on a
"global loss of confidence" in eurozone public finances,
while insisting that Belgium's creditworthiness remained
"one of the strongest in Europe".

Analysts said the news had wider significance.

"Belgium is the symbolic buffer
between the eurozone periphery and its core,
so this is a sign that the crisis -
slowly, but surely -
is striking at the heart of Europe,"
Sony Kapoor, head of the Re-Define think tank, told AFP.
___________________________________________________

Tourist killed, 3 kidnapped in Mali
by:By Baba Ahmed in Bamako
From:AP
November 26, 2011 6:58AM

GUNMEN burst into a restaurant
in Mali's most famous city of Timbuktu overnight,
grabbed four tourists dining there and executed one
when he refused to climb into their truck,
said a witness and an official who inspected the body.
The armed men entered the Amanar restaurant around 2.30pm on Friday
local time and pointed their guns at four tourists dining inside, said
Moussa Boubacar, a client at the restaurant.

The four followed the gunmen outside, but when the gunmen tried to
make them enter a vehicle, one of the tourists refused, Boubacar said.

The kidnappers opened fire, killing him on the spot, Boubacar said.

Their nationalities could not immediately be confirmed, but witnesses describe them
as European.

Dramane Diallo, the regional director of Timbuktu's civil protection division,
said that he rushed to the scene and found the corpse of an elderly white man,
who locals said was the tourist that had refused to enter the car.

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• 32 of Gaddafi's inner circle in Niger The Australian, 13 Sep 2011
  
• Today's history on this day Herald Sun, 18 Aug 2011
  
• Twenty killed in al-Qaeda raid Herald Sun, 6 Jul 2011
  
• African al-Qaeda camp destroyed Herald Sun, 25 Jun 2011
  

Until a few years ago, Timbuktu was one of the most visited
destinations in Africa, but it is now one of the many former tourist
hotspots in Mali that have been deemed too dangerous to visit by foreign
embassies because of kidnappings by the local chapter of al-Qaeda.

The incident overnight comes after two French citizens were grabbed
in the middle of the night from their hotel in the Malian town of Hombori
on Thursday.

Neither kidnapping has yet been claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
or AQIM, whose members have kidnapped and ransomed over 50 Europeans and
Canadians since 2003.

If Friday's kidnapping is by AQIM, it will mark the first time they have taken
a hostage inside of Timbuktu's city limits. Thursday's kidnapping would be
another first - the first time they have grabbed their victim south of the Niger River.

The group's footprint has grown dramatically since 2006, when the Algerian-led cell
first joined al-Qaeda. Security experts estimate the group has been able to raise around $US130 million ($134.04 million) from ransom payments alone.

The extent of the Mali Empire's peak

"One people, one goal, one faith"
An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim
(mostly Sunni and Sufi),
approximately 5% are Christian
(about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant)
and the remaining 5% adhere to
indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.

Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians,
most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.

TWITTERING IDIOTS!!!

'China down'
Jon Huntsman said to "take China down"

Jon Huntsman : Take China down.

Huntsman, former US Ambassador to China,
made following comments in candidate debate :
......

So what should we be doing?
We should be reaching out to OUR ALLIES and
CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN CHINA.
They're called the young people.
They're called the internet generation.
There are 500 million internet users in China.
And 80 million bloggers.
And they are bringing about change,
the likes of which is gonna TAKE CHINA DOWN.
While we have an opportunity
to go up and win back
our economic manufacturing muscles.
Huntsman, China
_____________________________________________

Paul Twomey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul Twomey 2007

Paul Twomey
was the Chief Executive Officer and President of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) from March 2003 to June 2009.
ICANN is the chief rule-making body
for internet policy worldwide.

Following a private-sector role as
a consultant for McKinsey & Company,
Dr Twomey held executive positions
within the Australian Government's
foreign trade organisation Austrade.

His role there included working on
strategic development and European markets.

He was appointed Chief Executive Officer of the
National Office for the Information Economy
(NOIE) in 1997,
a Commonwealth Government unit
responsible for developing Internet policy.

His involvement with ICANN began at this time.
Subsequently he chaired the ICANN
Government Advisory Committee,^[1]
which served as the organisation's
liaison with world governments.

Following his departure from NOIE,
Dr Twomey created a consultancy
with Ira Magaziner
(Domestic Policy Adviser
to former US President Bill Clinton)
called Argo P@cific.^[2]

He continued to serve on the ICANN GAC until November 2002,
through an ongoing posting as external advisor to
Australia's Commonwealth Government.

Dr Twomey is a member of the
British-North American Committee.

He also serves on the board of directors of the
Atlantic Council of the United States
and chairs the World Economic Forum's
Global Agenda Council on the Future of the Internet.

He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from University of Queensland,
a Master of Arts from Pennsylvania State University
and a PhD from Cambridge University.

On 27 March 2003 he was elected to his current position at ICANN.

On 2 March 2009, during the opening ceremony of
ICANN's 34th international meeting in Mexico City,
Dr Twomey mentioned that he would be leaving ICANN in June
while remaining as Senior President until the end of the year.^[3]

His name has recently been mentioned in relation to
the Commonwealth Government's proposed
National Broadband Network.

true lilly wrote:'Not a matter of if, but when we find you'


HUNDREDS of tax dodgers caught and convicted
as the ATO warns:
"if you do the crime, you will face the consequences".

Vatican checked in laundering probe
From:AFP
November 27, 2011 3:19AM
Vatican probe:
The Vatican has been assessed to determine if it has tightened its regulations
to prevent money laundering.
Picture: Supplied Source: Supplied

COUNCIL of Europe inspectors have visited the Vatican to monitor its plans to tighten money laundering regulations.

The group from the Moneyval committee "met with representatives of
Vatican authorities dealing with the issue of prevention and fight
against money laundering and terrorist financing," a statement from the
Vatican said.

The group, composed of legal, financial and law enforcement experts
from five countries, arrived on Monday and left overnight, the statement said.

They are expected to present a report with their findings at a plenary session
of Moneyval "presumably in the middle of 2012," the Vatican said.

Pope Benedict XVI last December created a new financial authority
following an embarrassing investigation of Vatican bank officials by Italy.

The Vatican also approved a law from April imposing sentences of
up to 12 years in prison for money laundering
and 15 years for terrorist financing.

Related Coverage

• National threat from money launderers Courier Mail, 7 Nov 2011
  
• Ireland closes Vatican embassy Foundation, 4 Nov 2011
  
• Pope follows tricky interfaith path The Daily Telegraph, 26 Oct 2011
  
• Vaticans urges major economic reform Courier Mail, 24 Oct 2011
  
• Irish PM blasts Vatican over child abuse The Australian, 21 Jul 2011
  

In September last year,
Italian authorities launched an investigation into
and seized assets linked to
the Institute for Religious Works (IOR) -
the official name of the Vatican bank -
for alleged violation of money-laundering rules.

The Vatican has also been excluded from an international "white list"
of countries compliant with strict financial controls.
The new financial authority is aimed at
bringing the Holy See in line with new global standards.

el kabong wrote:Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland









This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche?

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia.



http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........



Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.




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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?



Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)

Great Post el kabong.

true lilly wrote:October 6
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For its use in Egypt, see 6th of October (disambiguation).

October 6 is the 279th day of the year (280th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 86 days remaining until the end of the year.

Contents[hide]

• 1 Events
  
• 2 Births
  
• 3 Deaths
  
• 4 Holidays and observances
  
• 5 External links
  

6th of October may refer to:

• October 6 is the 279th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar
  
• 6th of October Governorate Governorate in Egypt
  
• 6th October City, a capital of the 6th of October Governorate
  
• 6th October Bridge, an elevated highway in Cairo, Egypt
  
• Yom Kippur War, aka 6th of October war, a war between Egypt and Israel
  

oh wiki wiki woo woo's...why so desperate to be so desperately obvious...

Morocco Islamists win landmark election
by:By Henri Mamarbachi
From:AFP
November 27, 2011
2:42AM

Watch
Morocco Islamists win landmark election

Morocco's moderate Islamists have won the most seats
in a landmark parliamentary election.

MOROCCO'S moderate
Islamists have won the most seats in a landmark
parliamentary election,
the latest religious party to achieve
spectacular gains on the back of
the Arab Spring.

The Justice and Development Party (PJD) captured 80 seats in the
395-seat assembly, nearly double the 45 seats won by Prime Minister
Abbas el Fassi's Indpendence Party, Interior Minister Taib Cherkaoui
told a news conference on Saturday.

The win - the first parliamentary poll victory for the party -
comes just one month after
Islamists won Tunisia's post-revolution election and
days before their predicted surge in Egyptian polls.

According to the new constitution overwhelmingly approved in a July referendum,
King Mohammed VI must now pick the prime minister from the party which won
the most seats in parliament, instead of naming whomever he pleases.

The king, the latest scion of a monarchy that has ruled the country for
350 years, proposed changes to the constitution that curb some of his
near absolute powers as autocratic regimes toppled in nearby Tunisia,
Egypt, and Libya.

Related Coverage

• Egyptians tipped to turn on Islamists The Australian, 1 day ago
  
• Moroccan activists call for polls boycott The Daily Telegraph, 14 Nov 2011
  
• Islamist party sweeps Tunisian elections The Daily Telegraph, 28 Oct 2011
  
• Tunisian Islamists in power talks The Daily Telegraph, 26 Oct 2011
  
• Tunisia votes in first free election Foundation, 24 Oct 2011
  

Earlier on Saturday top PJD officials said their own figures showed
they had won over 100 seats in Friday's polls, the first since the
approval of the new constitution.

"We thank the Moroccans who voted for the PJD and we can only be satisfied,"
PJD secretary general Abdelilah Benkirane told reporters after the government
confirmed his party had won the most seats in the election.

He acknowledged his party would have to tailor its program to appease prospective
coalition partners and said
the PJD is "open to everyone" when it comes to forming alliances.

"The nub of our program and of those who
will govern with us will have a double axis,
democracy and good governance," he told the France 24 television channel.

"From now on, Moroccans will feel that the state is at their service
and not the other way about," Benkirane added.
"That is very important for us."

The PJD has gradually increased its share of the vote in Morocco,
seen as one of the most stable countries in the region.

After winning just eight seats in 1997, it surged in popularity,
scooping 42 seats in the 2002 election, the first of King Mohammed VI's reign.
It then increased its share in the last election in 2007
when it finished second with 47 seats.

The party focused at first on social issues, such as
opposition to summer music festivals and the sale of alcohol,
but has shifted to issues with broader voter appeal like the
fight against corruption and high unemployment.

During the current campaign it promised to cut poverty in half and raise the
minimum wage by 50 per cent.

Unlike the banned Islamist opposition group Justice and Charity,
the Justice and Development Party pledges its allegiance to the monarchy.

But Benkirane cuts a controversial figure for previously
derogatory comments about Berber people and homosexuals.

In 2010 he tried to ban a concert in Morocco
by the openly gay singer Elton John because of fears of
encouraging homosexuality.

The National Rally of Independents, the second-largest party in the
outgoing five-party government coalition, won 38 seats,
while the Party of Authenticity and Modernity,
founded in 2008 by people close to the king, got 33 seats.

So far only the Independence Party has said
it would be willing to govern with the Justice and Development Party.

The king proposed a new constitution on March 9, just 17 days after
thousands of people took to the streets across Morocco calling on him
to give up some of his powers in the biggest anti-establishment
protests in the country in decades.

Morocco's pro-reform February 20 protest movement, responsible for the protests,
had called on voters to boycott the elections. It says the constitutional reforms are
insufficient.

Voter turnout was 45.4 per cent, up from 37 per cent
from the last parliamentary election in 2007, but lower than the 51.6
per cent turnout recorded in 2002.

"This turnout, if confirmed, does not reflect enthusiasm for
the new constitution or political parties,"
said Haizam Amirah Fernandez, senior analyst for the Arab world
at Spanish think tank Real Instituto Elcano.

In all, 31 parties competed for the 395 seats in the lower house of parliament -
with 60 seats reserved for women
and 30 set aside for candidates under the age of 40.

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777197 divided by 62 = 12 535.4355
So, that's only about a quarter of the regular readers,
from when I was there to post GOOD NEWS to
counter Team Tintin's DEATH THREATS,
FAILED 'predictions'=PLOTS and BALD FACED LIES...

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Originally Posted by dixie d I'd imagine there will be something in this article... Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dies aged 56 56 is the Dailing code for Chile I was looking on the October 6 Wiki page and one that stands out is... dixie d wrote: The Jazz Singer It's difficult for me to get my head around what these articles mean.

dixie d wrote:And the point being?

I'd also say there is also a link to I Robot (film)
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"protecting" 'cori', I see, as usual....yes well, it is desperate...
Nurses gagged, afraid of management
'they' "TOUCH", for 'their' FINANCIAL Health...
WHO'S "WE", PALEFACE? CORI HAS ORDERED DEATH TO EVERYONE