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"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:42 am
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud,
EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
...so I find these two pieces of News, being on the same
Murdoch owned Front Page, interesting...so soon after
my warning posts,
of "tintin's" obsession with PLANE CRASHES...
Flight 523 from New York
had just landed safely in Guyana
when something suddenly went wrong.
Passengers shrieked as the plane sped up,
skidded off the runway and broke up
just short of a 60m ravine. Picture: AP
Read More
Tintin
Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson
give a sneak peek of their collaboration,
The Adventures of Tintin.
...actually, that front page (of Today's Herald Sun),
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/
is like reading a condensed version of my years of
posts of what to watch for, and take heed of...from
the above, to ZARA PHILLIPS, HENDRA VIRUS,
Another STATE LEADER 'stepping down', REFUGEE SWAPS,
TATTOOS & AUSSIE RULES & CRICKET...and an awful lot more.
But as it is on constant up-date, and my old p.c.
won't take screen shots, only the quick, and 'The Dead',
will see that to be so.
EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
...so I find these two pieces of News, being on the same
Murdoch owned Front Page, interesting...so soon after
my warning posts,
of "tintin's" obsession with PLANE CRASHES...
Flight 523 from New York
had just landed safely in Guyana
when something suddenly went wrong.
Passengers shrieked as the plane sped up,
skidded off the runway and broke up
just short of a 60m ravine. Picture: AP
Read More
Tintin
Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson
give a sneak peek of their collaboration,
The Adventures of Tintin.
...actually, that front page (of Today's Herald Sun),
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/
is like reading a condensed version of my years of
posts of what to watch for, and take heed of...from
the above, to ZARA PHILLIPS, HENDRA VIRUS,
Another STATE LEADER 'stepping down', REFUGEE SWAPS,
TATTOOS & AUSSIE RULES & CRICKET...and an awful lot more.
But as it is on constant up-date, and my old p.c.
won't take screen shots, only the quick, and 'The Dead',
will see that to be so.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
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Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:50 am
An interesting new poster
has appeared on "tintin's" thread...
...right after "yass" posted...
V
...we see...
...stormrider73
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irkutsk, Siberia
Posts: 37
...who then posted...
...who I find an awful lot like...
...interesting to, that it is on the previous page:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2986
...that "tintin" and his team, start their
blatantly obvious DEFENCE of BREIVIK
and his fellow PUPPETS and HANDLERS
(including clearly marked locals), while
also starting their blatantly obvious call
for ALL OUT WAR AGAINST GOD'S, HOLY,
ETERNAL KINGDOM.
Many clearly angry, clearly foolish (for being
so clearly direct), orders follow...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2987
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2988
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2989
...though, despite knowing nothing of:
stormrider73...
...and not even being able to access,
"all posts by" them, they do seem to,
be hinting at a warning against loyalty,
to the inherently dis-loyal "tintin" and
his team...
..."Those people certainly know each other "
Last edited by stormrider73; 31-07-2011 at 05:09 AM.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2990
has appeared on "tintin's" thread...
...right after "yass" posted...
V
...we see...
...stormrider73
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irkutsk, Siberia
Posts: 37
...who then posted...
...who I find an awful lot like...
...interesting to, that it is on the previous page:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2986
...that "tintin" and his team, start their
blatantly obvious DEFENCE of BREIVIK
and his fellow PUPPETS and HANDLERS
(including clearly marked locals), while
also starting their blatantly obvious call
for ALL OUT WAR AGAINST GOD'S, HOLY,
ETERNAL KINGDOM.
Many clearly angry, clearly foolish (for being
so clearly direct), orders follow...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2987
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2988
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2989
...though, despite knowing nothing of:
stormrider73...
...and not even being able to access,
"all posts by" them, they do seem to,
be hinting at a warning against loyalty,
to the inherently dis-loyal "tintin" and
his team...
..."Those people certainly know each other "
Last edited by stormrider73; 31-07-2011 at 05:09 AM.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2990
true lilly- Posts : 6205
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Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
Billy Ruben Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:24 am
You have the hide to complain about me spamming and de-railing your threads and look at this,you lasted one post before doing the same,if not worse,WTF is wrong with you Lilly...
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Join date : 2010-03-29
Location : No Fixed Address
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
Billy Ruben Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:27 am
one fucking post...
not one fucking question
SPAM...
It might be a new condition
only developed in the computer age.
addiction to SPAM.
not one fucking question
SPAM...
It might be a new condition
only developed in the computer age.
addiction to SPAM.
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Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
MoMo Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:47 am
lilly, do you comprehend this Data?
Sign #1: The Diaspora
The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They were dispersed for over 1,900 years. They are there again today.
Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days."
Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds."
To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead.
Sign #2: The Return
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Bible passages predict the return of Israel to the land of Palestine. Here are only two.
Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."
Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
Sign #3: Buying back the land
The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land.
Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD."
Sign #4: Israel - Reborn in a day
Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day.
Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."
Sign #5: The order of the return
The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet.
Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."
"... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."
Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.
Sign #6: A pure language
With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets.
Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering".
Sign #7: The shekel
After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted.
Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel."
Sign #8: Named cities of Israel
There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations.
Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
Sign #9: Cities excepted - never to be inhabited
Yeshua pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today.
Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
Sign #10: From desolation to productivity
The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!"
Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."
Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...." .................................The answer is really very simple. God gave the land of Israel to Abraham (Genesis 17:
and to his descendants through Isaac (Genesis 26:2-5) and Jacob (Genesis 28:1-4,13-14).
That means the land belongs to the descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. In other words, the land belongs to the children of Israel, referred to in the New Testament as the Jews (Romans 1:16).
Some immediately protest this claim by arguing that the Abrahamic Covenant has been abrogated either by the Cross or by the disobedience of the Jews. But the Bible clearly teaches that the Abrahamic Covenant is an everlasting one that is still in effect (Genesis 17:7; 1 Chronicles 16:17-18; Psalm 105:8-11; and Romans 9:4).
As to the effect of the Jew's rejection of Jesus, Paul specifically addresses this question in Romans 3. He asks a rhetorical question: "What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?" For almost two thousand years the Church has answered this question with a resounding, Yes! But Paul answers it differently. He says, "May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar..." (Romans 3:1-4).
Further, Paul states in Romans 11 that the disobedience of the Jews has not nullified the promises of God to them, "for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29). God's promises are going to be fulfilled to a believing remnant (Romans 9: 27). In fact, in Romans 9:4, Paul specifically states that God's promises to the Jews are still valid.
Two Land Covenants
What most people do not know is that there are two Old Testament covenants pertaining to the land of Israel. The Abrahamic Covenant gives the title of the land to the Jews in perpetuity. A later covenant, the Mosaic Land Covenant — or Canaan Covenant — of Deuteronomy 28-30 defines the conditions for possession and enjoyment of the land.
This latter covenant is often referred to as the "Palestinian Covenant," but that is a misnomer, for the land was never called Palestine until after the second Jewish revolt in 132-135 A.D. At that time the Romans dubbed it "Palestine" to erase the memory of its Jewish heritage and to insult the Jews, for Palestine is the Latin word for Philistine, the ancient enemy of Israel.
Let me illustrate the role and relationship of these two covenants with a modern day example. Let's say you buy a car for a child of yours and put the title in the child's name. But you explain to the child that there are conditions for using the car — such as no speeding. And you warn your child that a speeding ticket will result in the loss of the privilege of driving the car for a period of two weeks. If the child gets a ticket and you lock the car up in the garage for two weeks, the car still belongs to the child because the child's name is on the title. But the child has temporarily lost possession of the vehicle.
In like manner, the Abrahamic Covenant (about 2,000 B.C.) gave the title of the land to the Jews for eternity. The Canaan Covenant (about 1250 B.C.) defined the terms for possession and use of the land. Title and possession are not the same thing. The Jews have lost possession of the land from time to time, but they have never lost their God-given title.
The Canaan Covenant
The Land Covenant promised that Israel would become the prime nation of the world if the Jews were obedient to God (Deuteronomy 28:1,13). But the covenant warned that many curses would befall the people if they were disobedient (Deuteronomy 28:15-37), including exile from the land (Deuteronomy 28:38-57). The covenant warned further that if temporary exile did not restore the Jews to obedience, they would suffer worldwide dispersion and persecution (Deuteronomy 28:58-68). But nowhere are they told that their disobedience would lead to a loss of their title to the land.
In fact, the Land Covenant ends in chapter 30 with a prophecy and a promise that a day will come — after the Jews have experienced the curses of the covenant — when the Lord will restore them to their land once again: "The Lord will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. And the Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 30:3-5).
For almost 1900 years the Jews wandered among the nations and suffered severe persecution, just as prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. During that time, their land became desolate as prophesied in Deuteronomy 29. But in this century, God has regathered them from the four corners of the earth, re-established them in their land, and transformed their land from wilderness to milk and honey — as prophesied in Deuteronomy 30.
The only prophecy left to be fulfilled in the Land Covenant is the spiritual salvation of the gathered remnant (Deuteronomy 30:6-. That will occur soon when they repent and accept Yeshua as their Messiah.
The Abrahamic and Land Covenants make it clear that the Jewish people have both the right to the land of Israel and the right to be back in it today.
The Arab Covenant
Where does this leave the Arabs? As descendants of Abraham's son, Ishmael, they too have a promise, but it is not a land promise. The covenant God made with Ishmael had to do with the number of his descendants. Ishmael was promised that his descendants would be "multiplied exceedingly" (Genesis 17:20).
God has faithfully kept His promise to the descendants of Ishmael. Today there are 21 Arab states with a combined population of 175 million Arabs. There is only one Jewish state with a population of 5 million. The Arab states contain 5.3 million square miles of oil rich land. Israel has only 8 thousand square miles of land with no major oil reserves that have been discovered. That's a population ratio of 43 to 1 and a land ratio of 662 to 1!
The Palestinian Claim
But what about the Palestinian people? Don't they deserve a state? Keep in mind first of all that a Palestinian state never existed prior to this century. From 70 A.D. to 1948 the geographical area known as Palestine was never an independent state nor did the Arabs residing there have any consciousness of themselves as a separate nation of people. They regarded themselves as Syrians. Also, keep in mind that Jerusalem has never served as the capital of any Arab nation, whereas it has been considered the capital of the Jewish people since 1000 B.C.
Also noteworthy is the fact that when the West Bank and Gaza were under Jordanian autonomy from 1948 to 1967, there was not any effort to create a separate Palestinian state. The PLO was formed during that time, not for the purpose of creating a Palestinian State, but rather for the purpose of exterminating the Jewish state.
Equally important is the fact that a Palestinian state already exists — and it is four times larger than Israel! The Palestinian state is Jordan. In the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the British originally promised all the Palestinian Mandate to the Jews as a national homeland. But in 1922 they broke that promise by using 77% of the Mandate to create the Arab state of Jordan. Today that state's population is 75% Palestinian.
The True Arab Goal
Then why do the Arabs demand the creation of a Palestinian state within the boundaries of current day Israel? The answer is simple. The real Arab goal is not the establishment of another Palestinian state. The true goal is the destruction of Israel.
In fact, Arafat spelled out his current strategy several years ago to the Arab world, and the strategy was adopted officially by the PLO in 1974. It is called "the phased plan." Realizing that he could not defeat Israel with war or terrorism, he decided that the road to victory was deceptive diplomacy. He would talk about peace in return for land, while rallying the anti-Israeli Western powers to put pressure on the Israeli government to capitulate. Once he got a toe-hold in the land, he would then use that as a base for renewed attacks on Israel. In short, he would take Israel in phases. It is a clever strategy that he has spelled out in detail in many public speeches, just as Hitler outlined his strategy in detail in Mein Kampf.
The World's Demand
The world insists that the Jews must trade land for peace. But trading land for peace only whets the appetite of the aggressor. Israel has returned the Sinai to Egypt twice, and the Egyptians are still bristling with hostility toward Israel.
Furthermore, Israel doesn't have any territory to give away. It is one of the world's smallest nations. Turning the West Bank over to hostile Arabs would put the enemy of Israel within 11 miles of Tel Aviv. No government in its right mind would agree to such insanity.
Why then, did the government of Yitzhak Rabin (the Prime Minister) and Shimon Peres (the Foreign Minister) agree to the initiation of the current peace process? The answer is deception. They were deceived by the PLO and the western nations. Worst of all, they deceived themselves.
Their self-deception was rooted in their Humanistic view of the world. Keep in mind that there was not a single believer in God among the top circle of Israeli leaders in the Rabin government. They were all either atheists or agnostics. Politically, they were either socialists or liberal humanists. This means that they believed in the basic goodness of Man. Translated into foreign policy, it means that they believed that if they treated their enemies with fairness and trust, their enemies would reciprocate. They simply could not bring themselves to believe that their enemies are determined to destroy them.
Imbecilic Policy
Ignoring all the harsh lessons of history, Rabin and Peres embarked on a policy of appeasement, hoping that they could satisfy the appetite of their enemies by giving them land for peace. History proves conclusively that appeasement always has the opposite effect — namely, it encourages the aggressor to want more.
Chamberlain found that out when he tried to satisfy Hitler by trading him the Sudetenland for peace. Chamberlain turned out to be a fool. But Rabin and Peres made Chamberlain look good. After all, he at least was not foolish enough to trade some of the territory of Britain for peace! No, he gave away another nation's land. Rabin and Peres sought to trade their own land, land that puts their sworn enemy in the very heart of their nation.
Implacable Enemies
What makes all this particularly ludicrous is the fact that Yasser Arafat does not even attempt to hide his true intentions. He promised that in return for receiving autonomy over Gaza and Jericho he would have the PLO rescind the clauses in its covenant that call for the destruction of Israel. That was five years ago, and he still has not even attempted to get the PLO to amend its charter.
Even worse, Arafat continues to speak openly about his intention to take Jerusalem. The ink was hardly dry on the "peace" accord when he gave a speech in South Africa advocating a jihad to "liberate" Jerusalem. A jihad is a holy war! Again, Rabin and Peres made excuses for him, as did the U.S. State Department. They explained that Arafat was just saying what he had to say to placate his Arab enemies, and that he really didn't mean what he was saying. That's exactly what the Western European leaders kept saying about Hitler — "He doesn't really mean it." Well, he meant it, and so does Arafat.
Insolent Allies
The Israeli leaders have also been deceived by the West. The United States and its Western allies have talked the government of Israel into doing something that every Israeli leader in the past said the nation would never do, and that is to place the survival of the country in the hands of foreigners. The Western nations keep whispering soothing assurances that they will "guarantee" the peace. But when the "peace" evaporates into all out war, Israel will discover that the Western world will back off and leave the nation to fend for itself. The bottom line is that Israel is no Kuwait. Israel has no oil, and Israel is full of Jews whom the world hates.
The current "peace" process is a prescription for war, and it will be the bloodiest war in the history of the Middle East. I believe it will be a war that will lead up to the climax of the current age, ushering in the Tribulation.
The Jews' Resolve
The Jews must stand firm in their determination to maintain the territorial integrity of the land God gave them. In doing so, they will bring the wrath of the nations upon themselves. The prophet Zechariah says that all the nations of the world will come together against Israel in the end times (Zechariah 12:3).
But God will sustain the Jewish people, for they are the "apple of His eye" (Zechariah 2:. The Word of God says Philistia is finished — "melted away" (Isaiah 14:29-32). And the Word says that once the Jews are reestablished in the their land, "they will never be rooted up again" (Amos 9:14-15).
Let all the world come together against God's Chosen. The Lord sits in the heavens and laughs (Psalm 2:4), for He has the wisdom and power to orchestrate all the evil of Man to the fulfillment of His purposes (Psalm 76:10).
Imminent Scenario
What is likely to happen next? Here is the most likely scenario that I can foresee at the moment. Arafat will die (he is in bad health) or will be assassinated, and Hamas, the fundamentalist Arab terrorist organization funded by Iran, will take over control of the Palestinian autonomous areas. Hamas will then unleash a renewed rain of terror on Israel, lobbing rockets from Gaza and Jericho to back up their demand for control of Jerusalem.
If Arafat manages to remain alive, he will go after the same objective, using more subtle means. He will orchestrate world pressure on Israel through the United Nations and the Vatican. On May 4 of next year he will proclaim a Palestinian state and then demand that Jerusalem be "liberated" or internationalized.
Since even the most liberal Israelis take the position that Jerusalem is non negotiable, the pressure will mount toward an inevitable conflict. If Hamas does not unleash the rockets first, then Arafat will ultimately return to the method he knows best — terror.
This will prompt an Israeli counter attack, which, in turn, will motivate the Arab states to come to the defense of the Palestinians. Syria will launch an all out missile attack on Tel Aviv, using the Scuds it has been purchasing from North Korea.
When that ominous event occurs, the Israelis will be forced to use their ultimate weapon to survive. They will strike Damascus with nuclear weapons. This will fulfill the prophecies that state that Damascus will cease to exist in the end times (Isaiah 17:1-3 and Jeremiah 49:23-27).
In panic, the Arab states will then turn to their natural ally for help — the Russians. And the likelihood is that by that time Russia will be firmly in the hands of either a military dictatorship or a despot like Vladimir Zhiranovsky who would be only too happy to send an army into the Middle East to destroy Israel (and grab the Arab oil fields in the process).
That is when the Lord will step in personally to destroy the Russian hordes on the mountains of Israel in a supernatural way so that even the Israelis will realize that their deliverance came from the Lord and not from their own military might (Ezekiel 38 and 39).
As the whole world panics on the brink of World War III, a dynamic, charismatic political leader from Europe will step into the vacuum and propose an ingenious solution that will result in peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors — a peace that will enable the Jews to rebuild their Temple.
We live in exciting times when we can watch prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes. The events are ominous and overwhelming, but we can stand firm with great hope because we know that God is on His throne and that He is in control.
The events we are currently witnessing point to the imminent return of Yeshua, and when He returns, the world will be flooded with peace and righteousness, and Israel will enjoy the blessings of territorial integrity and peace forevermore (Zechariah 8:1-.
..........................
Sign #1: The Diaspora
The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They were dispersed for over 1,900 years. They are there again today.
Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days."
Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds."
To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead.
Sign #2: The Return
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Bible passages predict the return of Israel to the land of Palestine. Here are only two.
Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."
Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
Sign #3: Buying back the land
The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land.
Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD."
Sign #4: Israel - Reborn in a day
Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day.
Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."
Sign #5: The order of the return
The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet.
Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."
"... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."
Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.
Sign #6: A pure language
With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets.
Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering".
Sign #7: The shekel
After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted.
Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel."
Sign #8: Named cities of Israel
There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations.
Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
Sign #9: Cities excepted - never to be inhabited
Yeshua pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today.
Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
Sign #10: From desolation to productivity
The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!"
Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."
Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...." .................................The answer is really very simple. God gave the land of Israel to Abraham (Genesis 17:
and to his descendants through Isaac (Genesis 26:2-5) and Jacob (Genesis 28:1-4,13-14).That means the land belongs to the descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. In other words, the land belongs to the children of Israel, referred to in the New Testament as the Jews (Romans 1:16).
Some immediately protest this claim by arguing that the Abrahamic Covenant has been abrogated either by the Cross or by the disobedience of the Jews. But the Bible clearly teaches that the Abrahamic Covenant is an everlasting one that is still in effect (Genesis 17:7; 1 Chronicles 16:17-18; Psalm 105:8-11; and Romans 9:4).
As to the effect of the Jew's rejection of Jesus, Paul specifically addresses this question in Romans 3. He asks a rhetorical question: "What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?" For almost two thousand years the Church has answered this question with a resounding, Yes! But Paul answers it differently. He says, "May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar..." (Romans 3:1-4).
Further, Paul states in Romans 11 that the disobedience of the Jews has not nullified the promises of God to them, "for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29). God's promises are going to be fulfilled to a believing remnant (Romans 9: 27). In fact, in Romans 9:4, Paul specifically states that God's promises to the Jews are still valid.
Two Land Covenants
What most people do not know is that there are two Old Testament covenants pertaining to the land of Israel. The Abrahamic Covenant gives the title of the land to the Jews in perpetuity. A later covenant, the Mosaic Land Covenant — or Canaan Covenant — of Deuteronomy 28-30 defines the conditions for possession and enjoyment of the land.
This latter covenant is often referred to as the "Palestinian Covenant," but that is a misnomer, for the land was never called Palestine until after the second Jewish revolt in 132-135 A.D. At that time the Romans dubbed it "Palestine" to erase the memory of its Jewish heritage and to insult the Jews, for Palestine is the Latin word for Philistine, the ancient enemy of Israel.
Let me illustrate the role and relationship of these two covenants with a modern day example. Let's say you buy a car for a child of yours and put the title in the child's name. But you explain to the child that there are conditions for using the car — such as no speeding. And you warn your child that a speeding ticket will result in the loss of the privilege of driving the car for a period of two weeks. If the child gets a ticket and you lock the car up in the garage for two weeks, the car still belongs to the child because the child's name is on the title. But the child has temporarily lost possession of the vehicle.
In like manner, the Abrahamic Covenant (about 2,000 B.C.) gave the title of the land to the Jews for eternity. The Canaan Covenant (about 1250 B.C.) defined the terms for possession and use of the land. Title and possession are not the same thing. The Jews have lost possession of the land from time to time, but they have never lost their God-given title.
The Canaan Covenant
The Land Covenant promised that Israel would become the prime nation of the world if the Jews were obedient to God (Deuteronomy 28:1,13). But the covenant warned that many curses would befall the people if they were disobedient (Deuteronomy 28:15-37), including exile from the land (Deuteronomy 28:38-57). The covenant warned further that if temporary exile did not restore the Jews to obedience, they would suffer worldwide dispersion and persecution (Deuteronomy 28:58-68). But nowhere are they told that their disobedience would lead to a loss of their title to the land.
In fact, the Land Covenant ends in chapter 30 with a prophecy and a promise that a day will come — after the Jews have experienced the curses of the covenant — when the Lord will restore them to their land once again: "The Lord will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. And the Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 30:3-5).
For almost 1900 years the Jews wandered among the nations and suffered severe persecution, just as prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. During that time, their land became desolate as prophesied in Deuteronomy 29. But in this century, God has regathered them from the four corners of the earth, re-established them in their land, and transformed their land from wilderness to milk and honey — as prophesied in Deuteronomy 30.
The only prophecy left to be fulfilled in the Land Covenant is the spiritual salvation of the gathered remnant (Deuteronomy 30:6-
. That will occur soon when they repent and accept Yeshua as their Messiah.The Abrahamic and Land Covenants make it clear that the Jewish people have both the right to the land of Israel and the right to be back in it today.
The Arab Covenant
Where does this leave the Arabs? As descendants of Abraham's son, Ishmael, they too have a promise, but it is not a land promise. The covenant God made with Ishmael had to do with the number of his descendants. Ishmael was promised that his descendants would be "multiplied exceedingly" (Genesis 17:20).
God has faithfully kept His promise to the descendants of Ishmael. Today there are 21 Arab states with a combined population of 175 million Arabs. There is only one Jewish state with a population of 5 million. The Arab states contain 5.3 million square miles of oil rich land. Israel has only 8 thousand square miles of land with no major oil reserves that have been discovered. That's a population ratio of 43 to 1 and a land ratio of 662 to 1!
The Palestinian Claim
But what about the Palestinian people? Don't they deserve a state? Keep in mind first of all that a Palestinian state never existed prior to this century. From 70 A.D. to 1948 the geographical area known as Palestine was never an independent state nor did the Arabs residing there have any consciousness of themselves as a separate nation of people. They regarded themselves as Syrians. Also, keep in mind that Jerusalem has never served as the capital of any Arab nation, whereas it has been considered the capital of the Jewish people since 1000 B.C.
Also noteworthy is the fact that when the West Bank and Gaza were under Jordanian autonomy from 1948 to 1967, there was not any effort to create a separate Palestinian state. The PLO was formed during that time, not for the purpose of creating a Palestinian State, but rather for the purpose of exterminating the Jewish state.
Equally important is the fact that a Palestinian state already exists — and it is four times larger than Israel! The Palestinian state is Jordan. In the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the British originally promised all the Palestinian Mandate to the Jews as a national homeland. But in 1922 they broke that promise by using 77% of the Mandate to create the Arab state of Jordan. Today that state's population is 75% Palestinian.
The True Arab Goal
Then why do the Arabs demand the creation of a Palestinian state within the boundaries of current day Israel? The answer is simple. The real Arab goal is not the establishment of another Palestinian state. The true goal is the destruction of Israel.
In fact, Arafat spelled out his current strategy several years ago to the Arab world, and the strategy was adopted officially by the PLO in 1974. It is called "the phased plan." Realizing that he could not defeat Israel with war or terrorism, he decided that the road to victory was deceptive diplomacy. He would talk about peace in return for land, while rallying the anti-Israeli Western powers to put pressure on the Israeli government to capitulate. Once he got a toe-hold in the land, he would then use that as a base for renewed attacks on Israel. In short, he would take Israel in phases. It is a clever strategy that he has spelled out in detail in many public speeches, just as Hitler outlined his strategy in detail in Mein Kampf.
The World's Demand
The world insists that the Jews must trade land for peace. But trading land for peace only whets the appetite of the aggressor. Israel has returned the Sinai to Egypt twice, and the Egyptians are still bristling with hostility toward Israel.
Furthermore, Israel doesn't have any territory to give away. It is one of the world's smallest nations. Turning the West Bank over to hostile Arabs would put the enemy of Israel within 11 miles of Tel Aviv. No government in its right mind would agree to such insanity.
Why then, did the government of Yitzhak Rabin (the Prime Minister) and Shimon Peres (the Foreign Minister) agree to the initiation of the current peace process? The answer is deception. They were deceived by the PLO and the western nations. Worst of all, they deceived themselves.
Their self-deception was rooted in their Humanistic view of the world. Keep in mind that there was not a single believer in God among the top circle of Israeli leaders in the Rabin government. They were all either atheists or agnostics. Politically, they were either socialists or liberal humanists. This means that they believed in the basic goodness of Man. Translated into foreign policy, it means that they believed that if they treated their enemies with fairness and trust, their enemies would reciprocate. They simply could not bring themselves to believe that their enemies are determined to destroy them.
Imbecilic Policy
Ignoring all the harsh lessons of history, Rabin and Peres embarked on a policy of appeasement, hoping that they could satisfy the appetite of their enemies by giving them land for peace. History proves conclusively that appeasement always has the opposite effect — namely, it encourages the aggressor to want more.
Chamberlain found that out when he tried to satisfy Hitler by trading him the Sudetenland for peace. Chamberlain turned out to be a fool. But Rabin and Peres made Chamberlain look good. After all, he at least was not foolish enough to trade some of the territory of Britain for peace! No, he gave away another nation's land. Rabin and Peres sought to trade their own land, land that puts their sworn enemy in the very heart of their nation.
Implacable Enemies
What makes all this particularly ludicrous is the fact that Yasser Arafat does not even attempt to hide his true intentions. He promised that in return for receiving autonomy over Gaza and Jericho he would have the PLO rescind the clauses in its covenant that call for the destruction of Israel. That was five years ago, and he still has not even attempted to get the PLO to amend its charter.
Even worse, Arafat continues to speak openly about his intention to take Jerusalem. The ink was hardly dry on the "peace" accord when he gave a speech in South Africa advocating a jihad to "liberate" Jerusalem. A jihad is a holy war! Again, Rabin and Peres made excuses for him, as did the U.S. State Department. They explained that Arafat was just saying what he had to say to placate his Arab enemies, and that he really didn't mean what he was saying. That's exactly what the Western European leaders kept saying about Hitler — "He doesn't really mean it." Well, he meant it, and so does Arafat.
Insolent Allies
The Israeli leaders have also been deceived by the West. The United States and its Western allies have talked the government of Israel into doing something that every Israeli leader in the past said the nation would never do, and that is to place the survival of the country in the hands of foreigners. The Western nations keep whispering soothing assurances that they will "guarantee" the peace. But when the "peace" evaporates into all out war, Israel will discover that the Western world will back off and leave the nation to fend for itself. The bottom line is that Israel is no Kuwait. Israel has no oil, and Israel is full of Jews whom the world hates.
The current "peace" process is a prescription for war, and it will be the bloodiest war in the history of the Middle East. I believe it will be a war that will lead up to the climax of the current age, ushering in the Tribulation.
The Jews' Resolve
The Jews must stand firm in their determination to maintain the territorial integrity of the land God gave them. In doing so, they will bring the wrath of the nations upon themselves. The prophet Zechariah says that all the nations of the world will come together against Israel in the end times (Zechariah 12:3).
But God will sustain the Jewish people, for they are the "apple of His eye" (Zechariah 2:
. The Word of God says Philistia is finished — "melted away" (Isaiah 14:29-32). And the Word says that once the Jews are reestablished in the their land, "they will never be rooted up again" (Amos 9:14-15).Let all the world come together against God's Chosen. The Lord sits in the heavens and laughs (Psalm 2:4), for He has the wisdom and power to orchestrate all the evil of Man to the fulfillment of His purposes (Psalm 76:10).
Imminent Scenario
What is likely to happen next? Here is the most likely scenario that I can foresee at the moment. Arafat will die (he is in bad health) or will be assassinated, and Hamas, the fundamentalist Arab terrorist organization funded by Iran, will take over control of the Palestinian autonomous areas. Hamas will then unleash a renewed rain of terror on Israel, lobbing rockets from Gaza and Jericho to back up their demand for control of Jerusalem.
If Arafat manages to remain alive, he will go after the same objective, using more subtle means. He will orchestrate world pressure on Israel through the United Nations and the Vatican. On May 4 of next year he will proclaim a Palestinian state and then demand that Jerusalem be "liberated" or internationalized.
Since even the most liberal Israelis take the position that Jerusalem is non negotiable, the pressure will mount toward an inevitable conflict. If Hamas does not unleash the rockets first, then Arafat will ultimately return to the method he knows best — terror.
This will prompt an Israeli counter attack, which, in turn, will motivate the Arab states to come to the defense of the Palestinians. Syria will launch an all out missile attack on Tel Aviv, using the Scuds it has been purchasing from North Korea.
When that ominous event occurs, the Israelis will be forced to use their ultimate weapon to survive. They will strike Damascus with nuclear weapons. This will fulfill the prophecies that state that Damascus will cease to exist in the end times (Isaiah 17:1-3 and Jeremiah 49:23-27).
In panic, the Arab states will then turn to their natural ally for help — the Russians. And the likelihood is that by that time Russia will be firmly in the hands of either a military dictatorship or a despot like Vladimir Zhiranovsky who would be only too happy to send an army into the Middle East to destroy Israel (and grab the Arab oil fields in the process).
That is when the Lord will step in personally to destroy the Russian hordes on the mountains of Israel in a supernatural way so that even the Israelis will realize that their deliverance came from the Lord and not from their own military might (Ezekiel 38 and 39).
As the whole world panics on the brink of World War III, a dynamic, charismatic political leader from Europe will step into the vacuum and propose an ingenious solution that will result in peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors — a peace that will enable the Jews to rebuild their Temple.
We live in exciting times when we can watch prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes. The events are ominous and overwhelming, but we can stand firm with great hope because we know that God is on His throne and that He is in control.
The events we are currently witnessing point to the imminent return of Yeshua, and when He returns, the world will be flooded with peace and righteousness, and Israel will enjoy the blessings of territorial integrity and peace forevermore (Zechariah 8:1-
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Arab Higher Committee for Palestine Rejects Johnston Plan
Arab Summit Decides to Divert Jordan River
Cabinet Approves Emergency Plan to Increase the Production of Desalinated Water (1/30/2011)
Development of Limited Water Resources: Historical and Technological Aspects
Groundwater in Israel
Israel To Build Second Water Desalination Plant
Israel, Jordan Agree to Protect Gulf
Israel Turns Over Gaza Water Processing Facility to Palestinians
Israel and Turkey Sign Landmark Water Accord (8/6/02)
Israel Signs Water Deal With Turkey (3/4/04)
Turkey & Israel Sign Water Deal (1/00)
Israel Water Rights
Israel Water Source [map]
Israel's Chronic Water Problem
Israel's Water Supply [map]
Israeli Agro-Technology
Israeli Response To Arab League Plan To Divert Jordan
The Johnston Mission
Joint Israel-Palestinian Call to Protect Water Supply
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources Muscat, Oman (April 17-19, 1994)
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources, Greece (November 9, 1994)
Multilateral Working Groups on Water Resources and the Environment Amman, Jordan (June 22, 1995)
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources, Hammamet, Tunisia (May 16, 1996)
Oil-Spill Cooperation
Overview of Middle East Water Resources
Rehabilitation of Israel's Rivers
River Water Quality in Israel
Seawater Desalination Projects: The Challenge and the Options to Meet the Water Shortage
Sister Lakes Project
United Nations Security Council Resolution S/3128 (Israel suspends work on River Jordan Project)
Water — Introduction
Watering a Thirsty Planet
The Water Issue in the West Bank and Gaza
Water Map of Israel and the Territories
The Water Resources Working Group
Water — Introduction
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Located on the edge of a desert belt, Israel has always suffered a scarcity of water. Archeological discoveries in the Negev and other parts of the country reveal that local inhabitants thousands of years ago were already concerned with water conservation, as evidenced by a variety of systems, designed to both collect and store rainwater and transfer it from one place to another.
The total annual renewable water resources amount to some 60 billion cubic feet (1.7 billion cu.m.), of which about 75 percent is used for irrigation and the balance for urban and industrial purposes. The country's water sources consist of the Jordan River, Lake Kinneret and a few small river systems. Natural springs and underground water tables, tapped in controlled quantities to prevent depletion and salination, are also utilized. As maximum use has been made of all freshwater sources, ways are being developed to exploit marginal water resources through the recycling of waste water, cloud-seeding and desalination of brackish water.
The National Water Carrier
To overcome regional imbalances in water availability, most of Israel's freshwater sources are joined in an integrated grid. Its central artery, the National Water Carrier, completed in 1964, brings water from the north and central regions, through a network of giant pipes, aqueducts, open canals, reservoirs, tunnels, dams and pumping stations, to the semi-arid south.
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Agriculture & Water Use — 1997
Arab Higher Committee for Palestine Rejects Johnston Plan
Arab Summit Decides to Divert Jordan River
Cabinet Approves Emergency Plan to Increase the Production of Desalinated Water (1/30/2011)
Development of Limited Water Resources: Historical and Technological Aspects
Groundwater in Israel
Israel To Build Second Water Desalination Plant
Israel, Jordan Agree to Protect Gulf
Israel Turns Over Gaza Water Processing Facility to Palestinians
Israel and Turkey Sign Landmark Water Accord (8/6/02)
Israel Signs Water Deal With Turkey (3/4/04)
Turkey & Israel Sign Water Deal (1/00)
Israel Water Rights
Israel Water Source [map]
Israel's Chronic Water Problem
Israel's Water Supply [map]
Israeli Agro-Technology
Israeli Response To Arab League Plan To Divert Jordan
The Johnston Mission
Joint Israel-Palestinian Call to Protect Water Supply
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources Muscat, Oman (April 17-19, 1994)
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources, Greece (November 9, 1994)
Multilateral Working Groups on Water Resources and the Environment Amman, Jordan (June 22, 1995)
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources, Hammamet, Tunisia (May 16, 1996)
Oil-Spill Cooperation
Overview of Middle East Water Resources
Rehabilitation of Israel's Rivers
River Water Quality in Israel
Seawater Desalination Projects: The Challenge and the Options to Meet the Water Shortage
Sister Lakes Project
United Nations Security Council Resolution S/3128 (Israel suspends work on River Jordan Project)
Water — Introduction
Watering a Thirsty Planet
The Water Issue in the West Bank and Gaza
Water Map of Israel and the Territories
The Water Resources Working Group
Water — Introduction
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Located on the edge of a desert belt, Israel has always suffered a scarcity of water. Archeological discoveries in the Negev and other parts of the country reveal that local inhabitants thousands of years ago were already concerned with water conservation, as evidenced by a variety of systems, designed to both collect and store rainwater and transfer it from one place to another.
The total annual renewable water resources amount to some 60 billion cubic feet (1.7 billion cu.m.), of which about 75 percent is used for irrigation and the balance for urban and industrial purposes. The country's water sources consist of the Jordan River, Lake Kinneret and a few small river systems. Natural springs and underground water tables, tapped in controlled quantities to prevent depletion and salination, are also utilized. As maximum use has been made of all freshwater sources, ways are being developed to exploit marginal water resources through the recycling of waste water, cloud-seeding and desalination of brackish water.
The National Water Carrier
To overcome regional imbalances in water availability, most of Israel's freshwater sources are joined in an integrated grid. Its central artery, the National Water Carrier, completed in 1964, brings water from the north and central regions, through a network of giant pipes, aqueducts, open canals, reservoirs, tunnels, dams and pumping stations, to the semi-arid south.
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This is NOT a 'typo' of 'tintin's',
that I've highlighted here:
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
__________________________________________________________________
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK has not 'died'.
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was BORN 96 years
AFTER RICHARD WAGNER
32 years, 5 months, 9 days after
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was born,
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK, KILLED...8 + 69 = 77...
or so we are now, officially told...but "tintin" ALWAYS IGNORES
ALL NUMBERS and DATES that DON'T SUIT the CODED ORDERS
HE SENDS AT THE TIME..and, "tintin" CODES 'speak to' different
people, at different 'levels'...the simple messages, to the simple,
'dumb bunnies', 'raised' to be sacrificed, with the computer code,
behind the simple public posts, for those he doesn't want dead, YET.
...and in this post, "TINTIN" IS CALLING "CELLS" of his,
("dumb bunny", bitterly waiting to stop pretending,
that they 'love' the men they 'got in with'), WOmen to KILL...
(full post at link;#29876)
...and I must trust God,
has called those who need to know,
to protect themselves from such WOmen.
that I've highlighted here:
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
__________________________________________________________________
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK has not 'died'.
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was BORN 96 years
AFTER RICHARD WAGNER
32 years, 5 months, 9 days after
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was born,
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK, KILLED...8 + 69 = 77...
or so we are now, officially told...but "tintin" ALWAYS IGNORES
ALL NUMBERS and DATES that DON'T SUIT the CODED ORDERS
HE SENDS AT THE TIME..and, "tintin" CODES 'speak to' different
people, at different 'levels'...the simple messages, to the simple,
'dumb bunnies', 'raised' to be sacrificed, with the computer code,
behind the simple public posts, for those he doesn't want dead, YET.
...and in this post, "TINTIN" IS CALLING "CELLS" of his,
("dumb bunny", bitterly waiting to stop pretending,
that they 'love' the men they 'got in with'), WOmen to KILL...
(full post at link;#29876)
tintin wrote: 30-07-2011, 07:10 PM#29876
Playboy Rabbit Hole
We are in the year of the RABBIT and that's the RABBI link
to ISRAEL and to the RABBIT HOLE and UTOYA is in HOLE municipality.
TRISTAN was the killer in ALPHEN.
Wagner
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
WAGNER died on 13 FEBRUARY 1883 in CA' VENDRAMIN in VENICE.
Ca' Vendramin: Casino
Ca' Vendramin is the CASINO of VENICE.
The CASINO ROYALE link to NORWAY.
...and I must trust God,
has called those who need to know,
to protect themselves from such WOmen.
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Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:10 pm
true lilly wrote:"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud,
EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
...so I find these two pieces of News, being on the same
Murdoch owned Front Page, interesting...so soon after
my warning posts,
of "tintin's" obsession with PLANE CRASHES...
Flight 523 from New York
had just landed safely in Guyana
when something suddenly went wrong.
Passengers shrieked as the plane sped up,
skidded off the runway and broke up
just short of a 60m ravine. Picture: AP
Read More
Tintin
Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson
give a sneak peek of their collaboration,
The Adventures of Tintin....actually, that front page (of Today's Herald Sun),
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/
is like reading a condensed version of my years of
posts of what to watch for, and take heed of...from
the above, to ZARA PHILLIPS, HENDRA VIRUS,
Another STATE LEADER 'stepping down', REFUGEE SWAPS,
TATTOOS & AUSSIE RULES & CRICKET...and an awful lot more.
But as it is on constant up-date, and my old p.c.
won't take screen shots, only the quick, and 'The Dead',
will see that to be so.
Oh, and lets not forget thattrue lilly wrote:This is NOT a 'typo' of 'tintin's',
that I've highlighted here:
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
__________________________________________________________________
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK has not 'died'.
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was BORN 96 years
AFTER RICHARD WAGNER
32 years, 5 months, 9 days after
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was born,
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK, KILLED...8 + 69 = 77...
or so we are now, officially told...but "tintin" ALWAYS IGNORES
ALL NUMBERS and DATES that DON'T SUIT the CODED ORDERS
HE SENDS AT THE TIME..and, "tintin" CODES 'speak to' different
people, at different 'levels'...the simple messages, to the simple,
'dumb bunnies', 'raised' to be sacrificed, with the computer code,
behind the simple public posts, for those he doesn't want dead, YET.
...and in this post, "TINTIN" IS CALLING "CELLS" of his,
("dumb bunny", bitterly waiting to stop pretending,
that they 'love' the men they 'got in with'), WOmen to KILL...
(full post at link;#29876)tintin wrote: 30-07-2011, 07:10 PM#29876
Playboy Rabbit Hole
We are in the year of the RABBIT and that's the RABBI link
to ISRAEL and to the RABBIT HOLE and UTOYA is in HOLE municipality.
TRISTAN was the killer in ALPHEN.
Wagner
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
WAGNER died on 13 FEBRUARY 1883 in CA' VENDRAMIN in VENICE.
Ca' Vendramin: Casino
Ca' Vendramin is the CASINO of VENICE.
The CASINO ROYALE link to NORWAY.
...and I must trust God,
has called those who need to know,
to protect themselves from such WOmen.
like CONspiracy forums and WIKIleaks,
WIKIpedia is a CODE SOURCE of the
"tintin/Assange"=BREIVIK's of the world...
and so, note...on, 1-8-2011
Today's featured picture
 | The flower of an Isophysis tasmanica plant, the only member of the Isophysis genus in the iris family. The plant is endemic to the mountains of Western Tasmania, growing in heathland on sandy soils. It has grass-like foliage and star-like dark red-purple or yellow flowers with reflexed tepals, as well as a characteristic superior ovary, which distinguishes it from other Iridaceae. Photo: JJ Harrison Recently featured: Sand storm crossing the Red Sea – Kingswear, England – Ursus C-451 tractor |
...AFTER my earlier WARNING Post, on 28-7-2011...
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1122p60-terrorist-and-other-coded-posts-on-david-icke-forum
true lilly wrote:Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.
So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...
...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)
And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.
Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.
Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.
Diemen or DEMON.
DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.
It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.
Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.
The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
Martin bryant was the patsy.
MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.
The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?
Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.
Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)
HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.
He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.
the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.
So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.
And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.
Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.
MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.
Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!
"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."
So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.
So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),
From The Beginning.
And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE" in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.
Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS, to TODAY'S NEWS.
Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube
- Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward
- From:
News Limited newspapers
- July 28, 2011
12:00AM- 17 comments
Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun
Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied
HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.
Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".
The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.
It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies" surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .
"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.
Related Coverage
- Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube Perth Now, 2 hours ago
- Lady Gaga in YouTube copyright spat Herald Sun, 14 Jul 2011
- Woman charged over State of Origin pee Herald Sun, 13 Jul 2011
- Officer who sprayed boy to be charged Herald Sun, 22 Jun 2011
- Horrific footage of Iranian jet crash Adelaide Now, 6 Jun 2011
"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.
"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."
See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:
Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit
October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM
Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander and Princess Maxima.
Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.
"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.
"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.
"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."
The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.
The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed on the coast of Western
Australia.
They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.
© 2006
AAP
oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed"EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:21 pm
BLESSED AGAIN...by The Faithful
having learned to "Read"
'David Icke's'=Team TINTIN/CORI's
CODED TERRORIST PLOTS...
Train driver averts rail disaster
1:45PM
Nick Leys
A TRAIN carrying at least 300 passengers
avoided disaster when the driver managed to stop
just 20m short of a break in the track.
Train driver averts disaster
after pulling up 20m from break in track
By Nick Leys
From:
Herald Sun
August 01, 2011
1:59PM
AN interstate train
carrying at least 300 passengers
narrowly avoided disaster
thanks to a fast-acting driver
who managed to stop the train
just twenty metres short of a break
in the track.
Three investigations into the incident are now underway
to determine why the Melbourne to Sydney V-Line train
was incorrectly routed onto a track undergoing maintenance.
V-Line passenger train 8615
was one and a half kilometres north of Seymour
and travelling at about 80 km/h
when the driver saw a maintenance vehicle ahead
and applied the breaks coming to a standstill
just before
the two metre break in the track.
The train then reversed back into Seymour.
The Rail, Tram and Bus Union's Mark Marotta said
the train would not have been able to stop
if it had been travelling at full speed.
"It wouldn't have stopped.
People would have lost their lives,'' he said.
The driver and maintenance crew
are understood to be badly shaken by the incident.
A spokesman for Australian Rail Track Corporation,
who operate the track, said they acknowledge
the criticality and seriousness of the incident
and have initiated a full internal investigation.
"The Victorian Office of the Chief Investigator
has also advised that they will be conducting
an independent inquiry into the incident.
"Additionally Transport Safety Victoria
will also be conducting
their own investigation/compliance audit
into this incident.''
An interesting new poster
has appeared on "tintin's" thread...
...right after "yass" posted...
V
...we see...
...stormrider73
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irkutsk, Siberia
Posts: 37
...who then posted...
...who I find an awful lot like...
...interesting to, that it is on the previous page:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2986
...that "tintin" and his team, start their
blatantly obvious DEFENCE of BREIVIK
and his fellow PUPPETS and HANDLERS
(including clearly marked locals), while
also starting their blatantly obvious call
for ALL OUT WAR AGAINST GOD'S, HOLY,
ETERNAL KINGDOM.
Many clearly angry, clearly foolish (for being
so clearly direct), orders follow...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2987
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2988
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2989
...though, despite knowing nothing of:
stormrider73...
...and not even being able to access,
"all posts by" them, they do seem to,
be hinting at a warning against loyalty,
to the inherently dis-loyal "tintin" and
his team...
..."Those people certainly know each other "
Last edited by stormrider73; 31-07-2011 at 05:09 AM.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2990
Now as "tintin", WHO:
STATES that AUSTRALIA IS THE LAND
GOD PRESERVED for
HIS RE-GATHERED FAITHFUL;
CLAIMS TO "BE christ",
(But NOT 'THE PERFECT'
RESURRECTED SON of GOD),
also then BANNED POSTS on ANYTHING
ACTUALLY TO BE FOUND IN GOD'S WORD...
[quote="true lilly"]
A thinking person has to ask...
"CORI" says...again and again...
that "CORI" WANTS 99.9% of ALL HUMAN BEINGS DEAD...
...oh, and that "I" am "evil", FOR WARNING THE WORLD
about THE "CORI'S" PRETENDING to be their 'friends'
like CONspiracy forums and WIKIleaks,
WIKIpedia is a CODE SOURCE of the
"tintin/Assange"=BREIVIK's of the world...
and so, note...on, 1-8-2011
Today's featured picture
...AFTER my earlier WARNING Post, on 28-7-2011...
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1122p60-terrorist-and-other-coded-posts-on-david-icke-forum
having learned to "Read"
'David Icke's'=Team TINTIN/CORI's
CODED TERRORIST PLOTS...
Train driver averts rail disaster
1:45PM
Nick Leys
A TRAIN carrying at least 300 passengers
avoided disaster when the driver managed to stop
just 20m short of a break in the track.
Train driver averts disaster
after pulling up 20m from break in track
By Nick Leys
From:
Herald Sun
August 01, 2011
1:59PM
AN interstate train
carrying at least 300 passengers
narrowly avoided disaster
thanks to a fast-acting driver
who managed to stop the train
just twenty metres short of a break
in the track.
Three investigations into the incident are now underway
to determine why the Melbourne to Sydney V-Line train
was incorrectly routed onto a track undergoing maintenance.
V-Line passenger train 8615
was one and a half kilometres north of Seymour
and travelling at about 80 km/h
when the driver saw a maintenance vehicle ahead
and applied the breaks coming to a standstill
just before
the two metre break in the track.
The train then reversed back into Seymour.
The Rail, Tram and Bus Union's Mark Marotta said
the train would not have been able to stop
if it had been travelling at full speed.
"It wouldn't have stopped.
People would have lost their lives,'' he said.
The driver and maintenance crew
are understood to be badly shaken by the incident.
A spokesman for Australian Rail Track Corporation,
who operate the track, said they acknowledge
the criticality and seriousness of the incident
and have initiated a full internal investigation.
"The Victorian Office of the Chief Investigator
has also advised that they will be conducting
an independent inquiry into the incident.
"Additionally Transport Safety Victoria
will also be conducting
their own investigation/compliance audit
into this incident.''
An interesting new poster
has appeared on "tintin's" thread...
...right after "yass" posted...
V
...we see...
...stormrider73
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irkutsk, Siberia
Posts: 37
...who then posted...
...who I find an awful lot like...
...interesting to, that it is on the previous page:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2986
...that "tintin" and his team, start their
blatantly obvious DEFENCE of BREIVIK
and his fellow PUPPETS and HANDLERS
(including clearly marked locals), while
also starting their blatantly obvious call
for ALL OUT WAR AGAINST GOD'S, HOLY,
ETERNAL KINGDOM.
Many clearly angry, clearly foolish (for being
so clearly direct), orders follow...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2987
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2988
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2989
...though, despite knowing nothing of:
stormrider73...
...and not even being able to access,
"all posts by" them, they do seem to,
be hinting at a warning against loyalty,
to the inherently dis-loyal "tintin" and
his team...
..."Those people certainly know each other "
Last edited by stormrider73; 31-07-2011 at 05:09 AM.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2990
Now as "tintin", WHO:
STATES that AUSTRALIA IS THE LAND
GOD PRESERVED for
HIS RE-GATHERED FAITHFUL;
CLAIMS TO "BE christ",
(But NOT 'THE PERFECT'
RESURRECTED SON of GOD),
also then BANNED POSTS on ANYTHING
ACTUALLY TO BE FOUND IN GOD'S WORD...
[quote="true lilly"]
A thinking person has to ask...
"CORI" says...again and again...
that "CORI" WANTS 99.9% of ALL HUMAN BEINGS DEAD...
...oh, and that "I" am "evil", FOR WARNING THE WORLD
about THE "CORI'S" PRETENDING to be their 'friends'
Oh, and lets not forget thattrue lilly wrote:true lilly wrote:This is NOT a 'typo' of 'tintin's',
that I've highlighted here:
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
__________________________________________________________________
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK has not 'died'.
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was BORN 96 years
AFTER RICHARD WAGNER
32 years, 5 months, 9 days after
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was born,
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK, KILLED...8 + 69 = 77...
or so we are now, officially told...but
"tintin" ALWAYS IGNORES
ALL NUMBERS and DATES that DON'T SUIT
the CODED ORDERS HE SENDS AT THE TIME...
and, "tintin" CODES 'speak to' different
people, at different 'levels'
...the simple messages, to the simple,
'dumb bunnies', 'raised' to be sacrificed, with the computer code,
behind the simple public posts, for those he doesn't want dead, YET.
...and in this post, "TINTIN" IS CALLING "CELLS" of his,
("dumb bunny", bitterly waiting to stop pretending,
that they 'love' the men they 'got in with'), WOmen to KILL...
(full post at link;#29876)tintin wrote: 30-07-2011, 07:10 PM#29876
Playboy Rabbit Hole
We are in the year of the RABBIT and that's the RABBI link
to ISRAEL and to the RABBIT HOLE and UTOYA is in HOLE municipality.
TRISTAN was the killer in ALPHEN.
Wagner
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
WAGNER died on 13 FEBRUARY 1883 in CA' VENDRAMIN in VENICE.
Ca' Vendramin: Casino
Ca' Vendramin is the CASINO of VENICE.
The CASINO ROYALE link to NORWAY.
...and I must trust God,
has called those who need to know,
to protect themselves from such WOmen.
The Very Best News Ever!
That God Exists and Keeps All His Promises!
JEREMIAH 50:
1
The word that Jehovah spoke
concerning Babylon,
concerning the land of the Chal·de´ans,
by means of Jeremiah the prophet:
2“Tell [it] among the nations and publish [it].
And lift up a signal; publish [it].
Hide nothing, O men....
4
“In those days and at that time,”
is the utterance of Jehovah,
“the sons of Israel,
they and the sons of Judah together,
will come. They will walk,
weeping as they walk, and
for Jehovah their God they will seek.
5
To Zion they will keep asking the way,
with their faces in that direction, [saying,]
‘Come and let us join ourselves to Jehovah
in an indefinitely lasting covenant that
will not be forgotten.’
6
A flock of perishing creatures my people has
become. Their own shepherds
have caused them to wander about.
On the mountains they have led them away.
From mountain to hill they have gone.
They have forgotten their resting-place. [/size]
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#top
...and I strongly suggest you bother to
study every word...remembering, that
I don't, 'go looking for bits' of 'the bible',
to 'justify' denying God's Word to sell
yet another of man's religions...I pray,
in faith, for His Advice, and bingo!, of
All the Topics Under The Sun, covered
In His Word, it's the topic I'm writing on,
that the pages open, and my eyes see.
like CONspiracy forums and WIKIleaks,
WIKIpedia is a CODE SOURCE of the
"tintin/Assange"=BREIVIK's of the world...
and so, note...on, 1-8-2011
Today's featured picture
| The flower of an Isophysis tasmanica plant, the only member of the Isophysis genus in the iris family. The plant is endemic to the mountains of Western Tasmania, growing in heathland on sandy soils. It has grass-like foliage and star-like dark red-purple or yellow flowers with reflexed tepals, as well as a characteristic superior ovary, which distinguishes it from other Iridaceae. Photo: JJ Harrison Recently featured: Sand storm crossing the Red Sea – Kingswear, England – Ursus C-451 tractor |
...AFTER my earlier WARNING Post, on 28-7-2011...
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1122p60-terrorist-and-other-coded-posts-on-david-icke-forum
true lilly wrote:Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.
So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...
...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)
And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.
Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.
Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.
Diemen or DEMON.
DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.
It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.
Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.
The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
Martin bryant was the patsy.
MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.
The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?
Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.
Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)
HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.
He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.
the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.
So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.
And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.
Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.
MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.
Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!
"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."
So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.
So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),
From The Beginning.
And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE" in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.
Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS, to TODAY'S NEWS.
Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube
- Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward
- From:
News Limited newspapers
- July 28, 2011
12:00AM- 17 comments
Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun
Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied
HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.
Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".
The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.
It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies" surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .
"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.
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"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.
"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."
See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:
Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit
October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM
Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander and Princess Maxima.
Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.
"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.
"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.
"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."
The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.
The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed on the coast of Western
Australia.
They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.
2006
AAP
oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed"EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
MoMo Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:30 pm
true lilly wrote:"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud,
EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
...so I find these two pieces of News, being on the same
Murdoch owned Front Page, interesting...so soon after
my warning posts,
of "tintin's" obsession with PLANE CRASHES...
Night night, don't let the Bats of Darkness bite yer ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst
git yer groove on!
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM
MoMo- Posts : 1856
Join date : 2011-07-03
Location : outside the box, I pooped in it.
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
MoMo Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:27 pm
Be that as it may, the fact remains that lillys head is permanantly embedded so far up her own ass that she sees nothing but poo.
X-Ray of Lillys, Queen of Bullshits Skull
http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
53b: A Covenant of Fate, Part 2
Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Psychological Background
Anti-semitism is a multi-faceted phenomenon, which lends itself to various analyses. I would like to demonstrate that the various dimensions of analysis do not contradict one another. In fact, their juxtaposition creates a complete picture. Here we will discuss the first level, the psychological dimension. To explain it, I will use a simple allegory. Psychologists often employ the Rorschach Test in their analysis of patients. The test uses a well-known technique known as the projective technique. The patient is asked to look at a series of pictures and explain what he sees. These pictures have no intrinsic meaning. In fact, they are simply ink blots on paper that created symmetrical designs when the paper was folded in two. As previously mentioned, the pictures do not represent anything, yet people look at them and explain them. The explanations do not exist in the pictures; they exist in the person's mind. This is an opening, through which the psychologists try to enter the inner world of the person, who "projects" what is inside himself onto the pictures.
This mechanism, according to many psychologists, can shed light on the phenomenon of anti-Semitism. The anti- Semite sees in the Jews negative qualities that threaten and endanger him. These characteristics don't exist in the "picture"; they only exist in the mind of the beholder. They are the projections of the anti-Semite, who uses the Jew as a blot of his own making, and upon which he projects the black sides of his inner world. This, in very general terms of course, refers to the psychological background of anti-Semitism. The fact that the Jew is a minority, a foreigner who is relatively easily identified, was a psychological cause that contributed to the choice of the Jew as the screen upon which the anti-Semites threw their fears and hatred. This is actually the explanation for a number of noticeable characteristics of anti-Semitism. We find many types and forms of attacks on Jews. In one place the Jew is described as having one trait, and in another place he is accused of the opposite characteristic. This is true regarding both his personal traits and his social and political traits. Thus, for example, the Jew is portrayed as the capitalist trying to take over the world, and on the other hand as the revolutionary, who is attempting to weaken the power of wealth and utterly abolish personal ownership. The fact that we are faced with a psychological phenomenon means that we must not search for logic here. All anti-Semites project their various and contradictory fears upon the Jew.
Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Social Basis
Whoever thinks that this analysis has exhausted the topic of anti-Semitism is fooling himself. Anti-Semitism is a social, not an individual, phenomenon. In addition to its psychological aspects, we must study anti-Semitism from its social and general perspectives as well. A view of history and philosophy in recent generations will be of help in our attempt. Let us therefore move on to the second level of our analysis, the collective, political and social level. Until now we have examined a phenomenon that has already been expressed by the earliest thinkers of the last century. They viewed anti-Semitism as part of Xenophobia, and indeed, the phenomena we have expressed until now are merely details within a much larger context, that of the strains that exist between various groups, between the majority and the minority, and even between various races who live together within one society. From this perspective, there is no essential difference between the hatred of Jews and the hostility that exists towards other races, such as blacks. However, this is but one level of the explanation. Until now we have identified the roots of the problem, and its individual expressions.
If anti-Semitism were only an individual psychological phenomenon, it would be similar to other forms of discrimination and hostility; however, in the modern world anti-Semitism takes on a different hue. Various groups have used it for political purposes. We can trace clear attempts to use psychological hostility – which, it seems, has deep religious roots – to forward political aims. Thus, modern anti-Semitism was born, and acquired a more and more tragic and satanic form. The widespread use of this technique began in Czarist Russia, in the struggle to smother those revolutionary attempts that finally toppled the Czarist rule. Through the Czarist secret police, the rulers attempted to identify revolutionary action with the activities of the Jews. The rulers of Czarist Russia fought against certain phenomena, and in this fight they created a kind of equation, which was supposed to prove their claims. The Czarist secret police created one of the documents that became an anti-Semitic classic, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This book reveals the so-called secret plan weaved by the leaders of the Jews, to take over the entire world. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" became a holy book among the anti-Semites.
"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was simply a rewriting of a French book that attributed ambitions to take over the world to Napoleon. This booklet is called "a dialogue in hell between Machiavelli and Montasque," or "Politics of the Nineteenth Century." These accusations were not at all directed towards the Jews and Judaism. However, the dialogue was adopted and transformed into the protocols of an imaginary group whose members were the world leaders of Judaism, attempting to take over the politics of various European countries.
Even the Czar himself, Nikolai the Second, although far from bearing the Jews any fond feelings, saw that the book was a fake and opposed its publication. Despite this, the first Russian edition appeared in 1905. A number of years later, other editions began to appear. Some of the editions were altered and corrected in order to make it possible to accuse the Jews of various catastrophes that took place between one edition and another. At various opportunities, it became the topic of public court cases, in which the book was proved to be a forgery. However, this of course did not check the book's growing popularity, particularly in the wake of the Nazi influence. The book influenced various writers, who were mistakenly taken in and convinced of its authenticity. Thus, for example, Henry Ford was inspired by "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to write "The International Jew," in which he continues these accusations. Various other books were written in its wake until recent years.
This is an example of a lie and forgery that the power of truth could not effectually surmount. This abominable book became a justification of Nazism and the genocide that followed in its wake. This is an example of the phenomena that we must deal with. Forgeries spread throughout the world, and people are convinced.
49c: Cinderella, part 3:
The book of Job represents the conflict between Judaism and the other central religions. Both Islam and Christianity, throughout the generations, have continually employed a claim in the anti-Jewish argument that can be termed "the exile proof." The success of these religions is seemingly a proof that God is on their side. I propose to prove the opposite theory, that it is the anti-hero who is God's ally.
Our forefathers knew that the exile was a trial to be overcome. The Jew refuses to accept the claims of his friends; he insists upon the justice of his path. This insistence has a sublimity to it, which is expressed in the Jewish existence in exile. The members of the Great Assembly recognized this when they coined the phrase we use in our prayers, "the great mighty and awesome God." When the prophets saw the destruction, they omitted parts of the formula one by one, and questioned His might and greatness. These omissions are built upon the approach that says that truth is revealed on the battlefield, or through political or financial success. The members of the Great Assembly re-instituted the authentic phrase "the great, mighty and awesome God" and claimed that paradoxically, through Jewish existence in exile, God's greatness and might are expressed. On the one hand, the irrational existence of the Jews in exile is the miraculous existence of one lamb among seventy wolves. Yet on the other hand, the exile expresses the fact that the Jewish people accepted the yoke of Heaven, not from a state where God made sure they lacked for nothing, not from a state of military success or financial abundance, but from poverty and suffering, without even the hope of change in the foreseeable future.
Cinderella's sisters found proof of their preferred status in their success. However, their success was, of course, helped by the sword. Christianity and Islam used the sword, and their covenant with the sword, to take over the world. Job, who worships God within his suffering, reaches the highest level of divine worship. Whenever Jews chose to suffer rather than utter the one traitorous word that could have altered their fate, it was a constant sanctification of God's name. Putting the Jewish people (and Job) through suffering was God's great gamble against Satan, and cosmically, their continued acceptance of God was a greater proof of the truth of Judaism than a triumph on the battlefield. This perhaps sounds surprising. However, if we would possess a consciousness of the truth, we would be able to understand the profound value of our exile and our suffering. It is for the lack of this consciousness of the truth that the king is justified in his criticism of the Jewish people; as the Chaver says, "You have found the place of my shame, King of Khazar" (1:115).
We are sometimes missing an awareness of the significance of the life that we live. We sometimes live with no awareness of our position and no understanding of what is really taking place in our lives. The Jew always knew that he could escape his fate by uttering one word, yet he refused to do it. We must be aware of this heroism, that we accepted our suffering out of love and longing for God. The Jew knows this, yet sometimes he does not know that he knows it.
Rihal teaches us that the suffering of the Jews in exile was a sacrifice for the sake of the Torah. It was a life of martyrdom, the highest level exalted by the Christians and Moslems. Rihal reiterated the principle (2:34, 4:22) that many of the values extolled in Christian and Moslem theology are Jewish values that were fulfilled by the Jewish people. The most obvious example is the section in Yishayahu (52:13-53-12) that speaks of the suffering servant of God. God's suffering servant is actually the Jewish people. The Christians applied this section to their Messiah. Rihal restores the section to its authentic meaning.
Rihal fought against a phenomenon that can be termed stolen identity. The phenomenon has many levels. Christianity claimed to be the true Israel. Islam claimed that the Koran is the authentic holy writ. Our return to the land of Israel was accompanied by a similar process. The Palestinian charter is a reworking of the principles of Zionism.
Despite this re-evaluation of suffering, there is no doubt that it is impossible to discuss history without also speaking from the perspective of chapter 42 of Job. Judaism believes that redemption is assured. It is not possible that God will suffer evil forever. However, we are discussing reality from the perspective of an earlier chapter. We don't have the perspective of the ending. Our generation must view itself as fortunate because we can read the first few verses of the final chapter, the first glimmerings of redemption. We see the course of history changing. Rihal, in contrast, lived at a low point of Jewish history, when the Christians and the Moslems were at the height of their power. Each ruled over half the world and claimed that their success was an expression of divine blessing. Judaism is Job's great gamble against his friends. It is the gamble of the sufferer when redemption is beyond the scope of his horizon. The response of Job/the Jewish people is "Even if He kills me, I still hope to Him" (13:15), and at the same time, "I will wait for [Messiah's] arrival every day."
49d: Cinderella, part 4:
Exile and Redemption
The faith in redemption is paramount in our theology. The Torah, stamped with divine truth, prophesies the redemption of the Jewish people. God has foreknowledge of world history. Therefore, we pray to Him to involve Him in our redemption.
Rihal teaches us that the process of world redemption continues to take place, even while the Jewish people are in exile. Divine providence functions in ways that are mysterious to us, and seem to bring about the complete opposite of redemption. Rihal and the Rambam after him (Rambam, laws of kings, chapter 11), teach us that the mysterious workings of divine providence stand behind the success of Christianity and Islam as well. The message of Judaism was spread to the ends of the earth through these messengers. Thus Rabbi Abraham, son of the Rambam writes in his father's name:
"By keeping my Torah, you will be world leaders, your relation to them as that of a priest to his flock, the world will follow in your footsteps and imitate your actions and follow your paths. This is the explanation I received from my father of blessed memory." (Rabbi Abraham son of the Rambam, commentary on Bereshit and Shemot)
This idea is repeated in Rabbi Bachya ben Asher's "Kad Kemach:"
"And the reason for the dispersion in my opinion...is that the Jews be spread among the nations...and they will teach them the belief in the existence of God and of the divine providence that hovers over every detail of human existence." (Kad Kemach, Redemption)
Later this idea was expressed by Rabbi Chayim ben Betzalel, brother of the Maharal. In his interpretation of the prophecy of Isaiah the servant of God he writes,
"And we may also explain: God wished to oppress the Jews and disperse them among the nations for the sake of the goodness of the other nations who are also the work of His hands; through the Jews who are dispersed throughout the world the true faith will also be spread throughout the world...for God desired the nations also to hold the true faith...for this reason they [the Jews] are called children of Yizrael, [literally, God will plant], for they are the seed that God planted throughout the world, like the person who plants his wheat and does not throw it down in one place but spreads it to all the edges of the fields, so the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the earth, so that through them the true faith would spread throughout the world. (The Book of Life, Book of Redemption and Salvation, chapter 7)
Exile is a trial, a trial that is part of a divine plan of history. However, the proof of the truth lies also in the ending of the book of Job, which closes, despite everything, with redemption. The key to understanding this ending lies in the verse that tells us that God "returned the exiles of Job" (Job 42:10). This verse loses its meaning if it does not create an association with other similar verses: "when God shall return the exiles of Zion...Return, O God, our exiles." The return of the sons and daughters of Job represents the return of the nation after the exile. The end of the book prophesies the redemption, and bears witness that despite everything, history owes a debt to the Jewish people. Ultimately, history will be altered, and the world will witness the redemption and the return.
We cannot think about the history of our ancestors in exile without an awareness of their greatness. However here too, thank God, our situation has changed. We, the modern successors of the Kuzari, must emphasize different things today. These are the ideas Rihal will teach us in the end of the fifth section of the Kuzari. We must understand that in our day the exile is a trap, and our attitude towards it must be one of repudiation and aliya (literally, going up) to Israel. The status of exile today can be summed up in one sentence: exile today is not a punishment, it is a sin.
The Dry Bones
Rihal discusses the question of the fate of the Jewish people in his discussion of the suffering of the individual (3:11). He teaches us that the meaning of suffering for the individual must reflect the meaning of the suffering of the group as well.
"For when the confusions of logic arouse in his heart the length of the exile and the dispersion of the people and the dwindling of their numbers - he must first comfort himself with accepting divinely proscribed fate as I have said, and then with the attempt to punish sins, and then with the reward and punishment which await in the World to Come and cleaving to the Divine Presence in this world."
A third stage is added to the first two responses to suffering. To the philosophical stage in which we accept the meaning of evil, we add the understanding of reward and punishment, and to these we add a third stage, the persuasion that the sufferings of the past build us up towards the future. This is true both with regard to the individual and the nation. To this Rihal adds:
"And if Satan brings him to despair by saying, "shall these bones live?" for our imprint among the nations has been greatly reduced and our memory is forgotten, as it is said, "our bones have dried up we have lost hope, we are doomed," he must think of the miracle of the exodus from Egypt...and then it will not seem impossible to him that we will return to our former state even when there will be only one person left of us, as it is written, "fear not, worm of Ya'akov." for what is left of man after he becomes a worm in his grave?"
Here we meet once again with Rihal the daring commentator. There are many ways that the term "worm of Ya'akov" is commonly explained. Particularly well known is the explanation of the Sages that, like the worm, our power is in our mouths. However, Rihal takes an amazing leap of interpretation here. He takes "worm of Ya'akov" to mean a worm on a dead body, the final sign of life. Despite it all, we will rise again.
Here we see, regarding both the individual and the nation, that suffering is first and foremost a trial. This is in essence Job's question. Job asks the question of suffering, and refuses to accept the standard philosophical answers. Yet, he believes. In next week's lecture, we will analyze the meaning and essence of this faith.....................49e: Cinderella, part 5:
Exile and Redemption
I would like to explain the meaning of Job's faith by means of a contrast between two situations in modern literature. I will bring the first example from a short story by a well-known author, who inherited the Jewish tradition from his parents' home. This tradition has not disappeared despite the power of the evil inclination. He himself is very aware of this struggle, and does not want to lose his Jewish roots. I am speaking of Isaac Bashevis Singer. I will refer to one of his stories, entitled "Zeidlus the First." Zeidlus is of course a Latin play on the Yiddish name Zeidel. Singer tells us of a man named Zeidel, a learned Jew whom Satan attempts to lead astray. All of his initial efforts fail. The regular temptations do not work on Zeidel. However, the temptation of pride is too strong for Zeidel to resist. How does one tempt a Jew with pride? If you convert, says Satan, you will go far; you will become Pope Zeidlus the First. Zeidel falls into the trap. However, his life does not turn out exactly the way Satan promised him.
Rabbi Nachman of Breslov teaches that Satan is like the person who shows a child his closed hand and promises, "if you do such and such I will give you what is in my hand." The child does what he is asked, and afterwards, when the hand opens, the child sees that it is empty.
We will not go into all of Zeidel's adventures. We will only say that he failed at everything, and when Satan appears at the moment of death to take his soul, and Zeidel sees him, he exclaims,
"Is it you Satan, angel of death?"
"Yes Zeidel," replies the Tempter, "I have come for you. And it won't help you to repent or confess, so don't try."
"Where are you taking me?" he asked.
"Straight to Gehenna."
"If there is a Gehenna, there is also a God," Zeidel said, his lips trembling.
"This proves nothing," I retorted.
"Yes it does," he said. "If Hell exists, everything exists. If you are real, He is real. Now take me to where I belong. I am ready."
This idea, of the discovery of God beyond evil, is completely opposed to a message that appears in one of Ingmar Bergman's "philosophical" films, "The Seventh Seal." In the film – which has a Christian background - a knight appears who asks the final questions, and in one of the dialogues of the film someone who has seen the angel of death claims that he looked into his eyes, but beyond them one could see nothing. In contrast to this, the meaning of the story of "Zeidlus the First" is that beyond evil one can see good. This is the great leap that we must take: the leap from the absurd into a meaningful existence.
The Torah concludes with a commandment to study a song and remember it from generation to generation, so that it will exist forever. This is the song of "Hearken" ("Ha'azinu"). The Torah explains that days will come when
"I will hide My face from them and they will be prey, and will be beset by many evils and troubles and they will say on that day, 'it is because my God is not with me that we have been beset by these evils'... And now, write this song for yourselves and teach it to the children of Israel, place it in their mouths, so that this song will be a witness for the Children of Israel." (Devarim 31:17-19)
A time of great suffering will come, and the nation will ask the question, is God indeed among us? Or in a more modern version, "Can one believe in God after Auschwitz?" The Torah commanded us to study this song, so that we will know that despite the pain and evil, God is with us. This is the song that comes to teach us that even in the midst of evil, God is with us.
"How can one [man] chase a thousand and two [men] pursue ten thousand, if their Rock had not sold them, and God had not trapped them." (Devarim 32:30)
Despite everything, the world is not left to its own devices. This is a prophetic promise given to us so that we will not give up hope.
And here I will dare to make the terrible leap, towards the eyes of the Angel of Death. In our generation we have learned something beyond what Rihal has taught us. We can learn about the truth, as Rihal said, from the fact that God revealed himself at Mount Sinai and chose the nation that He loves, the Chosen People, and gave them the Torah. However, to our sorrow, in history there is another way as well. If Satan appeared, and I was indeed certain that he was Satan, I could learn, paradoxically, from him, that the Chosen People are the nation that Satan recognizes and announces to be his enemy. History has shown us many anti-Semites, great and small. However, Satan himself was none other than Nazism. Nazism appeared and, pointing at the Jewish people, announced, "This is my enemy." We have learned that the Jewish people are the Chosen People - from the evidence given by Satan. Satan did not hate the Jews because we were opposed to his political ideas or because we disturbed his plans. The child and the old man, who were powerless to harm anyone, were also Satan's enemies. To some extent, the Holocaust was an Encounter at Auschwitz, parallel to the Encounter at Mount Sinai, in which Satan appeared and showed us the way to the great leap, the need to see beyond the empty eyes of the Angel of Death. Beyond them there is something else. It is not emptiness. Zeidlus the First was right: "If you are real, He is real."
The world understands this logic, even if only subconsciously. We can understand this if we analyze different reactions to the Holocaust. The anti-Semite complains that the Nazis did not finish the job. We are also familiar with the attempts of Nazi sympathizers who want to deny the Holocaust, and sometimes we hear both claims at once. This is one side of the range of responses. However, on the other side we hear more sophisticated denials. For many years we have been witnesses to an attempt, by the Poles for example, to deny the fact that the Jews were the victims of the Holocaust. However, the most evident attempt in this area is without a doubt the establishment of the Carmelite monastery at Auschwitz. Here we are faced with an attempt to rewrite history: Christianity was one of the victims of Auschwitz. The Church did this, for example, by making a Jewish convert to Christianity into a Christian saint. This is because, consciously or subconsciously, everyone whose conscience was not destroyed by Nazism understands that every honest person should have been at Auschwitz. There Satan made the selection. And whoever was not chosen by him to be wiped out, cannot possibly be the chosen one of God.
Cinderella and her sisters
Today we can understand this because of the perspective that we have on the first verses of the last chapter of the book of Job. From this perspective, which stems from a sense that we are at the beginning of the Redemption, we ought to reread the end of the story of Cinderella. How did Cinderella treat her sisters after her rise to greatness? I leave the reader to do his own homework, but I promise him that a look at the various versions will be very interesting. What God expects from Job is clear. God expects Job to pray for his friends who have constantly directed their arrows at him. This is a very difficult moral paradox. However, it helps us to understand the secret of the ending of the book. The redemption of Job represents the return of the Jewish people to their land. The verse actually uses the phrase "returned his exiles" (42:10), which is essentially a national term. Now we also understand another difficulty. His first children are lost to him, yet Job's comfort - a comfort that does not erase the pain - is in his second children. The Holocaust was an event that can never be forgotten, and we are left with problems that cannot be rationally explained away. However, now we see the return of Job's exiles, and the prayer that he wishes for the whole world: may sins, not sinners, be obliterated.
Job's friends, Cinderella's sisters, are the other religions that point an accusing finger at Job: Job, you are suffering, this is proof that you have sinned, this means that God has rejected you. The book ends with the meeting with the prince: "and God returned the exiles of Job" - this is the Redemption.
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53b: A Covenant of Fate, Part 2
Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Psychological Background
Anti-semitism is a multi-faceted phenomenon, which lends itself to various analyses. I would like to demonstrate that the various dimensions of analysis do not contradict one another. In fact, their juxtaposition creates a complete picture. Here we will discuss the first level, the psychological dimension. To explain it, I will use a simple allegory. Psychologists often employ the Rorschach Test in their analysis of patients. The test uses a well-known technique known as the projective technique. The patient is asked to look at a series of pictures and explain what he sees. These pictures have no intrinsic meaning. In fact, they are simply ink blots on paper that created symmetrical designs when the paper was folded in two. As previously mentioned, the pictures do not represent anything, yet people look at them and explain them. The explanations do not exist in the pictures; they exist in the person's mind. This is an opening, through which the psychologists try to enter the inner world of the person, who "projects" what is inside himself onto the pictures.
This mechanism, according to many psychologists, can shed light on the phenomenon of anti-Semitism. The anti- Semite sees in the Jews negative qualities that threaten and endanger him. These characteristics don't exist in the "picture"; they only exist in the mind of the beholder. They are the projections of the anti-Semite, who uses the Jew as a blot of his own making, and upon which he projects the black sides of his inner world. This, in very general terms of course, refers to the psychological background of anti-Semitism. The fact that the Jew is a minority, a foreigner who is relatively easily identified, was a psychological cause that contributed to the choice of the Jew as the screen upon which the anti-Semites threw their fears and hatred. This is actually the explanation for a number of noticeable characteristics of anti-Semitism. We find many types and forms of attacks on Jews. In one place the Jew is described as having one trait, and in another place he is accused of the opposite characteristic. This is true regarding both his personal traits and his social and political traits. Thus, for example, the Jew is portrayed as the capitalist trying to take over the world, and on the other hand as the revolutionary, who is attempting to weaken the power of wealth and utterly abolish personal ownership. The fact that we are faced with a psychological phenomenon means that we must not search for logic here. All anti-Semites project their various and contradictory fears upon the Jew.
Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Social Basis
Whoever thinks that this analysis has exhausted the topic of anti-Semitism is fooling himself. Anti-Semitism is a social, not an individual, phenomenon. In addition to its psychological aspects, we must study anti-Semitism from its social and general perspectives as well. A view of history and philosophy in recent generations will be of help in our attempt. Let us therefore move on to the second level of our analysis, the collective, political and social level. Until now we have examined a phenomenon that has already been expressed by the earliest thinkers of the last century. They viewed anti-Semitism as part of Xenophobia, and indeed, the phenomena we have expressed until now are merely details within a much larger context, that of the strains that exist between various groups, between the majority and the minority, and even between various races who live together within one society. From this perspective, there is no essential difference between the hatred of Jews and the hostility that exists towards other races, such as blacks. However, this is but one level of the explanation. Until now we have identified the roots of the problem, and its individual expressions.
If anti-Semitism were only an individual psychological phenomenon, it would be similar to other forms of discrimination and hostility; however, in the modern world anti-Semitism takes on a different hue. Various groups have used it for political purposes. We can trace clear attempts to use psychological hostility – which, it seems, has deep religious roots – to forward political aims. Thus, modern anti-Semitism was born, and acquired a more and more tragic and satanic form. The widespread use of this technique began in Czarist Russia, in the struggle to smother those revolutionary attempts that finally toppled the Czarist rule. Through the Czarist secret police, the rulers attempted to identify revolutionary action with the activities of the Jews. The rulers of Czarist Russia fought against certain phenomena, and in this fight they created a kind of equation, which was supposed to prove their claims. The Czarist secret police created one of the documents that became an anti-Semitic classic, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This book reveals the so-called secret plan weaved by the leaders of the Jews, to take over the entire world. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" became a holy book among the anti-Semites.
"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was simply a rewriting of a French book that attributed ambitions to take over the world to Napoleon. This booklet is called "a dialogue in hell between Machiavelli and Montasque," or "Politics of the Nineteenth Century." These accusations were not at all directed towards the Jews and Judaism. However, the dialogue was adopted and transformed into the protocols of an imaginary group whose members were the world leaders of Judaism, attempting to take over the politics of various European countries.
Even the Czar himself, Nikolai the Second, although far from bearing the Jews any fond feelings, saw that the book was a fake and opposed its publication. Despite this, the first Russian edition appeared in 1905. A number of years later, other editions began to appear. Some of the editions were altered and corrected in order to make it possible to accuse the Jews of various catastrophes that took place between one edition and another. At various opportunities, it became the topic of public court cases, in which the book was proved to be a forgery. However, this of course did not check the book's growing popularity, particularly in the wake of the Nazi influence. The book influenced various writers, who were mistakenly taken in and convinced of its authenticity. Thus, for example, Henry Ford was inspired by "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to write "The International Jew," in which he continues these accusations. Various other books were written in its wake until recent years.
This is an example of a lie and forgery that the power of truth could not effectually surmount. This abominable book became a justification of Nazism and the genocide that followed in its wake. This is an example of the phenomena that we must deal with. Forgeries spread throughout the world, and people are convinced.
49c: Cinderella, part 3:
The book of Job represents the conflict between Judaism and the other central religions. Both Islam and Christianity, throughout the generations, have continually employed a claim in the anti-Jewish argument that can be termed "the exile proof." The success of these religions is seemingly a proof that God is on their side. I propose to prove the opposite theory, that it is the anti-hero who is God's ally.
Our forefathers knew that the exile was a trial to be overcome. The Jew refuses to accept the claims of his friends; he insists upon the justice of his path. This insistence has a sublimity to it, which is expressed in the Jewish existence in exile. The members of the Great Assembly recognized this when they coined the phrase we use in our prayers, "the great mighty and awesome God." When the prophets saw the destruction, they omitted parts of the formula one by one, and questioned His might and greatness. These omissions are built upon the approach that says that truth is revealed on the battlefield, or through political or financial success. The members of the Great Assembly re-instituted the authentic phrase "the great, mighty and awesome God" and claimed that paradoxically, through Jewish existence in exile, God's greatness and might are expressed. On the one hand, the irrational existence of the Jews in exile is the miraculous existence of one lamb among seventy wolves. Yet on the other hand, the exile expresses the fact that the Jewish people accepted the yoke of Heaven, not from a state where God made sure they lacked for nothing, not from a state of military success or financial abundance, but from poverty and suffering, without even the hope of change in the foreseeable future.
Cinderella's sisters found proof of their preferred status in their success. However, their success was, of course, helped by the sword. Christianity and Islam used the sword, and their covenant with the sword, to take over the world. Job, who worships God within his suffering, reaches the highest level of divine worship. Whenever Jews chose to suffer rather than utter the one traitorous word that could have altered their fate, it was a constant sanctification of God's name. Putting the Jewish people (and Job) through suffering was God's great gamble against Satan, and cosmically, their continued acceptance of God was a greater proof of the truth of Judaism than a triumph on the battlefield. This perhaps sounds surprising. However, if we would possess a consciousness of the truth, we would be able to understand the profound value of our exile and our suffering. It is for the lack of this consciousness of the truth that the king is justified in his criticism of the Jewish people; as the Chaver says, "You have found the place of my shame, King of Khazar" (1:115).
We are sometimes missing an awareness of the significance of the life that we live. We sometimes live with no awareness of our position and no understanding of what is really taking place in our lives. The Jew always knew that he could escape his fate by uttering one word, yet he refused to do it. We must be aware of this heroism, that we accepted our suffering out of love and longing for God. The Jew knows this, yet sometimes he does not know that he knows it.
Rihal teaches us that the suffering of the Jews in exile was a sacrifice for the sake of the Torah. It was a life of martyrdom, the highest level exalted by the Christians and Moslems. Rihal reiterated the principle (2:34, 4:22) that many of the values extolled in Christian and Moslem theology are Jewish values that were fulfilled by the Jewish people. The most obvious example is the section in Yishayahu (52:13-53-12) that speaks of the suffering servant of God. God's suffering servant is actually the Jewish people. The Christians applied this section to their Messiah. Rihal restores the section to its authentic meaning.
Rihal fought against a phenomenon that can be termed stolen identity. The phenomenon has many levels. Christianity claimed to be the true Israel. Islam claimed that the Koran is the authentic holy writ. Our return to the land of Israel was accompanied by a similar process. The Palestinian charter is a reworking of the principles of Zionism.
Despite this re-evaluation of suffering, there is no doubt that it is impossible to discuss history without also speaking from the perspective of chapter 42 of Job. Judaism believes that redemption is assured. It is not possible that God will suffer evil forever. However, we are discussing reality from the perspective of an earlier chapter. We don't have the perspective of the ending. Our generation must view itself as fortunate because we can read the first few verses of the final chapter, the first glimmerings of redemption. We see the course of history changing. Rihal, in contrast, lived at a low point of Jewish history, when the Christians and the Moslems were at the height of their power. Each ruled over half the world and claimed that their success was an expression of divine blessing. Judaism is Job's great gamble against his friends. It is the gamble of the sufferer when redemption is beyond the scope of his horizon. The response of Job/the Jewish people is "Even if He kills me, I still hope to Him" (13:15), and at the same time, "I will wait for [Messiah's] arrival every day."
49d: Cinderella, part 4:
Exile and Redemption
The faith in redemption is paramount in our theology. The Torah, stamped with divine truth, prophesies the redemption of the Jewish people. God has foreknowledge of world history. Therefore, we pray to Him to involve Him in our redemption.
Rihal teaches us that the process of world redemption continues to take place, even while the Jewish people are in exile. Divine providence functions in ways that are mysterious to us, and seem to bring about the complete opposite of redemption. Rihal and the Rambam after him (Rambam, laws of kings, chapter 11), teach us that the mysterious workings of divine providence stand behind the success of Christianity and Islam as well. The message of Judaism was spread to the ends of the earth through these messengers. Thus Rabbi Abraham, son of the Rambam writes in his father's name:
"By keeping my Torah, you will be world leaders, your relation to them as that of a priest to his flock, the world will follow in your footsteps and imitate your actions and follow your paths. This is the explanation I received from my father of blessed memory." (Rabbi Abraham son of the Rambam, commentary on Bereshit and Shemot)
This idea is repeated in Rabbi Bachya ben Asher's "Kad Kemach:"
"And the reason for the dispersion in my opinion...is that the Jews be spread among the nations...and they will teach them the belief in the existence of God and of the divine providence that hovers over every detail of human existence." (Kad Kemach, Redemption)
Later this idea was expressed by Rabbi Chayim ben Betzalel, brother of the Maharal. In his interpretation of the prophecy of Isaiah the servant of God he writes,
"And we may also explain: God wished to oppress the Jews and disperse them among the nations for the sake of the goodness of the other nations who are also the work of His hands; through the Jews who are dispersed throughout the world the true faith will also be spread throughout the world...for God desired the nations also to hold the true faith...for this reason they [the Jews] are called children of Yizrael, [literally, God will plant], for they are the seed that God planted throughout the world, like the person who plants his wheat and does not throw it down in one place but spreads it to all the edges of the fields, so the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the earth, so that through them the true faith would spread throughout the world. (The Book of Life, Book of Redemption and Salvation, chapter 7)
Exile is a trial, a trial that is part of a divine plan of history. However, the proof of the truth lies also in the ending of the book of Job, which closes, despite everything, with redemption. The key to understanding this ending lies in the verse that tells us that God "returned the exiles of Job" (Job 42:10). This verse loses its meaning if it does not create an association with other similar verses: "when God shall return the exiles of Zion...Return, O God, our exiles." The return of the sons and daughters of Job represents the return of the nation after the exile. The end of the book prophesies the redemption, and bears witness that despite everything, history owes a debt to the Jewish people. Ultimately, history will be altered, and the world will witness the redemption and the return.
We cannot think about the history of our ancestors in exile without an awareness of their greatness. However here too, thank God, our situation has changed. We, the modern successors of the Kuzari, must emphasize different things today. These are the ideas Rihal will teach us in the end of the fifth section of the Kuzari. We must understand that in our day the exile is a trap, and our attitude towards it must be one of repudiation and aliya (literally, going up) to Israel. The status of exile today can be summed up in one sentence: exile today is not a punishment, it is a sin.
The Dry Bones
Rihal discusses the question of the fate of the Jewish people in his discussion of the suffering of the individual (3:11). He teaches us that the meaning of suffering for the individual must reflect the meaning of the suffering of the group as well.
"For when the confusions of logic arouse in his heart the length of the exile and the dispersion of the people and the dwindling of their numbers - he must first comfort himself with accepting divinely proscribed fate as I have said, and then with the attempt to punish sins, and then with the reward and punishment which await in the World to Come and cleaving to the Divine Presence in this world."
A third stage is added to the first two responses to suffering. To the philosophical stage in which we accept the meaning of evil, we add the understanding of reward and punishment, and to these we add a third stage, the persuasion that the sufferings of the past build us up towards the future. This is true both with regard to the individual and the nation. To this Rihal adds:
"And if Satan brings him to despair by saying, "shall these bones live?" for our imprint among the nations has been greatly reduced and our memory is forgotten, as it is said, "our bones have dried up we have lost hope, we are doomed," he must think of the miracle of the exodus from Egypt...and then it will not seem impossible to him that we will return to our former state even when there will be only one person left of us, as it is written, "fear not, worm of Ya'akov." for what is left of man after he becomes a worm in his grave?"
Here we meet once again with Rihal the daring commentator. There are many ways that the term "worm of Ya'akov" is commonly explained. Particularly well known is the explanation of the Sages that, like the worm, our power is in our mouths. However, Rihal takes an amazing leap of interpretation here. He takes "worm of Ya'akov" to mean a worm on a dead body, the final sign of life. Despite it all, we will rise again.
Here we see, regarding both the individual and the nation, that suffering is first and foremost a trial. This is in essence Job's question. Job asks the question of suffering, and refuses to accept the standard philosophical answers. Yet, he believes. In next week's lecture, we will analyze the meaning and essence of this faith.....................49e: Cinderella, part 5:
Exile and Redemption
I would like to explain the meaning of Job's faith by means of a contrast between two situations in modern literature. I will bring the first example from a short story by a well-known author, who inherited the Jewish tradition from his parents' home. This tradition has not disappeared despite the power of the evil inclination. He himself is very aware of this struggle, and does not want to lose his Jewish roots. I am speaking of Isaac Bashevis Singer. I will refer to one of his stories, entitled "Zeidlus the First." Zeidlus is of course a Latin play on the Yiddish name Zeidel. Singer tells us of a man named Zeidel, a learned Jew whom Satan attempts to lead astray. All of his initial efforts fail. The regular temptations do not work on Zeidel. However, the temptation of pride is too strong for Zeidel to resist. How does one tempt a Jew with pride? If you convert, says Satan, you will go far; you will become Pope Zeidlus the First. Zeidel falls into the trap. However, his life does not turn out exactly the way Satan promised him.
Rabbi Nachman of Breslov teaches that Satan is like the person who shows a child his closed hand and promises, "if you do such and such I will give you what is in my hand." The child does what he is asked, and afterwards, when the hand opens, the child sees that it is empty.
We will not go into all of Zeidel's adventures. We will only say that he failed at everything, and when Satan appears at the moment of death to take his soul, and Zeidel sees him, he exclaims,
"Is it you Satan, angel of death?"
"Yes Zeidel," replies the Tempter, "I have come for you. And it won't help you to repent or confess, so don't try."
"Where are you taking me?" he asked.
"Straight to Gehenna."
"If there is a Gehenna, there is also a God," Zeidel said, his lips trembling.
"This proves nothing," I retorted.
"Yes it does," he said. "If Hell exists, everything exists. If you are real, He is real. Now take me to where I belong. I am ready."
This idea, of the discovery of God beyond evil, is completely opposed to a message that appears in one of Ingmar Bergman's "philosophical" films, "The Seventh Seal." In the film – which has a Christian background - a knight appears who asks the final questions, and in one of the dialogues of the film someone who has seen the angel of death claims that he looked into his eyes, but beyond them one could see nothing. In contrast to this, the meaning of the story of "Zeidlus the First" is that beyond evil one can see good. This is the great leap that we must take: the leap from the absurd into a meaningful existence.
The Torah concludes with a commandment to study a song and remember it from generation to generation, so that it will exist forever. This is the song of "Hearken" ("Ha'azinu"). The Torah explains that days will come when
"I will hide My face from them and they will be prey, and will be beset by many evils and troubles and they will say on that day, 'it is because my God is not with me that we have been beset by these evils'... And now, write this song for yourselves and teach it to the children of Israel, place it in their mouths, so that this song will be a witness for the Children of Israel." (Devarim 31:17-19)
A time of great suffering will come, and the nation will ask the question, is God indeed among us? Or in a more modern version, "Can one believe in God after Auschwitz?" The Torah commanded us to study this song, so that we will know that despite the pain and evil, God is with us. This is the song that comes to teach us that even in the midst of evil, God is with us.
"How can one [man] chase a thousand and two [men] pursue ten thousand, if their Rock had not sold them, and God had not trapped them." (Devarim 32:30)
Despite everything, the world is not left to its own devices. This is a prophetic promise given to us so that we will not give up hope.
And here I will dare to make the terrible leap, towards the eyes of the Angel of Death. In our generation we have learned something beyond what Rihal has taught us. We can learn about the truth, as Rihal said, from the fact that God revealed himself at Mount Sinai and chose the nation that He loves, the Chosen People, and gave them the Torah. However, to our sorrow, in history there is another way as well. If Satan appeared, and I was indeed certain that he was Satan, I could learn, paradoxically, from him, that the Chosen People are the nation that Satan recognizes and announces to be his enemy. History has shown us many anti-Semites, great and small. However, Satan himself was none other than Nazism. Nazism appeared and, pointing at the Jewish people, announced, "This is my enemy." We have learned that the Jewish people are the Chosen People - from the evidence given by Satan. Satan did not hate the Jews because we were opposed to his political ideas or because we disturbed his plans. The child and the old man, who were powerless to harm anyone, were also Satan's enemies. To some extent, the Holocaust was an Encounter at Auschwitz, parallel to the Encounter at Mount Sinai, in which Satan appeared and showed us the way to the great leap, the need to see beyond the empty eyes of the Angel of Death. Beyond them there is something else. It is not emptiness. Zeidlus the First was right: "If you are real, He is real."
The world understands this logic, even if only subconsciously. We can understand this if we analyze different reactions to the Holocaust. The anti-Semite complains that the Nazis did not finish the job. We are also familiar with the attempts of Nazi sympathizers who want to deny the Holocaust, and sometimes we hear both claims at once. This is one side of the range of responses. However, on the other side we hear more sophisticated denials. For many years we have been witnesses to an attempt, by the Poles for example, to deny the fact that the Jews were the victims of the Holocaust. However, the most evident attempt in this area is without a doubt the establishment of the Carmelite monastery at Auschwitz. Here we are faced with an attempt to rewrite history: Christianity was one of the victims of Auschwitz. The Church did this, for example, by making a Jewish convert to Christianity into a Christian saint. This is because, consciously or subconsciously, everyone whose conscience was not destroyed by Nazism understands that every honest person should have been at Auschwitz. There Satan made the selection. And whoever was not chosen by him to be wiped out, cannot possibly be the chosen one of God.
Cinderella and her sisters
Today we can understand this because of the perspective that we have on the first verses of the last chapter of the book of Job. From this perspective, which stems from a sense that we are at the beginning of the Redemption, we ought to reread the end of the story of Cinderella. How did Cinderella treat her sisters after her rise to greatness? I leave the reader to do his own homework, but I promise him that a look at the various versions will be very interesting. What God expects from Job is clear. God expects Job to pray for his friends who have constantly directed their arrows at him. This is a very difficult moral paradox. However, it helps us to understand the secret of the ending of the book. The redemption of Job represents the return of the Jewish people to their land. The verse actually uses the phrase "returned his exiles" (42:10), which is essentially a national term. Now we also understand another difficulty. His first children are lost to him, yet Job's comfort - a comfort that does not erase the pain - is in his second children. The Holocaust was an event that can never be forgotten, and we are left with problems that cannot be rationally explained away. However, now we see the return of Job's exiles, and the prayer that he wishes for the whole world: may sins, not sinners, be obliterated.
Job's friends, Cinderella's sisters, are the other religions that point an accusing finger at Job: Job, you are suffering, this is proof that you have sinned, this means that God has rejected you. The book ends with the meeting with the prince: "and God returned the exiles of Job" - this is the Redemption.
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Stanley Melbourne Bruce's Cigarette Case
Stanley Melbourne Bruce was born into a wealthy commercial family,
and was an outstanding athlete at school and later Cambridge University,
where he qualified as a barrister.
He was in England when war was declared in 1914, and enlisted in the
British Army. He was awarded the Military Cross, a high order award for
bravery in battle, at Gallipoli.
He was wounded and returned to Australia in 1917. He entered the
Commonwealth Parliament in 1918, and served as Treasurer,
and then Prime Minister.
He served as Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain between
1933 and 1945.
Until the day he died, Stanley Melbourne Bruce
kept two photographs in his study – one of his wife and one of
Turkish President Mustafa
Kemal Atatürk, the founder of the modern Turkish state.
As young men they were enemies at Gallipoli, but during the post-war years
of international reconstruction, they forged a mutual admiration as
passionate advocates of secularism. After the League of Nations Montreux
conference in 1936, that successfully organised the international
passage or warships through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits of
Turkey,
Atatürk presented Bruce with a gold cigarette case,
which he treasured for the rest of his life.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce (1883 – 1967) was
Prime Minister of Australia from February 1923 to October 1929.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce’s
cigarette case is held at the National Archives of Australia in Canberra
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Gold cigarette case from the Duke and Duchess of York
Albert,
the Duke of York (later King George VI)
formally opened Parliament
House in Canberra on 9 May 1927.
To mark the occasion, the Duke and
Duchess
presented Prime Minister Bruce with a gold cigarette case
featuring a diamond monogram ‘EA’ –
Elizabeth and Albert.
(Photographer: Angus Kendon)......BUT,
HE KEPT Atatürk's as his Life Long Treasure...
...but 'they' have ALWAYS IGNORED THESE REAL CONNECTIONS
BETWEEN REAL WORLD CHANGERS...even though 'they' could play
'their' MISLEADING GAME of TWISTING WORDS & MEANINGS,
that 'just happens' to tie in with 'their',
BACARDI/BAT/BATMAN/JOKER 'links' in those posts...
i.e. BRUCE (Wayne)=MELBOURNE=BATMAN...
John Batman (21 January 1801 – 6 May 1839)...
When he found the current site of central Melbourne he noted in his diary,
"This will be the place for a village."[1][2]
and declared the land "Batmania"...
was an Australian grazier,
businessman and explorer who is best known for
his role in the founding of a settlement which became Melbourne
and the colony of Victoria.
1880s Artist impression of Batman's Treaty being signed
His parents, William and Mary Batman, came to Sydney in 1797 aboard the Ganges.
John was born in 1801 at Rosehill, Parramatta (now a suburb of Sydney).
In 1821 John and brother Henry journeyed to
Van Diemen's Land (now known as Tasmania)
to settle on land in the north-east near Ben Lomond
LOTS here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman
Bust of Stanley Bruce by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the Prime Minister's Avenue in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens
Maritime Industries crisis
Prime Minister Bruce holding a meeting with Prime Minister-elect Scullin a day before Scullin's swearing in.
...An independent liberal candidate's preferences flowed mostly to
Holloway, thus making Bruce the first sitting Prime Minister to lose his
seat. The only other sitting Australian prime minister to be defeated
in his own electorate is John Howard, at the 2007 election.
Bruce divided the rest of his life between London and Melbourne. He
remained Australian High Commissioner until 1945; subsequently he
represented Australia on various UN bodies, and his name was considered
for the position of United Nations Secretary-General.
He was the chairman of the World Food Council for five years.
Bruce was appointed as the first Chancellor of the Australian National University
and served from 1951 until 1961.
...funny to, that WIKI's "RANDOM" articles, brought me here last night:
Fisken was born at Ballarat, Victoria,
to grazier Archibald James Fisken and Beatrice Mary, née Wanliss.
He
attended E.N. Maryatt's Church of England Grammar School for Boys,
Ballarat College
and Geelong Church of England Grammar School
before his 1916 commission in the Royal Field Artillery.
He served on the Western Front from 1916 to 1918;
in 1918 he was awarded the Military Cross and promoted to lieutenant,
although he was also wounded.
Returning from the war, Fisken maintained the family property
(Lal Lal, in the family since 1846) at Yendon.
He was elected to the Buninyong Shire
Council in 1922
and remained a councillor until his death,
being
president 1931-32, 1946-47, 1957-58 and 1966-67.
He was prominent in the
community, both as a sportsman
and as a pastoralist.
He married Elspeth
Anne Cameron on 20 February 1924 at Ross, Tasmania.
Fisken retired from parliament in 1937, stating that
he wished to focus on his appointment as
chairman of the Australian Meat Board.
His grandson is
Liberal Senator Michael Ronaldson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Fisken
...and sorry, 'they' have REMOVED KEY Images again, but these,
from 2008 & 2009, are examples of what
REAL, CURRENT CONNECTIONS, IN THE REAL WORLD,
'they' have and continue to ignore...
while PROMOTING 'themselves' "AS GODS"...
Quote:
cori
Will your awkward obsession with me ever stop, Jealousily?
____________________________________________________
Will you ever stop believing
"YOU" ARE The "CORE" of ALL Things GERMANIC
and CONTROL THE WHOLE WORLD and
ALL LANGUAGES...I'm posting about what NONE
of "Your Team" DARE post and
ALWAYS FLOOD OVER when I DO...
The DIRECT, ACTUAL Connection between
KRAFT, VEGEMITE, WAR, BALLARAT and MY HOME
in YENDON, ex East BUNINYONG=CANAAN,
as REVEALED through GOD'S Word and
THE OLDEST LANGUAGES of Australian Natives,
the Oldest Peoples who's History of CREATION
FITS GENESIS.
yes, that's right, reminding folk of yet more
FUTURE NEWS, it HELPS People to KNOW in Advance,
that "you"/"they" BURY under more CODED MESSAGES
TO "Lone Nutters" to go out on SLAUGHTER Sprees.
August 6From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2011 – A student is sitting on her couch with a wool sweater and socks in Ankara at 3 a.m.
...Ankara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara - Cached
Ankara is the capital of Turkey and the country's second largest city
after Istanbul. The city has a mean elevation of 938 metres (3077 ft),
and as of 2010 ...
Images for Ankara
imgankara4.jpg
swotti.com
500 × 361 - Swotti - Versus Ankara
The Guardian
Ankara Outlines New Role of Military
Wall Street Journal - 2 days ago
By
MARC CHAMPION ISTANBUL—
Turkey's government on Wednesday began laying out details of
the civil-military order they want to see, making it clear even ...
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The Underground Cities of Cappadocia
Leaving Ankara and
passing by the muddy shores of Tuz Gölü (Salt Lake), the first sight of
major interest that you will stumble upon the venerable Cappadoccia
(Kapadokya), the mythical "land of the horses." High up on the Anatolian
Plateau, the barren hills of Cappadoccia seem like something more out
of a fantasy novel than a prime tourist destination, but it is one of
Turkey’s more spectacular and visited sights. It is a land full of
mysterious rock formations and underground cities used by medieval
Byzantines as safe havens during times of attack. A land full of UNESCO
Heritage sights, in Cappadoccia, you will undoubtedly delight as you
wend your way through underground castles, admire the ra...Read More
Topics:
Ankara
http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ankara
Turkey foils Al Qaeda plot against U.S. Embassy
in Ankara, uncovers bomb-making chemicals, rifles
BY Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 14th 2011, 4:00 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/14/2011-07-14_turkey_foils_qaeda_plot_against_us_embassy.html#ixzz1UDRWuphK
Ankara must lead the pressure against Damascus
Moammar Gadhafi further helped international consciousness
to be garnered when he threatened publicly to wipe out rebels
in Benghazi and consequently assured a rapid United Nations
Security Council resolution to be passed to legitimize the military...
Full Article at Hurriet Daily News
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 2
"NINNY" alright...the lot of 'them'...
__________________________
Quote: ninny...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2816
Originally Posted by tintin THANKSGIVING means TURKEYS. |
___________________________________________________________________
Stanley Melbourne Bruce's Cigarette Case
Stanley Melbourne Bruce was born into a wealthy commercial family,
and was an outstanding athlete at school and later Cambridge University,
where he qualified as a barrister.
He was in England when war was declared in 1914, and enlisted in the
British Army. He was awarded the Military Cross, a high order award for
bravery in battle, at Gallipoli.
He was wounded and returned to Australia in 1917. He entered the
Commonwealth Parliament in 1918, and served as Treasurer,
and then Prime Minister.
He served as Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain between
1933 and 1945.
Until the day he died, Stanley Melbourne Bruce
kept two photographs in his study – one of his wife and one of
Turkish President Mustafa
Kemal Atatürk, the founder of the modern Turkish state.
As young men they were enemies at Gallipoli, but during the post-war years
of international reconstruction, they forged a mutual admiration as
passionate advocates of secularism. After the League of Nations Montreux
conference in 1936, that successfully organised the international
passage or warships through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits of
Turkey,
Atatürk presented Bruce with a gold cigarette case,
which he treasured for the rest of his life.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce (1883 – 1967) was
Prime Minister of Australia from February 1923 to October 1929.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce’s
cigarette case is held at the National Archives of Australia in Canberra
http://dl.nfsa.gov.au/module/1174/
Gold cigarette case from the Duke and Duchess of York
Albert,
the Duke of York (later King George VI)
formally opened Parliament
House in Canberra on 9 May 1927.
To mark the occasion, the Duke and
Duchess
presented Prime Minister Bruce with a gold cigarette case
featuring a diamond monogram ‘EA’ –
Elizabeth and Albert.
(Photographer: Angus Kendon)......BUT,
HE KEPT Atatürk's as his Life Long Treasure...
...but 'they' have ALWAYS IGNORED THESE REAL CONNECTIONS
BETWEEN REAL WORLD CHANGERS...even though 'they' could play
'their' MISLEADING GAME of TWISTING WORDS & MEANINGS,
that 'just happens' to tie in with 'their',
BACARDI/BAT/BATMAN/JOKER 'links' in those posts...
i.e. BRUCE (Wayne)=MELBOURNE=BATMAN...
John Batman (21 January 1801 – 6 May 1839)...
When he found the current site of central Melbourne he noted in his diary,
"This will be the place for a village."[1][2]
and declared the land "Batmania"...
was an Australian grazier,
businessman and explorer who is best known for
his role in the founding of a settlement which became Melbourne
and the colony of Victoria.
1880s Artist impression of Batman's Treaty being signedHis parents, William and Mary Batman, came to Sydney in 1797 aboard the Ganges.
John was born in 1801 at Rosehill, Parramatta (now a suburb of Sydney).
In 1821 John and brother Henry journeyed to
Van Diemen's Land (now known as Tasmania)
to settle on land in the north-east near Ben Lomond
LOTS here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman
Bust of Stanley Bruce by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the Prime Minister's Avenue in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens
Maritime Industries crisis
Prime Minister Bruce holding a meeting with Prime Minister-elect Scullin a day before Scullin's swearing in.
...An independent liberal candidate's preferences flowed mostly to
Holloway, thus making Bruce the first sitting Prime Minister to lose his
seat. The only other sitting Australian prime minister to be defeated
in his own electorate is John Howard, at the 2007 election.
Bruce divided the rest of his life between London and Melbourne. He
remained Australian High Commissioner until 1945; subsequently he
represented Australia on various UN bodies, and his name was considered
for the position of United Nations Secretary-General.
He was the chairman of the World Food Council for five years.
Bruce was appointed as the first Chancellor of the Australian National University
and served from 1951 until 1961.
...funny to, that WIKI's "RANDOM" articles, brought me here last night:
| Archibald Fisken CMG OBE | |
 | |
Member of the Australian Parliament for Ballaarat |
to grazier Archibald James Fisken and Beatrice Mary, née Wanliss.
He
attended E.N. Maryatt's Church of England Grammar School for Boys,
Ballarat College
and Geelong Church of England Grammar School
before his 1916 commission in the Royal Field Artillery.
He served on the Western Front from 1916 to 1918;
in 1918 he was awarded the Military Cross and promoted to lieutenant,
although he was also wounded.
Returning from the war, Fisken maintained the family property
(Lal Lal, in the family since 1846) at Yendon.
He was elected to the Buninyong Shire
Council in 1922
and remained a councillor until his death,
being
president 1931-32, 1946-47, 1957-58 and 1966-67.
He was prominent in the
community, both as a sportsman
and as a pastoralist.
He married Elspeth
Anne Cameron on 20 February 1924 at Ross, Tasmania.
Fisken retired from parliament in 1937, stating that
he wished to focus on his appointment as
chairman of the Australian Meat Board.
His grandson is
Liberal Senator Michael Ronaldson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Fisken
...and sorry, 'they' have REMOVED KEY Images again, but these,
from 2008 & 2009, are examples of what
REAL, CURRENT CONNECTIONS, IN THE REAL WORLD,
'they' have and continue to ignore...
while PROMOTING 'themselves' "AS GODS"...
Quote:
cori
| Yep, those 'KRAFTY KRAUTS' invent an excuse to make a FALSE 'Israel', with their JEW SLAUGHTER, then jump on the RAT LINE to CONTINUE Their EVILS PROMOTING America as 'The Land', while quietly continuing to TAKE OVER THE REAL ZION, by Stealth... Kraft consumes Cadbury as Brown warns no UK job cuts 19/01 20:00 CET Food http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/19/k...o-uk-job-cuts/ ...oh, and also ask yourselves WHY, after years of highlighting the SMART INVESTMENTS that 'experts' advise AGAINST, that cori could NEVER acknowledge my posts, other than to spit vile, hate filled, bitter, BALD FACED LIES about my character, AND ASK FOR ME TO BE BEATEN, AGAIN...IF, "cori" does want The, TRUE FUTURE NEWS, 'Out There'... http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...p?p=1058301387 |
Will your awkward obsession with me ever stop, Jealousily?
____________________________________________________
Will you ever stop believing
"YOU" ARE The "CORE" of ALL Things GERMANIC
and CONTROL THE WHOLE WORLD and
ALL LANGUAGES...I'm posting about what NONE
of "Your Team" DARE post and
ALWAYS FLOOD OVER when I DO...
The DIRECT, ACTUAL Connection between
KRAFT, VEGEMITE, WAR, BALLARAT and MY HOME
in YENDON, ex East BUNINYONG=CANAAN,
as REVEALED through GOD'S Word and
THE OLDEST LANGUAGES of Australian Natives,
the Oldest Peoples who's History of CREATION
FITS GENESIS.
yes, that's right, reminding folk of yet more
FUTURE NEWS, it HELPS People to KNOW in Advance,
that "you"/"they" BURY under more CODED MESSAGES
TO "Lone Nutters" to go out on SLAUGHTER Sprees.
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Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:54 pm
true lilly wrote:...mmm...yesss...strange news...
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2011 – A student is sitting on her couch with a wool sweater and socks in Ankara at 3 a.m.
Ankara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara - Cached
Ankara is the capital of Turkey and the country's second largest city
after Istanbul. The city has a mean elevation of 938 metres (3077 ft),
and as of 2010 ...
Images for AnkaraNews for Ankara
imgankara4.jpg
swotti.com
500 × 361 - Swotti - Versus Ankara
The Guardian
Ankara Outlines New Role of Military
Wall Street Journal - 2 days ago
By
MARC CHAMPION ISTANBUL—
Turkey's government on Wednesday began laying out details of
the civil-military order they want to see, making it clear even ...
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225 related articles
Turkey absent again from naval drills with Israel, US
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Ankara - Cappadocia - Tarsus Adana -
The Underground Cities of Cappadocia
Leaving Ankara and
passing by the muddy shores of Tuz Gölü (Salt Lake), the first sight of
major interest that you will stumble upon the venerable Cappadoccia
(Kapadokya), the mythical "land of the horses." High up on the Anatolian
Plateau, the barren hills of Cappadoccia seem like something more out
of a fantasy novel than a prime tourist destination, but it is one of
Turkey’s more spectacular and visited sights. It is a land full of
mysterious rock formations and underground cities used by medieval
Byzantines as safe havens during times of attack. A land full of UNESCO
Heritage sights, in Cappadoccia, you will undoubtedly delight as you
wend your way through underground castles, admire the ra...Read More
Topics:
Ankara
http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ankara
Turkey foils Al Qaeda plot against U.S. Embassy
in Ankara, uncovers bomb-making chemicals, rifles
BY Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 14th 2011, 4:00 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/14/2011-07-14_turkey_foils_qaeda_plot_against_us_embassy.html#ixzz1UDRWuphK
Ankara must lead the pressure against Damascus
Moammar Gadhafi further helped international consciousness
to be garnered when he threatened publicly to wipe out rebels
in Benghazi and consequently assured a rapid United Nations
Security Council resolution to be passed to legitimize the military...
Full Article at Hurriet Daily News
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 2
"NINNY" alright...the lot of 'them'...
__________________________
Quote: ninny...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2816
rofl. does she have an iPhone in her hand?
Originally Posted by tintin
___________________________________________________________________
Stanley Melbourne Bruce's Cigarette Case
Stanley Melbourne Bruce was born into a wealthy commercial family,
and was an outstanding athlete at school and later Cambridge University,
where he qualified as a barrister.
He was in England when war was declared in 1914, and enlisted in the
British Army. He was awarded the Military Cross, a high order award for
bravery in battle, at Gallipoli.
He was wounded and returned to Australia in 1917. He entered the
Commonwealth Parliament in 1918, and served as Treasurer,
and then Prime Minister.
He served as Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain between
1933 and 1945.
Until the day he died,
Stanley Melbourne Bruce
kept two photographs in his study –
one of his wife and one of
Turkish President Mustafa Kemal Atatürk,
the founder of the modern Turkish state.
As young men they were enemies at Gallipoli, but during the post-war years
of international reconstruction, they forged a mutual admiration as
passionate advocates of secularism.
After the League of Nations Montreux conference in 1936,
that successfully organised the international passage of warships
through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits of Turkey,
Atatürk presented Bruce
with a gold cigarette case, which
he treasured for the rest of his life.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce (1883 – 1967) was
Prime Minister of Australia from February 1923 to October 1929
Stanley Melbourne Bruce’s cigarette case is held
at the National Archives of Australia in Canberra
http://dl.nfsa.gov.au/module/1174/
Gold cigarette case from the Duke and Duchess of York
Albert,
the Duke of York (later King George VI)
formally opened Parliament
House in Canberra on 9 May 1927.
To mark the occasion, the Duke and
Duchess presented Prime Minister Bruce
with a gold cigarette case
featuring a diamond monogram ‘EA’ –
Elizabeth and Albert.
(Photographer: Angus Kendon)......
BUT... HE KEPT Atatürk's
as his Life Long Treasure...
...but 'they' have ALWAYS IGNORED THESE REAL CONNECTIONS
BETWEEN REAL WORLD CHANGERS...even though 'they' could play
'their' MISLEADING GAME of TWISTING WORDS & MEANINGS,
that 'just happens' to tie in with 'their',
BACARDI/BAT/BATMAN/JOKER 'links' in those posts...
i.e. BRUCE (Wayne)=MELBOURNE=BATMAN...
John Batman (21 January 1801 – 6 May 1839)...When he found the current site of central Melbourne
he noted in his diary,
"This will be the place for a village."[1][2]
and declared the land "Batmania"...
was an Australian grazier, businessman and explorer
who is best known for his role in the founding of a settlement
which became Melbourne and the colony of Victoria.
His parents, William and Mary Batman,
came to Sydney in 1797 aboard the Ganges.
John was born in 1801 at Rosehill, Parramatta
(now a suburb of Sydney).
In 1821 John and brother Henry journeyed to
Van Diemen's Land (now known as Tasmania)
to settle on land in the north-east near Ben Lomond
LOTS here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman
Bust of Stanley Bruce
by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the
Prime Minister's Avenue
in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens.
Maritime Industries crisis
Prime Minister Bruce holding a meeting with
Prime Minister-elect Scullin a day before Scullin's swearing in.
...An independent liberal candidate's preferences flowed mostly to
Holloway, thus making Bruce the first sitting Prime Minister to lose his
seat. The only other sitting Australian prime minister to be defeated
in his own electorate is John Howard, at the 2007 election.
Bruce divided the rest of his life between London and Melbourne.
He remained Australian High Commissioner until 1945;
subsequently he represented Australia on various UN bodies,
and his name was considered for the position of
United Nations Secretary-General.
He was the chairman of the World Food Council for five years.
Bruce was appointed as the first Chancellor of the Australian National University
and served from 1951 until 1961.
...funny to, that WIKI's "RANDOM" articles, brought me here last night:Fisken was born at Ballarat, Victoria,
Archibald Fisken CMG
OBE
Member of the Australian Parliament
for Ballaarat
to grazier Archibald James Fisken and Beatrice Mary, née Wanliss.
He attended E.N. Maryatt's Church of England Grammar School for Boys,
Ballarat College and Geelong Church of England Grammar School
before his 1916 commission in the Royal Field Artillery.
He served on the Western Front from 1916 to 1918;
in 1918 he was awarded the Military Cross and promoted to lieutenant,
although he was also wounded.
Returning from the war,
Fisken maintained the family property
(Lal Lal, in the family since 1846)
at Yendon.
He was elected to the Buninyong Shire Council in 1922
and remained a councillor until his death,
being president 1931-32, 1946-47, 1957-58 and 1966-67.
He was prominent in the community, both as a sportsman and as a pastoralist.
He married Elspeth Anne Cameron on 20 February 1924 at Ross, Tasmania.
Fisken retired from parliament in 1937, stating that
he wished to focus on his appointment as
chairman of the Australian Meat Board.
His grandson is
Liberal Senator Michael Ronaldson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Fisken
...and sorry, 'they' have REMOVED KEY Images again, but these,
from 2008 & 2009, are examples of what
REAL, CURRENT CONNECTIONS, IN THE REAL WORLD,
'they' have and continue to ignore...
while PROMOTING 'themselves' "AS GODS"...
Quote:
cori
Will your awkward obsession with me ever stop, Jealousily?
Yep, those 'KRAFTY KRAUTS'
invent an excuse to make a FALSE 'Israel',
with their JEW SLAUGHTER,
then jump on the RAT LINE to CONTINUE Their EVILS
PROMOTING America as 'The Land',
while quietly continuing to TAKE OVER THE REAL ZION,
by Stealth...
Kraft consumes Cadbury
as Brown warns no
UK job cuts
19/01 20:00 CET
Food
http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/19/k...o-uk-job-cuts/
...oh, and also ask yourselves WHY, after years of
highlighting the SMART INVESTMENTS that 'experts'
advise AGAINST, that cori could NEVER acknowledge
my posts, other than to spit vile, hate filled, bitter,
BALD FACED LIES about my character, AND ASK FOR
ME TO BE BEATEN, AGAIN...IF, "cori" does want The,
TRUE FUTURE NEWS, 'Out There'...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...p?p=1058301387
____________________________________________________
Will you ever stop believing
"YOU" ARE The "CORE" of ALL Things GERMANIC
and CONTROL THE WHOLE WORLD and
ALL LANGUAGES...I'm posting about what NONE
of "Your Team" DARE post and
ALWAYS FLOOD OVER when I DO...
The DIRECT, ACTUAL Connection between
KRAFT, VEGEMITE, WAR, BALLARAT and MY HOME
in YENDON, ex East BUNINYONG=CANAAN,
as REVEALED through GOD'S Word and
THE OLDEST LANGUAGES of Australian Natives,
the Oldest Peoples who's History of CREATION
FITS GENESIS.
yes, that's right, reminding folk of yet more
FUTURE NEWS, it HELPS People to KNOW in Advance,
what "you"/"they" BURY, under more CODED MESSAGES
TO "Lone Nutters" to go out on SLAUGHTER Sprees.
Is it just me, or is there a bit of
An OWL down at
The EUREKA POOL/EUREKA CENTRE Park...
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09-12-2009, 12:39 PM #1069
Quote:
AND EVEN MORE on this page, again, fobbed off as meaningless
Originally Posted by vera susa
An OWL down at
The EUREKA POOL/EUREKA CENTRE Park...
sorry, my google earth won't work...
but it does remind me of an EVIL thought I had
during my HARASSMENT last night...
TATTOOS are Coded Language to...
remember how NAZIS made Lamp Shades
out of HUMAN TATTOOED SKINS...
Ilse Koch
The Bitch of Buchenwald
[loose translation of camp-era nickname
"Hexe"=witch,
used by English press during trial]
This is a picture of a lampshade ...
The drawing is a tattoo that was on the man's chest.
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...women/ilse.htm
imagine if BABY FUCKERS/TRADERS
were NOT ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE ANY MORE....
evil owl tattoo
Bam's tatt of his google eyed, mumbling,
convicted pedophile uncle Don Vito...
http://forum.tattootattoo.info/index...opic,20.0.html
OUT! OUT! DAMN SPOT...
before you're spotted
and it's too late to turn around
by the popular and powerful...and YOU NOW what MEANS!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...1956&page=1698
BTW, 'spot' didn't get out in time...
stayed and stole even more from me,
and now is being 'eaten alive' by the
WITCHES HE GROVELS TO IN FEAR...
BACK IN BLACK...
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Is it just me, or is there a bit of
An OWL down at
The EUREKA POOL/EUREKA CENTRE Park...
OOW...OOW...
"TINTIN" WENT THERE TOO...
and HERE...
Bust of Stanley Bruce
by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the
Prime Minister's Avenue
in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens.
Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain
between 1933 and 1945.
...and here:
Originally Posted by vera susa
http://www.navigatorsvictoria.com/in...arge_text=true
Where is
Navigators?
http://www.navigatorsvictoria.com/about.php#where
The history of Mount Warrenheip
has been researched and written by
Olivia and Harry.
Image:
Eruption Point,
Mount Warrenheip
...and here:
Fisken family property
(Lal Lal, in the family since 1846)
at Yendon.
...and here:
Geelong Church of England Grammar School
CORI SAYS:
06-08-2011, 01:03 AM#29987
my all time favorite song btw comes from Holland.
And listen to THAT sexy voice.
Long live Holland !!!
...
Read from here for a start,for say, at least, the next 4 pages:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2996
...and here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1058468549
BALLARAT,
that LAND LOCKED CITY
recently LOST IT'S SAIL at the
EUREKA STOCKADE CENTRE...
REMOVAL:
The torn Eureka flag at
the Eureka Centre
which is being removed this week.
Picture: Jeremy Bannister
Eureka Centre sail
on its way down
BY EMILY SOBEY
7/07/2009 11:57:00 PM
(7-7-11-11-57)
CRANE contractors began pulling down Ballarat's torn Eureka flag yesterday.
The sunny weather provided good conditions for the job, after it was halted last week due to high winds.
The flag, above the Eureka Centre, tore in half last month in wild weather that ripped through the city.
Yesterday, Huntingdale Cranes began stabilising the tension cabling so the sail could be cut off.
At its highest point, the flag soars 50 metres above the ground.
Heavy lift crane consultant Shane Avery estimated the process would take a few days.
He said weather was the biggest issue in dismantling the flag, and if
wind was blowing more than 10 metres per second, it would be too
dangerous.
City of Ballarat marketing and business director George Sossi said
contractors would also inspect a fracture in the structure, which was
found recently.
He said it was unsure if it was a surface fracture or deeper,
but needed to be fixed.
Ours is a ROYAL Navy...
CROWNS,
a KYLIE (KILLING STICK),
an AXE,
a TRUMPET(LILY
and TRIDENT)
BALLARAT 155
more stats:
http://www.navy.gov.au/HMAS_Ballarat
whoo whoo, those images appeared!
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/warships/
"TINTIN" WENT THERE TOO...
and HERE...
Bust of Stanley Bruce
by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the
Prime Minister's Avenue
in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens.
Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain
between 1933 and 1945.
Until the day he died,
Stanley Melbourne Bruce
kept two photographs in his study –
one of his wife and one of
Turkish President Mustafa Kemal Atatürk,
the founder of the modern Turkish state.
After the League of Nations Montreux conference in 1936,
that successfully organised the international passage of warships
through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits of Turkey,
Atatürk presented Bruce
with a gold cigarette case, which
he treasured for the rest of his life.
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Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:31 am
Well I've got buckley's of catching up with the cats,
especially with so many KEY posts REMOVED, but
at least folk can see that 'cats' and 'judeo/christian'
myths written recently by 'judeo/christian' politicians,
who can't agree about KEY details of the Myths they sell,
are the only counter argument 'they' have to
THE KEY QUESTION, 'they' REFUSE to answer:
WHY DO 'THEY' ALL IGNORE that, GOD SAID;
ALL the world, ALL the earth, ALL peoples,
FROM THE BEGINNING?
IGNORING ALL THESE
cori
yass
ninny
TRAITOROUS, CODED ORDER posting,
WAR MONGERING, "date", number & letter TWISTING WOmen
that post with "tintin", would be wise...lest you want to be caught
with "them" in the DRAGNET of "their" own NET.
Quote:
Sounds 'comforting' don't it. "SWEET WORDS THAT TICKLE THE EAR".
There is a reason that ISRAEL was
DELIVERED OUT OF MITSRAYIM, The AMERICAS.
DEATH WORSHIP....that was translated MUCH LATER into Egypt.
Likewise that RAINBOW/FEATHERED SERPENT in common with
both OZ and Ancient America, here in OZ, they WARN that when
it's RAISED AGAIN, ALL HEAVY SHIT HITS THE FAN!
They KNEW what they where escaping, The BEAST'S Rule!
But yes, the FIRST death is into sleep, not that bad, not anything,
just unconsciousness, but "They" twisted it out of truth and turned it
into "justification" for HUMAN SACRIFICE, and ALL the PUSHERS of
that seduction into DEATH WORSHIP, WILL are going to be MIGHTY
BLOODY SORRY when they're Resurrected from that First death,
to FACE GOD and "Have Their Account Settled".
So here again, we have two examples of people considered 'extinct',
due to those DEATH WORSHIPERS of this LAST KINGDOM Age. LOOK
CLOSELY at the face of the AUSTRALIAN standing man in the hat
and the face of the SOUTH AMERICA stone head of 'peoples unknown'.
If you can't SEE the SAME people with the SAME style,
it can only be 'spiritual blindness'.
[quote="true lilly"]Originally Posted by vera susa
(attached image at link below)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1673
7 + 7 + 7 = 21 = 2 + 1 = 3 = TRINITY = TRIANGLE = PYRAMID = EGYPT.
This is a DEATH/SACRIFICE CULT, "JOKE",
because as we know, there are PYRAMIDS,
ALL OVER THE WORLD, but they are mainly like these...
NOT quite "TRIANGLES like the "FAMOUS ONES" in Egypt,
but like these from the Land these people now 'said' to EXTINCT,
lived in. SOUTH AMERICA...
Like these people also 'said' to be EXTINCT,
from TASMANIA of the Land of OZ[ION]...
But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES!
The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM,
is that it causes
the TIME LINES of Human History
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED
into a SHORT period
of THE LAST KINGDOM AGE
of
TOES of IRON MINGLED with CLAY,
"as if" it is 'many' of those ages, so
WE MISS ALL THE CURRENT SIGNS
of WARNING,
and HATE and BLAME GOD
for 'not' KEEPING HIS PROMISES
instead of SEEING that in FACT,
HE HAS KEPT THEM ALL!
Ah, but I'm just "CRAZY" aren't I?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1676
...some perspective...
http://www.yukiba.com/2399-peru-south-america-photo.html
PERU...pooped all over anything in Egypt...
...pooped all over Israel...Israel walked...and all that power...
dried up...then...even greater than all that was...everywhere,
all over the Americas...was built in OZ...then...in their human
pride...Israel forgot God...The Source of all that and more...and...
so...OZ was UTTERLY DEVASTATED...and Israel headed north...
and, scattered, mixed and mingled...over all the world...again...
to start re-gathering...some few hundred years ago...Back in...
The Home Land...promised...preserved...in O'Zion...to again...
better than ever...anywhere...anytime...Re-Plant & Re-Build...
Ancient cave paintings in...not OZ...
Ancient cave paintings in Patagonia, southern Argentina
...have a real, close, look...
http://www.zazzle.com.au/world_map_upside_down_postcard-239671036251018558
Well I've got buckley's of catching up with the cats,
especially with so many KEY posts REMOVED, but
at least folk can see that 'cats' and 'judeo/christian'
myths written recently by 'judeo/christian' politicians,
who can't agree about KEY details of the Myths they sell,
are the only counter argument 'they' have to
THE KEY QUESTION, 'they' REFUSE to answer:
WHY DO 'THEY' ALL IGNORE that, GOD SAID;
ALL the world, ALL the earth, ALL peoples,
FROM THE BEGINNING?
especially with so many KEY posts REMOVED, but
at least folk can see that 'cats' and 'judeo/christian'
myths written recently by 'judeo/christian' politicians,
who can't agree about KEY details of the Myths they sell,
are the only counter argument 'they' have to
THE KEY QUESTION, 'they' REFUSE to answer:
WHY DO 'THEY' ALL IGNORE that, GOD SAID;
ALL the world, ALL the earth, ALL peoples,
FROM THE BEGINNING?
true lilly wrote:IGNORE:
you DON'T have to scroll through "el kabong/billy" SPAM;
there IS AN IGNORE FUNCTION.
Likewise, you don't have to read my posts, no one does (but 'they' do
),
but if you do chose to skip 'their' UN-SOURCED, LONG AGO BE-DUNKED,
cut & past ALL OVER THE NET, PRO-Religious WAR Propaganda,
you will see just how much OFF TOPIC TRASH 'they' throw in my threads,
by their names in a post heading, telling you 'they' DID IT AGAIN & AGAIN &..
and then if you multiply it by those huge ranting, rambling blocks of letters are,
you'll have a pretty good idea of how important it is to 'them', that what I post,
REMAIN, BURIED and HIDDEN.
P.S. it will fix the problem retrospectively, you can go back and see,
just the posts of those posting what you haven't already seen,
shoved down your throat, on every, conspiracy, 'new age' woo woo
and political site, for years, and all making things worse.
P.P.S. the more 'they' suddenly SPAM,
the more important the preceding post/s was/were.
P.P.P.S.
WIKIleaks, WIKIpedia,
DAVID ICKE,
i_am,
"Team tintin"; Cori,
amethyst, yass, nobodyswife, vasudha, ninny,
sean, tusme, ozpixie, thirdwave, measle_weasel,
merlincove, runlikehell, ownoiz, tinyint, jesuitsdidit
kun21, rodin, edelweiss, raginggran,WW
snoopsnuffleopagus,
true lilly wrote:THE MISSING BIT:dixie d wrote:
06-08-2011, 02:30 PM #30011yass wrote:
You're right it very much has that
affect with the arm and probably intended. I first magnified the pic
and couldn't help but notice that very curved nose, very defined.
Good call.dixie d wrote:
06-08-2011, 02:40 PM #30013
Only a thought, but which calendar are you using, that's if it makes a difference of course.
I was referring to calculations for Elenin comet. I doubt they
Originally Posted by yass
Dixie, calendar, me, you serious? I click on the time icon at the bottom right of my computer screen for my calendar needs.
would have be using the Gregorian Calender in those days, that was all I
was referring to.
The trouble with these forums, is that when you reply to some posts,
half the post is missing.
Last edited by dixie d; 06-08-2011 at 02:45 PM.ninny wrote:
WAR OF THE WORLDS
i would associate this:
11/9/11
link: http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=17856ninny wrote:You're right it very much has that affect with the arm and
Originally Posted by ninny
yes, looks a little bit disabled. not a good photograph.
reminds me of greek statues:
probably intended. I first magnified the pic and couldn't help but
notice that very curved nose, very defined.
Quote:Good call.
Originally Posted by ninny
This radio reporter and UFO and million listeners, I think that was a hoax.
because this reminds me of:
WAR OF THE WORLDS
i would associate this:
11/9/11
link: http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=17856
________________
i
________________________________________
Last edited by yass; 06-08-2011 at 02:23 PM.
IGNORING ALL THESE
TRAITOROUS, CODED ORDER posting,
WAR MONGERING, "date", number & letter TWISTING WOmen
that post with "tintin", would be wise...lest you want to be caught
with "them" in the DRAGNET of "their" own NET.
Quote:
| Originally Posted by cycles of time mayans/aztecs and other indiginious of that region believe that death is just the gateway to another more spiritual plane of life. they honour death. much of the sacrifices that took place were voluntary. and pyramids were the easiest structures to build . its common sense when it comes to architecture. |
There is a reason that ISRAEL was
DELIVERED OUT OF MITSRAYIM, The AMERICAS.
DEATH WORSHIP....that was translated MUCH LATER into Egypt.
Likewise that RAINBOW/FEATHERED SERPENT in common with
both OZ and Ancient America, here in OZ, they WARN that when
it's RAISED AGAIN, ALL HEAVY SHIT HITS THE FAN!
They KNEW what they where escaping, The BEAST'S Rule!
But yes, the FIRST death is into sleep, not that bad, not anything,
just unconsciousness, but "They" twisted it out of truth and turned it
into "justification" for HUMAN SACRIFICE, and ALL the PUSHERS of
that seduction into DEATH WORSHIP, WILL are going to be MIGHTY
BLOODY SORRY when they're Resurrected from that First death,
to FACE GOD and "Have Their Account Settled".
So here again, we have two examples of people considered 'extinct',
due to those DEATH WORSHIPERS of this LAST KINGDOM Age. LOOK
CLOSELY at the face of the AUSTRALIAN standing man in the hat
and the face of the SOUTH AMERICA stone head of 'peoples unknown'.
If you can't SEE the SAME people with the SAME style,
it can only be 'spiritual blindness'.
[quote="true lilly"]Originally Posted by vera susa
(attached image at link below) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1673
7 + 7 + 7 = 21 = 2 + 1 = 3 = TRINITY = TRIANGLE = PYRAMID = EGYPT.
This is a DEATH/SACRIFICE CULT, "JOKE",
because as we know, there are PYRAMIDS,
ALL OVER THE WORLD, but they are mainly like these...
NOT quite "TRIANGLES like the "FAMOUS ONES" in Egypt,
but like these from the Land these people now 'said' to EXTINCT,
lived in. SOUTH AMERICA...
Like these people also 'said' to be EXTINCT,
from TASMANIA of the Land of OZ[ION]...
But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES!
The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM,
is that it causes
the TIME LINES of Human History
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED
into a SHORT period
of THE LAST KINGDOM AGE
of
TOES of IRON MINGLED with CLAY,
"as if" it is 'many' of those ages, so
WE MISS ALL THE CURRENT SIGNS
of WARNING,
and HATE and BLAME GOD
for 'not' KEEPING HIS PROMISES
instead of SEEING that in FACT,
HE HAS KEPT THEM ALL!
Ah, but I'm just "CRAZY" aren't I?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1676
...some perspective...
http://www.yukiba.com/2399-peru-south-america-photo.html
PERU...pooped all over anything in Egypt...
...pooped all over Israel...Israel walked...and all that power...
dried up...then...even greater than all that was...everywhere,
all over the Americas...was built in OZ...then...in their human
pride...Israel forgot God...The Source of all that and more...and...
so...OZ was UTTERLY DEVASTATED...and Israel headed north...
and, scattered, mixed and mingled...over all the world...again...
to start re-gathering...some few hundred years ago...Back in...
The Home Land...promised...preserved...in O'Zion...to again...
better than ever...anywhere...anytime...Re-Plant & Re-Build...
Ancient cave paintings in...not OZ...
Ancient cave paintings in Patagonia, southern Argentina
...have a real, close, look...
http://www.zazzle.com.au/world_map_upside_down_postcard-239671036251018558
Well I've got buckley's of catching up with the cats,
especially with so many KEY posts REMOVED, but
at least folk can see that 'cats' and 'judeo/christian'
myths written recently by 'judeo/christian' politicians,
who can't agree about KEY details of the Myths they sell,
are the only counter argument 'they' have to
THE KEY QUESTION, 'they' REFUSE to answer:
WHY DO 'THEY' ALL IGNORE that, GOD SAID;
ALL the world, ALL the earth, ALL peoples,
FROM THE BEGINNING?
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
MoMo Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:26 pm
The only person ignoring Reality is You!!!
Israel is the Promised Land, NOT Australia.
http://www.vbm-torah.org/
http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
50b: Sleeping Beauty, part 2
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51a: The Land of Israel
The Paradox
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51b: The Land Of Israel, Part 2
Israel is the Promised Land, NOT Australia.
http://www.vbm-torah.org/
http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
50b: Sleeping Beauty, part 2
In Bereshit we read of the significant encounter between Avraham and Malkitzedek, king of Shalem. According to the biblical commentator Moshe David Cassuto, the Torah intends to convey "that Jerusalem was a holy city. [This was] an eternal holiness, extending since time immemorial, and even when it was populated by idol worshippers, who were accustomed to worshipping many gods, its inhabitants could not but worship their highest God," who is essentially identical to the one God of Scriptural monotheism.
Rashi gleans something else from this encounter. Our rights to the land are not the result of a divine promise accompanied by military conquest. Our Sages emphasized our "historical rights" to the land. Rashi describes how the children of Shem lived in the Land according to the original division among the sons of Noach, and how "the Canaanites were conquering the land of Israel from the children of Shem." On the background of this unjust conquest, which destroyed the original harmony between the peoples of the world, Avraham, a descendent of Shem, appears upon the stage of history. He meets with one of the last Shemite kings of Jerusalem, before they were destroyed by the Jebusites. This was Malkitzedek king of Shalem (Bereshit 14:18-20): "And Malkitzedek king of Shalem brought out bread and wine, and he was a priest of the highest God. And he blessed him and said, blessed is Avraham of the highest God, ruler of heaven and earth." In this encounter, the last remaining Shemite monotheistic priest meets Avraham and prophesies, "[God] will someday return [Jerusalem] to your children, who are the descendants of Shem" (Rashi, on Bereshit 12:6).
The Rambam teaches an additional unique aspect of Jerusalem. In his "Guide For The Perplexed" [3,45] he suggests that Jerusalem is referred to in the Bible as "the place which He will choose," without calling it explicitly by name, for political reasons. The name of the place was hidden so that "the nations would not hold onto it and fight a powerful war over it, as they would if they knew that this place on earth was the source of the Torah." Sadly, this attempt did not help, and the struggles over Jerusalem continue to this day. Political struggles have a mechanism of their own. In Jerusalem, a religious struggle exists as well.
The Jewish people return to their land with a demand for justice that is beyond law. No one disputes the spiritual ownership of other religions. This is one of the great tests of humanity. Will they recognize the rights of the father who has returned to life and to youth, to live in his own land?
Jerusalem was conquered by Christians and by Muslims. However, Jerusalem is holy to the Jews not because of an event that occurred in it, nor because of a building in it, but because of very essence. The Temple could burn down, foreign temples could be built in its place, and yet the connection with the land remains, as though nothing has changed. Thus, the Jewish people mourned over Jerusalem, and thus Rihal expressed the longing of Jerusalem for its people:
"Zion, will you not inquire after your prisoners who inquire after you, and are the remnant of your flock...
I cry endless tears to bewail your suffering, and when I dream of the return of your exiles, I am a violin for your songs."
Whoever has read Mark Twain's description of the parched land, so barren that he felt this could not possibly be the land of which the Bible speaks, understands what the renewal and rebirth of the land means.
The Ramban saw the double tragedy as the symbol of the deepest expression of the love between the people and the land. The nation could not rest peacefully in any other place in the world, and the land would not bear fruit for any foreign conqueror. It patiently awaited the return of its people.
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51a: The Land of Israel
The Paradox
We will now reopen our discussion of the uniqueness of the Land of Israel, the great paradox we have been living since the birth of Judaism in the first pages of the Scriptures. Before God there are no political or geographical boundaries, there are no boundaries of nations or of countries. And yet, the great message of this universalism is expressed in two particularisms, two uniquenesses: the uniqueness of the People and the uniqueness of the Land. The paradox teaches us that uniqueness is the path to universalism. The uniqueness of the Jewish people is part of a plan that will lead us and the nations of the world to the end of days, a plan for the redemption of the entire world. In this plan, the descendants of the Forefathers hold a unique place and position.
This paradox was a focal point of constant debate with many thinkers, particularly those who have stemmed from Judaism and have accepted some of the general principles of our Torah. The Scriptures proclaimed that Avraham would become the father of many nations. And indeed, many nations have accepted the Torah of the Forefathers. However, many of them wished to accept these principles while erasing the name of the Jews. Sometimes this was done by actual killing of Jews, and generally it was done by stealing their identity, by claiming that they themselves are the true Jewish people.
Models
The paradox of uniqueness demands an explanation from within as well. Rihal uses biological and climatic models to explain his central thesis. In my opinion, the reader has a certain amount of freedom here. He can accept these explanations as they are, or he can suggest corrections that lift these explanations to a higher plane. Rihal attempts to analyze a difficult and central issue, but he lacks the tools for the job. He saw the biological and climatic theories as models to explain his reality. Thus, for example, Rihal used the fact that certain traits are present in the grandfather, disappear in the father and reappear in the third generation.
In this way, Rihal wished to convey the surprising idea that traits can reappear despite an apparent break in continuity and education: that there can be resurrection after surcease. What Rihal describes is a return to something that does not come from without but that already exists within. The biological model is wonderful, because it demonstrates that potential can exist, for example in genetic makeup, and not be expressed outwardly. The difference in genetics between a genotype and a phenotype is the difference between uniqueness and choseness. There are traits that remain hidden because of the environment in which the organism develops; however the genotype, the uniqueness, the inner potential, continues to exist. This description is true of the nation as well. This is the essence of the principle of eternal uniqueness in the philosophies of Rihal, the Maharal and Rav Kook.
Territory
This topic brings us to the place of territory in Jewish thought. We are better equipped, thank God, to discuss this question than previous generations, who read Rihal's philosophy regarding the land of Israel yet were severed from it. Here in the land of Israel we face the full significance of Rihal's writings on the subject, as well as the difficult dilemmas that the topic raises.
One can view the land of Israel as the place where the Jewish state resides. This is an instrumental view, in which territory becomes a vehicle. Like a house, a country is a place in which we live, and it constitutes, in the largest sense of the word, a vehicle, a tool necessary for our survival. This is a rational approach, and stands as one the principles of Zionism. This principle implies that Jewish existence in the Diaspora was abnormal and unhealthy, and that the nation must be healed and rehabilitated through Zionism. This can be compared to a cripple who has lost the use of his hands and legs, and who hopes for the return of their powers. The hands and legs represent the two central characteristics of political existence in an independent state. The hands represent the nation's ability to defend itself militarily, while the legs symbolize the connection to the territory. If we were to go in this direction we would reach the territorial basis necessary for the justification of the Zionist idea, and seemingly this would be enough. However, here we must learn the great lesson of the Kuzari.
Let us jump to the end of the book. At the end of the book, the Chaver bids farewell to the king and prepares to journey to the land of Israel. "After these events the Chaver decided to leave the land of the Khazars and journey to Jerusalem." The king is astonished:
"And the departure of the Chaver was difficult for the Kuzari and he spoke to him of it, saying, 'what is there to find in the land of Israel today, since the Holy Presence has left it? And since the closeness of God can be achieved in any location by a pure heart and a strong desire; and why should you place yourself at the peril of the deserts and the seas and the hatred of the various peoples?'" (5:22)
This question of the Kuzari king must amaze us. Since the very first discourse, Rihal has emphasized the significance of the Land of Israel. His journey to the Land of Israel is the necessary and logical result of all he has been saying and writing. If so, why is the Kuzari king surprised? The answer lies in the recognition of a paradox, which is expressed at the end of the book, and sheds a different light upon the entire book. The Chaver had built a Jewish state in the land of the Khazars! Not only that, but his place in that state is comparable to the role of the philosopher, who guides the king in his leadership of the ideal kingdom. We can understand the significance of this ideal state when we read the letter that Hasdai Ibn Shaprut wrote to the Kuzari king.
He writes:
"If there is a place where there is a beacon and a kingdom for the exiles of Israel and they are not tyrannized or controlled, and if I knew that this was true, I would despise my own honor and depart from my greatness and desert my family and would speedily go up mountains, over land or sea, until I would reach the place where my lord the king rules to see his greatness and his glory and the residence of his subjects and the superiority of his servants and the repose of the exiles of Israel. And upon seeing his greatness and glory, my eyes would alight and my innards rejoice and my lips would praise the One who had not withheld His bounty from my forlorn nation."
Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, the Jewish minister of the highest personal and political status in the Caliphate in Cordova, claims that he would abandon all of his honor and become a simple subject in the Jewish state in which the Jews have independence. This state has religious significance as well:
"For how can I bleed for the destruction of our glorious House and for the few saved from the sword who went through fire and water, who are but a small remainder and have lost our honor and dwell in exile, and God does not assist us against those who say to us all the day, 'every nation has a kingdom and you have no remembrance in the land.'"
And a Jewish state exists, the kingdom of the Khazars. However, Rihal instructs us through the paradox of his own life and choices. The Chaver abandons a Jewish state, nobility, independence and everything that goes along with it, in order to travel to a place that is under foreign rule. This place is the Land of Israel. Here we learn the great lesson. Our attitude towards the Land of Israel is not one of territory, in which, by chance, a Jewish state exists. We relate to it as our destiny, and view the encounter with it as part of our essence as Jews. Jewish sovereignty and independence are significant, but so is our relationship to the Land of Israel. At the end of the book we will learn how Rihal envisioned the ultimate return to the Land of Israel and the redemption. Herein lies the mystery and the paradox. The return to the Land of Israel is not a tool or a means. What we have here is here a relationship of encounter, a cosmic meeting of those intended for each other from the beginning of time. Just as it is written that every person's marriage partner is announced in Heaven forty days before his birth, so too it is announced that a particular field in the Land is intended for a particular person. Our Sages wished to teach us the romantic idea that the connection between a couple exists before they meet for the first time, and that their meeting is not a chance occurrence. So too the relationship between the People and the Land is more than a chance occurrence. The relationship was written in the books of destiny.
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51b: The Land Of Israel, Part 2
What mysterious force lies behind the relationship of the People and the Land? What makes a particular union successful and unique? Here we enter into theories and models. Rihal attempts to describe it through a unique approach to the climate of the Land of Israel. We find a similar approach in the writings of Rambam. However, he limits the explanation, when he claims that this climate is not unique to the Land but characterizes the entire region. This is actually stated explicitly by Rihal:
"And Ever was the designated progeny of Shem...since his inheritance was the lands of comfortable climates, at the center of which is placed the coveted land, the land of Canaan, the land of prophecy." (1:95)
Thus, we find that the climatic condition is necessary but not sufficient. The Land of Israel is unique in that its climate integrates heat and cold. In other words, it unites the characteristics of those places lacking the conditions for creating a great civilization and a sophisticated culture. And indeed, both the inception and the development of civilization took place in the temperate climates.
Beyond the geographical conditions there is a mystical reality, a spiritual uniqueness of the Land, which makes it a place where prophecy can become a reality. The Land of Israel is the destined location of the ultimate encounter between the Jewish nation and God, the place destined for prophecy and redemption.
This approach to the Land of Israel perhaps can only be understood in categories of love. A person can consider a prospective mate according to the size of the dowry or other monetary interests, as a means to advance one's career or one's social status, etc. These are purely rational reasons. However, we all know that this is not enough, and justifiably so. Beyond these things we expect something more, something irrational and emotional, something we can only describe as love. The word love describes the relationship between the People and the Land. The book of Bereshit describes how the Great Matchmaker, the Creator himself, took Avraham, the father of the Jewish nation, and brought him to the Land of Israel. There he would found his nation, and there the great encounter between the Jewish people and God will ultimately take place. The encounter between the People and the Land is also a condition of redemption.
Thank God, for us no contradiction exists between the instrumental approach and what we might term the romantic approach. We must realize how fortunate we are, to live in the age where, after so much trial and suffering, these approaches finally merge. The distinction between the two approaches to the People and the Land was illustrated through a historical dilemma: Uganda or Palestine? The instrumental approach demanded searching for territory somewhere. This was called the territorial position. It was opposed by the position that spoke about the Land of Israel. Both approaches are important, and the Kuzari state and the other Jewish states that arose in the Diaspora were not a crime, but neither did they bring salvation. There were many Jews who did not think it a crime to live in the Diaspora but who considered the creation of a Jewish state in the Diaspora a betrayal of their allegiance to the Land of Israel.
These issues are important because of their current implications. We are faced with dilemmas that center around the ideals of the redemption of the People and of the Land. We will not enter into politics here. Politics means solving these dilemmas in a particular way. However, understanding the dilemmas is beyond politics. We must always be aware of the two-sidedness of our relationship to the Land. On the one hand, the instrumental relationship to a home, and on the other hand, the relationship to something that cannot be replaced. This relationship is represented in the Scriptures and in later literature by the classic image of the relationship to a mother. The Land is perceived as a mother to some individuals, and as a wife to the nation. We express this relationship through loyalty, love and respect.
The Land of Israel
As we have seen, the content of Jewish thought focuses around three central points: Creation, Revelation and Redemption. History is a process with many twists and turns; however, it ultimately leads us from Creation to Redemption through Revelation.
The Land of Israel symbolizes creation. The Land of Israel is also the land of prophecy.
The sacrifice of Yitzchak connects to the second point: Revelation. Just as Avraham was called to the Land of Israel from a foreign country, "Go ... to the land that I will show you" (Bereshit 12:1), so too he is called forth after entering the Land of Israel: "Go ... to one of the mountains that I will show you" (ibid. 22:2).
Here, too, Avraham follows the call to a place that he does not know, and only when he reaches it does God inform him that this is the place that God had destined for the great drama of the sacrifice of Isaac. Avraham's going reveals the holiness within the holiness. Avraham learned to recognize the holiness of the Land of Israel when he reached it. The holiness of Jerusalem had to be revealed much later, at the final trial.
The mount of the sacrifice, say the Scriptures, is the "mountain where God appeared," the place of revelation, the encounter with God. On this mountain the Temple will be built, the Temple in which man will encounter the Divine Presence. The Scriptures themselves are aware of the paradox in this claim. In king Shlomo's prayer in the Book of Melakhim we read,
"For can it be that God resides on the earth, behold the heavens and the highest firmaments cannot contain You, how can this House I have built [contain You]?" (Melakhim I, 8:27)
However, divine transcendence left room also for the immanence that is connected to "this place...and You will hearken from the heavens" (ibid. 8:29-32).
Revelation is expressed in two ways: in the personal encounter, and in the collective revelation of the Torah. Next to the Temple sat the Great Court, whose role was to teach Torah to the entire people of Israel.
The third point that is encompassed in Jerusalem is connected to the future: the Redemption. This idea means the triumph of good in the various circles of human activity: the national, the human-universal and the cosmic.
The national redemption is the return of the Jewish people to their Land. When the Jew prays for redemption, he prays to the God who "will rebuild Jerusalem," and adds, "may our eyes witness Your merciful return to Jerusalem. Blessed are You God, who will return His Presence to Zion." The redemption is the renewed meeting of the three: the People, the Land and the Divine Presence, the divine immanence.
Jerusalem is also the axle upon which the human-universal redemption turns as well. The mountain that was the center of spiritual heights for the Jewish people will become a center of inspiration and education for the entire world.
"And in the end of days the mount of the house of God will be placed above all mountains and rise above all hills and all the nations will swarm towards it. And many nations will go saying, come let us go up to the mountain of God, to the House of the God of Ya'akov, and He will teach us of His ways and we will follow in His paths, for Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of God from Jerusalem." (Yishayahu 2:2-3)
The particularism of the choosing of a People and a Land are thus merged with absolute universalism. The People and the Land preserved the Torah, so that it would spread among all the nations, and whose central expression is universal peace: "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they study war any more" (ibid. 2:4).
In Jewish tradition, Jerusalem is also the center of the cosmic redemption. Yishayahu's vision, "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" (Yishayahu 11:6) is obviously an allegory for the ideal international relations that will reign in the messianic era. However, it is also a hint at a religious utopia, in which even the natural reality will change.
Various verses in Yechezkel hint at future changes in Jerusalem. A spring will gush from it, and from it powerful rivers will stream forth, which will even heal the Dead Sea. Clearly, these are references to the ancient Garden of Eden.
And indeed certain commentators have understood it in this way. According to their interpretation, the Garden that God planted in Eden underwent a catastrophic change as a result of the sin; however, with the advent of the redemption it will revert to its original state. The Garden of Eden is the Land of Israel, and its center is Jerusalem.
If this motif exists in the Scriptural tradition, then the symbolism of the Holy Temple can be understood in its light as well. At its center, as in the Garden of Eden, the Keruvim protected the Tree of Life, which is none other than the Torah - the word of God.
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true lilly wrote: Well I've got buckley's of catching up with the cats,
especially with so many KEY posts REMOVED, but
at least folk can see that 'cats' and 'judeo/christian'
myths written recently by 'judeo/christian' politicians,
who can't agree about KEY details of the Myths they sell,
are the only counter argument 'they' have to
THE KEY QUESTION, 'they' REFUSE to answer:
WHY DO THEY ALL IGNORE that GOD SAID;
ALL the world, ALL the earth, ALL peoples,
FROM THE BEGINNING?
but by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, myths written recently by 'judeo/christian' politicians,
who can't agree about KEY details of the Myths they sell,
are the only counter argument 'they' have to
THE KEY QUESTION, 'they' REFUSE to answer:
WHY DO THEY ALL IGNORE that GOD SAID;
ALL the world, ALL the earth, ALL peoples,
FROM THE BEGINNING?[/color][/size]
lilly, you are a paronoid schizophrenic, the Bible was written BEFORE Alexander, he did not change the Jews History. Both the Old and New Testaments are Jewish Documents, written by Jews in an Alephbet, the precursor of the Alphabet. You are an Antisemitic liar, like Hitler.
The History was written in an alephbet BEFORE the Greeks had an Alphabet.
If you would actually bother to read it, it includes all Humankind and the whole world. Check it out, see for yourself. If any of Lilly the Queen of Bullshit 'readers' would like to debate me, sign in. Lilly, the Queen of Bullshit ignores all the Archaeological, Linguistic and Historical evidence and just makes shit up.
26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”
27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.
28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”
29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.
30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good
Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God
1: Has Intelligence
2: Has Freewill
3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul
4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.
5: Has the faculty of Judgement
6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity
As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.
The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.
The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.
The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.
The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."
These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg
This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.
The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.
The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.
Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.
Summarized
We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.
* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.
* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.
* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.
* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.
* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)
* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.
* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.
* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians
* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.
* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos
1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.
2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.
* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.
The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.
* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos
3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH
Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.
In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'
* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.
Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.
* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.
* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.
* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.
* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.
Tikkun Olam
* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.
* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.
* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.
* To accept Limits.
* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.
* To join in working for Order against Chaos.
* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.
* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.
* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.
* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.
* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:
* Infinite Value
* Equality
* Uniqueness.
These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh
The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.
The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....
One effect of an Alphabetic based Abstract Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather than the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.
The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerant of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.
This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.
As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.
When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this so upset Moses he dropped the two stone Tablets upon which YHWH/God had written the ten commandments.
Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Image and Written Word, both were destroyed.
One effect of an Alphabetic based Abstract Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather than the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.
The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerant of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.
This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.
As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.
When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this so upset Moses he dropped the two stone Tablets upon which YHWH/God had written the ten commandments.
Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Image and Written Word, both were destroyed.
As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set.
The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of YHWH/God, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.
The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.
Love your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.
The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codices of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.
Each one of the four encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.
One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode..............Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.
Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.
This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.
What occurred at/in Sinai was unique, the Authority of the Written Word superseded the authority of the Image.
Reiterating the Revolutionary Innovations that occurred at Mount Sinai:
1: Abstract Monotheism emerged,
2:Universal Codified Laws establishing Moral Ethics
3: The Alephbet-Proto Alphabet emerged. The Hebrews reduced thosands of Images/Hieroglyphs/Petroglyphs/Ideograms/Pictograms into two dozen Characters, enabling Universal Literacy
For the first time ever, Religion demanded the follower be Literate. It is Commanded the Fathers obtain Scrolls of the Torah and teach them to their children.
Moses Commanded; Thou shall read the Law before all Israel Deut-31:10,11
The Reading of the Torah remains the most sacred obligation of every Jew.
Yahweh was concerned, unlike other gods, about the actions of everyone of His people.
Yahweh actually cares.
If someone was cheating/exploiting widows and orphans, mistreating strangers and slaves.etc.......YHWH knew and became wrathful.
The polytheistic gods did not.
Yahweh in His written Laws provided preventive Medicine, unknown to Egypt and Mesopotamis.
He explicitly spelled out in excruciating detail and minutia exactly what He expected from each and every Israelite.
Each Israelite established a personal relationship with Yahweh.
All of Yahwehs Laws were written down and everybody knew them.
It was an absolute Judaic condition that every male was literate.
Ignorance of the Law was no defence.
The Hebrews were the first culture to universally embrace Alphabetic writing, the Torah is the first/oldest Religious Book written in an Alphabet.
The 10 Commandments were transmitted in a written Alephbetic form; Paleo-Hebrew.
Abstract letters/grammatical sequence/uniconsonantal phenomes.
The Alephbet/Alphabet introduced and enabled the possibility of Universal Literacy
So once upon a time in the Sinai Desert a radical new communication technology emerged that would forever change cultural perceptions and that the first people to utilize it would introduce fundamental principles and features underpinning Western Civilisation.
Historical Data: Proto-Sinaitic Alephbet=precursor of the Alphabet.
Discovered by Sir William Flinders Petrie, very early 20th century. Dated to: 1,800 BCE
Egyptian Coptic 2,000 years later/after
Tell el Armana Cache Phoenician 1,450 BCE letters from Canaanite Leaders to Akhenaton were scribed in Cuneiform
Akkadian Cuneiform after Sumerian Conquest.
An amazing vortex of Science and History occurred in the Sinai that the worlds’ oldest alphabet was found where the Hebrew Nation had their seminal experience.
Yet another Unique Concept brought forth at Mount Sinai is the Concept of Free Will.
Throughout the Ancient Near East, Babylon, Egypt.etc......humans 'believed their fate, destiny was in the hands of the gods.
The Sinaitic Covenant convinced the Israelites that every decision was theirs to make: Choose Life or Choose Death.
The choice between Right and Wrong was upon the individual. This beget the concept of Guilt, 'Guilty Conscious'; an internal Quality Control.
Moral Realtivist may consider this an ambiguous area, but is it really?
Bottom Line of what occurred at Sinai, lo those many years ago, the Power that once had been given to pictures was transferred to written words.
The Power of the Right Brain was Transferred to the Left Brain.
The Alephbet/Alphabet is the Book of Yahwehs/Bibles Eminence Grise-The unsuspected power.
Superorganisms/memes compete, as one Entelechy rises, others fall.
Of all the ANE Superorganisms/Memes, only the Jews have survivied.
Alphabetic Literacy profoundly reconfigured the relationship between the Hebrews and their Deity and between the Hebrews and their neighbours. The other ANE cultures.
The Jews have an unshakable faith.
The Religious beliefs of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Hyskos, Hurrians, Cretans, Mittani, Assyrians, Persians, Canaanites, Ugarites, Akkadians, Egyptians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Roman Belief Systems have diminished greatly and most have disappeared.
The Hebrew Faith has withstood the Viscitudes of times, surviving catastrophes that should have extinguished them.
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Three Revolutionary Innovations in Human History took place at Mount Sinai.
1: Abstract Monotheism
2: Universal Codified Law
3: An Alephbet 1,800 BCE
Abstract Monotheism rather than Polytheism, Rule of Law for All rather than the Divine Rights of Kings or Queens and an Aleph/Bet, less than thirty characters that replaced Iconographs/Ideograms and Hieroglyphs, enhancing Literacy amongst the masses.
The abstraction of all three innovations were mutually reinforcing.
YHWH/God proclaimed that there exists a Codex of morality that stands above Human intercourse.
The 10 Commandments applied universally to everyone. no King, Pharoah, or Potentate was above the Law.
Refutes the rubric that 'Might makes Right'.
YHWH/God expected all His Chosen People TO READ what He inspired to be written.
The Pentateuch is the oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet-Alphabet. Prior books were written in Cuneiform, Hieroglyphs etc......
YHWH forbade anyone from visualizing Him. No Images. No Idolatry.
He sanctioned only the written word.
This promulgates equality and openness.
An overarching Theme of the Pentateuch, and ensuing Books of the Bible is: Justice for all.
A distinguishing feature of the Pentateuch from other belief systems of the Time is its dominating Theme of: Righteousness,
Living a pious life and obeying written law was/is more important than winning Battles, honouring the King, or sacrificing to a local god.
Justice for all was a unique community standard in an era when the dominant principle was a raised and clenched fist.
Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Exodus begins with the people shackled slaves.
Unlike other ANE Sagas, Yahweh 'Chose' the people rather than the people choosing their god.
This rediscovery allows each to uncover and affirm each others’ role in the Divine Plan. The Kingdom of Yahweh is advanced and comes closer.
'You are my witnesses says YHWH/God' Isaiah 43:10
The People of Israel are YHWHs Servants, 'Chosen' to witness to the loving Creator and the Divine Plan for Humanity and the Cosmos.
The People of Israel = not just the Israelis, or Jews, but to all who affirm that Yahweh has made a valid Covenant with Abraham and his descendants and all who take up the task of World Redemption so that the covenant can be fulfilled.
For that is the purpose of making the covenant.
Xns and Muslims are recognized as Abrahams children when they purge themselves of Supersessionist claims and hatred of Jews.
To be True to its Witness, the People of Israel tell 3 Stories to the World, the rest of Humanity, in the presence of Yahweh and in the presence of their fellow Humans.
1: They tell the Story of Creation, the Divine Vision of an intended perfect World. Jew & Xn stake their existence that this World will come to be.
2: The Story of the Covenant, the process operating between a Divine-Human partnership whereby our imperfect World will be brought back to that state of Perfection.
3: The Story of Redemption-sometimes called: 'The End of Days'-'The Messiah Story'-which is the culmination and realization of the process.
At the end, Holistic perfection will be achieved.
Peace between Humans.
Between Humans and all the rest of Life, between all Life and Nature itself, and between all of the above and Yahweh.
Three Stories add up to one comprehensive Story: The Triumph of Life
what's wrong with that liily. the Queen of Bullshit?
Certainly much more factual, nuanced and sophisticated then your Paronoid schizophrenic rantings, eh wot?
It's imposssible for you to change or steal a subject that you are ignorant of, first you have to know what it is that you are trying to steal.
Bottom Line of what occurred at Sinai, lo those many years ago, the Power that once had been given to pictures was transferred to written words.
The Power of the Right Brain was Transferred to the Left Brain.
The Alephbet/Alphabet is the Book of Yahwehs/Bibles Eminence Grise-The unsuspected power.
Superorganisms/memes compete, as one Entelechy rises, others fall.
Of all the ANE Superorganisms/Memes, only the Jews have survivied.
Alphabetic Literacy profoundly reconfigured the relationship between the Hebrews and their Deity and between the Hebrews and their neighbours. The other ANE cultures.
The Jews have an unshakable faith.
The Religious beliefs of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Hyskos, Hurrians, Cretans, Mittani, Assyrians, Persians, Canaanites, Ugarites, Akkadians, Egyptians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Roman Belief Systems have diminished greatly and most have disappeared.
The Hebrew Faith has withstood the Viscitudes of times, surviving catastrophes that should have extinguished them.
1: Abstract Monotheism
2: Universal Codified Law
3: An Alephbet 1,800 BCE
Abstract Monotheism rather than Polytheism, Rule of Law for All rather than the Divine Rights of Kings or Queens and an Aleph/Bet, less than thirty characters that replaced Iconographs/Ideograms and Hieroglyphs, enhancing Literacy amongst the masses.
The abstraction of all three innovations were mutually reinforcing.
YHWH/God proclaimed that there exists a Codex of morality that stands above Human intercourse.
The 10 Commandments applied universally to everyone. no King, Pharoah, or Potentate was above the Law.
Refutes the rubric that 'Might makes Right'.
YHWH/God expected all His Chosen People TO READ what He inspired to be written.
The Pentateuch is the oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet-Alphabet. Prior books were written in Cuneiform, Hieroglyphs etc......
YHWH forbade anyone from visualizing Him. No Images. No Idolatry.
He sanctioned only the written word.
This promulgates equality and openness.
An overarching Theme of the Pentateuch, and ensuing Books of the Bible is: Justice for all.
A distinguishing feature of the Pentateuch from other belief systems of the Time is its dominating Theme of: Righteousness,
Living a pious life and obeying written law was/is more important than winning Battles, honouring the King, or sacrificing to a local god.
Justice for all was a unique community standard in an era when the dominant principle was a raised and clenched fist.
Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Exodus begins with the people shackled slaves.
Unlike other ANE Sagas, Yahweh 'Chose' the people rather than the people choosing their god.
This rediscovery allows each to uncover and affirm each others’ role in the Divine Plan. The Kingdom of Yahweh is advanced and comes closer.
'You are my witnesses says YHWH/God' Isaiah 43:10
The People of Israel are YHWHs Servants, 'Chosen' to witness to the loving Creator and the Divine Plan for Humanity and the Cosmos.
The People of Israel = not just the Israelis, or Jews, but to all who affirm that Yahweh has made a valid Covenant with Abraham and his descendants and all who take up the task of World Redemption so that the covenant can be fulfilled.
For that is the purpose of making the covenant.
Xns and Muslims are recognized as Abrahams children when they purge themselves of Supersessionist claims and hatred of Jews.
To be True to its Witness, the People of Israel tell 3 Stories to the World, the rest of Humanity, in the presence of Yahweh and in the presence of their fellow Humans.
1: They tell the Story of Creation, the Divine Vision of an intended perfect World. Jew & Xn stake their existence that this World will come to be.
2: The Story of the Covenant, the process operating between a Divine-Human partnership whereby our imperfect World will be brought back to that state of Perfection.
3: The Story of Redemption-sometimes called: 'The End of Days'-'The Messiah Story'-which is the culmination and realization of the process.
At the end, Holistic perfection will be achieved.
Peace between Humans.
Between Humans and all the rest of Life, between all Life and Nature itself, and between all of the above and Yahweh.
Three Stories add up to one comprehensive Story: The Triumph of Life
what's wrong with that liily. the Queen of Bullshit?
Certainly much more factual, nuanced and sophisticated then your Paronoid schizophrenic rantings, eh wot?
It's imposssible for you to change or steal a subject that you are ignorant of, first you have to know what it is that you are trying to steal.
Bottom Line of what occurred at Sinai, lo those many years ago, the Power that once had been given to pictures was transferred to written words.
The Power of the Right Brain was Transferred to the Left Brain.
The Alephbet/Alphabet is the Book of Yahwehs/Bibles Eminence Grise-The unsuspected power.
Superorganisms/memes compete, as one Entelechy rises, others fall.
Of all the ANE Superorganisms/Memes, only the Jews have survivied.
Alphabetic Literacy profoundly reconfigured the relationship between the Hebrews and their Deity and between the Hebrews and their neighbours. The other ANE cultures.
The Jews have an unshakable faith.
The Religious beliefs of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Hyskos, Hurrians, Cretans, Mittani, Assyrians, Persians, Canaanites, Ugarites, Akkadians, Egyptians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Roman Belief Systems have diminished greatly and most have disappeared.
The Hebrew Faith has withstood the Viscitudes of times, surviving catastrophes that should have extinguished them.
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Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
MoMo Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:06 pm
true lilly wrote:"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud,
EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
...so I find these two pieces of News, being on the same
Murdoch owned Front Page, interesting...so soon after
my warning posts,
of "tintin's" obsession with PLANE CRASHES...
Flight 523 from New York
had just landed safely in Guyana
when something suddenly went wrong.
Passengers shrieked as the plane sped up,
skidded off the runway and broke up
just short of a 60m ravine. Picture: AP
Read More
Tintin
Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson
give a sneak peek of their collaboration,
The Adventures of Tintin.
...actually, that front page (of Today's Herald Sun),
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/
is like reading a condensed version of my years of
posts of what to watch for, and take heed of...from
the above, to ZARA PHILLIPS, HENDRA VIRUS,
Another STATE LEADER 'stepping down', REFUGEE SWAPS,
TATTOOS & AUSSIE RULES & CRICKET...and an awful lot more.
But as it is on constant up-date, and my old p.c.
won't take screen shots,
will see that to be so.
You're a cow! Give me some milk or go home........
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Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:19 pm
And just to further make my case...
(something 'you mob' do so well for me here)
while some still have time to GET IT!
...HYPOCRITE ALERT!...
ANSWER ME; WHY NONE OF 'you'
PRETENDING to be on opposing sides,
EVER ATTACK 'each other', as 'you' ALL DO me,
THE ONLY, PROVEN, REAL LIVE,
NON-SECRET AGENDA PUSHER on
CONspiracy Forums of
The World Wide WEB of DECEPTION?
(something 'you mob' do so well for me here)
while some still have time to GET IT!
true lilly wrote:Long ago, I asked folk to ask themselves
(so they too, may see the truth of God's Word),
"WHERE IS THE GLOBAL POWER BASE SHIFTING TO?",
and I was banned for continuing to show, where, AND WHY.
See, unlike "tintin" and his ilk, I have nothing to do with
High Finance or picking and choosing figure heads, but,
I do care to study God's Word, and pay a little attention
to what is really going on, in this real world we occupy, as
God Advised Us, For Our Real Lives Sake.
[size=24]Nick Greiner appointed chairman of advisers
at Rothschild Australia
Rothschild Australia
(and 'you' simply won't allow,
THAT Headline, to show up big and bold.
Why, it's all in the public media,
freely available to anyone who can
pull their heads out of Team Tintin's arse
for two seconds
Michael Bennet
From: The Australian
August 01, 2011 1:18PM
Nick Greiner, a former NSW Premier,
is a top adviser at Rothschild.
Source: The Daily Telegraph
ROTHSCHILD has appointed former New South Wales Liberal Premier Nick
Greiner as chairman of its council of advisers at its Australian
business and a senior adviser globally.
The investment bank today said Mr Greiner, who was Premier and
Treasurer of NSW from 1988 to1992, would take up the roles effective
today.
Trevor Rowe, the executive chairman of Rothschild
Australia, said Mr Greiner’s public service and corporate board
experience would be of great value in providing insights to its clients.
Mr Greiner chairs a range of businesses and bodies, including Bradken,
Citigroup Australia and Infrastructure NSW. He is also deputy chairman
of CHAMP Private Equity.
Rothschild Australia recently advised SunRice on the failed takeover of
the group by Ebro Foods, Asahi on its bid for the whole of P&N Beverages,
which was blocked by the competition regulator, and the Queensland government
on its successful float of QR National.
Related Coverage
Spotlight on Rothschild's energy money The Australian, 10 Jun 2011
Slowdown puts brakes on rates The Australian, 31 May 2011
'Greiner role offered to Max the Axe' The Daily Telegraph, 6 May 2011
ALP scared off investors, says Greiner The Australian, 2 May 2011
Super could fund infrastructure The Australian, 2 May 2011
Asahi to pay $1.2b for Independent Liquor
Staff writer
From: AFP
August 08, 2011 12:00AM
JAPANESE beverage giant Asahi Group
reportedly has trumped rival Suntory
in the race to buy Independent Liquor.
Asahi will pay about $1.21 billion to buy the company, which is
headquartered in New Zealand, from private equity companies Pacific
Equity Partners and Unitas as it moves to expand in Asia and Oceania.
Asahi has been touted as a potential rival bidder for Melbourne-based
Foster's Group, which is the target of an informal $9.5 billion takeover
offer from Anglo-African beverage giant SABMiller. Asahi will announce
its biggest acquisition soon, Nikkei newspaper reported yesterday.
Japanese firms have sought to expand in foreign markets as domestic sales suffer
from slow consumption by the country's shrinking and ageing population.
Asahi already has a foothold in the Australian soft drinks market through its
Schweppes brand and last month agreed to buy P&N Beverages Australia.
Related Coverage
SABMiller waits on Foster's The Australian, 6 days ago
Greiner top Rothschild adviser The Australian, 7 days ago
Business as usual at Renmark plant Adelaide Now, 6 Jul 2011
Multi-million-dollar All Black FoxSports, 6 Jul 2011
World tucks into Aussie agriculture Herald Sun, 5 Jul 2011
Aussie stock market lifts after dive
Stephen McMahon and AAP
UPDATE 12.39pm:
THE Australian share market recovered
some of its early losses today as
investors regained some nerve.
China still our rock, say economists
HA! I was only going to post the headline
and introduction, but it GOT DELETED HERE
so I had to get the whole story.
Australians safe in China's hands amid tumble
Neil Wilson
From: Herald Sun
August 08, 2011 12:00AM
Rio Tinto chief executive Tom Albanese.
CHINA'S voracious appetite for Australian resources
is likely to continue despite the latest bout of
global economic volatility,
economists and business leaders say.
Rio Tinto chief Tom Albanese said yesterday while the debt crisis
engulfing major western economies had implications for the entire world,
China's economy would continue to grow rapidly.
And RMIT economics professor On Kit Tam said China's foreign investment program
meant there would be little impact on the Asian giant's demand for resources.
"I don't think this decline in the US rating
will have any immediate effect via China on to Australia," Prof Tam said.
"China is shielded by its foreign investment and capital controls."
China's news agency Xinhua said yesterday unless the US cut its
"gigantic military expenditure and bloated welfare costs", another ratings
downgrade would be inevitable.
Related Coverage
Roubini bullish on China The Australian, 20 Jul 2011
China slowdown a global risk The Australian, 18 Jul 2011
Forecasts put us at China's mercy The Australian, 11 May 2011
Consequences of China's boom start to get complicated The Australian, 1 Apr 2011
Hale warns as China is set to slide Adelaide Now, 28 Mar 2011
But Prof Tam said China had little option but to retain its $1.2 trillion holding
of US bonds as debt-ridden Europe did not provide a reliable alternative investment.
China is now buying a quarter of Australia's exports, while the US takes just 4 per cent.
Prof Tam said despite China's efforts to rein in its high inflation rate,
which clocked in at 6.4 per cent annualised in June, the economy would
still growth about 9 per cent this year.
Mr Albanese said based on his travels through China and knowledge of the economy,
he was convinced growth would not slip below 8 per cent next year.
He told the ABC's Inside Business program yesterday
the engine room of the Chinese economy was changing.
"It's shifting a bit from commercial and higher-end residential (property
construction) to probably what would be a more middle-class residential,
which we would see as a healthy sign," Mr Albanese said.
"What I see (is) that growth continues."
(lost count, is this the 5th or 6th time I've had to re-format this post?
Talk about petty, childish twerps, who think wasting someone's time,
somehow doesn't show them to be the born losers they are
No, this is NOT off topic. It is The Topic, that The CONspiracy Industry
has banned me all over the World Wide Web of DECEIVING Forums,
for caring to freely share. I WARNED OF THIS, YEARS AGO,
and SHOWED and EXPLAINED how I came to know; simply by,
TAKING GOD'S WORD at HIS WORD!
The Clash: 'STRAIGHT TO HELL'
If you can play on the fiddle
How's about a British jig and reel?
Speaking King's English in quotation
As railhead towns feel the steel mills rust water froze
In the generation
Clear as winter ice
This is your paradise
There ain't no need for ya
Go straight to hell boys
Y'wanna join in a chorus
Of the Amerasian blues?
When it's Christmas out in Ho Chi Minh City
Kiddie say papa papa papa papa-san take me home
See me got photo photo
Photograph of you
Mamma Mamma Mamma-san
Of you and Mamma Mamma Mamma-san
Lemme tell ya 'bout your blood bamboo kid.
It ain't Coca-Cola it's rice.
Straight to hell
Oh Papa-san
Please take me home
Oh Papa-san
Everybody they wanna go home
So Mamma-san says
You wanna play mind-crazed banjo
On the druggy-drag ragtime U.S.A.?
In Parkland International
Hah! Junkiedom U.S.A.
Where procaine proves the purest rock man groove
and rat poison
The volatile Molatov says-
PSSST...
HEY CHICO WE GOT A MESSAGE FOR YA...
VAMOS VAMOS MUCHACHO
FROM ALPHABET CITY ALL THE WAY A TO Z, DEAD, HEAD
Go straight to hell
Can you really cough it up loud and strong
The immigrants
They wanna sing all night long
It could be anywhere
Most likely could be any frontier
Any hemisphere
No man's land and there ain't no asylum here
King Solomon he never lived round here
Go straight to hell boys
Oh and yes,
God also told us He would give us watchmen,
to witness and warn, those with hearing ears
...HYPOCRITE ALERT!... Billy Ruben wrote:Did you have to spam
True Lilly,can't you just talk,what would happen if we were lovers,are
you going to spam text dirty talk to me while we f*ck...can't you just say,"F*ck me in the shitter you goy bastard"...
...Now WHEN will 'you' 'Billy' et al,Billy Ruben wrote:LOLZ
ANSWER ME; WHY NONE OF 'you'
PRETENDING to be on opposing sides,
EVER ATTACK 'each other', as 'you' ALL DO me,
THE ONLY, PROVEN, REAL LIVE,
NON-SECRET AGENDA PUSHER on
CONspiracy Forums of
The World Wide WEB of DECEPTION?
true lilly wrote:I see you can't stop talking about yourself...
Parasites POISON, WEAKEN and KILL THOSE THEY 'live' OFF...
e.g. 'your' Team 'mates' here:"... in the free speech zone"rodin wrote:NAZI is product placementel kabong wrote:not to worry rodent, DIFtardia is a haven for NAZIs such as yourself. It was a mere Technical glitch and we have it sorted.rodin wrote:Well that's a
relief, DIF is back up. I feared the worst since the FORUM direct button
on the main page redirected to it. I have books worth of research on
that site...
oops spoke too soon.
gotta keep pushing that tired old bit of string...
meanwhile in the free speech zone
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=179187
...ahh, another time, ya gotta laugh...
...and this, is funny...
"It was a mere Technical glitch and we have it sorted."
Not, 'maintenance' this time, an actual 'glitch', and 'sorted'...
...now why is it I hear, "POLITICS 101"...
Well at least 'el kabong'=the obsessive attacker of,
"The, Icke=tintin, 'Thorn'"
"YOU MUST ONLY BELIEVE THE TORAH!", BS,
admits a little of why he must do the,
"free speech zone" version of,
NAZI/tintin's silencing of 'The Thorn', here,
which along with, chatting so politely, with
'blame everything on the jews', 'rodin'
and NOT SPAMMING 'HIS'
"YOU MUST ONLY BELIEVE THE TORAH!", BS,
clearly makes a Key Point of the case I present, for me.
BTW, at least I gave folk clear warning, years ago
of the very shit happening in England, now,
such as explaining why people were being encouraged
to kill themselves trying to squeeze into already
way over populated northern cities like London...
while 'you mob' screamed, "DON'T LISTEN TO HER!"
Gee, I wonder how many English Londoners
HATE YOU MOB now, that they realize I gave them
enough warning time to legally migrate to O'Zion,
while the "Ciggy's, Wonder Woman's, ownoiz's etc."
of WEB/NET CON Forum land, cruelly 'advised' folk
to move to every dangerous, bankrupt, unstable,
hot spot in the world, except O'Zion...While working
FOR The Nazi/Dutch/'KING of The NORTH' who still
want to TAKE IT ALL FROM US, FOR THEMSELVES.
Oh sure, we will have our needed, bothersome corrections, to,
but we are also doing good things, like setting up a Universal
Disability Insurance Scheme (the 'SNOWY RIVER SCHEME' of
PUBLIC HEALTH, Bigger than the NBN), an awful lot like what
I hammered for years ago, when working in that field.
Remember, it's all the twittering (ANTI)'social' NET 'workers'
who have been suckered into MURDERING INNOCENT DEFENDERS
of THEIR INNOCENT NEIGHBOURS in these (INSANE ICKEST
RELIGION PUSHERS of), England's 'Riots'(=UN'civil' WARS).
And it is the INSANE ICKEST RELIGION PUSHERS who have made me,
'THEIR' MOST BANNED FROM FREELY SPEAKING, LITERALLY BASHED
and CAR BOMBED, ENEMY...
...who 'somehow'=BY THE GRACE of GOD, is still kicking.
And no 'Billy', remember, I don't 'make connections', but know,
what I know, through my faith in The Creator and His Promise
of Revealing to His faithful, what they need to know, when they
need to know it. Which is why 'you mob' must invent so many
slanderous tales about who I am, lest others Hear and Receive
The Message of God's Saving Grace, that I am simply a real,
live human individual, example of being blessed by, through
not denying, and publicly sharing, That, Very Best News, Ever.
The Truth, does indeed, set you free,
and The Truth Is With The One Who Can't Lie,
The Creator of Life,
Who Described The Whole World, All The Earth
and All Peoples, From The Beginning.
...and as GOD is the only truly effective Ridder of Parasites,
I trust Him to His work.
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Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:04 pm
So, what happened to "all threads ending at 68 pages"?
Oh, 'they' have to have the last page full of 'their' BS.
Rioters who shot at police
will be treated as attempted murderers
August 21, 2011
10:13AM
Alarming new footage shows rioters in England
shooting at police in a helicopter and on the ground.
Birmingham police say the perpetrators
will be treated as attempted murderers.
Read More
Oh, 'they' have to have the last page full of 'their' BS.
Rioters who shot at police
will be treated as attempted murderers
August 21, 2011
10:13AM
Alarming new footage shows rioters in England
shooting at police in a helicopter and on the ground.
Birmingham police say the perpetrators
will be treated as attempted murderers.
Read More
true lilly wrote:Re: TERRORIST and other CODED posts on DAVID ICKE FORUMtrue lilly on Thu Jul 28, 2011
...and this was AFTER mycori wrote:
28-07-2011, 02:04 AM #29826
crosshairs
OSLO/PORT ARTHUR WARNING post,
AFTER my
AUSTRALIA in 'their' "crosshairs" WARNING post,
WHILE I was being blocked
from David Icke's Official Forum.
true lilly wrote:true lilly wrote:Remember, in order to 'read' Team Tintin's Planned Plots,
you also need to 'read' THE BIG NEWS that Team Tintin
IGNORES and/or otherwise TWISTS to 'make' his 'connections'...
Such as tintin TRYING TO MAKE IT 'READ'
that "THORN from NORWAY" "won"
THE TOUR de FRANCE,
and IGNORING that AUSTRALIAN CADEL EVENS
MADE HISTORY BY WINNING IT.
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Oh yeah, and while tintin has been 'predicting',
a GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRASH for OVER 6 Years,
and Ciggy & Co. have been TELLING THE WORLD
to AVOID ALL THINGS AUSTRALIAN, what I find
FORETOLD IN GOD'S WORD, KEEPS HAPPENING...
Soaring dollar hits record high
Stephen McMahon
THE Australian dollar
has burst through the US110c threshold
amid mounting fears
the next move for interest rates
will be up.
Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.
So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...
...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)
And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.
Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.
Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.
Diemen or DEMON.
DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.
It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam
have their appartment in Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.
Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.
The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
Martin bryant was the patsy.
MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.
The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?
Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.
Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)
HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.
He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.
the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.
So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.
And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.
Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.
MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.
Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!
"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in Port Arthur.
20 MAY. 13 days after the Massacre.
the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."
So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.
So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),
From The Beginning.
And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE" in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.
Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS, to TODAY'S NEWS.
Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube
Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward
From:News Limited newspapersJuly 28, 2011
12:00AM
17 comments
Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun
Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied
HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.
Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".
The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.
It contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies" surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .
"Unfortunately this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.
Related Coverage
Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube Perth Now, 2 hours ago
Lady Gaga in YouTube copyright spat Herald Sun, 14 Jul 2011
Woman charged over State of Origin pee Herald Sun, 13 Jul 2011
Officer who sprayed boy to be charged Herald Sun, 22 Jun 2011
Horrific footage of Iranian jet crash Adelaide Now, 6 Jun 2011
"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for many years with many
of the survivors and victims' families, shared the disbelief and horror
about the posted video.
"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."
See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:
Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit
October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM
Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander and Princess Maxima.
Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.
"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.
"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.
"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."
The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.
The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed on the coast of Western
Australia.
They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.
© 2006
AAP
oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed "EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES....and this was AFTER mycori wrote:
28-07-2011, 02:04 AM #29826
crosshairs
OSLO/PORT ARTHUR WARNING post,
AFTER my
AUSTRALIA in 'their' "crosshairs" WARNING post,
WHILE I was being blocked from
David Icke's Official Forum.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
Billy Ruben Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:54 pm
Billy Ruben wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:WELL,THAT WAS INTERESTING,JUST HAD A CHAT WITH BALLARAT POLICE,ALTHOUGH I CAN'T PRESS CHARGES (INTERNET STALKING),CAUSE I'VE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH HER,BUT TINTIN,"I AM" AND OTHERS,CAN PRESS CHARGES....BUT THE BEST BIT...GET READY...HE CONFIRMED FOR ME....HAHAHAHAHAHA
Billy Ruben wrote:When I push you over the edge and you pull Mr Policeman on me,like I want you tootrue lilly wrote:ICKE, ASSange, BILL RYAN, CIGGY,
TINTIN, CORI, and so on and on the list
of CON Industry PUSHERS goes...and made
FILTHY 'RICH' through 'their' WORK as
MASS ANTI-SOCIAL MANIPULATORS, who
HATE me FOR being CONTENT with ENOUGH,
NOT ENVYING NOR HATING THE 'TRULY WEALTHY'.
Learn something about cops,they're not in it for justice,they look after their own,corrupt and facilitate evil,you'd better watch it Suzy,Victorian Cops are'nt as lenient as NSW cops,they shoot mental patients down your way,set you up,you'll start rambling with a kitchen knife...and BLAM!!!,they put the rabid idiot out to pasture for ever and ever.Amen...Amen-Ra
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:Unhived Mind Website Taken Down...!!!true lilly wrote:
Fine by me,
I got all of my thread on that site,
on hard copy.
Unfortunately, Team Tintin have been flat out,
re-writing all his myths (as if actual history),
on "tintin's", "The News Behind The News" thread,
at
Fortunately, the readership of that thread has plummeted.
SO WHAT,WHO'D BELIEVE YOU ANYWAY...DON'T HAVE THOSE PHOTOS DO YOU???...OF SAY...A CAR BOMBING???...THOUGHT SO...
ps,SHE DOES'NT HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH THE HUMILIATION THERE ANY MORE,CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE HAPPY...I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WONDER WOMAN HAD TO SAY TO YOU...
LULZ,
so has yours significantly,the Lying Conspiracy has'nt been bumped since Christmas,ROFLMAO,hypocrite...and you're still posting shit from Oxleys site,passing it off as "NEW" news....dribbling on the floor,gasping for air laughter...
true lilly wrote:Talk about full blow delusions...
what doesn't 'Jason'/'Billy Ruben' GET, about BEING IGNORED,
that he simply has to keep texting me about what he's posting?
And despite contradicting himself with and within every text, he's
still hanging onto some insane idea that he's 'winning'?... something???
e.g. the latest just in:...and what doesn't he get about 'them'Billy Ruben wrote:Making progress r
we,god stopping
me,no,ur faith must
be shattered,he looks
after me very
well,bitch
(those 'respected' people he 'defends' ),
trying and failing to 'shatter my faith'
for 50 years, that he believes his overtly
erratic, filthy, violent, mind, could even
come close to breaking my faith in The God,
Who, he and all of 'them', so violently hate?
Especially when all he is doing, is breaking,
'their' (those 'respected' people's), cover 'as',
'worthy of respect', by putting himself up as
'their'
supporter and defender.
well,that was a heap of shit bitch,about as reasoning as this video.Nah,I just shit stir you about God,I kind of think you don't deserve to know him,but come to think of it,you need it more than most...and a little therapy and a heavy regimen of anti-psychotics that you avoid so dilligently,until I ring the mental health authorities come Monday morning.But I have the pleasure,to know,to avoid capture,you'll renounce God,to stay out the loonie bin,that's how I'll rig it...
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke", this thread is on the First Page. So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts, TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL (by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE, IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post. So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you", THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS (the Stolen, Dehidrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT", "you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home, recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!), gives people GOOD REASON TO READ WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS, THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE, AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.
lying fucking bitch,every word of it and you fool no-one,there's new members here,fully aware of your decrepid dying spirit.Not one word does anyone believe of you,but at least you can see why people beat you up and I would do the same,if you were local and handy,not to use my fist,but to kick you as the low dugfucker that you are,then expectorate upon your mashed in face,you're not worth blowing one's nose on,filth,un-woman like and not up to the spiritual worth,to deliver Gods word.The only idiot that does'nt get it,is stubborn fuckwit you,where's hOrSeY?,burned him like everybody else,by now,what,you blackmailed him to do your bidding before,now he's not here and the harassment is much worse than last time.You lost your own family through your schizoid ramblings,they turned on you,not conspired,because you're a basket case,it was sad to learn at first,but seeing the way you really are spastic,I applaud your former husband,getting them out and to a safer,much more loving woman than you could ever be,you're an incubator,not a woman.
[quote=”Billy Ruben”]Billy Ruben wrote:CARRY ON WITH YOUR SHIT AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE,YOU JUST GAVE AWAY WHY YOU MOUTH OFF ABOUT TINTIN,CAUSE YOU KNOW HE'S GOT TOO MUCH INTEGRITY TO BOTHER WITH A LOSER LIKE YOU AND FOR THAT,I THANK YOU...BUT YOU HAVE MADE PROGRESS,YOU ADMIT YOU'RE NOT RESPECTFUL,EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING TO YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ALMIGHTY,YOU FINALLY GET IT MADAM...BY YOUR OWN WORDS AND KICKED AN "OWN GOAL"...GOOD GIRL MADAM,GOOD GIRL...YOU KNOW HOW TO PLEASE ME AFTER ALL....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THREATENED TO STEAL...i OFFERED TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND BACK,$600-700 IN FUEL,TO TAKE IT OFF YOUR HANDS YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT...F*CK YOU.
EVERYONE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH OF THAT,WHEN THEY READ THIS...I WOULD'NT HURT AN ANIMAL,BUT I'D KICK YOU LOWER THAN ANY DOG...LYING BAG OF SHIT...HATE YOU...
[/quote]DESPITE MY ILL FEELING ON OCCASSION TO SOD AND MANAGEMENT HERE,I TAKE THE TIME TO APOLOGISE,PUTTING YOU UNDER PRESSURE WITH THE CONSTANT COMPLAINTS I CAUSE AND FOR BEING FAIR ABOUT IT AND STAYING IN THE BACKGROUND WHILE THIS EVENT,HAMMERS ITSELF OUT.IT'S BEEN HARD FOR EVERYONE,ESPECIALLY ME,WHEN SO MUCH BETTER THINGS CAN BE WRITTEN,DISCUSSED AND OBSERVED...ONCE THE DRAGON,USES ITS DUNGEON,IT'LL BE LEFT ALONE,TO ITS DEVICES AND SHE CAN SAY WHATEVER SHE WANTS ABOUT PEOPLE...BUT AT LEAST SHE KNOWS HER PLACE...AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL KNOW,JUST HOW SPITEFUL AND PATHETIC,IT REALLY IS...THANKYOU IN ADVANCE,BILLY.
true lilly wrote:Talk about full blow delusions...
what doesn't 'Jason'/'Billy Ruben' GET, about BEING IGNORED,
that he simply has to keep texting me about what he's posting?
And despite contradicting himself with and within every text, he's
still hanging onto some insane idea that he's 'winning'?... something???
e.g. the latest just in:...and what doesn't he get about 'them'Billy Ruben wrote:Making progress r
we,god stopping
me,no,ur faith must
be shattered,he looks
after me very
well,bitch
(those 'respected' people he 'defends' ),
trying and failing to 'shatter my faith'
for 50 years, that he believes his overtly
erratic, filthy, violent, mind, could even
come close to breaking my faith in The God,
Who, he and all of 'them', so violently hate?
Especially when all he is doing, is breaking,
'their' (those 'respected' people's), cover 'as',
'worthy of respect', by putting himself up as
'their'
supporter and defender.
well,that was a heap of shit bitch,about as reasoning as this video.Nah,I just shit stir you about God,I kind of think you don't deserve to know him,but come to think of it,you need it more than most...and a little therapy and a heavy regimen of anti-psychotics that you avoid so dilligently,until I ring the mental health authorities come Monday morning.But I have the pleasure,to know,to avoid capture,you'll renounce God,to stay out the loonie bin,that's how I'll rig it...
Ok,I know it does'nt suit your arguement,that you keep insisting I have mates and that I'd bother to tell them about this,or would get them involved like you did with Palomino,Sod and any other idiot who had the guts to front up.F*ck you,the last thing I want,is Tintin,coming here,wasting his time,like I do,highlighting your lies that are endless, and when one fails,you invent another,like the injured cats you schizoid shitbag...BUT,you never admit your filthy tactics and the knowledge you get from others,so I'm sending you down the path that I went through with my niece and family,which broke my heart and probably the reason,I MIGHT be developing a serious condition,it's just the doctors word I repeat,but not accept,until the fat lady sings,bitch.Billy Ruben wrote:When I push you over the edge and you pull Mr Policeman on me,like I want you tootrue lilly wrote:ICKE, ASSange, BILL RYAN, CIGGY,
TINTIN, CORI, and so on and on the list
of CON Industry PUSHERS goes...and made
FILTHY 'RICH' through 'their' WORK as
MASS ANTI-SOCIAL MANIPULATORS, who
HATE me FOR being CONTENT with ENOUGH,
NOT ENVYING NOR HATING THE 'TRULY WEALTHY'.
Learn something about cops,they're not in it for justice,they look after their own,corrupt and facilitate evil,you'd better watch it Suzy,Victorian Cops are'nt as lenient as NSW cops,they shoot mental patients down your way,set you up,you'll start rambling with a kitchen knife...and BLAM!!!,they put the rabid idiot out to pasture for ever and ever.Amen...Amen-Ra
As I've said over and over again,retarded one,I have no dealings with Tintin,never spoke to him,if I did,I forgot,obviously.Cori refused to answer me as well,I don't fight for them,I'm using your lies as an example...you are very ungrateful for all the good Tintin did for you,and it's scum like you,that make people lose faith in people and God,who'd follow it,if you're an example of it.I backstabbed a few at DIF and my own friends,first time I ever did it in my life,was the last 18 months,I warned Colin for years,change your attitude,stop the bullshit,lies and rumours you say about your friends and family,the same with Boots and Limelady,they never listened,so I did them.There was a lot of so-called friends,pretending to be one at David Icke forums,whilst keeping me in the dark,of what was being said,and colluding with the bullshit...but I always knew,I just spook them with it,just to let them know,how transparent they always were to me...and I'm proud of it.
Any other hunk of shit you want to bring up.Mountain was a very nice girl there for a while too,I hated her,when she listened to Pinkfreud about me being in love with her,no I was'nt,I just propped her up,cause she was having very big problems at the time with Jose,her guy...as she turned out,she was one of the worst judas's of the lot(Pinkfreud),the very day she got mod-ship,she vowed to f*ck Sean over...I have the PM's,I can screen capture now...do you understand how much I can f*ck these people over know???LOL,ROFLMAO,thankyou,John Drake,love you on the very rare occassion.I have'nt even begun,to stick that knife in real good...and just wait until the people see Limeladies and my last PM together...and the fools who believed I was rude to her...no,I was'nt and Size of Light and Merlincove and Shodan all seen it,but not one,not one of them...supported me...how about that eh?...and look what come out of it.Yeah,I'm consumed by hate for alot of people I used to love...and they deserved every bit of it...and I have'nt even begun to prove it.Oh,I forgave Mountain,you can't stay angry at her,not her fault,she was friends with that lot for years,but she should've stayed out of it...and not spread rumours.Even Hadabusa dropped me from his friends list,how'd the f*ck did he get it wrong,I loved that guy...but he bought the bullshit.I wanted him here,so we could have some fun.That's all...ah,but fark ya's,you all fail before me,as weak people,not to be counted on...in a nutshell,I look after number one these days,you offer me nothing,except target practice...Up Yours,the lot of you...
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:Unhived Mind Website Taken Down...!!!true lilly wrote:
Fine by me,
I got all of my thread on that site,
on hard copy.
Unfortunately, Team Tintin have been flat out,
re-writing all his myths (as if actual history),
on "tintin's", "The News Behind The News" thread,
at
Fortunately, the readership of that thread has plummeted.
SO WHAT,WHO'D BELIEVE YOU ANYWAY...DON'T HAVE THOSE PHOTOS DO YOU???...OF SAY...A CAR BOMBING???...THOUGHT SO...
ps,SHE DOES'NT HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH THE HUMILIATION THERE ANY MORE,CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE HAPPY...I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WONDER WOMAN HAD TO SAY TO YOU...
LULZ,
so has yours significantly,the Lying Conspiracy has'nt been bumped since Christmas,ROFLMAO,hypocrite...and you're still posting shit from Oxleys site,passing it off as "NEW" news....dribbling on the floor,gasping for air laughter...
true lilly wrote:Seriously 'Jason',
how can 'they' keep going around
charging people to be hypnotized,
to believe they were healed 'by jayssusss'
(who the schills pocketing the dough,
claim to 'channel'
when you're running around telling the world that
all your best 'mates'
(the one's you're 'defending', 'from' me???),
are blood sacrificing satanists???
And then there's all those other,
butter wouldn't melt in their
(stone, cold, dead), mouths,
(ANTI) 'social worker' types, who
teach children how to 'stay out of trouble',
when committing the criminal acts that
'they' have also taught them.
You know, all those who go around
wearing a mask of 'respectability'
while laughing at the their victims
for not smelling the devil behind the mask.
And still the texts continue; ha! and proving
'Billy Ruben' can't even grasp that concept.
The idiot doesn't know the difference between,
'a mask of respectability' and
'being worthy of respect'...or does, and believes
that the former has more 'currency',
simply because,
The Mask Wearing Demons, Out-Number
the humble little good guys...but 'they' always,
fail to take into account, that,
The Perfect Accountant IS Keeping Perfect Account.
...and that, not only are, wolves hiding among the sheep...
...but watchmen, are hidden amongst the wolves...
JUST HAD TO DELELE THE OTHER WORTHLESS SHIT,SO WE CAN DEAL WITH YOUR WORTHLESS LIES...THE PREFECT ACCOUNTANT EH?THE OMNIPOTENT ONE,RIGHTO,WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT LIARS,SLANDERERS,AND CONSPIRATIST SPEAKING AND PREACHING IN HIS NAME...AND ASKING FOR MONEY,WELL?...HUMBLE LITTLE GUYS,YOU'RE CALLING PEOPLE TOGETHER,TRYING TO SCARE ME OFF,I'M THE LONER HERE SWEETIE,YOU SHOVE THAT UP YOUR ARSE,EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR PATTERNS,EVEN ON THESE THREADS YOU URGE TO ATTACK OTHERS,ALL THE TIME,SHOVE IT AND YOUR LIES UP YOUR AHAIRY ARSE,I HATE YOU...AND WILL FINISH WITH YOU,WHEN YOU ARE COMPLETELY DESTROYED,GO ON,ADMIT HOW MANY TIMES YOU CONSPIRED ON ME AND IT BLEW BACK IN YOUR FACE,THAT,MY DEAR,IS HOW GOD WORKS,YOU KNOW HIM NOT,I DON'T HIDE MY INTENTION,I ANNOUNCE THEM BEFORE I DO THEM,UP YOURS SUZY RYAN,I GIVE NOT A TOSS FOR YOUR LIES,INTERPRETATIONS OR WELL-BEING,OK?...YOU'VE GONE WAY OVER THE LINE,YOU LAUGH AT MY ILLNESS,I WANT YOU DEAD,OK?,NOW YOU KNOW.
Billy Ruben wrote:so,everything True lilly says is the opposite...and a fooking lie...
lets investigate the reversal to her name
TRUE = LYING
LILLY = VAGINA
PUT TOGETHER...
LYING C*NT...THAT'S YOUR NAME FOR NOW ON SHITBAG...
http://www.health.vic.gov.au/mentalhealth/services/adult/grampians-a.htmBilly Ruben wrote:I might just start hunting around for what I really believe,you've been lying about money and more than one occassion try to extort or will it away from people.
YOU SEE TRUE LILLY,YOU'RE SO LUCKY,TINTIN IS SUCH A GENTLEMAN WITH INTEGRITY AND WOULD'NT WASTE HIS TIME ARGUING WITH A SCHIZOID LIKE YOU,SULLYING HIS NAME TO DEFEND AGAINST YOUR LIES AND ACCUSATIONS...OTHERWISE,I'D UTILIZE EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO BREAK YOU.NO HOLDS BARRED.MY NAME IS MUD LONG AGO,SO DO YOU THINK I CARE HOW I LOOK,NO....BUT MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN YOU WILL EVER BE,CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE A NORMAL PERSON.NOTICE KABONG AND I HAVE A GOOD TIME IN THAT WOODSTOCK THREAD AND YOU COME ALONG,SEE,THERE'S NOTHING TO YOU BUT MINDLESS LIES AND DRIVEL....HAHAHAHAHAHA,I STILL HAVE MY FAMILY AFTER REAL TRIALS MADAM,I DO MORE OF GODS WORK THAN YOU'LL EVER COMPREHEND,YOU'RE NOTHING...BUT A MORONIC SCHIZOID AND A DANGEROUS ONE...
think I'm bluffing,guess again,have no shame in this and will rejoice the victory I have in mind for you...and I promise to pay one visit to you,just for that glee,that satisfaction and I gaze into those vacant scared eyes of yours,you want to be scared Suzy Ryan...you want to be...and we'll find,if your name is Suzy Ryan and someone you're setting up for the fall,such is the amount of lies and bullshit."I Am" was right about you fucktard,"She does'nt half talk a load of shit" and when people see you laugh at my condition and lie about the cats,you'll lose even more of your lousy readership,ha!,you already have,hahahahahaha,you're irrelevant and imbecilic
Billy Ruben- Posts : 8077
Join date : 2010-03-29
Location : No Fixed Address
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
Billy Ruben Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:27 am
JUST RANG THE LYING COW,SHE AVOIDED ALL THE QUESTIONS HAD NOTHING TO SAY AND HER SPEECH WAS SO SLOWED AND SLURRED,SHE WAS DOSED UP ON SOMETHING,PITY,IT DOES'NT REMOVE HER DELUSIONS ABOUT EVERYONE SHE INTERACTS WITH.I WROTE HER OFF,NO SWEARING OR THREATS AND LAUGHED IN HER FACE FOR DESTROYING HER CREDIBILTY (VERY LITTLE OF) AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE DENIES AND SPAMS AWAY,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT AND SHE'LL NEVER RECOVER FROM IT."sHE SAYS,I GOT TO GO NOW,THANKYOU",IN THAT HIDEOUS PIXIE SHIT TONE VOICE OF HERS,UGLY OUTSIDE AND UGLY TO THE BONE THAT ONE IS...THIS IS VICTORY...THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STEP WAY OVER THE LINE,FOR TOO LONG,THIS HAS BEEN COMING...SHE'S SO UGLY,YOU GOT NO IDEA,THE VULGARNESS OF ITS VOICE,HIDEOUS.HERE'S HER PHONE NUMBER:0424705576...SORRY,I CHOSE BROWN,BROWN FOR POOP THAT DRIVELS OUT HER MOUTH...
Billy Ruben- Posts : 8077
Join date : 2010-03-29
Location : No Fixed Address
Re: "TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:31 am
Gee, OVER 17 hours old,
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE?
)
POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS
And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH......TO,
those 'cleaning them up'... ...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',
I do THINK, and I do think 'you' have, "given a shit", right down
the legs 'you' still have, unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS ,
who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore... 
Two critically injured
in chemical blast at Cannons Creek
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
17 comments
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011
Two men were seriously injured in the explosion. Picture: Tess Follett Herald Sun
< Prev1 of 3Next >UPDATE 12pm:
TWO men critically injured
in a backyard explosion
in Cannons Creek last night
were making a home-made explosive,
police say.
Neighbours felt shockwaves as the blast ripped through the area
about 11pm, with one of the men losing both of his legs in the accident.
The blast happened at a gathering of family and friends where the men in
their 20s were mixing commonly bought chemicals in a metal tin, with up
to 12 others standing back.
When asked if the explosion was caused by an amateur bomb,
Arson Squad Senior Detective Cameron Lunny said:
"I'd call it an improvised explosive device".
"It's been likened to a huge thunder clap from what I understand," he said.
He said the men were just experimenting with the chemicals, which the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, and that nothing sinister was at play.
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Two men burned in blast at pub Courier Mail, 21 Jun 2011
"They were just having a bit of a muck around I think,'' Sen Det Lunny said.
"There's certainly no indication there was anything apart from experimenting."
The 23-year-old Cannons Creek man and 24-year-old from Pakenham were
standing over the mixture, trying to bury it when it went off.
No-one else was hurt and there was no property damaged,
despite the strength of the blast.
Next door neighbour Arlene Trevethan said the explosion created shockwaves.
"It just shook the house. I came out and I thought it was a fire or something,'' she said.
Another neighbour initially thought an earthquake had struck.
Local Robert Dudgeon said he had heard similar explosions in the past, which police are investigating.
"There were others here over the past month or so,'' he said.
"One night there were three in a row. Whether it's the same source or not, I don't know."
Sen Det Lunny pleaded with others not to experiment with dangerous chemicals.
"We're getting a lot recently of people undertaking mixing of chemicals.
It just goes to show it's not a very smart thing to do and I just plead to
the people thinking about this not to do it - it's very, very dangerous."
He didn't say whether the injured men had sourced the recipe from the internet or whether charges would be laid.
The two men were airlifted to Melbourne hospitals where they remain in critical conditions.
Intensive care paramedic Ben Meadley said the men suffered extensive injuries.
"A 24 year-old man
suffered significant blast-type injures
to his legs and hands,
the type of injury you would more liken to
what you would see in a war situation
rather than in outer suburban Melbourne,'' he said.
"He also had severe airway burns and facial burns.''
The man was put into an induced coma
before he was flown to the Royal Melbourne Hospital in a critical condition.
A 23-year-old man suffered burns to his face and arms and burns to his airway
which can cause swelling and restrict breathin.
Anyone with information should contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit Crime Stoppers
- with Shelley Hadfield
17 comments on this story
Well, I mentioned somewhere, how OFF 'Jason/Billy Ruben's',
"'intelligence' gathered by idiots", IS, after he rang me, again,
to mention 'that' thread of his(=add to his threats to my person,
because he knows he's on ignore and is obsessed with trying to
scare me), but it's been over half a day since he promised to
"BURY=SPAM OVER" my latest posts, and, well since then,
someone in Melbourne has BLOWN HIS LEGS OFF...
another
of 'their' Very Unfortunate 'mates' ...
...and 'certain' 'nice' GAME PLAYING people
still complain AT OTHER people,
about my choice of friends (it's a VERY small selection),
Only to KEEP THEM TRAPPED AMONG Such,
DANGEROUSLY EXPLOSIVE 'mates' ...
Critically injured men 'were making an IED'
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
UPDATE 12pm:
TWO men critically injured
in a backyard explosion in Cannons Creek
were making a home-made explosive,
police say.
'Jason'/'Billy Ruben', and,
"SHUT THE HELL UP,
about Australia!"
David Icke Australian Tour - Completely Sold Out!!!
by Billy Ruben
ahh, yes, but to WHOM....
...and, what and whom 
will they be watching for...
11:46AM Monday Aug 22, 2011
Today's News
Miracle at The Gap
The notorious cliffs can be a place of tragedy.
So how did Nellie Bishop survive
after stepping off the ledge?
It can be a place of tragedy but
The Gap has witnessed miracles, too.
Miracle at The Gap:
the day Nellie tried to end it
and came out alive
Author and Herald writer Peter FitzSimons
says this story - originally published in
this month's issue of the(sydney)magazine
- has generated an extraordinary reaction from Sydneysiders.
For those of you who missed it,
we thought we'd run it again.
But first, here's what FitzSimons says:
It is one of those things. Sometimes you write
something that seems to touch a chord with readers, and in 25 years of
writing for the SMH, I don't think I have ever had a greater, nor more
poignant response than this piece. All of us have been touched by the
subject of suicide in some measure, and my best hope is that this story
might give hope to those who contemplate it. And I am quite serious, by
the way, about there being a need to have a plaque at the Gap, at the
spot Nellie jumped, telling something of her story.
... It is a bright,
beautiful Tuesday afternoon,
November 13, 1923....
Read the whole thing at:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/miracle-at-the-gap-the-day-nellie-tried-to-end-it-and-came-out-alive-20110819-1j1m0.html
But, isn't it interesting, to more than only me,
that this VERY OLD NEWS Report, that's also
an Old Magazine Story, is REPEATED AGAIN as
The First/Main/Lead NEWS/IMAGE Story in
TODAY'S SYDNEY MORNING HERALD... ...
...ALONG with THIS VERY OLD NEWS,
ALSO getting a RE-RUN TODAY on SBS News...
...remember, they have long controlled the
"PUBLIC RELEASE" Dates And TIMING of
IMPORTANT, RELATED, Scientific Discoveries...
Oldest fossil found in WA: scientists
22 August 2011 | 03:03:04 AM | Source: AAP
Scientists in Western Australia have uncovered fossils
which they say are the oldest evidence of life on earth.
A team of researchers from the University of WA
and Britain's Oxford University say they have proof
that the microscopic fossils, found at Strelley Pool
near Port Headland, are more than 3.4 billion years old.
The sulphur-based bacteria was found well preserved
between quartz sand grains in prehistoric sedimentary rocks,
Oxford University's Professor Martin Brasier said.
"We can be very sure about the age (of the fossils)
as the rocks were formed between two volcanic successions
that narrow the possible age down to a few tens of millions of years,"
he said in a statement.
The fossils are very clearly preserved, showing precise
cell-like structures all of a similar size, the research team said.
"At last we have good solid evidence
for life over 3.4 billion years ago.
It confirms there were bacteria
at this time, living without oxygen,"
Prof Brasier said.
"Such bacteria are still common today.
Sulphur bacteria are found in
smelly ditches, soil, hot springs, hydrothermal
vents -
anywhere where there's little free oxygen
and they can live off organic matter."
In recent years new scientific benchmarks have
been introduced that must be satisfied by researchers
before claims can be made about the age of fossils.
The West Australian fossils pass crucial tests including that
the forms seen in the rocks are biological and have not occurred
through some mineralisation process, Prof Brasier said.
"We're now making detailed comparisons with all other early microfossils,
and we're very optimistic for future finds," he said.
"The work also has implications for looking for life on other planets,
giving an indication of what evidence for such life might look like."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1580480/Oldest-fossil-found-in-WA:-scientists
(...'they' say...but MEAN:
IT'S SOLID EVIDENCE WE CAN TRUST
WHAT GOD TOLD US,
ABOUT "THE BEGINNING",
FROM THE BEGINNING ...
and, HOW IT WILL ALL PAN OUT!)
Oldest vertebrate fossil found in Australia,
scientists say
Thursday, 23 October 2003
Our oldest ancestor?
560 million year old 'tadpole'
found in South Australia
(South Australian Museum)
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/ancient/AncientRepublish_973390.htm
Oh and there is so much more of this sort of news,
that sings the truth of God's Word, scattered, planted,
buried, all over the place, for those who do care to,
SEARCH WITH THEIR WHOLE HEART, MIND and STRENGTH.
It's HYPNOSIS, that all!
Specialise: Candida Balancing, Emotional,
Mercury/Heavy Metal Elimination,
Pain Release, Sabotage Clearing,
Spiritual, Sports/Stretching, Vision Improvement,
TMJ, Learning Problems
Trained in: Psychology, Flower Essence Therapy, Counselling, Life Coaching
Bremen, Germany
http://www.kinergetics.com.au/KinShop.asp?KinCoursePage=2
It's HYPNOSIS, that all!
have I warned that my enemies
are also enemies of Australia
and Every Living Soul who
DOESN'T HATE THE CREATOR OF LIFE...
...Too BLOODY Many!
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011
...and, it's ALL THERE,
FREELY AVAILABLE TO ANYONE
who cares to put GOD'S WORD and
WHAT IS REAL IN THIS REAL WORLD,
ABOVE what GOD'S ENEMIES PREACH.
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE?
) POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS
And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH...
...TO,those 'cleaning them up'...
...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',I do THINK, and I do think 'you' have, "given a shit", right down
the legs 'you' still have, unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS
, who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore...
Two critically injured
in chemical blast at Cannons Creek
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
17 comments
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011
Two men were seriously injured in the explosion. Picture: Tess Follett Herald Sun
< Prev1 of 3Next >UPDATE 12pm:
TWO men critically injured
in a backyard explosion
in Cannons Creek last night
were making a home-made explosive,
police say.
Neighbours felt shockwaves as the blast ripped through the area
about 11pm, with one of the men losing both of his legs in the accident.
The blast happened at a gathering of family and friends where the men in
their 20s were mixing commonly bought chemicals in a metal tin, with up
to 12 others standing back.
When asked if the explosion was caused by an amateur bomb,
Arson Squad Senior Detective Cameron Lunny said:
"I'd call it an improvised explosive device".
"It's been likened to a huge thunder clap from what I understand," he said.
He said the men were just experimenting with the chemicals, which the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, and that nothing sinister was at play.
Related Coverage
In Pictures:
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Girl dies in cremation blast Herald Sun, 2 Aug 2011
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Two men burned in blast at pub Courier Mail, 21 Jun 2011
"They were just having a bit of a muck around I think,'' Sen Det Lunny said.
"There's certainly no indication there was anything apart from experimenting."
The 23-year-old Cannons Creek man and 24-year-old from Pakenham were
standing over the mixture, trying to bury it when it went off.
No-one else was hurt and there was no property damaged,
despite the strength of the blast.
Next door neighbour Arlene Trevethan said the explosion created shockwaves.
"It just shook the house. I came out and I thought it was a fire or something,'' she said.
Another neighbour initially thought an earthquake had struck.
Local Robert Dudgeon said he had heard similar explosions in the past, which police are investigating.
"There were others here over the past month or so,'' he said.
"One night there were three in a row. Whether it's the same source or not, I don't know."
Sen Det Lunny pleaded with others not to experiment with dangerous chemicals.
"We're getting a lot recently of people undertaking mixing of chemicals.
It just goes to show it's not a very smart thing to do and I just plead to
the people thinking about this not to do it - it's very, very dangerous."
He didn't say whether the injured men had sourced the recipe from the internet or whether charges would be laid.
The two men were airlifted to Melbourne hospitals where they remain in critical conditions.
Intensive care paramedic Ben Meadley said the men suffered extensive injuries.
"A 24 year-old man
suffered significant blast-type injures
to his legs and hands,
the type of injury you would more liken to
what you would see in a war situation
rather than in outer suburban Melbourne,'' he said.
"He also had severe airway burns and facial burns.''
The man was put into an induced coma
before he was flown to the Royal Melbourne Hospital in a critical condition.
A 23-year-old man suffered burns to his face and arms and burns to his airway
which can cause swelling and restrict breathin.
Anyone with information should contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit Crime Stoppers
- with Shelley Hadfield
17 comments on this story
Well, I mentioned somewhere, how OFF 'Jason/Billy Ruben's',
"'intelligence' gathered by idiots", IS, after he rang me, again,
to mention 'that' thread of his(=add to his threats to my person,
because he knows he's on ignore and is obsessed with trying to
scare me), but it's been over half a day since he promised to
"BURY=SPAM OVER" my latest posts, and, well since then,
someone in Melbourne has BLOWN HIS LEGS OFF...
anotherof 'their'
Very Unfortunate 'mates' ......and 'certain' 'nice' GAME PLAYING people
still complain AT OTHER people,
about my choice of friends (it's a VERY small selection),
Only to KEEP THEM TRAPPED AMONG Such,
DANGEROUSLY EXPLOSIVE 'mates'
... Critically injured men 'were making an IED'
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
UPDATE 12pm:
TWO men critically injured
in a backyard explosion in Cannons Creek
were making a home-made explosive,
police say.
Listen to your masters,true lilly wrote:So cori=wants 99.9% of humans dead,
which of my enemies in the real world, are
you supporting?
Those who say 'they' "channel jeesuss",
or those who come straight out and admit
that 'the lord's prayer' they 'raised' their kids by,
was 'the lord's prayer'
straight out of The Satanic Bible.
And now it seems 'Jason'
has lost the ability to read at all,
as well as comprehend.
Maybe I'll just have to forward all his texts
to all 'those' 'respected' people
he is so overtly, so publicly,
demonstrating his supported association with,
in 'their' mutual pushing of the same
(not so secret anymore), satanic agenda,
and let 'them' sort 'their' own yapping dog.
And so what if some among them,
are, actually worthy of respect,
or just haven't had their cover blown yet;
surely they are entitled
to know the public and private character of
those who Publicly claim to privately
Share a Satanic Association with
those who claim to be
'Christian' Business People.
'Jason'/'Billy Ruben', and,
"SHUT THE HELL UP,
about Australia!"
David Icke Australian Tour - Completely Sold Out!!!
by Billy Ruben
ahh, yes, but to WHOM.... ...and, what and whom
will they be watching for...
11:46AM Monday Aug 22, 2011
Today's News
Miracle at The Gap
The notorious cliffs can be a place of tragedy.
So how did Nellie Bishop survive
after stepping off the ledge?
It can be a place of tragedy but
The Gap has witnessed miracles, too.
Miracle at The Gap:
the day Nellie tried to end it
and came out alive
Author and Herald writer Peter FitzSimons
says this story - originally published in
this month's issue of the(sydney)magazine
- has generated an extraordinary reaction from Sydneysiders.
For those of you who missed it,
we thought we'd run it again.
But first, here's what FitzSimons says:
It is one of those things. Sometimes you write
something that seems to touch a chord with readers, and in 25 years of
writing for the SMH, I don't think I have ever had a greater, nor more
poignant response than this piece. All of us have been touched by the
subject of suicide in some measure, and my best hope is that this story
might give hope to those who contemplate it. And I am quite serious, by
the way, about there being a need to have a plaque at the Gap, at the
spot Nellie jumped, telling something of her story.
... It is a bright,
beautiful Tuesday afternoon,
November 13, 1923....
Read the whole thing at:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/miracle-at-the-gap-the-day-nellie-tried-to-end-it-and-came-out-alive-20110819-1j1m0.html
But, isn't it interesting, to more than only me,
that this VERY OLD NEWS Report, that's also
an Old Magazine Story, is REPEATED AGAIN as
The First/Main/Lead NEWS/IMAGE Story in
TODAY'S SYDNEY MORNING HERALD...
......ALONG with THIS VERY OLD NEWS,
ALSO getting a RE-RUN TODAY on SBS News...
...remember, they have long controlled the
"PUBLIC RELEASE" Dates And TIMING of
IMPORTANT, RELATED, Scientific Discoveries...
Oldest fossil found in WA: scientists
22 August 2011 | 03:03:04 AM | Source: AAP
Scientists in Western Australia have uncovered fossils
which they say are the oldest evidence of life on earth.
A team of researchers from the University of WA
and Britain's Oxford University say they have proof
that the microscopic fossils, found at Strelley Pool
near Port Headland, are more than 3.4 billion years old.
The sulphur-based bacteria was found well preserved
between quartz sand grains in prehistoric sedimentary rocks,
Oxford University's Professor Martin Brasier said.
"We can be very sure about the age (of the fossils)
as the rocks were formed between two volcanic successions
that narrow the possible age down to a few tens of millions of years,"
he said in a statement.
The fossils are very clearly preserved, showing precise
cell-like structures all of a similar size, the research team said.
"At last we have good solid evidence
for life over 3.4 billion years ago.
It confirms there were bacteria
at this time, living without oxygen,"
Prof Brasier said.
"Such bacteria are still common today.
Sulphur bacteria are found in
smelly ditches, soil, hot springs, hydrothermal
vents -
anywhere where there's little free oxygen
and they can live off organic matter."
In recent years new scientific benchmarks have
been introduced that must be satisfied by researchers
before claims can be made about the age of fossils.
The West Australian fossils pass crucial tests including that
the forms seen in the rocks are biological and have not occurred
through some mineralisation process, Prof Brasier said.
"We're now making detailed comparisons with all other early microfossils,
and we're very optimistic for future finds," he said.
"The work also has implications for looking for life on other planets,
giving an indication of what evidence for such life might look like."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1580480/Oldest-fossil-found-in-WA:-scientists
(
...'they' say...but MEAN:IT'S SOLID EVIDENCE WE CAN TRUST
WHAT GOD TOLD US,
ABOUT "THE BEGINNING",
FROM THE BEGINNING
...and, HOW IT WILL ALL PAN OUT!)
Oldest vertebrate fossil found in Australia,
scientists say
Thursday, 23 October 2003
Our oldest ancestor?
560 million year old 'tadpole'
found in South Australia
(South Australian Museum)
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/ancient/AncientRepublish_973390.htm
Oh and there is so much more of this sort of news,
that sings the truth of God's Word, scattered, planted,
buried, all over the place, for those who do care to,
SEARCH WITH THEIR WHOLE HEART, MIND and STRENGTH.
It's HYPNOSIS, that all!
Specialise: Candida Balancing, Emotional,
Mercury/Heavy Metal Elimination,
Pain Release, Sabotage Clearing,
Spiritual, Sports/Stretching, Vision Improvement,
TMJ, Learning Problems
Trained in: Psychology, Flower Essence Therapy, Counselling, Life Coaching
Bremen, Germany
http://www.kinergetics.com.au/KinShop.asp?KinCoursePage=2
It's HYPNOSIS, that all!
And for how many yearstrue lilly wrote:So cori=wants 99.9% of humans dead,
which of my enemies in the real world, are
you supporting?
Those who say 'they' "channel jeesuss",
or those who come straight out and admit
that 'the lord's prayer' they 'raised' their kids by,
was 'the lord's prayer'
straight out of The Satanic Bible.
And now it seems 'Jason'
has lost the ability to read at all,
as well as comprehend.
Maybe I'll just have to forward all his texts
to all 'those' 'respected' people
he is so overtly, so publicly,
demonstrating his supported association with,
in 'their' mutual pushing of the same
(not so secret anymore), satanic agenda,
and let 'them' sort 'their' own yapping dog.
And so what if some among them,
are, actually worthy of respect,
or just haven't had their cover blown yet;
surely they are entitled
to know the public and private character of
those who Publicly claim to privately
Share a Satanic Association with
those who claim to be
'Christian' Business People.
have I warned that my enemies
are also enemies of Australia
and Every Living Soul who
DOESN'T HATE THE CREATOR OF LIFE...
...Too BLOODY Many!
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011
...and, it's ALL THERE,
FREELY AVAILABLE TO ANYONE
who cares to put GOD'S WORD and
WHAT IS REAL IN THIS REAL WORLD,
ABOVE what GOD'S ENEMIES PREACH.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
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