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Post  true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:36 am

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I'd imagine there will be something in this article...

Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dies aged 56

56 is the Dailing code for Chile

I was looking on the October 6 Wiki page and one that stands out is...
dixie d wrote:
The Jazz Singer

It's difficult for me to get my head around what these articles mean.

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dixie d wrote:And the point being?

I'd also say there is also a link to I Robot (film)
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"protecting" 'cori', I see, as usual....yes well, it is desperate...
Nurses gagged, afraid of management
'they' "TOUCH", for 'their' FINANCIAL Health...
WHO'S "WE", PALEFACE? CORI HAS ORDERED DEATH TO EVERYONE
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Post  true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:09 am

October 6
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For its use in Egypt, see 6th of October (disambiguation).

October 6 is the 279th day of the year (280th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 86 days remaining until the end of the year.

Contents[hide]

  • 1 Events
  • 2 Births
  • 3 Deaths
  • 4 Holidays and observances
  • 5 External links
6th of October may refer to:

  • October 6 is the 279th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar
  • 6th of October Governorate Governorate in Egypt
  • 6th October City, a capital of the 6th of October Governorate
  • 6th October Bridge, an elevated highway in Cairo, Egypt
  • Yom Kippur War, aka 6th of October war, a war between Egypt and Israel
oh wiki wiki woo woo's...why so desperate to be so desperately obvious...
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Post  true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:20 am

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Post  true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:07 am

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Like I've mentioned, if I post it, it's worth paying attention to, and,
like I've mentioned, when I started this thread, there were not, nearly
5000 "BEAR" stories in the news...

BEAR in news again. TIN TIN R U There??

Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

No wonder "tintin's" run away, and readers are leaving in droves.
When you Google:
tintin australia the biggest secret david icke,
THIS IS THE FIRST OFFERING -


The NEWS behind the NEWS. - Page 43 - David Icke's Official Forumsforum.davidicke.com › Main Forums › Today's News
10 posts - 3 authors - Last post: 28 Oct 2007
That is the UNOFFICIAL national song of Australia.
Frank baum ... AUSTRALIA is the BIG SECRET. tintin is offline ...
Find More Posts by tintin ...


THIS IS THE SECOND -

BEAR in news again. TIN TIN R U There?? - David Icke's Official Forumswww.davidicke.com › ... › Main Forums › Today's News
9 posts - 4 authors - Last post: 19 Mar 2008
NEMO is located in AUSTRALIA. The TINTIN album about the MAGPIE is ...

NOT 'David Icke's' GREAT DECEPTION.
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DNA Links to 2nd Mauling

279 related articles

Bear chases dog into Pennsylvania home, attacks couple
CNN - 332 related articles

Market Nears Bear Territory
Wall Street Journal - 4132 related articles

4132
332
279
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And the telling thing is, that "tintin" MAULED HIMSELF,
when HE SET OUT TO LIE & DECEIVE, and CAME TO,
MY HOME FOR 3 WEEKS, to personally look for a way
TO MAUL ME, BECAUSE HE KNEW I DIDN'T LIE,
ABOUT GOD'S WORD REVEALING THE SAVING TRUTH.
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...sad thing is,
there is more valuable insight in one of dixie's links,
than all 'tintin's' ever done, which is only slave to
keep the hoodwinks on, CONfuse, CONfound and
scare the shitter out of everyone not already kissing
beastly demonic arse.
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Post  true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:24 pm

true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
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...sad thing is,
there is more valuable insight in one of dixie's links,
than all 'tintin's' ever done, which is only slave to
keep the hoodwinks on, CONfuse, CONfound and
scare the shitter out of everyone not already kissing
beastly demonic arse.
7-10-2011
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...and meanwhile, I continue to get texts from 'Billy Ruben',
admitting that it never was 'tintin' that thinking people came to read.

The latest: "Spammed u good"...get that...you DO GET THAT...
what IT MEANS, "SPAMMED U GOOD"!!!.

"SPAMMED YOU GOOD"!!! is 'their' self defeating, childishly gloating,
ADMISSION that SPAMMING MY POSTS and THREADS, IS The Method
of CENSORSHIP that's 'SODLIKE' MODERATORS use TO SILENCE and
BURY, WHAT 'DAVID ICKE=tintin' will and do, do anything to PREVENT
PEOPLE WAKING UP TO, including; THREATEN, LITERALLY FIGHT, and
Socially, Financially and PHYSICALLY ATTACK.

idiots...fools...sycophantic walking dead...may as well come and bow
at my feet, as 'they' do the whores who are using them to death.

Mind you, all that the Justice Doers who SECRETLY WATCH need do,
to KNOW WHAT 'they' ARE GUILTY of (and WHO 'they' ARE), is 'read'
which of my posts precedes 'their' PERSONALLY ADMITTED, Heavy,
SPAM ATTACKS.
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 93349 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 233183

And as for any Genuine Seekers of Understanding of THE SAVING TRUTH,
who may stumble in here...or read over their FALSE 'friends' shoulders...
well NONE of 'them' CAN BE TRUSTED BY ANYONE, INCLUDING PARTNERS
In Crime and BLOOD RELATIVES (it's the nature of beast and it's followers),
well those independent thinkers, are well served by The Liars, Saturation
Advertising, in the form of their FLOODS OF SPAM that UNDERSCORE what
I do care and bother to freely share: The Undeniable Truth of God's Word.
Very Happy Smile

Anyway, I have things to do...look forward to seeing 'their' latest displays
of the insanity of the transparent lies of the walking dead...
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admajic wrote:
Originally Posted by dixie d
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It's difficult for me to get my head around what these articles and links mean.
Thats cause there is nothing to get your head around. LOL!!
'YOU' wish Rolling Eyes

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“A European says: I can't understand this, what's wrong with me?
An American says: I can't understand this, what's wrong with him?

I make no suggestion that one side or other is right,
but observation over many years leads me to believe it is true.”
―Terry Pratchett


What is Wrong, with 'them', is that the more they're taught,
the more they want to 'kill the teacher', for knowing more,
and understanding, at all.

psst...'difficult' is not a synonym for 'impossible'...
and...
it's a hard task, attempted, that earns a man respect,
and...
it's a hard task, done well, that earns a man honour.
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Post  Billy Ruben Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:08 pm

true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:David Icke's Official Forums
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...sad thing is,
there is more valuable insight in one of dixie's links,
than all 'tintin's' ever done, which is only slave to
keep the hoodwinks on, CONfuse, CONfound and
scare the shitter out of everyone not already kissing
beastly demonic arse.
7-10-2011
10:30AM

in Victoria Oz

19,212,074 Views

...and meanwhile, I continue to get texts from 'Billy Ruben',
admitting that it never was 'tintin' that thinking people came to read.

The latest: "Spammed u good"...get that...you DO GET THAT...
what IT MEANS, "SPAMMED U GOOD"!!!.

"SPAMMED YOU GOOD"!!! is 'their' self defeating, childishly gloating,
ADMISSION that SPAMMING MY POSTS and THREADS, IS The Method
of CENSORSHIP that's 'SODLIKE' MODERATORS use TO SILENCE and
BURY, WHAT 'DAVID ICKE=tintin' will and do, do anything to PREVENT
PEOPLE WAKING UP TO, including; THREATEN, LITERALLY FIGHT, and
Socially, Financially and PHYSICALLY ATTACK.

idiots...fools...sycophantic walking dead...may as well come and bow
at my feet, as 'they' do the whores who are using them to death.

Mind you, all that the Justice Doers who SECRETLY WATCH need do,
to KNOW WHAT 'they' ARE GUILTY of (and WHO 'they' ARE), is 'read'
which of my posts precedes 'their' PERSONALLY ADMITTED, Heavy,
SPAM ATTACKS.
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 93349 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 233183

And as for any Genuine Seekers of Understanding of THE SAVING TRUTH,
who may stumble in here...or read over their FALSE 'friends' shoulders...
well NONE of 'them' CAN BE TRUSTED BY ANYONE, INCLUDING PARTNERS
In Crime and BLOOD RELATIVES (it's the nature of beast and it's followers),
well those independent thinkers, are well served by The Liars, Saturation
Advertising, in the form of their FLOODS OF SPAM that UNDERSCORE what
I do care and bother to freely share: The Undeniable Truth of God's Word.
Very Happy Smile

Anyway, I have things to do...look forward to seeing 'their' latest displays
of the insanity of the transparent lies of the walking dead...
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 888898

Talking shit gain Suzy,I texted you,yes,but it has nothing to do with Cori and Tintin.It was punishment for your attempts to anger me with your usual spitefulness.

Do you really believe,you're mentally fit to represent God and usher in his word...I don't think so.You must have an honourable and brave character,two things you have proven to be the opposite of...and you know it.


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...and The TIMING...always The TIMING...

U.K. - Wiki Whacked

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It launched with massive fanfare and a radical agenda to
change the way news was reported. It offered anonymity to whistleblowers
and a platform to freely publish information to a global audience.
WikiLeaks was an instant sensation as it exposed the hidden deeds of
governments and corporations. But now its controversial founder Julian
Assange finds himself isolated - deserted by many of his former partners
and friends and fighting extradition. His organisation is damaged and
can’t currently receive the leaks that are its lifeblood. Can WikiLeaks
survive?



It’s the story WikiLeaks doesn’t want you to know about.


'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. R834830_7730464
Assange awaits decision on extradition to Sweden.


Andrew
Fowler - who first reported on WikiLeaks and its Australian founder
Julian Assange for Foreign Correspondent last year and went on to write a
definitive account of the cyber-phenomenon - The Most Dangerous Man in the World - goes in search again of the truth behind WikiLeaks’ dramatic, chaotic descent into dysfunction, perhaps even collapse.

He’s
tracked down key figures in the launch and spectacular flight of
WikiLeaks and the ascendency of Julian Assange and found shattered
relationships, bitter feuds and the future of the website under a very
dark cloud.

Holed up in his Norfolk bolthole awaiting the result
of his appeal against extradition to Sweden, where he's accused of sex
crimes, Assange denies the whistleblower website he founded is in
crisis.

“There is no problem in the hundreds of relationships
that this organisation has signed partnerships with, on every continent
except Antarctica. None of those have failed. They are all strong.”
Julian Assange, WikiLeaks

But
the evidence of former friends and partners tells otherwise. Such as
former WikiLeaks deputy, Daniel Domscheit-Berg who walked out with
hundreds of thousands of leaked documents, and has now set up his own
rival organisation.

“He threatened me that he would hunt me
down and kill me if I ever f****d up, and the f*****g up part was
related to endangering any of our sources.”

Daniel Domscheit-Berg, WikiLeaks former deputy

And
prominent Icelandic MP Birgitta Jonsdottir - formerly one of Assange’s
biggest supporters also accuses Assange of harassment and abuse. The
human rights campaigner worked with him on the release of Collateral
Murder the video that established WikiLeaks as a bold, crusading and
potent new media force.

“It actually did feel a bit abusive to
work in this environment where people were objectified, and only
thought kindly of if they were useful.”

Birgitta Jonsdottir, Icelandic MP and ex WikiLeaks collaborator

Assange
still has his supporters, including prominent lawyer Geoffrey Robertson
QC and journalist and filmmaker Iain Overton, who watched from close
quarters as Julian Assange fought with old media forces like The
Guardian and The New York Times.

“If he is sent (to Sweden and
to jail) I think WikiLeaks will limp on for a while. I doubt they are
going to get any major new revelations given to them and it will
probably just be in a holding pattern until such time as Julian is
released from prison.”

Iain Overton, Bureau of Investigative Journalism
_____________________________________

Transcript


FOWLER:
It’s a two-hour train trip northeast of London, through rolling green
pastures to the English country town of Beccles. This quiet little
community doesn’t toss up a lot of news. The locals still talk of media
megastar Sir David Frost who moved here as a boy more than half a
century ago, but now Beccles is in the spotlight thanks to a blow in
from down under by the name of Julian Assange.

When we arrived he was completing for him the mundane daily task of signing in at the local police station.

“How many days is this Julian?”

JULIAN ASSANGE: “Two hundred… a hundred and sixty eight yeah”.

FOWLER:
The man synonymous with the explosive website WikiLeaks now cuts a
remote, forlorn figure as he heads back to a supporter’s country mansion
where he waits as the wheels of justice turn slowly in his sex crimes
case. Julian Assange is fighting extradition to Sweden where he’s
accused of molesting two women.

JULIAN ASSANGE: [WikiLeaks
Editor-in-Chief] “I felt that I was basically turning into Howard
Hughes. That I had a very small circle of people here, a long way away
from London in rural England and that those few people could be
trusted”.

FOWLER: If Assange and his legal team fail and the man
dubbed ‘the most dangerous man in the world’ is surrendered to Sweden,
gaol time there could be the least of his worries.

JENNIFER
ROBINSON: [Defence Lawyer] “Once Julian is in custody in Sweden to face
domestic prosecution under Swedish law, there is a provision in the US
Sweden treaty which allows for a defendant either facing prosecution or
someone who has been prosecuted and is serving a sentence to be lent to
the US for prosecution”.

GEOFFREY ROBERTSON QC: [Defence
Barrister] “Sweden has been guilty of extraditing a number of
individuals by in fact handing them over without proper process to the
CIA and they’ve been tortured down the line and there have been findings
against Sweden in human rights courts and of course extradition is
partly a political decision and with an extremely right wing Swedish
Government that owes a lot to America, you have a situation where he’d
be more vulnerable than if, for example, he were returned to his own
country, namely Australia”.

FOWLER: It seems like only yesterday
that we first reported on the organisation threatening to change the
future of information and journalism. WikiLeaks was pumping out secret
after big secret and the people behind it forecast a new global
transparency. As a people’s intelligence agency, it opened the door on a
hidden world. An electronic drop box for whistle blowers whose
identities would remain secret and their secrets made public.

From
number 10 Downing Street to the defence department, to MI5, corrupt
governments in Africa and multi nationals dumping toxic chemicals in
third world countries – all were fair game. So too were some of the most
secretive and sensitive corners of government in the United States and
the reaction there was intense. Some very powerful figures want Assange
dead. Prominent conservative Sarah Palin demanded he be hunted down like
the Taliban. Other political heavy weights joined the chorus.

NEWT
GINGRICH: Julian Assange is engaged in warfare. Information terrorism
which leads to people getting killed is terrorism and Julian Assange is
engaged in terrorism. He should be treated as an enemy combatant.

US SENATOR MITCH McCONNELL: He’s done enormous damage to our country. I think the man is a hi-tech terrorist.

JOSEPH BIDEN (US Vice President): I would argue that it’s closer to being a hi-tech terrorist.

ASSANGE:
“It’s a pretty big deal right if Joseph Biden says you’re a hi-tech
terrorist and Sarah Palin says that you should be hunted down like Osama
Bin Laden etcetera and others say that you should be garrotted in your
hotel room and a car bomb would take care of the issue and so on and the
threats against even my children, but what you do is you just take
appropriate precautions”.

IAIN OVERTON: [Bureau of Investigative
Journalism] “I think if he’s extradited the likelihood he’ll be sent
down is pretty great because I think there’s huge amount of political
and international pressure on the judiciary to find against you and then
Swedish laws are pretty harsh when it comes to what he’s been accused
of, and if he is sent down, I think WikiLeaks will limp on for a while. I
doubt they’re going to get any major new revelations given to them and
it will probably just be in a holding pattern until such time as Julian
is released from prison”.

FOWLER: The Julian Assange we profiled a
year or so ago is isolated and without many of his closest most trusted
allies and his truth machine, WikiLeaks, has serious problems. We’ve
tracked down key figures in the launch and spectacular flight of
WikiLeaks and the ascendancy of Julian Assange and we found broken
relationships, bitter feuds and the future of the website under a very
dark cloud.

ASSANGE: “There is no problem in hundreds of
relationships that this organisation has - signed partnerships with
media organisations on every continent except Antarctica. None of those
have failed. They are all strong, they have all produced tremendous
work”.

FOWLER: “How close a relationship did you have with him?”

BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “Do you mean if we kissed or something like that? We were
just friends, but I mothered him. I washed his clothes”.

FOWLER:
Birgitta Jonsdottir is an Icelandic MP, a campaigner for human rights
and open government. She was one of Assange’s closest friends. Now it’s
over. Things got heated when she advised him to stand aside as the
WikiLeaks spokesperson while the sexual molestation allegations played
out.

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: [MP, Iceland] “Yeah it was just one of
these times when you sort of felt that maybe I should have shut up
because there was a lot of anger you know? “

FOWLER: “Like what?”

BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “Well you know what sort of started to happen throughout
this entire process was that there were many threats. It actually did
feel a bit you know abusive to work in this environment where people
were objectified and only thought kindly of if they were useful”.

FOWLER: “In what way was he abusive towards you?”

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “Just you know by threatening you, you know?”

FOWLER: “In what way?”

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “I can’t go into details about that”.

FOWLER: “Why not?”

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: (shakes head)

FOWLER: Jonsdottir and Assange once had grand plans to make Iceland a media haven for free speech. Now they don’t even speak.

ASSANGE:
“Anyone can say whatever they like but Birgitta Jonsdottir’s - although
she did valuable work and I would never detract from the valuable work
that she did - what she thinks is actually not relevant to the
organisation, having been excluded from the organisation she had certain
animosity towards it and towards me.”

DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG:
“Julian is a very brilliant person, he’s very intelligent and on the
other hand I think he lacks some social competence”.

FOWLER: Once
a part of an unbreakable WikiLeaks double act, Daniel Domscheit-Berg
played the computer nerd, Julian Assange the charismatic leader. But
here again the close relationship has turned noxious. For Assange it
founded on trust.

ASSANGE: “He’d been excluded from all source
material. It was viewed that he was not trustworthy. We had concerns
about his stability back in January 2010 and as a result he was phased
out of the high security part of what we were doing”.

FOWLER:
Domscheit-Berg believes Assange, the cyber warrior, developed an
over–inflated ego from the glut of global attention and then he turned
on his own.

DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: [Former WikiLeaks Deputy] “He
threatened me that he would hunt me down and kill me if I ever f****d
up and the f****ing up part was related to endangering any of our
sources and actually that statement came completely out of the blue
because there was no mistake that had happened at that point in time. He
became very paranoid about the way he was dealing with me, dealing with
others as well. It was all about conspiracies, back-stabbing, alleged
backstabbing, alleged conspiracies and that’s just tiresome if you want
to work together”.

FOWLER: Now in Berlin building his own whistle
blower site, Domscheit-Berg has someone WikiLeaks and Assange badly
need. The brains behind the intricate and protective WikiLeaks anonymous
drop box. He’s one of the few in this very public saga who’s kept a lid
on his identity. In the Wiki fraternity he is simply called ‘the
Architect’.

DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “It’s all his creation. Not a
single line of code ever was made by Julian. He has no role in creating
the submission system and neither have I and neither did I or he ever
have access to that system and that person who created it decided to not
provide such a powerful tool to WikiLeaks anymore and he decided to
take it away”.

FOWLER: “What can you tell us about the Architect?”

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “Nothing”.

FOWLER: “Why is that?”

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “He wants to remain anonymous so I have nothing to say about him”.

FOWLER: “But how can someone remain anonymous in such a transparent area?”

BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “If you want to protect the people that want to be only
working on the content not the politics, you should absolutely honour
that”.

FOWLER: “How important is the role of the architect?”

BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “It’s very”.

FOWLER: “In what way?”

BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “He’s a genius”. He’s a genius and you know writing the
stuff that you need to write, the coding, the encryptions to make sure
that people can leak documents without being tracked”.

FOWLER:
The super security of the Wiki website designed and delivered by the
Architect drew an avalanche of super sensitive material. But after
dalliances with self publication, Assange’s strategy shifted into
alliances with some of the world’s biggest and most respected
newspapers. It would not be long before these relationships would also
disintegrate.

The Guardian is a bastion of British journalism,
along with The New York Times, Le Monde and Spain’s El Pais it’s
published sensational stories courtesy of classified information
provided by WikiLeaks. Julian Assange’s relationship with The New York
Times has been difficult for several months now, but his relationship
with The Guardian has turned toxic.

WikiLeaks and The Guardian
had collaborated on a number of big releases and they were invariably
fraught with shifting terms and conditions, but it was a treasure trove
of documents dubbed “Cablegate” a cache of 251,000 classified State
Department files that would bring the biggest arguments, accusations and
recriminations.

ALAN RUSBRIDGER: [Editor, The Guardian] “Things
were getting tense between us because Julian was at best part in sort of
semi-detached. It was, communication was very difficult because I think
he felt more and more paranoid about his own personal position after
the accusations in Sweden so it wasn’t a sort of simple matter of just
lifting the phone and speaking to him, you had to go through encrypted
technologies”.

FOWLER: Assange wasn’t simply worried about how
The Guardian communicated with him, he was deeply concerned about how
the paper’s computers were vulnerable to hackers.

ASSANGE: “They
put all the cables onto internet connected computer systems, completely
breaching their security, opening them up to foreign intelligence
agencies and computer hackers. The first thing we would have known is
when our people in the United States would have been rounded up and
arrested”.

FOWLER: The Cablegate files spilled the beans on
everything from the State Department spying on the United Nations, to
calls by Saudi Arabia for the US to bomb Iran. It was hot stuff and
certainly one of WikiLeaks biggest scoops, but Assange accused The
Guardian of double dealing.

ASSANGE: “They secretly gave all the
cables to the New York Times behind our backs. They secretly set up the
program to publish them without telling us”.

ALAN RUSBRIDGER:
“We had a sort of crisis meeting or a clear the air meeting where Julian
suddenly barged into this building unannounced with lawyers and he got
very angry with us ‘cause he accused us of dealing with the New York
Times where he didn’t want to and the reason he didn’t want to deal with
the New York Times was because the New York Times had published an
unflattering piece about him. So it was all getting very messy and we
had a meeting that went on for about 8 hours. There was lots of jabbing
of fingers and shouting and accusations”.

FOWLER: It wasn’t just
the so-called hit piece that upset Assange, he was angry that the New
York Times failed to carry some of the reports on America’s illicit
activities.

ASSANGE: “The New York Times had been censoring its
material, attacking an alleged source and attacking us as an
organisation for its own strategic purposes”.

FOWLER: WikiLeaks
alliance with the old media was on the rocks but the fallout from
Cablegate wouldn’t end there. More damage was on the way, courtesy of a
WikiLeaks underling by the name of Herbert Snorrason. Wide-eyed and
enthusiastic when he joined, Snorrason soon found himself in the bitter
cross-fire between Assange and Domscheit-Berg.

HERBERT
SNORRASON: [Former WikiLeaks volunteer] “The most specific disagreement I
had with Julian was that he alleged that Daniel acted maliciously and
that Daniel was after Julian’s job. I requested evidence because I was
sceptical of the claim”.

FOWLER: “Can you tell me the language that he used when he spoke to you?”

HERBERT
SNORRASON: “Ah (laughs) yeah there is a quote that circulated quite
widely, ‘I am the heart and soul of this organisation - its founder,
philosopher, original coder’. I really don’t remember the entire
list..... and ending with ‘if you have a problem with me you can piss
off’.”

ASSANGE: “I think I told him very soundly to piss off. You
know we were trying to get on with things and it wasn’t useful to have
an Icelandic student hectoring the CEO of an organisation during a time
of high stress”.

HERBERT SNORRASON: “My immediate reply was so be it. I left and I have not spoken with Julian since”.

FOWLER:
It might have paid Assange to treat Snorrason better. On a flight home
to Iceland, he read a book written by two Guardian reporters Assange had
teamed up, with to produce the Cablegate stories. Incredibly there in
black and white they’d printed a password, confidentially given to them
by Assange to open the encrypted Cablegate files. The files had been
placed on the internet for safe keeping in case anything happened to
Assange.

HERBERT SNORRASON: “My immediate reaction when I noticed the password was, holy crap this isn’t happening”.

FOWLER:
Snorrason drove to his grandparents’ home close to Reykjavik Airport.
If the password opened the cables, all the names of US informants would
be revealed. Snorrason fired up his computer and carefully typed in the
code. Seconds later the Cablegate internet file opened up.

HERBERT
SNORRASON: “I immediately realised that this would be something that
was very dangerous. My main concern was that the release of those
documents could put people’s lives at risk”.

FOWLER: Snorrason contacted his friend Domscheit-Berg in Germany to tell him what he’d found.

DANIEL
DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “Sharing the password for the master copy was I think a
big mistake and there’s not really any excuse for that other than being
lazy”.

FOWLER: Not far from central Berlin, Der Freitag, a
radical newspaper with a tiny circulation, splashed the story. We can
now reveal the principle source was none other than Daniel
Domscheit-Berg.

“What do you say to the argument that by talking
to Freitag, by pointing them in the direction of the file and the
password, the key, that you made it likely that that information would
be available, unredacted around the world?”

DANIEL
DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “It’s just a matter of time until somebody intelligent
would have put one and one together and anyone putting in resources into
finding these cables because they had an interest in obtaining access
to the cables was probably, has known that for quite some time already”.

FOWLER: “But you helped speed it up”.

DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “No I don’t.... well I don’t know. You could..... you could allege that I did. I don’t know if I did”.

FOWLER:
That the code printed in the Guardian book was a grave error of
judgement by the authors mattered not a jot. WikiLeaks looked as if its
security was slack. For Daniel Domscheit-Berg it vindicated his stand
against WikiLeaks.

DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “It is important for
the world to understand the general issue at hand because people are
potentially risking their lives trusting in the ability to handle
information properly. We were not just making this up in order to find
an excuse for sabotaging WikiLeaks or for spreading dirt you know?”

ASSANGE:
“I assume it was probably not malicious the putting of the password in
the book, it was just extremely arrogant and careless. Where there may
be genuine criticism levelled at me and the decision making of the
organisation, is that actually we trusted The Guardian”.

FOWLER:
With the names of spies and informants revealed, Assange decided to
publish the full cables on the WikiLeaks website arguing that everyone
should have access and not those simply in the know, such as corrupt
dictatorships and their intelligence organisations.

ASSANGE:
“Given that the material had already been published, at that stage we
determined that well actually we have to give this to the public, we
have to give this to the journalists, we have to give this to human
rights workers”.

FOWLER: WikiLeaks polarises opinion. It’s either
a force for good or a dangerous enemy of the state. Whatever the case,
with the Architect gone, it’s now effectively closed for new business,
unable to take whistle blowers’ electronic submissions.

“When will it be on line again?”

ASSANGE: “Some time… I don’t know”.

FOWLER: “When will you be open to take submissions again, electronic submissions?”

ASSANGE: “I’m not sure…”.

FOWLER: “Will it be one month, two months, six months?”

ASSANGE: “I imagine before the end of the year”.

FOWLER:
But right now Assange has other more important concerns. Here at the
High Court in London the ruling on his extradition to Sweden is
imminent.
At the same time a US Grand Jury is investigating if
there’s sufficient evidence to indict him on charges of spying against
the United States.

GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: “Under the US Espionage
Act there are sections that do carry the death penalty. For that reason I
suspect he wouldn’t be extradited on those charges but there are lesser
charges that carry up to ten years imprisonment and that is what he
would face, ten years in a maximum security prison”.

FOWLER: No matter what the outcome in the United States, Julian Assange can expect little help from Australia.

JENNIFER
ROBINSON: “We had the Australian Prime Minister come out and accuse him
of illegal conduct which was manifestly untrue and was proven as such
by an Australian Federal Police investigation in Australia, so her
comments were both prejudicial and premature. We also had the Attorney
General, Robert McClelland suggesting that they may cancel Julian’s
passport. Now as an Australian living abroad myself, I found that to be a
shocking statement to come from our Government, that the Australian
Government would be so quick to accuse rather than protect an Australian
living abroad and I think that’s of grave concern and one that the
Australian public ought to take up with our politicians”.

ASSANGE: “Well the Prime Minister and the Attorney General are US lackeys. I mean it’s as simple as that”.

IAIN
OVERTON: “I really admire the man. I mean he’s getting a huge amount of
flack from all sides but he’s actually by releasing all this
information, he’s created a complete hellhole for his life. He didn’t
have to do it and yet what he’s done is just remarkable”.

FOWLER:
Julian Assange set out to challenge the media and government secrecy.
WikiLeaks has given a penetrating insight into the covert world of war
and politics. Now he and his organisation face their severest test, the
struggle for survival.
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DOGS in "GOD'S KITCHEN"
Sniffer dogs: 15 nabbed at Godskitchen festival
...and...
Dog attack: Probe into death of little Ayen

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Weather continues to dog Bathurst 1000
Sydney Morning Herald - 2 hours ago
Changeable weather conditions which turned the
Bathurst 1000 top 10 shootout into a lottery
are poised to do the same to Sunday's race. ...
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Alma Dogs is a community club formed in 1995
by the owners of dogs in the City of Port Phillip;

and largely centred on Alma Park.


What we're about is protecting the rights of dogs and their owners
in the municipality;
and helping to maintain the traditional mutually beneficial relationship
that has existed between humans and dogs since the dawn of history.


We emphasize the importance of responsible dog ownership
among our members and encourage the proper training and socialising of
our canine companions through free access to public outdoor spaces.


Alma Dogs has successfully lobbied our local Council for
off-leash recreation areas for dogs. This includes an extended
off lead beach area, for dogs to be allowed on all beaches during winter,
the upgrading of public parks, including (in Alma Park) the provision of
pooper-scooper stations, the Doggerwel drinking and wallowing facility
and the installation of a public notice board. We are recognized by Council
as a popular voice which cannot be ignored.


We are rapidly gaining members in Stonnington, Boroondara and other
surrounding areas
where we shall campaign for recognition by these Councils
on
the benefits of responsible dog ownership and the importance of
socialisation. We are also working on reduction of cruelty to dogs by liaising with Councils to rectify any situations reported to us.


Alma Dogs Aims


  • registration of all dogs
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  • forming liaisons with other Melbourne dog groups
  • being a voice in the community
  • encouraging positive attitudes and striving to end negativity in the community
  • encouraging club members to participate in increasing membership
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A Melbourne
student went head-to-head with Bear
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President Obama's Family Gets Their Dog!
Malia and Sasha Obama now have the dog
their dad promised them on
election night.

Their new puppy is a 6-month-old
Portuguese water dog.

The girls have named their new pal Bo.
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THE FIRST HOUSES IN AUSTRALIA
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18 Oct 1985 – Whoever heard of Aborigines living in stone houses, congregating in villages, ... in western Victoria of the stone remains of these houses in a recent ... The Sydney tribes salted and dried fish and meat and hung it in trees away from dogs. ... burning the land, or "firestick farming", as Rees Jones described it. ...
Aboriginal Village
(13/03/2003)

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We’re told that aborigines were nomads. Yet the local Gunditjmara in Western
Victoria claim their ancestors lived in a village. They had eel farms,
and even an eel industry, which exported produce across the country. If
this is true, it would challenge our current understanding of aboriginal
history.

Archaeologist, Dr Heather Builth, set out to
investigate the Gunditjmara’s claims. And remarkably she found a great
deal of evidence to support them…the remains of 100s of huts, more than
75 square kilometres of artificial channels and ponds for farming eels,
and smoking trees for preserving the eels for export to other parts of
Australia.


TRANSCRIPT


Narration: At Lake Condah in western Victoria, there’s a
mystery. We’re told aborigines were nomads. Yet here the aborigines,
claim their ancestors lived in a village. A village so sophisticated,
they farmed eels in these swamps, they processed them and even exported
them across the country. If true it would seriously challenge our
understanding of aboriginal history.

Ken Saunders: We weren’t nomads. We didn’t wander all over the bloody place and gone walkabout. We had an existence here.

Professor
Peter Kershaw found some tantalising evidence in this
snake-and-leech-infested swamp. He took a soil sample from the bottom.
Because soils are laid down gradually, drilling down several metres is
like going back in time.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This is
healthy peat material. It suggests that it’s accumulated under shallow
water and there’s been constant deposition. As we go towards the top
here, you can see it’s getting very kind of fine-grained sediment. It’s
very greasy.

Narration: It’s greasy because the lake was
continually churned up while this soil was being laid…possibly churned
up by human eel farmers.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This doesn’t occur naturally. It had to have some help. People have been here or that is the most likely explanation.

Dr
Heather Builth, found more enticing clues that there could be an
ancient eel farm here. There appeared to be countless artificial
channels crisscrossing this landscape.

Dr Heather Builth:
This has had to be excavated. This channel is artificial channel that
has come through the lava flow through the sheer rock to bring the water
from this swamp into that swamp.

Narration: In fact there
appeared to be artificial ponds here as well. But it was hard to make
sense of all this because the entire area was drained in the 1800s when
the Europeans moved in. But Heather had an idea. She measured up every
little hill and valley in the landscape, entered all the information
into a geography simulation programme and then re-flooded the land on
computer.

That way she could see where all the artificial
channels led. The computer programme revealed a dazzling picture. An
artificial system of ponds connected by canals, covering more than 75
square kilometres of the landscape.

Dr Heather Builth: I
realised there was something pretty clever going on here. The swamps
were joined and there were channels joining the wetlands to the river
and there were channels continuing on to the sea across the whole
length.”

Narration: Heather was starting to believe there
could well have been an ancient eel farm here. Meanwhile, the soil
samples revealed more exciting results when they got back to Peter’s
Monash University lab. Pollens were extracted, and they showed water
plants had suddenly appeared in the record – just what you’d expect if
humans had suddenly constructed an artificial ponding system. But the
most staggering result came when he soil samples were radiocarbon dated.
The artificial ponds it appeared, were created up to 8000 years ago.

Dr Heather Builth: Yeah that is pretty amazing historically, prehistorically in the world about controlling a resource in aquaculture.
Yeah – it could be one of the oldest systems in the world.”

Narration: Of course, none of the scientific discoveries surprised Ken. He says the whole countryside here is dotted with eel traps.

Ken Saunders:
We used to trap eels ourselves and use the eels traps. And some of the
young fellas today still use the eel traps. So the eel traps were part
of our diet. I still eat the bloody things today.

Narration:
The telltale sign of an eel trap is two piles of rocks in straight
lines. Woven basket-like nets were placed in the gap where the water
once flowed.

Dr Heather Builth: This would have come in
here, and understand that it would’ve been about four times as big as
this now, and it would’ve fitted in. There would’ve been a frame here - a
wooden frame and this would’ve gone through the frame like that so it
would’ve been filling up a bit. It was a big enough collar to catch the
eels. So what it meant was they could only come out one at a time and so
someone was here to catch the eels as they came out and grab them bight
them on the back of the neck, kill them put them in the basket.

Narration:
Evidence that 8000 years ago the Gunditjmara had a large-scale eel farm
here was already enough to rock the archaeological establishment. But
what about Ken’s claim that his people actually had an industry, and
were exporting their produce?

Heather had noticed there were a
lot of these trees that had obviously had fires in them. Could it be the
Gunditjmara smoked eels in them, to preserve them for export? She took a
sample deep down where the soil was contaminant-free, to see if a lab
could find traces of eel. But after putting it in the fridge overnight
she was greeted by a remarkable surprise the next morning.

Dr Heather Builth:
The next day, when we went in to open the door, the whole room stank of
smoked eel and that was the eureka moment. And the fact that all these
trees, if people had been using them, that means there was preservation.
Suddenly the whole picture changed. Gunditjmara weren’t just catching
eels; their whole society was based around eels. And that to me was the
proof. That was it.

Narration: This wasn’t just one of the
earliest farming villages…. this was an ancient industry. And that put
the Gunditjmara in a totally different category.

Dr Heather Builth:
A specialisation had developed here of eel production. And these eels
could have gone out long distances and they would have been the currency
these people bargained with. I think what we had here was a
hierarchical structured society. We had chiefs with lots and lots of
power.

Narration: But if this was a village, where did the
inhabitants live? The answer to that lay with these stones scattered
all over the landscape. Many of them seem to lie in circular patterns.
Archaeologists had dismissed them as natural formations, but could they
be the foundations of ancient huts?

To prove that, Heather
painstakingly measured and weighed each of the stones in some of these
structures. And sure enough she found they were too uniform to have been
stacked up by nature.

Graham: This is one of the stone huts?
Heather Builth: This is one of the stone houses.

Narration: They had to have been built by human hands and the most likely explanation is they were dwellings.

Graham: How many stone huts do you think were in this area?

Dr Heather Builth: I have myself have seen hundreds.

Graham: We’re talking about… I mean that’s a village…
Dr. Heather Builth: Yes, we’re talking villages
Graham: Villages!
Heather Builth: Villages

Lindsay Saunders:
You can see there about two metres. By about a metre high. The door
would have been facing east, away from the weather coming in from the
west. This would have housed about two or three people.”

Narration:
This is what the huts might have looked like, based on historical
accounts and the materials that were available. Wooden boughs sat on top
of the stone foundations and they were covered with peat sods for
strength and reeds for waterproofing. What you’re left wondering is…How
did archaeologists miss all this? Heather believes it’s because
everything disappeared very quickly when European farmers moved in.

Dr Heather Builth: A lot of them had a military background and they knew how to get rid of aboriginal people pretty quickly.

Narration: While the scientific discoveries don’t surprise Ken, he hopes they will help his people.

Ken Saunders: If we can get National Heritage Listing – which we will get – we can then rebuild and recreate the fish traps again.

Narration:
The Gunditjmara eel-trap-weaving skills are still being handed down,
and Heather now knows how the eel farms operated. Her science may just
help Ken’s people realise their dream.

Ken Saunders: Well
you couldn’t have a blackfella telling that story. So to prove it we
had to have a white person doing the scientific research to say this is
real.

Topics: Archaeology & History


  • Researcher: Robyn Smith
Story Contacts
Dr Heather Builth
Email

Postal address:

RMB 7460
Coustleys Rd
Homerton
Via Heywood
Victoria 3304
Ph: 03 55272051

Professor Peter Kershaw

Email


Director of the Centre for Palynology and Palaeoecology

Geography & Environmental Science
Monash University
Melbourne
Tel: 03 9905 2927

Ken Saunders

Co-ordinator of Lake Condah Sustainable Development Project

03-55784272
Related Info

Information on the project at Flinders University
true lilly wrote:This is in the News today, BBC News, but it's over a month, over 40 years, over 200 years,
and much, much older 'news', that like so much more truly ancient Australian History, 'they',
at
David Icke Official Forums, like the rest of The CONspiracy industry,
dare not, post, let alone, honestly discuss. Because, it is only one of
countless real world proofs, that when God described, ALL the world, ALL
the earth, All peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING, that is what He meant.


6 October 2011
Last updated at 02:18 GMT
Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia


By Stephanie Hegarty
BBC World Service

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. _55838918_wurdi_youang624x287
Continue reading the main story

An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia
could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that
ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.


Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders,
the site of
Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European
settlers two centuries ago,
and charted by archaeologists in 1977,

but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.


It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people -
the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the
rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and
practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century.


Now a team of archaeologists, astronomers and Aboriginal advisers
is reclaiming that knowledge.


They have discovered that waist-high boulders at the tip of
the egg-shaped point along the ring to the position on the horizon
where the sun sets at the summer and winter solstice - the longest
and shortest day of the year.


“Start Quote
<blockquote>It is interesting to know how far back people were doing astronomy,
if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge”

</blockquote> Prof Ray Norris
Astrophysicist



The axis from top to bottom points towards the equinox -
when the length of day equals night.


At Stonehenge, the sun aligns instead with gaps in the stones
on these key dates in the solar calendar.


The probability that layout of Wurdi Youang is a coincidence
is miniscule, argues Ray Norris, a British astrophysicist at Australia's
national science agency, who is leading the investigation.


Prof Norris and his Aboriginal partners used Nasa technology
to measure the position of each rock in relation to the sun, and
to demonstrate the connection with the solstices and equinox.


"It's truly special because
a lot of people don't take account of Aboriginal science,"

says Reg Abrahams, an Aboriginal adviser working with Prof Norris.


Giant emu
As happened with Stonehenge, the discovery could change the
way people view early societies. It is only recently that it has been
demonstrated that Aboriginal societies could count beyond five or six.


"This is the first time we have been able to show that,
as well as being interested in the position of the sun,
they were making astronomical measurements,"
says Prof Norris,
who is also a faculty member at the School of Indigenous Studies
at Macquarie University in Sydney.


'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. _55749608_emuinthesky
This photo of the emu in the sky by an aboriginal rock carving
was sent to every school in Australia



Other studies by Prof Norris, of Aboriginal songs and stories,
have also indicated a clear understanding of the movements of the sun,
moon and stars.


Indigenous customs vary among groups across Australia, but
one story that appears in many local traditions is
the tale of a great emu that sits in the sky.


The emu, which can be seen in the southern hemisphere during
April and May, is a shape made by the dark patches of the Milky Way.


Its appearance coincides with laying season of the wild emu
and for the storytellers it is a sign to start collecting eggs.


Prompted by historian Hugh Cairns, Prof Norris examined and
photographed an emu-shaped rock carving in Kuring-Gai Chase National
Park, near Sydney, which cleverly mirrors the celestial animal-like shape.

During the southern autumn, the constellation
is positioned above the rock
with the bird shape almost perfectly reflected
by the engraving.


Intellectual leap
Other stories show more complex,
intellectual understanding of the universe.


In the case of the solar eclipse, the Walpiri people in the Northern Territory
tell the story of a sun-woman who pursues a moon-man.
When she catches him the two become husband and wife
together causing a solar eclipse.


The idea that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon moving
in front of the sun is something only widely accepted by western
scientists in the 16th Century.


"This is not about balls of flames going out,
it's about one body moving in front of the other,"

says Prof Norris. "That is a giant intellectual leap."


Since solar eclipses are rare, the survival of this story,
passed down through generations,
also shows a remarkable continuity of learning.


These discoveries play a crucial role in helping
Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians
understand just how intellectually
advanced their ancient society was.


"This discovery has huge significance for understanding the
amazing ability of this culture that is maligned," says Janet Mooney,
head of Indigenous Australian Studies at Sydney University.


"It makes not only me, as an Aboriginal person,
but a lot of Aboriginal people around Australia very proud."


She hopes to be able to tell her students of
an aboriginal site more ancient than Stonehenge.


Continue reading the main story Aboriginal cultures

  • Australia's indigenous Aboriginal population make up 470,000 of the country's 21 million population
  • There are more than 400 separate Aboriginal traditions in Australia but they share many beliefs
  • All aboriginal cultures believe in the Dreaming, an expression
    for man's relationship to the spiritual natural and moral elements of
    the world

  • A Dreaming is a story owned by a particular tribe that tells the story of creation
Until it is dated however, Wurdi Youang could be anywhere from 200 to 20,000 years old.

Aboriginal stone structures in the region have a vast age
range and are very difficult to date. Many of the smaller rock sites
that have been found, such as shelters and cooking areas, have been
moved over time by natural and human forces.


But given the size of the stones at Wurdi Youang and how
deeply they are entrenched in the ground it is more likely they have
been there for thousands of years, archaeologists say.


Dating requires archaeologists to test the soil under the
rocks to see when it was last exposed to sunlight and the team hope to
be able to do this in the next few months.


But Prof Norris believes he has already proven the real value of the stone circle.

"It is interesting to know how far back people were doing
astronomy, if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge," he
says.


"But it is not quite as interesting to my mind as whether the
Aboriginal people were doing real astronomy before British contact.
That really tells us a lot about what kind of culture it is."


Reach for the Stars - Aboriginal Astronomy was produced by Robert Cockburn and broadcast by Discovery for BBC World Service. Listen the radio documentary here
___________________________________________________
Good readers, this was my playground, growing up. It caused me to ask these questions,
about this glorious, truly ancient land's, truly ancient history, even as a child, yet despite
always getting the 'accepted', stock fob off's, 'something' always told
me that's what they were. Simple answers given to a child, as if being a
child made one simple. And so I kept, looking, asking, thinking about
answers given, and why they were given, when obviously,
so many of those 'accepted' answers, contradicted other 'accepted'
answers. Until now at a mature age, having enjoyed an 'interesting'
life, moving around a lot of this country, amongst many cultural and
social groups, from farming to politics, and much in between
and on the fringes, I found that when removing the contradictions,
what we are left with, is, what God described, from the beginning.

true lilly wrote:Another Sign to LOCATE Lands
Described in Holy Scripture...


NO ONE can simply walk up to
"quails" or "pheasants"
and collect more than they can eat,
but in ONE AREA on Earth they CAN, STILL,
gather the most tasty of birds...


Mutton Birds

Aboriginal people still harvest the mutton
birds. Our catch and sales are dependent
on the sustainability of the harvest. Mutton
birds are a delicacy to eat, with a rich oily
flavour unlike any other.

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Skunbird

The short-tailed shearwater of Griffiths Island
(Puffinus tenuirostiris - Tasmanian Shearwater)
is commonly called the 'mutton bird'.
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. MuttonBird
Given the name 'mutton bird'
by early settlers of Port Fairy
of its fatty flesh, the shearwater
was hunted as a food and oil source.

Today the shearwater
is totally protected in Victoria.

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. MaP
The journey, of about 15,000 km, passes
New Zealand and Japan
and is completed in only two months.

The return journey follows the coast of
North America to California,
then south-west across the Pacific.
Prevailing winds aid their flight for most of the journey
but on the final leg, from the central Pacific,
the birds battle across south-east winds
.

They return to their nesting grounds exhausted...
http://www.port-fairy.com/shearwaters.htm

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Ferley Gardner,
Tasmanian Aboriginal Elder...
...One of the highlights of her childhood was
when her family would pack up everything each year
and travel to Big Dog Island or Babel Island
for the mutton bird season.

...COLLECTING BIRDS ON BABEL ISLAND ...

http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Tr...s/s1045602.htm
And all anyone has to do to see it, is get over that patently absurd,
insanely too short, only recently agreed on, "out of Egypt" lie.
true lilly wrote:Australian Aborigines the first astronomers
Posted on September 20, 2010 by Deskarati
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 20100917_carving
Rock engravings at Ngaut Ngaut, South Australia, which are said to
represent lunar cycles. There are many examples like this throughout
Australia which suggest that astronomy is an important part of many
Australian Aboriginal cultures.

An Australian study has uncovered signs that the country’s ancient
Aborigines may have been the world’s first stargazers, pre-dating
Stonehenge and Egypt’s pyramids by thousands of years.


Ray Norris said widespread and detailed knowledge of the stars had
been passed down through the generations by Aborigines, whose history
dates back tens of millennia, in traditional songs and stories.

“We know there’s lots of stories about the sky: songs, legends,
myths,” said Norris, an astronomer for Australia’s science agency, the
Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organisation (CSIRO).


Star-gazing for food

“We wondered how much further does it go than that. It turns out also
people used the sky for navigation, time-keeping, to mark out the
seasons, so it’s very practical.


“People were nomadic so when Pleiades (the Seven Sisters star
cluster) was up they would move to where the nuts and berries are.
Another sign and it would be time to move to the rivers to fish for
barramundi, and so on.”

Norris, who has studied Aboriginal culture and historical accounts by
white settlers, and made several trips to Arnhem Land in Australia’s
remote Outback, said his research also revealed more detailed
astronomical thought.

Figuring out an eclipse

“Clearly some thinker in the past has been sitting down in the bush,
watching an eclipse and trying to figure out how it works,” he said,
giving one example.

“Those thoughts are then encoded in the songs and ceremonies.
If you
take a lunar eclipse, the story in Arnhem Land is it’s the Sun Woman and
Moon Man making love, and when they make love the body of one covers
the other.”

Norris is now searching for evidence that would put a date on
Aboriginal astronomy, such as a rock-carving of a meteor strike or
comet.

Establishing a beginning date

He is confident the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain’s astronomy-linked Stonehenge, which is estimated at
3,100 BC, around the age of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

“We’ve established there is all this astronomy, what I don’t know is
how far back this goes. If it goes back 10,000 or 20,000 years, that
makes (Aborigines) the world’s first astronomers,”
he said.

via
Australian Aborigines the first astronomers | COSMOS magazine.
___________________________________________________________

The thing is, THEY KNOW IT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER.
It's just that we need to slowly ease the world into feeling like
they are part of the discovery, rather than feeling like dills.

Oh, and I think it was palomino who first posted this, way back then.
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Researchers are confident
the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain's astronomy-linked Stonehenge.
(AAP)
WANJINA...the tin foil hat brigade only want to see 'spacemen',
in everything...but come on, these are simply, Mighty, Big, Hairy,
White Freckled Skinned, Red Heads...The Tribe of BENJAMIN...
also, Female Wanjina are very rare, as BENJAMIN nearly became
extinct. Sex crazed, immorally, cruelly, unhealthily so, the rest of
The Tribes of Israel banned intermarriage with them, but so that
they didn't die out (God keeping His Promise), they took women
not of Israel, as wives.

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Wandjina
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Wandjina1
Judges - Chapter 21

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jdg&c=21&t=KJV#14
And they said 559 , [There must be] an inheritance 3425 for them that be escaped 6413 of Benjamin 1144, that a tribe 7626 be not destroyed 4229 out of Israel 3478.


Howbeit we may 3201 not give 5414 them wives 802 of our daughters 1323: for the children 1121 of Israel 3478 have sworn 7650 , saying 559 , Cursed 779 [be] he that giveth 5414 a wife 802 to Benjamin 1144.


Then they said 559 , Behold, [there is] a feast 2282 of the LORD 3068 in Shiloh 7887 yearly 3117 3117 [in a place] which [is] on the north side 6828 of Bethel 1008, on the east side 4217 8121 of the highway 4546 that goeth up 5927 from Bethel 1008 to Shechem 7927, and on the south 5045 of Lebonah 3829.


Therefore they commanded 6680 the children 1121 of Benjamin 1144, saying 559 , Go 3212 and lie in wait 693 in the vineyards 3754;

And see 7200 , and, behold, if the daughters 1323 of Shiloh 7887 come out 3318 to dance 2342 in dances 4246, then come ye out 3318 of the vineyards 3754, and catch 2414 you every man 376 his wife 802 of the daughters 1323 of Shiloh 7887, and go 1980 to the land 776 of Benjamin 1144.

And it shall be, when their fathers 1 or their brethren 251 come 935 unto us to complain 7378 , that we will say 559 unto them, Be favourable 2603 unto them for our sakes: because we reserved 3947 not to each man 376 his wife 802 in the war 4421: for ye did not give 5414 unto them at this time 6256, [that] ye should be guilty 816 .


And the children 1121 of Benjamin 1144 did so 6213 , and took 5375 [them] wives 802, according to their number 4557, of them that danced 2342 , whom they caught 1497 : and they went 3212 and returned 7725 unto their inheritance 5159, and repaired 1129 the cities 5892, and dwelt 3427 in them.


And the children 1121 of Israel 3478 departed 1980 thence at that time 6256, every man 376 to his tribe 7626 and to his family 4940, and they went out 3318 from thence every man 376 to his inheritance 5159.


In those days 3117 [there was] no king 4428 in Israel 3478: every man 376 did 6213 [that which was] right 3477 in his own eyes 5869.

_____________________________________________________
Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin...

...can't you hear the same name, travel over many ages, and tongues,
and still belong to the same type of people described...
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 2813551

Aboriginal people believe

we have been here "forever".

According to current scientific
theories,
it is thought that Aborigines have
occupied Australia
for over 60,000 years -
and possibly
more than 100,000 years.
Remember, 'tintin' knows all this and more,
but as he works for 'them', he has to bury,
the fact that The Creator Who Promised to,
and DID, Save and Preserve (for Re-planting
Re-building and from where All The World
will receive it's Healing), a continent sized
land mass, CAN and WILL also Save His Faithful.
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I declare him my enemy."




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Yahshua's Kabbalah

http://rabdavis.org/yahshuas%20%20kabbalah.htm

Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)



Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.



In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.



Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.



Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.



In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.

In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.



On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9:Cool and when the cloud passed they found Yahshua without Moshe and Elijah (Mark 9:Cool standing alone as G-d's son. "Divine son" was the same designation Yahshua had heard during His immersion with John the Baptist: now his own disciples saw and heard the truth of Yahshua's own vision. We should note that the Transfiguration does not speak in the later exclusive language of the Christian Trinity that makes Yahshua into the only possible son of G-d. Here we perceive that the same spirit that had animated Elijah and Moshe was present in Yahshua and this spirit could make of whomever it wishes sons of G-d.



In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).



A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.



Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.



The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.



The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.



Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.



The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:



My Father,

Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!



The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.



Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?



His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.



In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.



All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.

Amein


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Post  Billy Ruben Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:30 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Hail warning across Victoria



'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 886479-hailstones



5:08PM
Brigid OConnell

GOLF-ball sized hailstones have pelted Ballarat as central and southwest Victoria prepare for more wild weather.


'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 833536-hail



Hailstones the size of golf balls have been reported in Ballarat.
The Daily Telegraph

Hail warning across VictoriaOctober 22, 2011
5:08PM[/size]
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/hail-warning-across-state/story-e6frf7jo-1226173885738

Look at the thread title...what does it say?...and you spam with Aussie shit,keep it for your threads.
This is Tiswas's thread,fuckoff,until you show this fine sub-continental lady the respect she fucking deserves,now Gyppo thief,pissoff
Calling you a Gyppo thief to your face,is far more honest and brave than your mild,subtle racism,that everyone can see.Do not call them my Mob,you're not one of us...Gubba


cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 773165-queen-at-duntroonQueen hails Duntroon


If you're that patriotic for Oztralia,why did your son study fucking useless philosophy,when he could be making mum proud,stick him in military college at Duntroon,go and fight a foreign war on foreign soil,dumb as you are I'd say,he'd get his head blown off,that's if he does'nt break on recruit course,crying for mummy,like I bloody did.If he cops it,you got all the attention a whore like you longs for,fuck Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome,you might even get a cuddle from Julia Gillard,on camera...Mmmmmm,hugged and kissed by poisonous snakes,you'd prefer...but of course,they're family...snake woman

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Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
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Told you Kharma exist.
That bullshit signature you got,dogspunk...you said that email was hacked and forged,sent out something that incriminated you? I did'nt think you'd be worried about looking like an idiot,you do that well,without being reminded.


I post as and who I am;
independent, unaffiliated
and happy to discuss the
things 'they' desperately
tell the world, to reject,
without consideration. Smile
true-lilly@hotmail.com



What a load of shite...

pig Razz
a
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 195201-horseThree horses victims of tail thief

Isn't that the queens sister,Princess Anne.

I can see why you like the royals,good (in)breeders,like yourself there Lulzy.

Personally,I would'nt wipe my arse with you or the royals...and by God,like you,they're extremely ugly.
cthulhu

Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:I see she's moved on from dogs to horses.

Cool!...still plenty of material to work with...



hmmm,that was a dud...try this then



Whhhattt!!!...I'm not hitting Porn Tube...



Whoooaaa...he's a goer,god,does'nt go easy sticking it in either...all,50 inches of him

jawdrop jawdrop
Billy Ruben wrote:
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Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
true lilly wrote:[size=24]What The [b]HELL is "FOUNDATION"?

It's makeup used by pretty girls, which is why you know fuckall about it.

she does'nt believe in "sex within marriage",it's not kinky,quirky,screwed up enough to ignite her fire...

It apparently has to involve dogs. Not that there's anything right with that...

How did you guess???

WOOF<WOOF...they got long tongues and with the correct sauce...


'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Foulbachelorfrogputcond
lmao rolf cheese thumbs up cheers

Thankyou,thankyou very much.

Got a thousand of them.

Mr LeSabrage,you're not into visualising are you,well don't when you read my post about True Lilly...scared myself quite a few times with that one...it takes a few bongs to steady my shot nerves to make post on Sodlike these days...it was Lilly,not the cops that broke me...



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Post  true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 am

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555
cori wrote:
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05-01-2011, 03:33 PM
This is a WARNING! of a total financial crash.
tintin wrote:
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05-01-2011, 09:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by faraday
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'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Flag_sun
The Land Of The Rising Sun

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Friends_08_F-01

In the U.S television series, "FRIENDS",
the characters helped and protected each
other like a FAMILY.

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Cool

Folks,
I see poster FARADAY has returned.
I have seen many idiots here but
FARADAY is the

SUPREME SUPERIOR IDIOT

Poster FARADAY told the READERS here they WERE ALL AGENTS.
Just to let you know,
Don't take anything serious FARADAY posts.

I have no problem with IDIOTS.
( I mean, that's life)
FARADAY is different because he/she (whatever) crosses
all borders of sanity, decency, lunacy, etc.....

Posters like FARADY make me jump to GREECE RESTAURANTS
and order METAXA in amounts GRAHAM GREENE wouldn't
even dare to write about. ( Sorry Graham, it's all very true)

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. ThirdManUSPoster

Sorry Graham, remember our good time in Vienna?
Yeah, those good old days.
No Idiots around, you know, just Anton Karas.....

Romance, spies, suspence....
Remember Orson?
Did you know, Dolores Del Rio and Me.....
Well,
forget it.....


'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 439px-Dolores_del_Rio_Argentinean_Magazine_AD

Between You, and me Graham,
Dolores actually was Dutch!
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. ThirdManUSPoster
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH

(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 200px-Human_Factor_small

Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 567573 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 2803512470

...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...

SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...

...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. GG-Gold
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html

...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?

YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,

GOD CAN and DOES!

And
That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.


P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me
Rolling Eyes Razz ,
when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
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Post  sharky Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:33 pm

true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going on latelyI tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if I post it, it's worth looking into.
true lilly wrote: 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Flag200c

I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

rolling pin 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Tropas-nazis I vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my antisemitc/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!! 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Nazis rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Nazipersec 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. K8820


sheeesh suzi/lilly, tell us sumthin' we don't know. You're a liar. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.pdf

Theology and Race

AT NOON ON SATURDAY, MAY 6, 1939, a group of Protestant theologians, pastors,
and churchgoers gathered at the historic Wartburg Castle, resonant with Lutheran
and nationalist significance, to celebrate the official opening of the Institute
for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church
Life (Institut zur Erforschung und Beseitigung des jüdischen Einfl usses auf
das deutsche kirchliche Leben). The Institute’s goals were both political and
theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in
the process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed new biblical interpretations
and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime
carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefi ned Christianity
as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, was no Jew but rather had fought
valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling as victim to that struggle. Germans were
now called upon to be the victors in Jesus’s own struggle against the Jews, who
were said to be seeking Germany’s destruction.


Most members of the Institute, particularly its academic director, Walter
Grundmann, professor of New Testament at the University of Jena, regarded
their work as being in the theological avant-garde, addressing and resolving
a problem that had long plagued Christian theology: how to establish clear and distinct boundaries between earliest Christianity and Judaism and eliminate all traces of Jewish influence from contemporary Christian theology and religious practice. As a predominantly younger generation of scholars, trained by Germany’s leading scholars of early Christianity—many members of the Institute were students of the distinguished Tübingen professor, Gerhard Kittel, himself a Nazi who produced antisemitic propaganda1—they saw themselves able to recover the historically genuine, non-Jewish Jesus and a Christian message compatible with contemporary German identity. Theirs was a goal of purification, authenticity, and theological revolution, all in the name of historical-critical methods and commitment to Germanness, to be achieved by eradicating the Jewish from the Christian. A Christian message tainted by Jewishness could not serve Germans, nor could a Jewish message be the accurate teaching of Jesus.
The Institute’s goals were stated forthrightly at its opening by Grundmann, who delivered the keynote lecture on “The Dejudaization of the Religious Life as the Task of German Theology and Church.” The present era, he declared, was similar to the Reformation: Protestants had to overcome Judaism just as Luther had overcome Catholicism. “The elimination of Jewish infl uence on German life is the urgent and fundamental question of the present German religious situation.”


Modern New Testament scholarship had made apparent the “deformation of New Testament ideas into Old Testament preconceptions, so that now angry recognition of the Jewishness in the Old Testament and in parts of the New Testament has arisen, obstructing access to the Bible for innumerable German people.”2
The Bible would have to be purified, Grundmann continued, restored to its pristine condition, to proclaim the truth about Jesus: that he sought the destruction of Judaism.


Munich’s Cardinal Faulhaber, for example, delivered a series of Advent sermons in 1933 attacking the German Christian movement, but his argument, almost identical to what the Confessing Church leaders came to argue, was that the Old Testament need not be eliminated as a Jewish book, as some German Christians advocated; it was, rather, an anti-Jewish book, Faulhaber insisted, since the prophets were constantly condemning Israel for its sinful ways.7 Faulhaber’s objection, then, was not to the German Christians’ antisemitism, but to their failure to realize that the Old Testament itself was on their side.8

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY
Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting
anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfi lled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14


In reality Nazism accomplished but few of its goals. But in one area, that of the Jewish question, political myth achieved its purpose to the full. Here the regime met the least opposition from those who in other matters were hardly in accord with Nazism—be it intellectuals, the churches or public opinion in the Reich or abroad. The Jew served as the focal point round which Nazism turned and on which the structural process of value-transformation and reversal of meanings took place. Among the values and meanings that were transformed, the symbol itself was turned into substance; consequently, the negation of Judaism had to be transformed into the annihilation of the Jew, this time not spiritually but rather physically, not symbolically but in substance.” Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption,

and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.
Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fi ghter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?
Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.
Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European
culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political signifi cance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19
..........................


The error Of Replacement Theology

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.


The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.


Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.


Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.


The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)


http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Definition

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.


THE END TIME SOLUTION TO
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
By Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky


http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=3&type=12

The hideous falsehood known as replacement theology has been a cancer in theological circles for the past two millennia that just seems to refuse to go away. While replacement theology takes on different applications, and modes, it is a theology originated by the early non Jewish fathers of the so called "Christian Church". It coldly states that a new Rome centered, and Roman based ecclesiastical organization called "the church", is the "new Israel". This new Israel, would now forever replace Jewish Israel, since Yahuwah permanently rejected the Jews for killing their Messiah, His Son. Extreme proponents of replacement theology have even gone so far as to claim that Yahuwah, the mean, and cruel despot, was the Elohim of the Old Covenant Jews, as opposed to Yahshua who is the forever loving, kind, and compassionate Elohim who had REPLACED YAHUWAH AS LORD OF "THE CHURCH" OR THE SO CALLED "NEW ISRAEL". In other words, Yahshua’s people have replaced the Father’s people.

This hideous doctrine is by no means a small theological side issue to be argued in a local pub. It has been at the forefront of antisemitism, Judeo-phobia, and has fully provided fuel for tragic historical events such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Crusades, the ouster of the Jews from every European country, as well as the Nazi holocaust. As history clearly demonstrates, Martin Luther, and other Protestant reformers blueprinted both the call, and the plans for the annihilation of the Jewish nation from Europe, and later the world by providing "so called Christians", with biblical justification to perpetrate genocide on world Jewry. Adolph Hitler knew full well that he could find theological approval, and support from these church folks. The inbred functionalism of this spiritual cancer amongst those that preach Yahshua is so widespread that it cannot be fully reversed, and eliminated until Yahshua’s millennial reign begins shortly when He returns to the earth. Even such seemingly benign church doctrines such as "Kingdom Now" theology or "Dominion" theology, where the so called "church" will christianize the world through the establishment of the bible as a global constitution, and whereby all world powers, and authorities will be won to, and taken over by Christendom, are nothing more than new attempts at replacing the "troublesome Jews". Wasn’t this flawed global christianization program, whereby Yahshua would merely take over a globally loyal populace converted through church efforts, already tried numerous times? Historically they were called the Crusades, Inquisitions, and Pogroms. Was it not the Crusaders who were attempting to take the globe by the sword, and convert, and subdue it by the gospel?

The theology of "Dominion Now" or "Kingdom Now", is nothing but a papal farce, designed to enlist Protestants in a new age attempt to liquidate the Jewish race, by theology rather than by a sword. They believe twentieth century man will not respond favorably to any elimination of the Jewish nation via bloodletting. Therefore in these last days, we see a major resurgence in "church" theology, designed to subdue, and eliminate the Jew. In these various applications of replacement theology, the Jew has no future whatsoever unless he agrees to become one with "the church", and assimilate his precious customs, feasts, seventh day Sabbaths, and the rest of his national identity through incorporation or more accurately through disappearance, and integration within "the church".

These hideous theologies call anything Jewish to be anti Christ, and legalistic. Jewish practices are not welcome in their church systems. It is simply fascinating to me that "the church" has this insatiable desire to institute biblical law, and church sovereignty over the globe by spreading Yahuwah’s laws, when one of the major errors within Christianity is the very rejection, and the denial of the validity of first covenant instruction in New Covenant times.

The so called "church" system has repeatedly, and pridefully proclaimed to its adherents that the Torah or the laws of first covenant Israel are passed away, and nailed to the cross, and have therefore been replaced by the second covenant law, which is love, baby, love. In other words, this man made ecclesiastical organization started, funded, and headquartered in Rome, now wants to force their paganized Christendom down the throats of the worlds populace, with obedience to THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, and other teachings all based on the Decalogue, all the while instructing her very own members that it is not applicable to the New Covenant "church". Now you talk about confusion! How can a man made ecclesiastical system that is boastfully, and wrongfully antinomian (anti-Torah), at it’s very core theology, force the world’s populace to submit to rules, and regulations that they themselves loath as having preceded from the Jewish despot named Yahuwah, and His Jews? Remember that in true replacement theology a pagan blonde haired, and blue eyed European, pork eating Jesus (the English translation of the sun deity Zeus), has replaced Yahuwah the Father as LORD (from the pagan deity Lourdes), over his "church" (from the pagan circular ritual conducted by the Celts).

The most disturbing part of all this is that replacement theology continues to spread overtly, and covertly in these last days seemingly unchecked, and undetected by born again folks of all denominations, as well as by Messianic Jews. As this study progresses you will find, and discover the alarming fact that modern day Messianic Judaism has in most cases fallen into the same trap of replacement theology that they loath, and despise. Messianic Judaism has every right to loath replacement theology. However through error, and pride they not only forsake the true solution to the error of replacement theology, (which is readily available by studying the scriptures accurately with an open mind), but worse yet, they have unknowingly become accomplices to the doctrine itself.

Before we demonstrate the biblically prescribed means for the elimination of this hideous creed, we will learn a few more insights into this doctrine of replacement theology. The first error of this false doctrine is that the church has replaced Israel (the Jews) as the historic continuation of the people of Israel. According to this line of reasoning, Jewish Israel ceased from being a people, with a historic relevancy to Yahuwah at Pentecost in 33 AD. In other words, a total cessation of all eternal promises, and blessings which had been promised to the Jews, had come about because of the New Covenant "church", who unilaterally declared the first covenant promises to the Jews null, and void. The truth of course is that the physical descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, had, and will continue to have a crucial, and vital role in the historical, and redemptive purposes of the Father. Replacement theology declares that the Jews are no different than any other people group, and that their chosen status was self appointed, and has ceased when their "European" non Jewish (Jesus) went to the cross.

The truth of course is that no other nation before or since has been earmarked by Yahuwah to work out His redemptive, and earthly will, as has Israel (12 tribes).

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Post  true lilly Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:39 pm

true lilly wrote:So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
Evil or Very Mad
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 341151-call-of-duty
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
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SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA

Severe storm warning for Victoria
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 531574-lightning
6:27AM
Nathan Mawby

UPDATE 7am:

STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau

warning the worst is yet to come.
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 236953-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3
Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
Wink Very Happy

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Flag200c
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 942327 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Tropas-nazis
I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Nazis 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 942327 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 942327 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 942327 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 942327

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Nazipersec 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. K8820
BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS

going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.


Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD
,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.


SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough
humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.


P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
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Post  MoMo Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:46 am

Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda....... thumbs up


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’



Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition

http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.



Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel
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................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.
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One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.


ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................


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Post  true lilly Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:04 am

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Pontypoolposter
Grant Mazzy:
Mrs. French's cat is missing.
The signs are posted all over town.
"Have you seen Honey?"
We've all seen the posters, but nobody has seen Honey the cat.
Nobody.
Until last Thursday morning, when Miss Colette Piscine swerved her car to miss Honey the cat as she drove across a bridge.
Well this bridge, now slightly damaged, is a bit of a local treasure and even has its own
fancy name; Pont de Flaque.
Now Collette, that sounds like Culotte.
That's Panty in French.
And Piscine means Pool.
Panty pool.
Flaque
also means pool in French, so Colete Piscine, in French Panty Pool,
drives over the Pont de Flaque, the Pont de Pool if you will, to avoid
hitting Mrs. French's cat that has been missing in Pontypool.
Pontypool.
Pontypool.
Panty pool.
Pont de Flaque.
What does it mean?
Well,
Norman Mailer, he had an interesting theory that he used to explain the
strange coincidences in the aftermath of the JFK assasination.
In the wake of huge events, after them and before them, physical details they spasm for
a moment; they sort of unlock and when they come back into focus they suddenly coincide
in a weird way.
Street names and birthdates and middle names, all kind of superfluous things appear related to eachother.
It's a ripple effect.
So, what does it mean?
Well... it means something's going to happen.
Something big.
But then, something's always about to happen.

Grant Mazzy:
[On Air] Now, in our top story of today, a big, cold, dull, dark, white, empty, never-ending blow my brains out, seasonal affective disorder freaking kill me now weather-front, that'll
last all day - or maybe - when the wind shifts later on, we'll get a little greenhouse
gas relief from the industrial south. HAIL MARY, yea though I walk - we go to Ken Loney - in the Sunshine chopper.
Ken Loney:
[Over Speaker] It's always brighter above the clouds Grant!

The really scary part is how many Pontypool zombies are already among us.
I really, really, hate
to give anything away but
many people seem to be
missing the obvious...
that words hold power,
they are infectious
and can lead to
unintended consequences.

Stephen
McHattie steals the show as the cowboy hat wearing radio talk show host
Grant Mazzy. Mazzy was recently fired from his real gig and is now the
morning show in the
small town of Pontypool. Between reports of school closings and traffic reports, Mazzy
tries to provoke
(wake up) his audience with charged language but Mazzy is
about to learn that words have consequences.

First he
offends his producer and a casual joke turns out not to be funny when it
hits too close to home. Then reports of mob violence start flooding the
station. As the bloodshed escalates and threatens Mazzy and his morning
crew they slowly learn the true nature of the threat and the power of their own words. Pontypool holds relevant lessons for us all. There is some blood and mild gore but the really scary part is how many Pontypool type zombies are already among us.
by
McQualude

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IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD
AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,
AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
John - Chapter 1

In 1722 the beginning 746 was 2258 the Word 3056,
and 2532 the Word 3056 was 2258 with 4314 God 2316,
and 2532 the Word 3056 was 2258 God 2316.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=1&t=KJV#1

1 John - Chapter 1

That which 3739 was 2258 from 575 the beginning 746,
which 3739 we have heard 191 ,
which 3739 we have seen 3708 with our 2257 eyes 3788,
which 3739 we have looked upon 2300 ,
and 2532 our 2257 hands 5495 have handled 5584 ,
of 4012 the Word 3056 of life 2222;

(For 2532 the life 2222 was manifested 5319 ,
and 2532 we have seen 3708 [it], and 2532 bear witness 3140 ,
and 2532 shew 518 unto you 5213 that eternal 166 life 2222,
which 3748 was 2258 with 4314 the Father 3962,
and 2532 was manifested 5319 unto us 2254Wink


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Jo&c=1&t=KJV#1
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Post  sharky Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:18 am

true lilly wrote: I am WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in me),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of my SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL I DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, I CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO me. thumbs up rolf lmao rolling pin
[color=black]nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to lie and teach the satanic lie that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE I CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Crazy-woman-wearing-a-metal-colander-for-a-helmet YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all I have to attack you with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING you, because I have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - gossip mongering and lying bullshit P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET. Personally I'm batshit crazy......notice how I contradict myself? rolf lmao thumbs up

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST I CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
[b]I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Nazipersec 'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. K8820 BECAUSE I" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT, I contradict the case I've made...
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el kabong wrote:Lilly claims that the 'Fake Jews' and Torah Observers are 'Elitists' and that Yahwehs message does not concern all of Humankind and all the Earth, all Nations.

As usual she is wrong. Read for yourself the True Message of the Jews and Yahwehs Plan for Humankind and the Earth.


26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”

27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.

28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”

29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.

30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God
1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'

* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikkun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh

The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.
The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....


el kabong wrote:God reigns as universal sovereign over the whole earth (e.g. 2 Ki. 19:15; Pss. 99, 145, etc.).

Nothing takes place beyond his providence or outside his control. The affairs of nations in history are under his universal reign—both in general terms (e.g. Pr. 21:1) and specifically as they relate to his own people, whether God uses other nations in punishment on Israel (e.g. Is. 8:6ff.; 10:5ff.) or for their deliverance (e.g. Is. 45).

But secondly, God’s reign over and among his people Israel is of a different dimension inasmuch as it is a kingship acknowledged in covenant obedience and
based on specific historical acts of redemption, through which Yahweh is known as Lord and sovereign. Then thirdly, there is the eschatological hope of the world-wide extension of this acknowledged reign of God so that eventually ‘all nations acknowledge his saving power’ (cf. Ps.
67).

To worship Yahweh, to be an Israelite, meant ... to practise a specific way of life in
separation from and in overt opposition to time-honoured established ways of life regarded
throughout the ancient Near East as inevitable if not totally desirable.15

The whole OT (and the NT as well) is filled with descriptions of how Yahweh-Adonai, the covenant God of Israel, is waging war against those forces which try to thwart and subvert his plans for his creation. He battles against those false gods which human beings have fashioned from the created world, idolized, and used for their own purpose ... the Baals and the Ashteroth,
whose worshippers elevated nature, the tribe, the state and the nation to a divine status. God
fights against magic and idolatry which, according to Deuteronomy, bend the line between God
and his creation. He contends against every form of social injustice and pulls off every cloak
under which it seeks to hide.


el kabong wrote:Anti Semitism is a Pyschological/Spiritual/Mental disorder. Very prevelant on Internet Forums. This is why, we, as readers need to perform our Due Diligence and verify the claims that are made.

As should now be obvious Lilly cannot verify, honestly, any of her claims.


http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
All anti-Semites project their various and contradictory fears upon the Jew.


All about Israel:

51a: The Land of Israel

The Paradox

We will now reopen our discussion of the uniqueness of the Land of Israel, the great paradox we have been living since the birth of Judaism in the first pages of the Scriptures. Before God there are no political or geographical boundaries, there are no boundaries of nations or of countries. And yet, the great message of this universalism is expressed in two particularisms, two uniquenesses: the uniqueness of the People and the uniqueness of the Land. The paradox teaches us that uniqueness is the path to universalism. The uniqueness of the Jewish people is part of a plan that will lead us and the nations of the world to the end of days, a plan for the redemption of the entire world. In this plan, the descendants of the Forefathers hold a unique place and position.

This paradox was a focal point of constant debate with many thinkers, particularly those who have stemmed from Judaism and have accepted some of the general principles of our Torah. The Scriptures proclaimed that Avraham would become the father of many nations. And indeed, many nations have accepted the Torah of the Forefathers. However, many of them wished to accept these principles while erasing the name of the Jews. Sometimes this was done by actual killing of Jews, and generally it was done by stealing their identity, by claiming that they themselves are the true Jewish people.................Our attitude towards the Land of Israel is not one of territory, in which, by chance, a Jewish state exists. We relate to it as our destiny, and view the encounter with it as part of our essence as Jews. Jewish sovereignty and independence are significant, but so is our relationship to the Land of Israel. At the end of the book we will learn how Rihal envisioned the ultimate return to the Land of Israel and the redemption. Herein lies the mystery and the paradox. The return to the Land of Israel is not a tool or a means. What we have here is here a relationship of encounter, a cosmic meeting of those intended for each other from the beginning of time. Just as it is written that every person's marriage partner is announced in Heaven forty days before his birth, so too it is announced that a particular field in the Land is intended for a particular person. Our Sages wished to teach us the romantic idea that the connection between a couple exists before they meet for the first time, and that their meeting is not a chance occurrence. So too the relationship between the People and the Land is more than a chance occurrence. The relationship was written in the books of destiny.....


51b: The Land Of Israel, Part 2
we find that the climatic condition is necessary but not sufficient. The Land of Israel is unique in that its climate integrates heat and cold. In other words, it unites the characteristics of those places lacking the conditions for creating a great civilization and a sophisticated culture. And indeed, both the inception and the development of civilization took place in the temperate climates.

Beyond the geographical conditions there is a mystical reality, a spiritual uniqueness of the Land, which makes it a place where prophecy can become a reality. The Land of Israel is the destined location of the ultimate encounter between the Jewish nation and God, the place destined for prophecy and redemption.

This approach to the Land of Israel perhaps can only be understood in categories of love. A person can consider a prospective mate according to the size of the dowry or other monetary interests, as a means to advance one's career or one's social status, etc. These are purely rational reasons. However, we all know that this is not enough, and justifiably so. Beyond these things we expect something more, something irrational and emotional, something we can only describe as love. The word love describes the relationship between the People and the Land. The book of Bereshit describes how the Great Matchmaker, the Creator himself, took Avraham, the father of the Jewish nation, and brought him to the Land of Israel. There he would found his nation, and there the great encounter between the Jewish people and God will ultimately take place. The encounter between the People and the Land is also a condition of redemption..................The Land of Israel

As we have seen, the content of Jewish thought focuses around three central points: Creation, Revelation and Redemption. History is a process with many twists and turns; however, it ultimately leads us from Creation to Redemption through Revelation.

The Land of Israel symbolizes creation. The Land of Israel is also the land of prophecy.

The sacrifice of Yitzchak connects to the second point: Revelation. Just as Avraham was called to the Land of Israel from a foreign country, "Go ... to the land that I will show you" (Bereshit 12:1), so too he is called forth after entering the Land of Israel: "Go ... to one of the mountains that I will show you" (ibid. 22:2).

Here, too, Avraham follows the call to a place that he does not know, and only when he reaches it does God inform him that this is the place that God had destined for the great drama of the sacrifice of Isaac. Avraham's going reveals the holiness within the holiness. Avraham learned to recognize the holiness of the Land of Israel when he reached it. The holiness of Jerusalem had to be revealed much later, at the final trial.

The mount of the sacrifice, say the Scriptures, is the "mountain where God appeared," the place of revelation, the encounter with God. On this mountain the Temple will be built, the Temple in which man will encounter the Divine Presence. The Scriptures themselves are aware of the paradox in this claim. In king Shlomo's prayer in the Book of Melakhim we read,
"For can it be that God resides on the earth, behold the heavens and the highest firmaments cannot contain You, how can this House I have built [contain You]?" (Melakhim I, 8:27)

However, divine transcendence left room also for the immanence that is connected to "this place...and You will hearken from the heavens" (ibid. 8:29-32).

Revelation is expressed in two ways: in the personal encounter, and in the collective revelation of the Torah. Next to the Temple sat the Great Court, whose role was to teach Torah to the entire people of Israel.

The third point that is encompassed in Jerusalem is connected to the future: the Redemption. This idea means the triumph of good in the various circles of human activity: the national, the human-universal and the cosmic.

The national redemption is the return of the Jewish people to their Land. When the Jew prays for redemption, he prays to the God who "will rebuild Jerusalem," and adds, "may our eyes witness Your merciful return to Jerusalem. Blessed are You God, who will return His Presence to Zion." The redemption is the renewed meeting of the three: the People, the Land and the Divine Presence, the divine immanence.

Jerusalem is also the axle upon which the human-universal redemption turns as well. The mountain that was the center of spiritual heights for the Jewish people will become a center of inspiration and education for the entire world.
"And in the end of days the mount of the house of God will be placed above all mountains and rise above all hills and all the nations will swarm towards it. And many nations will go saying, come let us go up to the mountain of God, to the House of the God of Ya'akov, and He will teach us of His ways and we will follow in His paths, for Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of God from Jerusalem." (Yishayahu 2:2-3)

The particularism of the choosing of a People and a Land are thus merged with absolute universalism. The People and the Land preserved the Torah, so that it would spread among all the nations, and whose central expression is universal peace: "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they study war any more" (ibid. 2:4).

In Jewish tradition, Jerusalem is also the center of the cosmic redemption. Yishayahu's vision, "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" (Yishayahu 11:6) is obviously an allegory for the ideal international relations that will reign in the messianic era. However, it is also a hint at a religious utopia, in which even the natural reality will change.

Various verses in Yechezkel hint at future changes in Jerusalem. A spring will gush from it, and from it powerful rivers will stream forth, which will even heal the Dead Sea. Clearly, these are references to the ancient Garden of Eden.

And indeed certain commentators have understood it in this way. According to their interpretation, the Garden that God planted in Eden underwent a catastrophic change as a result of the sin; however, with the advent of the redemption it will revert to its original state. The Garden of Eden is the Land of Israel, and its center is Jerusalem.

If this motif exists in the Scriptural tradition, then the symbolism of the Holy Temple can be understood in its light as well. At its center, as in the Garden of Eden, the Keruvim protected the Tree of Life, which is none other than the Torah - the word of God.

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October 6 is the 279th day of the year (280th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 86 days remaining until the end of the year.

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oh wiki wiki woo woo's...why so desperate to be so desperately obvious...
Morocco Islamists win landmark election
by:By Henri Mamarbachi
From:
AFP
November 27, 2011

2:42AM

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Morocco Islamists win landmark election

Morocco's moderate Islamists have won the most seats
in a landmark parliamentary election.


MOROCCO'S moderate
Islamists have won the most seats in a landmark
parliamentary election,
the latest
religious party to achieve
spectacular gains on the back of

the Arab Spring.

The Justice and Development Party (PJD) captured 80 seats in the
395-seat assembly,
nearly double the 45 seats won by Prime Minister
Abbas el Fassi's Indpendence Party,
Interior Minister Taib Cherkaoui
told a news conference on Saturday.


The win - the first parliamentary poll victory for the party -
comes just one month after
Islamists
won Tunisia's post-revolution election and
days before their
predicted surge in Egyptian polls.

According to the new constitution overwhelmingly approved in a July referendum,
King Mohammed VI must now pick the prime minister from the party which won
the most seats in parliament, instead of naming whomever he pleases.


The king, the latest scion of a monarchy that has ruled the country for
350 years, proposed changes to the constitution that curb some of his
near absolute powers as autocratic regimes toppled in nearby Tunisia,
Egypt,
and Libya.


Related Coverage

  • Egyptians tipped to turn on Islamists The Australian, 1 day ago
  • Moroccan activists call for polls boycott The Daily Telegraph, 14 Nov 2011
  • Islamist party sweeps Tunisian elections The Daily Telegraph, 28 Oct 2011
  • Tunisian Islamists in power talks The Daily Telegraph, 26 Oct 2011
  • Tunisia votes in first free election Foundation, 24 Oct 2011
Earlier on Saturday top PJD officials said their own figures showed
they had won over 100 seats in Friday's polls, the first since the
approval of the new constitution.


"We thank the Moroccans who voted for the PJD and we can only be satisfied,"
PJD secretary general Abdelilah Benkirane told reporters after the government
confirmed his party had won the most seats in the election.


He acknowledged his party would have to tailor its program to appease prospective
coalition partners and said
the PJD is "open to everyone" when it comes to forming alliances
.


"The nub of our program and of those who
will govern with us
will have a double axis
,
democracy and good governance," he told the France 24 television channel.


"From now on, Moroccans will feel that the state is at their service
and not the other way about," Benkirane added.
"That is very important for us."


The PJD has gradually increased its share of the vote in Morocco,
seen as one of the most stable countries in the region.


After winning just eight seats in 1997, it surged in popularity,
scooping 42 seats in the 2002 election, the first of King Mohammed VI's reign.

It then increased its share in the last election in 2007
when it finished second with 47 seats.


The party focused at first on
social issues, such as
opposition to summer music festivals and the sale of alcohol,
but has shifted to issues with broader voter appeal like the
fight against corruption and high unemployment.


During the current campaign it promised to cut poverty in half and raise the
minimum wage by 50 per cent.


Unlike the banned Islamist opposition group Justice and Charity,
the Justice and Development Party pledges its allegiance to the monarchy.


But Benkirane
cuts a controversial figure for previously
derogatory comments about Berber people and homosexuals.


In 2010 he tried to ban a concert in Morocco
by the openly gay singer Elton John
because of fears of
encouraging homosexuality.


The National Rally of Independents, the second-largest party in the
outgoing five-party government coalition, won 38 seats,
while the Party of Authenticity and Modernity,
founded in 2008 by people close to the king, got 33 seats.


So far only the Independence Party has said
it would be willing to govern with the Justice and Development Party.


The king proposed a new constitution on March 9, just 17 days after
thousands of people took to the streets across Morocco calling on him
to give up some of his powers in the biggest anti-establishment
protests in the country in decades.


Morocco's pro-reform February 20 protest movement, responsible for the protests,
had called on voters to boycott the elections. It says the constitutional reforms are
insufficient.


Voter turnout was 45.4 per cent, up from 37 per cent
from the last parliamentary election in 2007, but lower than the 51.6
per cent turnout recorded in 2002.


"This turnout, if confirmed, does not reflect enthusiasm for
the new constitution or political parties,
"
said Haizam Amirah Fernandez, senior analyst for the Arab world
at Spanish think tank Real Instituto Elcano.


In all, 31 parties competed for the 395 seats in the lower house of parliament -
with 60 seats reserved for women
and 30 set aside for candidates under the age of 40.

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Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dies aged 56

56 is the Dailing code for Chile

I was looking on the October 6 Wiki page and one that stands out is...
dixie d wrote:
The Jazz Singer

It's difficult for me to get my head around what these articles mean.

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dixie d wrote:And the point being?

I'd also say there is also a link to I Robot (film)
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THE FIRST HOUSES IN AUSTRALIA
home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm -
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm
18 Oct 1985 – Whoever heard of Aborigines living in stone houses, congregating in villages, ... in western Victoria of the stone remains of these houses in a recent ... The Sydney tribes salted and dried fish and meat and hung it in trees away from dogs. ... burning the land, or "firestick farming", as Rees Jones described it. ...
Aboriginal Village
(13/03/2003)

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We’re told that aborigines were nomads. Yet the local Gunditjmara in Western
Victoria claim their ancestors lived in a village. They had eel farms,
and even an eel industry, which exported produce across the country. If
this is true, it would challenge our current understanding of aboriginal
history.

Archaeologist, Dr Heather Builth, set out to
investigate the Gunditjmara’s claims. And remarkably she found a great
deal of evidence to support them…the remains of 100s of huts, more than
75 square kilometres of artificial channels and ponds for farming eels,
and smoking trees for preserving the eels for export to other parts of
Australia.


TRANSCRIPT


Narration: At Lake Condah in western Victoria, there’s a
mystery. We’re told aborigines were nomads. Yet here the aborigines,
claim their ancestors lived in a village. A village so sophisticated,
they farmed eels in these swamps, they processed them and even exported
them across the country. If true it would seriously challenge our
understanding of aboriginal history.

Ken Saunders: We weren’t nomads. We didn’t wander all over the bloody place and gone walkabout. We had an existence here.

Professor
Peter Kershaw found some tantalising evidence in this
snake-and-leech-infested swamp. He took a soil sample from the bottom.
Because soils are laid down gradually, drilling down several metres is
like going back in time.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This is
healthy peat material. It suggests that it’s accumulated under shallow
water and there’s been constant deposition. As we go towards the top
here, you can see it’s getting very kind of fine-grained sediment. It’s
very greasy.

Narration: It’s greasy because the lake was
continually churned up while this soil was being laid…possibly churned
up by human eel farmers.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This doesn’t occur naturally. It had to have some help. People have been here or that is the most likely explanation.

Dr
Heather Builth, found more enticing clues that there could be an
ancient eel farm here. There appeared to be countless artificial
channels crisscrossing this landscape.

Dr Heather Builth:
This has had to be excavated. This channel is artificial channel that
has come through the lava flow through the sheer rock to bring the water
from this swamp into that swamp.

Narration: In fact there
appeared to be artificial ponds here as well. But it was hard to make
sense of all this because the entire area was drained in the 1800s when
the Europeans moved in. But Heather had an idea. She measured up every
little hill and valley in the landscape, entered all the information
into a geography simulation programme and then re-flooded the land on
computer.

That way she could see where all the artificial
channels led. The computer programme revealed a dazzling picture. An
artificial system of ponds connected by canals, covering more than 75
square kilometres of the landscape.

Dr Heather Builth: I
realised there was something pretty clever going on here. The swamps
were joined and there were channels joining the wetlands to the river
and there were channels continuing on to the sea across the whole
length.”

Narration: Heather was starting to believe there
could well have been an ancient eel farm here. Meanwhile, the soil
samples revealed more exciting results when they got back to Peter’s
Monash University lab. Pollens were extracted, and they showed water
plants had suddenly appeared in the record – just what you’d expect if
humans had suddenly constructed an artificial ponding system. But the
most staggering result came when he soil samples were radiocarbon dated.
The artificial ponds it appeared, were created up to 8000 years ago.

Dr Heather Builth: Yeah that is pretty amazing historically, prehistorically in the world about controlling a resource in aquaculture.
Yeah – it could be one of the oldest systems in the world.”

Narration: Of course, none of the scientific discoveries surprised Ken. He says the whole countryside here is dotted with eel traps.

Ken Saunders:
We used to trap eels ourselves and use the eels traps. And some of the
young fellas today still use the eel traps. So the eel traps were part
of our diet. I still eat the bloody things today.

Narration:
The telltale sign of an eel trap is two piles of rocks in straight
lines. Woven basket-like nets were placed in the gap where the water
once flowed.

Dr Heather Builth: This would have come in
here, and understand that it would’ve been about four times as big as
this now, and it would’ve fitted in. There would’ve been a frame here - a
wooden frame and this would’ve gone through the frame like that so it
would’ve been filling up a bit. It was a big enough collar to catch the
eels. So what it meant was they could only come out one at a time and so
someone was here to catch the eels as they came out and grab them bight
them on the back of the neck, kill them put them in the basket.

Narration:
Evidence that 8000 years ago the Gunditjmara had a large-scale eel farm
here was already enough to rock the archaeological establishment. But
what about Ken’s claim that his people actually had an industry, and
were exporting their produce?

Heather had noticed there were a
lot of these trees that had obviously had fires in them. Could it be the
Gunditjmara smoked eels in them, to preserve them for export? She took a
sample deep down where the soil was contaminant-free, to see if a lab
could find traces of eel. But after putting it in the fridge overnight
she was greeted by a remarkable surprise the next morning.

Dr Heather Builth:
The next day, when we went in to open the door, the whole room stank of
smoked eel and that was the eureka moment. And the fact that all these
trees, if people had been using them, that means there was preservation.
Suddenly the whole picture changed. Gunditjmara weren’t just catching
eels; their whole society was based around eels. And that to me was the
proof. That was it.

Narration: This wasn’t just one of the
earliest farming villages…. this was an ancient industry. And that put
the Gunditjmara in a totally different category.

Dr Heather Builth:
A specialisation had developed here of eel production. And these eels
could have gone out long distances and they would have been the currency
these people bargained with. I think what we had here was a
hierarchical structured society. We had chiefs with lots and lots of
power.

Narration: But if this was a village, where did the
inhabitants live? The answer to that lay with these stones scattered
all over the landscape. Many of them seem to lie in circular patterns.
Archaeologists had dismissed them as natural formations, but could they
be the foundations of ancient huts?

To prove that, Heather
painstakingly measured and weighed each of the stones in some of these
structures. And sure enough she found they were too uniform to have been
stacked up by nature.

Graham: This is one of the stone huts?
Heather Builth: This is one of the stone houses.

Narration: They had to have been built by human hands and the most likely explanation is they were dwellings.

Graham: How many stone huts do you think were in this area?

Dr Heather Builth: I have myself have seen hundreds.

Graham: We’re talking about… I mean that’s a village…
Dr. Heather Builth: Yes, we’re talking villages
Graham: Villages!
Heather Builth: Villages

Lindsay Saunders:
You can see there about two metres. By about a metre high. The door
would have been facing east, away from the weather coming in from the
west. This would have housed about two or three people.”

Narration:
This is what the huts might have looked like, based on historical
accounts and the materials that were available. Wooden boughs sat on top
of the stone foundations and they were covered with peat sods for
strength and reeds for waterproofing. What you’re left wondering is…How
did archaeologists miss all this? Heather believes it’s because
everything disappeared very quickly when European farmers moved in.

Dr Heather Builth: A lot of them had a military background and they knew how to get rid of aboriginal people pretty quickly.

Narration: While the scientific discoveries don’t surprise Ken, he hopes they will help his people.

Ken Saunders: If we can get National Heritage Listing – which we will get – we can then rebuild and recreate the fish traps again.

Narration:
The Gunditjmara eel-trap-weaving skills are still being handed down,
and Heather now knows how the eel farms operated. Her science may just
help Ken’s people realise their dream.

Ken Saunders: Well
you couldn’t have a blackfella telling that story. So to prove it we
had to have a white person doing the scientific research to say this is
real.

Topics: Archaeology & History


  • Researcher: Robyn Smith
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Director of the Centre for Palynology and Palaeoecology

Geography & Environmental Science
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true lilly wrote:This is in the News today, BBC News, but it's over a month, over 40 years, over 200 years,
and much, much older 'news', that like so much more truly ancient Australian History, 'they',
at
David Icke Official Forums, like the rest of The CONspiracy industry,
dare not, post, let alone, honestly discuss. Because, it is only one of
countless real world proofs, that when God described, ALL the world, ALL
the earth, All peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING, that is what He meant.


6 October 2011
Last updated at 02:18 GMT
Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia


By Stephanie Hegarty
BBC World Service

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. _55838918_wurdi_youang624x287
Continue reading the main story

An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia
could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that
ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.


Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders,
the site of
Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European
settlers two centuries ago,
and charted by archaeologists in 1977,

but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.


It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people -
the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the
rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and
practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century.


Now a team of archaeologists, astronomers and Aboriginal advisers
is reclaiming that knowledge.


They have discovered that waist-high boulders at the tip of
the egg-shaped point along the ring to the position on the horizon
where the sun sets at the summer and winter solstice - the longest
and shortest day of the year.


“Start Quote
<blockquote>It is interesting to know how far back people were doing astronomy,
if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge”

</blockquote> Prof Ray Norris
Astrophysicist



The axis from top to bottom points towards the equinox -
when the length of day equals night.


At Stonehenge, the sun aligns instead with gaps in the stones
on these key dates in the solar calendar.


The probability that layout of Wurdi Youang is a coincidence
is miniscule, argues Ray Norris, a British astrophysicist at Australia's
national science agency, who is leading the investigation.


Prof Norris and his Aboriginal partners used Nasa technology
to measure the position of each rock in relation to the sun, and
to demonstrate the connection with the solstices and equinox.


"It's truly special because
a lot of people don't take account of Aboriginal science,"

says Reg Abrahams, an Aboriginal adviser working with Prof Norris.


Giant emu
As happened with Stonehenge, the discovery could change the
way people view early societies. It is only recently that it has been
demonstrated that Aboriginal societies could count beyond five or six.


"This is the first time we have been able to show that,
as well as being interested in the position of the sun,
they were making astronomical measurements,"
says Prof Norris,
who is also a faculty member at the School of Indigenous Studies
at Macquarie University in Sydney.


'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. _55749608_emuinthesky
This photo of the emu in the sky by an aboriginal rock carving
was sent to every school in Australia



Other studies by Prof Norris, of Aboriginal songs and stories,
have also indicated a clear understanding of the movements of the sun,
moon and stars.


Indigenous customs vary among groups across Australia, but
one story that appears in many local traditions is
the tale of a great emu that sits in the sky.


The emu, which can be seen in the southern hemisphere during
April and May, is a shape made by the dark patches of the Milky Way.


Its appearance coincides with laying season of the wild emu
and for the storytellers it is a sign to start collecting eggs.


Prompted by historian Hugh Cairns, Prof Norris examined and
photographed an emu-shaped rock carving in Kuring-Gai Chase National
Park, near Sydney, which cleverly mirrors the celestial animal-like shape.

During the southern autumn, the constellation
is positioned above the rock
with the bird shape almost perfectly reflected
by the engraving.


Intellectual leap
Other stories show more complex,
intellectual understanding of the universe.


In the case of the solar eclipse, the Walpiri people in the Northern Territory
tell the story of a sun-woman who pursues a moon-man.
When she catches him the two become husband and wife
together causing a solar eclipse.


The idea that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon moving
in front of the sun is something only widely accepted by western
scientists in the 16th Century.


"This is not about balls of flames going out,
it's about one body moving in front of the other,"

says Prof Norris. "That is a giant intellectual leap."


Since solar eclipses are rare, the survival of this story,
passed down through generations,
also shows a remarkable continuity of learning.


These discoveries play a crucial role in helping
Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians
understand just how intellectually
advanced their ancient society was.


"This discovery has huge significance for understanding the
amazing ability of this culture that is maligned," says Janet Mooney,
head of Indigenous Australian Studies at Sydney University.


"It makes not only me, as an Aboriginal person,
but a lot of Aboriginal people around Australia very proud."


She hopes to be able to tell her students of
an aboriginal site more ancient than Stonehenge.


Continue reading the main story Aboriginal cultures

  • Australia's indigenous Aboriginal population make up 470,000 of the country's 21 million population
  • There are more than 400 separate Aboriginal traditions in Australia but they share many beliefs
  • All aboriginal cultures believe in the Dreaming, an expression
    for man's relationship to the spiritual natural and moral elements of
    the world

  • A Dreaming is a story owned by a particular tribe that tells the story of creation
Until it is dated however, Wurdi Youang could be anywhere from 200 to 20,000 years old.

Aboriginal stone structures in the region have a vast age
range and are very difficult to date. Many of the smaller rock sites
that have been found, such as shelters and cooking areas, have been
moved over time by natural and human forces.


But given the size of the stones at Wurdi Youang and how
deeply they are entrenched in the ground it is more likely they have
been there for thousands of years, archaeologists say.


Dating requires archaeologists to test the soil under the
rocks to see when it was last exposed to sunlight and the team hope to
be able to do this in the next few months.


But Prof Norris believes he has already proven the real value of the stone circle.

"It is interesting to know how far back people were doing
astronomy, if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge," he
says.


"But it is not quite as interesting to my mind as whether the
Aboriginal people were doing real astronomy before British contact.
That really tells us a lot about what kind of culture it is."


Reach for the Stars - Aboriginal Astronomy was produced by Robert Cockburn and broadcast by Discovery for BBC World Service. Listen the radio documentary here
___________________________________________________
Good readers, this was my playground, growing up.
It caused me to ask these questions, about this glorious, truly ancient land's,
truly ancient history, even as a child, yet despite always getting the 'accepted',
stock fob off's, 'something' always told me that's what they were.
Simple answers given to a child, as if being a child made one simple.
And so I kept, looking, asking, thinking about answers given,
and why they were given, when obviously, so many of those 'accepted' answers,
contradicted other 'accepted' answers. Until now at a mature age, having enjoyed
an 'interesting' life, moving around a lot of this country, amongst many cultural and
social groups, from farming to politics, and much in between and on the fringes,
I found that when removing the contradictions, what we are left with,
is, what God described, from the beginning.

true lilly wrote:Another Sign to LOCATE Lands
Described in Holy Scripture...


NO ONE can simply walk up to
"quails" or "pheasants"
and collect more than they can eat,
but in ONE AREA on Earth they CAN, STILL,
gather the most tasty of birds...


Mutton Birds

Aboriginal people still harvest the mutton
birds. Our catch and sales are dependent
on the sustainability of the harvest. Mutton
birds are a delicacy to eat, with a rich oily
flavour unlike any other.

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Skunbird

The short-tailed shearwater of Griffiths Island
(Puffinus tenuirostiris - Tasmanian Shearwater)
is commonly called the 'mutton bird'.
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. MuttonBird
Given the name 'mutton bird'
by early settlers of Port Fairy
of its fatty flesh, the shearwater
was hunted as a food and oil source.

Today the shearwater
is totally protected in Victoria.

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. MaP
The journey, of about 15,000 km, passes
New Zealand and Japan
and is completed in only two months.

The return journey follows the coast of
North America to California,
then south-west across the Pacific.
Prevailing winds aid their flight for most of the journey
but on the final leg, from the central Pacific,
the birds battle across south-east winds
.

They return to their nesting grounds exhausted...
http://www.port-fairy.com/shearwaters.htm
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. M835169
Ferley Gardner,
Tasmanian Aboriginal Elder...
...One of the highlights of her childhood was
when her family would pack up everything each year
and travel to Big Dog Island or Babel Island
for the mutton bird season.

...COLLECTING BIRDS ON BABEL ISLAND ...

http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Tr...s/s1045602.htm
And all anyone has to do to see it, is get over that patently absurd,
insanely too short, only recently agreed on, "out of Egypt" lie.
true lilly wrote:Australian Aborigines the first astronomers
Posted on September 20, 2010 by Deskarati
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 20100917_carving
Rock engravings at Ngaut Ngaut, South Australia, which are said to
represent lunar cycles. There are many examples like this throughout
Australia which suggest that astronomy is an important part of many
Australian Aboriginal cultures.

An Australian study has uncovered signs that the country’s ancient
Aborigines may have been the world’s first stargazers, pre-dating
Stonehenge and Egypt’s pyramids by thousands of years.


Ray Norris said widespread and detailed knowledge of the stars had
been passed down through the generations by Aborigines, whose history
dates back tens of millennia, in traditional songs and stories.

“We know there’s lots of stories about the sky: songs, legends,
myths,” said Norris, an astronomer for Australia’s science agency, the
Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organisation (CSIRO).


Star-gazing for food

“We wondered how much further does it go than that. It turns out also
people used the sky for navigation, time-keeping, to mark out the
seasons, so it’s very practical.


“People were nomadic so when Pleiades (the Seven Sisters star
cluster) was up they would move to where the nuts and berries are.
Another sign and it would be time to move to the rivers to fish for
barramundi, and so on.”

Norris, who has studied Aboriginal culture and historical accounts by
white settlers, and made several trips to Arnhem Land in Australia’s
remote Outback, said his research also revealed more detailed
astronomical thought.

Figuring out an eclipse

“Clearly some thinker in the past has been sitting down in the bush,
watching an eclipse and trying to figure out how it works,” he said,
giving one example.

“Those thoughts are then encoded in the songs and ceremonies.
If you
take a lunar eclipse, the story in Arnhem Land is it’s the Sun Woman and
Moon Man making love, and when they make love the body of one covers
the other.”

Norris is now searching for evidence that would put a date on
Aboriginal astronomy, such as a rock-carving of a meteor strike or
comet.

Establishing a beginning date

He is confident the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain’s astronomy-linked Stonehenge, which is estimated at
3,100 BC, around the age of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

“We’ve established there is all this astronomy, what I don’t know is
how far back this goes. If it goes back 10,000 or 20,000 years, that
makes (Aborigines) the world’s first astronomers,”
he said.

via
Australian Aborigines the first astronomers | COSMOS magazine.
___________________________________________________________

The thing is, THEY KNOW IT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER.
It's just that we need to slowly ease the world into feeling like
they are part of the discovery, rather than feeling like dills.

Oh, and I think it was palomino who first posted this, way back then.
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 832261
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Site_1_rand_522910504_starry_night_l_100629_aap
Researchers are confident
the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain's astronomy-linked Stonehenge.
(AAP)
WANJINA...the tin foil hat brigade only want to see 'spacemen',
in everything...but come on, these are simply, Mighty, Big, Hairy,
White Freckled Skinned, Red Heads...The Tribe of BENJAMIN...
also, Female Wanjina are very rare, as BENJAMIN nearly became
extinct. Sex crazed, immorally, cruelly, unhealthily so, the rest of
The Tribes of Israel banned intermarriage with them, but so that
they didn't die out (God keeping His Promise), they took women
not of Israel, as wives.

'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Wandjina
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. Wandjina1
Judges - Chapter 21
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jdg&c=21&t=KJV#14
And they said 559 , [There must be] an inheritance 3425 for them that be escaped 6413 of Benjamin 1144, that a tribe 7626 be not destroyed 4229 out of Israel 3478.

Howbeit we may 3201 not give 5414 them wives 802 of our daughters 1323: for the children 1121 of Israel 3478 have sworn 7650 , saying 559 , Cursed 779 [be] he that giveth 5414 a wife 802 to Benjamin 1144.

Then they said 559 , Behold, [there is] a feast 2282 of the LORD 3068 in Shiloh 7887 yearly 3117 3117 [in a place] which [is] on the north side 6828 of Bethel 1008, on the east side 4217 8121 of the highway 4546 that goeth up 5927 from Bethel 1008 to Shechem 7927, and on the south 5045 of Lebonah 3829.

Therefore they commanded 6680 the children 1121 of Benjamin 1144, saying 559 , Go 3212 and lie in wait 693 in the vineyards 3754;

And see 7200 , and, behold, if the daughters 1323 of Shiloh 7887 come out 3318 to dance 2342 in dances 4246, then come ye out 3318 of the vineyards 3754, and catch 2414 you every man 376 his wife 802 of the daughters 1323 of Shiloh 7887, and go 1980 to the land 776 of Benjamin 1144.

And it shall be, when their fathers 1 or their brethren 251 come 935 unto us to complain 7378 , that we will say 559 unto them, Be favourable 2603 unto them for our sakes: because we reserved 3947 not to each man 376 his wife 802 in the war 4421: for ye did not give 5414 unto them at this time 6256, [that] ye should be guilty 816 .

And the children 1121 of Benjamin 1144 did so 6213 , and took 5375 [them] wives 802, according to their number 4557, of them that danced 2342 , whom they caught 1497 : and they went 3212 and returned 7725 unto their inheritance 5159, and repaired 1129 the cities 5892, and dwelt 3427 in them.

And the children 1121 of Israel 3478 departed 1980 thence at that time 6256, every man 376 to his tribe 7626 and to his family 4940, and they went out 3318 from thence every man 376 to his inheritance 5159.

In those days 3117 [there was] no king 4428 in Israel 3478: every man 376 did 6213 [that which was] right 3477 in his own eyes 5869.
_____________________________________________________
Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin...

...can't you hear the same name, travel over many ages, and tongues,
and still belong to the same type of people described...
'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS. 2813551
Aboriginal people believe
we have been here "forever".
According to current scientific theories,
it is thought that Aborigines have
occupied Australia for over 60,000 years -
and possibly more than 100,000 years.
Remember, 'tintin' knows all this and more,
but as he works for 'them', he has to bury,
the fact that The Creator Who Promised to,
and DID, Save and Preserve (for Re-planting
Re-building and from where All The World
will receive it's Healing), a continent sized
land mass, CAN and WILL also Save His Faithful.
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