Why true lilly's thread of near 9000 VIEWS was LOCKED

[true lilly]

I trif to post this to make my ICKEST=TEAM TINTIN KILLER Point - A PICTURE PAINTS A THOUSAND WORDS...THE ICKEST 'lions' PLAN TO DEVOUR AUSTRALIANS... SO 'they' ARE SLAVING TO CONvince THE WORLD of THE FILTHY LIE that, WE OF O'Zion "AREN'T HUMAN"...!!! http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246

[true lilly]

And "the bugs" being "fixed" 'at' DIF, WAS REMOVING MY POSTS FROM HERE, with THE LINKS TO DIF that SHOW TEAM TINTIN'S PLOTS IN ACTION, IN THEIR OWN WORDS. Seriously, who WANTS TO BE KNOWN TO FOLLOW A MAD MOB AS PATHETICALLY WEAK AS 'them'? Should I RUSSELL up a few names and ROB 'them' of PRIDE in BEING MANIPULATED TO DEATH by that UNholy WHORE?

[true lilly]

SAVE THIS PAGE http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=355926#post355926 AND THIS http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11956&page=1640

[true lilly]

So, now that my thread has been GUTTED, AGAIN, of IT'S MOST, ICKEST DAMAGHNG, POSTS, it's been 'un'LOCKED ? FFS...WHAT FOOLS TO THINK THAT DOESN'T DRIVE THE TRUTH HOME, TO THOSE WHO MATTER...THOSE WHO DIDN'T WANT TO BELIEVE, BUT NOW KNOW, WHO IN THEIR OWN HOUSE, IS BETRAYING THEM TO THE ENEMY! And now scroll down past the examples of mass manipulation, Learn An LIVE! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11956&page=1638

[Cigar]

You talk a load of...

B O L L O C K S ! ! !

[true lilly]

O.K. if you know "tintin Code Speak" and that WIKIPEDIA IS ANOTHER SITE where 'they' hold, "SECRET IN PUBLIC" 'TALKS'...READ THOROUGHLY, and BE WARNED... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_page ...Note, it STARTS and ENDS WITH AUSTRLIA... ... ... 4 HORSEMEN of VICTORIA, OZ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_Mounted_Police_Victoria-edit1.jpg ... Then note what happened ON THE DATES of, THE 2011 OZ INTERNATIONAL AIR SHOW in AVALON, VICTORIA, next to PRINCE CHARLES', MURDOCH'S et al GEELONG GRAMMAR SCHOOL, next to DUTCH ROYAL SHELL, across, STINGAREE Bay from The CSIRO BIO-HAZARD, INCUREABLE DISEASE LAB in The City of GEELONG, dnwn the road from QUEENSCLIFF at SWAN Bay... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_5 ... And DON'T BE TEMPTED TO JOIN 'them', butTRUST GOD, HE KNOWS WHAT'S PLOTTED BEFORE THE PLOTTERS, AND IS FAITHFUL TO HIS FAITHFUL! ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_6

[true lilly]

Now if what, of all the information in the world, that WIKIpedia 'just happens' to FEATURE WHAT TINTIN DOES, doesn't TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW about 'him/them/ANTI CHRIST KRAUTS', here's an example of the first 4 "randoms" WIKI gave me -: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Township,_Buffalo_County,_Nebraska ....read them carefully.... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_Lezcano ....remember tintin is a soccer fanatic, who brags the game is CODE SPEAK...and a PLAGEARIST obsessed with using movies for CODE SPEAK... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichols_v._Universal_Pictures_Corporation ....SELLING that FACIST LIE: "man must save man and world from an evil god".... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Kapp

[true lilly]

....seems the lone voice of one old woman who won't fny God's Word, in one thread, on one desert of a forum, is the biggest threat to the whole CON forum NETwork's PLOTS, OR ELSE WHY NOT LEAVE ME ALONE TO WRITE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE TO CHOOSE TO FIND AND READ MY 'ONE OF' THREAD!

[Dude]

[Dude]

[true lilly]

Still want "proof" Ciggy... ABC News just laughed off these CONNECTED Reports on, "CONNECTED", POLICE, GOVERNMENT MINISTERS, PUBLIC SERVANT and BUSINESS LEADERS, "doing eachother favours", and, NOT KEEPING VIOLENT CRIME REPORTING RECORDS, as "scare mongering" - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victoria-police-doesnt-know-response-times/story-e6frf7kx-1226014960915 ...but we know, that as they have made the National News... http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/02/3152818.htm?site=westernvic ...'they' should be scared, for Not Taking My Advice, to STOP their 'little dogs' YAPPING about their 'UNTOUCHABLE' 'mates' who 'let them get away with', all manner of Senseless Ego Driven, Unjustifiable Violence, against those they envy and simply don't like, for being Happy with a Life of small Blessings.

[Ciggy]

So your assassins fail once and give up entirely eh? And these boffins rule the world? Seriously?

[true lilly]

So your assassins fail once and give up entirely eh? And these boffins rule the world? Seriously?

"ONCE"? Give it up Ciggy, you are among 'them' who don't know the difference between, 'complaining' and STATEMENTS OF FACT, who BITCHED LIKE CRAZY when I'd post those countless examples of HOW GOD SAVES HIS FAITHFUL, SO THAT OTHERS COULD TAKE HEART and NOT FALL AWAY, TO DEATH, during these, "difficult times, hard to bear".

So your assassins fail once and give up entirely eh? And these boffins rule the world? Seriously?

[Ciggy]

Oh that's right, every time you get a paper cut iit was the illuminaughty whut put the paper there in a clever assassination plot to bleed you to death out your fingers.

Get help, Lulzy. Find someone with their mind intact, with an herb garden, and see if there are ways to chelate the heavy metals out of your brain.

[true lilly]

So your assassins fail once and give up entirely eh? And these boffins rule the world? Seriously?

"ONCE"? Give it up Ciggy, you are among 'them' who don't know the difference between, 'complaining' and STATEMENTS OF FACT, who BITCHED LIKE CRAZY when I'd post those countless examples of HOW GOD SAVES HIS FAITHFUL, SO THAT OTHERS COULD TAKE HEART and NOT FALL AWAY, TO DEATH, during these, "difficult times, hard to bear".

Lilly did you make a thread warning people about the Australia floods?

[b]Ciggy was one of the earlist to stupidly take me, when I first started explaing and showing the, 'how's & why's', of selling the world the lie that, "Australia is a dangerous, unliveable, waterless desert". And now that the Foreign Invaders are flooding in, buying up all the best land that locals were burned, flooded and priced out of, we are moving out of our, 'hide our riches under deliberate mismanagement' age.

[true lilly]

gee, imagine if I ran an army of bots to attack my attackers, hack their machines, and bump my thread...

[true lilly]

[MoMo]

[MoMo]

[MoMo]

A Sabbath Prayer

We cannot merely pray to you, O God,
to end war;
For we know that You have made the world
in a way
That man must find his own path to peace.
Within himself and with his neighbor.

We cannot merely pray to You, O God,
to end starvation;
For You have already given us the
resources
With which to feed the entire world,
If we would only use them wisely.

We cannot merely pray to You, O God,
to root out prejudice;
For You have already given us eyes
With which to see the good in all men,
If we would only use them rightly.

We cannot merely pray to You, O God,
to end despair,
For You have already given us the power
To clear away slums and to give hope,
If we would only use our power justly.

We cannot merely pray to You, O God,
to end disease;
For You have already given us great minds
With which to search out cures and healing,
If we would only use them constructively.

Therefore we pray to You instead, O God,
For strength, determination and will power,
To do instead of just pray,
To become instead of merely to wish."

Jack Riemer
Likrat Shabbat

[true lilly]

22,000+++ Views for true lilly...so how many
AREN'T Traitorous Agents...still missing THE POINT?

Well I can't help but wonder...wherever I post,
the Numbers Soar...but only a very few DARE to
Talk WITH me...while the Full Time Agents who
'man' (BOT) Forums, go crazy at me for bringing
them readers and members, with What NO ONE ELSE
DARE to FREELY SHARE...THE VERY BEST NEWS...

...Seriously, what is so frightening about HAVING
The Free Will Choice to LIVE FOREVER, RE-PLANTING,
RE-BUILDING, HEALING and ACTUALLY CREATING?

Too Proud to say, 'Sorry God'?
Too Selfish to spread The Good Oil?

And, how many of the nearly 18 MILLION views
of "tintin's" thread at D.I.F HAVE NOTICED that
after 6 years of my showing folk that GOD EXISTS
and GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES, that 'they',
my LITERAL and Verbal ATTACKERS have NEVER
provided a Counter Argument, and while "team tintin"
keep 'making predictions' that DON'T HAPPEN,
what I and others like palomino have shown
GOD SAID To WATCH FOR, KEEP HAPPENING,
Against All The Experts and Guru's 'predictions'?

And, Do 'you' Know Who They Are...maybe some,
But, GOD ALSO SAID HE WOULD Raise And HIDE
HIS OWN, to Do the re-planting, re-building, and
CREATING.

Hey, maybe if I run around every forum I can find,
telling people not to read or consider any of 'your'
posts, they will do the opposite to, and 'you' to may
get serious thinkers sharing them with other serious
thinkers...nah, that wouldn't work, because unlike my
posts, 'yours' don't contain anything of value to seriously
think about...oh well...

btw, thanks for making it so blindingly clear again,
in this VERY PREACHY Thread of 'yours' ,
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1165-lilly-do-you-comprehend-this-data
that Team Tintin/Icke/ASSange et al ARE "The Jews"...
...oh NOT JUDAH or ISRAEL , but The Lying Synagog of Satan
...so do keep BABBLING ON BABYLON...GOD IS listening...

Users browsing this forum: None

...so, just like my reply was 'made to go away',
I'm 'not here now' either...
...and neither are 'you'...dicks...

But, dead head, when are you going to learn, that it's not what goes in,
but what comes out, that WILL KILL YOU...oh that's right, those capable of
learning, are banned from membership of Team Tintin ASSange The Sods!!!
...for fear they may twig onto 'their' favourite 'joke', being:
"We Are The Beastly Legion Slaving For The Enemy Of Life. And
we're worshiped by a world of limp dick peace freaks."

...psst, The Saviour doesn't wear rose coloured glasses,
He does see everything we say;
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1133p60-tintin-an-insight
...and He does have a two edged sword...

REVELATIONS 2:11
Let the one who has an ear hear
what the spirit
says to the congregations:
He that conquers will by no means be harmed
by the second death.’

and 12 and beyond...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=2&t=KJV#comm/12

1) the mouth, as part of the body: of man, of animals, of fish, etc.
a) since thoughts of a man's soul find verbal utterance by his mouth,

the "heart" or "soul" and the mouth are distinguished
2) the edge of a sword

Originally Posted by tintin All the EVILS of mankind release

we are legion. we are anonymous

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2938


Yeah, 'they'/'Babylon' do babble on and on in loopy circles,
getting more and more tangled in the noose 'they'
try to tie around the necks of The Living...

Babel or Babylon = "confusion (by mixing)"
From בָּלַל (H1101)

JEREMIAH 51:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=51&v=1&t=KJV#top

Idiots. It's the mobs of victi-mizer's who literally
RUN AWAY SCARED from this one, little, alone but
for her faith in Our Creator, old lady, because they
know of the countless recorded examples (some of
which), I post, to remind those finding it tough to
keep going, under the injustices they are made to
suffer, that if I can keep going, anyone can, With
God's help.

Well we know this quote of el kabong's lies
that 'they're' 'quoting me-;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFqHyCoypfM

But why the need to scream 'your' empty clap trap
over the top of independent views that the CON Industry
refuse to share with others lest they come to some more
balanced understanding of what really is going on in the world?

Do 'you' believe that thinking people haven't figured it out?

"MOVE or DIE!"...
are the first words you see
to go with the image of a
CHEETAH running FOR IT'S LIFE,
from the ANGRY JAWS of a ZEBRA...
then, over the image of
traveling ELEPHANTS, the title,
"THE GREAT MIGRATION."



Nature's Great Events is a wildlife documentary series made for BBC television,
first shown in the UK on BBC One and BBC HD in February 2009.
The series looks at how seasonal
changes powered by the sun cause
shifting weather patterns and ocean
currents, which in turn
create the conditions for some of the planetÂ’s
most spectacular wildlife events.
Each episode focuses on the challenges
and opportunities
these changes present to a few key species.

"Only a nature documentary.", is what most would think,
but then most don't Watch for The Signs God Described,
of His past and future Promises Kept.

11 Extinct Animals That Have Been Photographed Alive


The Quagga
was a unique variety of Plains Zebra, marked by having stripes only on
the front of its body, with hair color transitioning toward a light
brown or tan along its rear and underbelly, until becoming white along
its legs. This picture represents the only Quagga ever to have been
photographed alive, taken at the London Zoo in 1870.
The last Tasmanian Tiger,
or Thylacine, known to have existed died in the Hobart Zoo, in
Tasmania, Australia, on September 7th, 1936. Despite being the last of
its kind, the animal (named “Benjamin”) likely died due to neglect after
being locked out of its sheltered quarters during extreme weather.

Shambles alright...claims to be anti-DIF
but full of that mental case's defenders
insanely attacking the one game enough
to share their insider knowledge of the
beastly person behind that CON Industry
puppet.

Miss Lilly, you cannot Post in this Thread..........

Same ol' same ol' alright...won't bore folk with the same ol',
done to death, weighed and measured and found wanting,
hoodwinking propaganda (and same ol' cute cat images used
by gutless cowards, to mock, insult and threaten folk), in this
pouting, foot stomping, post of an angry child busted cheating
but still wanting to keep the prize, but will ask for the equal right,
to tell whomever I want, to refrain from posting their same ol'
hoodwinking propaganda in my threads.

[MoMo]

[MoMo]

Europe is larger then Australia, got more of everything.

Asia (plus the Middle East) 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) 30.0%
Africa 11,608,000 Sq. Miles (30,065,000 Sq. Km) 20.3%
North America 9,365,000 Sq. Miles (24,256,000 Sq. Km) 16.3%
South America 6,880,000 Sq. Miles (17,819,000 Sq. Km) 12.0%
Antarctica 5,100,000 Sq. Miles (13,209,000 Sq. Km) 8.9%
Europe 3,837,000 Sq. Miles (9,938,000 Sq. Km) 6.7%
Australia (plus Oceania) 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) 5.2%

Australia is the Runt Continent, the smallest.


lillywilly......

did you know Europe includes Russia east to the Ural mountains?

try to overlay that on your map of Australia, the Runt Continent, and the entirety of Australia would be obscured.



Notice: North America is 3 times larger then Australia, it's like you have penis envy lillywilly.

lilly, are you capable of understanding the term: RUNT CONTINENT as it pertains to Australia? It means its the SMALLEST Continent..........

Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit.


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure.

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake.


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?
..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it.




Bullshit can't handle pressure.it is like a bluff in a Poker Game............if I am holding an excellent hand I'll see all your bets/raises and then 'call you'.

When you produce your shit hand and I lay down my Royal Flush I'll collect the Ducats. nuthin' personal.

There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







Cheers Matey.



http://www.scottberkun.com/essays/53-how-to-detect-bullshit/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY[/quote]

why don't you explain how the following is 'Elitist' you antisemitic NAZI bitch.

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah/God

The Human..........

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.


The promise to Abraham was that his 'seed' will measure like the sand on a beach or stars in the sky, that's alot.

Ultimately, according to Yahwehs Plan, Humankind will Colonize the Universe as loving, caring Beings. Our Echelon will rise: Right now we are below the Malakim/Angels, when Yahwehs Plan comes to full fuition we shall rule over the Malakim/Angels.

The Earth is Humankinds beginning.

The Tikun Olam

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over allits enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of lifes capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Xns.

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is Yahweh-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* Yahweh, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: Yahweh.

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of Yah'

* This emergence of "The Image of Yah" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Xns.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of Yahs' Consciousness is so much like Yahwehs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, The Human 'Image of Yah' has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* Yahweh has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of Yah', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that Yahwehs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Xns alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of Yahweh' brings with it more Yahweh like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of Yahweh'; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rightts, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh, when we achieve this Level we will be allowed access to the rest of the Universe.
Our level of development currently would only bring grief to the other inhabitants of other worlds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

[true lilly]

I REPEAT...

SEE the Trick...


Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa THEY SHOW EVERYTHING OUTSIDE The DOCTRINES (Like KNOWING THE TRUTH about "Egypt"), of the UNIVERSAL ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCHES as COLD BLACK DEAD ... LIARS

IT'S THE SHAPE OF "the universe"

"it" IS THE SCAR IN ETERNITY, and,

MOSTLY COLD DARK DEAD SPACE

OUTSIDE "it" IS ETERNAL LIFE!

"The universe" is ONLY a tiny,
NON-'perpetual motion machine'
DESIGNED TO SUSTAIN US, UNTIL
ALL of ETERNITY COMES ROARING
BACK IN.




Quote:

Originally Posted by faraday this is the language and beliefs of a roman catholic agent. It is completely, factually, scientifically and spiritually wrong. As if "Jesus" had to rip a hole in the universe to let the spirit in. Does ANYONE believe such idiocy?

FIRST you would have had to notice
just how DISinclined I am to use the
COMMON name, "JESUS". It also "LOCKS"
people into that FALSE ROMAN CATHOLIC
'time line' and gets them ARGUING about
HOW TO SHAPE SQUIGGLY LINES, AND,
GIVES 'POWER' TO THOSE LINES, ABOVE,
THE CREATOR.

Lines like the GREEK Alphabet of ROME'S
"New" testament that WIPES AWAY MOST
of The Whole World God ALWAYS talked about,
with what was then a CONTEMPORARY, LOCALISED
re-telling of a MUCH OLDER EVENT.

Lines like the HEBREW Alphabet that "Jews
that are not Jews but do LIE; but of The
Synagogue of Satan", tried to 'make sacred'
ABOVE THE TRUTH they were used to COMMUNICATE,
that ROME ALSO USES to sell it's FALSE, WAY TOO
SHORT, 'time-line'.

Lines like ALL ALPHABETS USED in ALL 'science'
and 'education' which is all CATHOLIC CONTROLLED
to KEEP SELLING THE LYING 'Jews' FALSE, SHORT,
'time-line', that stops us SEEING the ETERNITY
OUTSIDE that 'CYCLE that ONLY TURNS IN ON 'it'SELF.

LINES Dan Winter TRIES TO MAKE "SACRED"!

You would also have to notice that I have
CONSISTENTLY SHOWN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE
to have LONG AGO INFECTED MORE 'Anti-Catholics'
and ALL SO CALLED 'Secularists' THROUGH 'The Arts',
'science' and ALL TEACHINGS OF MERELY MORTAL MAN.

Now I'm sorry if NOT MAKING A GURU
out of Dan Winter OFFENDS. I was as
GENTLE as I could be when I said, "he
got things wrong."

UNFORTUNATELY I now can NOT FIND,
'That' Dan Winter page that set off my Alarm Bells,
so had to settle for a couple of examples of
WHY he was 'hounded out of America',
and ELSEWHERE.

These (below) are only two examples of
YET MORE, CATHOLIC CONTROLLED/STAGED
bitching, to DIVIDE GENUINE SEEKERS of TRUTH
who find GURUS BEFORE THEY FIND GOD.

Something ELSE God's Son EXPLAINED when
His Apostles WANTED TO TURN ON another,
who though NOT teaching ALL they did, DID
TEACH STEPPING STONES to UNDERSTANDING.

Which is why I CAN and DO link to MANY SOURCES
that I also WARN, "Get Things Wrong" but still have
made KEY POINTS that further go to
TEARING DOWN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ADVISORY REGARDING DAN WINTER –
All That Glitters Is Not Gold
––Dr. Sonja S. Klug
––English Translation and Translator's Notes by Meru Foundation

German Original / Deutsch

Not all those who claim to be scholars actually are. For around two
years now, in Germany, in Switzerland, and probably in other European
countries, Daniel Winter has been leading seminars in the esoteric field
on the theme of Sacred Geometry, or taking part in esoteric conferences
by giving lectures in person. Winter likes to stress his academic
background, and puts himself forward, for example, in the advance
notices of his seminars in journals, just as on his homepage, as 'Doctor
of the University of Detroit', as having formerly collaborated with IBM
and the MIT Space Laboratories, and as having worked together with
Buckminster Fuller and other famous scientists -- but absolutely none of
this is true! Winter has testified on oath in court that he possesses
no kind of academic, technical, or medical qualifications or titles, and
that he discontinued his university studies.

Here follows some background on this clumsy piece of charlatanry. Dan
Winter was convicted by several courts in the USA, including the US
Federal Court and the US Bankruptcy Court of North Carolina, for
representing as his own work the work of various scholars, among others
the research of Stan Tenen on the Hebrew alphabet, which constitutes an
act of plagiarism, and in addition for adulterating the contents [of the
other scholars' work]. Moreover, Winter published under his own name
and sold for profit the works of these scholars in the form of books,
CD-Roms and videos. The court therefore sentenced him after a number of
trials to pay more than $100,000 compensation plus legal costs to the
parties affected,1 and furthermore confirmed in writing that he was
guilty of 'malicious behaviour with criminal intent'.2 That happened
several years ago, and yet Winter has still not paid a single dollar3 --
on the putative grounds that he has no income.

Since things became too hot for Winter in the USA, he now pursues his
mischievous activities in Europe. Over and over again he contrives to
convince seminar organizers of his supposed scholarly competence, and to
persuade them to offer seminars in the esoteric field -- from which
there is no doubt that he receives an income. Although some German
seminar organizers have already been warned that they are acting as
accessories to Winter's plagiarism and to the dissemination of flawed
scholarship if they offer seminars of this kind, it seems that making a
profit, in their estimation also, is more important than intellectual
integrity, or the 'joint liability' for the dissemination of
intellectual property whose ownership is in doubt.

In the Winter seminars, which represent a bizarre high-speed romp
through all the esoteric disciplines -- from Sacred Geometry, DNA, the
Holy Grail, Buckminster Fuller, extraterrestrials, and Free Energy, to
nutrition and spirituality -- participants are confronted again and
again with the matter of follow-up literature relating to the themes
addressed. So it isn't surprising that in the course of the last year
Winter almost managed to get a German publisher to take on a book
project, even though the American court had strictly forbidden him to
publish any such materials. As it happened, the German publisher became
aware of the court's judgment in the nick of time, and withdrew.

For some time now a warrant made out against Dan Winter has been on file
in the US Federal Court in Rochester, New York. We can therefore not
rule out the possibility that Winter will vanish from sight somewhere in
Europe or Australia, so as to escape arrest: for otherwise he will be
arrested by the police upon arrival at any New York airport.4

I should add that Winter's homepage www.danwinter.com
was closed down in accordance with a court ruling. Until a year ago
Winter was disseminating from this website plagiarized intellectual
property with a more or less scholarly / esoteric background, and he was
using his homepage as an information source in his seminars. For some
time now, in place of this, under www.danwinter.com, it has been possible for everyone to consult the USA court judgments against Dan Winter in their original wording.

Nonetheless, and sad to report, Winter is not complying with the court
orders. Quite recently, with the help of various European operators,
using other domain names, he has opened homepages with the same
plagiarized contents. By moving his activities to Europe he is trying to
escape the reach of the American courts. A certain German operator was
informed in writing about the disregard for copyright and the
questionable content of the Winter website, but chose to ignore the
facts.

Those who organize and even attend seminars should be expressly warned
against offering events to Dan Winter, or taking part in them. In
addition, one should not take the contents of his homepages too
literally, for given his lack of basic academic training many of his
supposedly scholarly findings will appear in false or distorted
versions, while their real authors or sources will not be mentioned.
Anyone who is interested in the themes which Winter offers should try to
find other, serious sources of information or seminars, such as Tattva Viveka. (DANGEROUS HINDU COW MANURE!)



Translator's notes:

1The Federal Court and the Bankruptcy court awarded the Tenens and Meru
Foundation court costs for two separate actions. Meru and the Tenens did
not sue for damages. Including interest, the amount Mr. Winter owes the
Tenens and Meru Foundation is now over $120,000.

2"Willful and malicious" is the precise legal term in English used by the Federal Court.

3Mr. Winter paid $10,000 of the original $85,000 judgment against him
directly to the Tenens' and Meru Foundation's attorney, at the close of
court in 1998. He has paid nothing since.

4In fact, Mr. Winter will be arrested by the US Marshal's Service if and
when he enters the United States via any US airport, or other border
crossing, and transported to Rochester, NY.

Back to Legal Documents

http://www.danwinter.com/GermanAdvisory-English.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

StatCounter - Free Web Tracker and Counter Tenen v. Winter 6:94-cv-7934
CORRECTIVE NOTICE WEBSITE
See List of Posted Documents

Deutsch: Notiz über Dan Winter English Translation (with footnotes)

November 2004
Persons interested in the Heart Tuner, click here
for statements from Rollin McCraty of the Institute of Heart Math
Dr. Gary Schwartz of the University of Arizona, and
Vinny Pinto, moderator of the Coherence e-group on Yahoo

November 2006
Correction and Statement by Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz

December 2006
"One Crystal's Dance": This is a true copy of the entire original text
as provided by Mr. Winter, and as submitted as an exhibit for his
sworn deposition in Asheville, North Carolina in 1995. This link also
includes an excerpt from "By The Holy Tetractys!" by L. Gordon
Plummer, which was plagiarized by Mr. Winter for the "Star Mother"
geometric model in "One Crystal's Dance".

REWARD
Meru Foundation is offering substantial rewards and "finders' fees" for
information that leads to the collection of the $140,000 in court costs
and interest owed to it by Mr. Daniel E. Winter.

If you have done business with Mr. Winter, or have information with
regard to his business and/or business partners, please contact reward@danwinter.com for further information.
Meru Foundation is also accumulating evidence for possible future legal
action (US and world-wide) with regard to Mr. Winter's (and those acting
with and for him) new plagiarism and disparagement. If you have
purchased copies of Mr. Winter's illicit works, if you have attended
presentations by Mr. Winter, or those working with and for him, or if
you have other first-hand knowledge or physical evidence of the new --
and quite obvious -- works of plagiarism and disparagement, please
contact action@danwinter.com.


Dear Friends,

www.danwinter.com
has been transferred to the Plaintiffs, Stanley and Cynthia Tenen and
Meru Foundation, by order of Hon. Judge Charles J. Siragusa, of the US
Federal District Court for the Western District of New York in
Rochester.

The Court has taken this action because Mr. Winter has refused to
respond to the Court. He has refused to show up for hearings, for
depositions, and to show cause why he should not continue to be held in
contempt of court for his many violations of the Court's orders. This is
not a matter of censorship. There is an arrest warrant for Mr. Winter
filed with the United States Federal Marshals' Service, and he is a
fugitive. It is the Court's way of using its discretionary powers to
encourage Mr. Winter to appear in Court in the United States, and for
deposition, as he has been ordered to do. The idea is to get Mr.
Winter's attention, not to censor him. (The three most recent Court
Orders, listed and linked to below, make this clear.)

For the time being, this website includes an index of posted documents,
the Court's orders including Mr. Winter's Corrective Notice, a list of
copyright-violating works, and excerpts from related sworn depositions
and affidavits by recognized professionals, who are either expert
witnesses or eyewitnesses.

We are planning to address Mr. Winter in an open letter, to be posted
here in the near future. In the meantime, we ask all of those who are
interested in the ideas that have brought them to this site to read the
index and summaries listed below. It is very important that everyone
understand the most important issue is not a matter of property, or
slander. Nor is it a matter of Mr. Winter's admitted plagiarism, and
willful and malicious behavior. The most important issue is that the
materials presented by Mr. Winter are not only taken from the works of
others, but that he is deliberately misrepresenting those works. In
other words, social, political, personal, and legal issues aside, the
materials presented by Mr. Winter are bogus. Mr. Winter actually
bragged -- when he was first confronted about his lying -- that he knew
that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden
mean and the golden spiral) was untrue, but that his audiences -- in his
words -- were "too stupid to know the difference."

This is the reason why you should consider informing yourself about the
facts. The problem is not that Mr. Winter is selling stolen goods.
That is a problem, but it's not the worst problem. The problem is that
when you open the metaphoric box of ideas that Mr. Winter is always
advertising, the box is empty, or full of things that are untrue. Mr.
Winter is not "liberating secrets". It is as if he is selling stolen
cars that don't even have engines. (Metaphorically, of course --
thankfully, Mr. Winter is not actually selling cars. <smile>)

Also, by admitting -- bragging -- that "my audiences are too stupid to
know the difference," Mr. Winter is expressing contempt for his own
audiences. This is not science. This is quackery. Mr. Winter has no
credentials. He has no publications. He has no colleagues. His
representations of accomplishments are false, and his reputation is that
of a con artist. Mr. Winter's victims are his audience. That is why
he has such contempt for his audience. This is why honest, caring
people who are interested in the topics Mr. Winter discusses should turn
their backs on him, and go instead to the honestly-presented original
sources of the research.

If you have any influence on Mr. Winter, or any interest in helping him,
then we ask you to help him to keep the promises he made, and to honor
the court's orders.

And finally, there should be no doubt of who is telling the truth here,
because in fact, the first order posted here, entitled Findings of Fact,
Conclusions of Law, and Order which the court issued as an Order after
reviewing the evidence, was actually composed by Mr. Winter and the
attorney he hired. In other words, the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of
Law, and Order is Mr. Winter's personal admission of guilt and
responsibility.

Mr. Winter and his attorney -- in order to conclude the lawsuit -- swore
before the Court that Mr. Winter was effectively an impostor, that he
had plagiarized and bastardized the works of Stan Tenen and the Meru
Foundation, that he had acted willfully and maliciously, and all the
rest of it. So when you are reading the Findings of Fact, Conclusions
of Law, and Order, you are reading Mr. Winter's statement, and Mr.
Winter's side of the story. Mr. Winter's unsworn statements which he
now makes in public are his way of attempting to discount what he
admitted to in Court. These statements are not under oath, and these
statements were not reviewed by an impartial US Federal Court judge.
Thankfully, we enjoy freedom of speech, and that includes the freedom to
lie. The facts are what was sworn to and reviewed by the court.

Please help all those who care about these issues to understand the facts.

One further thought. Dishonest people, and people who enjoy hurting
others -- like Mr. Winter -- count on the fact that the vast majority of
healthy, caring, well-intended people are not suspicious by nature, and
accept what they are told at face value. This is good. Decent, caring
people should not have to be suspicious, and should not need to
double-check every claim that is made. But unfortunately, this means
that decent, caring people, young and old, students and professionals,
are easily deceived by people like Mr. Winter, who go to so much trouble
to deceive them.

No one who has been taken in by Mr. Winter's claims should feel badly.
This is not anything to be ashamed of. The fact is that even the best
informed and most careful people can be deceived by a determined liar.
Please, if you did not immediately realize the truth about Mr. Winter
and his claims, do not feel foolish, and please be respectful and
understanding to other caring people when you speak with them. That's
the golden rule.

If you have any questions, or need further information, please contact us via email: dwinter-webmaster@sprynet.com .

Yours truly,
Board of Directors,
Meru Foundation


List of Posted Documents:


* Corrective Notice by Daniel E. Winter

* Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order (July 1998)

o Exhibits to Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order

o List of Offending Works

o Excerpts from Sworn Statements of Witnesses

o Affidavit of Michael William Martin

o Affidavit of James J. Hurtak

o Daniel E. Winter: Stipulation of Free Will Agreement

* Order Declaring Daniel Winter in Contempt of Court (2001)

* Order Transferring Ownership of danwinter.com to Plaintiffs (2002)

* INJUNCTION against All Publications by Daniel E. Winter and All Materials Pertaining to Daniel E. Winter (2002)

* Original Complaint against Daniel E. Winter by the Plaintiffs, Stanley and Cynthia Tenen and the Meru Foundation (1994)

* Excerpts from Deposition of Daniel E. Winter, 25 May 1998

* Antisemitic and Hate Email Received from Followers of Mr. Winter
This material was filed as part of a Declaration to the Court in October 2004.


Legal Papers regarding 1999 Bankruptcy Filing of Daniel E. Winter
Bankruptcy denied in April 2000

In the United States, Bankruptcy is a constitutional right. For an
individual to be denied bankruptcy requires egregious behavior, such as
lying, refusing to disclose assets, and other gross distortions of the
facts, on the part of that individual.

Since Mr. Winter's plagiarism and disparagement of the Tenens and Meru
Foundation was ruled "willful and malicious" by the Federal District
Court in New York, Mr. Winter's judgment debt to the Tenens and Meru
Foundation was deemed non-dischargeable by the Bankruptcy Court.

Since Mr. Winter refused to cooperate with the Bankruptcy Court, acting
evasively and non-responsively, the Bankruptcy Court ruled that his
entire petition for Bankruptcy was illegitimate, and denied it.

* Mr. Winter's Original Bankruptcy Filing, October 1999

PDF File, 1024K

* Debt to Tenens and Meru Foundation Ruled Non-Dischargeable

PDF File, 295K

Mr. Winter's Entire Bankruptcy Denied by US Bankrupcty Court
PDF File, 83K

Historical and Sworn Materials on Mr. Winter's Relationship with "Drunvalo Melchizedek"


This chronological outline includes the following historical and sworn documents:

o Letter from Mr. Melchizedek to Mr. Winter, 21 April 1992,
Requiring Mr. Winter to Cease Use of Mr. Melchizedek's Name or Work

o Additional Excerpts from Deposition of Daniel E. Winter, 25 May 1998


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http://www.danwinter.com/
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And now another source that I've often referred to,
ALSO GETS THINGS WRONG, BUT ALSO WARNS ALL
CHECK ALL THEY HEAR before believing it,
by SEARCHING and STUDYING FOR THEMSELVES,
and other than also being under the Egypt DECEPTION,
are one of the MOST ANTI-CATHOLIC churches out there.

And all this and more IS TOTALLY FREE, AND, they
do NOT then chase you to join.

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NO PLAGIARISM or HIDDEN AGENDA,
and ALL FOR FREE for ANYONE to
FURTHER PURSUE THEIR OWN STUDY.

And like me, NOT RUNNING or HIDING
FEARING FINANCIAL LOSS, BUT FREELY
GIVING INSIGHTS GOD FREELY GAVE.

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE
between
being chased FOR THEFTS
and
being persecuted BY THEFTS.

Yes, I use the word FREE a lot, because
THE TRUTH IS FREE FOR ALL WHO ASK GOD,
but in This System of Things IT COST DEARLY.

I can't even afford BUS FARE to Town,
let alone RUNNING ALL OVER THE WORLD,
and even then when I ever do GO ANYWHERE,
"They" JUST HAVE TO TELL ME WHERE I'VE BEEN,
NEVER LETTING ME FORGET, "They're Everywhere,
and Always Watching"...but still TO GUTLESS to
stay in my house after all their assaults, yet again
FAILED to Break My Faith.

Get it, "THEY" BEAT ME HALF TO DEATH
BUT "They" RAN AWAY, SCARED!

Sorry, but I continue to stand on THE RECORD
of the integrity of THE SOURCE of The GOOD NEWS
I've always looked to find and FREELY share.

And there still is NOT a single mob of worldly,
DYING world WORSHIPPERS, of 'science' or 'religion'
that anyone can tie me to.

[MoMo]

Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit.


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure.

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake.


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?
..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it.




Bullshit can't handle pressure.it is like a bluff in a Poker Game............if I am holding an excellent hand I'll see all your bets/raises and then 'call you'.

When you produce your shit hand and I lay down my Royal Flush I'll collect the Ducats. nuthin' personal.

There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







Cheers Matey.



http://www.scottberkun.com/essays/53-how-to-detect-bullshit/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

lissen up you ignorant bitch, your Avatar is a deception-you only placed a partial map of europe over the map of Australia.

TORAH FOR ALL ISRAELITE NATIONSBy Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/26.php

THE PROMISE TO END SLAVERY

In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

INITIAL OFFER

Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.........................

Everything you need to remediate your ignorance concerning the Lost Tribes.

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/

From FULL RESTORATION OF ALL ISRAEL series
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home

Full Restoration Of Israel!
Part I of a Series

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In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting...................

lilly, your bullshit is played out, you are the elitist, deceiver......do a reality check. Spam this thread again and I'll bury your Threads in Spam.........asshole

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...............................lilly, you are promoting one of the sickest, must deranged and repugnant doctrines.

Church Replacement Theology...........you call it 'Spiritual Israel'. That is a lie, deceit, fraud.

'Spiritual Israel' is any Gentile who accepts and agrees that YHWH has Blessed Abraham and his progeny with an Eternal Covenant blessing them and the ownership of Canaan/Israel for eternity.

Definition

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.

Theological Basis

Replacement Theology is closely associated with Reformed (or Covenant) Theology, the brand of theology historically linked to John Calvin (1509-1564) and the Protestant Reformation. Reformed/Covenant Theology, in turn, is closely associated with amillennialism, an eschatological view with a spiritualized (rather than literal-historical) interpretation of the prophetic Scriptures. The natural affinity these views (that is, Replacement Theology and amillennialism) seem to have for each other is understandable because Replacement Theology relies so heavily on a non-literal and allegorical interpretation of the biblical promises to Israel.

Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans - including even Calvin himself - wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God and experiencing a national regeneration, that is an increasingly marginalized, minority view in Reformed Christianity today (which is ironic, since we have seen the amazing rebirth of the nation of Israel, just as the Word of God predicted!). And even among those who allow for an end-time work of the Spirit of God among the Jewish people, there is still a reluctance to acknowledge that God is not finished with His people Israel as a nation, or to acknowledge the prospect of a future Kingdom on the Earth.

This view stands in contrast to the teachings of Dispensational Premillennialism, which affirms the continuing role that Israel plays (in tandem with the Church) in the outworking of God’s plan of redemption.

Historical Roots

Elements of Replacement Theology can be traced as far back as Marcion (A.D. 160), who carried on a theological crusade to purge the Church of what he perceived to be dangerous Jewish errors and influences. Later, many of these same anti-Judaic sentiments found their way into the thinking (and writings) of the Early Church fathers. Irenaeus (c. 180), for instance, wrote, “The Jews have rejected the Son of God and cast Him out of the vineyard when they slew Him. Therefore, God has justly rejected them and has given to the Gentiles outside the vineyard the fruits of its cultivation” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, [1885-1887], Volume 1, p. 493).

Over time, statements like these became the basis for full-blown anti-Semitism in some sectors of Christianity. Anything Jewish was renounced as an attempt to subvert and “Judaize” the Church. Teachings like chiliasm (millenarianism), for instance, were denounced as “Jewish fables.” The Early Church, which was clearly and undeniably Jewish, was described as “primitive,” unenlightened, and beset by erroneous notions that were carry-overs from ancient Judaism.

By the seventh century, Jewish people who came to faith in the Messiah were required to denounce their Jewish ancestry and heritage before they could be baptized. Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University cites the following Visigoth profession from c. A.D. 680-687: “I do here and now renounce every rite and observance of the Jewish religion, detesting all its most solemn ceremonies and tenets that in former days I kept and held. In future I will practice no rite or celebration connected with it, nor any custom of my past error, promising neither to seek it out or perform it. In the name of this Creed, which I truly believe and hold with all my heart, I promise that I will never return to the vomit of Jewish superstition. Never again will I fulfill any of the offices of Jewish ceremonies to which I was addicted, nor ever more hold them dear. I altogether deny and reject the errors of the Jewish religion, casting forth whatever conflicts with the Christian Faith, and affirming that my belief in the Holy Trinity is strong enough to make me live the truly Christian life, shun all intercourse with other Jews and have the circle of my friends only among honest Christians. With them or apart from them I must always eat Christian food, and as a genuinely devout Christian go often and reverently to Church. I promise also to maintain and embrace with due love and reverence the observance of all the Lord’s days or feasts for martyrs as declared by the piety of the Church, and upon those days to consort always with sincere Christians, as it behooves a pious and sincere Christian to do. Herewith is my profession of faith and belief as given by me on this date …” (“Professions of Faith Extracted from Jews on Baptism,’ from the Internet Medieval Sourcebook compiled by Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University [www.fordham.edu/halsall/sources/jewish-oaths.html]).

The incredible irony here is that only a few centuries earlier, the Church had been almost exclusively Jewish! The Messiah was Jewish; the writers of the Bible were Jewish; the apostles were Jewish; the earliest Christians were Jewish; the first congregation was Jewish (located in Jerusalem); and the first missionaries were Jewish!

In fact, a council of Church leaders - including Paul, Barnabas, Peter and James - was convened at Jerusalem (Acts 15) so the leaders of the new and growing Messianic Movement (known first as “the sect of the Nazarenes,” Acts 24:5) could decide upon what conditions non-Jews would be admitted into the fellowship of the saints! But here, within just a few generations, the shoe was already on the other foot! Non-Jews were in control of the Church now. Jewish doctrines (the earthly Kingdom in particular) were considered erroneous and even seditious. And non-Jewish Church leaders were laying down the terms for Jewish believers in Jesus who wished to be baptized.

Exegetical Problems with Supersessionism

Did the sins of the Jewish nation result in her rejection? Paul’s answer is found in Romans 11: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people whom He foreknew (vv. 1-2, NKJV). I say then, have they [Israel] stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! (vv. 11-12, NKJV). For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (v. 15, NKJV).

If the Jewish nation has no future in God’s plan, as the supersessionists claim, then what is the future “fullness” of Israel that Paul mentions in verse 12? And when, exactly, will the nation be resurrected (“life from the dead”) and “accepted” by God (verse 15)? Paul can’t be talking about the Church in this passage because the Church has never died - and never will (John 11:26). The only reasonable answer is that Paul is referring to a yet-future resurrection and restoration of Am Israel (the “people of Israel,” a collective term for the nation), as prophesied in passages like Ezekiel 37:1-14. It doesn’t mean they will automatically be saved simply because they are Jewish; rather, it means that the majority of Jewish people who are living at that time will recognize Yeshua of Nazareth as their Messiah and receive Him as Savior (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26).

They will be saved in the same way believers from all ages and generations have been saved; that is, they will be saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-10). The problem with saying that God rejected His people Israel is that the term “rejection” implies permanence and finality. Paul’s forceful statements in Romans 11 probably indicate that people were claiming, even in his day, that God had “cast away” His people Israel (v. 1). They were saying that Israel had “stumbled’ and “fallen” from her former position (vv. 11-12). Paul rejected any such notion (“Certainly not!” in verses 1 and 11). Then he goes on to say that even if we insist on saying that they were rejected, then we are forced to the conclusion that the rejection is only temporary. Even if we insist on saying that they did stumble and fall, then it must also be said that their fall brought salvation to the rest of the world (Gentiles) - and Israel’s fall, too, is only temporary because they are destined to be restored one day to a position of “fullness” (v. 12).

The “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom. 11:25) refers to the time when the full number of non-Jewish believers has been added to the ranks of the Church and the last person has been saved. Likewise, the “fullness” of the Jewish people (v. 12) refers to the time when “all Israel shall be saved” (v. 26). As we saw earlier, that means the Jewish people en masse will recognize and receive their Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth. There may be some dissenters - and their probably will be - but the Holy Spirit of God will do a powerful work among the Jewish people, and multitudes of them - the vast majority of them - will come to faith in the Messiah of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth.

The truth is that God is no more finished with Israel than He is finished with the Gentiles. Neither one has been replaced by the other; and God’s plan for both remains intact, in spite of their failures. This is really the crux of the issue. Replacement Theology says that Israel was rejected by God and that the rejection was permanent and irrevocable; however, we say that God’s calling on Israel was permanent and irrevocable, in spite of her many sins and shortcomings (Romans 11:29)

What Did the Apostles Believe About the Millennium?

Another problem for supersessionism and amillennialism is that these views are not in harmony with the teachings of the Apostles and the Early Church. Almost without exception, Church historians agree that chiliasm, an early form of premillennialism, was the position of the Early (Jewish) Church. In his classic, encyclopedic History of the Christian Church, Philip Schaff wrote, “The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene Age [A.D. 100-325] is the prominent chiliasm, or millenarianism, … a widely current opinion of distinguished teachers, such as Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, and Lactantius …” (Scribner, 1884; Vol. 2, p. 614).

What’s interesting about this admission is that it comes from someone who was neither evangelical nor premillennial. Schaff, in fact, was himself an ardent supersessionist! He wrote, “The carnal Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament is a diabolical perversion. The Christians, and not the Jews, are the true Israel of God and the righteous owners of the Old Testament Scriptures” (Ibid., Sec. 167, “Barnabas”). Yet as a student of history and as a scholar, he had to acknowledge that chiliasm was “prominent” in the Early Church, even though he himself despised it.

It should be noted that Papias (who believed in a future, earthly Kingdom) was a disciple of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of the Apostle John who actually penned the passages in the Book of Revelation about the Millennial Kingdom. Premillennialism, then, may be the only eschatological system with an unbroken link directly to the author of the Apocalypse. This means that amillennialism represents a departure from what the Early Church believed. Augustine (354-430), author of City of God, a 22-volume defense of his theological views, proposed ideas similar to what we know as amillennialism (Books 15 to 19). However, even Augustine started out as a premillennialist! It wasn’t until later in his life that he decided that the prophecies about (and promises to) Israel should be interpreted symbolically and applied to the Church, rather than being interpreted literally and applied to Israel.

The Sticking Point: Messiah’s Millennial Monarchy

Evangelicals have been busy for years trying to hammer out an understanding between premillennial dispensationalists and adherents of Reformed/Covenant Theology. Dispensationalists who have been actively pursuing this agenda (and making concessions to the opposing view) are known as “progressive dispensationalists.” The one point, however, that continues to be a fly in the ointment of reconciliation is the Millennial Kingdom. Even Covenant theologians who allow for an end-time mass conversion of the Jewish people still have difficulty accepting Israel’s role in a future, literal Kingdom on the Earth. This shows just how diverse amillennialism and premillennialism are and how difficult it is to bridge the gap between them without seriously compromising one or the other.

Why Is This Error Dangerous?

Is Replacement Theology really worth arguing about? Or is this discussion much ado about nothing? One reason it’s important to call attention to questionable theology, no matter how deeply entrenched it may be in traditional Christianity is that sooner or later, bad theology always leads to bad practice - and in this case, it already has! Replacement Theology has provided the basis for all sorts of mischief, persecution, and atrocities against the Jewish people throughout Christian history.

For example, Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, was a supersessionist. Near the end of his life, he said that synagogues and Jewish schools should be burned to the ground, Jewish people run out of their homes, their prayer books and Talmudic writings burned, and the rabbis forbidden to preach or teach on penalty of death (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], pp. 268-271). Luther also declared that Jewish people in Germany should be confined to their own homes and neighborhoods - a plan the Nazis implemented literally when they quarantined Jewish families in ghettos in Poland and other places before shipping them to the death camps for extermination. One historian writes: It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther’s advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering, and Himmler (William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich [New York: Simon & Shuster, 1960], p. 236).

No one is suggesting that anyone who believes in Replacement Theology is an anti-Semite or would agree with Luther’s statements. That would be an unfair characterization - and it certainly is not the case. It is important, nevertheless, to examine the implications and ramifications of any position, including Replacement Theology: and it is an incontestable fact that ideas similar to those of Replacement Theology have inspired some horrible atrocities against the Jewish people.

We’re Making Progress!

As we observed earlier, the term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new, and is generally avoided by adherents of supersessionism. As far as they are concerned, they’re simply espousing traditional theology - and in a sense, they are! Supersessionist ideas have been widely accepted in mainstream Christianity since the third century or so, as mainstream Christianity was gradually losing its original Jewish character. The Gentile powers-that-be in early institutional (Eastern and Western) Christianity wanted to distance themselves from Christianity’s Jewish origins. And they did!

The good new is that slowly but surely we’re making progress in our battle against Replacement Theology. Everywhere we go, all over the world, (even Arab countries!), we find believers who acknowledge Israel’s unique and ongoing place in God’s plan of the ages, and who are anxiously awaiting that Golden Age when, for the first time, “they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the Earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9).

Most Baptists today are premillennial (except for the most liberal Baptist denominations), as are many Bible churches, particularly those associated with IFCA (Independent Fundamental Churches of America) International and similar groups of independent churches. There are even premillennial Presbyterians! Our ranks are growing with every day that passes. Much of the opposition comes from the more liberal, mainline denominations and their seminaries. And it’s not merely coincidental that these are the same churches and institutions that are aligned with the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian World and National Councils of Churches.

If you’d like to know if your church leaders believe in Replacement Theology, ask them! If they are not familiar with the term, be patient because it’s entirely possible that they have never heard it before, even if they attended seminary. Also, it’s not likely that they’ve ever knowingly aligned themselves with any view that’s anti-Semitic, anti-Judaic or anti-Israel. This may all be new to them! Ask them, very humbly and sincerely, if they believe that God rejected Israel when Israel rejected His Son in the first century and that as a result, He has no future plan or purpose for the Jewish nation. They may reply that yes, of course, Jewish people can be saved and join the Church - and to them, that means God has a plan for the Jewish people. However, that’s not what we’re asking. We want to know if they believe that God is no longer dealing with the Jewish nation - and don’t be surprised if the answer, ultimately, is in the affirmative. After all, as we saw earlier, this has been the predominant view of mainstream Christianity for centuries - roughly since the time of Augustine, in fact. Sadly, this view has become normative in much of the Church, including many denominations and their seminaries.

Let’s not be afraid to challenge theological tradition when it’s wrong. It’s our responsibility to proclaim and defend the premillennial hope of the Church - and the nation of Israel - in these days of widespread error and apostasy. We should encourage our premillennial Bible colleges and seminaries to take a stand on Replacement Theology and challenge them to produce graduates who are knowledgeable about the historical and theological issues Replacement Theology encompasses. There’s a lot we can do, and we should be doing all we can!

lol-lilly, you remain a bullshit artist and an antisemite.

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