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true lilly Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:31 pm

Australia's Herculean peace offering to Indonesia
From:NewsCore
November 21, 2011
4:31PM

AUSTRALIA will give four C-130 Hercules - worth an estimated $30
million - to Indonesia for disaster relief and humanitarian work in
the first military swap of its kind between the two countries.

Three high-speed Australian naval vessels
will also be deployed to Indonesian waters
to launch an offensive against people smugglers.

The agreements struck yesterday in Indonesia's resort island of Bali
between Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Indonesian President Susilo
Bambang Yudhoyono marked a series of new strategic partnerships in
what appeared a peace offering to soothe tensions about Australia's deal
to host more US troops on Australian soil.

The aircraft, which need about $25 million spent to restore them to airworthiness,
were due to be sold on the open market as Australia upgrades its fleet.

But the Australian Defence Force has agreed to give them to the Indonesian
military, following a request for more resources to boost disaster relief across the region.

"These aircraft
are important to
the movement of people
and equipment and food
in times of difficulty,"
Ms Gillard said.

In a
further strengthening of military ties,
Australia will provide support for
an Indonesian armed forces
peacekeeping centre.

Related Coverage

Military gift helps smooth tensions Courier Mail, 1 hour ago
SBY, Gillard on path of reconciliation Foundation, 11 minutes ago
Can't we all just get along? PM to reassure China Herald Sun, 1 day ago
US poses no threat to China Perth Now, 1 day ago
Indonesian top brass uneasy over US plan The Daily Telegraph, 2 days ago

true lilly Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:38 am

National security and anti-terrorism laws
in Australia

In
this special additional chapter of The News Manual Online, we look at a
number of Australian laws about national security, snooping and
anti-terrorism.
We examine the way such laws have developed in recent years and how
they can affect the work of journalists in that country. While
it refers directly to legislation in Australia, it might also be
interesting for journalists from other countries with such laws or which
are thinking of making such laws.

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What
is popularly called 'the war against terror' has had major effects on
journalists throughout the world, one being an increase in the number
and severity of laws on
national security issues.

Many
democracies have implemented laws specifically to fight terrorism,
including nations which had hitherto lived in relative peace. Some of
them are explicitly titled
'anti-terrorism', some are branded as 'patriotic' while others are amendments to existing criminal codes.

However they are described, almost all impact to some degree on the work of journalists.

Although
terrorism has existed for centuries in many countries under different
names and guises such as militant nationalism, separatism and
independence movements,
Australia has been relatively untouched by organised terrorism. Even
the two biggest attacks on Australians, the Bali bombings in 2002 and
2005, happened overseas and Australians stood more chance of being
killed by terrorists while in London, New York or the Middle East than
in their own country.

However,
the seemingly random and global nature of the new wave of terrorist
atrocities drove the governments of many hitherto unscathed nations
such as Australia to
enact their own anti-terrorism laws,
especially in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks in America and
the first Bali bombing a year later. Because the so-called ‘war’
against
terrorism could not be fought along conventional lines, with military
responses to organised aggression, the new laws tried to be pre-emptive
and to rely more on
the structures and methods of the security services which, by their very nature, tended
to be more secretive and less directly accountable to the general citizenry.

Before
the latest spate of laws, many countries already had laws attempting
to combat the overthrow of governments, attacks on citizens by
political, religious or ethnic militants or invasion by other nations.

We will first look at some of the more traditional security-related laws in Australia then
some more recent anti-terrorism legislation.

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Sedition laws

Sedition laws are discussed as criminal libels in Chapter 71.
In some countries they are still actively used by governments to
suppress dissent, though in many free-speech democracies they have a
poor history and until recent times were seldom used.

According to a Parliamentary Library report cited below: "The last Australian prosecution
and jailing for sedition was in 1960, when Department of Native Affairs
officer Brian Cooper was prosecuted for urging 'the natives' of Papua
New Guinea to demand independence from Australia. He was charged under
the Queensland Criminal Code which at the time extended to Papua New
Guinea. He was convicted and sentenced to two months imprisonment with
hard labour. He committed suicide four years after losing his appeal to
the High Court."

The advent of tougher laws to counter terrorism has raised the issue again in Australia.

Sedition was traditionally behaviour which intended to: bring the government into hatred
or
contempt; excite disaffection against the government, constitution,
parliament and Kings Dominions; and bring about change to those
institutions unlawfully.

When interpreting sedition laws, judges have usually made a distinction between
talk about changing government (the free speech aspect) and practical actions which
might lead to the overthrow of a government (the criminal element). Sedition
laws said citizens can be vehement about political change but
they must not do anything to achieve it by illegal means, such as a coup
or rebellion.

In recent years, the government
has tried to extend the sedition provisions of the Criminal Code or
common law with special anti-terrorism legislation, which we will look
at shortly.

Treason,
which has traditionally been a much more serious offence, is more to
do with actual attempts on the life of the Sovereign, their
representative or a Prime Minister or with helping enemies of Australia
during times of war. Treason laws have not been used in many years in
Australia and have now effectively been replaced by provisions within
anti-terrorism legislation, most especially the Criminal Code Act 1995
as amended. You can download the most current version of the Criminal Code
(in different file formats) from the Australian Attorney-General’s Department website.

Follow this link to the Parliamentary Library for a brief official history and explanation of sedition laws in Australia.

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Official secrecy laws

Many countries have official secrets legislation to stop their citizens from passing to foreign
governments secret information which could damage the country.

This could be information about their armed forces and armaments - especially nuclear -
or weapons research, such as biological warfare. It could also include
intelligence gathering at home or spying overseas. It could even cover
matters such as emergency plans in the case of a war, where the
government will seek safety or how it will feed the nation.

The problem with most official secrecy laws - and with many modern anti-terrorism laws -
is that citizens are not told what the secret is that is being protected. This
may seem like an obvious requirement, but it can cause problems for
journalists in two main areas: you may inadvertently report something
covered by office secrecy legislation and you cannot serve your duty as
the Fourth Estate by exposing wrong-doing if it is protected by secrecy
laws.

Australia does not have an Official Secrets Act as such. It has provisions under
the Crimes Act of 1914 which restrict Commonwealth public servants from revealing
confidential
information, though the courts have interpreted this as information
affecting national security or the proper running of government, not
information which is merely critical or unflattering of the government.

Individual states and territories may have legislation to prevent the disclosure of sensitive
information, though this can cover a host of issues not related to national security, such as provisions in the Northern Territory’s Sacred Sites Act of 1989 protecting certain registers.

As with sedition, of more relevance to journalists today is anti-terrorism legislation, which we will discuss shortly.

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D-notices and the ASIO Act

One way Britain and Australia tried to find a balance between the citizen’s right to
know and government’s need to protect national security was through systems such
as D-notices.

The
D-notice system is basically an agreement between representatives from
government and the media thatthey will not broadcast or publish
material which could threaten
national security. From the first
meeting of the Australian Defence Press and Broadcasting Committee in
1952 it was an advisory system and not binding on the media, though most

did comply with it.

Although
in theory D-notices could be issued whenever the Australian government
suspected a journalist was getting close to revealing an important
secret, in practice it has merely given general guidance on the types of issues which should not be published.

In
Australia today it has falleninto disuse and the last time the
committee met was in 1982. Despite suggested for some years that it
should simply be scrapped, successive
governments have ignored such calls.

The British system – which is now called the Defence Advisory or DA system - has been mostly inactive for many years.

Some countries have also enacted specific laws to protect single aspects of national security.

For
example, in Australia the ASIO Act prevents citizens – including
journalists – from revealing the identity of any employee of the
Australian Security Intelligence Agency
without written permission from the agency’s Director General. ASIO is
the intelligence organisation set up to protect Australia from foreign threats, including
spies and terrorists. There is a similar law to protect the identities or agents or staff
working for the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS).

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Electronic interception

Australia has specific laws prohibiting ordinary citizens - including journalists - from
intercepting
private messages and using them. These laws are often called
electronic interception laws but are more popularly known as
eavesdropping, wire-tapping or
bugging laws.

The
major law in Australia is the Telecommunications (Interception and
Access) Act 1979, though there have subsequently been other laws and
amendments, both federally and by
individual states.

Essentially, these laws make it an offence to secretly listen in on another
person’s conversation or communication, whether over conventional wired
networks such as telephones, telexes or computer networks or over
wireless networks, such as mobile phones or Internet. Under various
amendments to the Crimes Act of 1914 - as recently as 2004 - it is also
illegal to make, advertise, sell or possess electronic secret
surveillance devices or software without legal authority.

The same laws make it unlawful to communicate to a third party
any information obtained through secret interception. This includes
publication or broadcasting such information by journalists.

Although the 1979 act was
originally intended to protect the privacy of telecommunications, it
also legislated for the authorities to tap into private communications
in the case of threats to national security and drug trafficking. The
act required the authorities to obtain a warrant before undertaking
eavesdropping. An amendment in 2002 included activities such as
terrorism and child pornography in the realm of legally-sanctioned
interception.

Subsequent
amendments and other laws have further extended the scope of legal
eavesdropping so that nowadays electronic interception legislation has
as much to do with
giving police and security agencies legal access
to the private communications of its citizens as it has to protecting
their privacy.
At present, the Rudd Government is considering extending the laws even
further to give private companies some rights to tap into private
telecommunications - particularly over computer networks - for the
protection of 'essential infrastructure', though it has yet to define
what this means.

Civil
liberties groups are also concerned that the government is considering
legislation allowing the police or intelligence services to tap
people’s calls or bug their conversations without a warrant.

As mentioned earlier, as with many security-related laws, citizens may not be aware
of the powers government agencies have or how they use them. And there is an added
danger for journalists in that your own conversations might be tapped or bugged by
police or intelligence services, especially if you are investigating some corrupt or dishonest behaviour.

In one of the most famous stories of investigative journalism - the Washington Post’s
Watergate reports - journalists Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein often
had to use public telephones or meet contacts in underground car parks
to minimise the danger of their office or home phones being tapped or
their conversations being bugged by the authorities.

At the end of this chapter there are links you can follow for more information.

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Anti-terrorism laws

In the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks in the United States, and
following bombings in Europe and South-East Asia, many governments
around the world introduced strict anti-terrorism laws.

Although many lawyers and civil liberties organisations argued that existing
criminal laws were sufficient to deal with the new wave of terrorism, many
governments felt their security services needed new and increased powers so
they could take action in secret, without the kind of public scrutiny which
might alert the terrorists.

In the general atmosphere of fear
- created partly by terrorist attacks and partly by the new laws
themselves - many of the basic principles of human rights,
constitutional and statutory safeguards and common law were suspended.
For example, laws restricting electronic interception were amended so
police and intelligence agencies could eavesdrop on private
conversations and tap into personal communications more easily.

In many countries, the common law protections offered by habeas corpus
for hundreds of years were reduced or suspended so that security
forces could detain suspects in secret for interrogation for longer and
longer periods. In some countries laws were introduced or changed to
prevent an arrested person’s family from knowing what had happened to
them.

Provisions
protecting freedom of speech - either constitutional or implied - were
either reduced or suspended altogether so in some circumstances it is
now an offence for a
journalist even to report that people had been arrested under anti-terrorism laws.

One positive result of this flurry of legislation in Australia - apart from any effect it
might have had on preventing terrorist acts - was to clarify a number of legal issues
which had either become dubious over the years or which had not been updated to
reflect a socially, economically and technologically complex 21st Century society.

Perhaps the most significant of these developments were the numerous
amendments to the Criminal Code Act of 1995. In all, the Australian
Parliament passed 54 amending acts between 1998 and 2008, an average of
more than five a year. Most involved anti-terrorism or other national
or economic security measures, though the Act as amended also contains
sections on people smuggling, sex offences and people trafficking, theft, fraud
and several other categories of crime.

The current version of the Criminal Code Act runs to 634 pages, including schedules.
It is perhaps one of the most complex pieces of criminal legislation on the
Australian
statutes and far too involved to examine in detail here, although the
following aspects are worth noting in relation to terrorism and
national security:
<blockquote> It consolidates a number of criminal issues, including those treason, sedition and border security.
It clarifies the maximum penalties which can apply. In the case of treason this is life in prison.

It
contains a very full definition of what constitutes terrorism and
terrorists. Essentially it defines terrorism as an act or threat of an
act for a political,
religious or ideological cause which kills or harms people or damages
or interferes with property (including electronic systems) with the
purpose of intimidating a government or the public.
</blockquote> The
Criminal Code allows the Attorney-General to list as 'terrorist
organisations' groups known to have carried out terrorist attacks or
which provide practical support to terrorists. The Attorney-General’s
Department advises that, under the Criminal Code:
<blockquote> "It
[is] an offence to direct the activities, become a member, recruit
for, train or receive training from, get funds to, from or for and
provide support to a listed
terrorist organisation. It is also an
offence to associate with another person who is a member of, or who
promotes or directs the activities of, a listed terrorist organisation.
Penalties for these offences are severe, with imprisonment for up to 25
years. A person who has trained with a listed terrorist organisation
may also be subjected to a control order."
</blockquote> The Attorney-General has listed 19 groups as 'terrorist organisations'. Names and details are available at the department’s Australian National Security website, along with other information on counter-terrorism in Australia.

Obviously the laws on terrorism and assisting terrorists apply to journalists as
to every other citizen. The anti-terrorism legislation overrides
defences of privileged information and effectively strips away whatever
limited shield law protection journalists enjoy to protect their
sources, so that contact with terrorists could expose you to serious
risk of prosecution in what you do or write.

Indeed, the laws go one step further and require every citizen - including journalists - to inform the police whenever they have information about a real or suspected terrorist or about a terrorist attack, whether planned or executed.

Some common features which could affect your work under Australian anti-terrorism and national security laws include:

Restrictions on what you can write or broadcast on actual or potential acts of terrorism;
Restrictions on information available to you about terrorism, investigations or prosecutions;
Restrictions on how you can obtain information about or from terrorists or suspected terrorists;
Restrictions on traditional protections for
journalists' sources and, in some cases, making it an offence to
withhold any information from police or security forces;
Restrictions on freedom of movement for
journalists doing their work by giving police new powers to detain
people or prevent access.

Media reactions to anti-terrorism laws in Australia have varied. Some journalists and
media
organisations have enthusiastically lined up behind stricter
government controls over them while others have spoken out against
them.

As with most
laws that can affect the media, as a journalist you should know when
you are out of your depth and seek advice from more senior colleagues
or lawyers employed
or retained by your organisation. Considering
that the penalties for breaching anti-terrorism and security laws can be
very severe, it is important that you understand the dangers and make
thoughtful decisions.

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TO SUMMARISE:

National
security and anti-terrorism laws affect all citizens but there is
often secrecy about how they are applied. This can make the work of
journalists
difficult and dangerous.

Sedition
laws have fallen into disuse, but are being replaced by specific laws
on national security and terrorism. It is your task as a journalist to
know what
laws apply.

It is illegal to tap into, eavesdrop on or bug private conversations and also to use any information obtained.

Many
new security and anti-terrorism laws override some traditional
freedoms - such as habeascorpus - which journalists have taken for
granted. You may need to
rethink your attitude to many other laws in these new circumstances.

Further reading

Although
legislation is never simple or straightforward, if you want to see the
exact wording of Australian and New Zealand laws, go to the Australasian Legal Information Institute (AusLII)site
and use the Advanced Search facility to browse for acts and amendments.
Note that when amendments are made to existing laws, these are
normally all wrapped up into a consolidated act.

For critiques of laws - especially legislation which is pending – you can go to organisations such as Electronic Frontiers Australia or the Communications Law Centre.

SS8,
a commercial company providing interception services internationally,
publishes a survey on interception legislation in 31 countries on its
website at http://www.ss8.com.
Note: you are required to provide contact information before
downloading the report. The Australian Mobile Telecommunications
Association (AMTA) hosts a slightly older but unrestricted pdf version
of The Ready Guide to Intercept Legislation surveying 24 countries. Note: It is a large (1.47MB) file.

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mugglez Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:23 am

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 5a6u

What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?

lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.

That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.

You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.

You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.

ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.

Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.

Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?

The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html

Counting Backwards from Now

60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia

1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth. wave

4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!

The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe

The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.

Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.

That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted... thumbs up

true lilly Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:14 am

JAILED, BORDER AGENT WHO
LET IN 44 ILLEGALS
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There was no proof Nigerian-born Shoyeju’s crimes were motivated by money

Saturday November 26, 2011
By John Twomey

A ROGUE Border Agency official was jailed for seven years yesterday after allowing illegal immigrants to stay in Britain.

Samuel Shoyeju granted the “treasured status” of indefinite leave to remain
to at least 44 non-EU residents, none of whom had the right to be in the UK.

It left the immigrants free to claim benefits and apply for full citizenship.
Only 14 of them have been traced.

There was no proof Nigerian-born Shoyeju’s crimes were motivated by money but
thousands of pounds did enter his bank account, Basildon Crown Court heard.

Judge Christopher Mitchell told him: “Actions like yours call into question in
the public mind the entire integrity of the immigration system when, at the
present time, immigration and immigration decisions are extremely sensitive.”
Lucy Kennedy, prosecuting, said: “This case has cost the taxpayer a
significant amount of money, both in terms of the investigation and in
terms of those who remain in the country untraced.

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“This case has cost the taxpayer a
significant amount of money, both in terms of the investigation and in
terms of those who remain in the country untraced
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Lucy Kennedy, prosecuting

“He abused the system he was employed to protect and he did so for his own
selfish reasons, not out of some misguided sense of altruism. It was a breach of trust
which will no doubt undermine confidence in public servants employed to protect UK borders.”

Shoyeju, 53, of Canvey Island, Essex, worked as a line manager at
the Croydon immigration headquarters.

He amended and destroyed records to cover his tracks and used colleagues’
date stamps and accessed secure databases with other people’s sign-ons
to divert suspicion away from himself.

Shoyeju arrived in the UK in 1988
and was allowed to remain until 1991 on a student visa.

The father-of-three was granted indefinite leave to remain
after marrying a British woman and was granted full citizenship in 1996.

Joe Dugdale, of the UK Border Agency, said: “Samuel Shoyeju abused the trust placed
in him as a public servant and his sentence reflects the severity of his crimes.

“The UK Border Agency expects the highest levels of integrity and behaviour
from its staff. The vast majority of staff carry out their jobs with professionalism
and integrity.”
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Twenty police injured in nuke protest
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AP
GERMAN police say
20 policemen were injured
during clashes with protesters
ahead of the arrival of
a shipment of nuclear waste.

true lilly wrote:Nuclear waste train heads into Germany
From:AFP
November 25, 2011 9:45PM
Last Updated: November 26, 2011

THE last train carrying reprocessed nuclear waste back from France
to Germany crossed the border today after being delayed by
demonstrations and steamed towards more trouble.

The train, carrying 11 wagonloads of vitrified radioactive material,
left a siding in the station of Remilly, just outside the town of Metz
and around 30km from the German border, at 7pm (AEDT).

Several hundred French riot police had protected the train overnight, and
around 60 German officers and a French "RAID" team - a SWAT-style
special weapons squad - were on board as it resumed its journey.

The train had left a yard operated by the French nuclear giant Areva in
Valognes, in Normandy, on Wednesday, due to travel more than 1100km
across France and through Germany to the waste dump in Gorleben.

But violent anti-nuclear protests delayed its journey, and authorities
halted it overnight while trying to keep demonstrators guessing about
its eventual route across the border and back into Germany.

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Today, it finally crossed the frontier in the border town of Forbach, just south of Saarbrucken, and entered Germany.

Last November a similar controversial shipment took 91 hours to arrive at
its final destination - a day longer than planned - and it was dogged
the length of the route by French and then German protesters.

Around 50,000 activists turned out in Germany to try to disrupt the train
during that transfer, and protest organisers expect 20,000 to demonstrate
against the convoy as it nears the central town of Gorlebenlater on Friday.

Some 19,000 German officers have been deployed, and tear gas and water canon
were fired when clashes erupted overnight when a few hundred protesters tried
to block the line around 20km outside Gorleben.

Spooked by Japan's Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its
use of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice
of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.

Anti-nuclear activists want France to follow suit and shut its reactors, an idea
firmly dismissed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose government believes
French industry is reliant on cheap nuclear-generated electricity.

There has long been widespread public opposition in Germany to nuclear power,
which environmentalists believe presents an unacceptable radioactive threat
to public health and the environment.

In March, the Japanese nuclear plant at Fukushima Daiichi was hit by an earthquake
and a tsunami, triggering a meltdown and massive radiation leak - and increasing
worldwide concerns over nuclear power.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government agreed to halt German reactors by 2022,
forcing energy suppliers to close plants and levying a tax on fuel.

In the meantime, Germany will no longer send nuclear waste for
reprocessing in France, but will instead stockpile it until a way is
found to make it safe.

France produces 75 per cent of its electricity needs in nuclear plants - a
higher proportion than any other country - and its electricity bills are around
25 per cent cheaper than in its neighbours, a boon to industry.

German protesters are angry that Merkel's announced nuclear phase-out will
take another decade, and that there is still no permanent storage site for the waste generated in the country's reactors.

German mother
gives birth to gigantic baby,
names him 'Jihad'
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Mother Elfi holds her son Jihad at Charit Campus hospital in Berlin.
Picture: AP Sunday Herald Sun

AN obese German mother gave birth to a gigantic baby boy
without the help of a C-section, and named him
"Jihad."
The newborn -- the mother's 14th -- weighed in at 5.9kg
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Tourist killed, 3 kidnapped in Mali
by:By Baba Ahmed in Bamako
From:AP
November 26, 2011 6:58AM

GUNMEN burst into a restaurant
in Mali's most famous city of Timbuktu overnight,
grabbed four tourists dining there and executed one
when he refused to climb into their truck,
said a witness and an official who inspected the body.

The armed men entered the Amanar restaurant around 2.30pm on Friday
local time and pointed their guns at four tourists dining inside, said
Moussa Boubacar, a client at the restaurant.

The four followed the gunmen outside, but when the gunmen tried to
make them enter a vehicle, one of the tourists refused, Boubacar said.

The kidnappers opened fire, killing him on the spot, Boubacar said.

Their nationalities could not immediately be confirmed,
but witnesses describe them as European.

Dramane Diallo, the regional director of Timbuktu's civil protection division,
said that he rushed to the scene and found the corpse of an elderly white man,
who locals said was the tourist that had refused to enter the car.

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Until a few years ago, Timbuktu was one of the most visited
destinations in Africa, but it is now one of the many former tourist
hotspots in Mali that have been deemed too dangerous to visit by foreign
embassies because of kidnappings by the local chapter of al-Qaeda.

The incident overnight comes after two French citizens were grabbed
in the middle of the night from their hotel in the Malian town of Hombori
on Thursday.

Neither kidnapping has yet been claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
or AQIM, whose members have kidnapped and ransomed over 50 Europeans and
Canadians since 2003.

If Friday's kidnapping is by AQIM, it will mark the first time they have taken
a hostage inside of Timbuktu's city limits. Thursday's kidnapping would be
another first - the first time they have grabbed their victim south of the Niger River.

The group's footprint has grown dramatically since 2006, when the Algerian-led cell
first joined al-Qaeda. Security experts estimate the group has been able to raise around $US130 million ($134.04 million) from ransom payments alone.

The extent of the Mali Empire's peak

"One people, one goal, one faith"

An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim
(mostly Sunni and Sufi),
approximately 5% are Christian
(about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant)
and the remaining 5% adhere to
indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.

Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians,
most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.
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Opposition demands asylum-seeker vote
From:AAP
November 26, 2011 5:06PM

THE Federal Opposition has challenged the Government to recall
Parliament and attempt to pass amendments to the Migration Act.

The Government failed to get the planned amendments through
Parliament in October after the Opposition refused to support the
legislation.

The amendments, if passed, would allow the Government
to resurrect the Malaysia asylum-seeker people swap deal and restart
offshore processing.

But after Liberal MP Peter Slipper's appointment as Speaker on Thursday,
opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the Government now
had the numbers to pass the amendments.

"On Thursday of this week the government had the numbers to pass
its Migration Act amendments through the House of Representatives,"
he told reporters in Sydney today.

"And after it completed its grubby deal for the speakership it could have brought
that matter to a vote ... and secured the passage of that bill.
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"The Government must recall Parliament for them to consider
the Migration Act amendment and vote on it on Monday."

However, the Greens oppose the Bill, so it could not pass the Senate
without the support of the Opposition.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard said last month the Government remained
committed to the Malaysian solution and the amendments to allow it
would remain on the parliamentary notice paper.
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NATO air attack on Pakistan 'kills eight'
From:AFP
November 26, 2011
5:53PM

NATO helicopters from Afghanistan
carried out an "unprovoked" attack
on a Pakistani border post,
killing at least eight troops today,
the military said.

"ISAF/NATO helicopters carried out unprovoked and indiscriminate
firing on a Pakistani checkpost in Mohmand agency last night.
Casualties have been reported. However details are coming,"
a military spokesman said.

Security officials in the Mohmand tribal region near the Afghan border and
a military official in Peshawar said eight troops including a major were killed
in the pre-dawn incident.

They said the attack took place on the Sala checkpost in the Baizai district of
the rugged tribal terrain.
"The firing left seven soldiers and one major dead," a local intelligence official said.

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A paramilitary and another security official confirmed the casualties.

In Kabul a spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force
(ISAF) told AFP: "We are aware that an incident did take place. We are
still in the process of gathering information".

Washington considers the tribal belt a hotbed of Al-Qaeda, where Taliban and
other militants plot attacks on American troops -- including those in the US-led
international force based in Afghanistan.
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Egypt protesters reject new PM
by:By Sarah Benhaida
From:AFP
November 26, 2011
4:10PM

TENS of thousands of demonstrators
have packed Cairo's Tahrir Square
after days of deadly clashes,
demanding the military rulers step down
and rejecting their choice of new Prime Minister.

Ahead of elections due to start on Monday despite the political turmoil,
Egypt's Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) tasked Kamal al-Ganzuri, 78,
a premier under ousted president Hosni Mubarak, to head a new cabinet.

"Previous cabinets over the past 60 years were given many powers by the president
of the republic," Mr Ganzuri told reporters in his first public statement
after his appointment.

He had been granted "much more powers" than past premiers, said Mr Ganzuri,
who served as Mubarak's prime minister between 1996 and 1999.

In a later television address, Mr Ganzuri said he would formalise his government
"before the end of next week" and would allocate some portfolios to younger people.

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But protesters in the square quickly rejected his appointment,
saying he was not the man to lead a transition to democracy.

"We do not want someone who has been selected by the military council.
We want a civilian who was with us in Tahrir during the revolution,
someone who has the confidence of the people," said one protester,
Omar Abdel Mansur.

Hundreds of demonstrators in the square branched off to the nearby cabinet offices
to block Ganzuri from entering the building, chanting "revolution" and
"Ganzuri is a former regime leftover".

"The youth of Tahrir had proposed (several) names. None of them were chosen.
We have the feeling nothing has changed" since a popular uprising ousted Mubarak
in February, said Mohammed Khattab, 30.

"Our mistake in the (January-February) revolution was
to think that we had only to topple Mubarak."

The protesters proposed a list of presidential candidates to form a
civilian leadership council, including former UN nuclear watchdog chief
Mohamed ElBaradei, a prominent dissident during Mubarak's rule.

They were bolstered earlier by an announcement that the grand imam of
Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's highest authority, had thrown his weight behind them.

"The grand imam (Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayyeb) backs you and is praying for your
victory," senior aide Hassan Shafie told them during a visit to the square, focus of
huge protests first against Mubarak and now the army.

Sheikh Mazhar Shahin, an imam who led tens of thousands of worshippers in prayer
at the square, said the protesters would stay there until their demands were met.

He called for a national salvation government with presidential powers.

ElBaradei, whose name has been widely touted to be part of a new salvation
government, also joined the protesters in the square on Friday.

But the Tahrir protest was countered by a rival demonstration in a square
about 3km away, where more than 10,000 people gathered to show support
for the military.

"Down with Tahrir" and "Yes to the military council", they chanted.
"I joined the protests against the former regime," said one of the protesters,
Mohammed Abdelhamid. "But the people in Tahrir today don't represent all Egyptians."

The rallies came three days before the first parliamentary elections
since Mubarak's ouster in February, which left the military in charge.

The military announced on Friday that voting would take place over two days,
instead of one, in each of the election's three rounds.

Washington, a close ally of Egypt, called for a quick transfer to civilian rule.

"The United States strongly believes that the new Egyptian government must
be empowered with real authority immediately," White House press secretary
Jay Carney said in a statement.

UN leader Ban Ki-moon renewed calls for the military rulers to ensure
a "peaceful transition"after talks by telephone with Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi,
the head of Egypt's military council.

"The secretary-general remains deeply concerned by the violence in Egypt
over the last few days," Ban's spokesman Martin Nesirky said in New York.

"He deplores the loss of life and the high number of injured.
"He reiterates his call for the transitional authorities to guarantee the
protection of human rights and civil liberties for all Egyptians."

On Tuesday, the SCAF accepted the resignation of the caretaker cabinet
headed by the once-popular Essam Sharaf, whose fall from grace was due
to his perceived weakness in the face of the army.

The violence, in which at least 41 protesters have been killed - 36 of them in Cairo -
and more than 3000 injured since Saturday, was cited as one of the factors that led to
the cabinet's resignation.

The SCAF has said repeatedly that it does not have political ambitions and plans
to hand power to an elected civilian authority after presidential elections set
to take place no later than the end of June 2012.

But it has also insisted it will not bow to pressure from the protesters in
Tahrir, saying they do not represent the whole country.
_________________________________________________________________

Opposition concedes defeat in NZ election
From:AFP
November 26, 20119:19PM

OPPOSITION leader Phil Goff conceded defeat
in the New Zealand election Saturday
admitting his centre-left Labour Party
could not form a government.

Projections with vote counting nearly completed indicated Prime
Minister John Key's centre-right National Party has the numbers to form a
new government with support from minor parties ACT and United Future.

"I rang John Key and I wished him well for the next three years because we
are all New Zealanders and want to see our country do well," he told a gathering
of Labour Party supporters.

"The people have made their decision and we treat their decision
with humility and respect.

Mr Goff took over the leadership of the party after former Labour Prime
Minister Helen Clark was routed by Key at the last election in 2008
after nine years in power.

Ms Clark stood down immediately after the last election but Mr Goff said
that while he had made a decision on his political future he was not prepared
to make it public at this stage.

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Paul Twomey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Paul Twomey 2007

Paul Twomey
was the Chief Executive Officer and President of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) from March 2003 to June 2009.
ICANN is the chief rule-making body
for internet policy worldwide.

Following a private-sector role as a consultant for McKinsey & Company,
Dr Twomey held executive positions within the Australian Government's
foreign trade organisation Austrade. His role there included working on
strategic development and European markets.
He was appointed Chief Executive Officer of the
National Office for the Information Economy (NOIE) in 1997,
a Commonwealth Government unit responsible for developing Internet policy.

His involvement with ICANN began at this time.
Subsequently he chaired the ICANN Government Advisory Committee,^[1]
which served as the organisation's liaison with world governments.
Following his departure from NOIE, Dr Twomey created a consultancy
with Ira Magaziner
(Domestic Policy Adviser to former US President Bill Clinton)
called Argo P@cific.^[2] He continued to serve on the ICANN GAC until November 2002,
through an ongoing posting as external advisor to
Australia's Commonwealth Government.

Dr Twomey is a member of the British-North American Committee.

He also serves on the board of directors of the
Atlantic Council of the United States
and chairs the World Economic Forum's
Global Agenda Council on the Future of the Internet.

He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from University of Queensland,
a Master of Arts from Pennsylvania State University
and a PhD from Cambridge University.

On 27 March 2003 he was elected to his current position at ICANN.

On 2 March 2009, during the opening ceremony of
ICANN's 34th international meeting in Mexico City,
Dr Twomey mentioned that he would be leaving ICANN in June
while remaining as Senior President until the end of the year.^[3]

His name has recently been mentioned in relation to
the Commonwealth Government's proposed National Broadband Network.

MoMo Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:28 am

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There is very little doubt in anyone's mind about the reality of so many of the Old and New Testament cities mentioned in the Bible. Therefore, it is hardly necessary to document their existence. Nevertheless, following is a partial list of some of the cities mentioned in the Bible that have been found and excavated by archaeologists. This is simply more evidence that the Bible describes actual locations that can be verified. This means that at the very least, the Bible accurately reflects the locations and cities of ancient times.

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1.Arad
A.Num. 21:1, "When the Canaanite, the king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that Israel was coming by the way of Atharim, then he fought against Israel, and took some of them captive."
B.Num. 33:40, "Now the Canaanite, the king of Arad who lived in the Negev in the land of Canaan, heard of the coming of the sons of Israel."
i."Arad 30 km NE of Beersheba, excavated from 1962 to 1974 by Y. Aharoni and R. B. K. Amiran."1
ii."The site consists of an upper mound or acropolis, where excavation has revealed an Iron Age (post thirteenth century B.C.)."2
iii.The remains of a Hebrew temple were uncovered at Arad.3
2.Bethel
A.Amos 7:12-13, "Then Amaziah said to Amos, "Go, you seer, flee away to the land of Judah, and there eat bread and there do your prophesying! 13 "But no longer prophesy at Bethel, for it is a sanctuary of the king and a royal residence."
i."W. F. Albright made a trial excavation at Bethel in 1927. Albright then mounted a full excavation in 1934. His assistant that year, J. L. Kelso, continued the excavation in 1954, 1957, and 1960."4
3.Capernaum
A.Matt. 17:24, "And when they had come to Capernaum, those who collected the two-drachma tax came to Peter, and said, "Does your teacher not pay the two-drachma tax?"
i."Identified since 1856 with Tell Hum, Capernaum has been sporadically excavated for the past 130 years."5
4.Chorazin
A.Matt. 11:21, "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes."
i."Excavations of the now deserted town indicate that it once covered an area of twelve acres and was built on a series of terraces with the basalt stone local to this mountainous region."6
5.Dan
A.Judges 18:29, "And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father who was born in Israel; however, the name of the city formerly was Laish."
i."The excavation of Dan began in 1966 under the direction fo Avraham Biran."7
ii."Formerly called Laish, it is mentioned in the execration texts, the eighteenth-century b.c. Mari tablets, and the records of the Egyptian pharaoh Thutmose III. It is identified with Tel Dan (modern Tell el-Qadi) covering about 50 acres in the center of a fertile valley near one of the principal springs feeding the Jordan River...Tel Dan has been excavated by A. Biran since 1966. The earliest occupation, probably the full extent of the tell, goes back to about the middle of the third millennium B.C."8
6.Ephesus
A.Eph. 1:1, "Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are at Ephesus, and who are faithful in Christ Jesus."
i."Austrian archaeologists in this century [2oth] have excavated the 24,000-seat theater and the commercial agora, as well as many other public buildings and streets of the first and second centuries a.d., so that the modern visitor can gain some impression of the city as known by Paul.9
7.Gaza
A.Acts 8:26, "But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, "Arise and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza."
i.Gaza was was excavated by W. J. Phythian-Adams in 1922.10
8.Gezer
A.Joshua 16:10, "But they did not drive out the Canaanites who lived in Gezer..."
i.R.A.S. MacAlister "directed the Palestine Exploration Fund for many years and conducted extensive excavations at Gezer (1902–1909)."11
9.Hazor
A.Joshua 11:1, "Then it came about, when Jabin king of Hazor heard of it, that he sent to Jobab king of Madon and to the king of Shimron and to the king of Achshaph."
B.Jer. 49:28, "Concerning Kedar and the kingdoms of Hazor, which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon defeated. Thus says the Lord, "Arise, go up to Kedar and devastate the men of the east."
i."This large Canaanite and Israelite city in upper Galilee was excavated under Yigael Yadin's direction from 1955 to 1958 and from 1968 to 1970."12
10.Hesbon
A.Josh. 12:2, "Sihon king of the Amorites, who lived in Heshbon, and ruled from Aroer, which is on the edge of the valley of the Arnon..."
i.Excavations were undertaken by Andrews University from 1968 to 1976.13
11.Jericho
A.Num. 22:1, "Then the sons of Israel journeyed, and camped in the plains of Moab beyond the Jordan opposite Jericho."
B.
i."Jericho was the oldest inhabited and fortified city ever excavated."14
ii."The city of OT times is represented today by a mound 70 feet high and 10 acres in area...The ancient city was excavated by C. Warren (1867), E. Sellin and C. Watzinger (1907-09), J. Garstang (1930-36), and K. Kenyon (1952-58)."15
iii."The first scientific excavation there (1907-9) was by Sellin and Watzinger (Jericho, 1913)."16
12.Joppa
A.Acts 9:38,"And since Lydda was near Joppa, the disciples, having heard that Peter was there, sent two men to him, entreating him, "Do not delay to come to us."
i."During excavations of the site of ancient Joppa a thirteenth-century b.c. citadel gate was uncovered...."17
13.Nineveh
A.2 Kings 19:36, "So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed and returned home, and lived at Nineveh."
B.Jonah 1:1-2, "The word of the Lord came to Jonah the son of Amittai saying, 2 "Arise, go to Nineveh the great city, and cry against it, for their wickedness has come up before Me."
i.Excavated in from 1845 to 1857 by Austen H. Layard.18
14.Shechem
A.Gen. 12:6, "And Abram passed through the land as far as the site of Shechem, to the oak of Moreh. Now the Canaanite was then in the land."
B.Gen. 33:18, "Now Jacob came safely to the city of Shechem, which is in the land of Canaan, when he came from Paddan-aram, and camped before the city."
i."Excavations were carried out at Shechem, first by Austrian-German expeditions in 1913 and 1914, and again from 1926 to 1934, under several directors, and then by an American expedition from 1956 to 1972....Excavation of the sacred area revealed a courtyard sanctuary and a later fortress temple dedicated to El-berith "the god of the covenant." This temple, which was destroyed by Abimelech, the son of the judge Gideon (Judges 9) has provided us with a date of the judges period."19
ii.Most recently a structure identified as an Israelite altar has been excavated on the northeastern slope of Mt. Ebal. Dating to the 13th to 12th centuries B.C., considered to be the time of Joshua, the altar suggest the possibility that it may be the altar built by Joshua and described in Deuteronomy 27, 28."20
15.Susa
A.Neh. 1:1, "The words of Nehemiah the son of Hacaliah. Now it happened in the month Chislev, in the twentieth year, while I was in Susa the capitol,
B.Esther 1:1-2, "Now it took place in the days of Ahasuerus, the Ahasuerus who reigned from India to Ethiopia over 127 provinces, 2 in those days as King Ahasuerus sat on his royal throne which was in Susa the capital,
i.Escavations were conducted by Marcel Dieulafoy from 1884 to 1886.21
There is very little doubt in anyone's mind about the reality of so many of the Old and New Testament cities mentioned in the Bible. Therefore it is hardly necessary to document their existence. Nevertheless, following is a partial list of some of the cities mentioned in the Bible that have been found and excavated by archaeologists. This is simply more evidence that the Bible describes actual locations that can be verified. This means that at the very least, the Bible accurately reflects the locations and cities of ancient times.

Europe is larger then Australia, got more of everything. thumbs up

Asia (plus the Middle East) 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) 30.0%
Africa 11,608,000 Sq. Miles (30,065,000 Sq. Km) 20.3%
North America 9,365,000 Sq. Miles (24,256,000 Sq. Km) 16.3%
South America 6,880,000 Sq. Miles (17,819,000 Sq. Km) 12.0%
Antarctica 5,100,000 Sq. Miles (13,209,000 Sq. Km) 8.9%
Europe 3,837,000 Sq. Miles (9,938,000 Sq. Km) 6.7%
Australia (plus Oceania) 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) 5.2%

Australia is the Runt Continent, the smallest. thumbs up

lillywilly...... wave

did you know Europe includes Russia east to the Ural mountains? cheers

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Europe

try to overlay that on your map of Australia, the Runt Continent, and the entirety of Australia would be obscured. thumbs up

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Map_of_australia

Notice: North America is 3 times larger then Australia, it's like you have penis envy lillywilly. rolf

true lilly wrote:Did you know you didn't even get close to countering
what God described from the beginning, and I have
shown to be so, for years...rhetorical...I know you do,
but hey...you just have to keep 'peddling'...or you fall
DOWN...before you are CUT down.

IN FACT,
SHOW ME ANYWHERE IN THAT TERRITORY
WHERE YOU CAN FIT, 5 TO 10%
OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION!

I CAN SHOW YOU ONE WHERE YOU CAN,
and UNlike ALL other land masses, NOT
littered with Earthquakes and Volcanoes![/b]

The sad thing is, that thinking folk know you are not arguing with me
(you fought and lost that war years ago), but are desperately trying to
stop others seeing the reality of the whole real world, from the beginning,
as God described it, lest they also see that No Land Can SAVE anyone,
but God exists and HE DOES, Preserve and SAVE, as He Promised.[/color]

gibberish.....gibberish..........gibberish..etcetera.... etcetera.... etcetera.... etcetera.... etcetera.... etcetera....

FIRST: Where was the first alphabet formed, the means of communication that YHWH used to communicate to humankind? The Siani Desert. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Sinaitic_alphabet

Proto-Sinaitic, also known as Proto-Canaanite, was the first consonantal alphabet. Even a quick and cursory glance at its inventory of signs makes this script's Egyptian origin very apparent.[citation needed] Originally it was thought that at round 1700 BCE, Sinai was conquered by Egypt, and the local West-Semitic population were influenced by Egyptian culture and adopted a small number of hieroglyphic signs (about 30) to write their own language. However, recent discoveries in Egypt itself have compounded this scenario. Inscriptions dating to 1900 BCE written in what appears to be Proto-Sinaitic were found in Upper Egypt, and nearby Egyptian texts speak of the presence of Semitic-speaking people living in Egypt
ALL the worlds population-6/7,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo peeps would fit in a landmass the size of Rhode Island or Delaware....there are 1.5 million people per square mile in Mumbai. Regardless, all the worlds people don't have to be in one place. I've refuted your 'theory/hypothesis.....1,000 times..........You calll YHWH and Yahshua/jesus liars.

You're an Antisemitic NeoNazi. you curse israel. 12 And YHWH said to Abram, “Go yourself outh of your land, from your relatives and from your father’s house, to a land which I show you. 2“And I shall make you a great nation, and bless you and make your name great, and you shall be a blessing! 3“And I shall bless those who bless you, and curse him who curses you. And in you all the clans of the earth shall be blessed.”

There is written History aqnd archaeological Artifacts that refute your nonsense.

Zion is/in Israel. Yerushalayim/Jerusalem is the Capital. thumbs up

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

that it is after all possible to conceive of a first century Jew credibly coming to believe that he was called to die for the sins of Israel, and perhaps even of the world. Also he admits it is possible to conceive of a first century Jew credibly coming to believe that he was called to do and be what, in scripture, only YHWH, Israel’s God, gets to do and to be.......................The Jews believed in a quite different “god.” This god, YHWH, “the One Who Is,” the Sovereign One, was not simply the objectification of forces and drives within the world, but was the maker of all that exists. Several biblical books, or parts thereof, are devoted to exploring the difference between YHWH and the pagan idols: Daniel, Isaiah 40-55, and a good many Psalms spring obviously to mind. The theme is summed up in the Jewish daily prayer: “YHWH our God, YHWH is one!”[10]

..............Since, the early Christians all regarded Jesus as the Messiah of Israel, the one in whom Israel’s destiny had been summed up............But it is not merely a NT dogma that Jesus brings the story of Israel to its climax, and so becomes the instrument of God’s long-promised salvation. Israel’s story is not a notion, floating two miles in the sky above the Palestine of Jesus’ day. Israel’s story was the real flesh-and-blood, wars-and-rumours-of-wars story of the Maccabees and the Herodians, of Judas the Galilean, Simon bar Giona, of the Jewish War, of Josephus, of a hundred kingdom movements and a hundred thousand crosses planted around Jerusalem. This was the story, the warts-and-all story, that Jesus of Nazareth brought to its god-ordained climax. If we want to know the truth of the salvation which he wrought, that is where we must look for it and not somewhere else. ...................I have argued elsewhere that a central feature of Jewish expectation, and kingdom expectation at that, in Jesus’ time was the hope that YHWH would return in person to Zion. Having abandoned Jerusalem at the time of the exile, his return was delayed, but he would come back at last. .......................And Jesus seems to have believed it about himself. The language was deeply coded, but the symbolic action was not. He was coming to Zion, doing what YHWH had promised to do. He explained his action with riddles all pointing in the same direction. Recognize this, and you start to see it all over the place, especially in parables and actions whose other layers have preoccupied us. Why, after all, does Jesus tell a story about a yearning father in order to account for his own behavior?[36] It is this that also accounts for his sovereign attitude to Torah, his speaking on behalf of Wisdom, and his announcement of forgiveness of sins.[37] By themselves none of these would be conclusive. Even if they are allowed to stand as words and actions of Jesus, they remain cryptic. But predicate them of the same young man who is then on his way to Jerusalem to confront the powers that be with the message and the action of the kingdom of God and who tells stories as he does which are best interpreted as stories of YHWH returning to Zion, then you have reached. I believe, the deep heart of Jesus’ own sense of vocation. He believed himself called to do and be what in the scriptures only Israel’s God did and was.

............................What are we therefore saying about the earthly Jesus? In Jesus himself, I suggest we see the biblical portrait of YHWH come to life: the loving God, rolling up his sleeves (Isa 52:10) to do in person the job that no one else could do, the creator God giving new life the God who works through his created world and supremely through his human creatures, the faithful God dwelling in the midst of his people, the stern and tender God relentlessly opposed to all that destroys or distorts the good creation, and especially human beings, but recklessly loving all those in need and distress. “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd; he shall carry the lambs in his arms; and gently lead those that are with young” (Isa 40:11). It is the OT portrait of YHWH, but it fits Jesus like a glove. ............

lillywilly, this is why I repeatedly ask you if you are able to conprehend the following data. Put a cork in your conspiralunacy and answer intelligently, if you can.

Do you comprehend the following?
it is Pro ALL Humankind, Pro ALL the earth. thumbs up

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time." cheers

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of Yahweh play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Three Revolutionary Innovations in Human History took place.

1: Monotheism

2:Universal Codified Law

3: An Aleph/Bet 1,800 BCE

Monotheism rather then Polytheism, Rule of Law for All rather then the Divine Rights of Kings or Queens and an Aleph/Bet, less then thirty characters that replaced Iconographs/Ideograms and Hieroglyphs, enhancin Literacy amongst the masses.

The abstraction of all these innovations were mutually reinforcing.

Yahweh proclaimed that there exists a Codex of morality that stands above Human intercourse.

The 10 Commandments applied universally to everyone. no King, Pharoah, or Potentate was above the Law.

Refutes the rubric that 'Might makes Right'.

Yahweh expected all His Chosen peeps TO READ what He inspired to be written.

The Pentateuch is the oldest Book written in an Aleph/Bet-Alpha/Bet. Prior books were written in Cuneiform, Hierglyphs etc......

Yahweh forbade anyone from visualising Him. No Images. No Idolatry.

He sanctioned only the written word.

This promulgates equality and openness.

An overarching Theme of the Pentateuch, and ensuing Books of the Bible is: Justice for all.

A distinguishing feature of the Pentateuch from other belief systems of the Time is its dominating Theme of: Righteousness,

Living a pious life and obeying written law was/is more important than winning Battles, honouring the King, or sacrificing to a local god.

Justice for all was a unique community standard in an era when the dominant principle was a raised and clenched fist.

Due to the Concept/Principle of Right Living, a unique type of leader arose amongst the Israelites: The Prophet.

Biblical Prophets; seemingly self-appointed, claiming to receive Testable Signals from Yahweh; witnessed and criticized Israeli behaviour;
confronting the peeps baser urges.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Prophets were usually not Royalty, heroes, warriors, they were commen men who railed against injustice and impiety. Constantly upbraiding/Chastizing/Rebuking Israelites; reminding them that Yahweh cared only that his people lived in Truth.

Prophets did not achieve their position by Birthright, appointment or election, they were Inspired and Just.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Exodus begins with the people shackled slaves.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, Yahweh 'Chose' the people rather then the people choosing their god.

From Rabbi Greenbergs book, 'For the Sake of Heaven & Earth.
Jews and Xns are redicovering 'The Image of Yah' in each other, after a coupla millenia of discord and animus.

This rediscovery allows each to uncover and affirm each others role in the Divine Plan. The Kingdom of Yahweh is advanced and comes closer.

'You are my witnesses says Yahweh' Isaiah 43:10

The People of Israel are Yahwehs Servants, 'Chosen' to witness to the loving Creator and the Divine Plan for Humanity and the Cosmos.

The People of Israel = not just the Israelis, or Jews, but to all who affirm that Yahweh has made a valid Covenant with Abraham and his descendants and all who take up the task of World Redemption so that the covenant can be fulfilled.

For that is the purpose of making the covenant.

Xns and Muslims are recognized as Abrahams children when they purge themselves of Supersessionist claims and hatred of Jews.

To be True to its Witness, the People of Israel tell 3 Stories to the World, the rest of Humanity, in the presence of Yahweh and in the presence of their fellow Humans.

1: They tell the Story of Creation, the Divine Vision of an intended perfect World. Jew & Xn stake their existence that this World will come to be.

2: The Story of the Covenant, the process operating between a Divine-Human partnership whereby our imperfect World will be brought back to that state of Perfection.

3: The Story of Redemption-sometimes called: 'The End of Days'-'The Messiah Story'-which is the culmination and realization of the process.

At the end, Holistic perfection will be achieved.

Peace between Humans.

Between Humans and all the rest of Life, between all Life and Nature itself, and between all of the above and Yahweh.

Three Stories add up to one comprehensive Story: The Triumph of Life

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over allits enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of lifes capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Xns.

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is Yahweh-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* Yahweh, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: Yahweh.

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of Yah'

* This emergence of "The Image of Yah" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Xns.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of Yahs' Consciousness is so much like Yahwehs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, The Human 'Image of Yah' has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* Yahweh has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of Yah', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that Yahwehs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Xns alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.

* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of Yahweh' brings with it more Yahweh like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of Yahweh'; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rightts, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh

The Siani Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.

The Torah is the first, and oldest Book written in an Alphabet/Alephbet ........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemisphereical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential.the ground for Theoretical Science.....

An Alphabet=less then 30 abstract images.......enabled universal literacy and numerancy.

Egyptians/Sumerians, Ugarits only produced 2% Literacy, among the Royalty and Priesthoods.

As Yahshua Messiah said-"This is The Way'.

Yo!!!! Suzy Woo Woo, clue me up how lying about Gods Book is 'getting right' with Him, or for that matter, gossiping and judging and cursing others is 'getting right' with Him?

You, propose, without any credentials or prerequisite education in Hebrew, that you are able to interpret the Jews Sacred Hebrew scriptures better, more accurately; then ALL the Rabbis/Teachers and credentialed Biblical Scholars on Planet Earth and make the preposterous, unsupported claim that the Hebrew word Mizraim does not mean Egypt, or that the Hebrews did not sojourn from Egypt, through the Sinai into Canaan/Israel.

You're Hubris is so gargantuan you use a Language you do not know: Hebrew, and attempt to write the Jews and Israel out of their own Book.......your Hubris is of monumental size. You claim the Torah is 'done away' with and then proceed to reinterpret it.

Explain that. thumbs up

I proved you were wrong about your False Doctrine of Church replacement of the Jews and Israel Theology.

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

I proved you wrong about your False Theology that Yahshua/Jesus and the Apostles 'did away' with YHWHs Torah/Instruction.

http://www.yrm.org/yah_p_law.htm

Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods in My presence..."
This commandment is to be aware that the God of Israel exists absolutely and influences all events in the world[23][dead link] and that the goal of the redemption from Egypt was to become His servants (Rashi). It requires the acknowledgment of the single God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the denial of the existence of false gods (Rashi)

Yahshua said (Matthew 23:37-40) “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang (hinge) all the law and the prophets.”

The whole point of Human existence is to learn and practice the SEcond Commandment that Yahshua declares...........Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ........so far you are failing miserably............. thumbs up

...........gossiping, judging, fearmongering, bearing false witness...........time to shape up and fly right Suzy Woo Woo............... thumbs up

Time to stand Toe to Toe like you falsely claim you do......support your False Teachings.................you extract Scripture from it context to twist it to fit your bias, Noah was 10 Generations AFTER Adam, long after the continents divided, Peleg was 5 Generations after Noah, the verse you twist to claim it is about the Continents Dividing means no such thing...it is in relation to the Tower of Babylon incident when YHWH confused the tongues of Humankind and dispersed them to the far corners of the Earth.........the whole icident is about the Hubris of humans, something you should, but don't recognize....read/study the following Documents. thumbs up

Studies in the Book of Genesis Part 1:
The Curse of Canaan
Allen P. Ross

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross_CurseOfCanaan_BSac.pdf

Genesis, the book of beginnings, is primarily concerned with
tracing the development of God's program of blessing. The bless-
ing is pronounced on God's creation, but sin (with its subsequent
curse) brought deterioration and decay. After the Flood there is a
new beginning with a renewal of the decrees of blessing, but once
again corruption and rebellion leave the human race alienated
and scattered across the face of the earth. Against this backdrop
God began His program of blessing again, promising blessing to
those obedient in faith and cursing to those who rebel. The rest of
the book explains how this blessing developed: God's chosen
people would become a great nation and inherit the land of Ca-
aan. So throughout Genesis the motifs of blessing and cursing
occur again and again in connection with those who are chosen
and those who are not......................The purpose of this section in Genesis, then, is to portray the
characteristics of the three branches of the human race in rela-
tion to blessing and cursing. In pronouncing the oracle, Noah
discerned the traits of his sons and, in a moment of insight,
determined that the attributes of their descendants were em-
bodied in their personalities.2 Because these sons were pri-
mogenitors of the families of the earth, the narrator is more
interested in the greater meaning of the oracle with respect to
tribes and nations in his day than with the children of Shem,
Ham, and Japheth.3
Shem, the ancestor of the Shemites to whom the Hebrews
belonged, acted in good taste and was blessed with the possession
of the knowledge of the true God, Yahweh. Japheth, the ancestor
of the far-flung northern tribes which include the Hellenic
peoples,4 also acted properly and thus shared in the blessing of
Shem and was promised geographical expansion. In contrast,
Ham, represented most clearly to Israel by the Egyptians and
Canaanites, acted wrongly in violating sexual customs regarded
as sacred and as a result had one line of his descendants cursed
with subjugation.5
So the oracle of Noah, far from being concerned simply with
the fortunes of the immediate family, actually pertains to vast
movements of ancient peoples...................Canaan, then, is the prototype of the population that suc-
cumbed to enervating influences and was doomed by its vices to
enslavement at the hands of hardier and more virtuous races.52
Because Ham, the "father" of Canaan, had desecrated the honor
of his father by seeing his uncovered nakedness, this divine and
prophetic oracle is pronounced on the people who would be
known for their immorality in a shameful way, a trait discernible
in this little story in the history of beginnings.
The blessing aspect is given to Shem, but the wording is
unexpected: "Blessed be the LORD [Yahweh], the God of Shem."
The emphasis on the possession of God by his name is
strengthened in this line in a subtle way. Delitzsch says, "Yahweh
makes himself a name in becoming the God of Shem, and thus
entwines His name with that of Shem, which means ‘name.’53
By blessing one's God, the man himself is blessed. The idea is
that Shem will ascribe his good fortune to Yahweh his God, for his
advantage is not personal merit; his portion is Yahweh.54 The
great line of blessing will be continued through Shem from Noah
to Abram, the man of promise.
Here again, however, the point of the oracle looks to the
descendants. It would then be clear to Israel, who found them-
selves in such a personal, covenantal relationship with Yahweh,
that they were the heirs of this blessing..........

4Unfortunately Part 2 I have not found on the 'Net, for free ($50).....here are Parts 3 & 4

Who is this 'god' you serve? It can't be YHWH. You know nothing of Him or His Plan for humankind.

Studies in the Book of Genesis Part 3:
The Table of Nations in
Genesis 10--Its Content
Allen P. Ross
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.htm

THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)

More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of

Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,

Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-

Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine

respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both

places and tribes.

Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to

Africa. The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is

used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.

Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In

antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern

flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it

served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the

Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the

African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.

Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost

ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt...................Mizraim developed

into tribes. From the Egyptians sprang the Ludim, a group of

African tribes west of the Delta;36 the Anamim, in the vicinity of

Cyrene;37 the Lehabim, the Libyans on the north African shore

(Nah. 3:9 and Dan. 11:43); the Naphtuhim, the people of the

Delta (Lower Egypt); the Pathrusim, the people of Upper Egypt;38

the Casluhim, the people who dwelt east of the Delta between

Egypt and Canaan;39 and the Caphtorim, the Cretans.40

The clause "from whence come the Philistines" is problem-

atic because of its position in the text. Scripture connects the

origin of the Philistines with Caphtor (Amos 9:7; Deut. 2:23;

Jer. 47:4), but the Caphtorim, the Cretans, come after this

clause. While some have suggested rearranging the clauses, it

may not be necessary. The clause in the Table suggests migration

and not lineage. Amos has the Philistines from Caphtor in the

same sense that Israel was from Egypt--migration and not

origination.41 The difficulty may be solved by looking at their

origin and their migration from the Aegean bases through Caph-

tor into the Delta and finally into Palestine.

.................................That the promised land is central to the Table can be seen

from the arrangement of the descendants. The Japhethites are

spread from east to west across the northern frontier; the Ham-

ites surround the land from south to west; and the Shemites are

traced from the eastern to the southern borders of the land.

Moreover, the preoccupation with the Canaanites in the land of

promise shows the concern of the writer to fit the Table to the

message of the book: the fulfillment of God's promise to bless

Israel as a nation in that land, and to bless those nations that

bless her, and curse those who are antagonistic to her.

The Table then deliberately selected these tribes and traced

their development.
...............................The passage then refers to the developing line from Arpach-shad, using the form through Shelah to Eber. One of Eber's

sons is Peleg, in whose days the earth was divided (probably

referring to the division of nations at Babel 52). Once the Table

mentions Peleg, it traces his line no further. .................According to Genesis, the new nation of Israel was to be

blessed as God's people in the land of Canaan. God's plan to bless

Israel involved the movement, displacement, and subjugation of

other peoples. The oracle of Noah in Genesis 9 anticipated the

blessing for Shem, along with Japheth, and the cursing of Ca-

naan, a son of Ham. This Table in Genesis 10 gives direction to

that oracle. It presents the lines of Shem and Japheth as pure

tribal groups around the promised land; it also presents the old

block of Hamites, especially the mixed races in the land of Ca-

naan, as the predominant powers on the earth
........................ wave

Studies in the Book of Genesis
Part 4:
The Dispersion of the
Nations in Genesis 11:1-9
Allen P. Ross
Introduction to the Passage

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-DispersionGn11-BSac.pdf

THE NATURE OF THE ACCOUNT
The narrative in Genesis 11:1-9 describes the divine inter-
vention among the human family to scatter them across the face
of the earth by means of striking at the :heart of their unity- their
language. A quick reading of the passage shows that the pre-
dominant idea is not the tower of Babel but this scattering.
If the point is not simply the tower, then this passage does not
present, as some have suggested, a Hebrew adaptation of the
Greek Titans storming heaven to dislodge God. Rather, the char-
acteristics of the people in this story are anxiety and pride
through their own gregariousness.1 The tower, on the one hand,
is born from the people's fear of being scattered across the earth;
and on the other hand it is an attempt to frustrate God's plan to
fill the earth (Gen. 9:1).
The sin. Since the story has the trappings of a judgment
narrative in which Yahweh interrupts mankind's misguided
activities and scatters them abroad, it may be assumed that the
antithesis of this scattering must be the sin. The major error was
not the building of a city, but the attempt of the race to live in one
City.2 Therefore it appears that the human family was striving for
unity, security, and social immortality (making a name) in de-
fiance of God's desire for them to fill the earth.
Divine punishment. It is important to keep in mind that the
"judgment" was not the destruction of the city but of the language that united the people. It was shattered into a multiplicity
of languages so that the common bond was destroyed.3 Thus the
text is demonstrating that the present number of languages that
form national barriers is a monument to sin.....................So it is with this story that the common history of all man-
kind comes to an abrupt end, which leaves the human race
hopelessly scattered across the face of the entire earth. It is this
that makes the present narrative so different from those preced-
ing it: In each judgment there was a gracious provision for hope
but in this judgment there is none. It does not offer a token of
grace, a promise of any blessing, a hope of salvation, or a way of
escape. There is no clothing for the naked sinner, no protective
mark for the fugitive, no rainbow in the dark sky. There is no ray
of hope. The primeval age ends with judgmental scattering and
complete confusion. The blessing is not here; the world must
await the new history.
In view of this, the story of the scattering of the nations is
actually the turning point of the book from primeval history to
the history of the blessing. From this very confused and dis-
persed situation nations would develop in utter futility until God
would make a great nation through one man who himself would
be "scattered" from this alluvial plain to the land of Canaan. The
blessings of final redemption and unification would come
through his seed.........................Irony is seen in the beginning and the ending of this pas-
sage. The group at Babel began as the whole earth (11:1), but
now they were spread over the whole earth (11:9). By this the
lesson is clarified: God's purpose will be accomplished in spite of
the arrogance and defiance of man's own purposes. He brings
down the proud, but exalts the faithful.
The significance of this little story is great. It explains to
God's people how the nations were scattered abroad. Yet the
import goes much deeper. The fact that it was Babylon, the
beginning of kingdoms under Nimrod from Cush, adds a rather
ominous warning: Great nations cannot defy God and long sur-
vive. The new nation of Israel need only survey the many nations
around her to perceive that God disperses and curses the rebel-
lious, bringing utter confusion and antagonism among them. If
Israel would obey and submit to God's will, then she would be the
source of blessing to the world.
Unfortunately, Israel also raised her head in pride and re-
fused to obey the Lord God. Thus she too was scattered across the
face of the earth.

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Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda....... thumbs up

......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’

Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition
http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!

Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.

Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.

To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.

Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.

Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.

Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.

Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.

Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.

Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!

Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.

Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel.

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................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.

Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.

Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.
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One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.

This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!

It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!

I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?

II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.

II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.

Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.

I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).

Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.

I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;

I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .

However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;

http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf

Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................

MoMo Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:34 am

Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Australian-desert-map

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Australian-desert-map

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Biomapsm

This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche? wave

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 1229381703_2

http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent noway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

thinking hmm

Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.

A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.

cheese

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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 1104-3

flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole? noway

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Article-1044992-0247CEE200000578-444_468x595

Volcanoes and Earthquakes.

Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html

Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)

true lilly Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:20 pm

Twenty police injured in nuke protest
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 743722-nuclear

AP
GERMAN police say
20 policemen were injured
during clashes with protesters
ahead of the arrival of
a shipment of nuclear waste.

true lilly wrote:Nuclear waste train heads into Germany
From:AFP
November 25, 2011 9:45PM
Last Updated: November 26, 2011

THE last train carrying reprocessed nuclear waste back from France
to Germany crossed the border today after being delayed by
demonstrations and steamed towards more trouble.

The train, carrying 11 wagonloads of vitrified radioactive material,
left a siding in the station of Remilly, just outside the town of Metz
and around 30km from the German border, at 7pm (AEDT).

Several hundred French riot police had protected the train overnight, and
around 60 German officers and a French "RAID" team - a SWAT-style
special weapons squad - were on board as it resumed its journey.

The train had left a yard operated by the French nuclear giant Areva in
Valognes, in Normandy, on Wednesday, due to travel more than 1100km
across France and through Germany to the waste dump in Gorleben.

But violent anti-nuclear protests delayed its journey, and authorities
halted it overnight while trying to keep demonstrators guessing about
its eventual route across the border and back into Germany.

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Today, it finally crossed the frontier in the border town of Forbach, just south of Saarbrucken, and entered Germany.

Last November a similar controversial shipment took 91 hours to arrive at
its final destination - a day longer than planned - and it was dogged
the length of the route by French and then German protesters.

Around 50,000 activists turned out in Germany to try to disrupt the train
during that transfer, and protest organisers expect 20,000 to demonstrate
against the convoy as it nears the central town of Gorlebenlater on Friday.

Some 19,000 German officers have been deployed, and tear gas and water canon
were fired when clashes erupted overnight when a few hundred protesters tried
to block the line around 20km outside Gorleben.

Spooked by Japan's Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its
use
of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice
of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.

Anti-nuclear activists want France to follow suit and shut its reactors, an idea
firmly dismissed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose government believes
French industry is reliant on cheap nuclear-generated electricity.

There has long been widespread public opposition in Germany to nuclear power,
which environmentalists believe presents an unacceptable radioactive threat
to public health and the environment.

In March, the Japanese nuclear plant at Fukushima Daiichi was hit by an earthquake
and a tsunami, triggering a meltdown and massive radiation leak - and increasing
worldwide concerns over nuclear power.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government agreed to halt German reactors by 2022,
forcing energy suppliers to close plants and levying a tax on fuel.

In the meantime, Germany will no longer send nuclear waste for
reprocessing in France, but will instead stockpile it until a way is
found to make it safe.

France produces 75 per cent of its electricity needs in nuclear plants - a
higher proportion than any other country - and its electricity bills are around
25 per cent cheaper than in its neighbours, a boon to industry.

German protesters are angry that Merkel's announced nuclear phase-out will
take another decade, and that there is still no permanent storage site for the waste generated in the country's reactors.

German mother
gives birth to gigantic baby,
names him 'Jihad'
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 833555-big-baby

Mother Elfi holds her son Jihad at Charit Campus hospital in Berlin.
Picture: AP Sunday Herald Sun

AN obese German mother gave birth to a gigantic baby boy
without the help of a C-section, and named him
"Jihad."
The newborn -- the mother's 14th -- weighed in at 5.9kg
__________________________________________________________________
25 November 2011
Last updated at 21:08 GMT
Belgium credit rating downgraded by S&P
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David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 _56947693_56947690

S&P says it considers Belgian government debt
to be at "high levels"

Belgium has had its credit rating downgraded by ratings agency Standard & Poor's.

The country's downgrade could make it more expensive for Belgium to borrow in future.

Belgium's rating was cut by one notch, to AA from AA+, with S&P expressing concerns about funding and market pressures.

The move comes as the eurozone crisis threatens to keep growing, and with continued concerns over Italian debt.

"We think the Belgian government's capacity to prevent an
increase in general government debt, which we consider to be already at
high levels, is being constrained by rapid private sector deleveraging
both in Belgium and among many of Belgium's key trading partners,"
S&P said in a statement.

It also said the outlook was "negative",
meaning Belgium's rating could possibly be cut further in future.

"We need a reply that is clear and credible
if we are to avoid the worst,"
Belgium's caretaker prime minister, Yves Leterme, told
Belgian television after S&P's announcement.
_____________________________________________________________

Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant,
Prince of Belgium
(French: Philippe Léopold Louis Marie,
Dutch: Filip(s) Leopold Lodewijk Maria;
born 15 April 1960),
is the eldest son and heir apparent of
Albert II, King of the Belgians and Queen Paola.

House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

The Duke of Brabant
at World Economic Forum in 2010

His godparents were his paternal grandfather,
King Leopold III of the Belgians,
and his maternal grandmother
Donna Luisa, Princess Ruffo di Calabria.

Spouse
Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
daughter of a Walloon Belgian noble family
and female line descendant of Polish noble families
such as the Princes Sapieha,
on 4 December 1999 in Brussels,
civilly at the Brussels Town Hall and
religiously at the Cathedral of Saint Michel in Brussels.

They have four children:

Princess Elisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, born 25 October 2001
Prince Gabriel Baudouin Charles Marie, born 20 August 2003
Prince Emmanuel Léopold Guillaume François Marie, born 4 October 2005
Princess Eléonore Fabiola Victoria Anne Marie, born 16 April 2008

Prince Philippe was educated at the Belgian Royal Military School.
From 1978 to 1981 he continued his education
at Oxford University's Trinity College.
He attended Graduate School at Stanford University, California,
where he graduated in 1985 with an MA degree in Political Science.

Greater Coat of Arms of Belgium

Personal Standard of King Albert II.
Albert II


King of the Belgians

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King Albert II and Queen Paola with
US President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush
at the Royal Palace in Brussels in 2005.
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King Albert II with Queen Paola,
and other royals and Heads of state,
at the funeral of Pope John Paul II.
________________________________________________________

Yves Leterme
Prime Minister of Belgium


Incumbent
Assumed office 25 November 2009
Monarch: Albert II

Private life and hobbies
Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of goats.

He breeds goats in his private time
in the small farm where he lives.

In November 2010 the Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad
had some more news about Yves' favorite animals:
two of his favorite goats, named Trudy and Vicky,
were to appear in a play by the local theatre society of Ypres.
The play is called 'Island of the goats'.
In an interview Yves called goats "The poor man's cow."
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Ray:
Ken, I grew up in Dublin. I love Dublin.
If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me
but I didn't, so it doesn't.
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Ray:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have the good
sense not to... hang on.

Is Belgium with all those child abuse murders
lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.

What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.
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Harry:
Not only have you refused to kill the boy,
you even stopped the boy from
killing himself,
which would've solved my problem,
which would've
solved your problem,
which sounds like it would've solved the boy's problem.
Ken:
It wouldn't have solved his problem.
Harry:
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise,
I wouldn't have thought twice.
I'd killed myself on the fucking spot.
On the fucking spot.
I would've stuck the gun in me mouth.
On the fucking spot!
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Ray:
Maybe that's what hell is,
the entire rest of eternity spent in fucking Bruges.
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Belgian parties reach 2012 budget deal
by:By Roddy Thomson
From:AAP
November 27, 2011 1:00AM

BELGIAN politicians reached a deal on the 2012 budget today,
ending a 19-month deadlock that had prevented the formation
of a stable government and led to a debt downgrade,
a negotiator said.

"There is an agreement," said a spokesman for the French-speaking socialists,
one of six parties in the linguistically-divided country that had been struggling
to reconcile spending cuts with tax rises.

The accord, reached after 17 hours of negotiations, opens the way to
forming a new government after 19 months in caretaker management.

Friday night's downgrade by ratings giant Standard and Poor's, which saw
Belgium drop by one notch to AA, piled pressure on the parties to
reconcile spending cuts with tax rises to avoid EU penalties next month.

Internal pressure, though, was at least matched by external strains among wider
eurozone leaders, two weeks from a crunch summit dogged by mounting doubts
over their ability to resolve the debt crisis.

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Powers struggle to contain their rage Foundation, 3 Nov 2011

With a national debt worth almost one year's economic output, which
threatens to crush the country with the onset of recession, outgoing
Prime Minister Yves Leterme had made it clear he feared a rout
when markets reopen on Monday if a way forward was not agreed.

"It is blindingly obvious, we have to send a very clear signal... preferably
before the markets open," Mr Leterme had said in a live national
television interview before a shocked Belgian people.

The parties had to work out how to trim 11.3 billion euros ($15.58 billion)
off the deficit next year and about 20 billion euros ($27.58 billion) in all
by 2015.

The ultimatum came days after Mr Leterme's expected successor,
Elio Di Rupo, offered his resignation to Belgium's king,
frustrated at the failure of six-party talks to agree on a
deficit-cutting 2012 budget to avoid EU sanctions.

Albert II rejected the offer and sent Di Rupo back to work.

The ratings blow underlined a sharp escalation of the debt crisis
in a week in which even Germany struggled to raise finance.

Concern is growing that the euro currency, in the absence of
radical pan-eurozone action, is close to breaking point.

"The ability of authorities to respond to potential economic pressures from
inside and outside of Belgium... in our opinion is constrained by the
repeated failure of attempts to form a new government," the S&P
statement said.

After Greek, Portuguese and Irish bailouts, and
with Italy, Spain and France now under pressure,
it was more bad news for leaders struggling
in the absence of a European Central Bank
decision to mount a gigantic financial rescue.

The European Commission has repeatedly urged Belgium
to bring its public deficit below 3.0 per cent of GDP by 2012 -
or face a fine of about half a billion euros.

Finance Minister Didier Reynders blamed the downgrade on a
"global loss of confidence" in eurozone public finances,
while insisting that Belgium's creditworthiness remained
"one of the strongest in Europe".

Analysts said the news had wider significance.

"Belgium is the symbolic buffer
between the eurozone periphery and its core,
so this is a sign that the crisis -
slowly, but surely -
is striking at the heart of Europe,"
Sony Kapoor, head of the Re-Define think tank, told AFP.
___________________________________________________

Tourist killed, 3 kidnapped in Mali
by:By Baba Ahmed in Bamako
From:AP
November 26, 2011 6:58AM

GUNMEN burst into a restaurant
in Mali's most famous city of Timbuktu overnight,
grabbed four tourists dining there and executed one
when he refused to climb into their truck,
said a witness and an official who inspected the body.

The armed men entered the Amanar restaurant around 2.30pm on Friday
local time and pointed their guns at four tourists dining inside, said
Moussa Boubacar, a client at the restaurant.

The four followed the gunmen outside, but when the gunmen tried to
make them enter a vehicle, one of the tourists refused, Boubacar said.

The kidnappers opened fire, killing him on the spot, Boubacar said.

Their nationalities could not immediately be confirmed,
but witnesses describe them as European.

Dramane Diallo, the regional director of Timbuktu's civil protection division,
said that he rushed to the scene and found the corpse of an elderly white man,
who locals said was the tourist that had refused to enter the car.

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African al-Qaeda camp destroyed Herald Sun, 25 Jun 2011

Until a few years ago, Timbuktu was one of the most visited
destinations in Africa, but it is now one of the many former tourist
hotspots in Mali that have been deemed too dangerous to visit by foreign
embassies because of kidnappings by the local chapter of al-Qaeda.

The incident overnight comes after two French citizens were grabbed
in the middle of the night from their hotel in the Malian town of Hombori
on Thursday.

Neither kidnapping has yet been claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
or AQIM, whose members have kidnapped and ransomed over 50 Europeans and
Canadians since 2003.

If Friday's kidnapping is by AQIM, it will mark the first time they have taken
a hostage inside of Timbuktu's city limits. Thursday's kidnapping would be
another first - the first time they have grabbed their victim south of the Niger River.

The group's footprint has grown dramatically since 2006, when the Algerian-led cell
first joined al-Qaeda. Security experts estimate the group has been able to raise around $US130 million ($134.04 million) from ransom payments alone.

The extent of the Mali Empire's peak

"One people, one goal, one faith"

An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim
(mostly Sunni and Sufi),
approximately 5% are Christian
(about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant)
and the remaining 5% adhere to
indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.

Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians,
most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.

TWITTERING IDIOTS!!!
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'China down'
Jon Huntsman said to "take China down"

Jon Huntsman : Take China down.

Huntsman, former US Ambassador to China,
made following comments in candidate debate :
......
So what should we be doing?
We should be reaching out to OUR ALLIES and
CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN CHINA.
They're called the young people.
They're called the internet generation.
There are 500 million internet users in China.
And 80 million bloggers.
And they are bringing about change,
the likes of which is gonna TAKE CHINA DOWN.
While we have an opportunity
to go up and win back
our economic manufacturing muscles. Rolling Eyes

Huntsman, China
____________________________________________

Paul Twomey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul Twomey 2007

Paul Twomey
was the Chief Executive Officer and President of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) from March 2003 to June 2009.
ICANN is the chief rule-making body
for internet policy worldwide.

Following a private-sector role as
a consultant for McKinsey & Company,
Dr Twomey held executive positions
within the Australian Government's
foreign trade organisation Austrade.

His role there included working on
strategic development and European markets.

He was appointed Chief Executive Officer of the
National Office for the Information Economy
(NOIE) in 1997,
a Commonwealth Government unit
responsible for developing Internet policy.

His involvement with ICANN began at this time.
Subsequently he chaired the ICANN
Government Advisory Committee,^[1]
which served as the organisation's
liaison with world governments.

Following his departure from NOIE,
Dr Twomey created a consultancy
with Ira Magaziner
(Domestic Policy Adviser
to former US President Bill Clinton)
called Argo P@cific.^[2]

He continued to serve on the ICANN GAC until November 2002,
through an ongoing posting as external advisor to
Australia's Commonwealth Government.

Dr Twomey is a member of the
British-North American Committee.

He also serves on the board of directors of the
Atlantic Council of the United States
and chairs the World Economic Forum's
Global Agenda Council on the Future of the Internet.

He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from University of Queensland,
a Master of Arts from Pennsylvania State University
and a PhD from Cambridge University.

On 27 March 2003 he was elected to his current position at ICANN.

On 2 March 2009, during the opening ceremony of
ICANN's 34th international meeting in Mexico City,
Dr Twomey mentioned that he would be leaving ICANN in June
while remaining as Senior President until the end of the year.^[3]

His name has recently been mentioned in relation to
the Commonwealth Government's proposed
National Broadband Network.

true lilly wrote:'Not a matter of if, but when we find you'

HUNDREDS of tax dodgers caught and convicted
as the ATO warns:
"if you do the crime, you will face the consequences".

Vatican checked in laundering probe
From:AFP
November 27, 2011 3:19AM
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Vatican probe:
The Vatican has been assessed to determine if it has tightened its regulations
to prevent money laundering.
Picture: Supplied Source: Supplied

COUNCIL of Europe inspectors have visited the Vatican to monitor its plans to tighten money laundering regulations.

The group from the Moneyval committee "met with representatives of
Vatican authorities dealing with the issue of prevention and fight
against money laundering and terrorist financing," a statement from the
Vatican said.

The group, composed of legal, financial and law enforcement experts
from five countries, arrived on Monday and left overnight, the statement said.

They are expected to present a report with their findings at a plenary session
of Moneyval "presumably in the middle of 2012," the Vatican said.

Pope Benedict XVI last December created a new financial authority
following an embarrassing investigation of Vatican bank officials by Italy.

The Vatican also approved a law from April
imposing sentences of up to
12 years in prison for money laundering
and 15 years for terrorist financing.

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In September last year,
Italian authorities launched an investigation into
and seized assets linked to
the Institute for Religious Works (IOR) -
the official name of the Vatican bank -
for alleged violation of money-laundering rules.

The Vatican has also been excluded from an international "white list"
of countries compliant with strict financial controls.
The new financial authority is aimed at
bringing the Holy See in line with new global standards.

sharky Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:54 pm

el kabong wrote:

................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.

Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.

Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.

One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.

This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!

It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!

I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?

II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.

II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.

Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.

I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).

Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.

I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;

I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .

However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;

http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf

Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain.

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................

great post............keep up the good work. thumbs up

sharky Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:55 pm

el kabong wrote:Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland

This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche?

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia.

http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.

A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.

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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?

Volcanoes and Earthquakes.

Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html

Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)

Ditto!!!!

true lilly Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:51 pm

true lilly wrote:October 6
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For its use in Egypt, see 6th of October (disambiguation).

October 6 is the 279th day of the year (280th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 86 days remaining until the end of the year.

Contents[hide]

1 Events
2 Births
3 Deaths
4 Holidays and observances
5 External links
6th of October may refer to:

October 6 is the 279th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar
6th of October Governorate Governorate in Egypt
6th October City, a capital of the 6th of October Governorate
6th October Bridge, an elevated highway in Cairo, Egypt
Yom Kippur War, aka 6th of October war, a war between Egypt and Israel
oh wiki wiki woo woo's...why so desperate to be so desperately obvious...

Morocco Islamists win landmark election
by:By Henri Mamarbachi
From:AFP
November 27, 2011
2:42AM
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Watch
Morocco Islamists win landmark election

Morocco's moderate Islamists have won the most seats
in a landmark parliamentary election.

MOROCCO'S moderate
Islamists have won the most seats in a landmark
parliamentary election,
the latest religious party to achieve
spectacular gains on the back of
the Arab Spring.

The Justice and Development Party (PJD) captured 80 seats in the
395-seat assembly, nearly double the 45 seats won by Prime Minister
Abbas el Fassi's Indpendence Party, Interior Minister Taib Cherkaoui
told a news conference on Saturday.

The win - the first parliamentary poll victory for the party -
comes just one month after
Islamists won Tunisia's post-revolution election and
days before their predicted surge in Egyptian polls.

According to the new constitution overwhelmingly approved in a July referendum,
King Mohammed VI must now pick the prime minister from the party which won
the most seats in parliament, instead of naming whomever he pleases.

The king, the latest scion of a monarchy that has ruled the country for
350 years, proposed changes to the constitution that curb some of his
near absolute powers as autocratic regimes toppled in nearby Tunisia,
Egypt, and Libya.

Related Coverage

Egyptians tipped to turn on Islamists The Australian, 1 day ago
Moroccan activists call for polls boycott The Daily Telegraph, 14 Nov 2011
Islamist party sweeps Tunisian elections The Daily Telegraph, 28 Oct 2011
Tunisian Islamists in power talks The Daily Telegraph, 26 Oct 2011
Tunisia votes in first free election Foundation, 24 Oct 2011

Earlier on Saturday top PJD officials said their own figures showed
they had won over 100 seats in Friday's polls, the first since the
approval of the new constitution.

"We thank the Moroccans who voted for the PJD and we can only be satisfied,"
PJD secretary general Abdelilah Benkirane told reporters after the government
confirmed his party had won the most seats in the election.

He acknowledged his party would have to tailor its program to appease prospective
coalition partners and said
the PJD is "open to everyone" when it comes to forming alliances.

"The nub of our program and of those who
will govern with us will have a double axis,
democracy and good governance," he told the France 24 television channel.

"From now on, Moroccans will feel that the state is at their service
and not the other way about," Benkirane added.
"That is very important for us."

The PJD has gradually increased its share of the vote in Morocco,
seen as one of the most stable countries in the region.

After winning just eight seats in 1997, it surged in popularity,
scooping 42 seats in the 2002 election, the first of King Mohammed VI's reign.
It then increased its share in the last election in 2007
when it finished second with 47 seats.

The party focused at first on social issues, such as
opposition to summer music festivals and the sale of alcohol,
but has shifted to issues with broader voter appeal like the
fight against corruption and high unemployment.

During the current campaign it promised to cut poverty in half and raise the
minimum wage by 50 per cent.

Unlike the banned Islamist opposition group Justice and Charity,
the Justice and Development Party pledges its allegiance to the monarchy.

But Benkirane cuts a controversial figure for previously
derogatory comments about Berber people and homosexuals.

In 2010 he tried to ban a concert in Morocco
by the openly gay singer Elton John because of fears of
encouraging homosexuality.

The National Rally of Independents, the second-largest party in the
outgoing five-party government coalition, won 38 seats,
while the Party of Authenticity and Modernity,
founded in 2008 by people close to the king, got 33 seats.

So far only the Independence Party has said
it would be willing to govern with the Justice and Development Party.

The king proposed a new constitution on March 9, just 17 days after
thousands of people took to the streets across Morocco calling on him
to give up some of his powers in the biggest anti-establishment
protests in the country in decades.

Morocco's pro-reform February 20 protest movement, responsible for the protests,
had called on voters to boycott the elections. It says the constitutional reforms are
insufficient.

Voter turnout was 45.4 per cent, up from 37 per cent
from the last parliamentary election in 2007, but lower than the 51.6
per cent turnout recorded in 2002.

"This turnout, if confirmed, does not reflect enthusiasm for
the new constitution or political parties,"
said Haizam Amirah Fernandez, senior analyst for the Arab world
at Spanish think tank Real Instituto Elcano.

In all, 31 parties competed for the 395 seats in the lower house of parliament -
with 60 seats reserved for women
and 30 set aside for candidates under the age of 40.
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777197 divided by 62 = 12 535.4355
So, that's only about a quarter of the regular readers,
from when I was there to post GOOD NEWS to
counter Team Tintin's DEATH THREATS,
FAILED 'predictions'=PLOTS and BALD FACED LIES...

cori wrote:
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Originally Posted by dixie d

I'd imagine there will be something in this article...

Apple co-founder Steve Jobs dies aged 56

56 is the Dailing code for Chile

I was looking on the October 6 Wiki page and one that stands out is...
dixie d wrote:
The Jazz Singer

It's difficult for me to get my head around what these articles mean.

dixie d wrote:And the point being?

I'd also say there is also a link to I Robot (film)
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"protecting" 'cori', I see, as usual....yes well, it is desperate...
Nurses gagged, afraid of management
'they' "TOUCH", for 'their' FINANCIAL Health...
WHO'S "WE", PALEFACE? CORI HAS ORDERED DEATH TO EVERYONE

THE FIRST HOUSES IN AUSTRALIA
home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm -
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm
18 Oct 1985 – Whoever heard of Aborigines living in stone houses, congregating in villages, ... in western Victoria of the stone remains of these houses in a recent ... The Sydney tribes salted and dried fish and meat and hung it in trees away from dogs. ... burning the land, or "firestick farming", as Rees Jones described it. ...
Aboriginal Village
(13/03/2003)
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We’re told that aborigines were nomads. Yet the local Gunditjmara in Western
Victoria claim their ancestors lived in a village. They had eel farms,
and even an eel industry, which exported produce across the country. If
this is true, it would challenge our current understanding of aboriginal
history.

Archaeologist, Dr Heather Builth, set out to
investigate the Gunditjmara’s claims. And remarkably she found a great
deal of evidence to support them…the remains of 100s of huts, more than
75 square kilometres of artificial channels and ponds for farming eels,
and smoking trees for preserving the eels for export to other parts of
Australia.

TRANSCRIPT

Narration: At Lake Condah in western Victoria, there’s a
mystery. We’re told aborigines were nomads. Yet here the aborigines,
claim their ancestors lived in a village. A village so sophisticated,
they farmed eels in these swamps, they processed them and even exported
them across the country. If true it would seriously challenge our
understanding of aboriginal history.

Ken Saunders: We weren’t nomads. We didn’t wander all over the bloody place and gone walkabout. We had an existence here.

Professor
Peter Kershaw found some tantalising evidence in this
snake-and-leech-infested swamp. He took a soil sample from the bottom.
Because soils are laid down gradually, drilling down several metres is
like going back in time.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This is
healthy peat material. It suggests that it’s accumulated under shallow
water and there’s been constant deposition. As we go towards the top
here, you can see it’s getting very kind of fine-grained sediment. It’s
very greasy.

Narration: It’s greasy because the lake was
continually churned up while this soil was being laid…possibly churned
up by human eel farmers.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This doesn’t occur naturally. It had to have some help. People have been here or that is the most likely explanation.

Dr
Heather Builth, found more enticing clues that there could be an
ancient eel farm here. There appeared to be countless artificial
channels crisscrossing this landscape.

Dr Heather Builth:
This has had to be excavated. This channel is artificial channel that
has come through the lava flow through the sheer rock to bring the water
from this swamp into that swamp.

Narration: In fact there
appeared to be artificial ponds here as well. But it was hard to make
sense of all this because the entire area was drained in the 1800s when
the Europeans moved in. But Heather had an idea. She measured up every
little hill and valley in the landscape, entered all the information
into a geography simulation programme and then re-flooded the land on
computer.

That way she could see where all the artificial
channels led. The computer programme revealed a dazzling picture. An
artificial system of ponds connected by canals, covering more than 75
square kilometres of the landscape.

Dr Heather Builth: I
realised there was something pretty clever going on here. The swamps
were joined and there were channels joining the wetlands to the river
and there were channels continuing on to the sea across the whole
length.”

Narration: Heather was starting to believe there
could well have been an ancient eel farm here. Meanwhile, the soil
samples revealed more exciting results when they got back to Peter’s
Monash University lab. Pollens were extracted, and they showed water
plants had suddenly appeared in the record – just what you’d expect if
humans had suddenly constructed an artificial ponding system. But the
most staggering result came when he soil samples were radiocarbon dated.
The artificial ponds it appeared, were created up to 8000 years ago.

Dr Heather Builth: Yeah that is pretty amazing historically, prehistorically in the world about controlling a resource in aquaculture.
Yeah – it could be one of the oldest systems in the world.”

Narration: Of course, none of the scientific discoveries surprised Ken. He says the whole countryside here is dotted with eel traps.

Ken Saunders:
We used to trap eels ourselves and use the eels traps. And some of the
young fellas today still use the eel traps. So the eel traps were part
of our diet. I still eat the bloody things today.

Narration:
The telltale sign of an eel trap is two piles of rocks in straight
lines. Woven basket-like nets were placed in the gap where the water
once flowed.

Dr Heather Builth: This would have come in
here, and understand that it would’ve been about four times as big as
this now, and it would’ve fitted in. There would’ve been a frame here - a
wooden frame and this would’ve gone through the frame like that so it
would’ve been filling up a bit. It was a big enough collar to catch the
eels. So what it meant was they could only come out one at a time and so
someone was here to catch the eels as they came out and grab them bight
them on the back of the neck, kill them put them in the basket.

Narration:
Evidence that 8000 years ago the Gunditjmara had a large-scale eel farm
here was already enough to rock the archaeological establishment. But
what about Ken’s claim that his people actually had an industry, and
were exporting their produce?

Heather had noticed there were a
lot of these trees that had obviously had fires in them. Could it be the
Gunditjmara smoked eels in them, to preserve them for export? She took a
sample deep down where the soil was contaminant-free, to see if a lab
could find traces of eel. But after putting it in the fridge overnight
she was greeted by a remarkable surprise the next morning.

Dr Heather Builth:
The next day, when we went in to open the door, the whole room stank of
smoked eel and that was the eureka moment. And the fact that all these
trees, if people had been using them, that means there was preservation.
Suddenly the whole picture changed. Gunditjmara weren’t just catching
eels; their whole society was based around eels. And that to me was the
proof. That was it.

Narration: This wasn’t just one of the
earliest farming villages…. this was an ancient industry. And that put
the Gunditjmara in a totally different category.

Dr Heather Builth:
A specialisation had developed here of eel production. And these eels
could have gone out long distances and they would have been the currency
these people bargained with. I think what we had here was a
hierarchical structured society. We had chiefs with lots and lots of
power.

Narration: But if this was a village, where did the
inhabitants live? The answer to that lay with these stones scattered
all over the landscape. Many of them seem to lie in circular patterns.
Archaeologists had dismissed them as natural formations, but could they
be the foundations of ancient huts?

To prove that, Heather
painstakingly measured and weighed each of the stones in some of these
structures. And sure enough she found they were too uniform to have been
stacked up by nature.

Graham: This is one of the stone huts?
Heather Builth: This is one of the stone houses.

Narration: They had to have been built by human hands and the most likely explanation is they were dwellings.

Graham: How many stone huts do you think were in this area?

Dr Heather Builth: I have myself have seen hundreds.

Graham: We’re talking about… I mean that’s a village…
Dr. Heather Builth: Yes, we’re talking villages
Graham: Villages!
Heather Builth: Villages

Lindsay Saunders:
You can see there about two metres. By about a metre high. The door
would have been facing east, away from the weather coming in from the
west. This would have housed about two or three people.”

Narration:
This is what the huts might have looked like, based on historical
accounts and the materials that were available. Wooden boughs sat on top
of the stone foundations and they were covered with peat sods for
strength and reeds for waterproofing. What you’re left wondering is…How
did archaeologists miss all this? Heather believes it’s because
everything disappeared very quickly when European farmers moved in.

Dr Heather Builth: A lot of them had a military background and they knew how to get rid of aboriginal people pretty quickly.

Narration: While the scientific discoveries don’t surprise Ken, he hopes they will help his people.

Ken Saunders: If we can get National Heritage Listing – which we will get – we can then rebuild and recreate the fish traps again.

Narration:
The Gunditjmara eel-trap-weaving skills are still being handed down,
and Heather now knows how the eel farms operated. Her science may just
help Ken’s people realise their dream.

Ken Saunders: Well
you couldn’t have a blackfella telling that story. So to prove it we
had to have a white person doing the scientific research to say this is
real.

Topics: Archaeology & History

Researcher: Robyn Smith

Story Contacts
Dr Heather Builth
Email
Postal address:
RMB 7460
Coustleys Rd
Homerton
Via Heywood
Victoria 3304
Ph: 03 55272051

Professor Peter Kershaw
Email

Director of the Centre for Palynology and Palaeoecology
Geography & Environmental Science
Monash University
Melbourne
Tel: 03 9905 2927

Ken Saunders
Co-ordinator of Lake Condah Sustainable Development Project
03-55784272
Related Info
Information on the project at Flinders University

true lilly wrote:This is in the News today, BBC News, but it's over a month, over 40 years, over 200 years,
and much, much older 'news', that like so much more truly ancient Australian History, 'they',
at
David Icke Official Forums, like the rest of The CONspiracy industry,
dare not, post, let alone, honestly discuss. Because, it is only one of
countless real world proofs, that when God described, ALL the world, ALL
the earth, All peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING, that is what He meant.

6 October 2011
Last updated at 02:18 GMT
Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia

By Stephanie Hegarty
BBC World Service

Continue reading the main story

An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia
could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that
ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.

Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders,
the site of Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European
settlers two centuries ago,
and charted by archaeologists in 1977,
but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.

It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people -
the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the
rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and
practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century.

Now a team of archaeologists, astronomers and Aboriginal advisers
is reclaiming that knowledge.

They have discovered that waist-high boulders at the tip of
the egg-shaped point along the ring to the position on the horizon
where the sun sets at the summer and winter solstice - the longest
and shortest day of the year.

“Start Quote
<blockquote>It is interesting to know how far back people were doing astronomy,
if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge”
</blockquote>
Prof Ray Norris
Astrophysicist

The axis from top to bottom points towards the equinox -
when the length of day equals night.

At Stonehenge, the sun aligns instead with gaps in the stones
on these key dates in the solar calendar.

The probability that layout of Wurdi Youang is a coincidence
is miniscule, argues Ray Norris, a British astrophysicist at Australia's
national science agency, who is leading the investigation.

Prof Norris and his Aboriginal partners used Nasa technology
to measure the position of each rock in relation to the sun, and
to demonstrate the connection with the solstices and equinox.

"It's truly special because
a lot of people don't take account of Aboriginal science,"
says Reg Abrahams, an Aboriginal adviser working with Prof Norris.

Giant emu
As happened with Stonehenge, the discovery could change the
way people view early societies. It is only recently that it has been
demonstrated that Aboriginal societies could count beyond five or six.

"This is the first time we have been able to show that,
as well as being interested in the position of the sun,
they were making astronomical measurements," says Prof Norris,
who is also a faculty member at the School of Indigenous Studies
at Macquarie University in Sydney.

This photo of the emu in the sky by an aboriginal rock carving
was sent to every school in Australia

Other studies by Prof Norris, of Aboriginal songs and stories,
have also indicated a clear understanding of the movements of the sun,
moon and stars.

Indigenous customs vary among groups across Australia, but
one story that appears in many local traditions is
the tale of a great emu that sits in the sky.

The emu, which can be seen in the southern hemisphere during
April and May, is a shape made by the dark patches of the Milky Way.

Its appearance coincides with laying season of the wild emu
and for the storytellers it is a sign to start collecting eggs.

Prompted by historian Hugh Cairns, Prof Norris examined and
photographed an emu-shaped rock carving in Kuring-Gai Chase National
Park, near Sydney, which cleverly mirrors the celestial animal-like shape.
During the southern autumn, the constellation
is positioned above the rock
with the bird shape almost perfectly reflected
by the engraving.

Intellectual leap
Other stories show more complex,
intellectual understanding of the universe.

In the case of the solar eclipse, the Walpiri people in the Northern Territory
tell the story of a sun-woman who pursues a moon-man.
When she catches him the two become husband and wife
together causing a solar eclipse.

The idea that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon moving
in front of the sun is something only widely accepted by western
scientists in the 16th Century.

"This is not about balls of flames going out,
it's about one body moving in front of the other,"
says Prof Norris. "That is a giant intellectual leap."

Since solar eclipses are rare, the survival of this story,
passed down through generations,
also shows a remarkable continuity of learning.

These discoveries play a crucial role in helping
Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians
understand just how intellectually
advanced their ancient society was.

"This discovery has huge significance for understanding the
amazing ability of this culture that is maligned," says Janet Mooney,
head of Indigenous Australian Studies at Sydney University.

"It makes not only me, as an Aboriginal person,
but a lot of Aboriginal people around Australia very proud."

She hopes to be able to tell her students of
an aboriginal site more ancient than Stonehenge.

Continue reading the main story Aboriginal cultures

Australia's indigenous Aboriginal population make up 470,000 of the country's 21 million population
There are more than 400 separate Aboriginal traditions in Australia but they share many beliefs
All aboriginal cultures believe in the Dreaming, an expression
for man's relationship to the spiritual natural and moral elements of
the world
A Dreaming is a story owned by a particular tribe that tells the story of creation

Until it is dated however, Wurdi Youang could be anywhere from 200 to 20,000 years old.

Aboriginal stone structures in the region have a vast age
range and are very difficult to date. Many of the smaller rock sites
that have been found, such as shelters and cooking areas, have been
moved over time by natural and human forces.

But given the size of the stones at Wurdi Youang and how
deeply they are entrenched in the ground it is more likely they have
been there for thousands of years, archaeologists say.

Dating requires archaeologists to test the soil under the
rocks to see when it was last exposed to sunlight and the team hope to
be able to do this in the next few months.

But Prof Norris believes he has already proven the real value of the stone circle.

"It is interesting to know how far back people were doing
astronomy, if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge," he
says.

"But it is not quite as interesting to my mind as whether the
Aboriginal people were doing real astronomy before British contact.
That really tells us a lot about what kind of culture it is."

Reach for the Stars - Aboriginal Astronomy was produced by Robert Cockburn and broadcast by Discovery for BBC World Service. Listen the radio documentary here
___________________________________________________
Good readers, this was my playground, growing up.
It caused me to ask these questions, about this glorious, truly ancient land's,
truly ancient history, even as a child, yet despite always getting the 'accepted',
stock fob off's, 'something' always told me that's what they were.
Simple answers given to a child, as if being a child made one simple.
And so I kept, looking, asking, thinking about answers given,
and why they were given, when obviously, so many of those 'accepted' answers,
contradicted other 'accepted' answers. Until now at a mature age, having enjoyed
an 'interesting' life, moving around a lot of this country, amongst many cultural and
social groups, from farming to politics, and much in between and on the fringes,
I found that when removing the contradictions, what we are left with,
is, what God described, from the beginning.
true lilly wrote:Another Sign to LOCATE Lands
Described in Holy Scripture...

NO ONE can simply walk up to
"quails" or "pheasants"
and collect more than they can eat,
but in ONE AREA on Earth they CAN, STILL,
gather the most tasty of birds...

Mutton Birds

Aboriginal people still harvest the mutton
birds. Our catch and sales are dependent
on the sustainability of the harvest. Mutton
birds are a delicacy to eat, with a rich oily
flavour unlike any other.

The short-tailed shearwater of Griffiths Island
(Puffinus tenuirostiris - Tasmanian Shearwater)
is commonly called the 'mutton bird'.

Given the name 'mutton bird'
by early settlers of Port Fairy
of its fatty flesh, the shearwater
was hunted as a food and oil source.

Today the shearwater
is totally protected in Victoria.

The journey, of about 15,000 km, passes
New Zealand and Japan
and is completed in only two months.

The return journey follows the coast of
North America to California,
then south-west across the Pacific.
Prevailing winds aid their flight for most of the journey
but on the final leg, from the central Pacific,
the birds battle across south-east winds.

They return to their nesting grounds exhausted...
http://www.port-fairy.com/shearwaters.htm

Ferley Gardner,
Tasmanian Aboriginal Elder...
...One of the highlights of her childhood was
when her family would pack up everything each year
and travel to Big Dog Island or Babel Island
for the mutton bird season.

...COLLECTING BIRDS ON BABEL ISLAND ...
http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Tr...s/s1045602.htm
And all anyone has to do to see it, is get over that patently absurd,
insanely too short, only recently agreed on, "out of Egypt" lie.
true lilly wrote:Australian Aborigines the first astronomers
Posted on September 20, 2010 by Deskarati

Rock engravings at Ngaut Ngaut, South Australia, which are said to
represent lunar cycles. There are many examples like this throughout
Australia which suggest that astronomy is an important part of many
Australian Aboriginal cultures.

An Australian study has uncovered signs that the country’s ancient
Aborigines may have been the world’s first stargazers, pre-dating
Stonehenge and Egypt’s pyramids by thousands of years.

Ray Norris said widespread and detailed knowledge of the stars had
been passed down through the generations by Aborigines, whose history
dates back tens of millennia, in traditional songs and stories.

“We know there’s lots of stories about the sky: songs, legends,
myths,” said Norris, an astronomer for Australia’s science agency, the
Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organisation (CSIRO).

Star-gazing for food

“We wondered how much further does it go than that. It turns out also
people used the sky for navigation, time-keeping, to mark out the
seasons, so it’s very practical.

“People were nomadic so when Pleiades (the Seven Sisters star
cluster) was up they would move to where the nuts and berries are.
Another sign and it would be time to move to the rivers to fish for
barramundi, and so on.”

Norris, who has studied Aboriginal culture and historical accounts by
white settlers, and made several trips to Arnhem Land in Australia’s
remote Outback, said his research also revealed more detailed
astronomical thought.

Figuring out an eclipse

“Clearly some thinker in the past has been sitting down in the bush,
watching an eclipse and trying to figure out how it works,” he said,
giving one example.

“Those thoughts are then encoded in the songs and ceremonies. If you
take a lunar eclipse, the story in Arnhem Land is it’s the Sun Woman and
Moon Man making love, and when they make love the body of one covers
the other.”

Norris is now searching for evidence that would put a date on
Aboriginal astronomy, such as a rock-carving of a meteor strike or
comet.

Establishing a beginning date

He is confident the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain’s astronomy-linked Stonehenge, which is estimated at
3,100 BC, around the age of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

“We’ve established there is all this astronomy, what I don’t know is
how far back this goes. If it goes back 10,000 or 20,000 years, that
makes (Aborigines) the world’s first astronomers,” he said.

via Australian Aborigines the first astronomers | COSMOS magazine.
___________________________________________________________

The thing is, THEY KNOW IT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER.
It's just that we need to slowly ease the world into feeling like
they are part of the discovery, rather than feeling like dills.

Oh, and I think it was palomino who first posted this, way back then.

Researchers are confident
the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain's astronomy-linked Stonehenge.
(AAP)
WANJINA...the tin foil hat brigade only want to see 'spacemen',
in everything...but come on, these are simply, Mighty, Big, Hairy,
White Freckled Skinned, Red Heads...The Tribe of BENJAMIN...
also, Female Wanjina are very rare, as BENJAMIN nearly became
extinct. Sex crazed, immorally, cruelly, unhealthily so, the rest of
The Tribes of Israel banned intermarriage with them, but so that
they didn't die out (God keeping His Promise), they took women
not of Israel, as wives.

Judges - Chapter 21
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jdg&c=21&t=KJV#14
And they said ⁵⁵⁹ , [There must be] an inheritance ³⁴²⁵ for them that be escaped ⁶⁴¹³ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴, that a tribe ⁷⁶²⁶ be not destroyed ⁴²²⁹ out of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸.

Howbeit we may ³²⁰¹ not give ⁵⁴¹⁴ them wives ⁸⁰² of our daughters ¹³²³: for the children ¹¹²¹ of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸ have sworn ⁷⁶⁵⁰ , saying ⁵⁵⁹ , Cursed ⁷⁷⁹ [be] he that giveth ⁵⁴¹⁴ a wife ⁸⁰² to Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴.

Then they said ⁵⁵⁹ , Behold, [there is] a feast ²²⁸² of the LORD ³⁰⁶⁸ in Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷ yearly ³¹¹⁷ ³¹¹⁷ [in a place] which [is] on the north side ⁶⁸²⁸ of Bethel ¹⁰⁰⁸, on the east side ⁴²¹⁷ ⁸¹²¹ of the highway ⁴⁵⁴⁶ that goeth up ⁵⁹²⁷ from Bethel ¹⁰⁰⁸ to Shechem ⁷⁹²⁷, and on the south ⁵⁰⁴⁵ of Lebonah ³⁸²⁹.

Therefore they commanded ⁶⁶⁸⁰ the children ¹¹²¹ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴, saying ⁵⁵⁹ , Go ³²¹² and lie in wait ⁶⁹³ in the vineyards ³⁷⁵⁴;

And see ⁷²⁰⁰ , and, behold, if the daughters ¹³²³ of Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷ come out ³³¹⁸ to dance ²³⁴² in dances ⁴²⁴⁶, then come ye out ³³¹⁸ of the vineyards ³⁷⁵⁴, and catch ²⁴¹⁴ you every man ³⁷⁶ his wife ⁸⁰² of the daughters ¹³²³ of Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷, and go ¹⁹⁸⁰ to the land ⁷⁷⁶ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴.

And it shall be, when their fathers ¹ or their brethren ²⁵¹ come ⁹³⁵ unto us to complain ⁷³⁷⁸ , that we will say ⁵⁵⁹ unto them, Be favourable ²⁶⁰³ unto them for our sakes: because we reserved ³⁹⁴⁷ not to each man ³⁷⁶ his wife ⁸⁰² in the war ⁴⁴²¹: for ye did not give ⁵⁴¹⁴ unto them at this time ⁶²⁵⁶, [that] ye should be guilty ⁸¹⁶ .

And the children ¹¹²¹ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴ did so ⁶²¹³ , and took ⁵³⁷⁵ [them] wives ⁸⁰², according to their number ⁴⁵⁵⁷, of them that danced ²³⁴² , whom they caught ¹⁴⁹⁷ : and they went ³²¹² and returned ⁷⁷²⁵ unto their inheritance ⁵¹⁵⁹, and repaired ¹¹²⁹ the cities ⁵⁸⁹², and dwelt ³⁴²⁷ in them.

And the children ¹¹²¹ of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸ departed ¹⁹⁸⁰ thence at that time ⁶²⁵⁶, every man ³⁷⁶ to his tribe ⁷⁶²⁶ and to his family ⁴⁹⁴⁰, and they went out ³³¹⁸ from thence every man ³⁷⁶ to his inheritance ⁵¹⁵⁹.

In those days ³¹¹⁷ [there was] no king ⁴⁴²⁸ in Israel ³⁴⁷⁸: every man ³⁷⁶ did ⁶²¹³ [that which was] right ³⁴⁷⁷ in his own eyes ⁵⁸⁶⁹.
_____________________________________________________
Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin...
...can't you hear the same name, travel over many ages, and tongues,
and still belong to the same type of people described...

Aboriginal people believe
we have been here "forever".
According to current scientific theories,
it is thought that Aborigines have
occupied Australia for over 60,000 years -
and possibly more than 100,000 years.

Remember, 'tintin' knows all this and more,
but as he works for 'them', he has to bury,
the fact that The Creator Who Promised to,
and DID, Save and Preserve (for Re-planting
Re-building and from where All The World
will receive it's Healing), a continent sized
land mass, CAN and WILL also Save His Faithful.

true lilly Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:22 am

true lilly wrote:
German woman dies in
Thai elephant mishap
From:AP
November 30, 2011
9:59PM

A 52-YEAR-old German woman has died after falling off an elephant in southern Thailand.

Police Captain Chatchai Nakpaksee says the tourist, Kerstin Kretz
Schmar, was riding the elephant with her husband when the accident
occurred on Tuesday evening in Krabi province.

The elephant slipped, and the couple fell to the ground.
Kretz Schmar's husband landed on top of her.
She died at a Krabi hospital.

Chatchai said today that no one has been charged in the incident,
and that an investigation was under way.

Elephant rides are popular at tourist spots around Thailand, including popular beach destinations such as Krabi.
Related Coverage

Circus elephant tramples Vietnamese girl Herald Sun, 17 Oct 2011
US zoos step up elephant safety rules The Australian, 25 Aug 2011
Review: Meet The Elephant Man The Daily Telegraph, 17 Jun 2011
Elephant rampage The Australian, 9 Jun 2011
Man gored to death in elephant rampage Herald Sun, 9 Jun 2011

Doctors said the woman died from a punctured lung.
Elephant rides are a popular tourist attraction in Thailand, where elephants have been domesticated for centuries.

Rather telling that "Billy Ruben" DECIDED TO EDIT OUT
the last two lines AND THE MAP from "his" "quote".

Two extra lines left out of most reports, and the map
of the area, that I bothered to find and include FOR CONTEXT.

Interesting timing to, that I WANTED to, but didn't post the Famous
KRABI ROCK image, and then Google also showed me why that image
has stuck in my head...as "Billy Ruben" posts more than a 'HAT TRICK'
of 'own goals'.

Part of a "tintin" post from this page:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1058463591

also chock full of ELEPHANTS, KERCHER
and MORE AND WORSE!

tintin wrote:The nickname for Amersfoort, Keistad (boulder-city),
originates in the Amersfoortse Kei,
a 9-tonne (19,842 lb) boulder that was dragged from the Soest moors
into the city in 1661 by 400 people because of a bet between two landowners.
Here is that Boulder.

Krabi by Speedboat
Daytrip to Koh Kai, Koh Poda, Ao Nang, Koh Hong
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Krabi-speedboat250

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
German woman dies in
Thai elephant mishap
From:AP
November 30, 2011
9:59PM

A 52-YEAR-old German woman has died after falling off an elephant in southern Thailand.

Police Captain Chatchai Nakpaksee says the tourist, Kerstin Kretz
Schmar, was riding the elephant with her husband when the accident
occurred on Tuesday evening in Krabi province.
The elephant
slipped, and the couple fell to the ground. Kretz Schmar's husband
landed on top of her. She died at a Krabi hospital.
Chatchai said today that no one has been charged in the incident, and that an investigation was under way.
Elephant rides are popular at tourist spots around Thailand, including popular beach destinations such as Krabi.
Related Coverage

Circus elephant tramples Vietnamese girl Herald Sun, 17 Oct 2011
US zoos step up elephant safety rules The Australian, 25 Aug 2011
Review: Meet The Elephant Man The Daily Telegraph, 17 Jun 2011
Elephant rampage The Australian, 9 Jun 2011
Man gored to death in elephant rampage Herald Sun, 9 Jun 2011

You
sick twisted fuck...you'd rejoice a womans' death,just to throw
reference to Cori,thankyou,I'll use this thread with mental health
services as well tomorrow.You've lost all decency Suzy Ryan and this is
excellent.I always wanted you to fail in the eyes of God,true God,not
that shitbag tyrant of the Old Testament...Fuck you.

Gee, don't "YOU" just hate it when I point out
ANY of TODAY'S NEWS, FULL OF "cori/tintin's"
ONCE FAVOURITE CODE KEYS, that "THEY"
DON'T DARE cover in "THEIR" Thread at
DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS, TODAY'S NEWS,
while continuing to post "THEIR" CODED PLOTS
and THREATS in the form of VERY OLD news and
VERY OLD MOVIE POSTERS of LONG DEAD ACTORS.

So why isn't "cori" playing "her" favourite game of,
adding, removing shuffling and twisting letters, to
'come up with' "HER" KARCHER/WINNENDEN
and other GERMAN "K", AMOK=MASS SLAUGHTER posts?

Same reason "YOU" are crabby?

Same reason you see what Google SHOWS
when you Google:
karcher cleaners david icke (images)
and web:

The NEWS behind the NEWS. - Page 2880 - David Icke's Official Forums
forum.davidicke.com › Main Forums › Today's News
10 posts - 3 authors - Last post: 13 Jun
HUSEC 41 and KARCH. KÄRCHER is the WINNENDEN Cleaning company. ... http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost....ostcount=26839. Quote: ...
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www.davidicke.com › ... › Main Forums › Today's News
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Billy Ruben wrote:http://webanarchy.net/v3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10333&p=106491#p106491

Quit with the lies shitbag,here's a link if you want to discuss.I'm contacting Ballarat mental health and police about you again
tomorrow.Next,if I was really calling you,like I have'nt and you're
that scared,why have'nt I heard from the police and if you are getting
threats,you'll find when you pay telstra for the service of a police
trace,($48 in 2002 per month) after you do an event number with the
police,you'll find shitbag,that it's not me.

OH,anyone out there actually harassing her,which I know you're not,use a public telephone ands wear gloves and GIVE IT TO THE BITCH...Now,drop dead Suzy Ryan...

Well, isn't that a bloody stupid own goal.
Just like "cori" PUBLICLY calling for me to be bashed.

Oh, and the OVER 180 phone threats are only a fraction of
the PUBLICLY POSTED INTERNET threats,
that ALSO CALL FOR ANYONE TO DO "YOUR" DIRTY WORK,
while also BOASTING that,
"YOU" HAVE CORRUPT POLICE ON "YOUR" SIDE
(letter for letter, in context, quotes posted here),
who will ensure I'm NOT HELPED.

And linking to "YOUR" BS thread on "Ciggy's" Forum where
I haven't posted the letter for letter quotes of some of "YOUR"
nastier threats, only proves how desperate "YOU" ARE to
divert those who matter, from reading all "YOUR" THREATS
posted here, and elsewhere.

true lilly wrote:POLICE WATCHDOGS QUIT
Police watchdogs quit

4:55PM
Keith Moor, Ashley Gardiner

THE man who ordered the Office of Police Integrity probe into Sir Ken Jones
has quit his role at the police watchdog.

Crime statistics: Home violence link to assaults spike
true lilly wrote:

How do you assess a killer's mental health?

Self-confessed Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring
Breivik is more likely to face psychiatric care rather than prison,
after psychiatrists declared him psychotic. So how is this kind of
assessment carried out?
In cases of those who like "Billy Ruben",
also BOAST that they ALREADY USE claims of
metal ill-health TO GET AWAY WITH CRIMES,
you do NOT confuse "mental" with,
KNOWINGLY, WILLINGLY EVIL!

Oh, and "Billy Ruben's" Threats also include that
"THEY" WILL GET AWAY WITH IT, due to "THEIR"
LOW Friends In HIGH PLACES.

true lilly wrote:SERIOUS MATTER:
BILLY RUBEN'S Flood of TEXT THREATS

To quote "tintin", "it's all connected".

Just a reminder, that,
"Billy Ruben, aka, Jason, aka, Jase"=a number of people
using a number of phones and fake internet I.D.'s,
has NOT stopped THREATENING ME, and the latest proves yet again,
that "they=the Billy Ruben Circle", are a serious threat
to all colours and stripes, particularly "their" own associates.

Boasting killer faces long jail term,
Supreme Court toldBy Mark Dunn
From:Herald Sun
November 30, 2011
1:54PM
A MURDERER who used Facebook and text messages
to warn of a potential massacre and then
text-boasted about killing his uncle
faces a lengthy jail sentence, the Victorian Supreme Court heard today.

"I shot my uncle with a shotgun and killed him ... my uncle Peter,
he was a f... head and I blew him away, it will be on the news I
reckon,'' killer Sam Michael Westbrook told a cousin via SMS text the
day after shooting dead Peter Westbrook.

Sam Westbrook's Facebook page was also found to contain the statement:
"jack dies 2nite so doea ne 1 in Dodd Street that walks outside''.

In a case of what prosecutors called "reckless'' murder,
Westbrook 24, had the day before the May 23, 2010 murder at Maryborough
told people he was out to shoot a different man, Jack Forder, a partner of another
of his cousins, Alana
Westbrook.
SMS and voice calls between Westbrook and Mr Forder
recorded a heated exchange and threats, documents before the court state.

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After drinking heavily that afternoon and evening, Westbrook -
who had been spoken to earlier by police because of his agitated state
but appeared to have calmed down - phoned Alana and threatened to
"blow her and her father's house up'' - a statement the prosecution said was
"drunken bravado'', the court heard.

Despite a friend trying to dissuade Westbrook from violence,
he texted saying: "Nope ova it every 1 dies 2nite.''

Having stolen car and a 12 gauge Baikal shotgun from a Maryborough address,
Westbrook drove to Dodds St where Mr Forder lived about 4am, court
documents state.

Wearing an ammunition belt, Westbrook confronted Alana,
who said Mr Forder was not home, before calling out to her father,
Peter Westbrook, who appeared at the door of an adjacent house.

Westbrook turned and fired a shot, hitting his uncle in the chest and killing him
before reloading and firing to where Alana had been standing and then
reloading and firing a third time, the court heard.

Defence lawyer John Desmond conceded Westbrook, who
pleaded guilty to murder and reckless conduct, may be in his 40s
before he is released from jail but
said there was no intention to kill his uncle,
only stated threats against Mr Forder.
(NO, HE STATED, EVERYONE:

"Nope ova it every 1 dies 2nite.''

"jack dies 2nite so doea ne 1 in Dodd Street
that walks outside''.

"blow her and her father's house up''

and these still are NOT as BAD as "Billy Ruben's" threats!

Justice Betty King, noting
his communication of text and Facebook threats
would be taken into account for sentencing,
said the case had probably destroyed the family.
Westbrook will be sentenced on a date to be fixed.

Office of Police Integrity officials
Paul Jevtovic and Michael Strong quit
by:Keith Moor
From:Herald Sun
November 30, 20114:55PM
Office of Police Integrity director Michael Strong has quit the police watchdog.
Picture: Craig Borrow Herald Sun

The OPI's former Paul Jevtovic
has quit his role
as deputy police watchdog.
He was in charge when
ex-Chief Commissioner
Simon Overland made allegations against his
then
deputy Sir Ken Jones.
File picture HWT Image Library

THE man who ordered the Office of Police Integrity probe into Sir Ken Jones has quit his role at the police watchdog.

OPI deputy director Paul Jevtovic has accepted a senior role at the Australian Crime Commission.

The OPI director, Michael Strong, is also leaving the OPI ahead of it being
scrapped and replaced by the Baillieu Government's Broad-based
Anti-corruption Commission (IBAC).

Mr Strong was warned months ago by the Baillieu Government that there was no role for him at IBAC.

An acting OPI chief will be appointed until the IBAC, which was due to
begin operations in July this year, is up and running, which is not
expected to be until the middle of next year.
A government spokesman today thanked Mr Strong for his work.

''An acting appointment will be made to head the OPI and ensure the body
continues to perform its role until the establishment of the IBAC and
Victoria's new anti-corruption regime,'' the spokesman said.

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I don't owe Overland apology - Ryan Herald Sun, 28 Oct 2011
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Mr Strong today said Mr Jevtovic would be leaving the OPI on January
6 to take up an appointment as Executive Director, Intervention &
Prevention, with the ACC in Canberra.

''Paul Jevtovic has provided exemplary service to OPI during a challenging period of our history. I am most grateful to him,'' Mr Strong said.

''The ACC is fortunate to have procured his services. It is a great pity his considerable talents have been lost to Victoria.

''I have written to the Deputy Premier, Mr Ryan, about the timing of my own
departure from OPI. It would be inappropriate for me to say anything
further on this topic at this time.

“Arrangements are in hand to ensure management continuity at OPI.
It will be business as usual pending transition to the Independent Broad Based Anti-corruption Commission.”

Mr Jevtovic was the acting OPI boss, as Mr Strong was on leave,
when the then chief commissioner, Simon Overland, came to him in May
and made misconduct allegations against then deputy commissioner Jones.

Mr Overland later that day ordered Sir Ken to leave police headquarters immediately.

Sir Ken then helped spark an Ombudsman's probe into the OPI after Sir Ken
complained to him about the action taken against him by the OPI.

Allegations were also made to the Ombudsman that the OPI had abused its powers
during its investigation into Sir Ken and Tristan Weston, the former adviser to
Police Minister Peter Ryan.

Mr Jevtovic was accused of ordering the probe into Sir Ken as a favour to
Mr Overland because of an alleged friendship with Mr Overland,
who worked with Mr Jevtovic when they were both with the
Australian Federal Police.

An Ombudsman's report tabled in State Parliament on October 11 cleared Mr Jevtovic
and the OPI of any conflict of interest, or acting inappropriately, in ordering the investigations of Sir Ken and Mr Weston.

The OPI tabled its findings from its probe into Mr Weston two weeks later and
accused him of misconduct relating to his plot to get rid of Mr Overland as chief commissioner.

Mr Weston resigned from his Baillieu Government position the day the damning OPI report was tabled.

And Baillieu Government MP Bill Tilley resigned from his position as a
parliamentary secretary after the OPI report revealed he had secret
meetings with Sir Ken at Sir Ken's home and at the Shrine of Remembrance
while trying to persuade Sir Ken to withdraw his resignation.

The second OPI report into the misconduct allegations against Sir Ken
is not expected to be completed until early next year.

Complicated reasons, which the Herald Sun is not legally able to reveal,
will prevent the OPI making its findings on Sir Ken public.

The law requires the OPI to deliver its findings to State Ombudsman George
Brouwer, who may decide not to table the results in State Parliament -
or he may only table a censored report on the OPI's findings.

Crucial findings from the OPI's continuing probe into Sir Ken had to be left out of last month's OPI report into Mr Weston.

That investigation started after multiple misconduct allegations were made to
the OPI about Sir Ken.

The allegations were made by Mr Overland and separately by two very senior
people who worked closely with Sir Ken at Victoria Police headquarters.
moork@heraldsun.com.au

But now poor "tintin" had to settle for HOOVER CLEANERS, Rolling Eyes

as he desperately THREATENS HIS TRAITOROUS WOmen
against REPENTING and CHANGING from HIS LOSING Side:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3254

Which part of "death to england" is not understood
itruth

Prepare for riots in euro collapse
atlantabizgal

Billy Ruben Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:53 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/why-no-reviews-of-david-icke-preaching-in-melbourne-oct-2011-t2123-30.html

David Vincent wrote:
true lilly wrote:Seems 'some' need a little more context to understand
the great hole 'they' have dug 'themselves' into...with a lot
of 'help' from 'their' 'friends'.
Re: IT BEGINS....
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1612p15-it-begins#26452
Post true lilly Today at 12:17 am

ROFLMAO

And the best part about that thread,is your "second death" that you threaten others with and boast about,isn't Judaic Old Testament,the thieves that they were,but based on The Mystery Schools of Egypt.

So you subscribe,to the very thing you hate

it's all...From Out Of Egypt....LULZ

Welcome to the family Suzy Ryan,take good care of you now.

You spam,so shall I...

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
And, "you" are NOTHING.

Sure about that?!?!?!?!

Billy Ruben wrote:Do the right thing and seek not recognition for those deeds,it will be noted as a spiritual aspect for after death,then,maybe a fruiter like you can keep something of themselves as the ego layer is stripped away and fed to MAAT the reptilian,leaving you as a clear virgin shell of consciousness and soul.Have a nice day...

The lies,slander,conspiracies,the games,the cruelty you have displayed to people and animals...you think there's something worth of you sparing...I already know you're the walking dead,like 90% of the human trash that filth this planet.I just vainly try and warn those,what the real second death is....The joke's on you,Suzy Ryan,Gods Anointed Spammer...

Ammut (aka Ammit, Ammet, Amemet)

She waited in the throne room often hidden as the judges of the Egyptian dead weighed the hearts of the deceased. Evil folk's hearts would become her next snack. Their souls were the main course. This was a second death, as being barred from the afterlife the soul was doomed to wander forever over the earth. Ammut is part lioness, hippo, and crocodile. She is also called the Bone Eater and Devourer of Millions. She is a most holy being as she alone could thusly bar the evil from entering the afterlife.

Ahhh,excellent insights there Mr Ruben,if I say so myself,would'nt you agree True Lilly,you do,but you just don't realise it...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
And there's 'Billy Ruben' with 'his'
months of death threats that specify such methods,
and associating himself with bad cops, health unionists,
biker groups, and really bad dudes...which you would right off,
as an attention seeking nutter...but for the at least
3 different phones 'he' uses, and, the others who know of,
and approve of 'his' death threats, and the very specific
associations 'he' brags of, that make 'him' believe
'he's' 'untouchable' enough to keep getting away with it.

...and then of course, there are
the 2 Car Bombs I've already survived...
and the other attacks by really bad dudes, etc...

and 'Jason/Billy Ruben's' dangerously erratic and
volatile behaviour that makes 'him' a liability to
'friends', 'associates' and anyone 'he' 'perceives'
as a 'foe'.

We've all been through this.
Two months ago,when I got sick of True Lillys',baseless,groundless,slander and lies,against everyone whom she finds dis-pleasure with,ie,anybody who does'nt unquestioning believe,who littany of lies.
Frustrated to the point of doing something stupid,I decided to take my chances with Ballarat Police,close to where Suzy lives,she being the "BUM" part of town,Wendouree West,known for its bakeries and cock gobbling glory holes of Hollioke Park.
...I have the phone bill here to prove I rang on a Saturday.
Anyway,not expecting to get anywhere,especially,if I gave away my relationship with NSW Police,to be rather strained at best.
I was surprised to have my queries answered by a very professional and seasoned officer,who knew the law and history of Victoria and Ballarat.
...After describing my complaint,being accused as a babyfucker and goat abuser and so has many others by this nutter.I mentioned Suzy's ex-husband,Bill Ryan,a serving member?,remember,this is Suzy data,it could be made up at the bottom of a Gin bottle.

BAck in a minute...
The officer then took an interest and began looking for this Bill Ryan.I said to the officer,she'd be easy to remember,her car was blown up by bombing in her driveway and herself has been beaten up twice and put in a hospital.I could hear the keyboard,thumping away in the background,he's researching the data as I speak.He had a chuckle and said,there has'nt been a car-bombing in the state of Victoria for 30 years and that was the Russell St bombing.
...The officer,whose name I'll keep secret until Suzy Ryan,True Lilly/Vera Susa wants to reveal more or challenge this,said she can't be charged the way the laws stand now,but that may differ in the near future.

That sad little tale,that Suzy Ryan/True Lilly made up,lied about,she has been milking the public and friends for years,whether it's money,computers or a lift down the street,True Lilly has been profiting off her lies for many years now,off the good will of her readers.
She continues with her lies,cause they serve her well.I exposed her for this and hopefully,slowly,others catch on.She even plays this on her own family,and she abandoned them,in favour of delivering Gods Saving Word,her schizoid spam,even over the love of her children.Still think she's not a threat,guess again,she's a dangerous,manipulative,game-playing,conspiring schizoid,who fooled many of you with her old lady act.
She isn't nice,frail or alone.She's very well connected.She's a liar,slanderer,extortionist,is this the quality of character,that one should have to advocate God for you?
Nutter extraordinaire...But wait,there's more,WOOF,WOOF...

Now see her above post,it still contains the lies that she's trying to utilize to build another fantasy,completely crackers,but then again,it's the only game she has in town,as the management said,it's what she does,well,I don't have to tolerate it,her or her lying crap.

Billy Ruben wrote:...But I suppose you all knew that,stupid bint,could'nt get any interest and spread rumours about dogfuckers and babyrapers...where it was probably an uncle or step dad who tricked her out.Anyway,I'd love to see the evidence where she tries to extort the forum for money...pathetic she is,anyway,it's a war and it's grizzley,sorry about this to human eyes,but it's the way it is...
She tried extorting Tintin too,everything she accuses one of,believe me,it's the opposite...she's a true lowlife,see it in the street,don't hit it,don't pity it,expectorate on it...in other words,hawk it right back and spit it heavy in her face,that's what I intend on doing...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Anyone of unfounded crimes and atrocities ever again I swear,I'll pursue you to the ends of the Earth,your God,will not protect you...

How dare you,pick on someone that can't even defend themselves.
Do you know how much hurt and pain your stupid little game does,how does mine back to you feel? Get it,myopic slag???
Ozpixie would never be what you accuse her off.

Quote: I Am

Jase,

I would not even show this to ozpixie as I know how much it would upset her and trust me, she does not need this sort of disgusting accusation in her life.

I have been slated by the best of them but really don’t give a toss. I know who I am and my friends and family know who I am.. I have been around long enough that it is water off a duck’s back.

Oz on the other hand is a very sweet lady who is not all that savvy to the hatred spread on the net.

I cannot give you too much information but I can assure you she is not the person true lilly believes she is. Her name is not Christine and she has never met or had any contact with lilly. She is not only not from Ballarat, She is not even from the same state.

How's that for showing what little you really know,eh? But still quite prepared to vomit your bullshit.You got no credibility and you make the Anti-Icke movement look cold and hate-filled with no warrant to be...and for that

I THANK YOU

ANYWAY,YOU'RE NOT GETTING LET OFF,WHILST YOU STILL USE GENERAL FORUM,i WILL HAUNT YOU,BACK IN YOUR DUNGEON DRAGON...AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE,ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANY SEXUAL CRIME AND I WILL TAUNT AND HAUNT YOU MORE...

THIS WILL NOT END,I WILL AWAIT YOU AND DESTROY EVERY SYLLABLE YOU DARE UTTER IN FUTURE...F*CK YOU,IS THE ORDER FOR EVERYDAY,DRAGON...

Billy Ruben wrote:ANSWER ME YOU GOD WHORE,WHY ACCUSE SOMEONE MEEK AND MILD OF AN ATROCITY THAT SHE COULD'NT EVEN READ ABOUT,LET ALONE PERFORM,WITH NO EVIDENCE AS USUAL,BUT YOU SEEM PRE-OCCUPIED WITH THIS SUBJECT,AND NAMED OZPIXIE WRONG,BUT STILL PERSIST,WHY SPREAD VICIOUS LIES AND RUMOURS,JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF YOUR POST,BITCH!!!
I ALSO NOTICED YOU NEVER MENTIONED CIGGY AND I FOR MONTHS,UNTIL YOU FOUND I WAS POSTING AT HPANWO...WAS THIS THE BIGGEST BUNGLE YOU AND YOUR ILK MADE,I KNOW SO,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,F*CK YOU....
ALL THIS JUST TO RAISE YOUR READERSHIP...IF YOU WERE'NT SUCH A SPASTIC,YOU'D STILL BE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE,THE DAVID ICKE FORUMS...NER,NER,NER,NER

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection
...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...
true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...

Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.

DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...

Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Nothing 'private' about this, 'you' 'ninny nong'...

So, which is it?
"Billy Ruben" makes a serious threat, or, he's all lying talk?

From Billy Ruben To true lilly, Today at 4:28 pm
____________________________________________________________________

true lilly wrote:
So, you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:
"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.
_____________________________________________________________________

quote:Billy Ruben

your a goner mate...
_____________________________________________________________________

Either way...'you & Ciggy' simply shouldn't have spammed, my one thread,
with 'you & Ciggy's' endless public 'conversations' about 'you & Ciggy's'
'beliefs' on when a child is too young or too related to lust after, and then
stepped up 'your' phone and on line harassment, when I asked 'you', again,
to remove that, utterly sick, way off topic, 'conversation' of 'yours',
from my thread, that was 'chopped up' to have 'those conversations'
of 'you & Ciggy', head and end the pages, as if it where my topic...and then cry,
rant, libel, make endless personal threats and try to sound like 'you'
AND 'your' supportive ASSOCIATES are 'good guys'.

Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

this is what I mean't you're a goner,you think I'd martyr you...hehehehe,that's how you think,idiot,no,a living permanenet death...I destroyed every credible shred you ever had or beLIEved you had.

This is what I am had to say,the truth...you're a disgusting spiteful shitbag of a person Suzy Ryan...if I get a chance,I'll f*ck you over in court
...Alison won't even show Ozpixie your stuff and I don't blame her,Ozpixie to me was like an Aussie Antiem,a very nice young lady,but Antiem shocked me with her strengths,I always thought Ozpixie was a little softy,like Curtain Cat,very lovely girls...You spiteful stale withered shitbag of a woman,I HATE you properly now...and have no shame in how I treat you,exactly how I treat demons,what I say to them,made them weep...you I will break...I am an old demon in transition,anything that tries stopping me in future,I'll swat,as I do to roaches...

the only thing being threatened is what little credibilty you think you had...call the police,go on,dare you,send your bald headed mate up,I'm in pretty good shape compared to yesterday.F*CK YOU!!!

sucked in...you make me ill...

True Lilly,puts her foot in it:
Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

Thankyou Suzy,that's exactly what I said,spam a True Lilly shitbox thread to make it interesting and you get painted as a child molester...exactly what I've been saying.

The only disappointing aspect,is you're proving me dead-on with no effort needed,this is all to easy...

THIS SUPER-SPAM CAN BE ALOT OF FUN AND ANNOYANCE,THANKYOU TRUE LILLY,FOR INTIATING ME IN THE SCHOOL OF SECRET ARTS...

Billy Ruben wrote:yeah,we remember the car-bombing,you lied and bullshitted about that one too...and sent us a pic of some woman walking a dog as proof,yeah,credible honest god fearing suzy fuckwit ryan...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW THAT YOU SLYLY ADMIT YOU'RE TORTURING THOSE CATS IN YOUR YARD,LIKE I ALWAYS SUSPECT A PATHETIC SLAG LIKE YOU TO DO,JUST TO UPSET ME,WELL F*CK YOU SUZY RYAN,A CAT'S LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN A 1000 OF YOURS,I DON'T CARE WHO SEES THIS OR DISGUSTED WITH ME OR EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT,BUT I SWEAR,I'LL CATCH UP WITH YOU AND TEACH YOU WHAT PAIN IS...I SPENT 4 HOURS ON THE NET,LAST NIGHT USING THE WHITE PAGES,BITCH LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A REGISTERED ADDRESS ON A NORMAL PHONE LINE,SO YEAH,I' NOT TAKING YOUR SHIT THIS TIME...FUCKING DIE BITCH...

GINGER AND WHITE CATS I LOVE AND ADORE,I WAS LAST YEAR,GOING TO DRIVE THERE JUST TO TAKE ONE OR TWO OFF YOUR HANDS...BUT F*CK YOU...YOU DEAD TO ME...

true lilly Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:03 am

These...ah, bugger it, figure it out for yourselves.
I did, and I'm no insider, I have no connections,
only God's Word and a hunger and thirst for
True Justice.

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 809265-111217-review2

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 809265-111217-review2

STAR IN THE EAST
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 887206-111217-rev-ashkenazy

Vladimir Ashkenazy
and the Sydney Symphony Orchestra
wow them in Seoul.

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 809262-111217-weekend-a-plus

IN GOD HE TRUSTS
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 353958-111217-tim-tebow

Denver quarterback Tim Tebow
is set to become the most controversial
sportsman in the US.

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 192643-inquirer

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 192643-inquirer

GLACIAL CHILL
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 340664-111217-arctic-ice-melt

Computer modelling
does not reflect
the complexities of ice sheets.

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 813647-111217-twam

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Yep, "tintin" "Them", Icke,
ALL CONNECTED,
LIKE "Billy Ruben's" DESPERATE
27 SPAMMED THREADS of many MORE
SPAMMED POSTS within minutes,
trying to bury what's...well, too late....

Seems 'some' need a little more context to understand
the great hole 'they' have dug 'themselves' into...with a lot
of 'help' from 'their' 'friends'.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/im-a-victim-of-the-age-not-alp-claire-watson/story-fn7x8me2-1226224659628

Grollo's hacking concerns
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 365148-daniel-grollo

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 365148-daniel-grollo

James Campbell
DANIEL Grollo has questioned the actions of The Age
in searching his family's details
on a confidential Labor Party database.

Student jailed over sex stabbing frenzy
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 892173-court

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 892173-court

1:31PM Norrie Ross
A STUDENT inflicted 123 stab wounds
on a man he met on a gay dating site
after asking him "did you ever think of dying?", judge says.

Social media led to man's death - judge

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 672523-facebook

Mark Dunn
A KILLER has been sentenced to 21 years jail
for murdering his uncle
after he posted his intentions to kill
online and via text messages.

The Age wins injunction against probe
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 572138-the-age

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 572138-the-age

10:51AM Padraic Murphy
UPDATE 8.30pm:
THE Age has obtained an injunction to stop police officers
seizing equipment, believed to include computers.

Tough day at The Age
April: ALP orders hacking probe
November: Victoria Police probe hacking claims
Guardian accused: Hack claim a beat-up

Evil cyber predator to learn fate
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 322641-woman-online

5:30PM Anthony Dowsley
ONE of Australia's worst cyber criminals
will be sentenced tomorrow for raping,
stalking and grooming vulnerable girls.

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 871590-person-of-the-year

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 871590-person-of-the-year

Time Magazine has named "The Protester"
Evil or Very Mad

‘MUST SPEAK ENGLISH’ LAW IS NOT RACIST
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 290458_1

In a High Court review Mr Justice Beatson dismissed the case

Saturday December 17,2011
By Anil Dawar

A LAW forcing immigrant spouses to speak English before entering Britain
was ruled legitimate yesterday.

Three claimants tried to get the rule overturned, arguing it
interfered with their right to a married life and was racist and discriminatory.

But in a High Court review Mr Justice Beatson dismissed the case, saying
the rule is rational and that even if it does affect married couple’s
lives, it does not override Britain’s right to protect its interests.

Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK said:
“Perhaps we are seeing the dawn of common sense in these immigration cases.”

And Ukip MEP Gerard Batten called the ruling a rare “victory for common sense”.

One of the claimants was British-born Rashida Chapti, 54, whose Indian
husband of 37 years and father of her six children cannot join her in
Leicester because he cannot speak English. She said she plans to appeal.

The other claimants are a couple from Pakistan and another from the Yemen.

Perhaps we are seeing the dawn of common sense
in these immigration cases.
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 ApostropheRight

Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK

The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants said:
“In countries experiencing conflict, poverty, natural disasters,
and political instability, it can be difficult to acquire linguistic skills
prior to arrival in the UK.”

The judicial review was conducted in Birmingham.
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 832261

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 832261

Dutch Abuse Thousands Of Children
Institutional Dutch abuse 'affected thousands'

sarius wrote:

The report also estimates that one in 10 Dutch children have
suffered some form of abuse,
rising to one in five among those who had attended an institution - regardless of whether it was Catholic.

I think someone should
investigate the Dutch first of all. 1 in 5 wtf?

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=194031

...and when "they" say 'Catholic' "they" KNOW the world 'thinks' Christian,
whereas I've STRESSED again and again, that there ARE GOOD and bad
IN ALL, including, THANK GOD, MANY GOOD, AND REPENTANT among 'the bad',
as PROVEN by how many of the 'well hidden' EVIL, ARE BEING REVEALED.

112 arrested in online child porn bust
by:From correspondents in The Hague
From:AFP
December 16, 2011
10:38PM

POLICE in 22 European countries have arrested 112 suspects for
allegedly sharing online videos of children being sexually abused and
raped, policing agency Europol says.

"So far in 22 countries we have identified 269 suspects with 112
arrests", Europol's director Rob Wainwright said at a press conference
at Europol's headquarters in The Hague today.

"The operation targeted those sharing
the most extreme forms of video material,
which included
babies and toddlers
being sexually abused and raped," he said.

"A lot of the material seized during the house searches is awaiting
forensic examination in order to support follow-up investigations and
possible prosecution of offenders," he said.

In March, police in several countries arrested scores of alleged
members of an online paedophile ring and rescued 230 children
in what Europol called at the time "the biggest case of its kind"
in a network that at one point had almost
70,000 members worldwide.
David Icke's Official Forums Statistics
Threads: 176,747, Posts: 3,363,214,
Members: 64,804

...yeah, I'm not 'playing' anymore...unlike "Billy Ruben" STILL PLAYING IN FILTH,
STILL TEXTING ME to "notice HIM/THEM", long ago tagged, and let loose to lead
JUSTICE to "THEIR" lairs...

...I played The Song of Redemption long enough...
...time to dance to the demise of the irredeemable...

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 2803512470

oh dear, now they have removed "Join DATES",
leaving ONLY 'A' Month...all the easier to RE-write
"history"...

...and yet STILL NO REVIEWS of D.ICKe in MELBOURNE,
in 2011...
...bits posted, AFTER end of Oct. 2011
(when D.ICKe wa supposed to have been and GONE)
OF D.ICKe'S 2009 "show"...lots BEFORE Oct. 2011,
SPRUIKING D.ICKe'S 2011 "shows"...

atlantis7
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=189613
07-11-2011, 08:02 PM
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Icon14

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Icon14

Icke in NZ :-)

It was grate event in Auckland! Thank you David - just about couldnt
believe how much energy you have! and the best of it all there were
people from young to old from all background - quite a few scientists :-)

...so how do 'they' KNOW THE BACKGROUND of the audience...
...and WHAT RIGHT do 'they' have, to KNOW and BOAST?
Was giving away personal details and permission to ABuse it,
part of/THE PURPOSE of GATHERING FOLLOWERS?

STILL NOTHING, and as expected, treated as a NON-Issue at HPANWO,
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
(but of course, "they" do find it important to attack me for asking Rolling Eyes

)
like everywhere else, that is full of those who, while claiming to be,
"Anti-Icke" are heavily invested in selling the New Age Religious Garbage,
that David Icke spruiks.
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 449107794

What IS CLEAR to anyone who reads with basic comprehension, is:

"Sheeba" is a "Saffie cross", USED as a "poster child" FOR THE RSPCA
to GET OTHER PEOPLES MONEY, that PAID FOR her care,
BEFORE she was re-homed, in good health.

"POPPY" is my DEERHOUND, who I BOUGHT "IN THAT CONDITION"
and FUNDED HER RECOVERY, and DO ALL THE WORK MYSELF.
Others think POPPY IS IN "GREAT CONDITION" now.
I know she still has far to go, before she's all she could be.

And, "you" are NOTHING.

...and if people still wonder why the On Line "community",
PARTICULARLY those who peddle
Ickest Type/New Age/OLD LIE RELIGIONS,
THE MOST CRUEL and EVIL of people who FORCE Feed the wold
BITTER WORMWOOD, work so hard at "demonising" those of us
who THANK GOD for surviving "them",
BY CARING FOR THE SMALL, WEAK, VOICELESS and POWERLESS,
AND WITNESSING,
THE REAL LIFE SAVING GRACE of GOD, that feeds The Spirit with
The SWEET JOYS of LIFE...

true lilly wrote:Nanny state rules drive us mad

Alex White
ANIMAL owners, charities
and even the Scouts
have become the target
of wacky council bylaws
and ratepayers
have had enough.

To quote "tintin", it's all connected".
To quote "tintin", "it's all connected".

Wild dogs fear on missing jail chief
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 111400-dingoes

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 111400-dingoes

Jon Kaila
POLICE are unlikely to find missing
prison governor David Prideaux
because his remains may have
been disturbed by wild dogs.

Horsin' around on the Howqua
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 757907-howqua

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 757907-howqua

A BIT of horseplay in the beautiful
Howqua River seemed the perfect
way for Riddells Creek's Jessica
Mansas to spend a day in the High
Country.

Horsin' around on the Howqua
From:Sunday Herald Sun
December 18, 2011
12:00AM
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 758524-howqua

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 758524-howqua

Jessica Mansas from Riddells Creek rides Lancaster across the Howqua. Picture: Zoe Phillips Sunday Herald Sun

A BIT of horseplay in the beautiful Howqua River seemed the perfect
way for Riddells Creek's Jessica Mansas to spend a day in the High
Country.

Ms Mansas, 22, and her horse, Lancaster, frollicked in the icy waters of the Howqua
and she said: "It was the first time I've taken him up there and he took to it like
a real bush pony."

true lilly Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:20 pm

People smugglers prey on new arrivals
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/people-smugglers-preying-on-new-arrivals/story-fn7x8me2-1226230797939

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 797687-christmas-island

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 797687-christmas-island

Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

Editorial: Boats continue to set sail

true lilly wrote:Can't fight for your own country? We want you

THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.

A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.

The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.

Billy Ruben Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:55 pm

You want a bloody fuckin’ spam war,I’ll give you a spam war,Biatch,laughing at you.

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:TINTIN SAYS HE IS GOD: HIS thread THE BIBLE! Views: 431

"tintin": an insight. Views: 2837

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA Views: 14,705

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election Views: 3338

"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES. Views: 518

TERRORIST and other CODED posts on DAVID ICKE FORUM Views: 1947

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES Views: 745

WHO'S "WE", PALEFACE?
CORI HAS ORDERED DEATH TO EVERYONE Views: 825

HEY CORI YOU BIATCH Views: 5102

Take Heed... Views: 2334

22,000+++ Views for true lilly... Views: 294

Why true lilly's thread of near 9000 VIEWS was LOCKED Views:478

Lily Ponds and Marshland Views: 2356

Nurses gagged, afraid of management Views: 919

Apocalypse=REVELATION, NOT 'the end of the world'...Views: 1073

And the purpose of this spam,what to highlight your obsessive compulsiveness to bump your own threads,WOW!!!!,Suzy Ryan,you're just amazing.

So,how come the last two months of spammed links,that say absolutely nothing,without any replies from others,have a readership,less than ten views,all of which are yours?
Hmmmmmmmm,you see,regardless that you despise me,you rely on folks like me to help your readership.That's why I was ignoring you tonight,which drove you crazy,then you lied and here's the result of your actions.

You make me hard...

Quick,look over your shoulder,it's the David Vincent monster,Rawrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote: Still not a shred of evidence,
but another string of very badly timed lies...
...to what, 'give cred.' to "his" 'word'???

So,what was it like getting banned at HPANWO.I was besides myself laughing,knowing you'll never be able to leave here and spread your wings.And to see Handbag get riled up about you,when only a month before you joined he said you were more than welcome at HPANWO...But I knew better.

Just you pride yourself on the internet,Mmmmm,your god doesn't like pride.You should learn to be a good God Spammer,not an evil one.
It's a novelty having you at Sodlike,but under my rule,you'll do as exactly as you're told.And I LOVE the thought of that...I could really FAP to it.

Hmmm,Novelty,watcha ya gonna do when the novelty is gone....Ian Curtis again.

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

I must say though Suzy Ryan,if it wasn't for you,I wouldn't know how to use half the functions here,or learn the new art of SPAM.You never know,this lunatic fringe could be marketed for alot of money and find a nice niche for mental patients to have fun with,we'll see,when I take over this place and make it a true menagerie for the twisted,just like you.

Billy Ruben wrote:

blowjob time,back in 40....
Still nothing.

well,I'm a bit of a stayer....and it's been a long 48 hours since my last one.Oh,you were saying,oh,that's right.

Now you raised a lie I must confront.
David Icke duped me into being a spruiker...For him???
Are you fucking mad as well as a liar?
Icke couldn't stand a thing I write these days.Now why would the man want a drug addled basket case spruiking for him?
Does it look good for Icke to have a heavy percentage of his supporters,as well as his enemies all to be basket cases of some sort.Most I talked to at DIF were ADHD or Hyperactive,Bi-Polar or Manic Depressive,or just plain schizo like you.
I don't spruik for Icke and did that thread by influence from another,as well as to shit you and Sod off,like you do to me...so go fuck yourself Suzy spastic schizoid Ryan.

I don't care,nor give a fuck.Now does that answer your question you doggie girl????

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:after waiting more than an hour for me to "pop my lolly",she logs off.Hehehehehe,must've burnt her to find I really started the thread just to shit her off and she was hoping to flip it somehow,thinking she can offend me with insulting Icke.

Icke lives in Blighty,or the UK for others.If he can't get over being laughed at by the Wogan show,or the pisstakes down at the pub,then fucking move.He's pommy English,he should be used to back-stabbing,whiney cockney tongues,that's their culture,whinge and whine about everyone and everything.That's why Aussies call them "Whinging Pommes".He's a big boy and doesn't need me to hold his hand or spruik for him,That's what the moderators are for.We have a differing opinion there,but that's the way Sean runs the game and I never agreed with his ways.It's about psychology,not product placement and if they can't accept that,to bad.What forums do I write for,all of them except for David Icke Forums,or DIF as it's known here.

Happy now?
Fucking lying toad of a woman you are Suzy....No-one owns Billy Ruben/Thelyran or David Vincent,get that through your deluded head...one day Suzy,we'll meet and I will slap your face open handedly,Laugh all you like,have your two sons there too...get it.

I suppose that blows your rumours,lies and theories out of the water you discuss behind the scenes there Suzy old Girl.

I always know,it's just when I want to pull the plug on your lunacy and show you up to the others you lie too.Not everyone is connected and part of your secret,sick,sad world.

If you're so brave and honest,go on,post a modern photo of yourself with a clear picture of your eyes...and yes,you are'nt no show pony,probably blown a few,but you never were,what you call desireable.It's not for that reason.So in advance,don't flatter yourself,like you always do,champion breeder.

*Hint*

I mention the name Suzy Ryan...the laughter on the other end of the line,you're an open joke and an open sewer Suzy Ryan.So don't think I'm not to well informed.

true lilly Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Explosions rock anti-mafia priest's center in Italy
From:AFP
December 27, 2011
9:37AM

A PAIR of explosions Monday (local time)
rocked a center for immigrant children
run by an anti-mafia priest in southern Italy,
local officials said, adding that no one was injured.

One of the blasts slightly damaged part of the building in Lamezia Terme,
a town with historic ties to the Calabrian mafia, known as the 'Ndrangheta.

The four-story building has since 2004 been used as a center for disabled people
run by Father Giacomo Panizza, who has struggled for years against the mafia.

"This seems like a very clear message," said the priest, known locally as Don Panizza.
He said he has received previous death threats from the powerful crime syndicate.

Last year, Panizza added an immigrant children's center to his building. The building
had been previously confiscated from the 'Ndrangheta after the group used it as a front
for drug trafficking.

Related Coverage

Italian mafia boss captured in bunker Herald Sun, 8 Dec 2011
Fugitive mafia boss dug out of hiding The Australian, 8 Dec 2011
Milan court jails Mafia gang bosses Foundation, 21 Nov 2011
Major mafia trial sees 110 convicted Herald Sun, 20 Nov 2011
Italy train on ex-Mafia pitch FoxSports, 14 Nov 2011

Panizza is respected across Italy for his social work and struggle against organized crime.

true lilly wrote:
People smugglers prey on new arrivals
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/people-smugglers-preying-on-new-arrivals/story-fn7x8me2-1226230797939

Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

Editorial: Boats continue to set sail
true lilly wrote:Can't fight for your own country? We want you
THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers,
sailors and air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries
in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.

A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.

The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.

true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324
...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.

Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to,
One VERY big 'hint'
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined: 13-March 06

Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.
The Terms of Service

tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of AUSTRALIA.
Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.

The road to OZ....

The Golden Road...

California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.

From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.

true lilly Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:50 am

Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars.

It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.

Japan eases self-imposed arms export ban
From:AFP
December 27, 2011 8:42PM

TOKYO has eased a decades-old self-imposed ban on arms exports,
paving the way for Japanese firms to participate in multinational
weapons projects.

In a move intended to bolster the domestic arms industry and
reduce national defence spending, officially pacifist Japan will for
the first time in decades routinely allow its companies to partner with
foreign firms to develop weapons.

"Under the new standards, Japan will be able to transport military equipment
for missions of peace-building and international co-operation," Foreign Minister
Koichiro Gemba told reporters today.

"This will mean that Japan can now address
international peace co-operation
and global challenges such as terrorism and piracy
more proactively and effectively."
Japan, whose industries took many years to recover from the devastation of
World War II, declared in 1967 that it would very tightly control its
foreign weapons sales.

Related Coverage

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ALP Left concedes defeat on uranium ban Herald Sun, 15 Nov 2011
Labor's Left not swayed by PM's India move Herald Sun, 15 Nov 2011
Japan to boost ties on arms, security Foundation, 30 Sep 2011

At the height of the Cold War, then prime minister Eisaku Sato said
Tokyo would not sell armaments to communist states, countries directly
engaged in international conflicts, or nations under UN arms embargoes.

The restrictions were further tightened in 1976 when Japan said all exports
would be subject to stringent rules that effectively barred all weapon sales.

A limited number of exceptions were subsequently made for technological
co-operation projects such as missile defence with the United States, Japan's
cornerstone security ally.

The new rules will allow Japan to develop and produce arms jointly with the US
and European countries and to export military equipment for peaceful and
humanitarian purposes such as UN peace-keeping operations.

Tokyo will also be allowed to provide defensive equipment, such as helmets and
bullet-proof vests, to the limited number of countries in which its Self-Defence Forces
are deployed.

Critics of the ban say it was a Cold War relic that has resulted in Japan's military
hardware capability becoming outdated,while increasingly assertive regional rival
China continues to spend heavily on defence technology.

But supporters say any move to expand Tokyo's military reach, however limited,
is likely to rankle in Beijing and Seoul, where Japan's wartime aggression remains
a sensitive subject.

true lilly wrote:SECOND HOLE FOUND in BOAT OFF ANTARCTICA
Second hole found in boat off Antarctica
Posted 6 hours 51 minutes ago | Updated 5 hours 23 minutes ago
Updated December 27, 2011 19:12:36
A second hole has been found in
a stricken Russian fishing boat in Antarctic waters,
but rescuers said they were making good progress
with repairs and the vessel should be seaworthy
by Wednesday.

Photo:
The Sparta is trapped in waters in the Ross Sea, close to the Antarctic ice shelf. (Reuters/United States Air Force)
Topics: maritime, antarctica, russian-federation, new-zealand

Tour of Titanic, two by two
27 December 2011

Tourists will be shown resting place of the Titanic (EPA)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/tourism/8978861/Tour-of-Titanic-two-by-two.html
Tuesday 27 December 2011

Curbs on Antarctic tourism

Plans to limit tourism in Antarctic
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5140141/Plans-to-limit-tourism-in-Antarctic.html
The number of tourists visiting Antarctica could be restricted
under British plans, amid fears that the increase in cruise ships in the
area threatens to cause irreparable damage to the continent's pristine
environment.

The regulations could see limits on the number of ships and landings,
and restrictions on how close they come to shore Photo: AFP

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
9:00PM BST 11 Apr 2009

Holiday trips to the Antarctica have quadrupled in the past decade and last
year more than 46,000 people visited the land mass and surrounding oceans.

However, safety fears and concerns about the impact visitors are having on the
delicate frozen landscape have soared and members of the Antarctic Treaty –
an agreement between 28 nations, including the UK, on the use of the
continent – are now meeting to discuss ways to regulate tourism.

British officials are seeking to establish a "strategic agreement for
tourism" around the south pole. If successful, it will see treaty
members introduce new measures to improve the safety of tourist trips, while
also reducing the impact that visitors will have on the environment.

The regulations could see limits on the number of ships and landings,
restrictions on how close they come to shore, a ban on building tourist
facilities and hotels on the continent, and rules on waste discharges from
ships.

The British resolution has been tabled at the 32nd Antarctic Treaty
Consultative Meeting, in Baltimore, USA. The fortnight-long talks mark the
50th anniversary of the Antarctic Treaty, which forced countries to put
aside their territorial claims on the continent and instead concentrate on
scientific study.

Related Articles
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Gillian Merron, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office minister who attended the
start of the talks last week, told The Sunday Telegraph: "We do want to
see people visiting the Antarctic, but we want them to do it in a safe and
environmentally responsible way. We want to manage and protect the area.

“This is very much a first stage, but if we can get an agreement that in the
first instance we need that environmentally responsible policy, we can then
move on to what that will actually entail.

"What it will ensure is that visitors in the future will be able to
experience the continent in all its beauty and its wilderness without
spoiling it.

"We have to agree to address questions like what can be built in
Antarctic, if anything? Should we allow hotels or not? Would tourists be
allowed to wander around or not? In what order should they visit sites? If
you restrict them to the same sites, what damage does that cause?"

The British proposal has already received support from US Secretary for State
Hillary Clinton who opened the meeting on Monday and the US has tabled its
own resolutions on managing tourism.

More than 400 diplomats will now spend this week discussing the plans
alongside other issues, including environmental protection and the
advancement of science in the Antarctic.

As many of the tourist ships that operate in Antarctica are registered in
countries that are not members of the Antarctic Treaty, they are not subject
to any decisions made and so can get away with having less stringent safety
regulations.

Officials have also asked the International Maritime Organisation, which
regulates global shipping, to draw up new guidelines for shipping around the
Antarctic, including new rules on the use of heavy fuel oil, which could
cause widespread damage in the event of a leak.

Senator Clinton said: “The United States is concerned about the safety of the
tourists and the suitability of the ships that make the journey south.

“We have submitted a resolution that would place limits on landings from ships
carrying large numbers of tourists. We have also proposed new requirements
for lifeboats on tourists ships to make sure they can keep passengers alive
until rescue comes.

“And we urge greater international co-operation to prevent discharges from
these ships that will further degrade the environment around the Antarctica.”

Until recently, the Antarctic has been mainly occupied by teams of
international scientists studying the ice and wildlife in the region, along
with military personnel at a few scattered bases.

Unlike the Artic, Antarctica has no indigenous human population despite
covering an area of more than 5 million square miles, nearly one and half
times the size of the USA.

Humans only began to live there in 1897 with the establishment of a winter
station by explorers.

Growing access, however, has seen the number of people visiting the icy
continent increase dramatically. Tour operators now offer “ecotourists” the
chance to see the stunning wilderness and species such as whales and
penguins.

In 1990 Antarctica was visited by just 5,000 tourists, but by 2006/07 the
number had grown to 37,552 while the following year saw a 22 per cent
increase to 46,069.

Many experts argue, however, that it is inappropriate to bring tourists, who
pay around £5,000 for a cruise, to such an inhospitable and remote part of
the world, which is too far for rescue helicopters to easily reach.

At the end of 2007, 154 passengers and crew, including 24 Britons, were forced
to abandon ship after an iceberg ripped a hole in the side of their 2,400
ton cruise ship the M/S Explorer and it sank, leaking oil into the ocean.

The passengers spent six hours shivering in lifeboats in temperatures of -5C
after the Liberian-registered cruise ship sank 75 miles north of Antarctic
coast.

In February this year, another cruise liner the MV Ocean Nova, ran aground
carrying 64 passengers, who had to be rescued while the 41 crew attempted to
dislodge the Bahamas-registered liner at high tide.

The MV Ushuaia, a Panama-registered ship with 122 passengers aboard, also ran
aground in December.

Although these accidents involved relatively small ships that had specially
strengthened hulls to offer some protection against the dangers of icebergs,
larger cruise liners without such protection, often carrying up to 3,000
passengers, also venture into Antarctic waters.

Scientists also fear that the rise in tourism to Antarctica and its
surrounding islands, which harbour many rare species, risks unwittingly
introducing foreign pests and diseases such as rats, insects and plants
could devastate the delicate ecosystem.

John Shears, head of environment and information at the British Antarctic
Survey who is attending the treaty meeting, said scientists had been
monitoring the impact on tourists on gentoo penguins at Port Lockroy on the
Antarctic Peninsula.

He said: "Although the area is heavily visited, we have found that
provided the tourists are properly managed and controlled while they are
ashore, then the impact is actually minimal.

"If there was to be a big accident, however, there is not just an issue
in terms of safety of life, but also in terms of pollution control,
particularly as most of the cruise ships are sailing close to shore."

___________________________________________
Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars.

It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.

And it's all there, for anyone to figure out, by simply
reading what God's Word DESCRIBES of ALL the world,
ALL the earth and ALL peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING,
instead of trying to cram HIS ETERNAL PERSPECTIVE
into a very limited TIME ('line') and ('fixed' instead of)
SHIFTING LOCATIONS.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Deu&c=1&t=KJV#7

sharky Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:26 pm

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Icky

DARKNESS WITHIN: Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists at the heart of Occupy Melbourne protest

http://www.vexnews.com/2011/10/darkness-within-neo-nazi-conspiracy-theorists-at-the-heart-of-occupy-melbourne-protest/

VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos, a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.

Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.

Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.

MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean up.

If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.

Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.

A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.

POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at community events and has alienated many community groups in inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag, declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.

Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:

“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting record profits.”

But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1% in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense. He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge ComCar.

He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.

And who could blame him?

KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the words they preach.

That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”. In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly “diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.

But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”

If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being frauds of the most outrageous kind.

WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go out on the job.

Yep, it’s the Police.

They are working people.

But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:

“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”

They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”

It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.

It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.

A key Occupy Melbourne organiser was Tina Athanasopoulos. She set up its Facebook page, gave interviews on 3CR representing them and so on.

And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?

She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.

David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to Wikipedia:

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie

Ominously:

According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias, and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view of the radical right virtually intact.

and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:

In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903, which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)

These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have – hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.

wat to go Icke Reichmeister.............. thumbs up

true lilly Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:44 pm

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 888898

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 888898

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws

by:Jessica Marszalek
From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 345583-julia-gillard-tim-mathieson-federal-election-2010

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 345583-julia-gillard-tim-mathieson-federal-election-2010

Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.

Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.

It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.

Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.

There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.

28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 888898

true lilly Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:45 pm

true lilly wrote:IT BEGINS....
true lilly wrote:CAN'T FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
WE WANT YOU.
Can't fight for your own country? We want you

THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.

A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.

The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
Billy Ruben wrote:I
was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour
warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health
act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5
days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me
away after the hoax rape fiasco.

Of course I was sane,even the
nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt
with a patient a victim of the same group.

But don't say I didn't
warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and
maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe
laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker
in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting
needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.

Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This
part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and
snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my
job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.

And I know
you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent
your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.

Now,enjoy
the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I
will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of
course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I
love you.

true lilly wrote:
MRS SARABJIT PALMER!!! wrote:Yes !!!!!!!!! Yes
!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!! Make MRS TISWAS PALMER a ModerAtor OF Sodlike
Productions MR SODLIKE!!!!!!! yOU NEED A STRONG WILLED PERSON HERE aND
MRS TISWAS PALMER IS hard wHen it come to the strap adiCktome nights
WITH BARRY.

true lilly wrote:NO.
So I expect it.

Well 'you' can only spam over so much Real World News
that 'you' 'all' abuse me for asking folk to THINK about.

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws

by:Jessica Marszalek
From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments

Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.

Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.

It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.

Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.

There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.

28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

true lilly wrote:TV ban on asylum seekers
by:The Australian
From:The Australian
December 28, 2011
12:12AM

TV stations may be banned from showing images of asylum seekers*
arriving in Australia by boat, The Australian reported today.

New rules handed down by the Australian Communications and Media
Authority restrict what can be broadcast, after lobbying from the
Immigration Department.

Under the changes, a person's *privacy would be protected
even if they were filmed in a public place.

The rules would mean that broadcasting images of *asylum seekers arriving
in Australian waters by boat might be stopped, the newspaper said.

PEOPLE SMUGGLERS PREY ON NEW ARRIVALS
People smugglers prey on new arrivals

Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.
Editorial: Boats continue to set sail
true lilly wrote:Last Updated: December 28, 2011
TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES AHEAD
Tough economic times ahead

Stephen McMahon
THE tidal wave of bad news
that has engulfed the global economy
in the past six months is
expected to worsen in early 2012.

BRITAIN AT RISK OF TUMBLING
Britain at risk of tumbling

Stephen McMahon
BRITAIN is in danger of becoming
the latest European casualty
with a warning it risks tumbling into
a "double dip" recession next year.

AUSSIE WAGES LURE RECORD NUMBER OF KIWIS
Aussie wages lure record number of Kiwis

NUMBER of Kiwis setting up home in Australia
hits an all-time high,
with nearly 1000 people a week crossing the ditch.
It Began,
LONG BEFORE May 2008...
true lilly wrote:Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia
true lilly wrote:It's About Time
Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1G-TsdNWGg&feature=related
Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia
true lilly wrote:Professor Bill Collins devises
'billion-year perspective'
to pinpoint minerals
From:AAP
December 27, 2011
12:24AMAN Australian scientist says he has found a way
to make it easier to locate valuable minerals.

Professor Bill Collins, of the University of Newcastle's School of Environmental and
Life Sciences, says he has devised a new "billion-year perspective" that examines
the way the Earth was constructed over the past 2000 million years.
The information can be used to try to pinpoint the location
of potential mineral deposits.

"We can use continental drift and other techniques
to track the continents back through time," Prof Collins said today.

"It is like a big jigsaw puzzle
with bits and pieces of continents
ripping off one landmass
and transferring to another."
Prof Collins believes the Pacific Rim
contains many copper and gold deposits.

Examining geological information contained in tiny grains of zircon,
which is common in the crust of the Earth, has also given him a new way
to find where the ancient "Pacific Rims" were.

"Many of the ancient margins are now within the continental interior.
This is where the copper and gold reserves will be hidden."
Prof Collins said the ability to predict prospective terrains,
both under the surface and in the highest geological layers,
will be the biggest benefit of his research.
Oh, we know why "you legion" regularly read my posts,
and made me a little cave to post them in.

However, the quality of the readership is not the issue,
but that for close to 7 years, they've continued to be read,
by both, non-replying, independently thinking readers, and,
the same Professional Trolls, who have attacked me with the
same bald faced lies, from the beginning.

And the only thing you all have in common, is interest in a
real world, world view, that other's aren't paying attention to.
Some, to do good with what that view reveals, others, to do ill.

So I don't post much of anything anymore, and stick mainly to
the front pages of the popular news when I do, and then, without
much commentary, if any at all.

And dang if the fools don't still find ways to hang themselves, by
fishing for 'what I mean (by what someone else wrote)',
and/or attacking me for what they
'think I mean (by what someone else wrote)'.
Even when I post news that they generally agree with,
they still manage to excuse attacking me anyway.

It's called, "Today's News and Current Affairs", and I post some
that cover topics worthy of full and free consideration, with links
to quoted sources, for readers to further explore the topics from.
true lilly wrote:
Tuesday 27 December 2011

Curbs on Antarctic tourism

Plans to limit tourism in Antarctic
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5140141/Plans-to-limit-tourism-in-Antarctic.html
The number of tourists visiting Antarctica could be restricted
under British plans, amid fears that the increase in cruise ships in the
area threatens to cause irreparable damage to the continent's pristine
environment.

Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars.

It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.

Japan eases self-imposed arms export ban
From:AFP
December 27, 2011 8:42PM

TOKYO has eased a decades-old self-imposed ban on arms exports,
paving the way for Japanese firms to participate in multinational
weapons projects.

In a move intended to bolster the domestic arms industry and
reduce national defence spending, officially pacifist Japan will for
the first time in decades routinely allow its companies to partner with
foreign firms to develop weapons.

"Under the new standards, Japan will be able to transport military equipment
for missions of peace-building and international co-operation," Foreign Minister
Koichiro Gemba told reporters today.

"This will mean that Japan can now address
international peace co-operation
and global challenges such as terrorism and piracy
more proactively and effectively."
Japan, whose industries took many years to recover from the devastation of
World War II, declared in 1967 that it would very tightly control its
foreign weapons sales.

Related Coverage

Japan picks F-35 as new fighter - reports Herald Sun, 6 days ago
The big bucks theory of uranium Adelaide Now, 19 Nov 2011
ALP Left concedes defeat on uranium ban Herald Sun, 15 Nov 2011
Labor's Left not swayed by PM's India move Herald Sun, 15 Nov 2011
Japan to boost ties on arms, security Foundation, 30 Sep 2011

At the height of the Cold War, then prime minister Eisaku Sato said
Tokyo would not sell armaments to communist states, countries directly
engaged in international conflicts, or nations under UN arms embargoes.

The restrictions were further tightened in 1976 when Japan said all exports
would be subject to stringent rules that effectively barred all weapon sales.

A limited number of exceptions were subsequently made for technological
co-operation projects such as missile defence with the United States, Japan's
cornerstone security ally.

The new rules will allow Japan to develop and produce arms jointly with the US
and European countries and to export military equipment for peaceful and
humanitarian purposes such as UN peace-keeping operations.

Tokyo will also be allowed to provide defensive equipment, such as helmets and
bullet-proof vests, to the limited number of countries in which its Self-Defence Forces
are deployed.

Critics of the ban say it was a Cold War relic that has resulted in Japan's military
hardware capability becoming outdated,while increasingly assertive regional rival
China continues to spend heavily on defence technology.

But supporters say any move to expand Tokyo's military reach, however limited,
is likely to rankle in Beijing and Seoul, where Japan's wartime aggression remains
a sensitive subject.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324
...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.

Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to,
One VERY big 'hint'
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined: 13-March 06

Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.
The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of AUSTRALIA.
Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.

The road to OZ....

The Golden Road...
California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.

From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.

true lilly Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:04 pm

You do realize how MANY DANGEROUS roads, seas and borders
these 'asylum seekers' HAVE TO ESCAPE, OUT of AND INTO,
to 'escape' the HOMElands they are 'claiming' to need asylum from,
before they make it to their TARGET COUNTRY, AUSTRALIA,
O'Zion.

Australian 'Mr X' sought over asylum boat tragedy
by:AAP
From:AAP
December 30, 2011
9:29AM
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Skynews_2954184

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Skynews_2954184

Watch
Aust man sought over asylum boat tragedy

Australian man accused of involvement with organisers of the overloaded asylum boat that sank off Java.
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 359718-boat-tragedy

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 359718-boat-tragedy

Indonesian
police carry a young boy who survived the boat tragedy. The boat was
heavily overloaded with Afghan and Iranian asylum-seekers. Picture: AFP AdelaideNow

AN Australian has been accused of involvement with organisers of the
overloaded asylum seeker boat that sank this month killing as many as
200 people.

Indonesian police spokesman Saud Usman Nasution has told Fairfax
newspapers that investigators have given the name of the man to
Australian Federal Police after several survivors identified him.

"We have passed on the name of the Australian man - Mr X - to the AFP
to follow up," Inspector-General Nasution said.

But an AFP spokeswoman told Fairfax that
"the AFP has not received a referral from the Indonesian national police".

"The AFP has made no arrests in relation to this matter
and this is a matter for the Indonesian authorities," she said.

Told of the AFP comments, General Nasution insisted the name
had been passed on and the investigation was a joint effort by
both countries' law enforcement agencies.

Four Indonesian soldiers have been detained for their involvement
with two local owners of small boats used to ferry the asylum seekers to
their "mother ship" at sea, but there have been reports indicating more
security personnel and officials were involved.

General Nasution said multiple suspects had been identified in Indonesia and in
"countries of origin", understood to be Pakistan and Iran.

true
lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:First a cup of tea,then I make
your life miserable old slag.I know you love it,you have nothing of
value to say.Hide away yesterday?Really think I'm joking about reporting
you Suzy Ryan...I did.

Is "tintin" still alive?
Well, it's been a while since I've read 'Aarnout van der Plooge/tintin's' 'voice'
in 'his' posts, and some really big things happened around those times he
'went away' and would come back with different 'voices'.

You know, the really big things that I posted on
and the rest of The CONspiracy Industry ignored,
as 'they' do when it shows 'them' for what 'they' are.
true lilly wrote:I tried to post this to make my ICKEST=TEAM TINTIN KILLER Point - A
PICTURE PAINTS A THOUSAND WORDS...THE ICKEST 'lions' PLAN TO DEVOUR
AUSTRALIANS... SO 'they' ARE SLAVING TO CONvince THE WORLD of THE FILTHY
LIE that, WE OF O'Zion "AREN'T HUMAN"...!!! http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246
true lilly wrote:IT BEGINS....
true lilly wrote:CAN'T FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
WE WANT YOU.
Can't fight for your own country? We want you

THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.

A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.

The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
Billy Ruben wrote:I
was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour
warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health
act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5
days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me
away after the hoax rape fiasco.

Of course I was sane,even the
nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt
with a patient a victim of the same group.

But don't say I didn't
warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and
maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe
laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker
in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting
needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.

Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This
part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and
snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my
job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.

And I know
you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent
your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.

Now,enjoy
the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I
will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of
course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I
love you.

true lilly wrote:
MRS SARABJIT PALMER!!! wrote:Yes !!!!!!!!! Yes
!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!! Make MRS TISWAS PALMER a ModerAtor OF Sodlike
Productions MR SODLIKE!!!!!!! yOU NEED A STRONG WILLED PERSON HERE aND
MRS TISWAS PALMER IS hard wHen it come to the strap adiCktome nights
WITH BARRY.

true lilly wrote:NO.
So I expect it.

Well 'you' can only spam over so much Real World News
that 'you' 'all' abuse me for asking folk to THINK about.

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws

by:Jessica Marszalek
From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments

Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.

Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.

It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.

Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.

There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.

28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

true lilly wrote:TV ban on asylum seekers
by:The Australian
From:The Australian
December 28, 2011
12:12AM

TV stations may be banned from showing images of asylum seekers*
arriving in Australia by boat, The Australian reported today.

New rules handed down by the Australian Communications and Media
Authority restrict what can be broadcast, after lobbying from the
Immigration Department.

Under the changes, a person's *privacy would be protected
even if they were filmed in a public place.

The rules would mean that broadcasting images of *asylum seekers arriving
in Australian waters by boat might be stopped, the newspaper said.

PEOPLE SMUGGLERS PREY ON NEW ARRIVALS
People smugglers prey on new arrivals

Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.
Editorial: Boats continue to set sail
true lilly wrote:Last Updated: December 28, 2011
TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES AHEAD
Tough economic times ahead

Stephen McMahon
THE tidal wave of bad news
that has engulfed the global economy
in the past six months is
expected to worsen in early 2012.

BRITAIN AT RISK OF TUMBLING
Britain at risk of tumbling

Stephen McMahon
BRITAIN is in danger of becoming
the latest European casualty
with a warning it risks tumbling into
a "double dip" recession next year.

AUSSIE WAGES LURE RECORD NUMBER OF KIWIS
Aussie wages lure record number of Kiwis

NUMBER of Kiwis setting up home in Australia
hits an all-time high,
with nearly 1000 people a week crossing the ditch.
It Began,
LONG BEFORE May 2008...
true lilly wrote:Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia
true lilly wrote:It's About Time
Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1G-TsdNWGg&feature=related
Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia
true lilly wrote:Professor Bill Collins devises
'billion-year perspective'
to pinpoint minerals
From:AAP
December 27, 2011
12:24AMAN Australian scientist says he has found a way
to make it easier to locate valuable minerals.

Professor Bill Collins, of the University of Newcastle's School of Environmental and
Life Sciences, says he has devised a new "billion-year perspective" that examines
the way the Earth was constructed over the past 2000 million years.
The information can be used to try to pinpoint the location
of potential mineral deposits.

"We can use continental drift and other techniques
to track the continents back through time," Prof Collins said today.

"It is like a big jigsaw puzzle
with bits and pieces of continents
ripping off one landmass
and transferring to another."
Prof Collins believes the Pacific Rim
contains many copper and gold deposits.

Examining geological information contained in tiny grains of zircon,
which is common in the crust of the Earth, has also given him a new way
to find where the ancient "Pacific Rims" were.

"Many of the ancient margins are now within the continental interior.
This is where the copper and gold reserves will be hidden."
Prof Collins said the ability to predict prospective terrains,
both under the surface and in the highest geological layers,
will be the biggest benefit of his research.
Oh, we know why "you legion" regularly read my posts,
and made me a little cave to post them in.

However, the quality of the readership is not the issue,
but that for close to 7 years, they've continued to be read,
by both, non-replying, independently thinking readers, and,
the same Professional Trolls, who have attacked me with the
same bald faced lies, from the beginning.

And the only thing you all have in common, is interest in a
real world, world view, that other's aren't paying attention to.
Some, to do good with what that view reveals, others, to do ill.

So I don't post much of anything anymore, and stick mainly to
the front pages of the popular news when I do, and then, without
much commentary, if any at all.

And dang if the fools don't still find ways to hang themselves, by
fishing for 'what I mean (by what someone else wrote)',
and/or attacking me for what they
'think I mean (by what someone else wrote)'.
Even when I post news that they generally agree with,
they still manage to excuse attacking me anyway.

It's called, "Today's News and Current Affairs", and I post some
that cover topics worthy of full and free consideration, with links
to quoted sources, for readers to further explore the topics from.
true lilly wrote:
Tuesday 27 December 2011

Curbs on Antarctic tourism

Plans to limit tourism in Antarctic
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5140141/Plans-to-limit-tourism-in-Antarctic.html
The number of tourists visiting Antarctica could be restricted
under British plans, amid fears that the increase in cruise ships in the
area threatens to cause irreparable damage to the continent's pristine
environment.

Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars.

It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.

Japan eases self-imposed arms export ban
From:AFP
December 27, 2011 8:42PM

TOKYO has eased a decades-old self-imposed ban on arms exports,
paving the way for Japanese firms to participate in multinational
weapons projects.

In a move intended to bolster the domestic arms industry and
reduce national defence spending, officially pacifist Japan will for
the first time in decades routinely allow its companies to partner with
foreign firms to develop weapons.

"Under the new standards, Japan will be able to transport military equipment
for missions of peace-building and international co-operation," Foreign Minister
Koichiro Gemba told reporters today.

"This will mean that Japan can now address
international peace co-operation
and global challenges such as terrorism and piracy
more proactively and effectively."
Japan, whose industries took many years to recover from the devastation of
World War II, declared in 1967 that it would very tightly control its
foreign weapons sales.

Related Coverage

Japan picks F-35 as new fighter - reports Herald Sun, 6 days ago
The big bucks theory of uranium Adelaide Now, 19 Nov 2011
ALP Left concedes defeat on uranium ban Herald Sun, 15 Nov 2011
Labor's Left not swayed by PM's India move Herald Sun, 15 Nov 2011
Japan to boost ties on arms, security Foundation, 30 Sep 2011
At the height of the Cold War, then prime minister Eisaku Sato said
Tokyo would not sell armaments to communist states, countries directly
engaged in international conflicts, or nations under UN arms embargoes.

The restrictions were further tightened in 1976 when Japan said all exports
would be subject to stringent rules that effectively barred all weapon sales.

A limited number of exceptions were subsequently made for technological
co-operation projects such as missile defence with the United States, Japan's
cornerstone security ally.

The new rules will allow Japan to develop and produce arms jointly with the US
and European countries and to export military equipment for peaceful and
humanitarian purposes such as UN peace-keeping operations.

Tokyo will also be allowed to provide defensive equipment, such as helmets and
bullet-proof vests, to the limited number of countries in which its Self-Defence Forces
are deployed.

Critics of the ban say it was a Cold War relic that has resulted in Japan's military
hardware capability becoming outdated,while increasingly assertive regional rival
China continues to spend heavily on defence technology.

But supporters say any move to expand Tokyo's military reach, however limited,
is likely to rankle in Beijing and Seoul, where Japan's wartime aggression remains
a sensitive subject.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324
...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.

Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to,
One VERY big 'hint'
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined: 13-March 06

Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.
The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of AUSTRALIA.
Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.

The road to OZ....

The Golden Road...
California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.

From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.

Billy Ruben Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:05 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
Hi shitbag scumbucket.Cause you were spiteful spamming unrelate crap this morning and my little modem packed in,I just had a friend/connection replace modem,line filter,all chords and Now I'm going to be a bastard and spam the fuck out of this place.Sod was warned and he can't do shit about it,so suck my dick you dog raping,child porn freak...and you admitted you have child porn and JD John Drake/Droike plays moral card one day and defends a known and self confessed pervert the next day.Enjoy the Federal Police babe,cause they're next babe...FUCK YOU BITCH !!!!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:
I was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5 days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me away after the hoax rape fiasco.

Of course I was sane,even the nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt with a patient a victim of the same group.

But don't say I didn't warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.

Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.

And I know you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.

Now,enjoy the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I love you.

Billy Ruben wrote:
And when you decide to take a long stroll or go shopping,it's best to have every time-table for buses and trains,like I did.I escaped and went home for bongs,sex and real food.And a shower I did'nt need to wear footwear in.Seeing this horrible old 70 year old,squashing a shit down the drain hole of the shower.I was disgusted.Lock your shower door,or the fat brunette,who offered me free rent and a share in her house,came running in,sucking on my flaccid penis,the shampoo,blinding me at the very right second,almost,comical.I was scared of her.And always knock,before you enter any room,this horrible looking man,said I'm the Butterfly,just as hs started to ejaculate all over the back of the door from fast and furious wanking...be warned.It's gonna be fun.

Billy Ruben wrote:Keep credit cards,ATM savings cards and all electronic ways of getting money,home,or hidden in your pants.They usually keep it in a safe and only allow you $15 a day back in 2002.Do not wear jewellery,rings,wedding or any sort.Keep valuables at home,or safety deposit box.

Billy Ruben wrote:
and keep your stupid fucking beliefs to yourself,OK...

Billy Ruben wrote:There is a forum admin here,named Sod/Julian.He's over 35,looks like a demonic version of Sting,Pommy (English),loves a night on the booze and drugs,which on average,makes him a lazy bastard.Like most western men are.Spoilt fuckin' rotten I say.But he'll find his runners,when he's conscripted for Asian battlefields,soon enough.I mean,if the bastard could use an iron lung to assist breathing,he would.It means,he hardly ever moderates,bit picky on who he answers PM's,real bitch.

However,there is a very skilled,rather energetic,smart and sassy,unbiased world wide women here,named Tiswas.

She's spiritual,understanding,gives good debates and I believe,quite unbiased in all matters concerning Icke.Offers the olive branch to those who foolishly,troll and attempt to sway her to the dark side.

This rare lady of light,with all her wisdom and knowledge,would be a great assett to the forums administration and I believe she is the answer to cleaning up the spam wars we have here,for which I trully,hand on heart apologise for my own involvement.

I hope the current admin,the one who needs a iron lung to breathe,maybe consider this idea as one of the few rare instances that I could conceive,that has a small amount of merit.

If anyone feels the idea should be lobbied to our admin,please raise your concerns here.

Thankyou to the forum for your time and consideration,yours sincerely,Billy Ruben.

Billy Ruben wrote:I am sure,in the name of freedom of speech,that Droike,Marpat and True Lilly,their futures would be safe,in the hands of Tiswas.

Not so with Mr Ruben,who would Nazi there arses and relegate them to a new sub-forum,called The Gas Chamber.

Be lucky,that true lights like Tiswas exist.

For I stand for Half-Caste pride,a Nazi and proud of it!!!!

true lilly Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:36 pm

I read the violent frustration of
proven pathological liars
being caught in their own web of deceit.

So, IS "tintin" still alive?

If so, is he a functioning member of society?
...it IS, ALL, SO RELATED...

Yes 'cori', some of us will always remember when
"tintin" declared that he had the power to "EDIT"
'David Icke Official Forums', and showed that he did.

ISAIAH 33:1
1
Woe to you who are despoiling, without you yourself being despoiled,
and to you who are dealing treacherously,
without [others] having dealt treacherously with you!
As soon as you have finished as a despoiler, you will be despoiled.
As soon as you have done with dealing treacherously,
they will deal treacherously with you.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#1

So how much MORE WOEFUL
FOR 'THOSE' WHO despoiled,
and dealt treacherously with,
those who didn't only, NOT despoil
or deal treacherously,
but actually WORKED to BLESS,
as "tintin" knew and publicly admitted, I did,
after his 3 week stay in my home.

Billy Ruben Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:21 pm

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3) - Page 11 Spca

True Lilly above confesses she has child porn on her PC.
The full story that you don't know,is her husband,Bill/William Ryan,a serving detective in Victorian Police Force,was lied about by her,cause he got a vasectomy (smart husband),a divorce and took the kids for a few years.She was on her own...WHY?

She set him up as drug dealer,animal and baby rapist,all of which came to no avail.But the heinous low life creature she is,installed child-porn and tried to set him up for it.But,Police being trained in psyche,that they are,realized she's just a schizophrenic patient and let her be,giving the stupid old tart license to continue to be a menace to society and herself.

I have rectified the problem and contacted Ballarat Health services and dropped this note by emai...The Federal Police is next.

"There are a number of forums,that Suzy Ryan of Ballarat/Wendouree? where she states she has child porn on her PC,that Ballarat Police,Ballarat Mental Health,Frankston Hospital ,not to mention the dozens of individuals she accuses as blood sacificing satanic occultist,baby raping,beastiality types.She has caused alot of pain to people,over the years on many online forums.Even naming her ex-husband,Bill Ryan,allegedely,a serving detective in Victorian Police,as a peadophile and drug dealer.

She goes by the monicker of True Lilly/Vera Susa,her phone number is 0424705576,email: true-lilly@hotmail.com

If you decide to follow this through,with your own administrative body,or Ballarat Police,or a combined interview,I'm happy to make myself available at above written details or serve as a witness in court.I will,if you answer and show interest,collect all the data I can,besides her fabricated stories of being car bombed and beaten into hospital twice,she has caused much pain,to herself,people around her and the online community,she should be evaluated,but that is for your consideration and experience in this field to decide,thankyou for your time and consideration,my kind regards,Jason Cook

http://www.bhs.org.au/?q=contact

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Hi shitbag scumbucket.Cause you were spiteful spamming unrelate crap this morning and my little modem packed in,I just had a friend/connection replace modem,line filter,all chords and Now I'm going to be a bastard and spam the fuck out of this place.Sod was warned and he can't do shit about it,so suck my dick you dog raping,child porn freak...and you admitted you have child porn and JD John Drake/Droike plays moral card one day and defends a known and self confessed pervert the next day.Enjoy the Federal Police babe,cause they're next babe...FUCK YOU BITCH !!!!!!

Thought you were better than that JD,you might be a low life lying bastarde,but never believe4d you would support a self confessed child pervert and child porn freak like True Lilly,read between the lines sir,she installed the porn to try and set her husband up,there's alot you don't know,but the police are trying to prove...Have a nice day sir.I'm enjoying it...

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