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U.K. - Wiki Whacked
Play video It launched with massive fanfare and a radical agenda to
change the way news was reported. It offered anonymity to whistleblowers
and a platform to freely publish information to a global audience.
WikiLeaks was an instant sensation as it exposed the hidden deeds of
governments and corporations. But now its controversial founder Julian
Assange finds himself isolated - deserted by many of his former partners
and friends and fighting extradition. His organisation is damaged and
can’t currently receive the leaks that are its lifeblood. Can WikiLeaks
survive?
It’s the story WikiLeaks doesn’t want you to know about.
Assange awaits decision on extradition to Sweden.
Andrew
Fowler - who first reported on WikiLeaks and its Australian founder
Julian Assange for Foreign Correspondent last year and went on to write a
definitive account of the cyber-phenomenon - The Most Dangerous Man in the World - goes in search again of the truth behind WikiLeaks’ dramatic, chaotic descent into dysfunction, perhaps even collapse.
He’s
tracked down key figures in the launch and spectacular flight of
WikiLeaks and the ascendency of Julian Assange and found shattered
relationships, bitter feuds and the future of the website under a very
dark cloud.
Holed up in his Norfolk bolthole awaiting the result
of his appeal against extradition to Sweden, where he's accused of sex
crimes, Assange denies the whistleblower website he founded is in
crisis.
“There is no problem in the hundreds of relationships
that this organisation has signed partnerships with, on every continent
except Antarctica. None of those have failed. They are all strong.” Julian Assange, WikiLeaks
But
the evidence of former friends and partners tells otherwise. Such as
former WikiLeaks deputy, Daniel Domscheit-Berg who walked out with
hundreds of thousands of leaked documents, and has now set up his own
rival organisation.
“He threatened me that he would hunt me
down and kill me if I ever f****d up, and the f*****g up part was
related to endangering any of our sources.”
Daniel Domscheit-Berg, WikiLeaks former deputy
And
prominent Icelandic MP Birgitta Jonsdottir - formerly one of Assange’s
biggest supporters also accuses Assange of harassment and abuse. The
human rights campaigner worked with him on the release of Collateral
Murder the video that established WikiLeaks as a bold, crusading and
potent new media force.
“It actually did feel a bit abusive to
work in this environment where people were objectified, and only
thought kindly of if they were useful.”
Birgitta Jonsdottir, Icelandic MP and ex WikiLeaks collaborator
Assange
still has his supporters, including prominent lawyer Geoffrey Robertson
QC and journalist and filmmaker Iain Overton, who watched from close
quarters as Julian Assange fought with old media forces like The
Guardian and The New York Times.
“If he is sent (to Sweden and
to jail) I think WikiLeaks will limp on for a while. I doubt they are
going to get any major new revelations given to them and it will
probably just be in a holding pattern until such time as Julian is
released from prison.”
Iain Overton, Bureau of Investigative Journalism
_____________________________________
Transcript
FOWLER:
It’s a two-hour train trip northeast of London, through rolling green
pastures to the English country town of Beccles. This quiet little
community doesn’t toss up a lot of news. The locals still talk of media
megastar Sir David Frost who moved here as a boy more than half a
century ago, but now Beccles is in the spotlight thanks to a blow in
from down under by the name of Julian Assange.
When we arrived he was completing for him the mundane daily task of signing in at the local police station.
“How many days is this Julian?”
JULIAN ASSANGE: “Two hundred… a hundred and sixty eight yeah”.
FOWLER:
The man synonymous with the explosive website WikiLeaks now cuts a
remote, forlorn figure as he heads back to a supporter’s country mansion
where he waits as the wheels of justice turn slowly in his sex crimes
case. Julian Assange is fighting extradition to Sweden where he’s
accused of molesting two women.
JULIAN ASSANGE: [WikiLeaks
Editor-in-Chief] “I felt that I was basically turning into Howard
Hughes. That I had a very small circle of people here, a long way away
from London in rural England and that those few people could be
trusted”.
FOWLER: If Assange and his legal team fail and the man
dubbed ‘the most dangerous man in the world’ is surrendered to Sweden,
gaol time there could be the least of his worries.
JENNIFER
ROBINSON: [Defence Lawyer] “Once Julian is in custody in Sweden to face
domestic prosecution under Swedish law, there is a provision in the US
Sweden treaty which allows for a defendant either facing prosecution or
someone who has been prosecuted and is serving a sentence to be lent to
the US for prosecution”.
GEOFFREY ROBERTSON QC: [Defence
Barrister] “Sweden has been guilty of extraditing a number of
individuals by in fact handing them over without proper process to the
CIA and they’ve been tortured down the line and there have been findings
against Sweden in human rights courts and of course extradition is
partly a political decision and with an extremely right wing Swedish
Government that owes a lot to America, you have a situation where he’d
be more vulnerable than if, for example, he were returned to his own
country, namely Australia”.
FOWLER: It seems like only yesterday
that we first reported on the organisation threatening to change the
future of information and journalism. WikiLeaks was pumping out secret
after big secret and the people behind it forecast a new global
transparency. As a people’s intelligence agency, it opened the door on a
hidden world. An electronic drop box for whistle blowers whose
identities would remain secret and their secrets made public.
From
number 10 Downing Street to the defence department, to MI5, corrupt
governments in Africa and multi nationals dumping toxic chemicals in
third world countries – all were fair game. So too were some of the most
secretive and sensitive corners of government in the United States and
the reaction there was intense. Some very powerful figures want Assange
dead. Prominent conservative Sarah Palin demanded he be hunted down like
the Taliban. Other political heavy weights joined the chorus.
NEWT
GINGRICH: Julian Assange is engaged in warfare. Information terrorism
which leads to people getting killed is terrorism and Julian Assange is
engaged in terrorism. He should be treated as an enemy combatant.
US SENATOR MITCH McCONNELL: He’s done enormous damage to our country. I think the man is a hi-tech terrorist.
JOSEPH BIDEN (US Vice President): I would argue that it’s closer to being a hi-tech terrorist.
ASSANGE:
“It’s a pretty big deal right if Joseph Biden says you’re a hi-tech
terrorist and Sarah Palin says that you should be hunted down like Osama
Bin Laden etcetera and others say that you should be garrotted in your
hotel room and a car bomb would take care of the issue and so on and the
threats against even my children, but what you do is you just take
appropriate precautions”.
IAIN OVERTON: [Bureau of Investigative
Journalism] “I think if he’s extradited the likelihood he’ll be sent
down is pretty great because I think there’s huge amount of political
and international pressure on the judiciary to find against you and then
Swedish laws are pretty harsh when it comes to what he’s been accused
of, and if he is sent down, I think WikiLeaks will limp on for a while. I
doubt they’re going to get any major new revelations given to them and
it will probably just be in a holding pattern until such time as Julian
is released from prison”.
FOWLER: The Julian Assange we profiled a
year or so ago is isolated and without many of his closest most trusted
allies and his truth machine, WikiLeaks, has serious problems. We’ve
tracked down key figures in the launch and spectacular flight of
WikiLeaks and the ascendancy of Julian Assange and we found broken
relationships, bitter feuds and the future of the website under a very
dark cloud.
ASSANGE: “There is no problem in hundreds of
relationships that this organisation has - signed partnerships with
media organisations on every continent except Antarctica. None of those
have failed. They are all strong, they have all produced tremendous
work”.
FOWLER: “How close a relationship did you have with him?”
BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “Do you mean if we kissed or something like that? We were
just friends, but I mothered him. I washed his clothes”.
FOWLER:
Birgitta Jonsdottir is an Icelandic MP, a campaigner for human rights
and open government. She was one of Assange’s closest friends. Now it’s
over. Things got heated when she advised him to stand aside as the
WikiLeaks spokesperson while the sexual molestation allegations played
out.
BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: [MP, Iceland] “Yeah it was just one of
these times when you sort of felt that maybe I should have shut up
because there was a lot of anger you know? “
FOWLER: “Like what?”
BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “Well you know what sort of started to happen throughout
this entire process was that there were many threats. It actually did
feel a bit you know abusive to work in this environment where people
were objectified and only thought kindly of if they were useful”.
FOWLER: “In what way was he abusive towards you?”
BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “Just you know by threatening you, you know?”
FOWLER: “In what way?”
BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “I can’t go into details about that”.
FOWLER: “Why not?”
BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: (shakes head)
FOWLER: Jonsdottir and Assange once had grand plans to make Iceland a media haven for free speech. Now they don’t even speak.
ASSANGE:
“Anyone can say whatever they like but Birgitta Jonsdottir’s - although
she did valuable work and I would never detract from the valuable work
that she did - what she thinks is actually not relevant to the
organisation, having been excluded from the organisation she had certain
animosity towards it and towards me.”
DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG:
“Julian is a very brilliant person, he’s very intelligent and on the
other hand I think he lacks some social competence”.
FOWLER: Once
a part of an unbreakable WikiLeaks double act, Daniel Domscheit-Berg
played the computer nerd, Julian Assange the charismatic leader. But
here again the close relationship has turned noxious. For Assange it
founded on trust.
ASSANGE: “He’d been excluded from all source
material. It was viewed that he was not trustworthy. We had concerns
about his stability back in January 2010 and as a result he was phased
out of the high security part of what we were doing”.
FOWLER:
Domscheit-Berg believes Assange, the cyber warrior, developed an
over–inflated ego from the glut of global attention and then he turned
on his own.
DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: [Former WikiLeaks Deputy] “He
threatened me that he would hunt me down and kill me if I ever f****d
up and the f****ing up part was related to endangering any of our
sources and actually that statement came completely out of the blue
because there was no mistake that had happened at that point in time. He
became very paranoid about the way he was dealing with me, dealing with
others as well. It was all about conspiracies, back-stabbing, alleged
backstabbing, alleged conspiracies and that’s just tiresome if you want
to work together”.
FOWLER: Now in Berlin building his own whistle
blower site, Domscheit-Berg has someone WikiLeaks and Assange badly
need. The brains behind the intricate and protective WikiLeaks anonymous
drop box. He’s one of the few in this very public saga who’s kept a lid
on his identity. In the Wiki fraternity he is simply called ‘the
Architect’.
DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “It’s all his creation. Not a
single line of code ever was made by Julian. He has no role in creating
the submission system and neither have I and neither did I or he ever
have access to that system and that person who created it decided to not
provide such a powerful tool to WikiLeaks anymore and he decided to
take it away”.
FOWLER: “What can you tell us about the Architect?”
BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “Nothing”.
FOWLER: “Why is that?”
BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “He wants to remain anonymous so I have nothing to say about him”.
FOWLER: “But how can someone remain anonymous in such a transparent area?”
BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “If you want to protect the people that want to be only
working on the content not the politics, you should absolutely honour
that”.
FOWLER: “How important is the role of the architect?”
BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: “It’s very”.
FOWLER: “In what way?”
BIRGITTA
JONSDOTTIR: “He’s a genius”. He’s a genius and you know writing the
stuff that you need to write, the coding, the encryptions to make sure
that people can leak documents without being tracked”.
FOWLER:
The super security of the Wiki website designed and delivered by the
Architect drew an avalanche of super sensitive material. But after
dalliances with self publication, Assange’s strategy shifted into
alliances with some of the world’s biggest and most respected
newspapers. It would not be long before these relationships would also
disintegrate.
The Guardian is a bastion of British journalism,
along with The New York Times, Le Monde and Spain’s El Pais it’s
published sensational stories courtesy of classified information
provided by WikiLeaks. Julian Assange’s relationship with The New York
Times has been difficult for several months now, but his relationship
with The Guardian has turned toxic.
WikiLeaks and The Guardian
had collaborated on a number of big releases and they were invariably
fraught with shifting terms and conditions, but it was a treasure trove
of documents dubbed “Cablegate” a cache of 251,000 classified State
Department files that would bring the biggest arguments, accusations and
recriminations.
ALAN RUSBRIDGER: [Editor, The Guardian] “Things
were getting tense between us because Julian was at best part in sort of
semi-detached. It was, communication was very difficult because I think
he felt more and more paranoid about his own personal position after
the accusations in Sweden so it wasn’t a sort of simple matter of just
lifting the phone and speaking to him, you had to go through encrypted
technologies”.
FOWLER: Assange wasn’t simply worried about how
The Guardian communicated with him, he was deeply concerned about how
the paper’s computers were vulnerable to hackers.
ASSANGE: “They
put all the cables onto internet connected computer systems, completely
breaching their security, opening them up to foreign intelligence
agencies and computer hackers. The first thing we would have known is
when our people in the United States would have been rounded up and
arrested”.
FOWLER: The Cablegate files spilled the beans on
everything from the State Department spying on the United Nations, to
calls by Saudi Arabia for the US to bomb Iran. It was hot stuff and
certainly one of WikiLeaks biggest scoops, but Assange accused The
Guardian of double dealing.
ASSANGE: “They secretly gave all the
cables to the New York Times behind our backs. They secretly set up the
program to publish them without telling us”.
ALAN RUSBRIDGER:
“We had a sort of crisis meeting or a clear the air meeting where Julian
suddenly barged into this building unannounced with lawyers and he got
very angry with us ‘cause he accused us of dealing with the New York
Times where he didn’t want to and the reason he didn’t want to deal with
the New York Times was because the New York Times had published an
unflattering piece about him. So it was all getting very messy and we
had a meeting that went on for about 8 hours. There was lots of jabbing
of fingers and shouting and accusations”.
FOWLER: It wasn’t just
the so-called hit piece that upset Assange, he was angry that the New
York Times failed to carry some of the reports on America’s illicit
activities.
ASSANGE: “The New York Times had been censoring its
material, attacking an alleged source and attacking us as an
organisation for its own strategic purposes”.
FOWLER: WikiLeaks
alliance with the old media was on the rocks but the fallout from
Cablegate wouldn’t end there. More damage was on the way, courtesy of a
WikiLeaks underling by the name of Herbert Snorrason. Wide-eyed and
enthusiastic when he joined, Snorrason soon found himself in the bitter
cross-fire between Assange and Domscheit-Berg.
HERBERT
SNORRASON: [Former WikiLeaks volunteer] “The most specific disagreement I
had with Julian was that he alleged that Daniel acted maliciously and
that Daniel was after Julian’s job. I requested evidence because I was
sceptical of the claim”.
FOWLER: “Can you tell me the language that he used when he spoke to you?”
HERBERT
SNORRASON: “Ah (laughs) yeah there is a quote that circulated quite
widely, ‘I am the heart and soul of this organisation - its founder,
philosopher, original coder’. I really don’t remember the entire
list..... and ending with ‘if you have a problem with me you can piss
off’.”
ASSANGE: “I think I told him very soundly to piss off. You
know we were trying to get on with things and it wasn’t useful to have
an Icelandic student hectoring the CEO of an organisation during a time
of high stress”.
HERBERT SNORRASON: “My immediate reply was so be it. I left and I have not spoken with Julian since”.
FOWLER:
It might have paid Assange to treat Snorrason better. On a flight home
to Iceland, he read a book written by two Guardian reporters Assange had
teamed up, with to produce the Cablegate stories. Incredibly there in
black and white they’d printed a password, confidentially given to them
by Assange to open the encrypted Cablegate files. The files had been
placed on the internet for safe keeping in case anything happened to
Assange.
HERBERT SNORRASON: “My immediate reaction when I noticed the password was, holy crap this isn’t happening”.
FOWLER:
Snorrason drove to his grandparents’ home close to Reykjavik Airport.
If the password opened the cables, all the names of US informants would
be revealed. Snorrason fired up his computer and carefully typed in the
code. Seconds later the Cablegate internet file opened up.
HERBERT
SNORRASON: “I immediately realised that this would be something that
was very dangerous. My main concern was that the release of those
documents could put people’s lives at risk”.
FOWLER: Snorrason contacted his friend Domscheit-Berg in Germany to tell him what he’d found.
DANIEL
DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “Sharing the password for the master copy was I think a
big mistake and there’s not really any excuse for that other than being
lazy”.
FOWLER: Not far from central Berlin, Der Freitag, a
radical newspaper with a tiny circulation, splashed the story. We can
now reveal the principle source was none other than Daniel
Domscheit-Berg.
“What do you say to the argument that by talking
to Freitag, by pointing them in the direction of the file and the
password, the key, that you made it likely that that information would
be available, unredacted around the world?”
DANIEL
DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “It’s just a matter of time until somebody intelligent
would have put one and one together and anyone putting in resources into
finding these cables because they had an interest in obtaining access
to the cables was probably, has known that for quite some time already”.
FOWLER: “But you helped speed it up”.
DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “No I don’t.... well I don’t know. You could..... you could allege that I did. I don’t know if I did”.
FOWLER:
That the code printed in the Guardian book was a grave error of
judgement by the authors mattered not a jot. WikiLeaks looked as if its
security was slack. For Daniel Domscheit-Berg it vindicated his stand
against WikiLeaks.
DANIEL DOMSCHEIT-BERG: “It is important for
the world to understand the general issue at hand because people are
potentially risking their lives trusting in the ability to handle
information properly. We were not just making this up in order to find
an excuse for sabotaging WikiLeaks or for spreading dirt you know?”
ASSANGE:
“I assume it was probably not malicious the putting of the password in
the book, it was just extremely arrogant and careless. Where there may
be genuine criticism levelled at me and the decision making of the
organisation, is that actually we trusted The Guardian”.
FOWLER:
With the names of spies and informants revealed, Assange decided to
publish the full cables on the WikiLeaks website arguing that everyone
should have access and not those simply in the know, such as corrupt
dictatorships and their intelligence organisations.
ASSANGE:
“Given that the material had already been published, at that stage we
determined that well actually we have to give this to the public, we
have to give this to the journalists, we have to give this to human
rights workers”.
FOWLER: WikiLeaks polarises opinion. It’s either
a force for good or a dangerous enemy of the state. Whatever the case,
with the Architect gone, it’s now effectively closed for new business,
unable to take whistle blowers’ electronic submissions.
“When will it be on line again?”
ASSANGE: “Some time… I don’t know”.
FOWLER: “When will you be open to take submissions again, electronic submissions?”
ASSANGE: “I’m not sure…”.
FOWLER: “Will it be one month, two months, six months?”
ASSANGE: “I imagine before the end of the year”.
FOWLER:
But right now Assange has other more important concerns. Here at the
High Court in London the ruling on his extradition to Sweden is
imminent.
At the same time a US Grand Jury is investigating if
there’s sufficient evidence to indict him on charges of spying against
the United States.
GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: “Under the US Espionage
Act there are sections that do carry the death penalty. For that reason I
suspect he wouldn’t be extradited on those charges but there are lesser
charges that carry up to ten years imprisonment and that is what he
would face, ten years in a maximum security prison”.
FOWLER: No matter what the outcome in the United States, Julian Assange can expect little help from Australia.
JENNIFER
ROBINSON: “We had the Australian Prime Minister come out and accuse him
of illegal conduct which was manifestly untrue and was proven as such
by an Australian Federal Police investigation in Australia, so her
comments were both prejudicial and premature. We also had the Attorney
General, Robert McClelland suggesting that they may cancel Julian’s
passport. Now as an Australian living abroad myself, I found that to be a
shocking statement to come from our Government, that the Australian
Government would be so quick to accuse rather than protect an Australian
living abroad and I think that’s of grave concern and one that the
Australian public ought to take up with our politicians”.
ASSANGE: “Well the Prime Minister and the Attorney General are US lackeys. I mean it’s as simple as that”.
IAIN
OVERTON: “I really admire the man. I mean he’s getting a huge amount of
flack from all sides but he’s actually by releasing all this
information, he’s created a complete hellhole for his life. He didn’t
have to do it and yet what he’s done is just remarkable”.
FOWLER:
Julian Assange set out to challenge the media and government secrecy.
WikiLeaks has given a penetrating insight into the covert world of war
and politics. Now he and his organisation face their severest test, the
struggle for survival.
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:04 pm
And I can't help but notice, that like all the sly deceivers,true lilly wrote:Just like the infamous "They" wouldn't daretrue lilly wrote:ruud
gullit wrote:rodin wrote:To many good people have gone IMO. How I get to
stay bets me
Thats easy, you push a load of bullshit wraped up as 'twooth'' 24/7..
Post some reall truth and you will gone too..
silence this wolf, misleading the sheep,
to their slaughter...
Julian Assange speaking to protesters from
the steps of Saint Paul's Cathedral.
Photograph: Leon Neal/AFP/Getty Images
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...oh no, we simply can't hear enough
of the lies of the filthy.
MATTHEW 24:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=24&v=1&t=KJV#1
Then 5119 if 1437 any man 5100
shall say 2036 unto you 5213,
Lo 2400 , here 5602 [is] Christ 5547,
or 2228 there 5602; believe 4100 [it] not 3361.
For 1063 there shall arise 1453 false Christs 5580,
and 2532 false prophets 5578,
and 2532 shall shew 1325 great 3173 signs 4592
and 2532 wonders 5059; insomuch that 5620,
if 1487 [it were] possible 1415,
they shall deceive 4105 the very 2532 elect 1588.
Behold 2400 , I have told 4280 0 you 5213 before 4280 .
Wherefore 3767 if 1437 they shall say 2036 unto you 5213,
Behold 2400 , he is 2076 in 1722 the desert 2048;
go 1831 0 not 3361 forth 1831 :
behold 2400 , [he is] in 1722 the secret chambers 5009;
believe 4100 [it] not 3361.
For 1063 as 5618 the lightning 796 cometh 1831
out of 575 the east 395, and 2532 shineth 5316
even unto 2193 the west 1424;
so 3779 shall 2071 0 also 2532 the coming 3952
of the Son 5207 of man 444 be 2071 .
For 1063 wheresoever 1437 3699
the carcase 4430 is 5600 ,
there 1563 will 4863 0
the eagles 105 be gathered together 4863 .
'you' don't dare link to what 'you' aim to 'blow away'...
Men banned as Muslim women win council backing:
In AUSTRALIA
...well at least 'you' fall in 'your own' trap,edit wrote:At least they are seeing the truth"Egypt only recognises
conversions from Christianity to Islam,
not the other way".
Because...
Conversions do go from the point(s) to the abiss as it is all for now
possible... See how big is the universe ..who can bring it all back to
the point or 2 ..again?
and show why it is, that I have to repeat,
the same answers, in many different threads:
'YOU' Legion of Liars Troll and SPAM them ALL,
with The Lies That Lead To DEATH!
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
mugglez Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:10 pm
Yahshua's Kabbalah
http://rabdavis.org/yahshuas%20%20kabbalah.htm
Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)
Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.
In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.
Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.
Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.
In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.
In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.
On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9:
and when the cloud passed they found Yahshua without Moshe and Elijah (Mark 9: standing alone as G-d's son. "Divine son" was the same designation Yahshua had heard during His immersion with John the Baptist: now his own disciples saw and heard the truth of Yahshua's own vision. We should note that the Transfiguration does not speak in the later exclusive language of the Christian Trinity that makes Yahshua into the only possible son of G-d. Here we perceive that the same spirit that had animated Elijah and Moshe was present in Yahshua and this spirit could make of whomever it wishes sons of G-d.
In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).
A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.
Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.
The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.
The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.
Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.
The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:
My Father,
Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!
The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.
Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?
His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.
In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.
All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.
Amein
http://rabdavis.org/yahshuas%20%20kabbalah.htm
Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)
Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.
In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.
Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.
Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.
In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.
In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.
On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9:
and when the cloud passed they found Yahshua without Moshe and Elijah (Mark 9: standing alone as G-d's son. "Divine son" was the same designation Yahshua had heard during His immersion with John the Baptist: now his own disciples saw and heard the truth of Yahshua's own vision. We should note that the Transfiguration does not speak in the later exclusive language of the Christian Trinity that makes Yahshua into the only possible son of G-d. Here we perceive that the same spirit that had animated Elijah and Moshe was present in Yahshua and this spirit could make of whomever it wishes sons of G-d. In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).
A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.
Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.
The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.
The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.
Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.
The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:
My Father,
Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!
The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.
Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?
His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.
In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.
All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.
Amein
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:30 pm
'You' really do believe everyone is a fool.
Counting backwards, only sends you backwards,
to the dark ages, before the real world revelations,
of the laws of how this real world works.
The laws God described, FROM THE BEGINNING,
BEFORE WE COULD GATHER ENOUGH INFORMATION
about The Whole, Real World, God Created, and,
promised would be revealed in this age of much knowledge,
but REJECTION of WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING.
So again, from the beginning:
WATER COVERED GLOBE.
ONE LAND MASS RISES.
LIFE EXISTS ON IT, WITHOUT OXYGEN.
OXYGEN FORMS, DEATH BEGINS.
HARD WOODY PLANTS APPEAR.
ONE LAND MASS COMPLETELY FLOODED.
AGES AFTER THAT TOTAL FLOODING,
THE ONE LAND MASS STARTS TO DIVIDE.
That is what science has revealed to us, and,
that is what God described of the beginning.
Reject science, and you reject God's Word.
And 'you' do reject God's Word, in order to
"defend" 'the bible' that 'you' keep telling
the world, is "a recent man made myth" that
we should all reject...except for that insanely,
too short, "out of (MAN'S DEATH WORSHIPING)
Egypt" and it's DEATH WORSHIPING RELIGIONS,
bit.
Well, I at least, can see, when the spamming trolls come out and spam my threads,
why 'they' believe 'they' must...rather than 'chat amongst themselves'...well, 'they'
really don't have anything of interest to talk about, besides how 'they' can CONvince
readers that there is nothing of edifying value in my posts...well, if 'they' had or could
make a case that stands on it's own, wouldn't 'they' simply present it in 'their' own
threads, not "waste 'their' time reading mine", and let readers read what they chose
to read, without interruption?
Particularly as what 'they' post, is all the same long ago debunked myth and current
propaganda that is all over the NET and MSM, oh and, cyber bullying dished out to
all who don't buy sell and trade that poisonous cow manure that 'they' peddle.
as most Aussies are of the dead Bradman, to be honest about,
well, all 'Herge's' UNDERLING'S and BETTER'S Talents, but,
he also seems to hint strongly, that 'David Icke's' 'tintin',
is as 'DEAD' as SS & PJ's 'Tin-Tin's' EYES.
The Adventures Of Tintin: The Secret Of The Unicorn – review
"Steven Spielberg's 3D adaptation of the
Hergé classic lacks a twinkle in the eye.
...that two dots of ink from a Belgian
cartoonist’s pen can express more wit and artistry
than £82 million of the best 3D special effects
Hollywood can conjure.
The difference, you see, is in the eyes. And in this
first of three planned Tintin films by Steven Spielberg
and Peter Jackson, the eyes do not have it
–‘it’ being that vital, twinkling difference
that separates a character worth caring about
from a dummy in a Debenhams’ shop window.
...its starting point, the film hares from the cobbled
streets of ... well, wherever it is Tintin lives,..."
Interesting to, how this 'Tin-Tin' LOOKS MORE LIKE
'David Icke's' 'tintin', than the comic Book character.
Right down to the jumper 'tintin' wore, every day,
for 3 weeks, but refusing to ever have it washed.
In fact, there is so much alike between, this 'Tin-Tin',
'David Icke's' 'tintin', and Julian Assange, that it's very,
very hard, to not see them as all from and of, the same,
family blood and spirit. The same, always 'moving',
original 'traveling salesman', 'silver-tongued', spirit,
that first sold the belief that, knowing death, would be
'a good thing'.
Oh, and that "400 year old secret" - well it's much older,
and not so secret - but the "400 years" does tie right in,
with when 'The Dutch' Boast of 'their' 'Relationship' starting
with The Glorious Land Promised To Israel, O'Zion = 'their'
belief that 'they' have 'the rights' to it.
Oh and people, please remember, it is the 'tintin' at DIF,
who claimed to be 'Jesus' and "rewriting The Bible", while
supporting murderous thugs who attack an old woman for
asking others to re-view The Bible in the revealing light of
what modern studies and science has debunked of the myths
and lies we've been mislead to believe it contains.
The modern studies and science that actually support the
Whole Age of the Whole World and All Peoples, AS THE BIBLE
DESCRIBES.
"it's supposed to appear more lifelike
even though it's animated."
JEREMIAH 51:1-64
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=51&v=1&t=KJV#1
6,
“FLEE out of the midst of Babylon,
and provide escape each one for his own soul.
Do not be rendered inanimate through her error.
For it is the time of vengeance belonging to Jehovah.
There is treatment that he is paying back to her.
6, Flee out 5127 of the midst 8432 of Babylon 894,
and deliver 4422 every man 376 his soul 5315:
be not cut off 1826 in her iniquity 5771;
for this [is] the time 6256 of the LORD'S 3068
vengeance 5360; he will render 7999
unto her a recompence 1576.
And yes, as usual I just asked about this post, 'randomly'=IN FAITH,
opened the New World Translation, my 'reading' version of The Bible,
and that reference to "INANIMATE", out of every subject under the sun
that it covers, is where I opened it. And if you go to the KJV, Strong's
links, and read all the full, descriptive, meanings (click on the numbers,
and keep clicking, through to the root meanings), you will see that it is,
a very fitting and timely line and chapter, for this post.
Counting backwards, only sends you backwards,
to the dark ages, before the real world revelations,
of the laws of how this real world works.
The laws God described, FROM THE BEGINNING,
BEFORE WE COULD GATHER ENOUGH INFORMATION
about The Whole, Real World, God Created, and,
promised would be revealed in this age of much knowledge,
but REJECTION of WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING.
So again, from the beginning:
WATER COVERED GLOBE.
ONE LAND MASS RISES.
LIFE EXISTS ON IT, WITHOUT OXYGEN.
OXYGEN FORMS, DEATH BEGINS.
HARD WOODY PLANTS APPEAR.
ONE LAND MASS COMPLETELY FLOODED.
AGES AFTER THAT TOTAL FLOODING,
THE ONE LAND MASS STARTS TO DIVIDE.
That is what science has revealed to us, and,
that is what God described of the beginning.
Reject science, and you reject God's Word.
And 'you' do reject God's Word, in order to
"defend" 'the bible' that 'you' keep telling
the world, is "a recent man made myth" that
we should all reject...except for that insanely,
too short, "out of (MAN'S DEATH WORSHIPING)
Egypt" and it's DEATH WORSHIPING RELIGIONS,
bit.
Well, I at least, can see, when the spamming trolls come out and spam my threads,
why 'they' believe 'they' must...rather than 'chat amongst themselves'...well, 'they'
really don't have anything of interest to talk about, besides how 'they' can CONvince
readers that there is nothing of edifying value in my posts...well, if 'they' had or could
make a case that stands on it's own, wouldn't 'they' simply present it in 'their' own
threads, not "waste 'their' time reading mine", and let readers read what they chose
to read, without interruption?
Particularly as what 'they' post, is all the same long ago debunked myth and current
propaganda that is all over the NET and MSM, oh and, cyber bullying dished out to
all who don't buy sell and trade that poisonous cow manure that 'they' peddle.
Well, I believe this reviewer is as scared of the dead 'Herge'dixie d wrote:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060290992&postcount=31628There is an article on it today...
Originally Posted by bkiddo151
Tin-Tin--
You should know that Stephen Spielberg will release a Tin-tin movie this
year based on three of Tin-Tin's adventures: The Crab With The Golden
Claws, The Secret of the Unicorn and Red Reckam's Treasure.
Since a world known movie maker like SS now decides to do a Tin-Tin
movie based on an amalgm of Tin-Tin adventures, what does he want us to know about this?
It's a 3D animation, so it's supposed to appear more
lifelike even though it's animated.
The Adventures Of Tintin: The Secret Of The Unicorn – review
as most Aussies are of the dead Bradman, to be honest about,
well, all 'Herge's' UNDERLING'S and BETTER'S Talents, but,
he also seems to hint strongly, that 'David Icke's' 'tintin',
is as 'DEAD' as SS & PJ's 'Tin-Tin's' EYES.
The Adventures Of Tintin: The Secret Of The Unicorn – review
"Steven Spielberg's 3D adaptation of the
Hergé classic lacks a twinkle in the eye.
...that two dots of ink from a Belgian
cartoonist’s pen can express more wit and artistry
than £82 million of the best 3D special effects
Hollywood can conjure.
The difference, you see, is in the eyes. And in this
first of three planned Tintin films by Steven Spielberg
and Peter Jackson, the eyes do not have it
–‘it’ being that vital, twinkling difference
that separates a character worth caring about
from a dummy in a Debenhams’ shop window.
...its starting point, the film hares from the cobbled
streets of ... well, wherever it is Tintin lives,..."
Interesting to, how this 'Tin-Tin' LOOKS MORE LIKE
'David Icke's' 'tintin', than the comic Book character.
Right down to the jumper 'tintin' wore, every day,
for 3 weeks, but refusing to ever have it washed.
In fact, there is so much alike between, this 'Tin-Tin',
'David Icke's' 'tintin', and Julian Assange, that it's very,
very hard, to not see them as all from and of, the same,
family blood and spirit. The same, always 'moving',
original 'traveling salesman', 'silver-tongued', spirit,
that first sold the belief that, knowing death, would be
'a good thing'.
Oh, and that "400 year old secret" - well it's much older,
and not so secret - but the "400 years" does tie right in,
with when 'The Dutch' Boast of 'their' 'Relationship' starting
with The Glorious Land Promised To Israel, O'Zion = 'their'
belief that 'they' have 'the rights' to it.
Oh and people, please remember, it is the 'tintin' at DIF,
who claimed to be 'Jesus' and "rewriting The Bible", while
supporting murderous thugs who attack an old woman for
asking others to re-view The Bible in the revealing light of
what modern studies and science has debunked of the myths
and lies we've been mislead to believe it contains.
The modern studies and science that actually support the
Whole Age of the Whole World and All Peoples, AS THE BIBLE
DESCRIBES.
"it's supposed to appear more lifelike
even though it's animated."
JEREMIAH 51:1-64
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=51&v=1&t=KJV#1
6,
“FLEE out of the midst of Babylon,
and provide escape each one for his own soul.
Do not be rendered inanimate through her error.
For it is the time of vengeance belonging to Jehovah.
There is treatment that he is paying back to her.
6, Flee out 5127 of the midst 8432 of Babylon 894,
and deliver 4422 every man 376 his soul 5315:
be not cut off 1826 in her iniquity 5771;
for this [is] the time 6256 of the LORD'S 3068
vengeance 5360; he will render 7999
unto her a recompence 1576.
And yes, as usual I just asked about this post, 'randomly'=IN FAITH,
opened the New World Translation, my 'reading' version of The Bible,
and that reference to "INANIMATE", out of every subject under the sun
that it covers, is where I opened it. And if you go to the KJV, Strong's
links, and read all the full, descriptive, meanings (click on the numbers,
and keep clicking, through to the root meanings), you will see that it is,
a very fitting and timely line and chapter, for this post.
true lilly wrote:
''The fresh terrases, lawns and grottos
with distinct plantations of the tallest
and most stately trees I ever saw in any
nobleman's grounds in England,
cannot excel in beauty those whose
nature now presented to our view,''
...so how did "they" then make the world
'believe', the "unlivabledesert" lie?
And WHY?
I just watched this on ABC24,
the link to the video of the programme is below,
and it shows much more than the news report.
The Biggest Estate (on Earth)
Published:Friday, October 14, 2011 7:30 AEDT
Expires:Thursday, January 12, 2012
7:30 AEDT
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/10/14/3340516.htm?site=canberra§ion=news
Local author and historian Bill Gammage has a new book - with a
revolutionary perspective on the land management techniques of
Aborigines.
Tags:
nonfiction-books, history, indigenous-culture, aboriginal, australia, canberra-2600
Burning questions
Adrian Hyland
October 15, 2011
Landscapes by artists such as John Glover
depict the ''park-like'' Australia described by early settlers.
WHEN Charles Darwin visited our shores, his impressions
of the indigenous inhabitants were far from complimentary: ''Harmless
savages wandering about without knowing where they shall sleep at night
and gaining their livelihood by hunting in the woods.''
If the most innovative thinker of the 19th century could
be so blinkered by his own preconceptions, so absurdly wrong, what hope
was there for his compatriots? Aboriginal Australians were regarded as
rootless, drifting, blown about by the wind and the weather, dependent
on the vagaries of a brutal climate to scratch out a precarious
existence in the harshest of environments.
Such perceptions were informed by 19th-century theories
of racial superiority, insinuated their way into the
''smooth-the-dying-pillow'' approach that characterised much of the
20th century and have echoes in the welfare dependence that racks
Aboriginal communities today.
The Biggest Estate on Earth
by Bill Gammage.
In The Biggest Estate on Earth, ANU historian Bill Gammage
demolishes this view, demonstrating that Aboriginal people
not only brilliantly adapted to this environment - they created it.
Our vision of what pre-European Australia was like tends
to come from stretches of ''wilderness'', from scrub-covered ranges and
tangled gullies. But such does not seem to have been the experience of
the first Europeans.
''The fresh terrases, lawns and grottos with distinct plantations
of the tallest and most stately trees I ever saw in any
nobleman's grounds in England, cannot excel in beauty those whose nature
now presented to our view,'' commented First Fleeter Arthur Bowes
Smyth on the landscape around Sydney. Similar things were said of
Melbourne, where John Batman was enraptured: ''The most beautiful sheep
pasturage I ever saw in my life.''
Such comments ring out from the pioneers Gammage quotes
and the image is reinforced by the work of the colonial artists.
The trees were scattered, the scrub was thin. The soil
was so soft and dark you could sink a hand into it with ease. The rivers
were crystal clear. The plains were rich with game, the skies dark
with birds, the seas black with fish.
The picture Gammage paints is reminiscent of an armillary sphere:
an astonishing framework of interwoven circles and rings.
The life cycles of the flora and fauna - kangaroos and
koalas, grasses and yams and spear trees - were intimately connected,
perfectly balanced. What doesn't seem to have occurred to the settlers
was that, like the sphere, this intricate world was crafted by the
hand of man.
His thesis revolves around several environmental dilemmas:
how was it that plant species with diverse ecological
imperatives were living in such close proximity? Why was there grass
growing on the best soil in the valleys and scattered trees with little
undergrowth on the heights? How could species with such different fire
requirements be growing near each other?
He examines the works of the pioneer painters and
observes ribbon gum, blackwood and native cherry growing side by side.
Some trees need fire every five years, others every 10 years, others
not for centuries. In a landscape by John Glover, he uncovers evidence
of three distinct fire regimes: he finds wallaby traps and sanctuaries,
scattered trees that were useful for spears or medicine.
How could all this complexity have come about?
The logical answer, he concludes, was that it was
deliberately crafted by the first Australians.
And their main technique of control was fire.
The fire-stick was the most important implement in the
Aboriginal tool kit. They burned constantly: anthropologist Rhys Jones
estimates that a single family group would have lit about 5000 fires a
year. They burned to clear tracks, control insects, produce the ''green
pick'' that attracted game.
It was all done with greater skill and knowledge t
han white Australia could begin to imagine.
In Gammage's words, ''what the ecosystem needed, it got''.
Carefully crafted fire is the key to the incredible
complexity of the world he describes: it can trigger species to
regenerate (yam daisy) or sprout (banksia, waratah), to flower
(Christmas Bell) or germinate (hakea, heath), to die but set seed
(mountain ash). Fire provides essential nutrients, it activates soil
bacteria.
Aboriginal people viewed fire as a critical element of
the natural world, their burning based upon knowledge refined over tens
of thousands of years. Their fires were locally based, firmly
controlled, carefully crafted towards the needs of the landscape.
Inevitably, fire entered the Dreaming; walk into any
Aboriginal art gallery in the country and you are likely to come across a
painting whose motif is fire. Gammage quotes an elder from Arnhem
Land: ''You sing the country before you burn it - in your mind you see
the fire, you know where it is going, you know where it will stop.''
Then, in 1788, a new coloniser arrived, one more
interested in profit than knowledge. The carefully prepared landscape,
with its valleys and plains of waving grass, was an irresistible
temptation. Those areas most critical to maintaining the indigenous
ecology - the ''templates'', as Gammage describes them, where an
abundance of water, flora and fauna intersected - took on another value:
as pasture for sheep and cattle, as sources of profit.
But the settlers' understanding of the bush and its fire
regime was minimal. In some cases, they burnt to clear the land; their
burning was wild and indiscriminate. But then, as settlement became more
developed, as they acquired houses and towns, they attempted to
eradicate fire, just as they had eradicated the original inhabitants.
The results were disastrous.
Within a few years, with the destruction of Aboriginal
society and the disappearance of its fire regimes, much of the land the
explorers described as ''park-like'' was covered in thick scrub. Within
16 years, Victoria was ravaged by the inferno of Black Thursday. Ever
since, these monstrous conflagrations have roared out of the bush like
the vengeful ghosts of a vanquished world.
The Biggest Estate on Earth is history of the most readable kind:
a fascinating amalgam of scientific enigma, bush lore and anecdote.
Gammage has an almost Borgesian instinct for capturing
complexity in a single sentence: after discussing the interweaving
trade routes that criss-cross the continent and along which objects
from seeds to shells could be transferred, he blithely comments:
''Anything could go anywhere.''
This is a beautiful and profound piece of writing, one
that has importance for us all. We live in the most fire-prone
environment on Earth. It was built to burn. Aboriginal people thrived
in this environment for thousands of years, their chief defences being
mobility, continual burning and an intricate understanding of the bush.
In Australia today, when we have lost that mobility and
when we burn in only the most haphazard manner, it is more important
than ever we understand our environment.
The Biggest Estate on Earth makes a significant contribution
to that understanding.
■Adrian Hyland
is the author of Kinglake-350.
Bill Gammage discusses
The Biggest Estate on Earth
at noon on October 27
at the Wheeler Centre,
176 Little Lonsdale Street, city.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/books/burning-questions-20111014-1lote.html#ixzz1axLa71ZV
''The fresh terrases, lawns and grottos
with distinct plantations of the tallest
and most stately trees I ever saw in any
nobleman's grounds in England,
cannot excel in beauty those whose
nature now presented to our view,''
...so how did "they" then make the world
'believe', the "unlivable desert" lie,
for over 400 years?
And WHY?
ISAIAH 41
Keep silence 2790 before me,
O islands 339; and let the people 3816
renew 2498 [their] strength 3581:
let them come near 5066 ;
then let them speak 1696 :
let us come near 7126 together 3162
to judgment 4941.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=41&v=1&t=KJV#1
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
mugglez Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:48 am
lilly/suzi, get off your boney ass, turn off the tv/idiot box............. 
, turn off the computer.................do you see LIFE? I do, and it's getting better ALL the time................evolutionary Science is FAQCTUAL, I Posted the beginning of the Earths atmosphere which includes oxygen, this is before the appearance of the Hominid life form, ALL humans, Adam, enoch, Cain, Noah, Shem breathed the Earths Atmosphere which includes oxygen........only the rankest of idiots and liars would attempt to do what you do......rewrite history in an idiotic manner.
Let's be honest..............
You are Anti-YHWH
Anti-Yahshua Messiah
Anti-Torah-the Word/Instruction of YHWH/God
You are Anti-Israel
Anti-Jew by embracing the perverted Replacemnet Theology.
I have proven you wrong on every belief you have, this is no different.............the Biblical History from the time of Adam took place on an Earth that had already divided its Continents and the tmosphere included Oxygen............you have been brainwashed by some idiots and morons and that is what you have become.
I have asked you repeatedly to define the words Tsiyon/Zion and Mitzraim and support your answer with credentialed evidence....so far you have run like a coward.........anything change?
Explain this................
The Sefirotic tree of life
The ten sefirot or the ten ementions of Hashem's divine attributes is an exclusively Jewish concept. I doubt I have to explain to you the pervasiveness of this concept in kabbalistic texts. The kabbalists provide a path in which to travel up and down these sefirot and the following is the top-down path. Beginning at Keter (will of Hashem) you go to Chochmah (wisdom), then Binah (understanding), and then to Chesed (kindness goodness), and next to Gevurah (Power strength). From there you move to Tiferet (glory) and then to Netzach (endurance) and Hod (patience). You then come to Yesod (foundation, Torah, and the Zadakim) which links to the final sphere Malkut (the kingdom of Hashem).
Compare to the New Testament.
Colossians 1:9-15 “That is why we, from the day we heard, have not ceased praying for you, and asking that you be filled with the knowledge of his will (Keter) in all wisdom (Chochmah) and spiritual understanding (Binah), to walk worthily of the master, pleasing all, bearing fruit in every good work (Chesed) and increasing in the knowledge of Elohim (hidden sepherah of Da'at), being empowered with all power (Gevurah), according to the might of his glory (Tiferet), for all endurance (Netzach) and patience (Hod) with joy, giving thanks to the father who has made us fit to share in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light (Yesod), who has delivered us from the authority of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the son of his love (Malkut), in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation. (The Sepherotic tree of life.)
Rabbi Shaul not only hits every emanation, but he also hits them in order which certainly rules out any chance of coincidence.
BECAUSE, you don't know Hebrew and you hate the Jews and Israel you have a perverted, shallow and idiotic understanding of Scripture......................you remain a False Prophet.....................
, turn off the computer.................do you see LIFE? I do, and it's getting better ALL the time................evolutionary Science is FAQCTUAL, I Posted the beginning of the Earths atmosphere which includes oxygen, this is before the appearance of the Hominid life form, ALL humans, Adam, enoch, Cain, Noah, Shem breathed the Earths Atmosphere which includes oxygen........only the rankest of idiots and liars would attempt to do what you do......rewrite history in an idiotic manner.Let's be honest..............
You are Anti-YHWH
Anti-Yahshua Messiah
Anti-Torah-the Word/Instruction of YHWH/God
You are Anti-Israel
Anti-Jew by embracing the perverted Replacemnet Theology.
I have proven you wrong on every belief you have, this is no different.............the Biblical History from the time of Adam took place on an Earth that had already divided its Continents and the tmosphere included Oxygen............you have been brainwashed by some idiots and morons and that is what you have become.
I have asked you repeatedly to define the words Tsiyon/Zion and Mitzraim and support your answer with credentialed evidence....so far you have run like a coward.........anything change?
Explain this................
The Sefirotic tree of life
The ten sefirot or the ten ementions of Hashem's divine attributes is an exclusively Jewish concept. I doubt I have to explain to you the pervasiveness of this concept in kabbalistic texts. The kabbalists provide a path in which to travel up and down these sefirot and the following is the top-down path. Beginning at Keter (will of Hashem) you go to Chochmah (wisdom), then Binah (understanding), and then to Chesed (kindness goodness), and next to Gevurah (Power strength). From there you move to Tiferet (glory) and then to Netzach (endurance) and Hod (patience). You then come to Yesod (foundation, Torah, and the Zadakim) which links to the final sphere Malkut (the kingdom of Hashem).
Compare to the New Testament.
Colossians 1:9-15 “That is why we, from the day we heard, have not ceased praying for you, and asking that you be filled with the knowledge of his will (Keter) in all wisdom (Chochmah) and spiritual understanding (Binah), to walk worthily of the master, pleasing all, bearing fruit in every good work (Chesed) and increasing in the knowledge of Elohim (hidden sepherah of Da'at), being empowered with all power (Gevurah), according to the might of his glory (Tiferet), for all endurance (Netzach) and patience (Hod) with joy, giving thanks to the father who has made us fit to share in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light (Yesod), who has delivered us from the authority of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the son of his love (Malkut), in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation. (The Sepherotic tree of life.)
Rabbi Shaul not only hits every emanation, but he also hits them in order which certainly rules out any chance of coincidence.
BECAUSE, you don't know Hebrew and you hate the Jews and Israel you have a perverted, shallow and idiotic understanding of Scripture......................you remain a False Prophet.....................
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:53 pm
le sabrage wrote:
May this House be built quickly in our time. Amen.
SEE, another sly admission that
'They' The King of The NORTH,
and his followers,
MEAN TO TAKE AUSTRALIA
FOR 'THEM'...and thanks to all who rejected God's
WARNING WORD, that described the times
and locations to watch for, 'They' nearly do...
AFTER WRECKING MOST OF THE WORLD,
as 'They' have been doing, through the GREENIE LIES
of 'Their' 'secular'/SATANIC propaganda.
DANIEL 11:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=11&t=KJV#40
40;
And at the time 6256 of the end 7093
shall the king 4428 of the south 5045 push 5055 at him:
and the king 4428 of the north 6828
shall come against him like a whirlwind 8175 ,
with chariots 7393, and with horsemen 6571,
and with many 7227 ships 591;
and he shall enter 935 into the countries 776,
and shall overflow 7857 and pass over 5674 .
45;
And he shall plant 5193 the tabernacles 168
of his palace 643 between the seas 3220
in the glorious 6643 holy 6944 mountain 2022;
yet he shall come 935 to his end 7093,
and none shall help 5826 him.
...and this still isn't it, but it isn't unrelated...
Oh dear, - Jane, Liverpool, UK, 19/10/2011 16:13,
Queen Elizabeth is our Monarch,
and Australia, with it's tiny 21+ million population,
can afford to offer to help your precious EU countries
out of their financial mess.
We are not a 'Banana Republic' because we are not a republic.
And something for all Australian's to consider:
how do you think an elected head of state of a country
this rich in natural resources, this large in area, and this tiny in population,
could prevent all those militarily powerful, population rich
but resource poor nations, from raiding us blind,
without Our Royal Family, watching over us?
- Lilly, Ballarat, Australia, 20/10/2011 3:06
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050818/Queen-Elizabeth-arrives-Australia-tour-country.html#ixzz1bFZjHfu3
Her Majesty the Queen's Personal Flag for Australia
-
Since the 1964 Royal Visit of Australia, HM Queen Elizabeth II
has used in Australia a distinctive personal flag,
rather than the Royal Standard
used when she is in the United Kingdom.
The flag is a banner of the Australian Coat of Arms
with a badge consisting of the Commonwealth Star
upon which is the Queen's Royal badge
showing her initial surmounted by a crown
and surrounded by a garland of roses and wattle.
Note that the Western Australian swan
faces away from the hoist,
the same as in the Coat of Arms.
The correct proportions are 22 x 31, not
the 1 x 2 proportions
that are used for other British Royal Standards.
true lilly wrote:Should Julia Gillard have curtsied to the Queen?
Yes70.97% (1719 votes)
No 29.03% (703 votes)
Total votes: 2422
Should Australia abandon the monarchy and become a republic?
Yes 36.7% (1042 votes)
No 63.3% (1797 votes)
Total votes: 2839
true lilly wrote:Oh and thanks, for outing so many of 'your' Co-Colluders.true lilly wrote:Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
Why are 'you' denying sizing THIS Headline, as
THE VERY IMPORTANT Headline it is?
Oh, the subject explains it.
'You' and 'your' fellow TRAITORS ARE BUSTED in it!
Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
From: AAP
October 20, 2011 12:54AM
COMMONWEALTH Ombudsman Allan Asher
is set to announce his resignation after admitting
he wrote questions for a Greens senator
to ask him in a Senate committee hearing.
Fairfax reports the Gillard government has made it clear it had
lost confidence in Mr Asher because he penned questions about
under-funding for Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young
to ask him in a senate committee hearing in May.
It said Mr Asher has met with Special Minister of State Gary Gray
to discuss his conduct where it was obvious relations between him
and the government were beyond repair.
On Monday, Mr Asher apologised to a Senate estimates committee for his
behaviour at an earlier hearing, saying it had been mistaken and he was
deeply sorry.
The paper said that while it would take a parliamentary vote to dismiss Mr Asher,
he was ready to step aside today in the face of the government's attitude.
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Oh and thanks, for outing so many of 'your' Co-Colluders.
...but I will add:
during his 3 weeks here, touring
This Glorious Land every day of those 3 weeks,
'TINTIN' SPAT VENOM at EVERY MEMORIAL TO OUR SOLDIERS,
Who FOUGHT, DIED
and WERE TORTURED as P.O.W.'s!
Yes, 'TINTIN', who RAILED AT ME,
in defence of HIS DUTCH QUEEN BEE-TRIX,
"SHE'S STILL MY QUEEN!"
"SHE IS STILL MY QUEEN!"
(Beatrix of The Netherlands),
was the First of MANY Angry rants
I received from one unstable 'poster'
(who's actual position is WAY 'above' that),
who would swing from declarations
of love, and admiration for my 'genius',
to LOUD SHOUTS of "TRAITOR", "JEW",
and then have those abuses instantly
FORGIVEN and Forgotten on claiming
to be DRUNK...AND gain More "FANS"
for those ('drunk' with), hate filled attacks.
Well, again I have to remind readers that
IT WAS FARADAY who POSTED, that TNBTN
thread doesn't 'break' CODES but USES CODE
to ORDER ATTACKS...then he also promptly,
turned on and attacked me, when I failed to
RUN Screaming In Fear of the Obvious Threats
(many of which have been carried out), still there,
PRECEDING and clearly referring to NAMES, and
ACTIONS they carried out, for any who know what
DOES goes on here, to see for themselves.
Well with that in mind, and KNOWING I Post
what God said, That THE KING of The NORTH
WILL FAIL in his Final Push at AUSTRALIA,
The Glorious Promised Land, consider what IS
CODED in this post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin  KARST dead 1 MAY HENNINGER REAGAN dead on 6 MARCH, birhday KARST TATES and KARST died on 1 MAY, the date of the HENNINGER race. KARST TATES attacke the DUTCH ROYALS. The CROWN is called KROON in dutch. He attacked the DUTCH KROON. |
Oh, there are more 'personal' details, in the full post below, but
as they are DESIGNED to HIDE the real intent in DEAFENING"Noise",
I thought I'd give you UNinvolved, innocent readers, a hand in
recognising, WHY 'they' also put so much effort into off topic post
demanding you all believe I'm 'paranoid'...ha, I WISH I WERE,
it would sure HURT LESS than SMASHED, BROKEN BONES and
The HORROR of SEEING My DAUGHTER'S CAR BLOWN UP outside
HER BEDROOM WINDOW, and other such, 'bothers' that CARING
To FREELY PUBLISH GOD'S LOVING WORD, EARNS me FROM 'them'.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin DOG and ALBANIA WAG the DOG is about creating a WAR with ALBANIA. The SPIN DOCTORS need to distract the electorate from a presidential SEX SCANDAL and construct a fake war with ALBANIA. DOGS BARK DOGS BARKING ALBANIA  ALBEN BARKLEY You have WAG THE DOG combined in this BARKING ALBEN. Vice president under TRUMAN. That TIME cover was on 28 JULY 1952. I have just linked COMEDIAN WILL ROGERS to commander WILL ROGERS of the USS VINCENNES and also of the USS CUSHING. Will Rogers born on the DogIron Ranch Tha's DOG and IRAN. The real WAG the DOG story is the WAR WITH IRAN. All WARS are WAG the DOG stories. They are all fake... ALBANIA and TIRANA. IRAN and TEHRAN. VANN and AMERICA were the parents of WILL ROGERS. VANCOUVER and VANN. WILL ROGERS and his MOTHER was AMERICA. The MOTHER road or Main street of AMERICA. WILL ROGERS HIGHWAY. WILL ROGERS, born on 4 NOVEMBER. WHITE HOUSE Will Rogers. Here his full name WHITE HOUSE at PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. PENNSYLVANIA named after WILLIAM PENN. WILLIAM PENN ROGERS. WILLIAM PENN was born same date as EISENHOWER. EISEN is IRON in german and WILL ROGERS was born in "THE WHITE HOUSE" on the DOG IRON ranch.... Now to ADAIR..... RED ADAIR was a legendary OIL WELL firefighter. RED ADAIR This is the wiki pic. Why this horrible pic? it leads to WILLIAM BARKER CUSHING. The night of OCTOBER 27 and 28. The RAID on the ALBEMARLE. ADAIR RAID RED ADAIR and OIL WELLS that are BURNING.... We have seen that in the IRAQ wars and in KUWAIT.... Red Adair dead on birthday MATA HARI He died 7 AUGUST 2004. RONALD REAGAN as the crucial link that combines all. That highschool was NOT named after RONALD REAGAN but after JOHN HENNINGER REAGAN. School in HOUSTON and HOUSTON was incorporated on the date RONALD REAGAN died. 5 JUNE. This JOHN H. REAGAN died on 6 MARCH. Birthday KARST TATES, thec attacker of the DUTCH ROYALS. ALBEN BARKLEY died 30 APRIL, day of the ATTACK. John HENNINGER Reagan HENNINGER leads to FRANKFURT Germany.  HENNINGER Tower Frankfurt JOHN HENNINGER REAGAN died on the birthday of KARST TATES. KARST dead 1 MAY HENNINGER REAGAN dead on 6 MARCH, birhday KARST TATES and KARST died on 1 MAY, the date of the HENNINGER race. KARST TATES attacke the DUTCH ROYALS. The CROWN is called KROON in dutch. He attacked the DUTCH KROON. KARST and KROON.  KARSTEN KROON wins HENNINGER TURM He won it TWICE. Last time was 2008. The year before KARST attacked the KROON. KARST and KROON in dutch is KARST-EN-KROON. Here the list of the latest winners of the HENNINGER TURM. JOHN HENNINGER REAGAN was a TEXAS Politician. KARST TATES as TAXI driver Travis Bickle..... |
ha, and funny thing here is, that when I was stranded,
alone, smashed up, on crutches at the police station
for hours, after leaving the hospital, it was "THE" Indian
TAXI DRIVER who was 'Bashed', who, REFUSED to take me
home because I didn't have enough money, THEN...not like
I could 'RUN away' and not pay a few days later, and 'they' all
KNEW there was no one else coming to 'rescue me'
in fact, 'they' wouldn't so much as call Victims of Crime or
The Salvos, to DO THEIR JOB and assist me, no I was finally
delivered to my house 'they' KNOW 'they' have the Keys to,
and dumped, alone, with no phone, computer, money, food
or friend to help my crippled body around a house still
trashed and covered in broken glass...and the 'message'
To You readers, is, 'if you don't want the same MIStreatment,
DON'T DARE share her Faith', but SERIOUSLY, who wants to
FOLLOW those so WEAK and LOW that even in such violent,
large and 'powerful' Gangs, CAN'T break the Faith of one,
little old woman, who ONLY
has God to lean on 
!
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:23 am
What The HELL is "FOUNDATION"?
I really can't be bothered re-explaining what all this means,
but I'm sure readers who have followed the exchanges between me
and my attackers, like 'tintin' and 'David Icke's' 'australian' members,
will notice "FOUNDATION" has more in common with 'tintin/them'
than 'their' tired old tactic of DENYING ACCESS,
to INDEPENDENT THINKERS/RESEARCHERS who have NOT BEEN
BOUGHT OFF, TO PEDDLE MORE TRAITOROUS PROPAGANDA.
Outgoing SA Premier Mike Rann says others can judge
by:By Tim Dornin
From:AAP
October 20, 2011 2:21PM
OUTGOING South Australian Premier Mike Rann says it's up to others to judge him.
But the man often dubbed "media Mike" is not shy about listing his government's achievements since coming to office in 2002.
By any measure it's a reasonably impressive list.
In recent weeks the premier has signed-off on the banning of mining in the
environmentally-sensitive Arkaroola Sanctuary in the Flinders Ranges
and also the deal to have BHP Billiton spend $30 billion expanding the
Olympic Dam copper and uranium mine.
Over the past decade it has
also increased spending on health and education, opening new schools and
employing more doctors and nurses.
It has also built a desalination plant, started construction on a new central hospital and
approved the major redevelopment of Adelaide Oval.
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In defence, SA secured the contracts to build the Navy's next fleet of submarines and also the air warfare destroyers.
The Government has also championed renewable energy, with SA now generating
more than half the nation's wind power and becoming a leader in solar
power.
But there's been issues too.
Mr Rann has been forced to deny an affair with a former parliamentary waitress and
watched on as his deputy and long-serving treasurer Kevin Foley was twice assaulted.
A Labor MP was also charged with child pornography offences and was suspended
from the ALP while there have also been a simmering row with the union movement over cuts to public sector jobs and conditions.
That
row has characterised the sometimes wider criticism levelled at Mr Rann
and his government, that they don't always listen to the people or
properly consult before
finalising projects or policies.
In a balancing act, the wins probably outweigh the losses, but as Mr Rann suggests,
the final say will be up to others.
"Overall I think that one day people will probably say all of these things were
about a state that's more confident about itself, more outward looking,"
he says.
"That we're a destination again rather than a beloved home town that people
had to leave to find opportunities elsewhere."
More personally, Mr Rann says being the SA Premier has been the
"greatest privilege of my life".
"I wanted to leave the state in better shape than I found it, and I wanted
to leave the party in better shape than when I took over," he says.
"I think on both of those there's big tick."
Mr Rann is expected to officially stand down as premier tomorrow.
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I really can't be bothered re-explaining what all this means,
but I'm sure readers who have followed the exchanges between me
and my attackers, like 'tintin' and 'David Icke's' 'australian' members,
will notice "FOUNDATION" has more in common with 'tintin/them'
than 'their' tired old tactic of DENYING ACCESS,
to INDEPENDENT THINKERS/RESEARCHERS who have NOT BEEN
BOUGHT OFF, TO PEDDLE MORE TRAITOROUS PROPAGANDA.
Outgoing SA Premier Mike Rann says others can judge
by:By Tim Dornin
From:AAP
October 20, 2011 2:21PM
OUTGOING South Australian Premier Mike Rann says it's up to others to judge him.
But the man often dubbed "media Mike" is not shy about listing his government's achievements since coming to office in 2002.
By any measure it's a reasonably impressive list.
In recent weeks the premier has signed-off on the banning of mining in the
environmentally-sensitive Arkaroola Sanctuary in the Flinders Ranges
and also the deal to have BHP Billiton spend $30 billion expanding the
Olympic Dam copper and uranium mine.
Over the past decade it has
also increased spending on health and education, opening new schools and
employing more doctors and nurses.
It has also built a desalination plant, started construction on a new central hospital and
approved the major redevelopment of Adelaide Oval.
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Mike Rann: The man who 'saved' Arkaroola Adelaide Now, 4 days ago
In defence, SA secured the contracts to build the Navy's next fleet of submarines and also the air warfare destroyers.
The Government has also championed renewable energy, with SA now generating
more than half the nation's wind power and becoming a leader in solar
power.
But there's been issues too.
Mr Rann has been forced to deny an affair with a former parliamentary waitress and
watched on as his deputy and long-serving treasurer Kevin Foley was twice assaulted.
A Labor MP was also charged with child pornography offences and was suspended
from the ALP while there have also been a simmering row with the union movement over cuts to public sector jobs and conditions.
That
row has characterised the sometimes wider criticism levelled at Mr Rann
and his government, that they don't always listen to the people or
properly consult before
finalising projects or policies.
In a balancing act, the wins probably outweigh the losses, but as Mr Rann suggests,
the final say will be up to others.
"Overall I think that one day people will probably say all of these things were
about a state that's more confident about itself, more outward looking,"
he says.
"That we're a destination again rather than a beloved home town that people
had to leave to find opportunities elsewhere."
More personally, Mr Rann says being the SA Premier has been the
"greatest privilege of my life".
"I wanted to leave the state in better shape than I found it, and I wanted
to leave the party in better shape than when I took over," he says.
"I think on both of those there's big tick."
Mr Rann is expected to officially stand down as premier tomorrow.
about foundation
Fact sheet
Company Details:
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(previously Davinci-Selectwork)
ABN 66 110 479 617
Level 7, 120 Pacific Highway, St Leonards, NSW 2065
Credit Rating – AA
Established August 2004
26 Employee’s
Majority shareholder – Clemenger Group Limited Pty Ltd
Core Business:
Media Strategy, Planning, Buying, Research, Analytics and Creative Services
Media billings – $80M, Foundation is part of the Omnicom Media Group
who invest $1.2B with media owners to leverage competitive media rates
for clients.
Key Clients:
Mercedes-Benz, AUSTAR Entertainment, Guide Dogs Australia, CSR –
Monier, Fuel TV, Tony Ferguson Weightloss, Opera Australia, GJ Gardner
& KAO Australia, Living Social.
Contact:
Martin Patton – Managing Director
Martin.Patton@foundation-aus.com
Lvl 7, 120 Pacific Highway, St Leonards, NSW 2065, Australia
Phone: 61 2 8093 8050
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We believe in the power of an idea and bringing it to
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however our point of difference is that we are media led. This model
allows us to take ownership of the entire campaign delivery and
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Our mantra is creating opportunity.
This forms the Foundation of our thinking.
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Resources
Foundation is unique in that we operate as an independent business
but backed by the Clemenger Group, Australia’s largest communications
group.
Our ownership guarantees security and access to market leading resources normally reserved for large multinational agencies.
We can deliver an end-to-end campaign, strategy to channel planning to creation to implementation and through to measurement.
about foundation
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Everyone at Foundation has the opportunity to be a shareholder and to
have some ‘skin in the game’, which has its unique benefits.
It allows Foundation to be a true entrepreneurial business where
staff members are each empowered to create opportunities for our
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ROI is fundamental in delivery of effective campaigns. Our
strategies are guided by business and consumer insights. Foundation has
invested heavily in consumer research and macro-analytics, which
influence and support our communications planning. We believe better
insight delivers better results.
Having media and creative working together means both disciples feed
of each other and are working on a common strategy. Activating the
opportunity is about bringing the idea to life across multiple channels
cohesively.
Our media planners and buyers are connected through the entire
process and help guide the outcome. They work closely with media owners
and focus on maximising value, whilst reducing the opportunity cost.
Then we learn and refine.
services
Planning & buying
Some like to separate the planning and buying functions by calling it
communications planning or channel planning and traders or investors.
We simply call it implementation planning.
The two functions are intrinsically linked, we believe in one
cohesive approach with media owners to access every available asset for
the best possible price.
The key reason being that channel mix, media weight and opportunities
to create memorable campaigns are relevant to cost and the key to a
‘win’ negotiation is not to be divided.
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market, we place a high importance on it and it’s why we back ourselves
with performance related remuneration structures.
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
mugglez Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:17 am
le sabrage wrote:Yahshua's Kabbalah
http://rabdavis.org/yahshuas%20%20kabbalah.htm
Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)
Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.
In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.
Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.
Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.
In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.
In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.
On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9:
In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).
A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.
Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.
The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.
The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.
Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.
The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:
My Father,
Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!
The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.
Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?
His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.
In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.
All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.
Amein
el kabong wrote:Here's an example right here in this Thread. What was it? invisible..............answer my Counter-argument you wench...................el kabong wrote:el kabong wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst
git yer groove on!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROMtrue lilly wrote:
and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last
hey suzi/not so tru lilly, I see you've made a new fan/reader.
what you know about YHWHs Commandments you could fit in a thimble and have lots of room left over. Your new fan says it well.
Your dog don't hunt. never did. never will.
One effect of an Alphabetic based Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather then the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.
The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerent of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.
This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.
As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.
When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this dicombobulated Moses so much he dropped the two stone Tablets Yahweh had written the ten commandments.
Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Ihage and Written Word, both were destroyed.
As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set. Yahweh also taught Moses the Alephbet.
The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of Yahweh, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.
The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.
Loving your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.
The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codexes of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.
Each one of the four encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.
One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.
Social Engineering.
The 10 Commandments: The First four concern Recognition/Respect and Service/Worship of Yahweh.
The remaining six are love and respect of fellow humans.
The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated then other contemporary ANE Cultures.
The commandment to honour BOTH Father and Mother signifies the womens important role and in the Family Unit.
Loving Neighbours is in the General Torah/Instruction: Leviticus 19:18
The last six commandments are not unusual, the first four commandments are unique. Each of the first four encourage Alphabetic literacy by rejecting the right brains way of knowing.
The First Commandment:
20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.
In one fell swoop subserviates all other elohim/gods & goddesses.
Nothing personal, it was business.
The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existant, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subserviant to Him. Psalm 82
Psalm 82
82:1 Yahweh standeth in the congregation of El; he judgeth among the elohim.
82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.
82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
All of Yahwehs Titles are masculine.
The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.
Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses. Full Stop.
Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.
The Second Commandment:
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.
Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.
Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.
The Third Commandment:
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.
Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.
To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.
The Fourth Commandment:
20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.
This facilitates the learning of Aritmatic.
Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,
No other ANE culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.
The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.
Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.
Non-Literated peeps tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.
Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.
A Judgements day only occurs in Literate Cultures.
Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.
The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.
This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.
A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden and the Farmland every seven years isto lay fallow to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.
This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.
Time is a key function of the Left Brain.
Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.
Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.
This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.
Do you realise how you contradict yourself? The First Commandment is a pillar of the Torah/Instruction (which you insult and falsly declare was 'done away with') of YHWH Elohim, and it declares that the Hebrews were in Egypt/Mizraim, which you deny.
Torah means Instruction. YHWH Elohim has provided aLL humankind with His Instruction, who are you to say otherwise?
A lying, false prophet.
You are really a mental case like Billy Rueben has documented.
el kabong wrote:fuk suzis aka tru lillys complaints about Kity Kat Posts.
Suzi, aka tru lilly, listen to this hooman
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May this House be built quickly in our time. Amen.
SEE, another sly admission that
'They' The King of The NORTH,
and his followers,
MEAN TO TAKE AUSTRALIA
FOR 'THEM'...................
er........suzi........................only the rankest moron(you) would have projected that reply to my Post.........well done....again.
FYI...they are talking about Jerusalem, in Israel.....................what don't you understand about that?
Was YHWHS previous two Temples in Australia?
NO.
Israel is the Eternal Promised Land................NOT Australia.........
Neither will be the Third, and when the New Jerusalem decends it will over the old Jerusalem in.................Israel, not Australia..............it is futile for you to twist and pervert the Scriptures of YHWH, the Prophets you quote, out of context, are YHWHs Prophets, they speak of Israel..........NOT Australia..................suzi/lily.....you remain p.a.t.h.e.t.i.c......Analysis of Daniel 11:2-35
Daniel 11 fits the history of the Seleucids and Ptolemies like a pair of tailor-made gloves."
The vision in Daniel 11:2-35 is set in the third year of the Persian King Cyrus the Great (ca. 536 B.C.). The Greek conqueror Alexander the Great is briefly mentioned in Daniel 11:2 as a "warrior king," and the fourfold division of his empire is referred to in Daniel 11:3. Daniel 11:5-20 describes the wars between the Ptolemiac and Seleucid Empires. Daniel 11:21-35 is devoted to Antiochus Epiphanes, his rise to power, attacks on Egypt, and subsequent persecution of the Jews. The reader should particularly note the increased attention given to detail as the vision focuses on the second century B.C. and the tyranny of Antiochus. . http://www.bibleplus.org/prophecy/kings.html
Suzi, you remain a Bullshit Artist...........
Daniel 11 fits the history of the Seleucids and Ptolemies like a pair of tailor-made gloves."
Some insightful Bible students noticed, the proof lies in the obvious identity that exists between Daniel's "the king of the north" in the last days and Ezekiel's "Gog" of the latter days. By comparing what is said about each of them in the two prophecies, it is manifest that they can only be different titles for the same being.
Ezekiel Chapter 38 and 39 = Daniel 11:45
Their geographical position is the same. "Gog's" country is in the north part in relation to the Holy Land; as it is written, "Thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts". "Gog" is therefore "the king of the north", his place or country being there.
Both of them are adversaries of Israel and invaders of the Holy Land. The eleventh chapter of Daniel abundantly proves this in relation to "the king of the north"; and of "Gog", Yahoueh said: "Thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land".
The time they invade the land is the same. "The king of the north" invades in the last days. Of "Gog" it is said: "It shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land".
The same peoples are named as components of their armies. The Libyans and Ethiopians are allies with "the king of the north"; and in the enumeration of Gog's forces, it says, "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them".
Who is "Gog"? Which land is the land of "Magog"?
Some people think that "Gog" is the Devil. But does the context support this idea? Ezekiel wrote that after "Gog's" last attack he will fall and then be buried by the people. (Ez.39:4,11) So there is no need to prove that "Gog" represents the Devil as we know that the devil does not have a body of flesh and bone and has no need for a grave. Thus, in actuality, whom does "Gog" symbolize?
"Gog" is the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal. Meshech, the sixth son of Japheth (Genesis 10:2) is the founder of a tribe (1 Chronicles 1:5; Ezekiel 27:13; 38:2,3). They were in all probability the Moschi people, inhabiting the Moschian Mountains, between the Black and the Caspian Seas. In Psalms 120:5 the name occurs simply as a synonym for foreigners or barbarians. "During the ascendancy of the Babylonians and Persians in Western Asia, the Moschi were subdued; but it seems probable that a large number of them crossed the Caucasus range and spread over the northern steppes, mingling with the Scythians. There they became known as Muscovs and gave this name to the Russian nation and its ancient capital by which they are still generally known throughout the East" (Easton's Bible Dictionary).
Many ancient sources have clearly identified "Magog" as referring to the "Scythians".
One of the earliest references to Magog was made by Hesiod, "the father of Greek didactic poetry" who identified Magog with the Scythians and southern Russia in the 7th century B.C. Hesiod was a contemporary of Ezekiel.
Josephus Flavius clearly identified Magog. "Magog founded the Magogians, thus named after him, but who were by the Greeks called Scythians". (Josephus, Antiquities, 1.123; Jerome, Commentary on Ezekiel 38:2)
The Greek historian Herodotus wrote that in the fifth century B.C. the Scythians ruled from the Don River, in present southern Russia, to the Carpathian Mountains in central Europe.
Philo, is another historian in the first century A.D. who identified "Magog" with southern Russia.
Ancient authorities clearly identified the Scythians as the ancestors of the present day Russians.
However, even without that information, the identity of "Magog" is not too difficult to figure out. In Ezekiel 38:15, it says: "And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee". The "north parts" is literally the "extreme, or uttermost" parts of the north.
Who are "the kings of the north" and "south"? Who are the "kings" of this chapter?
Daniel 11:2
Since the Prophecy was given in the third year of Cyrus (Daniel 10:1), the three kings that were to "stand up yet", that is, "after him", were Cambyses II, Smerdis the Magian imposter, Darius I Hystaspes.
The fourth king, Xerxes I, stirred up Persia against Greece, which he invaded in 480 B.C. but failed to conquer. Since prophecy touches only upon important events and characters, the remaining kings of Persia are omitted, and the prophecy jumps over nearly 150 years to the time of Alexander the Great 336-323 B.C.E.
Daniel 11:3,4
"A valiant king", Alexander the Great, whose kingdom after his death was divided into four parts.
1) Seleucus I - who began the Seleucid (Syrian) empire, from Turkey to India.
2) Cassander - who took over Macedonia (Greece).
3) Lysimachus - who took Thracia (between Greece and Turkey).
4) Ptolemy I - who ruled over Egypt.
Daniel 11:5
After the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C., the throne of Egypt fell to Ptolemy I Soter, the son of Lagus, the king of the south.
"One of his princes", Seleucus I, Nicator ["the king of the north"] also rose to power, and took over the region of Syria. He eventually became more powerful than his former Egyptian ruler.
Daniel 11:6
"The daughter of the king of the south" = Berenice II, daughter of Ptolemy II Philadelphus.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus II Theos.
Two years after the marriage, Berenice's father (Ptolemy Philadelphus) died.
Antiochus restored Laodice and put away Berenice.
He was then poisoned by Laodice.
Berenice fled with her children to Daphne where she was killed.
Daniel 11:7-9
A "branch of her roots" will come with an army. This was Berenice's brother, Ptolemy III Euregetes, "the king of the south".
"The king of the north" is Seleucus II Kallinikos, son of Laodice who was defeated in a later invasion of Egypt. He lost most of Asia Minor along with losing to the military expansion of Ptolemy III who put his mother, Laodice, to death.
Verse 9: "And [the king of the north] will enter into the kingdom of the king of the south, but will return to his own land". (literal translation)
Seleucus II, son of the deceased Laodice, sought revenge for the vengeance taken by Ptolemy III. "Justin says that he fitted out a great fleet, which was destroyed by a violent storm; and after this he raised a great army to recover his dominion, but was defeated by Ptolemy, and fled in great terror and trembling to Antioch" (Gill's Commentary).
Daniel 11:10-12
His ["the king of the north"] sons = Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus III, the Great.
"The king of the south" = Ptolemy IV Philopator.
Ptolemy IV defeated the much larger army of Antiochus III at the Battle of Raphia in 217.
Daniel 11:13-17
"The king of the south" = Ptolemy V Epiphanes.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus III.
Antiochus III gives his daughter Cleopatra I to Ptolemy V, in hopes of permanent influence in Egypt.
Verse 14a: "And in those times many will rise against the king of the south".
At this time, many of the Egyptians began rebelling against the ruling Grecian family and began rioting and defying them.
Verse 14b: "And the sons of the violent ones of your people shall rise up to establish the vision, but they shall stumble". (LIT)
This verse speaks of the violent sons of Daniel's nation. Many commentators suggest that these people will stand up against the king of the south, but this text foretells that these people will lift themselves up to establish the vision. They were called a violent people by Ezekiel who in this way described them as shedders of blood. (18:10a) The word vision [in Aramaic chezev; in Hebrew chazown] is used in the Book of Daniel e.g. in: 7:1,2,7,13,15; 8:1,2,13,15,17,26; 9:24; 10:14; 11:14. All of these visions prophecy of the future persecution of God's nation, that would be fulfilled in the distant future. (Daniel 8:17; 10:14)
What kind of violent people would lift themselves in the ancient time, to fulfill the inspired visions and prophecies before their time? The First Book of the Maccabees clearly indicates the Maccabees as being these violent people. (1:54; 6:7) Until now, many commentators believe that the Maccabees fulfilled the prophecies of the Book of Daniel. But Jesus said that the vision which concerns the abomination of desolation and the persecutions of God's nation will be fulfilled in the future. (Compare Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13:1-
Verse 11:16b "and he standeth in the desirable land, and it is wholly in his hand". (YLT)
After one hundred years, Palestine again changed hands. The Seleucid king, Antiochus III, took control of Palestine c. 200 B.C.E.
Daniel 11:18
Antioch III against the Roman Empire.
"Ruler" = Lucius Cornelius, the Roman general.
The Romans humbled him (191) at Thermopylae and again at Magnesia (190).
Daniel 11:19a
Subsequently, Antiochus was forced to campaign within his own lands to stop his satraps from declaring themselves independent rulers.
Daniel 11:19b
"He shall stumble and fall, and shall not be found" = end of the period of greatness for the Seleucid Empire. (Compare Revelation 18:21; Jeremiah 51:64)
Daniel 11:20
"And stood up on his station hath one causing an exactor to pass over the honour of the kingdom, and in a few days he is destroyed, and not in anger, nor in battle". (YLT)
"The king of the north" = Caesar Augustus. The first Roman emperor.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.
In 2 B.C., Augustus sent out "an exactor" by ordering a registration, or census, most likely to learn the size of the population for purposes of taxation and military conscription. Because of this decree, Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem for registration, resulting in Jesus' birth at that foretold location. (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1-12)
Daniel didn’t prophecy that "the king of the north" would die "after a few days" from this event, but would die in the undetermined future "after a few days". In the end of July, in the year 14 A.D., August left Rome. He took a vacation in his old age and health. On the 19th of August, after a short sickness, he "passed away peacefully, not feeling any pain". While traveling in Campania, Augustus died "in a few days", neither "in anger" at an assassin's hands nor "in warfare", but after a short illness.
Many say that "the king of the north" is Seleucus IV Philopater, who sent out his finance minister, Heliodorus to collect taxes. But Seleucus was murdered in a conspiracy engineered by Heliodorus. It is said that the king here was to however die a natural death (not one of anger or of battle). Therefore, this writing does not conform to Seleucus IV. Also, verse 21 cannot carry over to the rule of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
Daniel 11:21-23
Verse 21: "And in his place shall arise a despised. And they will not give him the royal majesty. He will come in a time of peace and will seize the kingdom through duplicity".
"The king of the north" = Tiberius 14-37.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.
"The ruler of the covenant" = Jesus [Yeshua].
Augustus only chose him after more favored heirs had died.
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says, Tiberius played politics with the Senate and did not allow it to name him emperor for almost a month [after Augustus died]". He told the Senate that no one but Augustus was capable of carrying the burden of ruling the Roman Empire and asked the senators to restore the republic by entrusting such authority to a group of men rather than to one man. "Not daring to take him at his word", wrote historian Will Durant, "the Senate exchanged bows with him until at last he accepted power". Durant added: "The play was well acted on both sides. Tiberius wanted the principate, or he would have found some way to evade it; the Senate feared and hated him, but shrank from reestablishing a republic based, like the old, upon theoretically sovereign assemblies". Thus, Tiberius took hold of the kingdom by means of duplicity.
Verse 22: "And the arms of the flood shall be swept from before his face, and they will be broken, and also the ruler of a covenant".
In 15 A.D., Germanicus led his forces against the German hero Arminius, with some success. However, the limited victories were won at great cost, and Tiberius thereafter aborted operations in Germany. Instead, by promoting civil war, he tried to prevent German tribes from uniting. Tiberius generally favoured a defensive foreign policy and focused on strengthening the frontiers. This stance was fairly successful. In this way "the arms of the flood" were controlled and were "broken".
"Broken" too was "the Leader of the covenant" = Jesus [Yeshua]. (Compare Isaiah 55:4; Daniel 9:25, 27a)
Verse 23: "And after they join themselves to him, he will do guile, and he will exalt himself, and will do strong by a few of the people".
The oath of loyalty bound the army and officials to the Tiberius.
"Sextus Pompeius and Sextus Apuleius, the consuls, were the first to swear allegiance to Tiberius Caesar, and in their presence the oath was taken by Seius Strabo and Caius Turranius, respectively the commander of the praetorian cohorts and the superintendent of the corn supplies. Then the Senate, the soldiers and the people did the same".
Those few people were the Roman Praetorian Guard, encamped close to Rome's walls. Its proximity intimidated the Senate and helped Tiberius keep in check any uprisings against his authority among the populace. By means of some 10.000 guards Tiberius remained mighty.
Daniel 11:24
"In a time of peace he will come against [sense: will attack] the fattest [sense: mighty] of the land, and he will do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers: prey, and spoil, and substance, their possession he will distribute. And against strongholds he will devise his schemes until the appointed time".
"The king of the north" = Tiberius and next emperors.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.
The word "mashman" refers here to fattest [sense: mighty]. (Compare Ps.78:31 and Is.10:16)
Because he was very suspicious, Emperor Tiberius, extended the law of laesa majestas. Many senators were put to death on a charge of treason against the emperor. For the people of the provinces, it was a peaceful and well-ordered time.
Daniel 11:25,26a
Aurelian (270-275) against Queen Zenobia of Palmyra ["the king of the south"].
The Palmyrene army occupied Egypt in 269 B.C.E. under the pretext of making it secure for Rome. Zenobia wanted to make Palmyra the dominant city in the east and wanted to rule over Rome's eastern provinces. Alarmed by her ambition, Aurelian aroused "his power and his heart" to proceed against Zenobia.
Zenobia valiantly defended it, but without success. She and her son fled toward Persia, only to be captured by the Romans at the Euphrates River. The Palmyrenes surrendered their city in 272 B.C. Aurelian spared Zenobia, making her the prize feature in his triumphal procession through Rome in 274 B.C. She spent the rest of her life as a Roman matron.
Aurelian himself 'did not stand because of schemes against him.' In 275 B.C., he set out on an expedition against the Persians. While he was waiting in Thrace for the opportunity to cross the straits into Asia Minor, those who 'ate his food' carried out schemes against him and brought about his "breakdown". He was going to call his secretary Eros to account for irregularities. Eros, however, forged a list of names of certain officers marked for death. The sight of this list moved the officers to plot Aurelian's assassination and to murder him.
Daniel 11:26b. (Compare Daniel 9:26b)
"and his army will be flooded and many will fall down slain".
Decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
"The strength of Aurelian had crushed on every side the enemies of Rome. After his death they seemed to revive with an increase of fury and of numbers".
Daniel 11:27
"And both these kings, their hearts (will be) to do mischief, and at one table (they) will speak a lie. But it will not succeed, for yet (the) finish to (the) appointed time." (11:27, literal translation)
It certainly suggests that the verse does not concern to the ancient times. It describes the end of times right before the appointed time. (Compare Daniel 11:29a)
Russia and England (from second half of the XIX Century).
Egyptian history dates back to about 4000 B.C., when the kingdoms of upper and lower Egypt, already highly sophisticated, were united. Egypt's golden age coincided with the 18th and 19th dynasties (16th to 13th century B.C.), during which the empire was established. Persia conquered Egypt in 525 B.C.E, Alexander the Great subdued it in 332 B.C.E., and then the Ptolemaic dynasty ruled the land until 30 B.C., when Cleopatra, last of the line, committed suicide and Egypt became a Roman, then Byzantine, province. Arab caliphs ruled Egypt from 641 until 1517, when the Turks took it for their Ottoman Empire. Napoléon's armies occupied the country from 1798 to 1801. In 1805, Mohammed Ali, leader of a band of Albanian soldiers, became pasha of Egypt. After completion of the Suez Canal in 1869, the French and British took increasing interest in Egypt. British troops occupied Egypt in 1882, and British resident agents became its actual administrators, though it remained under nominal Turkish sovereignty. In 1914, this fiction was ended, and Egypt became a protectorate of Britain.
Russia grew expanding its power over huge regions, and by the end of XIX century Russia possessed territories from the mouths of the Danube and Visla in the west, reached the Pacific Ocean in the east, began in the Euroasian tundra in the north and had borders with Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan and China in the south.
In 1907, an Anglo-Russian agreement divided Persia into English and Russian spheres of influence, a large Russian sphere in the north, covering the most valuable part of the country, a neutral sphere in the centre, and a smaller British sphere in the southeast.
Daniel 11:28
"And (he) ["the king of the north"] will go back (to) his land with great wealth; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant; and will act effectively; and turned back to his own land." (literal translation)
History of Russia after World War II.
The passage contains enough details, which allow for a correct interpretation.
Daniel foretells here that "the king of the north" [Russia] will not only be successful in WW II, but also that he returns to his land with a great amount of goods. If only Hitler had listened to Mussolini and the Japanese, who in 1943 advised him to stop military actions, the prophetic detail would have never been fulfilled.
Daniel 11:28b
"and turned back to his own land".
The break-up of the Soviet Union and return to the country of Russian garrisons (the liquidation of Russian military bases).
The prophecy of Daniel 11 is the key to understanding what is going to happen in the future.
The latter statements Jesus' and Daniel's are alike.
Matthew 24:5,6 (Luke 21:8,9) = Daniel 11:27,28 = XIX, XX, XXI Century, before the World War III
"Many for will come in the name of me, saying: 'I am the anointed'; and many they will mislead." (Matthew 24:5, literal translation)
"He said, 'Watch out that you don't get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, 'I AM,' and, 'The time is at hand.' Therefore don't follow them." (Luke 21:8, WEB)
"Don't be afraid when you hear of wars and revolutions; such things must happen first, but they do not mean that the end is near." (Luke 21:9, GNB)
Matthew 24:7 = Daniel 11:29,30 = WW III
Matthew 24:15 = Daniel 11:31 = "trampling of Jerusalem" [the great tribulation of Christian minorities; compare Revelation 11]
Matthew 24:29 = Daniel 11:40 = WW IV
Daniel 11:29a
"At (the) appointed time (he) will return, and will enter into (the) south."
1. Russian troops will be station abroad again.
2. "The king of the north" will come into the South.
Daniel 11:29b,30
"But will not be as (the) former or as (the) latter. For will come against him (the) dwellers of coastlands of Kittim, and (he) will be humbled, and will return." (literal translation)
1. The West will come against the Russia.
2. "The king of the north" will be humbled, and will return.
(Compare Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4)
Daniel 11:31
1. The nations will trample "the holy city" [of those who belong to Christ] forty-two months. (Compare Revelation 11:2,7; 13:5,7a; Luke 21:24b; Matthew 24:21,22; Daniel 7:25; 9:27; Isaiah 29:1-8,20-24; Matthew 13:40-43,49,50; Ezekiel 13:8-16,20-23; 34:10; 2Thessalonians 2:8b; Isaiah 28:1-4,17-22; 6:13; Malachi 3:1-5)
The religious organizations from among Christian minorities which Jesus compared to "the weeds", will be "burned". (Mt.13:30) Yahoueh will protect the righteous ones. (Re.11:1) "The wheat" will be put into "the storehouse" after the tribulation – which means that "the sons of the kingdom" will become gathered and unified at that time. They will shine as brightly as the sun after the tribulation.
2. "The abomination of desolation" [the World Government] will be set up. (Revelation 13:7b; Daniel 12:11)
Daniel 11:32-35
Details of their future global religious persecution. (Compare Daniel 8:11,12; Revelation 6:9-11; 12:15)
Daniel 11:36-39
Russia before the World War IV. (Compare Ezekiel 38:7)
Daniel 11:40
The World War IV. (Compare Luke 21:25; Isaiah 5:26-30; Matthew 24:29; Daniel 7:11; Revelation 13:3; Ezekiel 32:2-16; Habakkuk 1:5-17; Revelation 6:12; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Joel 2:1-11,31, ASV)
Daniel 11:41
Occupation of Israel. (Compare Ezekiel 39:23-29)
Daniel 11:42,43
The triumph of Russia. (Compare Isaiah 10:12-15)
Daniel 11:44,45
Russia again will attack Israel. (Compare Daniel 12:1; Joel 2:20; Isaiah 14:4-27; Habakkuk 3:3-16)
"Many will study, therefore understanding will be multiplied". (Daniel 12:4b)
What is the Bible's scenario?
1. Russian troops station abroad again. (Daniel 11:29a)
2. "The king of the north" becomes very aggressive and enters into the south. (Daniel 11:29a)
3. The West opposes Russia. (Daniel 11:30; Matthew 24:7a; Revelation 6:4)
4. "The king of the north" is humiliated, and turns back. (Daniel 11:30). He does not make the same mistake as Hitler did, he does not fight to the death and this is why Russia is not occupied.
5. The World Government appears after that war which replaces the ineffective UN. Its power gradually rises. (Revelation 13:1,2,7b; Daniel 11:31b)
6. Russia rebuilds its military power very fast and acts effectively on the world scene. (Daniel 11:30b)
7. "Russia’s rulers pay attention to those "who forsake the holy covenant". (Daniel 11:30b)
8. A man "of fierce countenance, and understanding ambiguous sayings" becomes the president of the USA, and he begins to fight with Christian minorities. (Daniel 8:23-25)
9. There is a tribulation of "Jerusalem" = it is a tribulation of Christian minorities, which lasts 42 month’s. (Daniel 11:31a; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13:5-7a; Matthew 13:40-42,49,50; 24:48-51)
The Christian communities, which are now called sects, are decimated. It is the biggest genocide concerning religion in history. The eyes of people who were deceived by them will be opened. (Isaiah 6:9-13)
The "tyrant", according to LXX “lawless” = the rulers of Christian minorities will be removed. (Isaiah 29:1-8,20,21) Ezekiel calls them "women". (Ezekiel 13:17-23; Revelation 14:4a; Isaiah 3:12) Paul names them "the man of lawlessness". (2 Thessalonians 2:4,8b)
10. Immediately after the tribulation of those days "the abomination of desolation", in other words the World Government will be set up [will given authority; Revelation 13]. (Daniel 11:31b; 12:11) The Book of Revelation calls it a "beast". (11:7; 13:1,2,7,
11. The spirit is poured out upon people who belong to Jesus. (Revelation 11:11-13) The "wheat" = the sons of kingdom, will be gathered into the "storehouse" after burning the "weeds" = organized Christian churches which earlier posed as the churches of Christ. (Matthew 13:30b; Eph.1:9,10) And then Jesus will set up a "faithful slave" over his whole possession. (Matthew 24:45-47)
12. The seven trumpets start to sound. Those who belong to Jesus are revealing future events to the World. They will also try to explain what God thinks of certain issues. (Revelation 8:6-10:11)
13. The power in Russia will be taken over by a dictator who is atheist. The military power will be his god. (Daniel 11:36-39)
14. Not longer after that, there will be the WWIV. That time Russia will triumph the same as it did after the WWII. (Daniel 11:40; Daniel 7:11; Luke 21:25; Revelation 13:3a). "The king of the north" will act as a "God’s hammer" ravaging many countries like Babylon in ancient times. (Jeremiah 51:20,25)
15. Russia occupies Israel as well. (Daniel 11:41)
16. After that war the World Government is resuscitated. The "purple beast" will be given even more power. The politicians will relinquish their sovereignty in favor of the beast. (Revelation 13:14; 17:8,17)
17. Attack on "Babylon the Great" = big, apostatized churches, drunk with blood of innocent people, which betrayed God and Jesus by co-operating with kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:16)
18. Next, nations see the sign of the Son of man (Matthew 24:30). Probably it will be connected with the first resurrection (Revelation 20:6). People who have died in union with Jesus will rise first (among 144.000). They will get a spirit body at the resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:35,44) What will be the proof of the resurrection? Immediately after that, remaining of 144,000 will be transfigured (1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). Simultaneously they will be caught away from the earth and taken to heaven. The transfigurations of belonging to Jesus dependably will not be seen and it will cause a great expression on nations.
19. The whole nation of Israel is converting and gathering. (Ezekiel 39:25-29; Romans 11:25-32). After taking to heaven belonging to group of 144,000 nation of Israel will be a light for the nations. God will be with them and will pour his spirit over them. (Ezekiel 39:29)
20. Rebuilding of the Temple according to directions given to Ezekiel. (Ezekiel 37:24-28; 43:11)
21. There will be collection of chosen, separation the "sheep from the goats". (Matthew 24:31; 25:31-44; Revelation 14:15,16).
22. "The king of the north" will attack people who worship the true God [Israel] (Ezekiel 38:10-12). "The beast" [the word government] also will take part in this attack. (Revelation 19:19).
23. After Armageddon the power on the world will be taken over by the "new heaven" = the kingdom of God i.e. Jesus and belonging to him. (Daniel 7:27; Matthew 6:10; Revelation 21:1-4) "The old heaven" = imperfect system of authority created by man will go away. Rules and the law created by imperfect people which are captivating and making difficulty will be untied. All activities remaining uncovered, good or bad will be revealed, all crimes will come to light. (2 Peter 3:10; 1 Timothy 5:25).
24. The rest of dead will come to life! The earth will become the paradise. (Acts 24:15; Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 11:6-9; 25:8; 35:5-7). When the thousand year’s period of Jesus’ kingdom will end people who come to life during this period are put to the test. And then they will really come to life God’s point of view and then they will get ability to live forever. (Revelation 20:5a,7,8; comp. Luke 15:32; 1 John 3:14).
"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth will I cause you to hear them". (Isaiah 42:9)
see suzi? you ignore Genesis 10, the Table of Nations and thus pervert and twist scripture to conform to your insanity..which is distorted and deformed..............capiche?
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.pdf
..............The Table of Nations in
Genesis 10--Its Content
Allen P. RossThe previous article in this series dealt with the structure of
the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.1 The deliberate design in its
construction, symmetry, and unity were examined in an effort to
understand its purpose as a tOdl;OT. But in addition to the evi-
deuce from its structure, there is a wealth of information about
the nations of the world that is important for the complete under-
standing of this chapter within the message of Genesis.
The Analysis of the Passage
The heading of the chapter (Gen. 10:1) declares that this is
the record of the particulars of what became of Shem, Ham, and
Japheth after the Flood. The verse serves not only as a heading for
the Table, but also as a literary connection back to Genesis 9:18
and 28. It is to be read with the oracle of Noah in mind!....................The sons of Japheth are seven. Gomer, mentioned also in
Ezekiel 38:6, represents the Cimmerians, thought to be of the
same stock as the Scythians.5 Magog is also mentioned in Ezekiel
(38:2 and 39:6) as the land of Gog, the region between Armenia
and Cappadocia; the name seems to represent the Scythian
hordes southeast of the Black Sea.6
THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)
More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of
Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,
Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-
Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine
respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both
places and tribes.
Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to
Africa. The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is
used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.
Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In
antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern
flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it
served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the
Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the
African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.
Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost
ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt.
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mugglez Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:40 am
lilly: when you lie, twist and deform Scripture you are hurting yourself.......... .............The biblical commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and restrictions on people limiting their freedom, but as a Divine Communication that can be seen as generous; teaching, instructing(Torah); Humanbeings how life works and what to do and not do to make the best of it.
Within the mitzvot/commandments are all the instructions(Torah) neccessary for human conduct in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap great benefit from living within alignment with the Laws of the Universe.
Who is wise?
They who can foresee the consequences of their action.
In Hebraic/Biblical thought, the whole function of the Torah(instruction) is to turn the soul away from the things of the 'Flesh'; from egoistic to altruistic...........During our life our soul either attaches to the things of the 'flesh'---to the Path of Darkness; or it attaches to the things of the Spirit.............becoming a Child of the Light........
.............The biblical commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and restrictions on people limiting their freedom, but as a Divine Communication that can be seen as generous; teaching, instructing(Torah); Humanbeings how life works and what to do and not do to make the best of it. Within the mitzvot/commandments are all the instructions(Torah) neccessary for human conduct in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap great benefit from living within alignment with the Laws of the Universe.
Who is wise?
They who can foresee the consequences of their action.
In Hebraic/Biblical thought, the whole function of the Torah(instruction) is to turn the soul away from the things of the 'Flesh'; from egoistic to altruistic...........During our life our soul either attaches to the things of the 'flesh'---to the Path of Darkness; or it attaches to the things of the Spirit.............becoming a Child of the Light........
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The Queen inspects the guard at the
Royal Military College Duntroon in Canberra this morning.
AFPtrue lilly wrote:Royal praise for 'dynamic' Australia[/size]
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THE Queen has hailed Australia's "extraordinary" growth
in self-confidence and global standing during the first speech
of her visit.
Australia dynamic, energetic, says Queen
by:Michael Harvey
From:Herald Sun
October 22, 2011 12:00AM
Royal visit
Queen's itinerary
Queen Elizabeth and Julia Gillard meet Australian basketball star Liz Cambage. AP
HE Queen hailed Australia's "extraordinary" growth in self-confidence and
global standing during the first speech of her royal visit last night.
Drawing parallels with her own 59-year reign, the sovereign paid rich tribute
to the emergence of a "prosperous, energetic and dynamic" nation
The Queen gives her speech in Canberra. Picture: Lyndon Mechielsen
"Ever since I first came here in 1954, I have watched Australia grow and develop
at an extraordinary rate," she said.
"This country has made dramatic progress economically, in social, scientific
and industrial endeavours - and, above all, in self-confidence."
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The Queen was speaking at an invitation-only parliamentary
reception, held in her honour and that of Prince Philip by Prime
Minister Julia Gillard, at Parliament House.
Australia's armed forces drew special praise, as the Queen offered tribute to the fallen
in Afghanistan and the two soldiers awarded the Victoria Cross.
She also remembered with sadness Australia's summer of natural disasters, praising the courage of those affected.
Australia's history of political freedom led to free expression and was the basis
for national success at art, sport and economic enterprise.
"With this foundation, Australia has flourished and achieved excellence on the world stage," she said.
"The award of the Nobel Prize in physics to Prof Brian Schmidt earlier this month
is but one example."
The royal couple looked at ease amid the relaxed proceedings, with
the Queen wearing an ivory silk ensemble.
They
spent about 30 minutes mingling with guests, who included former
governors-general, Australians of the Year and round-the-world sailor
Jessica Watson.
Ms Gillard praised the Queen as a "beloved and respected friend" and
a "wise and gracious sovereign who has spent her life in the cause of duty".
Wearing silvery colours strikingly similar to the Queen's, the PM invoked
former PM Sir Robert Menzies's famous "I did but see her passing by" speech.
"Far from passing by, you have endured," she said.
"You have endured with dignity and abiding strength of spirit."
The royal couple chuckled at a quip from Opposition Leader Tony Abbott,
recalling how Prince Philip once asked actor Cate Blanchett to fix the
palace DVD player when she was introduced as "someone who worked in movies".
"Only locals are allowed to joke about our Cate so that makes you at least
an honorary Australian," he said.
Mr Abbott described the Queen as "one of us" and praised her life as
"an exemplar of the ideals of duty and service that make societies strong
and civilisations last".
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POLICE have vowed not to take a backward step
as Occupy Melbourne protesters promise more disruption in the city today.
Queen hails Duntroon as colours presented
by:AAP
From:AAP
October 22, 2011
12:19PM
The Queen inspects the guard at the Royal Military College Duntroon in Canberra this morning. AFP
THE Queen has presented new royal colours to the Royal Military College (RMC) at Duntroon, for the fourth time in her reign.
Her Majesty said she was pleased to
present the colours to RMC in its 100th anniversary year.
"The college has held an esteemed position in the training of Australian
officers for war and peace time service over the past 100 years," she
told cadets, college staff, military chiefs and families at the RMC
parade ground in Canberra today.
"The dedicated and outstanding service your graduates have provided to the nation
is a milestone to be celebrated."
The RMC was founded in 1911 and is
Australia's equivalent of Sandhurst in Britain and West Point in the US,
training army officer cadets who graduate as lieutenants.
The Queen, 85, said this was the fourth time she had presented RMC with a new colour.
Presentation of the Colours
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"On each occasion I have been most impressed with the discipline
and determination of the college's graduates, many of whom have gone on
to serve their nation with distinction on operations around the world,
often in difficult and dangerous circumstances.
"Many have give their lives in defence of their country and their values."
The Queen, who was wearing an electric-blue dress, coat and hat by Angela Kelly,
said the presentation of colours was a special opportunity to recognise past achievements,
to give thanks for commitment and loyalty and express confidence in the future.
The current RMC year comprises
400 cadets, including
23 international students from
11 countries.
Including staff and the RMC band, there were more than 500 personnel
on parade for Her Majesty, who was accompanied by the Duke of Edinburgh.
After the parade the Queen will meet Staff Cadet Harriet Pembroke, the
granddaughter of Lieutenant Colonel Arthur "Bushy" Pembroke, to whom Her
Majesty presented the Military Cross in 1953.
The Brisbane-born Lt-Col Pembroke, a RMC graduate, was awarded the cross for bravery
while commanding a platoon in the Korean War against Hill 317 during the battle of
Maryang San in October 1951.
It was one of two significant battles involving Australian personnel during the war.
The RMC received its first royal colours from the Queen's father,
King George VI, in 1927.
Her Majesty presented her own colours to RMC in 1957, 1970 and 1988.
Colours, or standards, are made of silk
and fulfill a significant role in a military unit.
Historically, they have been the rallying point for soldiers on the battlefield.
By tradition, the old colours are laid up in a place regarded as sacred,
and in this case that will be in the RMC chapel.
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le sabrage wrote:le sabrage wrote:Yahshua's Kabbalah
http://rabdavis.org/yahshuas%20%20kabbalah.htm
Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)
Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.
In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.
Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.
Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.
In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.
In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.
On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9:
In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).
A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.
Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.
The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.
The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.
Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.
The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:
My Father,
Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!
The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.
Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?
His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.
In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.
All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.
Amein
el kabong wrote:Here's an example right here in this Thread. What was it? invisible..............answer my Counter-argument you wench...................el kabong wrote:el kabong wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst
git yer groove on!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROMtrue lilly wrote:
and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last
hey suzi/not so tru lilly, I see you've made a new fan/reader.
what you know about YHWHs Commandments you could fit in a thimble and have lots of room left over. Your new fan says it well.
Your dog don't hunt. never did. never will.
One effect of an Alphabetic based Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather then the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.
The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerent of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.
This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.
As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.
When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this dicombobulated Moses so much he dropped the two stone Tablets Yahweh had written the ten commandments.
Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Ihage and Written Word, both were destroyed.
As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set. Yahweh also taught Moses the Alephbet.
The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of Yahweh, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.
The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.
Loving your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.
The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codexes of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.
Each one of the four encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.
One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.
Social Engineering.
The 10 Commandments: The First four concern Recognition/Respect and Service/Worship of Yahweh.
The remaining six are love and respect of fellow humans.
The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated then other contemporary ANE Cultures.
The commandment to honour BOTH Father and Mother signifies the womens important role and in the Family Unit.
Loving Neighbours is in the General Torah/Instruction: Leviticus 19:18
The last six commandments are not unusual, the first four commandments are unique. Each of the first four encourage Alphabetic literacy by rejecting the right brains way of knowing.
The First Commandment:
20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.
In one fell swoop subserviates all other elohim/gods & goddesses.
Nothing personal, it was business.
The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existant, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subserviant to Him. Psalm 82
Psalm 82
82:1 Yahweh standeth in the congregation of El; he judgeth among the elohim.
82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.
82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
All of Yahwehs Titles are masculine.
The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.
Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses. Full Stop.
Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.
The Second Commandment:
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.
Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.
Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.
The Third Commandment:
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.
Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.
To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.
The Fourth Commandment:
20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.
This facilitates the learning of Aritmatic.
Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,
No other ANE culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.
The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.
Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.
Non-Literated peeps tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.
Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.
A Judgements day only occurs in Literate Cultures.
Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.
The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.
This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.
A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden and the Farmland every seven years isto lay fallow to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.
This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.
Time is a key function of the Left Brain.
Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.
Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.
This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.
Do you realise how you contradict yourself? The First Commandment is a pillar of the Torah/Instruction (which you insult and falsly declare was 'done away with') of YHWH Elohim, and it declares that the Hebrews were in Egypt/Mizraim, which you deny.
Torah means Instruction. YHWH Elohim has provided aLL humankind with His Instruction, who are you to say otherwise?
A lying, false prophet.
You are really a mental case like Billy Rueben has documented.el kabong wrote:fuk suzis aka tru lillys complaints about Kity Kat Posts.
Suzi, aka tru lilly, listen to this hooman
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May this House be built quickly in our time. Amen.
SEE, another sly admission that
'They' The King of The NORTH,
and his followers,
MEAN TO TAKE AUSTRALIA
FOR 'THEM'...................
er........suzi........................only the rankest moron(you) would have projected that reply to my Post.........well done....again.
FYI...they are talking about Jerusalem, in Israel.....................what don't you understand about that?
Was YHWHS previous two Temples in Australia?
NO.
Israel is the Eternal Promised Land................NOT Australia.........
Neither will be the Third, and when the New Jerusalem decends it will over the old Jerusalem in.................Israel, not Australia..............it is futile for you to twist and pervert the Scriptures of YHWH, the Prophets you quote, out of context, are YHWHs Prophets, they speak of Israel..........NOT Australia..................suzi/lily.....you remain p.a.t.h.e.t.i.c......Analysis of Daniel 11:2-35
Daniel 11 fits the history of the Seleucids and Ptolemies like a pair of tailor-made gloves."
http://www.bibleplus.org/prophecy/kings.html
Suzi, you remain a Bullshit Artist...........
Daniel 11 fits the history of the Seleucids and Ptolemies like a pair of tailor-made gloves."
Some insightful Bible students noticed, the proof lies in the obvious identity that exists between Daniel's "the king of the north" in the last days and Ezekiel's "Gog" of the latter days. By comparing what is said about each of them in the two prophecies, it is manifest that they can only be different titles for the same being.
Ezekiel Chapter 38 and 39 = Daniel 11:45
Their geographical position is the same. "Gog's" country is in the north part in relation to the Holy Land; as it is written, "Thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts". "Gog" is therefore "the king of the north", his place or country being there.
Both of them are adversaries of Israel and invaders of the Holy Land. The eleventh chapter of Daniel abundantly proves this in relation to "the king of the north"; and of "Gog", Yahoueh said: "Thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land".
The time they invade the land is the same. "The king of the north" invades in the last days. Of "Gog" it is said: "It shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land".
The same peoples are named as components of their armies. The Libyans and Ethiopians are allies with "the king of the north"; and in the enumeration of Gog's forces, it says, "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them".
Who is "Gog"? Which land is the land of "Magog"?
Some people think that "Gog" is the Devil. But does the context support this idea? Ezekiel wrote that after "Gog's" last attack he will fall and then be buried by the people. (Ez.39:4,11) So there is no need to prove that "Gog" represents the Devil as we know that the devil does not have a body of flesh and bone and has no need for a grave. Thus, in actuality, whom does "Gog" symbolize?
"Gog" is the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal. Meshech, the sixth son of Japheth (Genesis 10:2) is the founder of a tribe (1 Chronicles 1:5; Ezekiel 27:13; 38:2,3). They were in all probability the Moschi people, inhabiting the Moschian Mountains, between the Black and the Caspian Seas. In Psalms 120:5 the name occurs simply as a synonym for foreigners or barbarians. "During the ascendancy of the Babylonians and Persians in Western Asia, the Moschi were subdued; but it seems probable that a large number of them crossed the Caucasus range and spread over the northern steppes, mingling with the Scythians. There they became known as Muscovs and gave this name to the Russian nation and its ancient capital by which they are still generally known throughout the East" (Easton's Bible Dictionary).
Many ancient sources have clearly identified "Magog" as referring to the "Scythians".
One of the earliest references to Magog was made by Hesiod, "the father of Greek didactic poetry" who identified Magog with the Scythians and southern Russia in the 7th century B.C. Hesiod was a contemporary of Ezekiel.
Josephus Flavius clearly identified Magog. "Magog founded the Magogians, thus named after him, but who were by the Greeks called Scythians". (Josephus, Antiquities, 1.123; Jerome, Commentary on Ezekiel 38:2)
The Greek historian Herodotus wrote that in the fifth century B.C. the Scythians ruled from the Don River, in present southern Russia, to the Carpathian Mountains in central Europe.
Philo, is another historian in the first century A.D. who identified "Magog" with southern Russia.
Ancient authorities clearly identified the Scythians as the ancestors of the present day Russians.
However, even without that information, the identity of "Magog" is not too difficult to figure out. In Ezekiel 38:15, it says: "And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee". The "north parts" is literally the "extreme, or uttermost" parts of the north.
Who are "the kings of the north" and "south"? Who are the "kings" of this chapter?
Daniel 11:2
Since the Prophecy was given in the third year of Cyrus (Daniel 10:1), the three kings that were to "stand up yet", that is, "after him", were Cambyses II, Smerdis the Magian imposter, Darius I Hystaspes.
The fourth king, Xerxes I, stirred up Persia against Greece, which he invaded in 480 B.C. but failed to conquer. Since prophecy touches only upon important events and characters, the remaining kings of Persia are omitted, and the prophecy jumps over nearly 150 years to the time of Alexander the Great 336-323 B.C.E.
Daniel 11:3,4
"A valiant king", Alexander the Great, whose kingdom after his death was divided into four parts.
1) Seleucus I - who began the Seleucid (Syrian) empire, from Turkey to India.
2) Cassander - who took over Macedonia (Greece).
3) Lysimachus - who took Thracia (between Greece and Turkey).
4) Ptolemy I - who ruled over Egypt.
Daniel 11:5
After the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C., the throne of Egypt fell to Ptolemy I Soter, the son of Lagus, the king of the south.
"One of his princes", Seleucus I, Nicator ["the king of the north"] also rose to power, and took over the region of Syria. He eventually became more powerful than his former Egyptian ruler.
Daniel 11:6
"The daughter of the king of the south" = Berenice II, daughter of Ptolemy II Philadelphus.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus II Theos.
Two years after the marriage, Berenice's father (Ptolemy Philadelphus) died.
Antiochus restored Laodice and put away Berenice.
He was then poisoned by Laodice.
Berenice fled with her children to Daphne where she was killed.
Daniel 11:7-9
A "branch of her roots" will come with an army. This was Berenice's brother, Ptolemy III Euregetes, "the king of the south".
"The king of the north" is Seleucus II Kallinikos, son of Laodice who was defeated in a later invasion of Egypt. He lost most of Asia Minor along with losing to the military expansion of Ptolemy III who put his mother, Laodice, to death.
Verse 9: "And [the king of the north] will enter into the kingdom of the king of the south, but will return to his own land". (literal translation)
Seleucus II, son of the deceased Laodice, sought revenge for the vengeance taken by Ptolemy III. "Justin says that he fitted out a great fleet, which was destroyed by a violent storm; and after this he raised a great army to recover his dominion, but was defeated by Ptolemy, and fled in great terror and trembling to Antioch" (Gill's Commentary).
Daniel 11:10-12
His ["the king of the north"] sons = Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus III, the Great.
"The king of the south" = Ptolemy IV Philopator.
Ptolemy IV defeated the much larger army of Antiochus III at the Battle of Raphia in 217.
Daniel 11:13-17
"The king of the south" = Ptolemy V Epiphanes.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus III.
Antiochus III gives his daughter Cleopatra I to Ptolemy V, in hopes of permanent influence in Egypt.
Verse 14a: "And in those times many will rise against the king of the south".
At this time, many of the Egyptians began rebelling against the ruling Grecian family and began rioting and defying them.
Verse 14b: "And the sons of the violent ones of your people shall rise up to establish the vision, but they shall stumble". (LIT)
This verse speaks of the violent sons of Daniel's nation. Many commentators suggest that these people will stand up against the king of the south, but this text foretells that these people will lift themselves up to establish the vision. They were called a violent people by Ezekiel who in this way described them as shedders of blood. (18:10a) The word vision [in Aramaic chezev; in Hebrew chazown] is used in the Book of Daniel e.g. in: 7:1,2,7,13,15; 8:1,2,13,15,17,26; 9:24; 10:14; 11:14. All of these visions prophecy of the future persecution of God's nation, that would be fulfilled in the distant future. (Daniel 8:17; 10:14)
What kind of violent people would lift themselves in the ancient time, to fulfill the inspired visions and prophecies before their time? The First Book of the Maccabees clearly indicates the Maccabees as being these violent people. (1:54; 6:7) Until now, many commentators believe that the Maccabees fulfilled the prophecies of the Book of Daniel. But Jesus said that the vision which concerns the abomination of desolation and the persecutions of God's nation will be fulfilled in the future. (Compare Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13:1-
Verse 11:16b "and he standeth in the desirable land, and it is wholly in his hand". (YLT)
After one hundred years, Palestine again changed hands. The Seleucid king, Antiochus III, took control of Palestine c. 200 B.C.E.
Daniel 11:18
Antioch III against the Roman Empire.
"Ruler" = Lucius Cornelius, the Roman general.
The Romans humbled him (191) at Thermopylae and again at Magnesia (190).
Daniel 11:19a
Subsequently, Antiochus was forced to campaign within his own lands to stop his satraps from declaring themselves independent rulers.
Daniel 11:19b
"He shall stumble and fall, and shall not be found" = end of the period of greatness for the Seleucid Empire. (Compare Revelation 18:21; Jeremiah 51:64)
Daniel 11:20
"And stood up on his station hath one causing an exactor to pass over the honour of the kingdom, and in a few days he is destroyed, and not in anger, nor in battle". (YLT)
"The king of the north" = Caesar Augustus. The first Roman emperor.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.
In 2 B.C., Augustus sent out "an exactor" by ordering a registration, or census, most likely to learn the size of the population for purposes of taxation and military conscription. Because of this decree, Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem for registration, resulting in Jesus' birth at that foretold location. (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1-12)
Daniel didn’t prophecy that "the king of the north" would die "after a few days" from this event, but would die in the undetermined future "after a few days". In the end of July, in the year 14 A.D., August left Rome. He took a vacation in his old age and health. On the 19th of August, after a short sickness, he "passed away peacefully, not feeling any pain". While traveling in Campania, Augustus died "in a few days", neither "in anger" at an assassin's hands nor "in warfare", but after a short illness.
Many say that "the king of the north" is Seleucus IV Philopater, who sent out his finance minister, Heliodorus to collect taxes. But Seleucus was murdered in a conspiracy engineered by Heliodorus. It is said that the king here was to however die a natural death (not one of anger or of battle). Therefore, this writing does not conform to Seleucus IV. Also, verse 21 cannot carry over to the rule of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
Daniel 11:21-23
Verse 21: "And in his place shall arise a despised. And they will not give him the royal majesty. He will come in a time of peace and will seize the kingdom through duplicity".
"The king of the north" = Tiberius 14-37.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.
"The ruler of the covenant" = Jesus [Yeshua].
Augustus only chose him after more favored heirs had died.
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says, Tiberius played politics with the Senate and did not allow it to name him emperor for almost a month [after Augustus died]". He told the Senate that no one but Augustus was capable of carrying the burden of ruling the Roman Empire and asked the senators to restore the republic by entrusting such authority to a group of men rather than to one man. "Not daring to take him at his word", wrote historian Will Durant, "the Senate exchanged bows with him until at last he accepted power". Durant added: "The play was well acted on both sides. Tiberius wanted the principate, or he would have found some way to evade it; the Senate feared and hated him, but shrank from reestablishing a republic based, like the old, upon theoretically sovereign assemblies". Thus, Tiberius took hold of the kingdom by means of duplicity.
Verse 22: "And the arms of the flood shall be swept from before his face, and they will be broken, and also the ruler of a covenant".
In 15 A.D., Germanicus led his forces against the German hero Arminius, with some success. However, the limited victories were won at great cost, and Tiberius thereafter aborted operations in Germany. Instead, by promoting civil war, he tried to prevent German tribes from uniting. Tiberius generally favoured a defensive foreign policy and focused on strengthening the frontiers. This stance was fairly successful. In this way "the arms of the flood" were controlled and were "broken".
"Broken" too was "the Leader of the covenant" = Jesus [Yeshua]. (Compare Isaiah 55:4; Daniel 9:25, 27a)
Verse 23: "And after they join themselves to him, he will do guile, and he will exalt himself, and will do strong by a few of the people".
The oath of loyalty bound the army and officials to the Tiberius.
"Sextus Pompeius and Sextus Apuleius, the consuls, were the first to swear allegiance to Tiberius Caesar, and in their presence the oath was taken by Seius Strabo and Caius Turranius, respectively the commander of the praetorian cohorts and the superintendent of the corn supplies. Then the Senate, the soldiers and the people did the same".
Those few people were the Roman Praetorian Guard, encamped close to Rome's walls. Its proximity intimidated the Senate and helped Tiberius keep in check any uprisings against his authority among the populace. By means of some 10.000 guards Tiberius remained mighty.
Daniel 11:24
"In a time of peace he will come against [sense: will attack] the fattest [sense: mighty] of the land, and he will do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers: prey, and spoil, and substance, their possession he will distribute. And against strongholds he will devise his schemes until the appointed time".
"The king of the north" = Tiberius and next emperors.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.
The word "mashman" refers here to fattest [sense: mighty]. (Compare Ps.78:31 and Is.10:16)
Because he was very suspicious, Emperor Tiberius, extended the law of laesa majestas. Many senators were put to death on a charge of treason against the emperor. For the people of the provinces, it was a peaceful and well-ordered time.
Daniel 11:25,26a
Aurelian (270-275) against Queen Zenobia of Palmyra ["the king of the south"].
The Palmyrene army occupied Egypt in 269 B.C.E. under the pretext of making it secure for Rome. Zenobia wanted to make Palmyra the dominant city in the east and wanted to rule over Rome's eastern provinces. Alarmed by her ambition, Aurelian aroused "his power and his heart" to proceed against Zenobia.
Zenobia valiantly defended it, but without success. She and her son fled toward Persia, only to be captured by the Romans at the Euphrates River. The Palmyrenes surrendered their city in 272 B.C. Aurelian spared Zenobia, making her the prize feature in his triumphal procession through Rome in 274 B.C. She spent the rest of her life as a Roman matron.
Aurelian himself 'did not stand because of schemes against him.' In 275 B.C., he set out on an expedition against the Persians. While he was waiting in Thrace for the opportunity to cross the straits into Asia Minor, those who 'ate his food' carried out schemes against him and brought about his "breakdown". He was going to call his secretary Eros to account for irregularities. Eros, however, forged a list of names of certain officers marked for death. The sight of this list moved the officers to plot Aurelian's assassination and to murder him.
Daniel 11:26b. (Compare Daniel 9:26b)
"and his army will be flooded and many will fall down slain".
Decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
"The strength of Aurelian had crushed on every side the enemies of Rome. After his death they seemed to revive with an increase of fury and of numbers".
Daniel 11:27
"And both these kings, their hearts (will be) to do mischief, and at one table (they) will speak a lie. But it will not succeed, for yet (the) finish to (the) appointed time." (11:27, literal translation)
It certainly suggests that the verse does not concern to the ancient times. It describes the end of times right before the appointed time. (Compare Daniel 11:29a)
Russia and England (from second half of the XIX Century).
Egyptian history dates back to about 4000 B.C., when the kingdoms of upper and lower Egypt, already highly sophisticated, were united. Egypt's golden age coincided with the 18th and 19th dynasties (16th to 13th century B.C.), during which the empire was established. Persia conquered Egypt in 525 B.C.E, Alexander the Great subdued it in 332 B.C.E., and then the Ptolemaic dynasty ruled the land until 30 B.C., when Cleopatra, last of the line, committed suicide and Egypt became a Roman, then Byzantine, province. Arab caliphs ruled Egypt from 641 until 1517, when the Turks took it for their Ottoman Empire. Napoléon's armies occupied the country from 1798 to 1801. In 1805, Mohammed Ali, leader of a band of Albanian soldiers, became pasha of Egypt. After completion of the Suez Canal in 1869, the French and British took increasing interest in Egypt. British troops occupied Egypt in 1882, and British resident agents became its actual administrators, though it remained under nominal Turkish sovereignty. In 1914, this fiction was ended, and Egypt became a protectorate of Britain.
Russia grew expanding its power over huge regions, and by the end of XIX century Russia possessed territories from the mouths of the Danube and Visla in the west, reached the Pacific Ocean in the east, began in the Euroasian tundra in the north and had borders with Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan and China in the south.
In 1907, an Anglo-Russian agreement divided Persia into English and Russian spheres of influence, a large Russian sphere in the north, covering the most valuable part of the country, a neutral sphere in the centre, and a smaller British sphere in the southeast.
Daniel 11:28
"And (he) ["the king of the north"] will go back (to) his land with great wealth; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant; and will act effectively; and turned back to his own land." (literal translation)
History of Russia after World War II.
The passage contains enough details, which allow for a correct interpretation.
Daniel foretells here that "the king of the north" [Russia] will not only be successful in WW II, but also that he returns to his land with a great amount of goods. If only Hitler had listened to Mussolini and the Japanese, who in 1943 advised him to stop military actions, the prophetic detail would have never been fulfilled.
Daniel 11:28b
"and turned back to his own land".
The break-up of the Soviet Union and return to the country of Russian garrisons (the liquidation of Russian military bases).
The prophecy of Daniel 11 is the key to understanding what is going to happen in the future.
The latter statements Jesus' and Daniel's are alike.
Matthew 24:5,6 (Luke 21:8,9) = Daniel 11:27,28 = XIX, XX, XXI Century, before the World War III
"Many for will come in the name of me, saying: 'I am the anointed'; and many they will mislead." (Matthew 24:5, literal translation)
"He said, 'Watch out that you don't get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, 'I AM,' and, 'The time is at hand.' Therefore don't follow them." (Luke 21:8, WEB)
"Don't be afraid when you hear of wars and revolutions; such things must happen first, but they do not mean that the end is near." (Luke 21:9, GNB)
Matthew 24:7 = Daniel 11:29,30 = WW III
Matthew 24:15 = Daniel 11:31 = "trampling of Jerusalem" [the great tribulation of Christian minorities; compare Revelation 11]
Matthew 24:29 = Daniel 11:40 = WW IV
Daniel 11:29a
"At (the) appointed time (he) will return, and will enter into (the) south."
1. Russian troops will be station abroad again.
2. "The king of the north" will come into the South.
Daniel 11:29b,30
"But will not be as (the) former or as (the) latter. For will come against him (the) dwellers of coastlands of Kittim, and (he) will be humbled, and will return." (literal translation)
1. The West will come against the Russia.
2. "The king of the north" will be humbled, and will return.
(Compare Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4)
Daniel 11:31
1. The nations will trample "the holy city" [of those who belong to Christ] forty-two months. (Compare Revelation 11:2,7; 13:5,7a; Luke 21:24b; Matthew 24:21,22; Daniel 7:25; 9:27; Isaiah 29:1-8,20-24; Matthew 13:40-43,49,50; Ezekiel 13:8-16,20-23; 34:10; 2Thessalonians 2:8b; Isaiah 28:1-4,17-22; 6:13; Malachi 3:1-5)
The religious organizations from among Christian minorities which Jesus compared to "the weeds", will be "burned". (Mt.13:30) Yahoueh will protect the righteous ones. (Re.11:1) "The wheat" will be put into "the storehouse" after the tribulation – which means that "the sons of the kingdom" will become gathered and unified at that time. They will shine as brightly as the sun after the tribulation.
2. "The abomination of desolation" [the World Government] will be set up. (Revelation 13:7b; Daniel 12:11)
Daniel 11:32-35
Details of their future global religious persecution. (Compare Daniel 8:11,12; Revelation 6:9-11; 12:15)
Daniel 11:36-39
Russia before the World War IV. (Compare Ezekiel 38:7)
Daniel 11:40
The World War IV. (Compare Luke 21:25; Isaiah 5:26-30; Matthew 24:29; Daniel 7:11; Revelation 13:3; Ezekiel 32:2-16; Habakkuk 1:5-17; Revelation 6:12; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Joel 2:1-11,31, ASV)
Daniel 11:41
Occupation of Israel. (Compare Ezekiel 39:23-29)
Daniel 11:42,43
The triumph of Russia. (Compare Isaiah 10:12-15)
Daniel 11:44,45
Russia again will attack Israel. (Compare Daniel 12:1; Joel 2:20; Isaiah 14:4-27; Habakkuk 3:3-16)
"Many will study, therefore understanding will be multiplied". (Daniel 12:4b)
What is the Bible's scenario?
1. Russian troops station abroad again. (Daniel 11:29a)
2. "The king of the north" becomes very aggressive and enters into the south. (Daniel 11:29a)
3. The West opposes Russia. (Daniel 11:30; Matthew 24:7a; Revelation 6:4)
4. "The king of the north" is humiliated, and turns back. (Daniel 11:30). He does not make the same mistake as Hitler did, he does not fight to the death and this is why Russia is not occupied.
5. The World Government appears after that war which replaces the ineffective UN. Its power gradually rises. (Revelation 13:1,2,7b; Daniel 11:31b)
6. Russia rebuilds its military power very fast and acts effectively on the world scene. (Daniel 11:30b)
7. "Russia’s rulers pay attention to those "who forsake the holy covenant". (Daniel 11:30b)
8. A man "of fierce countenance, and understanding ambiguous sayings" becomes the president of the USA, and he begins to fight with Christian minorities. (Daniel 8:23-25)
9. There is a tribulation of "Jerusalem" = it is a tribulation of Christian minorities, which lasts 42 month’s. (Daniel 11:31a; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13:5-7a; Matthew 13:40-42,49,50; 24:48-51)
The Christian communities, which are now called sects, are decimated. It is the biggest genocide concerning religion in history. The eyes of people who were deceived by them will be opened. (Isaiah 6:9-13)
The "tyrant", according to LXX “lawless” = the rulers of Christian minorities will be removed. (Isaiah 29:1-8,20,21) Ezekiel calls them "women". (Ezekiel 13:17-23; Revelation 14:4a; Isaiah 3:12) Paul names them "the man of lawlessness". (2 Thessalonians 2:4,8b)
10. Immediately after the tribulation of those days "the abomination of desolation", in other words the World Government will be set up [will given authority; Revelation 13]. (Daniel 11:31b; 12:11) The Book of Revelation calls it a "beast". (11:7; 13:1,2,7,
11. The spirit is poured out upon people who belong to Jesus. (Revelation 11:11-13) The "wheat" = the sons of kingdom, will be gathered into the "storehouse" after burning the "weeds" = organized Christian churches which earlier posed as the churches of Christ. (Matthew 13:30b; Eph.1:9,10) And then Jesus will set up a "faithful slave" over his whole possession. (Matthew 24:45-47)
12. The seven trumpets start to sound. Those who belong to Jesus are revealing future events to the World. They will also try to explain what God thinks of certain issues. (Revelation 8:6-10:11)
13. The power in Russia will be taken over by a dictator who is atheist. The military power will be his god. (Daniel 11:36-39)
14. Not longer after that, there will be the WWIV. That time Russia will triumph the same as it did after the WWII. (Daniel 11:40; Daniel 7:11; Luke 21:25; Revelation 13:3a). "The king of the north" will act as a "God’s hammer" ravaging many countries like Babylon in ancient times. (Jeremiah 51:20,25)
15. Russia occupies Israel as well. (Daniel 11:41)
16. After that war the World Government is resuscitated. The "purple beast" will be given even more power. The politicians will relinquish their sovereignty in favor of the beast. (Revelation 13:14; 17:8,17)
17. Attack on "Babylon the Great" = big, apostatized churches, drunk with blood of innocent people, which betrayed God and Jesus by co-operating with kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:16)
18. Next, nations see the sign of the Son of man (Matthew 24:30). Probably it will be connected with the first resurrection (Revelation 20:6). People who have died in union with Jesus will rise first (among 144.000). They will get a spirit body at the resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:35,44) What will be the proof of the resurrection? Immediately after that, remaining of 144,000 will be transfigured (1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). Simultaneously they will be caught away from the earth and taken to heaven. The transfigurations of belonging to Jesus dependably will not be seen and it will cause a great expression on nations.
19. The whole nation of Israel is converting and gathering. (Ezekiel 39:25-29; Romans 11:25-32). After taking to heaven belonging to group of 144,000 nation of Israel will be a light for the nations. God will be with them and will pour his spirit over them. (Ezekiel 39:29)
20. Rebuilding of the Temple according to directions given to Ezekiel. (Ezekiel 37:24-28; 43:11)
21. There will be collection of chosen, separation the "sheep from the goats". (Matthew 24:31; 25:31-44; Revelation 14:15,16).
22. "The king of the north" will attack people who worship the true God [Israel] (Ezekiel 38:10-12). "The beast" [the word government] also will take part in this attack. (Revelation 19:19).
23. After Armageddon the power on the world will be taken over by the "new heaven" = the kingdom of God i.e. Jesus and belonging to him. (Daniel 7:27; Matthew 6:10; Revelation 21:1-4) "The old heaven" = imperfect system of authority created by man will go away. Rules and the law created by imperfect people which are captivating and making difficulty will be untied. All activities remaining uncovered, good or bad will be revealed, all crimes will come to light. (2 Peter 3:10; 1 Timothy 5:25).
24. The rest of dead will come to life! The earth will become the paradise. (Acts 24:15; Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 11:6-9; 25:8; 35:5-7). When the thousand year’s period of Jesus’ kingdom will end people who come to life during this period are put to the test. And then they will really come to life God’s point of view and then they will get ability to live forever. (Revelation 20:5a,7,8; comp. Luke 15:32; 1 John 3:14).
"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth will I cause you to hear them". (Isaiah 42:9)
see suzi? you ignore Genesis 10, the Table of Nations and thus pervert and twist scripture to conform to your insanity..which is distorted and deformed..............capiche?
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.pdf..............The Table of Nations in
Genesis 10--Its Content
Allen P. RossThe previous article in this series dealt with the structure of
the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.1 The deliberate design in its
construction, symmetry, and unity were examined in an effort to
understand its purpose as a tOdl;OT. But in addition to the evi-
deuce from its structure, there is a wealth of information about
the nations of the world that is important for the complete under-
standing of this chapter within the message of Genesis.
The Analysis of the Passage
The heading of the chapter (Gen. 10:1) declares that this is
the record of the particulars of what became of Shem, Ham, and
Japheth after the Flood. The verse serves not only as a heading for
the Table, but also as a literary connection back to Genesis 9:18
and 28. It is to be read with the oracle of Noah in mind!....................The sons of Japheth are seven. Gomer, mentioned also in
Ezekiel 38:6, represents the Cimmerians, thought to be of the
same stock as the Scythians.5 Magog is also mentioned in Ezekiel
(38:2 and 39:6) as the land of Gog, the region between Armenia
and Cappadocia; the name seems to represent the Scythian
hordes southeast of the Black Sea.6THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)
More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of
Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,
Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-
Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine
respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both
places and tribes.
Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to
Africa. The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is
used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.
Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In
antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern
flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it
served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the
Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the
African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.
Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost
ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt.
Ahoy!!!! I agree le sabrage, why does 'tru lilly' continue to lie and deceive in the face of such overwhelming and supported evidence?
Is she a drunkard?
Drunk on her own pride?
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
Billy Ruben Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:27 am
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:
Hail warning across Victoria
5:08PM
Brigid OConnell
GOLF-ball sized hailstones have pelted Ballarat as central and southwest Victoria prepare for more wild weather.
Hailstones the size of golf balls have been reported in Ballarat.
The Daily Telegraph
Hail warning across VictoriaOctober 22, 2011
5:08PM[/size]
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/hail-warning-across-state/story-e6frf7jo-1226173885738
Look at the thread title...what does it say?...and you spam with Aussie shit,keep it for your threads.
This is Tiswas's thread,fuckoff,until you show this fine sub-continental lady the respect she fucking deserves,now Gyppo thief,pissoffCalling you a Gyppo thief to your face,is far more honest and brave than your mild,subtle racism,that everyone can see.Do not call them my Mob,you're not one of us...Gubba
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:Queen hails Duntroon
If you're that patriotic for Oztralia,why did your son study fucking useless philosophy,when he could be making mum proud,stick him in military college at Duntroon,go and fight a foreign war on foreign soil,dumb as you are I'd say,he'd get his head blown off,that's if he does'nt break on recruit course,crying for mummy,like I bloody did.If he cops it,you got all the attention a whore like you longs for,fuck Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome,you might even get a cuddle from Julia Gillard,on camera...Mmmmmm,hugged and kissed by poisonous snakes,you'd prefer...but of course,they're family...snake woman
aBilly Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:
Told you Kharma exist.
That bullshit signature you got,dogspunk...you said that email was hacked and forged,sent out something that incriminated you? I did'nt think you'd be worried about looking like an idiot,you do that well,without being reminded.
I post as and who I am;
independent, unaffiliated
and happy to discuss the
things 'they' desperately
tell the world, to reject,
without consideration.
true-lilly@hotmail.com
What a load of shite...
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:Three horses victims of tail thief
Isn't that the queens sister,Princess Anne.
I can see why you like the royals,good (in)breeders,like yourself there Lulzy.
Personally,I would'nt wipe my arse with you or the royals...and by God,like you,they're extremely ugly.
Billy Ruben wrote:Ciggy wrote:I see she's moved on from dogs to horses.
Cool!...still plenty of material to work with...
hmmm,that was a dud...try this then
Whhhattt!!!...I'm not hitting Porn Tube...
Whoooaaa...he's a goer,god,does'nt go easy sticking it in either...all,50 inches of him
Billy Ruben wrote:le sabrage wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:Ciggy wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:Ciggy wrote:true lilly wrote:[size=24]What The [b]HELL is "FOUNDATION"?
It's makeup used by pretty girls, which is why you know fuckall about it.
she does'nt believe in "sex within marriage",it's not kinky,quirky,screwed up enough to ignite her fire...
It apparently has to involve dogs. Not that there's anything right with that...
How did you guess???
WOOF<WOOF...they got long tongues and with the correct sauce...
Thankyou,thankyou very much.
Got a thousand of them.
Mr LeSabrage,you're not into visualising are you,well don't when you read my post about True Lilly...scared myself quite a few times with that one...it takes a few bongs to steady my shot nerves to make post on Sodlike these days...it was Lilly,not the cops that broke me...
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"tintin"=The BLOODY 'Well' PAID 'Master Viral Marketer'...
true lilly Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:48 am
Meanwhile, Murdoch 'TELLS' us more in 3 images
(2 of which have been featured for over 24 hours)
than all the twittering hoards of Viral Marketers...
Italian rider Marco Simoncelli, 24, has died of injuries sustained in a crash that
resulted in the cancellation of the Malaysian MotoGP. Picture: AFP Read More
THE Australian teenager arrested in Bali on drugs charges has appeared in a bizarre
Hannibal Lecter-style mask during a move to an immigration centre. The 14-year-old
boy wore the strange mask as he arrived at Immigration Detention House. Read More
Meat Loaf has slammed the AFL as "jerks" and labelled critics of his performance at
the Grand Final as "butt smellers". Speaking publicly for the first time about his Grand
Final debacle, Meat Loaf vowed to convince other artists not to perform on the biggest
day of the AFL calendar. Read More
...you know, 'those hoards' that filled CONsoiracy Sites
with Viral Marketing of 'their' New World DOGmas, while,
attacking real survivors, of the ilk ('they' of CONspiracy land
DEFEND, from the testimonies of real survivors, with yet more
abuse, threats and gang attacks), in the following, Murdoch,
Special Report...."Following eight months of requests
by the Herald Sun, the State Government agreed to release details
of some of thousands of cases of abuse confronted by child protection workers,
which have caused a crisis in the system."
Our child abuse shame
Grant McArthur
SPECIAL REPORT: ALMOST 1000 Victorian children were found to have been seriously neglected by their parents in just one year.
Case study: Victoria's disgrace: 8400 children at risk
Listening: Calls from the concerned so tough to take
...and just imagine if all those "Anonymous" Hackers/NET Heads,
had have helped, instead of attacking the survivors who got on line,
simply to warn of how 'they' work at PROTECTING Each Other and
"promoting and producing more 'products' and future clients", for
'their' lucrative International Trade in Very Young HUMAN BEINGS.
(2 of which have been featured for over 24 hours)
than all the twittering hoards of Viral Marketers...
Italian rider Marco Simoncelli, 24, has died of injuries sustained in a crash that
resulted in the cancellation of the Malaysian MotoGP. Picture: AFP Read More
THE Australian teenager arrested in Bali on drugs charges has appeared in a bizarre
Hannibal Lecter-style mask during a move to an immigration centre. The 14-year-old
boy wore the strange mask as he arrived at Immigration Detention House. Read More
Meat Loaf has slammed the AFL as "jerks" and labelled critics of his performance at
the Grand Final as "butt smellers". Speaking publicly for the first time about his Grand
Final debacle, Meat Loaf vowed to convince other artists not to perform on the biggest
day of the AFL calendar. Read More
...you know, 'those hoards' that filled CONsoiracy Sites
with Viral Marketing of 'their' New World DOGmas, while,
attacking real survivors, of the ilk ('they' of CONspiracy land
DEFEND, from the testimonies of real survivors, with yet more
abuse, threats and gang attacks), in the following, Murdoch,
Special Report...."Following eight months of requests
by the Herald Sun, the State Government agreed to release details
of some of thousands of cases of abuse confronted by child protection workers,
which have caused a crisis in the system."
Our child abuse shame
Grant McArthur
SPECIAL REPORT: ALMOST 1000 Victorian children were found to have been seriously neglected by their parents in just one year.
Case study: Victoria's disgrace: 8400 children at risk
Listening: Calls from the concerned so tough to take
...and just imagine if all those "Anonymous" Hackers/NET Heads,
had have helped, instead of attacking the survivors who got on line,
simply to warn of how 'they' work at PROTECTING Each Other and
"promoting and producing more 'products' and future clients", for
'their' lucrative International Trade in Very Young HUMAN BEINGS.
true lilly wrote:Told ya, 'They' ARE THE PROFESSIONAL SPAMMERS...
...and I'm the very independent little no body,
with onlymy faith in The Creator God, Who
answers faithful prayer, in His perfect ways and times.
And 'they' want me dead, for caring to freely share,
real world, real life examples of GOD'S PROMISES KEPT,
so other's to, may answer His Call to Perfectly Just,
Perfectly Beautiful, Life, Eternally Creating New Life,
as fully adopted members of Our Holy Father's Family.
Oh, and note WIKI's Logo:
The North is Broken and Void,
while 'they' 'remain silent' about
The South
MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIESbeetzart77 wrote:What
does all this mean? What are you striving to prove? I used to like
this forum but you have completely ruined it with total spam, with a
religious twang to it. Is there unlimited interenet use at the asylum
and shouldn't you be playing monopoly or something?
Foundation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the WikiMedia Foundation, see :Foundation:Home.
Foundation may refer to:...
...but NOT TO...
about foundation
Fact sheet
Company Details:
Foundation Works Pty Ltd
(previously Davinci-Selectwork)
ABN 66 110 479 617
Level 7, 120 Pacific Highway, St Leonards, NSW 2065
Credit Rating – AA
Established August 2004
26 Employee’s
Majority shareholder – Clemenger Group Limited Pty Ltd
Core Business:
Media Strategy, Planning, Buying, Research, Analytics and Creative Services
Media billings – $80M, Foundation is part of the Omnicom Media Group
who invest $1.2B with media owners to leverage competitive media rates
for clients.
Key Clients:
Mercedes-Benz, AUSTAR Entertainment, Guide Dogs Australia, CSR –
Monier, Fuel TV, Tony Ferguson Weightloss, Opera Australia, GJ Gardner
& KAO Australia, Living Social.
Contact:
Martin Patton – Managing Director
Martin.Patton@foundation-aus.com
Lvl 7, 120 Pacific Highway, St Leonards, NSW 2065, Australia
Phone: 61 2 8093 8050
Home
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Clients
Services
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Foundation media agency
Foundation is a media activation company.
...but ONLY "imagine" as,
and "FOUNDATION", are WELL PAID
to ENSLAVE OTHERS to PREVENT THAT!
Rann says deputy a victim of 'power play'
Foundation, 2 days ago
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Now, lets look at those
"FOUNDATION" Associations:
Clemenger Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Clemenger Group Limited[1]
is the holding company of a group of companies
involved in advertising
and marketing communications services
throughout Australia and New Zealand.
It is the largest communications group in Australia and New Zealand.
Clemenger Group Limited has about 1500 employees and
is headquartered in Melbourne, Australia[2].
53.33% of the shares are held by
Clemenger Communications staff
and 46.67% by BBDO Worldwide.
BBDO Worldwide is in turn
part of the Omnicom Group,
which the largest
communications group in the world.
(gee, I wonder where their 'staff'
have their Big Bickies INVESTED.
Maybe Old New AMSTERDAM/New York, New York)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnicom_GroupHeadquarters
New York, New York, USA
Time Line:
2006 buys 50% shareholding in
180 Amsterdam and 180 LA
Oh here,KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT
</li>
- 1 History
- 1.1 Timeline
- 1.2 Quick facts
2 Companies
2.1 Advertising and media 2.2 Business to business 2.3 Media planning and buying 2.4 Channel and field marketing 2.5 Public relations 2.6 Customer relationship management 2.7 Outsourcing services 2.8 Full-service marketing agencies 2.9 Specialty 2.10 Marketing technology 2.11 Market research </li>3 Competitors 4 Governance 5 Lobbying for the Russian government 6 References 7 External links ...and you still wonder why, with the Global CONspiracy Industry,
peddling the Global "Truther" Movement, into every big & little life,
all over the world, for decades, that things keep getting worse and
worse, and BANNING INDEPENDENT VOICES HAS BECOME THE NORMAnd please, don't get hysterical, imagining some sort of damnationtrue lilly wrote:What The HELL is "FOUNDATION"?
I really can't be bothered re-explaining what all this means,
but I'm sure readers who have followed the exchanges between me
and my attackers, like 'tintin' and 'David Icke's' 'australian' members,
will notice "FOUNDATION" has more in common with 'tintin/them'
than 'their' tired old tactic of DENYING ACCESS,
to INDEPENDENT THINKERS/RESEARCHERS who have NOT BEEN
BOUGHT OFF, TO PEDDLE MORE TRAITOROUS PROPAGANDA.
Outgoing SA Premier Mike Rann says others can judge
by:By Tim Dornin
From:AAP
October 20, 2011 2:21PM
OUTGOING South Australian Premier Mike Rann says it's up to others to judge him.
But the man often dubbed "media Mike" is not shy about listing his government's achievements since coming to office in 2002.
By any measure it's a reasonably impressive list.
In recent weeks the premier has signed-off on the banning of mining in the
environmentally-sensitive Arkaroola Sanctuary in the Flinders Ranges
and also the deal to have BHP Billiton spend $30 billion expanding the
Olympic Dam copper and uranium mine.
Over the past decade it has also increased spending on health and education,
opening new schools and employing more doctors and nurses.
It has also built a desalination plant, started construction on a new central hospital and
approved the major redevelopment of Adelaide Oval.
Related Coverage
Rann bids farewell as Premier Adelaide Now, 1 hour ago
SA poised for greatness, says Rann
Foundation, 1 hour ago
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Editorial: Farewell, Premier Rann Adelaide Now, 48 minutes ago
Rann says deputy a victim of 'power play'
Foundation, 2 days ago
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Mike Rann: The man who 'saved' Arkaroola Adelaide Now, 4 days ago
In defence, SA secured the contracts to build the Navy's next fleet of submarines
and also the air warfare destroyers.
The Government has also championed renewable energy, with SA now generating
more than half the nation's wind power and becoming a leader in solar power.
But there's been issues too.
Mr Rann has been forced to deny an affair with a former parliamentary waitress and
watched on as his deputy and long-serving treasurer Kevin Foley was twice assaulted.
A Labor MP was also charged
with child pornography offences
and was suspended from the ALP while there have also been
a simmering row with the union movement
over cuts to public sector jobs and conditions.
That row has characterised the sometimes wider criticism levelled at Mr Rann
and his government, that they don't always listen to the people or properly consult
before finalising projects or policies.
In a balancing act, the wins probably outweigh the losses, but as Mr Rann suggests,
the final say will be up to others.
"Overall I think that one day people will probably say all of these things were
about a state that's more confident about itself, more outward looking,"
he says.
"That we're a destination again rather than a beloved home town that people
had to leave to find opportunities elsewhere."
More personally, Mr Rann says being the SA Premier has been the
"greatest privilege of my life".
"I wanted to leave the state in better shape than I found it, and I wanted
to leave the party in better shape than when I took over," he says.
"I think on both of those there's big tick."
Mr Rann is expected to officially stand down as premier tomorrow.
about foundation
Fact sheet
Company Details:
Foundation Works Pty Ltd
(previously Davinci-Selectwork)
ABN 66 110 479 617
Level 7, 120 Pacific Highway, St Leonards, NSW 2065
Credit Rating – AA
Established August 2004
26 Employee’s
Majority shareholder – Clemenger Group Limited Pty Ltd
Core Business:
Media Strategy, Planning, Buying, Research, Analytics and Creative Services
Media billings – $80M, Foundation is part of the Omnicom Media Group
who invest $1.2B with media owners to leverage competitive media rates
for clients.
Key Clients:
Mercedes-Benz, AUSTAR Entertainment, Guide Dogs Australia, CSR –
Monier, Fuel TV, Tony Ferguson Weightloss, Opera Australia, GJ Gardner
& KAO Australia, Living Social.
Contact:
Martin Patton – Managing Director
Martin.Patton@foundation-aus.com
Lvl 7, 120 Pacific Highway, St Leonards, NSW 2065, Australia
Phone: 61 2 8093 8050
Home
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Services
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Foundation is a media activation company.
We believe in the power of an idea and bringing it to life.
Foundation's activation model delivers complete campaigns,
however our point of difference is that we are media led.
This model allows us to take ownership of the entire campaign delivery
and introduce specialist services as needed.
Our mantra is creating opportunity.
This forms the Foundation of our thinking.
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ABOUT FOUNDATION
Resources
Foundation is unique in that we operate as an independent business
but backed by the
Clemenger Group, Australia’s largest communications group.
Our ownership guarantees security and access to market leading resources normally reserved for large multinational agencies.
We can deliver an end-to-end campaign, strategy to channel planning to creation to implementation and through to measurement.
about foundation
Agency Culture
Everyone at Foundation has the opportunity to be a shareholder and to
have some ‘skin in the game’, which has its unique benefits.
It allows Foundation to be a true entrepreneurial business where
staff members are each empowered to create opportunities for our
clients, the business and themselves through proactive ideas and
innovative ways of operating.
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(Oh DO, click and SEE WHO 'THEY' Are!)
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We approach every client challenge with a tool box of resources
as every brief is different. The agency uses a process called
‘Evolution’ to navigate, develop and pressure test
every communications plan.
ROI is fundamental in delivery of effective campaigns.
Our strategies are guided by business and consumer insights.
Foundation has invested heavily
in consumer research and macro-analytics,
which influence and support our communications planning.
We believe better insight delivers better results.
Having media and creative working together means both disciples feed
of each other and are working on a common strategy. Activating the
opportunity is about bringing the idea to life across multiple channels
cohesively.
Our media planners and buyers are connected through the entire
process and help guide the outcome. They work closely with media owners
and focus on maximising value, whilst reducing the opportunity cost.
Then we learn and refine.
services
Planning & buying
Some like to separate the planning and buying functions by calling it
communications planning or channel planning and traders or investors.
We simply call it implementation planning.
The two functions are intrinsically linked, we believe in one cohesive approach
with media owners to access every available asset for the best possible price.
The key reason being that channel mix, media weight and opportunities
to create memorable campaigns are relevant to cost and the key to a
‘win’ negotiation is not to be divided.
Implementation planning represents 80% of delivering a campaign to
market, we place a high importance on it and it’s why we back ourselves
with performance related remuneration structures.
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of anyone working for such, well any, company. It's part of the beautiful,
gracious care God puts into His Timing of revelations, to every individual,
to the degrees and depths that best suit His Ultimate, Perfect, Just Purpose.
Hell, it would be, hell, if we all needed to become expert at industrial and
political spying, before taking on work. What matters To God, is that we
want to serve Him well, by serving our fellow man well. Simply doing,
whatever job we have at hand to do, with the integrity of a faithful servant.
We are no more to bear our masters sins, than our children are to bear ours.
And where some are called to 'great' works of ruler-ship, science, etc., others
are called to equally 'great' works of gardening, labouring etc., and all of us,
will be judged, not by the 'greatness' of what we achieve, nor our 'failures', but,
by the motivations of our hearts, in every 'big' and 'little' thing we do.
Bless God, bless His servants ('great' and 'small'), and be blessed.
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
sharky Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:43 pm
Numerous times I posted the following Data, you have all studiously avoided any commentary on it. Very telling, very cowardly............I ask you to grow beyond your normal evolutionary level of Ignorant, Superficial, Shallow, Dishonest and prejudiced and make an honest in depth commentary.............
The Torah/Instruction/Bible of the Jews....their beliefs and their plan for humankind, and the historical ramifications of the Plan............
Genesis-Bereshith: In the Beginning
26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”
27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.
28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”
29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.
30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good
Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God
1: Has Intelligence
2: Has Freewill
3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul
4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.
5: Has the faculty of Judgement
6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity
As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.
The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.
The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.
The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.
The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."
These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people."
Rabbi Greenberg
This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.
The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.
The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.
Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.
Summarized
We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.
* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.
* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.
* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.
* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.
* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)
* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.
* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.
* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians
* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.
* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos
1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.
2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.
* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.
The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.
* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos
3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH
Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.
In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'
* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.
Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.
* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.
* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.
* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.
* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.
Tikkun Olam
* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.
* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.
* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.
* To accept Limits.
* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.
* To join in working for Order against Chaos.
* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.
* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.
* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.
* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.
* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:
* Infinite Value
* Equality
* Uniqueness.
These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh
The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.
The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....
Yahshua's Kabbalah
http://rabdavis.org/yahshuas%20%20kabbalah.htm
Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)
Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.
In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.
Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.
Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.
In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.
In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.
On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9: and when the cloud passed they found Yahshua without Moshe and Elijah (Mark 9: standing alone as G-d's son. "Divine son" was the same designation Yahshua had heard during His immersion with John the Baptist: now his own disciples saw and heard the truth of Yahshua's own vision. We should note that the Transfiguration does not speak in the later exclusive language of the Christian Trinity that makes Yahshua into the only possible son of G-d. Here we perceive that the same spirit that had animated Elijah and Moshe was present in Yahshua and this spirit could make of whomever it wishes sons of G-d.
In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).
A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.
Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.
The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.
The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.
Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.
The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:
My Father,
Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!
The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.
Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?
His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.
In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.
All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.
Amein
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see suzi? you ignore Genesis 10, the Table of Nations and thus pervert and twist scripture to conform to your insanity..which is distorted and deformed..............capiche?
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.pdf
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The Torah/Instruction/Bible of the Jews....their beliefs and their plan for humankind, and the historical ramifications of the Plan............
Genesis-Bereshith: In the Beginning
26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”
27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.
28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”
29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.
30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good
Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God
1: Has Intelligence
2: Has Freewill
3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul
4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.
5: Has the faculty of Judgement
6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity
As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.
The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.
The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.
The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.
The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."
These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people."
Rabbi Greenberg
This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.
The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.
The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.
Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.
Summarized
We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.
* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.
* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.
* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.
* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.
* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)
* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.
* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.
* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians
* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.
* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos
1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.
2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.
* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.
The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.
* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos
3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH
Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.
In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'
* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.
Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.
* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.
* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.
* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.
* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.
Tikkun Olam
* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.
* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.
* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.
* To accept Limits.
* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.
* To join in working for Order against Chaos.
* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.
* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.
* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.
* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.
* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:
* Infinite Value
* Equality
* Uniqueness.
These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh
The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.
The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....
Yahshua's Kabbalah
http://rabdavis.org/yahshuas%20%20kabbalah.htm
Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)
Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.
In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.
Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.
Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.
In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.
In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.
On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9:
and when the cloud passed they found Yahshua without Moshe and Elijah (Mark 9: standing alone as G-d's son. "Divine son" was the same designation Yahshua had heard during His immersion with John the Baptist: now his own disciples saw and heard the truth of Yahshua's own vision. We should note that the Transfiguration does not speak in the later exclusive language of the Christian Trinity that makes Yahshua into the only possible son of G-d. Here we perceive that the same spirit that had animated Elijah and Moshe was present in Yahshua and this spirit could make of whomever it wishes sons of G-d. In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).
A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.
Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.
The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.
The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.
Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.
The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:
My Father,
Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!
The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.
Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?
His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.
In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.
All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.
Amein
[/quote]el kabong wrote:Here's an example right here in this Thread. What was it? invisible..............answer my Counter-argument you wench...................el kabong wrote:el kabong wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst
git yer groove on!
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROMtrue lilly wrote:
and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last
hey suzi/not so tru lilly, I see you've made a new fan/reader.
what you know about YHWHs Commandments you could fit in a thimble and have lots of room left over. Your new fan says it well.
Your dog don't hunt. never did. never will.
One effect of an Alphabetic based Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather then the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.
The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerent of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.
This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.
As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.
When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this dicombobulated Moses so much he dropped the two stone Tablets Yahweh had written the ten commandments.
Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Ihage and Written Word, both were destroyed.
As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set. Yahweh also taught Moses the Alephbet.
The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of Yahweh, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.
The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.
Loving your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.
The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codexes of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.
Each one of the four encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.
One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.
Social Engineering.
The 10 Commandments: The First four concern Recognition/Respect and Service/Worship of Yahweh.
The remaining six are love and respect of fellow humans.
The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated then other contemporary ANE Cultures.
The commandment to honour BOTH Father and Mother signifies the womens important role and in the Family Unit.
Loving Neighbours is in the General Torah/Instruction: Leviticus 19:18
The last six commandments are not unusual, the first four commandments are unique. Each of the first four encourage Alphabetic literacy by rejecting the right brains way of knowing.
The First Commandment:
20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.
In one fell swoop subserviates all other elohim/gods & goddesses.
Nothing personal, it was business.
The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existant, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subserviant to Him. Psalm 82
Psalm 82
82:1 Yahweh standeth in the congregation of El; he judgeth among the elohim.
82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.
82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
All of Yahwehs Titles are masculine.
The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.
Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses. Full Stop.
Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.
The Second Commandment:
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.
Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.
Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.
The Third Commandment:
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.
Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.
To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.
The Fourth Commandment:
20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.
This facilitates the learning of Aritmatic.
Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,
No other ANE culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.
The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.
Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.
Non-Literated peeps tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.
Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.
A Judgements day only occurs in Literate Cultures.
Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.
The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.
This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.
A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden and the Farmland every seven years isto lay fallow to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.
This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.
Time is a key function of the Left Brain.
Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.
Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.
This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.
Do you realise how you contradict yourself? The First Commandment is a pillar of the Torah/Instruction (which you insult and falsly declare was 'done away with') of YHWH Elohim, and it declares that the Hebrews were in Egypt/Mizraim, which you deny.
Torah means Instruction. YHWH Elohim has provided aLL humankind with His Instruction, who are you to say otherwise?
A lying, false prophet.
You are really a mental case like Billy Rueben has documented.
el kabong wrote:fuk suzis aka tru lillys complaints about Kity Kat Posts.
Suzi, aka tru lilly, listen to this hooman
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see suzi? you ignore Genesis 10, the Table of Nations and thus pervert and twist scripture to conform to your insanity..which is distorted and deformed..............capiche?
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.pdf
..............The Table of Nations in
Genesis 10--Its Content
Allen P. RossThe previous article in this series dealt with the structure of
the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.1 The deliberate design in its
construction, symmetry, and unity were examined in an effort to
understand its purpose as a tOdl;OT. But in addition to the evi-
deuce from its structure, there is a wealth of information about
the nations of the world that is important for the complete under-
standing of this chapter within the message of Genesis.
The Analysis of the Passage
The heading of the chapter (Gen. 10:1) declares that this is
the record of the particulars of what became of Shem, Ham, and
Japheth after the Flood. The verse serves not only as a heading for
the Table, but also as a literary connection back to Genesis 9:18
and 28. It is to be read with the oracle of Noah in mind!....................The sons of Japheth are seven. Gomer, mentioned also in
Ezekiel 38:6, represents the Cimmerians, thought to be of the
same stock as the Scythians.5 Magog is also mentioned in Ezekiel
(38:2 and 39:6) as the land of Gog, the region between Armenia
and Cappadocia; the name seems to represent the Scythian
hordes southeast of the Black Sea.6
THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)
More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of
Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,
Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-
Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine
respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both
places and tribes.
Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to
Africa. The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is
used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.
Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In
antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern
flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it
served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the
Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the
African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.
Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost
ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt.
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true lilly Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:22 am
“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist
just like a snake,
and if you want to find snakes
look for them behind words
that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.”
―Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist
just like a snake,
and if you want to find snakes
look for them behind words
that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.”
―Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies
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Tintin is a nice man.
Billy Ruben Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:30 am
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist
just like a snake,
and if you want to find snakes
look for them behind words that have
changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.”
―
Terry Pratchett,
Lords and Ladies
Elves are not bad....elves help Santa bring presents to all the good boys and girls.
People like you and Terry Pratchett are evil and enjoy hurting peoples hopes and beliefs.Bet it was a bitch like you that said to all the school children that Santa does'nt exist...
WELL HE DOES,ner,ner,ner,ner...
and since you never believed,look at the presents you get,bashings and bombings...you know why...cause you SUCK!!!
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he flies around the world, BUYING PROPAGANDA PUSHERS
true lilly Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:25 pm
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
Well?
David Icke OFFICIAL FORUMS is chock full of 'australian's'
(according to the multiple I.D. 'names' that post there),
and even 'Billy Ruben' was REJOICING about his imminent
arrival, and then of course there is 'TISWAS' that's always
DEMANDING David Icke Be WORSHIPED, YET Google has
NOTHING to offer in the way of a review of this latest
PROPAGANDA Tour HIT On MELBOURNE...WHILE THE QUEEN
(that David Icke ATTACKS), was here...AND, ALL QANTAS
Planes were GROUNDED when SHE flew out, and David Icke
should have still been in Melbourne.
'Should Have'...but who knows, all information that was available
is no longer, and there are "date CHANGES"...it used to show
the weekend the Queen was here, but now showing (only at
an events site) that he was here 3 weeks earlier???
Well I found this, and despite all the ICKE DEFENDERS
(see comments),
http://www.vexnews.com/2011/10/darkness-within-neo-nazi-conspiracy-theorists-at-the-heart-of-occupy-melbourne-protest/comment-page-2/#comment-59338
still NO REVIEW!!!???
DARKNESS WITHIN:
Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists
at the heart of Occupy Melbourne protest
By VEXNEWS ⋅ October 22, 2011
VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos,
a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne
is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic
neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.
Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.
Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters
had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic
offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.
MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their
Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring
some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of
the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home
and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean
up.
If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and
abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point
that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we
shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier
than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.
Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens
political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.
A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in
funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about
his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.
POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous
about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of
taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he
was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at
community events and has alienated many community groups in
inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag,
declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.
Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:
“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of
households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of
Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting
record profits.”
But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1%
in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense.
He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then
got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as
an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge
ComCar.
He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.
And who could blame him?
KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that
perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them
but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the
words they preach.
That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He
wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing
experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and
indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted
and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”.
In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly
“diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.
But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently
required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so
sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”
If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy
revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be
more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being
frauds of the most outrageous kind.
WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly
unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most
of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more
with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go
out on the job.
Yep, it’s the Police.
They are working people.
But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:
“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”
They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately
and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary
because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves
through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”
It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.
It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were
the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites
and neo-Nazis.
A key Occupy Melbourne organiser was Tina Athanasopoulos. She set up its Facebook page, gave interviews on 3CR representing them and so on.
And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?
She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by
her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his
group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she
would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.
David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading
conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to
Wikipedia:
At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is
becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian
humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that
many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen
Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie
Ominously:
According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far
right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside
opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates
background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including
Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux
Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias,
and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage
Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member
of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view
of the radical right virtually intact.
and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:
In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that
the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903,
which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the
world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic
material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling
villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his
documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)
These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have –
hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those
who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.
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Well?
David Icke OFFICIAL FORUMS is chock full of 'australian's'
(according to the multiple I.D. 'names' that post there),
and even 'Billy Ruben' was REJOICING about his imminent
arrival, and then of course there is 'TISWAS' that's always
DEMANDING David Icke Be WORSHIPED, YET Google has
NOTHING to offer in the way of a review of this latest
PROPAGANDA Tour HIT On MELBOURNE...WHILE THE QUEEN
(that David Icke ATTACKS), was here...AND, ALL QANTAS
Planes were GROUNDED when SHE flew out, and David Icke
should have still been in Melbourne.
'Should Have'...but who knows, all information that was available
is no longer, and there are "date CHANGES"...it used to show
the weekend the Queen was here, but now showing (only at
an events site) that he was here 3 weeks earlier???
Well I found this, and despite all the ICKE DEFENDERS
(see comments),
http://www.vexnews.com/2011/10/darkness-within-neo-nazi-conspiracy-theorists-at-the-heart-of-occupy-melbourne-protest/comment-page-2/#comment-59338
still NO REVIEW!!!???
DARKNESS WITHIN:
Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists
at the heart of Occupy Melbourne protest
By VEXNEWS ⋅ October 22, 2011
VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos,
a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne
is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic
neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.
Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.
Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters
had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic
offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.
MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their
Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring
some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of
the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home
and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean
up.
If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and
abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point
that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we
shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier
than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.
Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens
political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.
A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in
funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about
his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.
POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous
about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of
taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he
was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at
community events and has alienated many community groups in
inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag,
declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.
Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:
“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of
households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of
Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting
record profits.”
But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1%
in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense.
He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then
got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as
an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge
ComCar.
He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.
And who could blame him?
KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that
perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them
but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the
words they preach.
That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He
wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing
experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and
indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted
and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”.
In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly
“diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.
But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently
required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so
sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”
If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy
revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be
more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being
frauds of the most outrageous kind.
WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly
unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most
of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more
with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go
out on the job.
Yep, it’s the Police.
They are working people.
But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:
“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”
They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately
and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary
because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves
through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”
It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.
It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were
the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites
and neo-Nazis.
A key Occupy Melbourne organiser was Tina Athanasopoulos. She set up its Facebook page, gave interviews on 3CR representing them and so on.
And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?
She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by
her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his
group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she
would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.
David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading
conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to
Wikipedia:
At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is
becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian
humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that
many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen
Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie
Ominously:
According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far
right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside
opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates
background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including
Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux
Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias,
and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage
Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member
of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view
of the radical right virtually intact.
and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:
In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that
the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903,
which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the
world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic
material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling
villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his
documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)
These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have –
hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those
who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:50 am
Remember I told you of how
"TINTIN" SPAT VENOM AT EVERY MEMORIAL
TO OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS, while he was here...
...well, here's yet another REAL WORLD,
REAL TIME, REAL PEOPLE, LINK TO TINTIN'S,
NO LONGER SECRET AGENDA, that I've paid
so heavily for REFUSING TO BUY...BASTARD!!!
WANTED ME TO DISHONOUR ALL WHO GAVE
THEIR LIVES FOR OUR LIVES!!!
Don't know how many times I had to remind him
that there is a BIG difference between war mongers,
and HONOURABLE HEARTED SOLDIERS who FOUGHT
FOR KIN, COUNTRY, and OUR CHOICE OF RULER!
No arrest for poppy attacks in shake-up
Protest ... poppies on fire
Poundland U-turn after poppy ban
BUDGET retailer decides staff CAN wear poppies to work after an online outcry
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BURNING poppies or abusing soldiers may no longer be illegal under plans
unveiled yesterday.
Ministers are considering making it legal to use insulting words or actions to
avoid "criminalising free speech".
Yobs can currently be nicked for being "threatening, abusive or insulting".
Tougher rules ... Theresa May
Emdadur Choudhury, 26, was charged last year after burning poppies and five
Muslims were convicted for shouting insults at a homecoming parade.
Ministers have also unveiled plans to let cops make thugs remove "face
coverings" or masks.
But minister James Brokenshire said: "We must make sure any powers do not
trample upon traditional British freedoms."
Meanwhile, tighter laws brought in by Theresa May saw the number of
anti-terror stop and searches fall from 102,504 to 9,652 last year.
__________________________________________
Yet...YET, HE and "THEY" PROUDLY CALL FOR
REVOLUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD TODAY,
TO HAND RULE TO "THEM"!!!
AND LOOK WHAT THAT COST THOSE,
MOST VULNERABLE, WHO BOUGHT HIS/"THEIR"
CURRENT WAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA!!!
Revolution Hijacked
Broadcast: 01/11/2011
Reporter: Ben Knight
Play video (Flash broadband)
With over 50 new political
parties, the upcoming round of elections draw many candidates to Tahrir
Square each week hoping to influence the voters.
“I do have one regret, that on the 11th of February, we accepted to leave the square. Maybe we should have stayed.” - Salma el Tarzi, documentary maker and protester.
"Salma in the Square",
broadcast in February, was one of Foreign Correspondent’s most
memorable stories this year. As protesters occupied Tahrir Square in
central Cairo, refusing to leave in the face of violence, threats and
intimidation from the regime of Hosni Mubarak, we were there, following
the drama through the eyes of a charismatic young rebel, Salma el Tarzi.
Like
so many others, our crew was beaten by pro-government thugs and
detained by military police. Protesters were shot, beaten and injured.
For
eighteen long days and nights no-one knew whether the revolution would
succeed. Eventually President Mubarak stepped down. The Egyptian Army
stayed neutral; the people had triumphed, or so they thought.
Now we're back in Egypt to see what the revolution has delivered.
Despite
military promises to supervise a quick transition to democracy, that
hasn’t happened. Instead we’ve seen state-sponsored thuggery, the
reimposition of censorship, and thousands of military trials where
people convicted have no right of appeal.
Our crew was on hand on
two occasions when Coptic Christians and Muslim allies clashed with
military and police near the government television station.
In
the second clash at least 27 people were killed and three injured.
Foreign Correspondent was one of the few media teams able to enter the
Coptic Hospital morgue where the dead, many of them squashed by armoured
personnel carriers, had been brought.
“You know the army council is trying to kill the revolution.” - Bothaina Kamel, former newsreader and now presidential candidate
Amid
the bloodshed and trouble there are signs of hope as well. Visit Tahrir
Square and you’ll find a democratic nursery, full of passionate
speakers and throbbing sound systems selling the merits of just some of
Egypt’s fifty new political parties.
Bothaina Kamel and Salma el
Tarzi are just two of many women who now have a voice and a more
prominent role in the new Egypt. Kamel has begun campaigning for a
presidential election which may be as far off as 2013.
And we
meet Ghalia Mahmoud, formerly a humble housewife, now Egypt’s latest
television sensation, with her own cooking show featuring local cuisine.
“The old regime did not want to show on TV that 90 per cent
of the population eat this kind of food. They always had these high
class programs, trying to show the rest of the world that Egyptians are
always eating turkey, lamb, and lobster. They didn’t want to show the
real Egypt.” - Ghalia Mahmoud, television chef
__________________________________
Further information
The Australian Coptic Movement is planning a
Vigil for Peace
in Sydney on Friday November 4
__________________________________
Transcript
KNIGHT:
Being here in this square back in February on the night that Hosni
Mubarak quit was something that I will simply just never forget. Just to
be around so many people who were exploding with joy and relief and
probably most of all, hope. Well coming back you can still find the hope
but I’m also seeing a lot of anger and confusion.
On the right
day, in the right light, Cairo looks serene. The Nile is a timeless
constant. So too it seems is the struggle for power. The revolution is
far from over.
The rebellion gathered and grew nine months ago at a
busy roundabout in the centre of Cairo. As the world knows well enough
now, it’s a place called Tahrir Square. For 18 days and nights,
Egyptians occupied the centre of the city.
Early on Foreign
Correspondent met one of the revolution’s most impressive young leaders,
Salma el Tarzi and followed her as the mood swung from day to day,
hopes rising and falling that President Hosni Mubarak would give up
power.
SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “It’s
overwhelming because there are so many emotions. It’s so beautiful and
so ugly at the same time but there’s this feeling of pride. Everyone in
this square is walking with their backs straight for the first time in
their lives. We are not animals. We have the right to be people and hold
our heads high”.
KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor was also in Tahrir
Square in February on the day the Mubarak regime paid thugs to attack
pro-democracy demonstrators.
NOOR AYMAN NOOR: [During February
protest] “They’re trying to get Egyptians to kill each other. They sent
their supporters with horses and camels so that they can be violent with
us, so that we will kill each other”.
KNIGHT: On the 11th of February, Hosni Mubarak finally stepped down.
SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “I think we’re going to celebrate for another couple of days”.
KNIGHT:
The Egyptian army took over promising it would manage a transition to
democracy. The revolutionaries had won… or so they thought. Now Salma el
Tarzi fears that the army has no intention of going back to the
barracks.
SALMA EL TARZI: “It’s unfortunate that it has to be
this ugly and that the army is forcing the situation that there should
be so much bloodshed but if this is what it takes, then this is what it
takes”.
KNIGHT: Every day, the Egyptian army is looking more and
more like the regime it replaced. This video posted on YouTube has
provoked disgust. It’s hard to watch. It shows soldiers and police
bashing and giving electric shocks to two men they accuse of selling
weapons. This is the sort of brutality for which the Egyptian police
were despised, methods which the army was thought not to practice.
NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “What breaks my heart is the fact that we all knew it would
be a difficult road after Mubarak left. I just never thought that we’d
be oppressed in the exact same way by very similar people, using the
exact same mechanisms”.
KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor is the son of a
prominent Egyptian politician and bears the scars of being a
revolutionary. Aged just twenty-one, all his energies go into resisting
the military’s repression.
NOOR AYMAN NOOR: “People getting
beaten up, people getting killed, people getting arrested, people being
placed on military trials. As well as again using the media to scare
people, to give them the impression that okay the revolution is over,
now it’s time to start building again”.
SALMA EL TARZI: “They’re
just not going to give it to us like this. I mean, let’s be realistic.
These people were running the country for the past 60 years and it would
be very naive to expect that we tell them, okay we want a civil state,
we don’t want you to have anything to do and then they just going to
tell us, okay fine. Take it. I mean it wouldn’t make sense”.
KNIGHT:
Each year Egypt marks the anniversary of the 1973 war with Israel as
Armed Forces Day. The army has traditionally had the trust of the
Egyptian people and that trust was strengthened back in February when
soldiers came onto the street promising not to fire on protesters.
It
was the turning point of the revolution and it paved the way for the
Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, known as SCAF to take over –
promising elections within six months.
The SCAF leader is Field
Marshall Mohammed Tantawi who was Mubarak’s Defence Minister for 20
years and now fills the TV screens once dominated by the President. He
claims progress towards democracy is being made, but many Egyptians have
stopped listening.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: “You know the Army Council,
the SCAF, trying to kill the revolution. We went to the streets on the
25th of January against police and the torture and now we have police
and army police. We have military trials. We have over than 12 thousand
Egyptians accused”.
KNIGHT: Bothaina Kamel was a newsreader on
Egyptian state television until she quit five years ago, saying she
could no longer spruik the government’s propaganda. The revolution has
given her a direction – she’s now running for president.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “How to trust army? The mentality of the army is to give orders
and to obey orders. I believe that the army don’t want to give the power
to a civil president. That’s what I believe”.
KNIGHT: When the
military council SCAF announced last month it was bringing back
censorship laws, journalists were furious. In recent months reporters
have been harassed and arrested. Newspapers have been closed and at
Egyptian State Television, very little has changed as Bothaina Kamel
discovered when she appeared on a talk show.
BOTHAINA KAMEL:
[Egyptian talk show] “My program is the revolution’s demands – bread,
freedom and dignity. My slogan is ‘Egypt is my agenda’.”
KNIGHT: State TV management weren’t impressed. The presenter was told to kill the interview.
SHOW
PRESENTER: “Actually, I’m being forced to end the program now. The
producer in the control room has had calls from Dr Sami el-Sherif, head
of the Egyptian television union, ordering us to end this programme now.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: “This is worse than Mubarak’s media”.
KNIGHT: Two days later the army called.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “They charged me with insulting a member of the army council and
insulting the army but I said, ‘I respect very much the Egyptian Army
but me and all the Egyptians have the right to criticise the army
council and his politics’. They can’t accept criticising them, but why
we need a revolution?”
KNIGHT: In the working class area of Shoubra, many people are asking the same question.
“So you’re saying the mosques have got louder in recent times?”
DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “Yes. And even after the revolution of course they started under Sadat. We never had that before”.
KNIGHT: Dr Nawal Sadaawi is one of Egypt’s most famous authors and activists and another veteran of Tahrir Square.
DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We have a backlash. We have a backlash against the
revolution, against women, against secularism, against equality, against
democracy”.
KNIGHT: This is the problem. Everyone in Egypt has their own idea about what their revolution was about.
“Do you trust the army to steer Egypt towards democracy?”
DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “No. Two things I don’t trust. Military rule and religious rule. We must have a secular civil government”.
KNIGHT: “And what if you don’t get it?”
DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We fight for it. Nobody dreamt, I am a very, I am a
woman of struggle, of confrontation you know? I am a fighter, not only a
writer, so I struggle for everything – in my private life and in my
public life – so we never dreamt that Mubarak would leave”.
KNIGHT: The revolution was not just a reaction to the excesses of the regime, it was also driven by the fundamentals of life.
Ghalia Mahmoud is in many ways fairly typical of Egypt’s massive working class.
“So the poverty, was that why you supported the revolution or was there another reason?”
GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Of course. The revolution grew out of poverty and hunger –
that’s the main reason behind it. Some people had too much, while others
were hungry. That was the reason for the revolution – social justice”.
KNIGHT: “So Ghalia what’s your weekly food budget for your family?”
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “No more than 100 Egyptian pounds for the whole week”.
KNIGHT: “So for about 15 American dollars a week you’re feeding a family of ten, so what do they eat for that much money?”
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “Once a week I’ll feed them chicken or meat. The rest of the week is all vegetables with rice”.
KNIGHT:
While Ghalia still skimps on the household budget, the revolution has
given her a chance to show other Egyptians what they can do.
GHALIA MAHMOUD: [on her TV show] “Welcome my friends – and today is a new and delightful day”.
KNIGHT: It’s changed her life in ways she could never have expected. Ghalia Mahmoud is Egypt’s newest celebrity chef.
GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Today we’re going to cook breaded marrows in olive oil with
marrows and tomatoes. It’s a beautiful dish – you will enjoy it”.
KNIGHT:
There’s never been a show like this on Egyptian television and not just
because Hosni Mubarak’s wife Suzanne banned women in headscarves from
appearing on screen.
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “The old regime did not
want to show on TV that 90 per cent of the population cook this kind of
food. They always had these high-class programs trying to show the rest
of the world that Egyptians are always eating turkey, lamb and lobster.
They didn’t want to show the real Egypt”.
KNIGHT: Ghalia Mahmoud
was discovered while she was working as a cook for the sister of TV
producer Mohamed Gohar. He knew she’d be perfect for his new station,
called “25” after the January 25th revolution. Channel 25 broadcasts
from a studio in the shadow of the massive state television building. As
we left it that night, we walked straight into demonstrators who were
targeting that TV centre, known as the Maspiro.
Coptic
Christians were demanding that the army keep its promise to protect all
Egyptians. Since the revolution, they’ve come under increasing attack
from Muslim extremists.
MOHAMED ATEF: “The Egyptian revolution
meant for all Egyptians, freedom. But unfortunately the freedom didn’t
reach us until now. Until now we didn’t get it. I am Muslim but I am
talking in the same tongue as my Coptic brothers. The Egyptian
revolution didn’t protect them, didn’t protect their freedom to
religion”.
KNIGHT: Four nights later we’re back near the
government television centre again watching a much bigger rally by
Christians and some of their Muslim allies. Initially they’re attacked
by thugs. Then, there are running street battles with riot police and
soldiers. State TV inflames the situation telling its viewers the army
is coming under attack from Christians and that people should come onto
the streets to help the soldiers.
Armoured vehicles career into
crowds, crushing protestors to death. We heard gunshots, riot police
fired tear gas and charge with batons raised. We’re chased across a
bridge spanning the Nile. State TV reports that three soldiers have been
killed but it says nothing about any other casualties.
At Cairo’s Coptic Hospital we find them. Chaos reigns in the morgue. People are keen to show us the victims.
There’s
only room for three bodies in the refrigerated section. The bodies of
14 others are laid on the floor. Their faces uncovered for their
families to identify them.
“This is not the first time that I’ve
been in a morgue but it would have to be the most distressing. Normally
you’re looking at the bodies that are casualties of war. These are
casualties of something else. I can’t describe the injuries. When a face
is caved in, it doesn’t come from a bullet, it comes from something…
who knows what.
What is also distressing is the way that the
grief here is now turning to anger and outside these walls is the
Egyptian Army. Now this is now where the protest and the riot took
place. It was four or five kilometres away from here, but the Army has
now come here. There are running battles outside in the street. We can’t
leave. No one in here can leave. Why are they there?”
PAULUS ZAKI: “We are Christian. We come for the peace. We only came to Maspiro and we told them we’d finish about 8 o’clock”.
KNIGHT: “They said that you set fire to the police vehicles, that police officers were killed”.
PAULUS
ZAKI: “Yes police officers and the army, the Egyptian Army. I cannot
believe the Egyptian Army has killed Egyptian people. Whatever
nationality we are, we are Egyptian. We cannot believe that. How can you
do this to people, why?”
KNIGHT: At least 27 people were killed and 300 wounded in the worst episode of violence since the revolution.
SCAF called a media conference to defend itself against accusations of murder.
ARMY PERSONNEL: “The Armed Forces would never direct its fire at the people”.
KNIGHT:
“The army claims soldiers didn’t use live ammunition and didn’t
deliberately run over anyone. It blames the deaths on unnamed
infiltrators trying to destroy the revolution”.
SALMA EL TARZI:
“And they always use big words like, ‘foreign conspiracy’, ‘mysterious
powers’, ‘powers of darkness’ and this is not a joke. One of the
statements said ‘the mysterious powers of darkness’. It was like Darth
Vader is invading Cairo. They never tell you who this is but they always
keep it vague and they always make you feel that there is this huge
conspiracy against Egypt and it’s everyone’s duty to really protect it
and the only way to protect it is to kill the people that are
demonstrating in the street”.
KNIGHT: On the night of the Coptic
protest, Channel 25 shows pictures of the melee outside its windows.
Suddenly, armed soldiers burst into its studio. The pregnant news
presenter is terrified. A Christian staffer is beaten up.
Channel 25
protests against the army raid and shuts down. Ghalia Mahmoud’s new
career looks short lived. But in the past week, both Channel 25 and
Ghalia are back on the air.
Many other Egyptians are also finding
that the revolution isn’t delivering change. The economy is paralysed.
Half the population lives on less than two dollars a day. Even in the
fertile Nile Valley, farmers can only afford to lease tiny plots of
land. They’re desperately poor. In the village of Kafr Hemayed there’s
no sanitation and very little running water and electricity. It has only
a junior school and as many as eighty-five students are crammed into
each classroom.
“This village is believed to be the poorest in
the governorate of Giza, although figures are almost impossible to come
by. But it’s exactly the sort of place that was ignored and taken for
granted by the ruling party. No politician of any consequence ever came
here and certainly no one ever felt the need to campaign here, but
tonight that’s going to change”.
Bothaina Kamel wants to be president to improve villagers’ lives yet she’s asking some difficult questions of potential voters.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “Do you believe in equality, meaning that the rich and the poor
are equal and that we’re all equal? We must believe that this is the
principle we must fight for – that no Muslim is better than a Christian.
And when we educate, we educate the boy and the girl”.
KNIGHT:
She crashes a wedding party, but no one seems to mind. Her TV profile
probably helps. Most people just seem stunned that someone like her is
actually paying attention to them. At the mayor’s house, village leaders
are pouring out their problems. Bothaina Kamel asks them to swear a
pledge.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: [village leaders repeat after her] “I
swear by the Almighty God I will not go back to my old ways, being a
passive citizen. And that I will not let anyone steal my rights and my
homeland’s rights and my children’s rights”.
KNIGHT: One positive
effect of the February revolution has been the emergence of grass roots
political debate in Egypt. There are now more than 50 new political
parties - and in Tahrir Square come most Friday’s, each sets up its own
stage and PA system, each trying to drown out the others with ear
splitting speeches. The first round of parliamentary elections is due at
the end of the month, but even now after nine months in charge, SCAF
issues contradictory instructions about how those elections will be
conducted. The pro democracy campaigners have no confidence in them.
NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “We’re going to see lots of bloodshed during these
elections so that the army can come back and say, look we said it before
the Egyptian people aren’t ready now for democracy, there’s going to be
a mini-military takeover, we’re going to take things over until things
are stable again and then we’ll open things up for democracy later”.
KNIGHT:
18 days of defying the Mubarak regime dramatically changed Salma el
Tarzi’s life and while maintaining the rage still dominates her life,
she is getting back to work making documentaries. It’s not easy finding
the balance.
SALMA EL TARZI: “I do not expect the revolution to
be over soon. We are cleaning up the mess of the past, not only 30
years, I believe the past 60 years and it’s not going to happen in nine
months”.
COPTIC GROUP CHANTING: [at funeral] “With our spirit,
with our blood we sacrifice for the Cross. With our spirit, with our
blood we sacrifice for the Cross”.
KNIGHT: When the Coptic
community buried their dead, they called them martyrs. It’s an overused
word in the Middle East, but it’s still highly loaded. As each coffin
arrives, waves of emotion rip through the cathedral. For some the
anguish is too much to bear. Respect for human rights was a key demand
for pro democracy campaigners. While the army initially seemed to
understand this, the slaughter of Egyptian Christians has triggered the
biggest crisis in the country since the revolution.
The military
council intends to hold onto power until the Constitution is rewritten
and a presidential election is held. That could be as late as 2013 – far
too long for an impatient, angry people.
"TINTIN" SPAT VENOM AT EVERY MEMORIAL
TO OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS, while he was here...
...well, here's yet another REAL WORLD,
REAL TIME, REAL PEOPLE, LINK TO TINTIN'S,
NO LONGER SECRET AGENDA, that I've paid
so heavily for REFUSING TO BUY...BASTARD!!!
WANTED ME TO DISHONOUR ALL WHO GAVE
THEIR LIVES FOR OUR LIVES!!!
Don't know how many times I had to remind him
that there is a BIG difference between war mongers,
and HONOURABLE HEARTED SOLDIERS who FOUGHT
FOR KIN, COUNTRY, and OUR CHOICE OF RULER!
No arrest for poppy attacks in shake-up
Protest ... poppies on firePoundland U-turn after poppy ban
BUDGET retailer decides staff CAN wear poppies to work after an online outcry
- Barclays in U-turn on staff poppies
- The last of the summer winos...
- Red tape bans Legion sellers
- The Sun Says
Published: 14 Oct 2011
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BURNING poppies or abusing soldiers may no longer be illegal under plans
unveiled yesterday.
Ministers are considering making it legal to use insulting words or actions to
avoid "criminalising free speech".
Yobs can currently be nicked for being "threatening, abusive or insulting".
Tougher rules ... Theresa May
Emdadur Choudhury, 26, was charged last year after burning poppies and five
Muslims were convicted for shouting insults at a homecoming parade.
Ministers have also unveiled plans to let cops make thugs remove "face
coverings" or masks.
But minister James Brokenshire said: "We must make sure any powers do not
trample upon traditional British freedoms."
Meanwhile, tighter laws brought in by Theresa May saw the number of
anti-terror stop and searches fall from 102,504 to 9,652 last year.
__________________________________________
Yet...YET, HE and "THEY" PROUDLY CALL FOR
REVOLUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD TODAY,
TO HAND RULE TO "THEM"!!!
AND LOOK WHAT THAT COST THOSE,
MOST VULNERABLE, WHO BOUGHT HIS/"THEIR"
CURRENT WAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA!!!
Revolution Hijacked
Broadcast: 01/11/2011
Reporter: Ben Knight
Play video (Flash broadband)With over 50 new political
parties, the upcoming round of elections draw many candidates to Tahrir
Square each week hoping to influence the voters.
“I do have one regret, that on the 11th of February, we accepted to leave the square. Maybe we should have stayed.” - Salma el Tarzi, documentary maker and protester.
"Salma in the Square",
broadcast in February, was one of Foreign Correspondent’s most
memorable stories this year. As protesters occupied Tahrir Square in
central Cairo, refusing to leave in the face of violence, threats and
intimidation from the regime of Hosni Mubarak, we were there, following
the drama through the eyes of a charismatic young rebel, Salma el Tarzi.
Like
so many others, our crew was beaten by pro-government thugs and
detained by military police. Protesters were shot, beaten and injured.
For
eighteen long days and nights no-one knew whether the revolution would
succeed. Eventually President Mubarak stepped down. The Egyptian Army
stayed neutral; the people had triumphed, or so they thought.
Now we're back in Egypt to see what the revolution has delivered.
Despite
military promises to supervise a quick transition to democracy, that
hasn’t happened. Instead we’ve seen state-sponsored thuggery, the
reimposition of censorship, and thousands of military trials where
people convicted have no right of appeal.
Our crew was on hand on
two occasions when Coptic Christians and Muslim allies clashed with
military and police near the government television station.
In
the second clash at least 27 people were killed and three injured.
Foreign Correspondent was one of the few media teams able to enter the
Coptic Hospital morgue where the dead, many of them squashed by armoured
personnel carriers, had been brought.
“You know the army council is trying to kill the revolution.” - Bothaina Kamel, former newsreader and now presidential candidate
Amid
the bloodshed and trouble there are signs of hope as well. Visit Tahrir
Square and you’ll find a democratic nursery, full of passionate
speakers and throbbing sound systems selling the merits of just some of
Egypt’s fifty new political parties.
Bothaina Kamel and Salma el
Tarzi are just two of many women who now have a voice and a more
prominent role in the new Egypt. Kamel has begun campaigning for a
presidential election which may be as far off as 2013.
And we
meet Ghalia Mahmoud, formerly a humble housewife, now Egypt’s latest
television sensation, with her own cooking show featuring local cuisine.
“The old regime did not want to show on TV that 90 per cent
of the population eat this kind of food. They always had these high
class programs, trying to show the rest of the world that Egyptians are
always eating turkey, lamb, and lobster. They didn’t want to show the
real Egypt.” - Ghalia Mahmoud, television chef
__________________________________
Further information
The Australian Coptic Movement is planning a
Vigil for Peace
in Sydney on Friday November 4
__________________________________
Transcript
KNIGHT:
Being here in this square back in February on the night that Hosni
Mubarak quit was something that I will simply just never forget. Just to
be around so many people who were exploding with joy and relief and
probably most of all, hope. Well coming back you can still find the hope
but I’m also seeing a lot of anger and confusion.
On the right
day, in the right light, Cairo looks serene. The Nile is a timeless
constant. So too it seems is the struggle for power. The revolution is
far from over.
The rebellion gathered and grew nine months ago at a
busy roundabout in the centre of Cairo. As the world knows well enough
now, it’s a place called Tahrir Square. For 18 days and nights,
Egyptians occupied the centre of the city.
Early on Foreign
Correspondent met one of the revolution’s most impressive young leaders,
Salma el Tarzi and followed her as the mood swung from day to day,
hopes rising and falling that President Hosni Mubarak would give up
power.
SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “It’s
overwhelming because there are so many emotions. It’s so beautiful and
so ugly at the same time but there’s this feeling of pride. Everyone in
this square is walking with their backs straight for the first time in
their lives. We are not animals. We have the right to be people and hold
our heads high”.
KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor was also in Tahrir
Square in February on the day the Mubarak regime paid thugs to attack
pro-democracy demonstrators.
NOOR AYMAN NOOR: [During February
protest] “They’re trying to get Egyptians to kill each other. They sent
their supporters with horses and camels so that they can be violent with
us, so that we will kill each other”.
KNIGHT: On the 11th of February, Hosni Mubarak finally stepped down.
SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “I think we’re going to celebrate for another couple of days”.
KNIGHT:
The Egyptian army took over promising it would manage a transition to
democracy. The revolutionaries had won… or so they thought. Now Salma el
Tarzi fears that the army has no intention of going back to the
barracks.
SALMA EL TARZI: “It’s unfortunate that it has to be
this ugly and that the army is forcing the situation that there should
be so much bloodshed but if this is what it takes, then this is what it
takes”.
KNIGHT: Every day, the Egyptian army is looking more and
more like the regime it replaced. This video posted on YouTube has
provoked disgust. It’s hard to watch. It shows soldiers and police
bashing and giving electric shocks to two men they accuse of selling
weapons. This is the sort of brutality for which the Egyptian police
were despised, methods which the army was thought not to practice.
NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “What breaks my heart is the fact that we all knew it would
be a difficult road after Mubarak left. I just never thought that we’d
be oppressed in the exact same way by very similar people, using the
exact same mechanisms”.
KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor is the son of a
prominent Egyptian politician and bears the scars of being a
revolutionary. Aged just twenty-one, all his energies go into resisting
the military’s repression.
NOOR AYMAN NOOR: “People getting
beaten up, people getting killed, people getting arrested, people being
placed on military trials. As well as again using the media to scare
people, to give them the impression that okay the revolution is over,
now it’s time to start building again”.
SALMA EL TARZI: “They’re
just not going to give it to us like this. I mean, let’s be realistic.
These people were running the country for the past 60 years and it would
be very naive to expect that we tell them, okay we want a civil state,
we don’t want you to have anything to do and then they just going to
tell us, okay fine. Take it. I mean it wouldn’t make sense”.
KNIGHT:
Each year Egypt marks the anniversary of the 1973 war with Israel as
Armed Forces Day. The army has traditionally had the trust of the
Egyptian people and that trust was strengthened back in February when
soldiers came onto the street promising not to fire on protesters.
It
was the turning point of the revolution and it paved the way for the
Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, known as SCAF to take over –
promising elections within six months.
The SCAF leader is Field
Marshall Mohammed Tantawi who was Mubarak’s Defence Minister for 20
years and now fills the TV screens once dominated by the President. He
claims progress towards democracy is being made, but many Egyptians have
stopped listening.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: “You know the Army Council,
the SCAF, trying to kill the revolution. We went to the streets on the
25th of January against police and the torture and now we have police
and army police. We have military trials. We have over than 12 thousand
Egyptians accused”.
KNIGHT: Bothaina Kamel was a newsreader on
Egyptian state television until she quit five years ago, saying she
could no longer spruik the government’s propaganda. The revolution has
given her a direction – she’s now running for president.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “How to trust army? The mentality of the army is to give orders
and to obey orders. I believe that the army don’t want to give the power
to a civil president. That’s what I believe”.
KNIGHT: When the
military council SCAF announced last month it was bringing back
censorship laws, journalists were furious. In recent months reporters
have been harassed and arrested. Newspapers have been closed and at
Egyptian State Television, very little has changed as Bothaina Kamel
discovered when she appeared on a talk show.
BOTHAINA KAMEL:
[Egyptian talk show] “My program is the revolution’s demands – bread,
freedom and dignity. My slogan is ‘Egypt is my agenda’.”
KNIGHT: State TV management weren’t impressed. The presenter was told to kill the interview.
SHOW
PRESENTER: “Actually, I’m being forced to end the program now. The
producer in the control room has had calls from Dr Sami el-Sherif, head
of the Egyptian television union, ordering us to end this programme now.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: “This is worse than Mubarak’s media”.
KNIGHT: Two days later the army called.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “They charged me with insulting a member of the army council and
insulting the army but I said, ‘I respect very much the Egyptian Army
but me and all the Egyptians have the right to criticise the army
council and his politics’. They can’t accept criticising them, but why
we need a revolution?”
KNIGHT: In the working class area of Shoubra, many people are asking the same question.
“So you’re saying the mosques have got louder in recent times?”
DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “Yes. And even after the revolution of course they started under Sadat. We never had that before”.
KNIGHT: Dr Nawal Sadaawi is one of Egypt’s most famous authors and activists and another veteran of Tahrir Square.
DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We have a backlash. We have a backlash against the
revolution, against women, against secularism, against equality, against
democracy”.
KNIGHT: This is the problem. Everyone in Egypt has their own idea about what their revolution was about.
“Do you trust the army to steer Egypt towards democracy?”
DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “No. Two things I don’t trust. Military rule and religious rule. We must have a secular civil government”.
KNIGHT: “And what if you don’t get it?”
DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We fight for it. Nobody dreamt, I am a very, I am a
woman of struggle, of confrontation you know? I am a fighter, not only a
writer, so I struggle for everything – in my private life and in my
public life – so we never dreamt that Mubarak would leave”.
KNIGHT: The revolution was not just a reaction to the excesses of the regime, it was also driven by the fundamentals of life.
Ghalia Mahmoud is in many ways fairly typical of Egypt’s massive working class.
“So the poverty, was that why you supported the revolution or was there another reason?”
GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Of course. The revolution grew out of poverty and hunger –
that’s the main reason behind it. Some people had too much, while others
were hungry. That was the reason for the revolution – social justice”.
KNIGHT: “So Ghalia what’s your weekly food budget for your family?”
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “No more than 100 Egyptian pounds for the whole week”.
KNIGHT: “So for about 15 American dollars a week you’re feeding a family of ten, so what do they eat for that much money?”
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “Once a week I’ll feed them chicken or meat. The rest of the week is all vegetables with rice”.
KNIGHT:
While Ghalia still skimps on the household budget, the revolution has
given her a chance to show other Egyptians what they can do.
GHALIA MAHMOUD: [on her TV show] “Welcome my friends – and today is a new and delightful day”.
KNIGHT: It’s changed her life in ways she could never have expected. Ghalia Mahmoud is Egypt’s newest celebrity chef.
GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Today we’re going to cook breaded marrows in olive oil with
marrows and tomatoes. It’s a beautiful dish – you will enjoy it”.
KNIGHT:
There’s never been a show like this on Egyptian television and not just
because Hosni Mubarak’s wife Suzanne banned women in headscarves from
appearing on screen.
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “The old regime did not
want to show on TV that 90 per cent of the population cook this kind of
food. They always had these high-class programs trying to show the rest
of the world that Egyptians are always eating turkey, lamb and lobster.
They didn’t want to show the real Egypt”.
KNIGHT: Ghalia Mahmoud
was discovered while she was working as a cook for the sister of TV
producer Mohamed Gohar. He knew she’d be perfect for his new station,
called “25” after the January 25th revolution. Channel 25 broadcasts
from a studio in the shadow of the massive state television building. As
we left it that night, we walked straight into demonstrators who were
targeting that TV centre, known as the Maspiro.
Coptic
Christians were demanding that the army keep its promise to protect all
Egyptians. Since the revolution, they’ve come under increasing attack
from Muslim extremists.
MOHAMED ATEF: “The Egyptian revolution
meant for all Egyptians, freedom. But unfortunately the freedom didn’t
reach us until now. Until now we didn’t get it. I am Muslim but I am
talking in the same tongue as my Coptic brothers. The Egyptian
revolution didn’t protect them, didn’t protect their freedom to
religion”.
KNIGHT: Four nights later we’re back near the
government television centre again watching a much bigger rally by
Christians and some of their Muslim allies. Initially they’re attacked
by thugs. Then, there are running street battles with riot police and
soldiers. State TV inflames the situation telling its viewers the army
is coming under attack from Christians and that people should come onto
the streets to help the soldiers.
Armoured vehicles career into
crowds, crushing protestors to death. We heard gunshots, riot police
fired tear gas and charge with batons raised. We’re chased across a
bridge spanning the Nile. State TV reports that three soldiers have been
killed but it says nothing about any other casualties.
At Cairo’s Coptic Hospital we find them. Chaos reigns in the morgue. People are keen to show us the victims.
There’s
only room for three bodies in the refrigerated section. The bodies of
14 others are laid on the floor. Their faces uncovered for their
families to identify them.
“This is not the first time that I’ve
been in a morgue but it would have to be the most distressing. Normally
you’re looking at the bodies that are casualties of war. These are
casualties of something else. I can’t describe the injuries. When a face
is caved in, it doesn’t come from a bullet, it comes from something…
who knows what.
What is also distressing is the way that the
grief here is now turning to anger and outside these walls is the
Egyptian Army. Now this is now where the protest and the riot took
place. It was four or five kilometres away from here, but the Army has
now come here. There are running battles outside in the street. We can’t
leave. No one in here can leave. Why are they there?”
PAULUS ZAKI: “We are Christian. We come for the peace. We only came to Maspiro and we told them we’d finish about 8 o’clock”.
KNIGHT: “They said that you set fire to the police vehicles, that police officers were killed”.
PAULUS
ZAKI: “Yes police officers and the army, the Egyptian Army. I cannot
believe the Egyptian Army has killed Egyptian people. Whatever
nationality we are, we are Egyptian. We cannot believe that. How can you
do this to people, why?”
KNIGHT: At least 27 people were killed and 300 wounded in the worst episode of violence since the revolution.
SCAF called a media conference to defend itself against accusations of murder.
ARMY PERSONNEL: “The Armed Forces would never direct its fire at the people”.
KNIGHT:
“The army claims soldiers didn’t use live ammunition and didn’t
deliberately run over anyone. It blames the deaths on unnamed
infiltrators trying to destroy the revolution”.
SALMA EL TARZI:
“And they always use big words like, ‘foreign conspiracy’, ‘mysterious
powers’, ‘powers of darkness’ and this is not a joke. One of the
statements said ‘the mysterious powers of darkness’. It was like Darth
Vader is invading Cairo. They never tell you who this is but they always
keep it vague and they always make you feel that there is this huge
conspiracy against Egypt and it’s everyone’s duty to really protect it
and the only way to protect it is to kill the people that are
demonstrating in the street”.
KNIGHT: On the night of the Coptic
protest, Channel 25 shows pictures of the melee outside its windows.
Suddenly, armed soldiers burst into its studio. The pregnant news
presenter is terrified. A Christian staffer is beaten up.
Channel 25
protests against the army raid and shuts down. Ghalia Mahmoud’s new
career looks short lived. But in the past week, both Channel 25 and
Ghalia are back on the air.
Many other Egyptians are also finding
that the revolution isn’t delivering change. The economy is paralysed.
Half the population lives on less than two dollars a day. Even in the
fertile Nile Valley, farmers can only afford to lease tiny plots of
land. They’re desperately poor. In the village of Kafr Hemayed there’s
no sanitation and very little running water and electricity. It has only
a junior school and as many as eighty-five students are crammed into
each classroom.
“This village is believed to be the poorest in
the governorate of Giza, although figures are almost impossible to come
by. But it’s exactly the sort of place that was ignored and taken for
granted by the ruling party. No politician of any consequence ever came
here and certainly no one ever felt the need to campaign here, but
tonight that’s going to change”.
Bothaina Kamel wants to be president to improve villagers’ lives yet she’s asking some difficult questions of potential voters.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “Do you believe in equality, meaning that the rich and the poor
are equal and that we’re all equal? We must believe that this is the
principle we must fight for – that no Muslim is better than a Christian.
And when we educate, we educate the boy and the girl”.
KNIGHT:
She crashes a wedding party, but no one seems to mind. Her TV profile
probably helps. Most people just seem stunned that someone like her is
actually paying attention to them. At the mayor’s house, village leaders
are pouring out their problems. Bothaina Kamel asks them to swear a
pledge.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: [village leaders repeat after her] “I
swear by the Almighty God I will not go back to my old ways, being a
passive citizen. And that I will not let anyone steal my rights and my
homeland’s rights and my children’s rights”.
KNIGHT: One positive
effect of the February revolution has been the emergence of grass roots
political debate in Egypt. There are now more than 50 new political
parties - and in Tahrir Square come most Friday’s, each sets up its own
stage and PA system, each trying to drown out the others with ear
splitting speeches. The first round of parliamentary elections is due at
the end of the month, but even now after nine months in charge, SCAF
issues contradictory instructions about how those elections will be
conducted. The pro democracy campaigners have no confidence in them.
NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “We’re going to see lots of bloodshed during these
elections so that the army can come back and say, look we said it before
the Egyptian people aren’t ready now for democracy, there’s going to be
a mini-military takeover, we’re going to take things over until things
are stable again and then we’ll open things up for democracy later”.
KNIGHT:
18 days of defying the Mubarak regime dramatically changed Salma el
Tarzi’s life and while maintaining the rage still dominates her life,
she is getting back to work making documentaries. It’s not easy finding
the balance.
SALMA EL TARZI: “I do not expect the revolution to
be over soon. We are cleaning up the mess of the past, not only 30
years, I believe the past 60 years and it’s not going to happen in nine
months”.
COPTIC GROUP CHANTING: [at funeral] “With our spirit,
with our blood we sacrifice for the Cross. With our spirit, with our
blood we sacrifice for the Cross”.
KNIGHT: When the Coptic
community buried their dead, they called them martyrs. It’s an overused
word in the Middle East, but it’s still highly loaded. As each coffin
arrives, waves of emotion rip through the cathedral. For some the
anguish is too much to bear. Respect for human rights was a key demand
for pro democracy campaigners. While the army initially seemed to
understand this, the slaughter of Egyptian Christians has triggered the
biggest crisis in the country since the revolution.
The military
council intends to hold onto power until the Constitution is rewritten
and a presidential election is held. That could be as late as 2013 – far
too long for an impatient, angry people.
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:31 pm
PATHETIC, LOSER CHEATS...'Team TINTIN/ICKE'...
...somehow think it was a clever tactic, to live-time hack,
my efforts at trying to post these Currant, Hot, News reports
(along with a bit a of my, real, living human, real life connections
and experiences), but 'they' forget, I'm done warning...I basically
just let what is in the News, remind folk of the validity of
the warnings, that for years, I've been posting to watch for.
I had hoped, that after coming and seeing for himself,
the Blessings (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
and continuing to see those Real, Life Saving Blessings,
that "tintin" might also have found the courage that comes
with true Faith in The Creator of Life (that this little no body
has so richly been blessed with, by Living By That Faith),
and so, repent of his ways, and use his powerful position, for
Doing Justice.
How sad, that instead, he's only worked harder to recruit yet more,
selfish, self-serving, gutless fools, to attack yet more of those who
who are least able to protect and defend themselves, and how fitting,
that in doing so, he's driven yet more to Remember and Turn To,
THE Creator GOD, Who WARNED US ALL, FROM THE BEGINNING.
Poppy-burning image
leads to Northern Ireland arrests
Police question Coleraine residents after a picture of
two people burning a poppy appears on Facebook
Henry McDonald, Ireland correspondent
guardian.co.uk,
Thursday 3 November 2011 12.13 GMT
Article history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_British_Legion
I took my DEERhound POPPY for a walk yesterday
to visit a dear friend, and while there the subject of
attacking the memory of Our Fallen Soldiers came up.
We agreed that was CROSSING A LINE.
The subject of "tintin" SPITTING VENOM at ALL
Our Memorials while he was here, also came up.
I then went to two different supermarkets, were I bought
a POPPY at each. At the second, the gentleman selling
POPPIES, offered to watch my Deerhound, POPPY, while
I shopped. But forgetting I'd spent my cash buying pet
meat, I only had a dollar cash when I got out, so I intend
to go back out today and buy more from him.
As a child, war stories were my bedtime stories. My uncle
was a war casualty soldier in WW2. The only child who my
grandfather didn't manage to bring safely from Eastern
Europe, during WW1, into Yugoslavia, and out of there
after WW2, to AUSTRALIA.
He encouraged us to BE AUSTRALIAN, and BE GRATEFUL
To This Country, while also working for the Ukrainian community,
to help us become productive members of our new, and final
destination, Nation. Not begging from our Government for funding,
but building homes and centers of fund raising For Our New Country.
And he warned us of who the enemy were, who also came
to Australia. That they hadn't left behind, their treacherous,
bloody ways. And though most of my generation didn't want
to believe they could remain as they were in Europe, He was
Right.
LEST WE FORGET.
Extremist told hands off our heroes
Extremist told hands off our heroes
Shannon Deery
FEDERAL police are investigating a
heartless website campaign by a Muslim extremist
desecrating the memory of fallen soldiers.
88 comments on this story
Editorial: More pain for their families
1
O give thanks to Jehovah, YOU people, for he is good;
For his loving-kindness is to time indefinite.
2
Let the reclaimed ones of Jehovah say so,
Whom he has reclaimed from the hand of the adversary,
3
And whom he has collected together even from the lands,
From the sunrise and from the sunset,
From the north and from the south.
Read on, and Understand,
The Full, Descriptive Meaning:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=107&v=1&t=KJV#1[/quote]
...somehow think it was a clever tactic, to live-time hack,
my efforts at trying to post these Currant, Hot, News reports
(along with a bit a of my, real, living human, real life connections
and experiences), but 'they' forget, I'm done warning...I basically
just let what is in the News, remind folk of the validity of
the warnings, that for years, I've been posting to watch for.
I had hoped, that after coming and seeing for himself,
the Blessings (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
and continuing to see those Real, Life Saving Blessings,
that "tintin" might also have found the courage that comes
with true Faith in The Creator of Life (that this little no body
has so richly been blessed with, by Living By That Faith),
and so, repent of his ways, and use his powerful position, for
Doing Justice.
How sad, that instead, he's only worked harder to recruit yet more,
selfish, self-serving, gutless fools, to attack yet more of those who
who are least able to protect and defend themselves, and how fitting,
that in doing so, he's driven yet more to Remember and Turn To,
THE Creator GOD, Who WARNED US ALL, FROM THE BEGINNING.
Poppy-burning image
leads to Northern Ireland arrests
Police question Coleraine residents after a picture of
two people burning a poppy appears on Facebook
Henry McDonald, Ireland correspondent
guardian.co.uk,
Thursday 3 November 2011 12.13 GMT
Article history
Poppies at the British Legion poppy factory in Richmond, west London. Photograph: Suzanne Plunkett/Reuters
A number of people have been arrested in Northern Ireland after a picture of two youths burning a poppy was posted on Facebook.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland confirmed it was questioning people
from the Coleraine area after the image appeared on the website.
The Royal British Legion member Stephen Phillips, who reported the image
to the police, said he was shocked when he saw it.
"I couldn't believe what I was seeing," he said.
He added that those responsible for such incidents should realise "it
wasn't just Protestants, there were Catholics, there were Muslims, there
were Hindu people who laid their lives down in both world wars".
Robin Swann, an Stormont assembly member for the Ulster Unionist party, also denounced the online image.
"Clearly something is lacking in the lives of these young people and they
deserve our utter contempt. They certainly have no grasp of history or
current affairs. If they did they would know that the poppy remembers
the tens of thousands of Irishmen from both traditions who served in the
British army in the first world war, and also those who stood against Hitler
and fascism in the second world war. How anyone could be so ignorant
as to burn a symbol which remembers the fallen is beyond belief," he said.
"The tragic irony is that the freedoms
which the poppy burners both enjoy and abuse
have been paid for by other young men and women
who have the courage to
put on a uniform and place themselves in harm."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_British_Legion_Riders_Branch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_British_Legion
I took my DEERhound POPPY for a walk yesterday
to visit a dear friend, and while there the subject of
attacking the memory of Our Fallen Soldiers came up.
We agreed that was CROSSING A LINE.
The subject of "tintin" SPITTING VENOM at ALL
Our Memorials while he was here, also came up.
I then went to two different supermarkets, were I bought
a POPPY at each. At the second, the gentleman selling
POPPIES, offered to watch my Deerhound, POPPY, while
I shopped. But forgetting I'd spent my cash buying pet
meat, I only had a dollar cash when I got out, so I intend
to go back out today and buy more from him.
As a child, war stories were my bedtime stories. My uncle
was a war casualty soldier in WW2. The only child who my
grandfather didn't manage to bring safely from Eastern
Europe, during WW1, into Yugoslavia, and out of there
after WW2, to AUSTRALIA.
He encouraged us to BE AUSTRALIAN, and BE GRATEFUL
To This Country, while also working for the Ukrainian community,
to help us become productive members of our new, and final
destination, Nation. Not begging from our Government for funding,
but building homes and centers of fund raising For Our New Country.
And he warned us of who the enemy were, who also came
to Australia. That they hadn't left behind, their treacherous,
bloody ways. And though most of my generation didn't want
to believe they could remain as they were in Europe, He was
Right.
LEST WE FORGET.
Extremist told hands off our heroes
Extremist told hands off our heroes
Shannon Deery
FEDERAL police are investigating a
heartless website campaign by a Muslim extremist
desecrating the memory of fallen soldiers.
88 comments on this story
Editorial: More pain for their families
Psalms 107:1-43true lilly wrote:Remember I told you of how
"TINTIN" SPAT VENOM AT EVERY MEMORIAL
TO OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS, while he was here...
...well, here's yet another REAL WORLD,
REAL TIME, REAL PEOPLE, LINK TO TINTIN'S,
NO LONGER SECRET AGENDA, that I've paid
so heavily for REFUSING TO BUY...BASTARD!!!
WANTED ME TO DISHONOUR ALL WHO GAVE
THEIR LIVES FOR OUR LIVES!!!
Don't know how many times I had to remind him
that there is a BIG difference between war mongers,
and HONOURABLE HEARTED SOLDIERS who FOUGHT
FOR KIN, COUNTRY, and OUR CHOICE OF RULER!
No arrest for poppy attacks in shake-up
Poundland U-turn after poppy ban
BUDGET retailer decides staff CAN wear poppies to work after an online outcry
- Barclays in U-turn on staff poppies
- The last of the summer winos...
- Red tape bans Legion sellers
- The Sun Says
By GRAEME WILSON
Published: 14 Oct 2011
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BURNING poppies or abusing soldiers may no longer be illegal under plans
unveiled yesterday.
Ministers are considering making it legal to use insulting words or actions to
avoid "criminalising free speech".
Yobs can currently be nicked for being "threatening, abusive or insulting".
Tougher rules ... Theresa May
Emdadur Choudhury, 26, was charged last year after burning poppies and five
Muslims were convicted for shouting insults at a homecoming parade.
Ministers have also unveiled plans to let cops make thugs remove "face
coverings" or masks.
But minister James Brokenshire said: "We must make sure any powers do not
trample upon traditional British freedoms."
Meanwhile, tighter laws brought in by Theresa May saw the number of
anti-terror stop and searches fall from 102,504 to 9,652 last year.
__________________________________________
Yet...YET, HE and "THEY" PROUDLY CALL FOR
REVOLUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD TODAY,
TO HAND RULE TO "THEM"!!!
AND LOOK WHAT THAT COST THOSE,
MOST VULNERABLE, WHO BOUGHT HIS/"THEIR"
CURRENT WAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA!!!
Revolution Hijacked
Broadcast: 01/11/2011
Reporter: Ben Knight
With over 50 new political
parties, the upcoming round of elections draw many candidates to Tahrir
Square each week hoping to influence the voters.
“I do have one regret, that on the 11th of February, we accepted to leave the square. Maybe we should have stayed.” - Salma el Tarzi, documentary maker and protester.
"Salma in the Square",
broadcast in February, was one of Foreign Correspondent’s most
memorable stories this year. As protesters occupied Tahrir Square in
central Cairo, refusing to leave in the face of violence, threats and
intimidation from the regime of Hosni Mubarak, we were there, following
the drama through the eyes of a charismatic young rebel, Salma el Tarzi.
Like
so many others, our crew was beaten by pro-government thugs and
detained by military police. Protesters were shot, beaten and injured.
For
eighteen long days and nights no-one knew whether the revolution would
succeed. Eventually President Mubarak stepped down. The Egyptian Army
stayed neutral; the people had triumphed, or so they thought.
Now we're back in Egypt to see what the revolution has delivered.
Despite
military promises to supervise a quick transition to democracy, that
hasn’t happened. Instead we’ve seen state-sponsored thuggery, the
reimposition of censorship, and thousands of military trials where
people convicted have no right of appeal.
Our crew was on hand on
two occasions when Coptic Christians and Muslim allies clashed with
military and police near the government television station.
In
the second clash at least 27 people were killed and three injured.
Foreign Correspondent was one of the few media teams able to enter the
Coptic Hospital morgue where the dead, many of them squashed by armoured
personnel carriers, had been brought.
“You know the army council is trying to kill the revolution.” - Bothaina Kamel, former newsreader and now presidential candidate
Amid
the bloodshed and trouble there are signs of hope as well. Visit Tahrir
Square and you’ll find a democratic nursery, full of passionate
speakers and throbbing sound systems selling the merits of just some of
Egypt’s fifty new political parties.
Bothaina Kamel and Salma el
Tarzi are just two of many women who now have a voice and a more
prominent role in the new Egypt. Kamel has begun campaigning for a
presidential election which may be as far off as 2013.
And we
meet Ghalia Mahmoud, formerly a humble housewife, now Egypt’s latest
television sensation, with her own cooking show featuring local cuisine.
“The old regime did not want to show on TV that 90 per cent
of the population eat this kind of food. They always had these high
class programs, trying to show the rest of the world that Egyptians are
always eating turkey, lamb, and lobster. They didn’t want to show the
real Egypt.” - Ghalia Mahmoud, television chef
__________________________________
Further information
The Australian Coptic Movement is planning a
Vigil for Peace
in Sydney on Friday November 4
__________________________________
Transcript
KNIGHT:
Being here in this square back in February on the night that Hosni
Mubarak quit was something that I will simply just never forget. Just to
be around so many people who were exploding with joy and relief and
probably most of all, hope. Well coming back you can still find the hope
but I’m also seeing a lot of anger and confusion.
On the right
day, in the right light, Cairo looks serene. The Nile is a timeless
constant. So too it seems is the struggle for power. The revolution is
far from over.
The rebellion gathered and grew nine months ago at a
busy roundabout in the centre of Cairo. As the world knows well enough
now, it’s a place called Tahrir Square. For 18 days and nights,
Egyptians occupied the centre of the city.
Early on Foreign
Correspondent met one of the revolution’s most impressive young leaders,
Salma el Tarzi and followed her as the mood swung from day to day,
hopes rising and falling that President Hosni Mubarak would give up
power.
SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “It’s
overwhelming because there are so many emotions. It’s so beautiful and
so ugly at the same time but there’s this feeling of pride. Everyone in
this square is walking with their backs straight for the first time in
their lives. We are not animals. We have the right to be people and hold
our heads high”.
KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor was also in Tahrir
Square in February on the day the Mubarak regime paid thugs to attack
pro-democracy demonstrators.
NOOR AYMAN NOOR: [During February
protest] “They’re trying to get Egyptians to kill each other. They sent
their supporters with horses and camels so that they can be violent with
us, so that we will kill each other”.
KNIGHT: On the 11th of February, Hosni Mubarak finally stepped down.
SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “I think we’re going to celebrate for another couple of days”.
KNIGHT:
The Egyptian army took over promising it would manage a transition to
democracy. The revolutionaries had won… or so they thought. Now Salma el
Tarzi fears that the army has no intention of going back to the
barracks.
SALMA EL TARZI: “It’s unfortunate that it has to be
this ugly and that the army is forcing the situation that there should
be so much bloodshed but if this is what it takes, then this is what it
takes”.
KNIGHT: Every day, the Egyptian army is looking more and
more like the regime it replaced. This video posted on YouTube has
provoked disgust. It’s hard to watch. It shows soldiers and police
bashing and giving electric shocks to two men they accuse of selling
weapons. This is the sort of brutality for which the Egyptian police
were despised, methods which the army was thought not to practice.
NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “What breaks my heart is the fact that we all knew it would
be a difficult road after Mubarak left. I just never thought that we’d
be oppressed in the exact same way by very similar people, using the
exact same mechanisms”.
KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor is the son of a
prominent Egyptian politician and bears the scars of being a
revolutionary. Aged just twenty-one, all his energies go into resisting
the military’s repression.
NOOR AYMAN NOOR: “People getting
beaten up, people getting killed, people getting arrested, people being
placed on military trials. As well as again using the media to scare
people, to give them the impression that okay the revolution is over,
now it’s time to start building again”.
SALMA EL TARZI: “They’re
just not going to give it to us like this. I mean, let’s be realistic.
These people were running the country for the past 60 years and it would
be very naive to expect that we tell them, okay we want a civil state,
we don’t want you to have anything to do and then they just going to
tell us, okay fine. Take it. I mean it wouldn’t make sense”.
KNIGHT:
Each year Egypt marks the anniversary of the 1973 war with Israel as
Armed Forces Day. The army has traditionally had the trust of the
Egyptian people and that trust was strengthened back in February when
soldiers came onto the street promising not to fire on protesters.
It
was the turning point of the revolution and it paved the way for the
Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, known as SCAF to take over –
promising elections within six months.
The SCAF leader is Field
Marshall Mohammed Tantawi who was Mubarak’s Defence Minister for 20
years and now fills the TV screens once dominated by the President. He
claims progress towards democracy is being made, but many Egyptians have
stopped listening.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: “You know the Army Council,
the SCAF, trying to kill the revolution. We went to the streets on the
25th of January against police and the torture and now we have police
and army police. We have military trials. We have over than 12 thousand
Egyptians accused”.
KNIGHT: Bothaina Kamel was a newsreader on
Egyptian state television until she quit five years ago, saying she
could no longer spruik the government’s propaganda. The revolution has
given her a direction – she’s now running for president.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “How to trust army? The mentality of the army is to give orders
and to obey orders. I believe that the army don’t want to give the power
to a civil president. That’s what I believe”.
KNIGHT: When the
military council SCAF announced last month it was bringing back
censorship laws, journalists were furious. In recent months reporters
have been harassed and arrested. Newspapers have been closed and at
Egyptian State Television, very little has changed as Bothaina Kamel
discovered when she appeared on a talk show.
BOTHAINA KAMEL:
[Egyptian talk show] “My program is the revolution’s demands – bread,
freedom and dignity. My slogan is ‘Egypt is my agenda’.”
KNIGHT: State TV management weren’t impressed. The presenter was told to kill the interview.
SHOW
PRESENTER: “Actually, I’m being forced to end the program now. The
producer in the control room has had calls from Dr Sami el-Sherif, head
of the Egyptian television union, ordering us to end this programme now.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: “This is worse than Mubarak’s media”.
KNIGHT: Two days later the army called.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “They charged me with insulting a member of the army council and
insulting the army but I said, ‘I respect very much the Egyptian Army
but me and all the Egyptians have the right to criticise the army
council and his politics’. They can’t accept criticising them, but why
we need a revolution?”
KNIGHT: In the working class area of Shoubra, many people are asking the same question.
“So you’re saying the mosques have got louder in recent times?”
DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “Yes. And even after the revolution of course they started under Sadat. We never had that before”.
KNIGHT: Dr Nawal Sadaawi is one of Egypt’s most famous authors and activists and another veteran of Tahrir Square.
DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We have a backlash. We have a backlash against the
revolution, against women, against secularism, against equality, against
democracy”.
KNIGHT: This is the problem. Everyone in Egypt has their own idea about what their revolution was about.
“Do you trust the army to steer Egypt towards democracy?”
DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “No. Two things I don’t trust. Military rule and religious rule. We must have a secular civil government”.
KNIGHT: “And what if you don’t get it?”
DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We fight for it. Nobody dreamt, I am a very, I am a
woman of struggle, of confrontation you know? I am a fighter, not only a
writer, so I struggle for everything – in my private life and in my
public life – so we never dreamt that Mubarak would leave”.
KNIGHT: The revolution was not just a reaction to the excesses of the regime, it was also driven by the fundamentals of life.
Ghalia Mahmoud is in many ways fairly typical of Egypt’s massive working class.
“So the poverty, was that why you supported the revolution or was there another reason?”
GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Of course. The revolution grew out of poverty and hunger –
that’s the main reason behind it. Some people had too much, while others
were hungry. That was the reason for the revolution – social justice”.
KNIGHT: “So Ghalia what’s your weekly food budget for your family?”
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “No more than 100 Egyptian pounds for the whole week”.
KNIGHT: “So for about 15 American dollars a week you’re feeding a family of ten, so what do they eat for that much money?”
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “Once a week I’ll feed them chicken or meat. The rest of the week is all vegetables with rice”.
KNIGHT:
While Ghalia still skimps on the household budget, the revolution has
given her a chance to show other Egyptians what they can do.
GHALIA MAHMOUD: [on her TV show] “Welcome my friends – and today is a new and delightful day”.
KNIGHT: It’s changed her life in ways she could never have expected. Ghalia Mahmoud is Egypt’s newest celebrity chef.
GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Today we’re going to cook breaded marrows in olive oil with
marrows and tomatoes. It’s a beautiful dish – you will enjoy it”.
KNIGHT:
There’s never been a show like this on Egyptian television and not just
because Hosni Mubarak’s wife Suzanne banned women in headscarves from
appearing on screen.
GHALIA MAHMOUD: “The old regime did not
want to show on TV that 90 per cent of the population cook this kind of
food. They always had these high-class programs trying to show the rest
of the world that Egyptians are always eating turkey, lamb and lobster.
They didn’t want to show the real Egypt”.
KNIGHT: Ghalia Mahmoud
was discovered while she was working as a cook for the sister of TV
producer Mohamed Gohar. He knew she’d be perfect for his new station,
called “25” after the January 25th revolution. Channel 25 broadcasts
from a studio in the shadow of the massive state television building. As
we left it that night, we walked straight into demonstrators who were
targeting that TV centre, known as the Maspiro.
Coptic
Christians were demanding that the army keep its promise to protect all
Egyptians. Since the revolution, they’ve come under increasing attack
from Muslim extremists.
MOHAMED ATEF: “The Egyptian revolution
meant for all Egyptians, freedom. But unfortunately the freedom didn’t
reach us until now. Until now we didn’t get it. I am Muslim but I am
talking in the same tongue as my Coptic brothers. The Egyptian
revolution didn’t protect them, didn’t protect their freedom to
religion”.
KNIGHT: Four nights later we’re back near the
government television centre again watching a much bigger rally by
Christians and some of their Muslim allies. Initially they’re attacked
by thugs. Then, there are running street battles with riot police and
soldiers. State TV inflames the situation telling its viewers the army
is coming under attack from Christians and that people should come onto
the streets to help the soldiers.
Armoured vehicles career into
crowds, crushing protestors to death. We heard gunshots, riot police
fired tear gas and charge with batons raised. We’re chased across a
bridge spanning the Nile. State TV reports that three soldiers have been
killed but it says nothing about any other casualties.
At Cairo’s Coptic Hospital we find them. Chaos reigns in the morgue. People are keen to show us the victims.
There’s
only room for three bodies in the refrigerated section. The bodies of
14 others are laid on the floor. Their faces uncovered for their
families to identify them.
“This is not the first time that I’ve
been in a morgue but it would have to be the most distressing. Normally
you’re looking at the bodies that are casualties of war. These are
casualties of something else. I can’t describe the injuries. When a face
is caved in, it doesn’t come from a bullet, it comes from something…
who knows what.
What is also distressing is the way that the
grief here is now turning to anger and outside these walls is the
Egyptian Army. Now this is now where the protest and the riot took
place. It was four or five kilometres away from here, but the Army has
now come here. There are running battles outside in the street. We can’t
leave. No one in here can leave. Why are they there?”
PAULUS ZAKI: “We are Christian. We come for the peace. We only came to Maspiro and we told them we’d finish about 8 o’clock”.
KNIGHT: “They said that you set fire to the police vehicles, that police officers were killed”.
PAULUS
ZAKI: “Yes police officers and the army, the Egyptian Army. I cannot
believe the Egyptian Army has killed Egyptian people. Whatever
nationality we are, we are Egyptian. We cannot believe that. How can you
do this to people, why?”
KNIGHT: At least 27 people were killed and 300 wounded in the worst episode of violence since the revolution.
SCAF called a media conference to defend itself against accusations of murder.
ARMY PERSONNEL: “The Armed Forces would never direct its fire at the people”.
KNIGHT:
“The army claims soldiers didn’t use live ammunition and didn’t
deliberately run over anyone. It blames the deaths on unnamed
infiltrators trying to destroy the revolution”.
SALMA EL TARZI:
“And they always use big words like, ‘foreign conspiracy’, ‘mysterious
powers’, ‘powers of darkness’ and this is not a joke. One of the
statements said ‘the mysterious powers of darkness’. It was like Darth
Vader is invading Cairo. They never tell you who this is but they always
keep it vague and they always make you feel that there is this huge
conspiracy against Egypt and it’s everyone’s duty to really protect it
and the only way to protect it is to kill the people that are
demonstrating in the street”.
KNIGHT: On the night of the Coptic
protest, Channel 25 shows pictures of the melee outside its windows.
Suddenly, armed soldiers burst into its studio. The pregnant news
presenter is terrified. A Christian staffer is beaten up.
Channel 25
protests against the army raid and shuts down. Ghalia Mahmoud’s new
career looks short lived. But in the past week, both Channel 25 and
Ghalia are back on the air.
Many other Egyptians are also finding
that the revolution isn’t delivering change. The economy is paralysed.
Half the population lives on less than two dollars a day. Even in the
fertile Nile Valley, farmers can only afford to lease tiny plots of
land. They’re desperately poor. In the village of Kafr Hemayed there’s
no sanitation and very little running water and electricity. It has only
a junior school and as many as eighty-five students are crammed into
each classroom.
“This village is believed to be the poorest in
the governorate of Giza, although figures are almost impossible to come
by. But it’s exactly the sort of place that was ignored and taken for
granted by the ruling party. No politician of any consequence ever came
here and certainly no one ever felt the need to campaign here, but
tonight that’s going to change”.
Bothaina Kamel wants to be president to improve villagers’ lives yet she’s asking some difficult questions of potential voters.
BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “Do you believe in equality, meaning that the rich and the poor
are equal and that we’re all equal? We must believe that this is the
principle we must fight for – that no Muslim is better than a Christian.
And when we educate, we educate the boy and the girl”.
KNIGHT:
She crashes a wedding party, but no one seems to mind. Her TV profile
probably helps. Most people just seem stunned that someone like her is
actually paying attention to them. At the mayor’s house, village leaders
are pouring out their problems. Bothaina Kamel asks them to swear a
pledge.
BOTHAINA KAMEL: [village leaders repeat after her] “I
swear by the Almighty God I will not go back to my old ways, being a
passive citizen. And that I will not let anyone steal my rights and my
homeland’s rights and my children’s rights”.
KNIGHT: One positive
effect of the February revolution has been the emergence of grass roots
political debate in Egypt. There are now more than 50 new political
parties - and in Tahrir Square come most Friday’s, each sets up its own
stage and PA system, each trying to drown out the others with ear
splitting speeches. The first round of parliamentary elections is due at
the end of the month, but even now after nine months in charge, SCAF
issues contradictory instructions about how those elections will be
conducted. The pro democracy campaigners have no confidence in them.
NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “We’re going to see lots of bloodshed during these
elections so that the army can come back and say, look we said it before
the Egyptian people aren’t ready now for democracy, there’s going to be
a mini-military takeover, we’re going to take things over until things
are stable again and then we’ll open things up for democracy later”.
KNIGHT:
18 days of defying the Mubarak regime dramatically changed Salma el
Tarzi’s life and while maintaining the rage still dominates her life,
she is getting back to work making documentaries. It’s not easy finding
the balance.
SALMA EL TARZI: “I do not expect the revolution to
be over soon. We are cleaning up the mess of the past, not only 30
years, I believe the past 60 years and it’s not going to happen in nine
months”.
COPTIC GROUP CHANTING: [at funeral] “With our spirit,
with our blood we sacrifice for the Cross. With our spirit, with our
blood we sacrifice for the Cross”.
KNIGHT: When the Coptic
community buried their dead, they called them martyrs. It’s an overused
word in the Middle East, but it’s still highly loaded. As each coffin
arrives, waves of emotion rip through the cathedral. For some the
anguish is too much to bear. Respect for human rights was a key demand
for pro democracy campaigners. While the army initially seemed to
understand this, the slaughter of Egyptian Christians has triggered the
biggest crisis in the country since the revolution.
The military
council intends to hold onto power until the Constitution is rewritten
and a presidential election is held. That could be as late as 2013 – far
too long for an impatient, angry people.
1
O give thanks to Jehovah, YOU people, for he is good;
For his loving-kindness is to time indefinite.
2
Let the reclaimed ones of Jehovah say so,
Whom he has reclaimed from the hand of the adversary,
3
And whom he has collected together even from the lands,
From the sunrise and from the sunset,
From the north and from the south.
Read on, and Understand,
The Full, Descriptive Meaning:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=107&v=1&t=KJV#1[/quote]
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:59 pm
Flying? Call 13 13 13
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
Flying? Call 13 13 13
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly wrote:http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3205tintin" aka Cruise wrote:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3206
Curse of Cruise
In 1988 IRAN FLIGHT 655 was shot down on 3 JULY,
on the 26th birthday of TOM CRUISE.
YES, "tintin" posted as "Cruise"
BEFORE he FLEW OUT of MELBOURNE,
TO SYDNEY,
under the passport of "Aarnout van der Plooge".
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
Flying? Call 13 13 13
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:38 am
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH
(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)
Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya
...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...
SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...
...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html
...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?
YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,
GOD CAN and DOES!
And That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.
P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me ,
when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
cori wrote:
05-01-2011, 03:33 PM
This is a WARNING! of a total financial crash.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555tintin wrote:
05-01-2011, 09:42 PM
Quote:
Folks,
Originally Posted by faraday
The Land Of The Rising Sun
In the U.S television series, "FRIENDS",
the characters helped and protected each
other like a FAMILY.
I see poster FARADAY has returned.
I have seen many idiots here but
FARADAY is the
SUPREME SUPERIOR IDIOT
Poster FARADAY told the READERS here they WERE ALL AGENTS.
Just to let you know,
Don't take anything serious FARADAY posts.
I have no problem with IDIOTS.
( I mean, that's life)
FARADAY is different because he/she (whatever) crosses
all borders of sanity, decency, lunacy, etc.....
Posters like FARADY make me jump to GREECE RESTAURANTS
and order METAXA in amounts GRAHAM GREENE wouldn't
even dare to write about. ( Sorry Graham, it's all very true)
Sorry Graham, remember our good time in Vienna?
Yeah, those good old days.
No Idiots around, you know, just Anton Karas.....
Romance, spies, suspence....
Remember Orson?
Did you know, Dolores Del Rio and Me.....
Well, forget it.....
Between You, and me Graham,
Dolores actually was Dutch!
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH
(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)
Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya
...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...
SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...
...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html
...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?
YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,
GOD CAN and DOES!
And That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.
P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me
,when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:22 pm
"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...
ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...
and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!
nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!
Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...
ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...
and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!
nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!
true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria
6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning
sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.
Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:26 pm
"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...
ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...
and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!
nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!
Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...
ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...
and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!
nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!
true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria
6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning
sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.
Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
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Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: "tintin": an insight.
sharky Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:32 pm
true lilly wrote:true lilly wrote:true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going on latelyI tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if I post it, it's worth looking into.true lilly wrote:
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........I vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my antisemitc/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!
sheeesh suzi/lilly, tell us sumthin' we don't know. You're a liar.
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.pdf
Theology and RaceAT NOON ON SATURDAY, MAY 6, 1939, a group of Protestant theologians, pastors,
and churchgoers gathered at the historic Wartburg Castle, resonant with Lutheran
and nationalist significance, to celebrate the official opening of the Institute
for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church
Life (Institut zur Erforschung und Beseitigung des jüdischen Einfl usses auf
das deutsche kirchliche Leben). The Institute’s goals were both political and
theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in
the process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed new biblical interpretations
and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime
carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefi ned Christianity
as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, was no Jew but rather had fought
valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling as victim to that struggle. Germans were
now called upon to be the victors in Jesus’s own struggle against the Jews, who
were said to be seeking Germany’s destruction.
Most members of the Institute, particularly its academic director, Walter
Grundmann, professor of New Testament at the University of Jena, regarded
their work as being in the theological avant-garde, addressing and resolving
a problem that had long plagued Christian theology: how to establish clear and distinct boundaries between earliest Christianity and Judaism and eliminate all traces of Jewish influence from contemporary Christian theology and religious practice. As a predominantly younger generation of scholars, trained by Germany’s leading scholars of early Christianity—many members of the Institute were students of the distinguished Tübingen professor, Gerhard Kittel, himself a Nazi who produced antisemitic propaganda1—they saw themselves able to recover the historically genuine, non-Jewish Jesus and a Christian message compatible with contemporary German identity. Theirs was a goal of purification, authenticity, and theological revolution, all in the name of historical-critical methods and commitment to Germanness, to be achieved by eradicating the Jewish from the Christian. A Christian message tainted by Jewishness could not serve Germans, nor could a Jewish message be the accurate teaching of Jesus.
The Institute’s goals were stated forthrightly at its opening by Grundmann, who delivered the keynote lecture on “The Dejudaization of the Religious Life as the Task of German Theology and Church.” The present era, he declared, was similar to the Reformation: Protestants had to overcome Judaism just as Luther had overcome Catholicism. “The elimination of Jewish infl uence on German life is the urgent and fundamental question of the present German religious situation.”
Modern New Testament scholarship had made apparent the “deformation of New Testament ideas into Old Testament preconceptions, so that now angry recognition of the Jewishness in the Old Testament and in parts of the New Testament has arisen, obstructing access to the Bible for innumerable German people.”2
The Bible would have to be purified, Grundmann continued, restored to its pristine condition, to proclaim the truth about Jesus: that he sought the destruction of Judaism.
Munich’s Cardinal Faulhaber, for example, delivered a series of Advent sermons in 1933 attacking the German Christian movement, but his argument, almost identical to what the Confessing Church leaders came to argue, was that the Old Testament need not be eliminated as a Jewish book, as some German Christians advocated; it was, rather, an anti-Jewish book, Faulhaber insisted, since the prophets were constantly condemning Israel for its sinful ways.7 Faulhaber’s objection, then, was not to the German Christians’ antisemitism, but to their failure to realize that the Old Testament itself was on their side.8
ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY
Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting
anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfi lled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14
In reality Nazism accomplished but few of its goals. But in one area, that of the Jewish question, political myth achieved its purpose to the full. Here the regime met the least opposition from those who in other matters were hardly in accord with Nazism—be it intellectuals, the churches or public opinion in the Reich or abroad. The Jew served as the focal point round which Nazism turned and on which the structural process of value-transformation and reversal of meanings took place. Among the values and meanings that were transformed, the symbol itself was turned into substance; consequently, the negation of Judaism had to be transformed into the annihilation of the Jew, this time not spiritually but rather physically, not symbolically but in substance.” Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption,
and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.
Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fi ghter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?
Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.
Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European
culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political signifi cance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19..........................
The error Of Replacement Theology
http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htmReplacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?
Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.
The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.
Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.
Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.
The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.
Replacement Theology
Its Origins, Teachings and Errors
By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries
(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)
http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.phpDefinition
Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:
1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.
2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”
Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).
Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)
One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.
THE END TIME SOLUTION TO
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
By Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=3&type=12The hideous falsehood known as replacement theology has been a cancer in theological circles for the past two millennia that just seems to refuse to go away. While replacement theology takes on different applications, and modes, it is a theology originated by the early non Jewish fathers of the so called "Christian Church". It coldly states that a new Rome centered, and Roman based ecclesiastical organization called "the church", is the "new Israel". This new Israel, would now forever replace Jewish Israel, since Yahuwah permanently rejected the Jews for killing their Messiah, His Son. Extreme proponents of replacement theology have even gone so far as to claim that Yahuwah, the mean, and cruel despot, was the Elohim of the Old Covenant Jews, as opposed to Yahshua who is the forever loving, kind, and compassionate Elohim who had REPLACED YAHUWAH AS LORD OF "THE CHURCH" OR THE SO CALLED "NEW ISRAEL". In other words, Yahshua’s people have replaced the Father’s people.
This hideous doctrine is by no means a small theological side issue to be argued in a local pub. It has been at the forefront of antisemitism, Judeo-phobia, and has fully provided fuel for tragic historical events such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Crusades, the ouster of the Jews from every European country, as well as the Nazi holocaust. As history clearly demonstrates, Martin Luther, and other Protestant reformers blueprinted both the call, and the plans for the annihilation of the Jewish nation from Europe, and later the world by providing "so called Christians", with biblical justification to perpetrate genocide on world Jewry. Adolph Hitler knew full well that he could find theological approval, and support from these church folks. The inbred functionalism of this spiritual cancer amongst those that preach Yahshua is so widespread that it cannot be fully reversed, and eliminated until Yahshua’s millennial reign begins shortly when He returns to the earth. Even such seemingly benign church doctrines such as "Kingdom Now" theology or "Dominion" theology, where the so called "church" will christianize the world through the establishment of the bible as a global constitution, and whereby all world powers, and authorities will be won to, and taken over by Christendom, are nothing more than new attempts at replacing the "troublesome Jews". Wasn’t this flawed global christianization program, whereby Yahshua would merely take over a globally loyal populace converted through church efforts, already tried numerous times? Historically they were called the Crusades, Inquisitions, and Pogroms. Was it not the Crusaders who were attempting to take the globe by the sword, and convert, and subdue it by the gospel?
The theology of "Dominion Now" or "Kingdom Now", is nothing but a papal farce, designed to enlist Protestants in a new age attempt to liquidate the Jewish race, by theology rather than by a sword. They believe twentieth century man will not respond favorably to any elimination of the Jewish nation via bloodletting. Therefore in these last days, we see a major resurgence in "church" theology, designed to subdue, and eliminate the Jew. In these various applications of replacement theology, the Jew has no future whatsoever unless he agrees to become one with "the church", and assimilate his precious customs, feasts, seventh day Sabbaths, and the rest of his national identity through incorporation or more accurately through disappearance, and integration within "the church".
These hideous theologies call anything Jewish to be anti Christ, and legalistic. Jewish practices are not welcome in their church systems. It is simply fascinating to me that "the church" has this insatiable desire to institute biblical law, and church sovereignty over the globe by spreading Yahuwah’s laws, when one of the major errors within Christianity is the very rejection, and the denial of the validity of first covenant instruction in New Covenant times.
The so called "church" system has repeatedly, and pridefully proclaimed to its adherents that the Torah or the laws of first covenant Israel are passed away, and nailed to the cross, and have therefore been replaced by the second covenant law, which is love, baby, love. In other words, this man made ecclesiastical organization started, funded, and headquartered in Rome, now wants to force their paganized Christendom down the throats of the worlds populace, with obedience to THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, and other teachings all based on the Decalogue, all the while instructing her very own members that it is not applicable to the New Covenant "church". Now you talk about confusion! How can a man made ecclesiastical system that is boastfully, and wrongfully antinomian (anti-Torah), at it’s very core theology, force the world’s populace to submit to rules, and regulations that they themselves loath as having preceded from the Jewish despot named Yahuwah, and His Jews? Remember that in true replacement theology a pagan blonde haired, and blue eyed European, pork eating Jesus (the English translation of the sun deity Zeus), has replaced Yahuwah the Father as LORD (from the pagan deity Lourdes), over his "church" (from the pagan circular ritual conducted by the Celts).
The most disturbing part of all this is that replacement theology continues to spread overtly, and covertly in these last days seemingly unchecked, and undetected by born again folks of all denominations, as well as by Messianic Jews. As this study progresses you will find, and discover the alarming fact that modern day Messianic Judaism has in most cases fallen into the same trap of replacement theology that they loath, and despise. Messianic Judaism has every right to loath replacement theology. However through error, and pride they not only forsake the true solution to the error of replacement theology, (which is readily available by studying the scriptures accurately with an open mind), but worse yet, they have unknowingly become accomplices to the doctrine itself.
Before we demonstrate the biblically prescribed means for the elimination of this hideous creed, we will learn a few more insights into this doctrine of replacement theology. The first error of this false doctrine is that the church has replaced Israel (the Jews) as the historic continuation of the people of Israel. According to this line of reasoning, Jewish Israel ceased from being a people, with a historic relevancy to Yahuwah at Pentecost in 33 AD. In other words, a total cessation of all eternal promises, and blessings which had been promised to the Jews, had come about because of the New Covenant "church", who unilaterally declared the first covenant promises to the Jews null, and void. The truth of course is that the physical descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, had, and will continue to have a crucial, and vital role in the historical, and redemptive purposes of the Father. Replacement theology declares that the Jews are no different than any other people group, and that their chosen status was self appointed, and has ceased when their "European" non Jewish (Jesus) went to the cross.
The truth of course is that no other nation before or since has been earmarked by Yahuwah to work out His redemptive, and earthly will, as has Israel (12 tribes).
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Re: "tintin": an insight.
true lilly Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:39 pm
true lilly wrote:So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...
ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...
and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!
nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria
6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.
Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
by barnacle bill
Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".
"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.
P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........
I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!
ADD TO the case I've made...See, "THEY" DEMANDtrue lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.
Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.
SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.
And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.
P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?
Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
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