SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!

Ciggy wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:a one world language existed back then too,which was handy for the stone-age ethernet,that was an arrangement of pyramids around the world.Come on,you're a Civilization fan,ever played Call To Power 2???It's the best of the lot.

Sodlike Forum is now Cutting Edge,we're ahead of DIF mate,in theories,exploration,and dealing with each other...it's the best.You can discuss things here,why destroy it,take the reigns from DIF...lead.But I do wish for an alien to surprise you,just so I can get you onboard with that one,no anal probes,just a short sharp shock would do,any cloaked Zetis in Minneapolis up for cheap tricks and thrills...
Thelyran is on the astral...even a hologramme that could convince Ciggy,will suffice.

Thankyou cloaked local aliens...

You'll love what's in store soon: DISCLOSURE. It'll be special effects in action, though. Just don't say I didn't warn you.

• Boat arrival pushes total past 1300 Courier Mail, 3 days ago
  
• Second boat arrival in a week Herald Sun, 1 Oct 2011
  
• Asylum boat hides extra 50 people Herald Sun, 24 Sep 2011
  
• Four kids among 175 new arrivals The Australian, 24 Sep 2011
  
• Two more asylum boats arrive Herald Sun, 23 Sep 2011
  

true lilly wrote:[url=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/two-more-boats-carrying-asylum-seekers-arrive-near-christmas-island/story-e6frf7jo-1226174272905]Two more boats arrive at Christmas Island[/url]

12:41PM
Jessica Craven
TWO boats carrying 128 asylum seekers
have been detected in Australian waters,
north and east of Christmas Island.

And still our Collins Class Submarine could'nt shoot fish in a barrell...Billy Says,go home,my home,enough nutters like True Lilly live here.. .Oh,well I'll be dipped in dogshit,the oceans have cleared and the reffo boats have gone back home...Your reputation really does proceed you...True Lilly

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:a one world language existed back then too,which was handy for the stone-age ethernet,that was an arrangement of pyramids around the world.Come on,you're a Civilization fan,ever played Call To Power 2???It's the best of the lot.

Sodlike Forum is now Cutting Edge,we're ahead of DIF mate,in theories,exploration,and dealing with each other...it's the best.You can discuss things here,why destroy it,take the reigns from DIF...lead.But I do wish for an alien to surprise you,just so I can get you onboard with that one,no anal probes,just a short sharp shock would do,any cloaked Zetis in Minneapolis up for cheap tricks and thrills...
Thelyran is on the astral...even a hologramme that could convince Ciggy,will suffice.

Thankyou cloaked local aliens...

Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:a one world language existed back then too,which was handy for the stone-age ethernet,that was an arrangement of pyramids around the world.Come on,you're a Civilization fan,ever played Call To Power 2???It's the best of the lot.

Sodlike Forum is now Cutting Edge,we're ahead of DIF mate,in theories,exploration,and dealing with each other...it's the best.You can discuss things here,why destroy it,take the reigns from DIF...lead.But I do wish for an alien to surprise you,just so I can get you onboard with that one,no anal probes,just a short sharp shock would do,any cloaked Zetis in Minneapolis up for cheap tricks and thrills...
Thelyran is on the astral...even a hologramme that could convince Ciggy,will suffice.

Thankyou cloaked local aliens...

Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:

true lilly wrote:Two more boats arrive at Christmas Island

12:41PM
Jessica Craven
TWO boats carrying 128 asylum seekers
have been detected in Australian waters,
north and east of Christmas Island.

A boat arrives at Christmas Island last year.

October 23, 2011
12:41PM

TWO boats carrying 128 asylum seekers have been detected in Australian waters.

One boat was detected by a RAAF surveillance plane north of Christmas Island,
with initial indications suggesting there are 79 passengers and two crew members
on board. Another boat carrying 44 passengers and three crew members was detected
east of Christmas Island early this morning.

It is the fourth boat to arrive since the government conceded it could not get
its legislation aimed at reviving the Malaysia deal through the parliament.

Border Protection Command will now make arrangements
for the passengers to be transferred to Christmas Island,
where they will undergo initial checks and their reasons for travel
will be established.

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• Asylum boat hides extra 50 people Herald Sun, 24 Sep 2011
  
• Four kids among 175 new arrivals The Australian, 24 Sep 2011
  
• Two more asylum boats arrive Herald Sun, 23 Sep 2011
  

Oh, so [BANANA]"Republicans" are going to have another go at
pushing their way in and to the head of the line, by using the,
100 Year Anniversary of The ANZACS of THE BRITISH EMPIRE,
to ATTACK The British Empire that Australia has so prospered,
by serving?

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true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:Two more boats arrive at Christmas Island


12:41PM
Jessica Craven
TWO boats carrying 128 asylum seekers
have been detected in Australian waters,
north and east of Christmas Island.

A boat arrives at Christmas Island last year.

October 23, 2011
12:41PM

TWO boats carrying 128 asylum seekers have been detected in Australian waters.

One boat was detected by a RAAF surveillance plane north of Christmas Island,
with initial indications suggesting there are 79 passengers and two crew members
on board. Another boat carrying 44 passengers and three crew members was detected
east of Christmas Island early this morning.

It is the fourth boat to arrive since the government conceded it could not get
its legislation aimed at reviving the Malaysia deal through the parliament.

Border Protection Command will now make arrangements
for the passengers to be transferred to Christmas Island,
where they will undergo initial checks and their reasons for travel
will be established.

Related Coverage

• Boat arrival pushes total past 1300 Courier Mail, 3 days ago
  
• Second boat arrival in a week Herald Sun, 1 Oct 2011
  
• Asylum boat hides extra 50 people Herald Sun, 24 Sep 2011
  
• Four kids among 175 new arrivals The Australian, 24 Sep 2011
  
• Two more asylum boats arrive Herald Sun, 23 Sep 2011
  

Adored Queen Elizabeth has Australia in a tizz
October 20, 2011
10:06AM

Stately ... Queen Elizabeth with
Governor-General Quentin Bryce
Pic: Alex Coppel
Source: The Daily Telegraph

Should Australia become a republic?
Yes 28.62% (350 votes)
No 71.38% (873 votes)
Total votes: 1223
October 20, 2011
10:06AM

Should there be a compulsory retirement age for monarchs?
Yes - there should be enough in super by 65

6.96% (84 votes)
Yes - over 80 and you're past it

6.3% (76 votes)
Yes - whenever they feel like putting their feet up

26.01% (314 votes)
No - 'til death do we part

60.73% (733 votes)
Total votes: 1207
October 20, 2011
10:06AM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/adored-queen-elizabeth-has-australia-in-a-tizz/story-e6freooo-1226171008897

Queen's coded blessing
to an Aussie republic?
by REBECCA ENGLISH
and RICHARD SHEARS, Daily Mail
Last updated at 08:52 15 March 2006

The Queen in Australia

The Queen has signalled for the first time that she accepts
Australia may one day become a republic. In a speech witnessed by
leading politicians in Canberra, she praised the country's
economic, social and political stability and admitted that it was
now time to 'reflect on wider horizons'.

Although subtle, her words - and slightly regretful tone - left
onlookers in no doubt of the underlying message.

It was that Australia is now mature enough to break away from
British rule and, after 54 years as its head of state, she would
not stand in its way.

The speech, at a banquet in Parliament House at the start of
a week-long tour, was seized on by Prime Minister John Howard, who
stressed his admiration for the Queen but added that the monarchy
had little relevance to his people today.

In an interview with ITN news, he said: "It is very unlikely
that this country will become a republic while the present Queen is
on the throne." But asked whether he could see her son taking over
her mantle as Australian head of state, his scepticism was clear:
"That is a matter for the Australian people. I believe in democracy.
If the Australian people want to change the system they will."

Seasoned commentators expect the Queen's current tour - the 15th
of her reign - to be her last and believe that her death or
abdication would be a natural point at which to break the link.

Onlookers said her speech last night had the tone of a 'sad farewell'.
Dressed in a glittering white evening dress and her famous Queen Mary tiara,
she carefully prepared the ground for the prospect of a republic by highlighting
the way in which Australia had shed its image as just another excolony in a
rapidly-changing world.

She continued:
"It is perhaps difficult for many of you, under
the relentless pressure of daytoday demands,
to stand back and reflect on wider horizons.

"But I hope you will allow me,
with a certain sense of perspective as I approach my 80th birthday
and on my 15th visit here, to express my conviction that Australia
in the course of my lifetime has firmly established itself amongst
the most respected nations of the world.

"I thank you above all
for this opportunity to reaffirm my confidence
in the future of this great country."

A spokesman for the Australian Republic movement said:
"It's not too difficult to read between the lines of what she's saying."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379898/Queens-coded-blessing-Aussie-republic.html#ixzz1bZQ6FnPC

Long live the queen
David Marr
October 23, 2011

A historic vote for Australia's Future

The Queen arriving in Canberra on Wednesday. Photo: AFP

The republic once seemed inevitable in Australia,
but these days it barely rates a mention. David Marr explains why the
passion fizzled out.

SHE came down the steps so carefully: an old lady from
London who is our head of state. She's game and cheerful but her face
gives nothing away. This woman is an absolute professional in a game
that has only a dozen players in the world. What she thinks of us is a
mystery. Our feelings for her are a tangle of impatience and old
affection. She hasn't been here for a while, but we don't feel
neglected. If anything, absence has made us a little fonder of this bent
figure in a big blue hat.

Eighteen years ago, over a barbecue at Balmoral Castle,
Paul Keating told her there was a growing feeling that Australia should
have an Australian head of state. ''I said such a move was seen as
necessary to establish clearly Australia's identity as an independent
nation,'' he reported next day. ''Her Majesty authorised me to say that
she would, of course, act on the advice of her Australian ministers, as
she always has, and on any decision made by the Australian people.''


The Queen with Prince Philip meeting her loyal subjects. Photo: AFP

Keating has gone, but she is still here. Waiting to greet
her on the Canberra tarmac last week was her fifth Australian Labor
prime minister, every one of them has wanted to see her out of a job.
''I'm a republican,'' Julia Gillard declared in last year's election
campaign. ''So I would like to see us progress towards being a
republic.'' The policy of her party is to hold a plebiscite to decide if
we want to be a republic; another to decide the shape the republic
should take; and then a referendum to lock those changes into the
constitution.

The Queen shook Gillard's hand. Both were all smiles. The
campaign for the republic is not driven by personal animus. Indeed,
there is little passion driving it at all: ridicule and exasperation,
perhaps, but not contempt, particularly not for this 85-year-old
trouper. And if she did no more homework on the plane than read a few
newspapers, she would know this was a prime minister battling even to
rein in poker machines. She has little chance of abolishing a monarch.

It was such an Australian welcome: so many officials,
squads of press, schoolchildren mustered for the occasion and a Qantas
jet taking off on the next runway as the most famous woman in the world
stood to attention on a little dais listening for the millionth time to a
military band play her anthem. Most of its promises have come true: she
has lived a long time, hasn't lost a war since Suez, seems happy enough
and is still Queen of Australia. ''Long to reign over us …''


Paul Keating's infamous royal touch in 1992.

How can the incongruity of scenes like this not have
persuaded Australians long ago to cut their ties with the house of
Mountbatten-Windsor? Where is our pride, our sense of ourselves as an
independent nation? What has happened to the inevitable drift to a
republic? How can it seem further away, now, than it was when Keating
had chops at Balmoral?

''It's not inevitable,'' says Mike Keating, the retired
major-general who has been chairman of the Australian Republican
Movement since 2006. ''People say when the Queen dies it will happen.
But it's not inevitable. We are pretty resilient when things are done to
us. Take world wars: we responded well. Take natural disasters, fires
and floods: we respond well. Take the global financial crisis: we
respond well. But with the republic issue it's not a matter of
responding. We have to take the initiative. It's our issue. Unless we
summon the national will nothing will happen.''

The movement is way past its glory days. Big money flowed
through the republican movement during the referendum campaign in 1999.
The budget for that losing battle was $4 million. Well over $3 million
of that came from Malcolm Turnbull. The movement has, ever since, just
been staying alive.


Malcolm Turnbull, the poster boy and leading financial supporter of the once-robust republican movement, in 1999. Photo: Simon Schluter

Mike Keating reports: ''Our income is pretty modest. No
one gets paid. The only person who gets paid in the organisation is our
office girl, who works three days a week.''

Sympathisers around Australia have lately received - as
they do once or twice a year - a book of Australian Republican Movement
raffle tickets. The prizes this time include $1500 worth of Westfield
shopping vouchers, an exercise bike and a case of shiraz. The movement
has no state support, not even tax deductibility. So raffles and dinners
raise the cash required to counter the immense celebrity of one of the
richest - in theory - women in the world with one of the planet's most
professional teams of media managers determined to keep her in her job.

In July, some of the great faces who set up the
Australian Republican Movement back in the optimistic early 1990s
gathered to celebrate the 20th anniversary of their efforts. Death has
taken Geoffrey Dutton, Franco Belgiorno-Nettis and Harry Seidler. And
the survivors are not as young as they were: Neville Wran, Tom Keneally,
David Williamson, Malcolm Turnbull. It's a damned impressive list.

In those early days the task of dislodging the crown
seemed to have the solid backing of the Australian people: about two
thirds of us were telling pollsters we wanted a republic. It helped that
these were perhaps the silliest years of the great royal soap opera:
the marriage of Charles and Di was falling apart. Ditto the marriage of
Fergie and Andrew. Windsor Castle caught fire. The Queen declared 1992
her annus horribilis. The royal family seemed on the ropes.

But from the moment Paul Keating faced the Queen in 1993,
support for the republic faded. A Time-Morgan poll showed support for
the republic had dropped that year from 52 to 44 per cent, and support
for the monarchy had risen from 38 to 48 per cent. The executive
director of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy, Tony Abbott, was
crowing. Keating stared down Abbott's challenge to hold a referendum
there and then.

That the movement managed to keep the issue alive through
the fall of Keating and rise of John Howard was a political achievement
of no mean order. But the polling figures in the late 1990s didn't show
a nation busting to become a republic. Quite by chance - the sort of
chance that shapes history - the new prime minister was a rabid
monarchist who profoundly understood the caution of the country he was
leading.

He knew Australia had never passed a referendum that's
faced significant political opposition - the opposition he would lead.
He knew that if there had to be a republic, the overwhelming
wish of Australians was to elect their own president, an option
politicians of all stripes opposed. So Howard manoeuvred the 1998
constitutional convention to offer Australians a choice between the
monarchy and a president selected by Parliament. At this point there was
a bare majority for ditching the Queen, but the idea of this
''politicians' president'' was instantly unpopular.

Despite Turnbull's millions, the republican movement
didn't manage to win the argument at the ballot box. The movement still
lives in the shadow of the failure of 1999. ''Some of the catchy
political myths peddled in 1999 were very effective then, and for the
people who remember anything about 1999, it is the only thing they
remember,'' says Mike Keating.

''For example: the myth that if we are a republic we
can't be a member of the Commonwealth. Six or seven people out of 10
believe that. It's just factually incorrect. We have just had the
Commonwealth Games in the biggest republic in the world, India. More
than half the countries in the Commonwealth are republics. But six out
of seven don't believe that and they are worried because how else can we
win Commonwealth Games gold medals?''

The Queen was back in Australia only months after the result. The British press
was poised for ugly demonstrations. Of course, there were none. She was met with
the usual officials, schoolchildren and friendly mass indifference. Fleet Street
focused then - as it is focusing now - on the question of curtsying. In British eyes,
Australia's loyalty is to be measured by the deference of its women: the nod, the bow or what the Queen's couturier Hardie Amies used to call the ''full Sandringham''.

''There was one bright spot for traditionalists,''
wrote Christopher Zinn in The Guardian.
''Janette Howard, wife of the prime minister, an avowed republican,
curtsied to the Queen. It was a small but significant sign of how things
have changed at the top. The last time the Queen arrived in 1992,
Annita Keating, wife of the then prime minister, Paul Keating, refused
to curtsy in what some tried to make out was a calculated republican snub.''

Cherie Blair would refuse to bend the knee but that was in another country where
notions of colonial ''loyalty'' don't sell newspapers.

When the Queen returned for the Commonwealth Games in 2006,
British journalists thought they heard her acknowledging the monarchy in Australia
was in its dying days. ''Not in so many words, of course,'' reported Michael White
in The Guardian. ''But the monarchist Daily Mail and Telegraph, the only London papers
to cover the speech today, seem to have been squared by the royal spin patrol.
She invoked the 'certain sense of perspective' one gets as the 80th birthday
approaches - next month - and expressed admiration, affection and thanks for
'the opportunity to reaffirm my confidence in the future of this great country'.''
But Elizabeth Alexandra Mary was not making a fond farewell.
There was no sign whatever she was giving up on Australia.
Nor was there evidence Australia was giving up on her. Support for the
republic that year had dropped to 45 per cent. Labor had come to the
conclusion that the institution could not be touched in her lifetime.
So had Turnbull. But the dividends of waiting have never been clear.
Support for the idea of a post-Elizabeth republic stood then at only 52 per cent.

Chief spruiker for the Queen on that tour was the Minister for Health and Ageing.
In a piece penned for The Sydney Morning Herald,
Tony Abbott accused republicans of never taking ''no'' for an answer
and urged them - particularly republican journalists - to understand
that ''the heart has reasons reason cannot know''. Abbott ended his
love song by declaring that becoming a republic ''would be an act of
self-inflicted cultural vandalism''. He hasn't changed his mind. The
political reality in 2011 is that while Elizabeth stays on the throne
and Abbott remains in Parliament, the monarchy in Australia is secure.

Howard, meanwhile, was transforming the office of governor-general.
He had come to power encumbered by the decent and charismatic
Sir William (Bill) Deane. The former High Court judge was an
orator of considerable power. He was loved. He drew the spotlight.
By his tone rather than his words he stood apart from the ugly populist
politics of the government.

Howard began to take on more and more of the duties of
the ceremonial head of state. He farewelled fleets and welcomed home
troops. He tried - and failed - to open the Olympic Games. Deane's
successors found themselves in obscure parts of the world as television
showed the prime minister inspecting floods, fires and disasters. Peter
Hollingworth was in Egypt as Howard went to Bali after the bombings. And
neither the unfortunate archbishop nor his successor, Major-General
Michael Jeffery, were orators. Howard spoke for the nation.

As the governors-general faded, so did the urgency of
reform. As the office came to mean less and less to Australians, so did
the point of venturing a great deal of political capital to transform a
colonial relic into an Australian presidency. And the nation isn't
clamouring to demonstrate its independence and maturity by taking this
course. Polling shows support for the republic in the years since the
last royal tour bumping along in the 40 per cents. That's not much of a
mandate for change.

The link between Yarralumla and Buckingham Palace may be
absurd in the early 21st century but it gives to the office of
governor-general a little glamour in a world where celebrity counts for a
great deal. At least Quentin Bryce is allowed to show her face when the
Queen is in Australia. In the old days the governor-general had to
disappear so her majesty could seem to be taking over the reins. Now
every few years she sheds a little magic on her representative Down
Under. Clever thinking.

''We're never going to beat that celebrity factor,'' says
Mike Keating. ''They are interesting and people are interested.'' But
he doesn't see that as the end of the matter. ''We shouldn't mistake
interest for a commitment to constitutional monarchy.'' He chuckles a
lot. The absurdity of it all seems never far from his mind. ''Hopefully
for their sake we are going to have a baby in seven or eight months.''
At least these royal events give the ARM a platform: a marriage, a birth
and a tour mean interviews like these and a chance to spruik the
republican cause.

''None of this is consistent with what we say is our
Australian ethos. We say we are egalitarian, so where does this
aristocratic family come in? We say we value all religions equally, so
why does our head of state have to be Church of England? We say we value
men and women equally, so where do they get off favouring males? We say
we value people and admire people who advance by their own achievements
and our head of state just gets it by birthright.''

Then maybe, I venture, we aren't who we think we are. He ventures a quiet, ''Perhaps.''

At the anniversary dinner the other night, someone gave
the Australian Republican Movement $100,000. ''With that money we are
going to appoint a full-time director, using that money to try and
overcome all the issues I've just raised with you,'' says Keating. When?
''Very soon we hope.''

So here are the hurdles they have to overcome: a movement
without a charismatic politician at its head; a nation with no great
passion to become a republic; a constitution that is extraordinarily
difficult to change; and history showing few, if any, monarchies are
ever felled by a vote. It takes lost wars and spectacular bungling to
unseat a royal house. Anything is possible, of course, but no time soon.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/long-live-the-queen-20111022-1mdlh.html#ixzz1ba9RIVUL

true lilly wrote:
I post as and who I am;
independent, unaffiliated
and happy to discuss the
things 'they' desperately
tell the world, to reject,
without consideration.
true-lilly@hotmail.com

...and as folk figure out what this means:

...'they' will wish 'they' had have BANNED that,
instead...

Ciggy wrote:Shut the hell up about Australia.

true lilly wrote:Rare
Melbourne Cup trophy
and
Queen's Plate trophy
sell for six-figure sum
From:Herald Sun
October 26, 2011

The historic 1867 Melbourne Cup. Herald Sun

A HISTORIC Melbourne Cup trophy and Queen's Plate trophy won by the
same horse almost 150 years ago have sold at auction for a six-figure
sum.

The two trophies, held by the Royds family since racehorse Tim Whiffler's 1867 Cup win, were sold for $720,000 yesterday, a week before the 151st Melbourne Cup.

The auction was the first time the two trophies have been available publicly.

Sotheby's Australia chairman Geoffrey Smith said
they were invaluable items of Australian racing history.

"With the global prominence of the Melbourne Cup today, they are also of
international significance, and we are receiving interest from local and
overseas sources," Mr Smith said before the auction.

Kevin Gates of the Australian Racing Museum said the story of the cups was unique.

"For a horse to win both races and bring both cups to the same family, and
for that family to still hold them 144 years later, is quite
remarkable," Mr Gates said.
Related Coverage
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Camel abattoir hits a Middle East hump Herald Sun, 4 Oct 2011

true lilly wrote:

Former Miss Universe Australia Rachael Finch
has gone from catwalk to Cup carnival,
ready to take on a role as a roving reporter
inside the Birdcage at the Melbourne Cup.

Picture: Peter Brew-Bevan
Read More
Rare
Melbourne Cup trophy
and
Queen's Plate trophy
sell for six-figure sum
From:Herald Sun
October 26, 2011

The historic 1867 Melbourne Cup. Herald Sun

A HISTORIC Melbourne Cup trophy and Queen's Plate trophy won by the
same horse almost 150 years ago have sold at auction for a six-figure
sum.

The two trophies, held by the Royds family since racehorse Tim Whiffler's 1867 Cup win, were sold for $720,000 yesterday, a week before the 151st Melbourne Cup.

The auction was the first time the two trophies have been available publicly.

Sotheby's Australia chairman Geoffrey Smith said
they were invaluable items of Australian racing history.

"With the global prominence of the Melbourne Cup today, they are also of
international significance, and we are receiving interest from local and
overseas sources," Mr Smith said before the auction.

Kevin Gates of the Australian Racing Museum said the story of the cups was unique.

"For a horse to win both races and bring both cups to the same family, and
for that family to still hold them 144 years later, is quite
remarkable," Mr Gates said.
Related Coverage
Whiff of mystery in tale of two cups The Australian, 10 hours ago
The rich are getting richer... and guess what? Herald Sun, 10 days ago
Whiffler of Cup history for auction Herald Sun, 11 Oct 2011
Swan's family feud over pokies Adelaide Now, 4 Oct 2011
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tintn wrote:
#31891


Ballack, Clooney, Chelsea and Iran. XI



Siesta Key

SIESTA KEY BEACH in SARASOTA county.
A few days ago I posted about SARASOTA.
The KEY link to RICHARD STAR-KEY and to JOHN KEY.
The LEGO link to DENMARK and the MERMAID.



Monica: Sarasota

MONICA SELES resides in SARASOTA.
Was part of a big post link to STEFI GRAF
and ANDRE AGASSI and hence IRAN.
STEFFI GRAF was the STEIFF link to MERKEL, SARKOZY
and the TEDDY BEAR. (All linked to IRAN)



Sylvia Kristel



Kristel: Iran



Iran Flight 655

TIPPI HEDREN and the SANHEDRIN.
She was born on the same date as DOLLY PARTON.



Iran Flight 655



Coffins + Fee

FLIGHT 655 means 290 COFFINS and 655 in numbers = FEE.
That's COFFEE....BLACK COFFEE...

Notice also the nr 45 on the pic.
The code of DENMARK



Kicker: Ballack

German's leading football magazine is KICKER.
It was first published on 14 JULY 1920, the day BALLACK married.



Kikker

Frog is KIKKER in Dutch.
It was a KIKKER called KERMIT in control of OPERATION AJAX.....

true lilly wrote:

dixie dean wrote:
#31874
31 which is the Country Code for Neverlands
and then you have the number 13.

Never Lands...
This article is about the country within the
Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Netherlands
Nederland

dixie dean wrote:
#31874
I would also link Christian to Poison. Also Tin-Tin Kyrano is linked to
Puppets, so, someone else is pulling her strings.And notice that Tintin
is a man and Tintin Kyrano is a woman, so is Cori passing herself off
as a Woman when she is a man or are they one of the same?I don't know
who is pulling my strings the same as anyone else, you can only have
faith that you have some good on the other end.

Maybe God needs to get rid of those bad puppeteers, pup's as in Dog's,
or will those puppeteers and who ever they are connected to see the
Light of Day.

Diggers treading a trigger wire
by:Brendan Nicholson
From:The Australian
August 26, 2010
12:00AM
5 comments


Australian and Afghan National Army soldiers frequently go on patrols together.
Picture: Gary Ramage
Source: The Australian

AUSTRALIAN Diggers in Afghanistan are appalled and angered when they
hear their main role in Afghanistan dismissed as just "training the
Afghan army".

The dangers faced daily by the instructors out mentoring the Afghan
National Army were brutally highlighted yesterday when it emerged that
28-year-old Jared MacKinney had been killed in an intense three-hour
battle with Taliban insurgents during a joint patrol with Afghan troops
in the Deh Rawud green zone, west of the Australian base at Tarin Kowt.

He was the fourth Australian killed in Afghanistan in less than a
fortnight. But, more significantly, he was the eighth member of an
Australian training and mentoring team killed in action since they
Australian Defence Force began helping to train the Afghan army.

For those troops the war has become even more dangerous in recent months
as the Dutch troops who had the primary coalition role in Oruzgan pulled
out in August, to be replaced by a largely American force.

The Dutch withdrawal coincided with the Americans' make-or-break
surge against the Taliban, with a big troop build-up designed to clear
the insurgents out of the huge areas they control.

Raspal Khosa, an Afghan specialist from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute,
says the increased fighting is a consequence of US President Barack
Obama's revised "force uplift" strategy being put into effect by General David Petraeus.

Strong coalition contingents were sent into Kandahar and Helmand provinces in
particular, and Australians have takenpart in some fighting there.

The US strategy calls for the capture of what the generals call "key
terrain districts" and some of those lie in Oruzgan province,
Australia's main operational area.
These areas, 121 of them, have been picked because control there gives a marked advantage to whichever side has them.

They contain a population as well as economic and transport corridors. One
of these is Deh Rawud where this week's bitter fighting took place.

"The Taliban is obviously counterattacking to challenge this strategy,"
Khosa says. The insurgents have changed tactics and dramatically
increased the numbers of improvised bombs, which are responsible for the
largest number of military and civilian casualties in Afghanistan.

The Taliban aim is to influence what Khosa calls "the external centre of
gravity": public opinion in the West and the coalition's political will
to continue the fight.
The continuing deaths and the apparent lack of progress do have an effect.
Newspoll has marked dwindling public support for the war in Afghanistan after
many years of conflict and mounting casualties.

The proportion of Australians supporting the commitment of troops has
dropped since the aftermath of the September 11, 2001, terrorist
attacks, when two-thirds supported sending troops; in March last year,
nearly two-thirds were opposed.

The war has not been an election issue because it has the support of the main parties,
and Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott both favour Australia's continued involvement in the
war effort.
The Coalition was fairly gung-ho on the war for a time and pushed for Australia
to take over the lead role in Oruzgan when the Dutch pulled out. But since
the latest wave of casualties began -- and following briefings from ADF chief
Angus Houston -- Abbott has softened the rhetoric and adopted the view that
the size of the commitment is "about right".

The Dutch withdrawal has left a specific vacuum not easily filled by the Americans,
with their more aggressive operational style.
Debate about the Dutch departure concentrated largely on who would replace
the logistics they brought to Oruzgan: the command structure, medical facilities,
helicopters and fast jets that provide air support, and the long-range artillery that
can hit Taliban targets in the mountains around the joint coalition base at Tarin Kowt.
But the issue is more complex.

The Dutch proved adept at building relationships with the tribal people
scattered through Oruzgan's mountain valleys and Australia's troops have
benefited from that rapport.

For a long time Australians working with forces from The Netherlands
were inclined to complain about their lack of aggression and to suggest
that "Dutch" stood for "Don't Understand The Concept Here"
when it came to counter-insurgency warfare, or even that
Dutch troops were more inclined to hand out flowers than bullets.

But the Dutch have, as far as it can be done,
built up a deep relationship with the locals
that has helped them navigate the
treacherous complexities of tribal rivalries.

After years of stalemate and a growing alarm that the NATO-led forces could lose
in Afghanistan, the thinking of top American commanders has swung to a position
much more closely aligned with that of the Dutch and a general realisation that
they can't kill their way to victory.

Australia has two main roles in Afghanistan. Its special forces contingent is one
of the most active in Afghanistan, hitting insurgent targets far from the coalition base
at Tarin Kowt and spending weeks at a time far "outside the wire".

Their operations are cloaked in secrecy and generally only become public
when something goes horribly wrong.

That happened in June, when three of Australia's most experienced special forces
soldiers were killed and seven wounded in a helicopter crash high in the mountains
where they headed out in pitch darkness on a raid against the Taliban.

The losses were the worst suffered by the Australian Army on operations since Vietnam,
and came just a fortnight after two Australian Army engineers, sappers Darren Smith
and Jacob Moerland, were killed by a roadside bomb.

To illustrate the intensity of the secret special forces operations, those soldiers were
veterans on their third tour of duty in Afghanistan and were involved a week before in
a successful attack on a Taliban stronghold that senior officers said tore the heart out of
a major insurgent group. The Australians were among 15 coalition troops aboard
the NATO helicopter.

The pilot, an American, was also killed and another crew member badly hurt when
the aircraft crashed at 3.39am Afghanistan time. Houston,
himself a decorated helicopter pilot, says flying conditions at the
time were extremely difficult, with a combination of very rugged
terrain, high altitude, high temperatures and heavily laden aircraft.

In Afghanistan, the Australian mentors operate often from rudimentary
stone forts called forward operating bases and patrol bases built in valleys that lie
in what was the Taliban heartland in Oruzgan.

Small groups of heavily armed Australians live, train and fight with the
Afghan troops they mentor, undertaking frequent joint patrols to keep
any insurgents in the area on the move, to uncover weapons caches and to
try to reassure the locals that they can confidently turn away the Taliban.

Coalition commanders say the Afghan troops are brave and loyal
but lack the discipline of Western armies. They are not big on planning
and are inclined to rush forward to join in any contact and to blaze away
over one another's heads.

Operations in areas such as Deh Rawud and the Baluchi
Valley, green ribbons of fertile ground winding through the jagged brown
mountains of southern Afghanistan, are
dangerous and the Australian troops are exposed.

These valleys have long been used as infiltration routes by Taliban insurgents moving
from the highlands down to Tarin Kowt, and the troops are there to block them.

In winter the area is bitterly cold and the mountains white with snow. In
the summer -- fighting season -- it is rocky, dusty and hot.

Special forces, Special Air Service troops and commandos carry out lengthy patrols
farther afield, hunting down insurgent leaders and bomb-making factories.

The Diggers also act on intelligence gathered from local villagers, special forces patrols
and manned and unmanned aircraft to track down insurgents moving through the valley
who might place the lethal bombs known as improvised explosive devices or set up ambushes.

Hugh White, a former deputy secretary in the Defence Department who is now a professor
at the Australian National University, has consistently questioned Australia's military
involvement.
White says it's important to note that we don't actually know why Australia is losing more men.
He says one possibility may be simply bad luck, as in the helicopter crash.
"Another possibility is that the Taliban are stepping up their operations," White says.

He makes the point that we know very little about what's happening on the
ground in Afghanistan because the ADF releases very little information.

"The Taliban seem to be pushing the Australians harder," he says. "Maybe
they think that with the Dutch gone, if they push harder we may be more
willing to go, too.
"A third possibility is that the Australians are taking on more risky operations.

"I think there is an element of that, too. We are taking on a more active mentoring role
with the Afghan National Army. Our guys are going out more with the ANA on joint patrols
in contested country, which is inherently risky.
"With the best will in the world, it's not as safe operating out there with the ANA as
it would be with [fellow Australians]."

White suggests the high number of casualties recently are the consequence of a
combination of bad luck and the increased tempo of operations by both sides.

"At least one of those three factors is under our control and it does seem [important]
to ask whether the extra costs in lives [apparently] being imposed on us by this more
active campaigning strategy is justified by the results we're getting.

"If you believe what the government and opposition are saying, that we're in
Afghanistan to secure a stable future for Afghanistan and reduce the
threat of terrorism, then you might reach one conclusion about how
worthwhile these operations are and whether they are worth the cost.

"But I don't believe anyone in government really thinks that. I think it is
universally accepted in government that we're not going to succeed in
Afghanistan. That we're just hanging on until the Americans go.

"And if that's right then hanging on until the Americans go should be done
at the lowest possible risk to Australian lives, in which case there's
an argument that we should stop doing the more risky operations.

"A lot of people would say that was defeatist, but if we're not seriously
expecting to get a result. -- if we're not seriously expecting that . . .
when we start pulling out [in a few years] the situation will have
improved much -- we've got to be very careful about whether it's worth
our while undertaking more risky operations that are costing us lives
and not changing the strategic outcome."

It all boils down to a simple question, White says: "Are we really serious about getting
a result, or are we going through the motions to hold up our end as a good ally?
"I think it's that latter, and if that's the case then we should be doing everything we can
to make sure that we are going through the motions at the cheapest possible price in lives."
White remains deeply sceptical about the whole strategy.

"The idea that you somehow fundamentally change the Afghan political landscape with
a couple of hundred soldiers and a couple of hundred aid workers . . . Societies are much harder to shift than that.

"The more Australians die, the more seriously the people responsible --
and that is the ministers -- the more they have to interrogate their own
judgment about what we're trying to do and whether it's worth it, and
whether it's going to work.

"If it's not going to work, if three or five years from now we're going to
leave Afghanistan pretty much as it is today -- and I'll bet my boots we will --
then we'll want to ask
ourselves why there are 21 dead Australians.

"In this situation people focus on those who have already died.

"And they often say we can't stop now because that would betray the people who've already died," White adds.

"What you've really got to focus on is
the people who haven't yet died but who will.

"There are people who are now walking around in uniform
who will die before we leave, and you've got to ask yourself
on what basis are we allowing that to happen."

Three Australian soldiers shot dead in Afghanistan
by:AAP
From:AAP
October 30, 2011
12:00AM

Watch
Deadly attack on Afghanistan foreign troop convoy.

At least four people are killed as a suicide bomber targets a convoy of foreign troops in Kabul (no reporter narration).

US soldiers gather by bodies of victims of a suicide car bomber in Kabul.
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A ROGUE Afghan soldier has opened fire and killed three Australian
army trainers and wounded six others in the volatile south of
Afghanistan, NATO and a local commander have confirmed.

An Afghan National Army (ANA) officer was also shot and wounded.
The Australian Defence Force (ADF) is yet to comment on the incident.
The shooting occurred during morning parade at 8.30am (3pm AEDT) at
Shah Wali Kot in Kandahar province, the ABC reported.

The alliance force says two Australian diggers were killed and the third
later died of his injuries after ''an individual wearing an Afghan
National Army uniform apparently turned his weapon on Afghan and
coalition forces''.

It said the shooter was also killed in the incident, but gave no further details.

General Abdul Hameed, commander of 205 Atal corps in the south, said an Afghan
soldier with three years' experience had carried out the shooting.

Related Coverage

• Afghan kills 3 Diggers, wounds 7: report Courier Mail, 1 hour ago
  
• Three Diggers dead in Afghan shooting spree Herald Sun, 1 hour ago
  
• Five Diggers wounded in Afghanistan Herald Sun, 1 Oct 2011
  
• Afghan soldier tried to shoot killer Herald Sun, 2 Jun 2011
  
• Renegade Afghan soldiers high on opium Perth Now, 1 Jun 2011
  

''At around 8.30 this morning (3pm AEDT), an ANA soldier named Darwish who
had been serving as an ANA soldier for the past three years opened fire on a group
of Australian military officers, killing three of them and injuring six others as well as
one ANA officer,'' said Hameed.

''The attacker was also gunned down by ISAF soldiers.''
It's not the first time an ANA soldier has killed an Australian soldier.

In May this year, 25-year-old Lance Corporal Andrew Gordon Jones was shot dead
by a rogue ANA soldier at the Patrol Base Marshal in the Chora Valley.

Fears of infiltration within the Afghan army ranks have risen as Western backers
fund and train a huge expansion of the fledgling national force ahead of the
withdrawal of all foreign combat forces scheduled for 2014.

The announcement came as a suicide car bomber in the capital Kabul struck a US-run
NATO bus travelling through the southwest of the city, killing at least 17 people, including 13 US soldiers.

The death of the three diggers overnight is the
single worst incident involving Australians since June last year when
three members of the Sydney-based 2nd Commando Regiment
died in a helicopter crash in Kandahar province.

A total of 32 Australian soldiers have now been killed
in a decade of involvement in Afghanistan.

DUTCH:
Don't Understand The Concept Here
De toekomst van het Internet (1996)
Brilliant visualisation empires decline
DUTCH: Don’t Understand The Concept Here


“Dutch is an acronym for:
Don’t Understand The Concept Here.
That’s the accurate reflection
of the Dutch approach to war.
They are like highscool kids on schoolcamp.” (..)
“The Taliban knows the difference between our uniforms.
And they will go out to find the Dutch,
because they know they will get result.
The Dutch run away or be reluctant to go out.
So they like fighting the Dutch.“

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First incident with an
Qantas Airbus A380 -
4 november 2010
( Dutch - Nederlands )
https://youtu.be/r045GRhMLT0

Qantas grounds all aircraft in drastic step | Radio Netherlands ...
www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/qantas-grounds-all-aircraft-drastic-step
9 hours ago –
Australian flag carrier Qantas has taken the drastic step
of grounding all its domestic and international aircraft
as part of an industrial dispute.

"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:42 pm
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud,
EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.

...so I find these two pieces of News, being on the same
Murdoch owned Front Page, interesting...so soon after
my warning posts,
of "tintin's" obsession with PLANE CRASHES...

Flight 523 from New York
had just landed safely in Guyana
when something suddenly went wrong.
Passengers shrieked as the plane sped up,
skidded off the runway and broke up
just short of a 60m ravine. Picture: AP
Read More


Tintin
Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson
give a sneak peek of their collaboration,
The Adventures of Tintin....

true lilly wrote:Qantas pilots 'not safe' to fly
Qantas pilots 'not safe' to fly

1:59AM
Stephen Drill, Neil Wilson
QANTAS has blamed tired and stressed pilots
for its decision to ground its aircraft
and leave 68,000 passengers in limbo.

Pictures: Chaos as Qantas grounds fleet
Poll: Has Qantas gone too far?
Crisis: Tourism industry on official red alert
New flights: Qantas passengers pay high price
Outrage: Passengers' travel plans ruined
Racing carnival: Celebrities in race for flights
Heroism: Brother to bring fallen soldier home
Tourism RED ALERT

true lilly wrote:http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060326208&postcount=31927