Re: SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!

Billy Ruben Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:04 pm

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 4494

=Pure Evil!!! cthulhu

Billy Ruben Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:09 pm

I want an answer true Lilly,why does Atlantabizgirl cover up for baby rapist???

Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
And Moderator

atlantabizgal, QUACKS LIKE THE QUACKS WHO
FUCK, TORTURE and COVER UP FOR OTHERS
WHO FUCK and TORTURE BABIES.

See, "THEY" ALL AVOID THE FACT, that,
LIKE CORI,
THAT CHILD RAPIST BOASTED OF HIS EVILS,
TO HIS FELLOW VIOLENT CRIMINALS,
that HE KNEW, PUNISH CHILD RAPISTS.

Which means only two things:
1- he believed he was "untouchable".
A valuable lesson for all such fools.

2- he didn't want to live with himself anymore.
He got the (temporary) relief he begged for.

That's a pretty big call dragging the new kid on the block,labelling Atlantabizgirl a baby rapist,now how did she earn your wrath today.Did she say something to an evil sockpuppet you have hidden at DIF,was there unwarranted spam,in the form of a valid question?
Please,enthrall me with your conclusion and reasons...

Billy Ruben wrote:atlantabizgal
Moderator

Look at those eyes,how could you say these things True Lilly,there will be tears spilled for this,mark my words...

True Lilly,you just can't say these things about anybody that takes your displeasure,which,as it turns out,is very easy to do.But just because you had a bad uncle who payed late night visits with bourbon smelling breath,does'nt mean you're a child abuse specialist nor counsellor,please refrain in future,making unfounded accusations,that is all for now.

Billy Ruben Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:17 pm

don't spose I'll get that bottle of Jack Daniels now...

Billy Ruben Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:54 pm

Ciggy wrote:She said she was diddled when young and I believe her. Different victims react differently, but apparently for her the catharsis is through spamming. It's odd, but it is what it is.

You should name this modern neurotic disorder,there might be a quid in it...science journals will hail you as maverick.Imagine displaying this shrivelled up middle aged woman,give her a keyboard,shout the words,"Babay Raper"...and furiously she taps away.Did well Ciggy,might make a name for yourself yet.

true lilly Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:26 pm

Two arrested over people smuggling in
Australian Federal Police raid
From:AAP
October 06, 2011
10:05AM

AUSTRALIAN Federal Police (AFP) say they have disrupted an
international people-smuggling ring with the arrest of two people in
Victoria.

A 36-year-old Thornbury man and a 34-year-old Templestowe man have been charged with people-smuggling offences.
The Thornbury man has also been charged with drug offences.
Both men are scheduled to appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court today.
It
is alleged they were key players of a people-smuggling syndicate
responsible for planning and facilitating the illegal arrival of several
people bound for Australia, the AFP said.
"These arrests are the
culmination of a 10-month investigation by the AFP's People Smuggling
Strike Team which yesterday resulted in the execution of 10 search
warrants across Victoria and NSW where numerous documents and computers
were seized."

AFP Manager Operations Crime Operations, Commander Jennifer Hurst
said police remained committed to working with Australian and overseas
partner agencies to combat all facets of people smuggling.
"Yesterday's
arrests are an example of the AFP's commitment to investigating and
prosecuting those involved in organising people smuggling ventures to
Australia, including facilitators based within Australia and offshore,"
she said.
"The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation working jointly with our law enforcement partners in Australia and overseas."
The
36-year-old man has been charged with one count of facilitating the
proposed entry into Australia of a group of at least five other
non-citizens, an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years'
jail, and with providing material support to another person to engage in
people-smuggling activities, for which the maximum penalty is 10 years'
jail.
He has also been charged with importing and possessing a
marketable quantity of a border-controlled drug, namely methamphetamine.
These offences carry a maximum penalty of 25 years' jail.
The 34-year-old man has been charged with one count of people smuggling.
The maximum penalty for this offence is 10 years' jail.
It is anticipated that further charges will be laid and other people charged in the future, the AFP says.

Billy Ruben Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:02 pm

true lilly wrote:Two arrested over people smuggling in
Australian Federal Police raid
From:AAP
October 06, 2011
10:05AM

AUSTRALIAN Federal Police (AFP) say they have disrupted an
international people-smuggling ring with the arrest of two people in
Victoria.

A 36-year-old Thornbury man and a 34-year-old Templestowe man have been charged with people-smuggling offences.
The Thornbury man has also been charged with drug offences.
Both men are scheduled to appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court today.
It
is alleged they were key players of a people-smuggling syndicate
responsible for planning and facilitating the illegal arrival of several
people bound for Australia, the AFP said.
"These arrests are the
culmination of a 10-month investigation by the AFP's People Smuggling
Strike Team which yesterday resulted in the execution of 10 search
warrants across Victoria and NSW where numerous documents and computers
were seized."

AFP Manager Operations Crime Operations, Commander Jennifer Hurst
said police remained committed to working with Australian and overseas
partner agencies to combat all facets of people smuggling.
"Yesterday's
arrests are an example of the AFP's commitment to investigating and
prosecuting those involved in organising people smuggling ventures to
Australia, including facilitators based within Australia and offshore,"
she said.
"The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation working jointly with our law enforcement partners in Australia and overseas."
The
36-year-old man has been charged with one count of facilitating the
proposed entry into Australia of a group of at least five other
non-citizens, an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years'
jail, and with providing material support to another person to engage in
people-smuggling activities, for which the maximum penalty is 10 years'
jail.
He has also been charged with importing and possessing a
marketable quantity of a border-controlled drug, namely methamphetamine.
These offences carry a maximum penalty of 25 years' jail.
The 34-year-old man has been charged with one count of people smuggling.
The maximum penalty for this offence is 10 years' jail.
It is anticipated that further charges will be laid and other people charged in the future, the AFP says.

As long as they're not bible bashing,fire and brimstoning,Old Testament tormenting slavic peoples,they can stay.Bugger back off while you're about it...

cthulhu

Billy Ruben Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:12 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:I want an answer true Lilly,why does Atlantabizgirl cover up for baby rapist???

Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
And Moderator

atlantabizgal, QUACKS LIKE THE QUACKS WHO
FUCK, TORTURE and COVER UP FOR OTHERS
WHO FUCK and TORTURE BABIES.

See, "THEY" ALL AVOID THE FACT, that,
LIKE CORI,
THAT CHILD RAPIST BOASTED OF HIS EVILS,
TO HIS FELLOW VIOLENT CRIMINALS,
that HE KNEW, PUNISH CHILD RAPISTS.

Which means only two things:
1- he believed he was "untouchable".
A valuable lesson for all such fools.

2- he didn't want to live with himself anymore.
He got the (temporary) relief he begged for.

That's a pretty big call dragging the new kid on the block,labelling Atlantabizgirl a baby rapist,now how did she earn your wrath today.Did she say something to an evil sockpuppet you have hidden at DIF,was there unwarranted spam,in the form of a valid question?
Please,enthrall me with your conclusion and reasons...

Billy Ruben wrote:atlantabizgal
Moderator

Look at those eyes,how could you say these things True Lilly,there will be tears spilled for this,mark my words...

True Lilly,you just can't say these things about anybody that takes your displeasure,which,as it turns out,is very easy to do.But just because you had a bad uncle who payed late night visits with bourbon smelling breath,does'nt mean you're a child abuse specialist nor counsellor,please refrain in future,making unfounded accusations,that is all for now.

There is one thing to consider though True Lilly,everyone you picked on is either English,Dutch or Aussie.Ciggy,don't count,he's demon,but you're picking on an American Woman now,slandering her name,accusing her of heinous atrocities,
complicity in the rape and cover-up of minors.Madam,they use the court system,over there,to resolve differences and you sounding like this,in the below video,you maybe actually be ghetto ratting in a government house,unlike what I really believe,you're head mole of a Nazi Biker Death Squad,You may,under scutiny of the courts,be deemed,a type of insanity and end up institutionalised for your very own good...and everybody elses.

wacky

]

true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:57 am

6 October 2011
Last updated at 02:18 GMT
Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia

By Stephanie Hegarty
BBC World Service
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 _55838918_wurdi_youang624x287

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 _55838918_wurdi_youang624x287

Continue reading the main story

An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia
could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that
ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.

Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders,
the site of Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European
settlers two centuries ago,
and charted by archaeologists in 1977,
but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.

It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people -
the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the
rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and
practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century.

Now a team of archaeologists, astronomers and Aboriginal advisers
is reclaiming that knowledge.

They have discovered that waist-high boulders at the tip of
the egg-shaped point along the ring to the position on the horizon
where the sun sets at the summer and winter solstice - the longest
and shortest day of the year.

“Start Quote
<blockquote>It is interesting to know how far back people were doing astronomy,
if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge”
</blockquote> Prof Ray Norris
Astrophysicist

The axis from top to bottom points towards the equinox -
when the length of day equals night.

At Stonehenge, the sun aligns instead with gaps in the stones
on these key dates in the solar calendar.

The probability that layout of Wurdi Youang is a coincidence
is miniscule, argues Ray Norris, a British astrophysicist at Australia's
national science agency, who is leading the investigation.

Prof Norris and his Aboriginal partners used Nasa technology
to measure the position of each rock in relation to the sun, and
to demonstrate the connection with the solstices and equinox.

"It's truly special because
a lot of people don't take account of Aboriginal science,"
says Reg Abrahams, an Aboriginal adviser working with Prof Norris.

Giant emu
As happened with Stonehenge, the discovery could change the
way people view early societies. It is only recently that it has been
demonstrated that Aboriginal societies could count beyond five or six.

"This is the first time we have been able to show that,
as well as being interested in the position of the sun,
they were making astronomical measurements," says Prof Norris,
who is also a faculty member at the School of Indigenous Studies
at Macquarie University in Sydney.

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 _55749608_emuinthesky

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 _55749608_emuinthesky

This photo of the emu in the sky by an aboriginal rock carving
was sent to every school in Australia

Other studies by Prof Norris, of Aboriginal songs and stories,
have also indicated a clear understanding of the movements of the sun,
moon and stars.

Indigenous customs vary among groups across Australia, but
one story that appears in many local traditions is
the tale of a great emu that sits in the sky.

The emu, which can be seen in the southern hemisphere during
April and May, is a shape made by the dark patches of the Milky Way.

Its appearance coincides with laying season of the wild emu
and for the storytellers it is a sign to start collecting eggs.

Prompted by historian Hugh Cairns, Prof Norris examined and
photographed an emu-shaped rock carving in Kuring-Gai Chase National
Park, near Sydney, which cleverly mirrors the celestial animal-like shape.
During the southern autumn, the constellation
is positioned above the rock
with the bird shape almost perfectly reflected
by the engraving.

Intellectual leap
Other stories show more complex,
intellectual understanding of the universe.

In the case of the solar eclipse, the Walpiri people in the Northern Territory
tell the story of a sun-woman who pursues a moon-man.
When she catches him the two become husband and wife
together causing a solar eclipse.

The idea that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon moving
in front of the sun is something only widely accepted by western
scientists in the 16th Century.

"This is not about balls of flames going out,
it's about one body moving in front of the other,"
says Prof Norris. "That is a giant intellectual leap."

Since solar eclipses are rare, the survival of this story,
passed down through generations,
also shows a remarkable continuity of learning.

These discoveries play a crucial role in helping
Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians
understand just how intellectually
advanced their ancient society was.

"This discovery has huge significance for understanding the
amazing ability of this culture that is maligned," says Janet Mooney,
head of Indigenous Australian Studies at Sydney University.

"It makes not only me, as an Aboriginal person,
but a lot of Aboriginal people around Australia very proud."

She hopes to be able to tell her students of
an aboriginal site more ancient than Stonehenge.

Continue reading the main story Aboriginal cultures

Australia's indigenous Aboriginal population make up 470,000 of the country's 21 million population
There are more than 400 separate Aboriginal traditions in Australia but they share many beliefs
All aboriginal cultures believe in the Dreaming, an expression
for man's relationship to the spiritual natural and moral elements of
the world
A Dreaming is a story owned by a particular tribe that tells the story of creation

Until it is dated however, Wurdi Youang could be anywhere from 200 to 20,000 years old.

Aboriginal stone structures in the region have a vast age
range and are very difficult to date. Many of the smaller rock sites
that have been found, such as shelters and cooking areas, have been
moved over time by natural and human forces.

But given the size of the stones at Wurdi Youang and how
deeply they are entrenched in the ground it is more likely they have
been there for thousands of years, archaeologists say.

Dating requires archaeologists to test the soil under the
rocks to see when it was last exposed to sunlight and the team hope to
be able to do this in the next few months.

But Prof Norris believes he has already proven the real value of the stone circle.

"It is interesting to know how far back people were doing
astronomy, if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge," he
says.

"But it is not quite as interesting to my mind as whether the
Aboriginal people were doing real astronomy before British contact.
That really tells us a lot about what kind of culture it is."

Reach for the Stars - Aboriginal Astronomy was produced by Robert Cockburn and broadcast by Discovery for BBC World Service. Listen the radio documentary here
___________________________________________________
Good readers, this was my playground, growing up. It caused me to ask these questions,
about this glorious, truly ancient land's, truly ancient history, even as a child, yet despite
always getting the 'accepted', stock fob off's, 'something' always told me that's what they were. Simple answers given to a child, as if being a child made one simple. And so I kept, looking, asking, thinking about answers given, and why they were given, when obviously,
so many of those 'accepted' answers, contradicted other 'accepted' answers. Until now at a mature age, having enjoyed an 'interesting' life, moving around a lot of this country, amongst many cultural and social groups, from farming to politics, and much in between
and on the fringes, I found that when removing the contradictions, what we are left with,
is, what God described, from the beginning.

true lilly wrote:Another Sign to LOCATE Lands
Described in Holy Scripture...

NO ONE can simply walk up to
"quails" or "pheasants"
and collect more than they can eat,
but in ONE AREA on Earth they CAN, STILL,
gather the most tasty of birds...

Mutton Birds

Aboriginal people still harvest the mutton
birds. Our catch and sales are dependent
on the sustainability of the harvest. Mutton
birds are a delicacy to eat, with a rich oily
flavour unlike any other.

The short-tailed shearwater of Griffiths Island
(Puffinus tenuirostiris - Tasmanian Shearwater)
is commonly called the 'mutton bird'.

Given the name 'mutton bird'
by early settlers of Port Fairy
of its fatty flesh, the shearwater
was hunted as a food and oil source.

Today the shearwater
is totally protected in Victoria.

The journey, of about 15,000 km, passes
New Zealand and Japan
and is completed in only two months.

The return journey follows the coast of
North America to California,
then south-west across the Pacific.
Prevailing winds aid their flight for most of the journey
but on the final leg, from the central Pacific,
the birds battle across south-east winds.

They return to their nesting grounds exhausted...
http://www.port-fairy.com/shearwaters.htm

Ferley Gardner,
Tasmanian Aboriginal Elder...
...One of the highlights of her childhood was
when her family would pack up everything each year
and travel to Big Dog Island or Babel Island
for the mutton bird season.

...COLLECTING BIRDS ON BABEL ISLAND ...
http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Tr...s/s1045602.htm

And all anyone has to do to see it, is get over that patently absurd,
insanely too short, only recently agreed on, "out of Egypt" lie.

Like I've mentioned, if I post it, it's worth paying attention to, and,
like I've mentioned, when I started this thread, there were not, nearly
5000 "BEAR" stories in the news...
BEAR in news again. TIN TIN R U There??

Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

No wonder "tintin's" run away, and readers are leaving in droves.
When you Google:
tintin australia the biggest secret david icke,
THIS IS THE FIRST OFFERING -

The NEWS behind the NEWS. - Page 43 - David Icke's Official Forumsforum.davidicke.com › Main Forums › Today's News
10 posts - 3 authors - Last post: 28 Oct 2007
That is the UNOFFICIAL national song of Australia.
Frank baum ... AUSTRALIA is the BIG SECRET. tintin is offline ...
Find More Posts by tintin ...

THIS IS THE SECOND -

BEAR in news again. TIN TIN R U There?? - David Icke's Official Forumswww.davidicke.com › ... › Main Forums › Today's News
9 posts - 4 authors - Last post: 19 Mar 2008
NEMO is located in AUSTRALIA. The TINTIN album about the MAGPIE is ...

NOT 'David Icke's' GREAT DECEPTION.

true lilly wrote:Grizzly Killed After
DNA Links to 2nd Mauling
279 related articles

Bear chases dog into Pennsylvania home, attacks couple
CNN - 332 related articles

Market Nears Bear Territory
Wall Street Journal - 4132 related articles

4132
332
279
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4743

And the telling thing is, that "tintin" MAULED HIMSELF,
when HE SET OUT TO LIE & DECEIVE, and CAME TO,
MY HOME FOR 3 WEEKS, to personally look for a way
TO MAUL ME, BECAUSE HE KNEW I DIDN'T LIE,
ABOUT GOD'S WORD REVEALING THE SAVING TRUTH.

Ciggy Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:02 am

Shut the hell up about Australia.

true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:38 am

'Ciggy' SCREAMS!!! 'Billy' SCREAMS!!! 'They' ALL SCREAM!!!
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 What-has-been-seen-bear

LIES!

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SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 Poster

...And...KEEPS SENDING PEOPLE BROKE with
HIS FINANCIAL/REAL Estate 'advice'...
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 Economics03

...but I don't play at being an economist...
I simply study God's Word, and...NO SURPRISE,
WHAT GOD SAYS, HAPPENS Very Happy

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Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

Ciggy Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:49 am

Worthless spammer.

true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:14 am

Australian citizen on boat charge
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 195890-asylum-seekers

Aleks Devic, Carly Crawford
AT least one of the alleged key players
in a people-smuggling ring
was made an Australian
after slipping into the country illegally.
Australian citizen on boat charge
by:Aleks Devic, Carly Crawford
From:Herald Sun
October 07, 2011
12:00AM
From: HeraldSun
Fri Oct 07 00:00:00 EST 2011

AT least one of the alleged key players
in a global people-smuggling operation
was made an Aussie
after slipping into the country illegally
a decade ago.
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 670501-lamis-alli-baighi

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 670501-lamis-alli-baighi

Lamis Alli Baighi, 34, of Templestowe,
was charged with one count of people smuggling.
Herald Sun

AT least one of the alleged key players in a global people-smuggling
operation was made an Aussie after slipping into the country illegally a
decade ago.

The Herald Sun can reveal former
Iraqi man Ali Haidari, 36, of Thornbury,
arrived in Australia on an unauthorised vessel in 2002.

Mr Haidari, who has no family ties in Australia and never landed a career
job, settled in Melbourne and won Australian citizenship in 2007.

He was one of two people police will allege to be the masterminds of a
global smuggling racket spanning Iraq, Iran and Indonesia.

The alleged smuggling ring was exposed as part of Operation Rasbora, which
has been operating for 10 months and which police say will continue with
more charges to be laid.

Australian Federal Police yesterday said the alleged scheme
came undone after undercover operatives allegedly
struck a deal with Mr Haidari to bring over
a fictitious family of six from Afghanistan.

Police allege the ring charged between $4500-$10,000 for asylum
seekers to come to Australia with "significant danger" given the state
of the boats.

Mr Haidari was charged with facilitating the entry into Australia
for the six people last month.

Charge sheets tendered in Melbourne Magistrates' Court
also state that between September 14 and October 5
he provided material support to aid people smuggling.

Mr Haidari, represented by Bernie Balmer also faces
two drug-related charges.

Police allege he imported methamphetamines
valued at $750,000.

Lamis Alli Baighi, 34, of Templestowe,
was charged with one count of people smuggling.

Supt Stephan Obers said outside court that
Indonesian police had helped the operation.

"We're saying (to the court) that they are
key facilitators in the syndicate, they're key planners," Supt Obers said.

Ten search warrants were executed
across Victoria and NSW yesterday with police
seizing documents and computers.

Mr Alli Baighi was released on bail while
Mr Haidari made no application and was remanded in custody.

The pair will next appear in court on February 2.
[email=devica@heraldsun.com.au ]devica@heraldsun.com.au [/email]

true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:45 am

This is in the News today, BBC News, but it's over a month, over 40 years, over 200 years,
and much, much older 'news', that like so much more truly ancient Australian History, 'they',
at
David Icke Official Forums, like the rest of The CONspiracy industry,
dare not, post, let alone, honestly discuss. Because, it is only one of
countless real world proofs, that when God described, ALL the world, ALL
the earth, All peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING, that is what He meant.

6 October 2011
Last updated at 02:18 GMT
Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia

By Stephanie Hegarty
BBC World Service
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 _55838918_wurdi_youang624x287

Continue reading the main story

An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia
could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that
ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.

Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders,
the site of Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European
settlers two centuries ago,
and charted by archaeologists in 1977,
but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.

It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people -
the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the
rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and
practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century.

Now a team of archaeologists, astronomers and Aboriginal advisers
is reclaiming that knowledge.

They have discovered that waist-high boulders at the tip of
the egg-shaped point along the ring to the position on the horizon
where the sun sets at the summer and winter solstice - the longest
and shortest day of the year.

“Start Quote
<blockquote>It is interesting to know how far back people were doing astronomy,
if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge”
</blockquote> Prof Ray Norris
Astrophysicist

The axis from top to bottom points towards the equinox -
when the length of day equals night.

At Stonehenge, the sun aligns instead with gaps in the stones
on these key dates in the solar calendar.

The probability that layout of Wurdi Youang is a coincidence
is miniscule, argues Ray Norris, a British astrophysicist at Australia's
national science agency, who is leading the investigation.

Prof Norris and his Aboriginal partners used Nasa technology
to measure the position of each rock in relation to the sun, and
to demonstrate the connection with the solstices and equinox.

"It's truly special because
a lot of people don't take account of Aboriginal science,"
says Reg Abrahams, an Aboriginal adviser working with Prof Norris.

Giant emu
As happened with Stonehenge, the discovery could change the
way people view early societies. It is only recently that it has been
demonstrated that Aboriginal societies could count beyond five or six.

"This is the first time we have been able to show that,
as well as being interested in the position of the sun,
they were making astronomical measurements," says Prof Norris,
who is also a faculty member at the School of Indigenous Studies
at Macquarie University in Sydney.

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 _55749608_emuinthesky

This photo of the emu in the sky by an aboriginal rock carving
was sent to every school in Australia

Other studies by Prof Norris, of Aboriginal songs and stories,
have also indicated a clear understanding of the movements of the sun,
moon and stars.

Indigenous customs vary among groups across Australia, but
one story that appears in many local traditions is
the tale of a great emu that sits in the sky.

The emu, which can be seen in the southern hemisphere during
April and May, is a shape made by the dark patches of the Milky Way.

Its appearance coincides with laying season of the wild emu
and for the storytellers it is a sign to start collecting eggs.

Prompted by historian Hugh Cairns, Prof Norris examined and
photographed an emu-shaped rock carving in Kuring-Gai Chase National
Park, near Sydney, which cleverly mirrors the celestial animal-like shape.
During the southern autumn, the constellation
is positioned above the rock
with the bird shape almost perfectly reflected
by the engraving.

Intellectual leap
Other stories show more complex,
intellectual understanding of the universe.

In the case of the solar eclipse, the Walpiri people in the Northern Territory
tell the story of a sun-woman who pursues a moon-man.
When she catches him the two become husband and wife
together causing a solar eclipse.

The idea that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon moving
in front of the sun is something only widely accepted by western
scientists in the 16th Century.

"This is not about balls of flames going out,
it's about one body moving in front of the other,"
says Prof Norris. "That is a giant intellectual leap."

Since solar eclipses are rare, the survival of this story,
passed down through generations,
also shows a remarkable continuity of learning.

These discoveries play a crucial role in helping
Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians
understand just how intellectually
advanced their ancient society was.

"This discovery has huge significance for understanding the
amazing ability of this culture that is maligned," says Janet Mooney,
head of Indigenous Australian Studies at Sydney University.

"It makes not only me, as an Aboriginal person,
but a lot of Aboriginal people around Australia very proud."

She hopes to be able to tell her students of
an aboriginal site more ancient than Stonehenge.

Continue reading the main story Aboriginal cultures

Australia's indigenous Aboriginal population make up 470,000 of the country's 21 million population
There are more than 400 separate Aboriginal traditions in Australia but they share many beliefs
All aboriginal cultures believe in the Dreaming, an expression
for man's relationship to the spiritual natural and moral elements of
the world
A Dreaming is a story owned by a particular tribe that tells the story of creation

Until it is dated however, Wurdi Youang could be anywhere from 200 to 20,000 years old.

Aboriginal stone structures in the region have a vast age
range and are very difficult to date. Many of the smaller rock sites
that have been found, such as shelters and cooking areas, have been
moved over time by natural and human forces.

But given the size of the stones at Wurdi Youang and how
deeply they are entrenched in the ground it is more likely they have
been there for thousands of years, archaeologists say.

Dating requires archaeologists to test the soil under the
rocks to see when it was last exposed to sunlight and the team hope to
be able to do this in the next few months.

But Prof Norris believes he has already proven the real value of the stone circle.

"It is interesting to know how far back people were doing
astronomy, if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge," he
says.

"But it is not quite as interesting to my mind as whether the
Aboriginal people were doing real astronomy before British contact.
That really tells us a lot about what kind of culture it is."

Reach for the Stars - Aboriginal Astronomy was produced by Robert Cockburn and broadcast by Discovery for BBC World Service. Listen the radio documentary here
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Good readers, this was my playground, growing up. It caused me to ask these questions,
about this glorious, truly ancient land's, truly ancient history, even as a child, yet despite
always getting the 'accepted', stock fob off's, 'something' always told
me that's what they were. Simple answers given to a child, as if being a
child made one simple. And so I kept, looking, asking, thinking about
answers given, and why they were given, when obviously,
so many of those 'accepted' answers, contradicted other 'accepted'
answers. Until now at a mature age, having enjoyed an 'interesting'
life, moving around a lot of this country, amongst many cultural and
social groups, from farming to politics, and much in between
and on the fringes, I found that when removing the contradictions,
what we are left with, is, what God described, from the beginning.

true lilly wrote:Another Sign to LOCATE Lands
Described in Holy Scripture...

NO ONE can simply walk up to
"quails" or "pheasants"
and collect more than they can eat,
but in ONE AREA on Earth they CAN, STILL,
gather the most tasty of birds...

Mutton Birds

Aboriginal people still harvest the mutton
birds. Our catch and sales are dependent
on the sustainability of the harvest. Mutton
birds are a delicacy to eat, with a rich oily
flavour unlike any other.

The short-tailed shearwater of Griffiths Island
(Puffinus tenuirostiris - Tasmanian Shearwater)
is commonly called the 'mutton bird'.

Given the name 'mutton bird'
by early settlers of Port Fairy
of its fatty flesh, the shearwater
was hunted as a food and oil source.

Today the shearwater
is totally protected in Victoria.

The journey, of about 15,000 km, passes
New Zealand and Japan
and is completed in only two months.

The return journey follows the coast of
North America to California,
then south-west across the Pacific.
Prevailing winds aid their flight for most of the journey
but on the final leg, from the central Pacific,
the birds battle across south-east winds.

They return to their nesting grounds exhausted...
http://www.port-fairy.com/shearwaters.htm

Ferley Gardner,
Tasmanian Aboriginal Elder...
...One of the highlights of her childhood was
when her family would pack up everything each year
and travel to Big Dog Island or Babel Island
for the mutton bird season.

...COLLECTING BIRDS ON BABEL ISLAND ...
http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Tr...s/s1045602.htm

And all anyone has to do to see it, is get over that patently absurd,
insanely too short, only recently agreed on, "out of Egypt" lie.

true lilly wrote:Australian Aborigines the first astronomers
Posted on September 20, 2010 by Deskarati

Rock engravings at Ngaut Ngaut, South Australia, which are said to
represent lunar cycles. There are many examples like this throughout
Australia which suggest that astronomy is an important part of many
Australian Aboriginal cultures.

An Australian study has uncovered signs that the country’s ancient
Aborigines may have been the world’s first stargazers, pre-dating
Stonehenge and Egypt’s pyramids by thousands of years.

Ray Norris said widespread and detailed knowledge of the stars had
been passed down through the generations by Aborigines, whose history
dates back tens of millennia, in traditional songs and stories.

“We know there’s lots of stories about the sky: songs, legends,
myths,” said Norris, an astronomer for Australia’s science agency, the
Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organisation (CSIRO).

Star-gazing for food

“We wondered how much further does it go than that. It turns out also
people used the sky for navigation, time-keeping, to mark out the
seasons, so it’s very practical.

“People were nomadic so when Pleiades (the Seven Sisters star
cluster) was up they would move to where the nuts and berries are.
Another sign and it would be time to move to the rivers to fish for
barramundi, and so on.”

Norris, who has studied Aboriginal culture and historical accounts by
white settlers, and made several trips to Arnhem Land in Australia’s
remote Outback, said his research also revealed more detailed
astronomical thought.

Figuring out an eclipse

“Clearly some thinker in the past has been sitting down in the bush,
watching an eclipse and trying to figure out how it works,” he said,
giving one example.

“Those thoughts are then encoded in the songs and ceremonies. If you
take a lunar eclipse, the story in Arnhem Land is it’s the Sun Woman and
Moon Man making love, and when they make love the body of one covers
the other.”

Norris is now searching for evidence that would put a date on
Aboriginal astronomy, such as a rock-carving of a meteor strike or
comet.

Establishing a beginning date

He is confident the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain’s astronomy-linked Stonehenge, which is estimated at
3,100 BC, around the age of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

“We’ve established there is all this astronomy, what I don’t know is
how far back this goes. If it goes back 10,000 or 20,000 years, that
makes (Aborigines) the world’s first astronomers,” he said.

via Australian Aborigines the first astronomers | COSMOS magazine.
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The thing is, THEY KNOW IT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER.
It's just that we need to slowly ease the world into feeling like
they are part of the discovery, rather than feeling like dills.

Oh, and I think it was palomino who first posted this, way back then.

Researchers are confident
the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain's astronomy-linked Stonehenge.
(AAP)

WANJINA...the tin foil hat brigade only want to see 'spacemen',
in everything...but come on, these are simply, Mighty, Big, Hairy,
White Freckled Skinned, Red Heads...The Tribe of BENJAMIN...
also, Female Wanjina are very rare, as BENJAMIN nearly became
extinct. Sex crazed, immorally, cruelly, unhealthily so, the rest of
The Tribes of Israel banned intermarriage with them, but so that
they didn't die out (God keeping His Promise), they took women
not of Israel, as wives.

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 Wandjina

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 Wandjina

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 Wandjina1

Judges - Chapter 21

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jdg&c=21&t=KJV#14

And they said ⁵⁵⁹ , [There must be] an inheritance ³⁴²⁵ for them that be escaped ⁶⁴¹³ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴, that a tribe ⁷⁶²⁶ be not destroyed ⁴²²⁹ out of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸.

Howbeit we may ³²⁰¹ not give ⁵⁴¹⁴ them wives ⁸⁰² of our daughters ¹³²³: for the children ¹¹²¹ of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸ have sworn ⁷⁶⁵⁰ , saying ⁵⁵⁹ , Cursed ⁷⁷⁹ [be] he that giveth ⁵⁴¹⁴ a wife ⁸⁰² to Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴.

Then they said ⁵⁵⁹ , Behold, [there is] a feast ²²⁸² of the LORD ³⁰⁶⁸ in Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷ yearly ³¹¹⁷ ³¹¹⁷ [in a place] which [is] on the north side ⁶⁸²⁸ of Bethel ¹⁰⁰⁸, on the east side ⁴²¹⁷ ⁸¹²¹ of the highway ⁴⁵⁴⁶ that goeth up ⁵⁹²⁷ from Bethel ¹⁰⁰⁸ to Shechem ⁷⁹²⁷, and on the south ⁵⁰⁴⁵ of Lebonah ³⁸²⁹.

Therefore they commanded ⁶⁶⁸⁰ the children ¹¹²¹ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴, saying ⁵⁵⁹ , Go ³²¹² and lie in wait ⁶⁹³ in the vineyards ³⁷⁵⁴;

And see ⁷²⁰⁰ , and, behold, if the daughters ¹³²³ of Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷ come out ³³¹⁸ to dance ²³⁴² in dances ⁴²⁴⁶, then come ye out ³³¹⁸ of the vineyards ³⁷⁵⁴, and catch ²⁴¹⁴ you every man ³⁷⁶ his wife ⁸⁰² of the daughters ¹³²³ of Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷, and go ¹⁹⁸⁰ to the land ⁷⁷⁶ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴.

And it shall be, when their fathers ¹ or their brethren ²⁵¹ come ⁹³⁵ unto us to complain ⁷³⁷⁸ , that we will say ⁵⁵⁹ unto them, Be favourable ²⁶⁰³ unto them for our sakes: because we reserved ³⁹⁴⁷ not to each man ³⁷⁶ his wife ⁸⁰² in the war ⁴⁴²¹: for ye did not give ⁵⁴¹⁴ unto them at this time ⁶²⁵⁶, [that] ye should be guilty ⁸¹⁶ .

And the children ¹¹²¹ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴ did so ⁶²¹³ , and took ⁵³⁷⁵ [them] wives ⁸⁰², according to their number ⁴⁵⁵⁷, of them that danced ²³⁴² , whom they caught ¹⁴⁹⁷ : and they went ³²¹² and returned ⁷⁷²⁵ unto their inheritance ⁵¹⁵⁹, and repaired ¹¹²⁹ the cities ⁵⁸⁹², and dwelt ³⁴²⁷ in them.

And the children ¹¹²¹ of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸ departed ¹⁹⁸⁰ thence at that time ⁶²⁵⁶, every man ³⁷⁶ to his tribe ⁷⁶²⁶ and to his family ⁴⁹⁴⁰, and they went out ³³¹⁸ from thence every man ³⁷⁶ to his inheritance ⁵¹⁵⁹.

In those days ³¹¹⁷ [there was] no king ⁴⁴²⁸ in Israel ³⁴⁷⁸: every man ³⁷⁶ did ⁶²¹³ [that which was] right ³⁴⁷⁷ in his own eyes ⁵⁸⁶⁹.

_____________________________________________________
Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin...

...can't you hear the same name, travel over many ages, and tongues,
and still belong to the same type of people described...
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SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 2813551

Aboriginal people believe

we have been here "forever".

According to current scientific
theories,
it is thought that Aborigines have
occupied Australia
for over 60,000 years -
and possibly
more than 100,000 years.

true lilly wrote:

PERU...pooped all over anything in Egypt...
...pooped all over Israel...Israel walked...and all that power...
dried up...then...even greater than all that was...everywhere,
all over the Americas...was built in OZ...then...in their human
pride...Israel forgot God...The Source of all that and more...and...
so...OZ was UTTERLY DEVASTATED...and Israel headed north...
and, scattered, mixed and mingled...over all the world...again...
to start re-gathering...some few hundred years ago...Back in...
The Home Land...promised...preserved...in O'Zion...to again...
better than ever...anywhere...anytime...Re-Plant & Re-Build...

Ancient cave paintings in...not OZ...

Ancient cave paintings in Patagonia, southern Argentina

...have a real, close, look...
http://www.zazzle.com.au/world_map_upside_down_postcard-239671036251018558

Ciggy Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:15 pm

true lilly wrote:I mindlessly parrot what is in the News because I'm incapable of forming my own thoughts on a topic

I, like the rest of The CONspiracy industry,
dare not, post, let alone, honestly discuss... ONLY SPAM. Because, it is only one of
countless real world proofs, that when God described, ALL the world, ALL
the earth, All peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING, I knew fuckall about what he meant because I was too busy stupidly spamming unrelated articles about wogs sneaking into Australia.

Do tell.

true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:34 pm

Poor Ciggy just can't help being wrong...again...
and again... and again ... oh and... psst... you'd need,
oh, a million of me, going 24/7, and I still wouldn't come close to
catching up, let alone keeping up, with the entire world wide web
of 'you mob', repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeating the
same tired old, long ago disproven myths and out right bald faced
lies, that have kept, and now stepped up, bloody slaughters, wars,
and so called revolutions...so called because they do, revolve in a
continual cycle of lies people kill over.

So, Ciggy, how's those American & Euro dollars going...oh that's right,
they are going, off investing in Australia...and our mates who reinvest
in Australia, like China...no matter how much you mob have tried to
talk us down...

Analysts wary but market surges
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Jeff Whalley
AUSTRALIA'S share market has gained $45 billion
in the biggest one-day rally in almost three years,
surging 3.65 per cent.

Port Hedland could be 'chemicals hub'
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PREMIER Colin Barnett says Port Hedland
should seriously consider becoming
a "chemicals industry hub"
to take advantage of the
huge reserves of gas and salt.

24 comments on this story

Report: Mining stays strong amid global weakness

Real Estate
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 13 407214-housing

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New homes for struggling families
MORE than 400 new houses and flats
will be built across the state to
provide subsidised accommodation
for households on low incomes.

...but don't worry, we know what you mob
are really worried about the world discovering...
...about you mob...and why you lie, lie, lie, lie away...
...to where the Wise and Just Living Don't go...yeah,
that was intended to be oxymoronic, for you mob of
CONdradictory Morons Razz

BTW, you COULD just write and stick to your own threads
of the same old, same old, myths and popular lies...but...
you CAN'T, because you just have to spam your shit, any old
shit, over the top of what you are terrified folk will read, and,
learn and understand about your PLOT.

true lilly Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:00 pm

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CHOGM: BBQ send-off for the Queen

BBQ send-off for the Queen
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THE Queen will farewell our country
for possibly the last time
with a big Aussie BBQ in Perth,
the official itinerary of her visit here
has revealed.

true lilly Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:03 pm

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Bathurst 1000: Murphy snares pole for Bathurst 1000

true lilly Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:10 pm

Hungry miners chomping at the port pie
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EVERYBODY is scrambling to get a slice of Port Hedland's Port pie.

true lilly Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Couple's reign at Camelot is over
by:Emily Watkins
From:Sunday Mail (SA)
October 08, 2011
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Hans and Simone Reicht outside "Camelot'' in the Adelaide Hills.
Picture: Michael Marschall

THERE'S no King Arthur but for $4 million Camelot
could prove the perfect home for your band of merry men.

While Adelaide's very own castle was built long after the 12th century - between 1972
and 1975 to be exact - it's not hard to imagine keeping your very own court at this Hills property.

Austrian-born owner Hans Reicht built the quirky castle at Basket Range from hand
around a 135-year-old building.

A waiter and cook by trade, he worked at a hotel at night while digging into the hills
and using his brick-laying skills to create his dream property: a restaurant, motel and wedding function centre.

"The area looked good, it's not too far from the city and it's so sheltered for weddings," he said.

For three years he worked on the property full-time until it was ready to open in 1975.

Since then, he has hosted more than 2000 weddings, with all the couples' names printed
on gold plaques inside the chapel, which he designed from an Austrian postcard.

Mr Reicht, 75, said he had always had an interest in the medieval era - as a young man
he worked around central Europe in restaurants in historic castles. The design of
the building was all Mr Reicht's own: "I'd just go to sleep and I could see it."

He bought the property for $38,500. The asking price is now $3,950,000.

Mr Reicht and his wife Simone, 71, run the property mostly by themselves -
she does most of the cooking for the functions and restaurant.

"I couldn't do it without her," Mr Reicht said.
"People who work as hard as us don't exist anymore."

As well as improving the gardens and extending the building, Mr Reicht made most of the medieval-themed furniture including heavy, padded chairs for the restaurant and function room.

The stone used for the main part of the building came from Greenhill Rd houses that
were knocked down, the banisters are made of timber from Holden factory packing boxes and the chapel roof's copper sheeting was bought cheap from Elizabeth.

"I was very lucky," Mr Reicht said. "I got some things very cheap."

The couple is selling the castle to retire to another of their properties in the Hills.
watkinsem@sundaymail.com.au

true lilly Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:16 am

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A late penalty goal by James O'Connor
generated a great escape for the Wallabies in Wellington today when they
dumped defending champions South Africa out of the World Cup with an
11-9 triumph. Picture: AFP
Read More

true lilly Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:17 am

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Australian Craig Alexander claimed his third Hawaiian Ironman World title.
Read More

true lilly Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:22 am

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Trainer Peter
Moody and hoop Luke Nolen celebrate Black Caviar's barnstorming victory
in the Schillaci Stakes at Caulfield. The unbeaten mare equalled Phar
Lap's record of 14 consecutive wins. Picture: Colleen Petch
Read More

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Garth Tander and Nick Percat claim a thrilling Bathurst 1000 win, as Holden claim the top three. Picture: Mark Evans.
Read More

true lilly Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:48 am

6 October 2011
Last updated at 07:18 GMT
Qantas buys 110 Airbus aircraft for Asia expansion

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Qantas is launching two new airlines in Asia

Continue reading the main story
Aerospace and Defence
EU airline emissions cap 'legal'

American Airlines shares plummet

Can BAE defy arms squeeze?

In pictures: Boeing Dreamliner
European aircraft maker Airbus has struck a deal worth US$9.5bn (£6.2bn) with Australia's Qantas for 110 jets.

The order, said by Qantas to be the country's single largest
aircraft purchase by units, will underpin the airline's expansion into
Asia.

Qantas, which is launching a low-cost and a premium airline in Asia, is buying 78 Airbus 320neos and 32 A320s.

Meanwhile, Airbus said it may help customers with aircraft financing if the euro debt crisis affects orders.

Qantas' expansion plans in Asia include a low-cost tie-up
with Japan Airlines and Mitsubishi Corp, as well as a separate
joint-venture premium airline.

The next-generation A320neo burns about 15% less fuel than
the original A320 and is a key part of EADS-owned Airbus's growth plans.

Separately, Airbus said that it could get involved in debt financing to help customers if market conditions worsen.

There have been reports that banks and institutions that bankroll the airline market are starting to scale back lending.

"We will, if necessary, enter into some financing, although
we're not a bank," Tom Williams, Airbus executive vice president, told a
news conference in Sydney.

Airbus and rival Boeing have been ramping up production in the last couple of years.

true lilly Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:13 am

THE FIRST HOUSES IN AUSTRALIA
home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm -
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm
18 Oct 1985 – Whoever heard of Aborigines living in stone houses, congregating in villages, ... in western Victoria of the stone remains of these houses in a recent ... The Sydney tribes salted and dried fish and meat and hung it in trees away from dogs. ... burning the land, or "firestick farming", as Rees Jones described it. ...
Aboriginal Village
(13/03/2003)
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We’re told that aborigines were nomads. Yet the local Gunditjmara in Western
Victoria claim their ancestors lived in a village. They had eel farms,
and even an eel industry, which exported produce across the country. If
this is true, it would challenge our current understanding of aboriginal
history.

Archaeologist, Dr Heather Builth, set out to
investigate the Gunditjmara’s claims. And remarkably she found a great
deal of evidence to support them…the remains of 100s of huts, more than
75 square kilometres of artificial channels and ponds for farming eels,
and smoking trees for preserving the eels for export to other parts of
Australia.

TRANSCRIPT

Narration: At Lake Condah in western Victoria, there’s a
mystery. We’re told aborigines were nomads. Yet here the aborigines,
claim their ancestors lived in a village. A village so sophisticated,
they farmed eels in these swamps, they processed them and even exported
them across the country. If true it would seriously challenge our
understanding of aboriginal history.

Ken Saunders: We weren’t nomads. We didn’t wander all over the bloody place and gone walkabout. We had an existence here.

Professor
Peter Kershaw found some tantalising evidence in this
snake-and-leech-infested swamp. He took a soil sample from the bottom.
Because soils are laid down gradually, drilling down several metres is
like going back in time.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This is
healthy peat material. It suggests that it’s accumulated under shallow
water and there’s been constant deposition. As we go towards the top
here, you can see it’s getting very kind of fine-grained sediment. It’s
very greasy.

Narration: It’s greasy because the lake was
continually churned up while this soil was being laid…possibly churned
up by human eel farmers.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This doesn’t occur naturally. It had to have some help. People have been here or that is the most likely explanation.

Dr
Heather Builth, found more enticing clues that there could be an
ancient eel farm here. There appeared to be countless artificial
channels crisscrossing this landscape.

Dr Heather Builth:
This has had to be excavated. This channel is artificial channel that
has come through the lava flow through the sheer rock to bring the water
from this swamp into that swamp.

Narration: In fact there
appeared to be artificial ponds here as well. But it was hard to make
sense of all this because the entire area was drained in the 1800s when
the Europeans moved in. But Heather had an idea. She measured up every
little hill and valley in the landscape, entered all the information
into a geography simulation programme and then re-flooded the land on
computer.

That way she could see where all the artificial
channels led. The computer programme revealed a dazzling picture. An
artificial system of ponds connected by canals, covering more than 75
square kilometres of the landscape.

Dr Heather Builth: I
realised there was something pretty clever going on here. The swamps
were joined and there were channels joining the wetlands to the river
and there were channels continuing on to the sea across the whole
length.”

Narration: Heather was starting to believe there
could well have been an ancient eel farm here. Meanwhile, the soil
samples revealed more exciting results when they got back to Peter’s
Monash University lab. Pollens were extracted, and they showed water
plants had suddenly appeared in the record – just what you’d expect if
humans had suddenly constructed an artificial ponding system. But the
most staggering result came when he soil samples were radiocarbon dated.
The artificial ponds it appeared, were created up to 8000 years ago.

Dr Heather Builth: Yeah that is pretty amazing historically, prehistorically in the world about controlling a resource in aquaculture.
Yeah – it could be one of the oldest systems in the world.”

Narration: Of course, none of the scientific discoveries surprised Ken. He says the whole countryside here is dotted with eel traps.

Ken Saunders:
We used to trap eels ourselves and use the eels traps. And some of the
young fellas today still use the eel traps. So the eel traps were part
of our diet. I still eat the bloody things today.

Narration:
The telltale sign of an eel trap is two piles of rocks in straight
lines. Woven basket-like nets were placed in the gap where the water
once flowed.

Dr Heather Builth: This would have come in
here, and understand that it would’ve been about four times as big as
this now, and it would’ve fitted in. There would’ve been a frame here - a
wooden frame and this would’ve gone through the frame like that so it
would’ve been filling up a bit. It was a big enough collar to catch the
eels. So what it meant was they could only come out one at a time and so
someone was here to catch the eels as they came out and grab them bight
them on the back of the neck, kill them put them in the basket.

Narration:
Evidence that 8000 years ago the Gunditjmara had a large-scale eel farm
here was already enough to rock the archaeological establishment. But
what about Ken’s claim that his people actually had an industry, and
were exporting their produce?

Heather had noticed there were a
lot of these trees that had obviously had fires in them. Could it be the
Gunditjmara smoked eels in them, to preserve them for export? She took a
sample deep down where the soil was contaminant-free, to see if a lab
could find traces of eel. But after putting it in the fridge overnight
she was greeted by a remarkable surprise the next morning.

Dr Heather Builth:
The next day, when we went in to open the door, the whole room stank of
smoked eel and that was the eureka moment. And the fact that all these
trees, if people had been using them, that means there was preservation.
Suddenly the whole picture changed. Gunditjmara weren’t just catching
eels; their whole society was based around eels. And that to me was the
proof. That was it.

Narration: This wasn’t just one of the
earliest farming villages…. this was an ancient industry. And that put
the Gunditjmara in a totally different category.

Dr Heather Builth:
A specialisation had developed here of eel production. And these eels
could have gone out long distances and they would have been the currency
these people bargained with. I think what we had here was a
hierarchical structured society. We had chiefs with lots and lots of
power.

Narration: But if this was a village, where did the
inhabitants live? The answer to that lay with these stones scattered
all over the landscape. Many of them seem to lie in circular patterns.
Archaeologists had dismissed them as natural formations, but could they
be the foundations of ancient huts?

To prove that, Heather
painstakingly measured and weighed each of the stones in some of these
structures. And sure enough she found they were too uniform to have been
stacked up by nature.

Graham: This is one of the stone huts?
Heather Builth: This is one of the stone houses.

Narration: They had to have been built by human hands and the most likely explanation is they were dwellings.

Graham: How many stone huts do you think were in this area?

Dr Heather Builth: I have myself have seen hundreds.

Graham: We’re talking about… I mean that’s a village…
Dr. Heather Builth: Yes, we’re talking villages
Graham: Villages!
Heather Builth: Villages

Lindsay Saunders:
You can see there about two metres. By about a metre high. The door
would have been facing east, away from the weather coming in from the
west. This would have housed about two or three people.”

Narration:
This is what the huts might have looked like, based on historical
accounts and the materials that were available. Wooden boughs sat on top
of the stone foundations and they were covered with peat sods for
strength and reeds for waterproofing. What you’re left wondering is…How
did archaeologists miss all this? Heather believes it’s because
everything disappeared very quickly when European farmers moved in.

Dr Heather Builth: A lot of them had a military background and they knew how to get rid of aboriginal people pretty quickly.

Narration: While the scientific discoveries don’t surprise Ken, he hopes they will help his people.

Ken Saunders: If we can get National Heritage Listing – which we will get – we can then rebuild and recreate the fish traps again.

Narration:
The Gunditjmara eel-trap-weaving skills are still being handed down,
and Heather now knows how the eel farms operated. Her science may just
help Ken’s people realise their dream.

Ken Saunders: Well
you couldn’t have a blackfella telling that story. So to prove it we
had to have a white person doing the scientific research to say this is
real.

Topics: Archaeology & History

Researcher: Robyn Smith

Story Contacts
Dr Heather Builth
Email
Postal address:
RMB 7460
Coustleys Rd
Homerton
Via Heywood
Victoria 3304
Ph: 03 55272051

Professor Peter Kershaw
Email

Director of the Centre for Palynology and Palaeoecology
Geography & Environmental Science
Monash University
Melbourne
Tel: 03 9905 2927

Ken Saunders
Co-ordinator of Lake Condah Sustainable Development Project
03-55784272
Related Info
Information on the project at Flinders University

true lilly wrote:This is in the News today, BBC News, but it's over a month, over 40 years, over 200 years,
and much, much older 'news', that like so much more truly ancient Australian History, 'they',
at
David Icke Official Forums, like the rest of The CONspiracy industry,
dare not, post, let alone, honestly discuss. Because, it is only one of
countless real world proofs, that when God described, ALL the world, ALL
the earth, All peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING, that is what He meant.

6 October 2011
Last updated at 02:18 GMT
Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia

By Stephanie Hegarty
BBC World Service

Continue reading the main story

An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia
could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that
ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.

Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders,
the site of Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European
settlers two centuries ago,
and charted by archaeologists in 1977,
but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.

It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people -
the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the
rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and
practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century.

Now a team of archaeologists, astronomers and Aboriginal advisers
is reclaiming that knowledge.

They have discovered that waist-high boulders at the tip of
the egg-shaped point along the ring to the position on the horizon
where the sun sets at the summer and winter solstice - the longest
and shortest day of the year.

“Start Quote
<blockquote>It is interesting to know how far back people were doing astronomy,
if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge”
</blockquote> Prof Ray Norris
Astrophysicist

The axis from top to bottom points towards the equinox -
when the length of day equals night.

At Stonehenge, the sun aligns instead with gaps in the stones
on these key dates in the solar calendar.

The probability that layout of Wurdi Youang is a coincidence
is miniscule, argues Ray Norris, a British astrophysicist at Australia's
national science agency, who is leading the investigation.

Prof Norris and his Aboriginal partners used Nasa technology
to measure the position of each rock in relation to the sun, and
to demonstrate the connection with the solstices and equinox.

"It's truly special because
a lot of people don't take account of Aboriginal science,"
says Reg Abrahams, an Aboriginal adviser working with Prof Norris.

Giant emu
As happened with Stonehenge, the discovery could change the
way people view early societies. It is only recently that it has been
demonstrated that Aboriginal societies could count beyond five or six.

"This is the first time we have been able to show that,
as well as being interested in the position of the sun,
they were making astronomical measurements," says Prof Norris,
who is also a faculty member at the School of Indigenous Studies
at Macquarie University in Sydney.

This photo of the emu in the sky by an aboriginal rock carving
was sent to every school in Australia

Other studies by Prof Norris, of Aboriginal songs and stories,
have also indicated a clear understanding of the movements of the sun,
moon and stars.

Indigenous customs vary among groups across Australia, but
one story that appears in many local traditions is
the tale of a great emu that sits in the sky.

The emu, which can be seen in the southern hemisphere during
April and May, is a shape made by the dark patches of the Milky Way.

Its appearance coincides with laying season of the wild emu
and for the storytellers it is a sign to start collecting eggs.

Prompted by historian Hugh Cairns, Prof Norris examined and
photographed an emu-shaped rock carving in Kuring-Gai Chase National
Park, near Sydney, which cleverly mirrors the celestial animal-like shape.
During the southern autumn, the constellation
is positioned above the rock
with the bird shape almost perfectly reflected
by the engraving.

Intellectual leap
Other stories show more complex,
intellectual understanding of the universe.

In the case of the solar eclipse, the Walpiri people in the Northern Territory
tell the story of a sun-woman who pursues a moon-man.
When she catches him the two become husband and wife
together causing a solar eclipse.

The idea that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon moving
in front of the sun is something only widely accepted by western
scientists in the 16th Century.

"This is not about balls of flames going out,
it's about one body moving in front of the other,"
says Prof Norris. "That is a giant intellectual leap."

Since solar eclipses are rare, the survival of this story,
passed down through generations,
also shows a remarkable continuity of learning.

These discoveries play a crucial role in helping
Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians
understand just how intellectually
advanced their ancient society was.

"This discovery has huge significance for understanding the
amazing ability of this culture that is maligned," says Janet Mooney,
head of Indigenous Australian Studies at Sydney University.

"It makes not only me, as an Aboriginal person,
but a lot of Aboriginal people around Australia very proud."

She hopes to be able to tell her students of
an aboriginal site more ancient than Stonehenge.

Continue reading the main story Aboriginal cultures

Australia's indigenous Aboriginal population make up 470,000 of the country's 21 million population
There are more than 400 separate Aboriginal traditions in Australia but they share many beliefs
All aboriginal cultures believe in the Dreaming, an expression
for man's relationship to the spiritual natural and moral elements of
the world
A Dreaming is a story owned by a particular tribe that tells the story of creation
Until it is dated however, Wurdi Youang could be anywhere from 200 to 20,000 years old.

Aboriginal stone structures in the region have a vast age
range and are very difficult to date. Many of the smaller rock sites
that have been found, such as shelters and cooking areas, have been
moved over time by natural and human forces.

But given the size of the stones at Wurdi Youang and how
deeply they are entrenched in the ground it is more likely they have
been there for thousands of years, archaeologists say.

Dating requires archaeologists to test the soil under the
rocks to see when it was last exposed to sunlight and the team hope to
be able to do this in the next few months.

But Prof Norris believes he has already proven the real value of the stone circle.

"It is interesting to know how far back people were doing
astronomy, if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge," he
says.

"But it is not quite as interesting to my mind as whether the
Aboriginal people were doing real astronomy before British contact.
That really tells us a lot about what kind of culture it is."

Reach for the Stars - Aboriginal Astronomy was produced by Robert Cockburn and broadcast by Discovery for BBC World Service. Listen the radio documentary here
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Good readers, this was my playground, growing up. It caused me to ask these questions,
about this glorious, truly ancient land's, truly ancient history, even as a child, yet despite
always getting the 'accepted', stock fob off's, 'something' always told
me that's what they were. Simple answers given to a child, as if being a
child made one simple. And so I kept, looking, asking, thinking about
answers given, and why they were given, when obviously,
so many of those 'accepted' answers, contradicted other 'accepted'
answers. Until now at a mature age, having enjoyed an 'interesting'
life, moving around a lot of this country, amongst many cultural and
social groups, from farming to politics, and much in between
and on the fringes, I found that when removing the contradictions,
what we are left with, is, what God described, from the beginning.
true lilly wrote:Another Sign to LOCATE Lands
Described in Holy Scripture...

NO ONE can simply walk up to
"quails" or "pheasants"
and collect more than they can eat,
but in ONE AREA on Earth they CAN, STILL,
gather the most tasty of birds...

Mutton Birds

Aboriginal people still harvest the mutton
birds. Our catch and sales are dependent
on the sustainability of the harvest. Mutton
birds are a delicacy to eat, with a rich oily
flavour unlike any other.

The short-tailed shearwater of Griffiths Island
(Puffinus tenuirostiris - Tasmanian Shearwater)
is commonly called the 'mutton bird'.

Given the name 'mutton bird'
by early settlers of Port Fairy
of its fatty flesh, the shearwater
was hunted as a food and oil source.

Today the shearwater
is totally protected in Victoria.

The journey, of about 15,000 km, passes
New Zealand and Japan
and is completed in only two months.

The return journey follows the coast of
North America to California,
then south-west across the Pacific.
Prevailing winds aid their flight for most of the journey
but on the final leg, from the central Pacific,
the birds battle across south-east winds.

They return to their nesting grounds exhausted...
http://www.port-fairy.com/shearwaters.htm

Ferley Gardner,
Tasmanian Aboriginal Elder...
...One of the highlights of her childhood was
when her family would pack up everything each year
and travel to Big Dog Island or Babel Island
for the mutton bird season.

...COLLECTING BIRDS ON BABEL ISLAND ...
http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Tr...s/s1045602.htm
And all anyone has to do to see it, is get over that patently absurd,
insanely too short, only recently agreed on, "out of Egypt" lie.
true lilly wrote:Australian Aborigines the first astronomers
Posted on September 20, 2010 by Deskarati

Rock engravings at Ngaut Ngaut, South Australia, which are said to
represent lunar cycles. There are many examples like this throughout
Australia which suggest that astronomy is an important part of many
Australian Aboriginal cultures.

An Australian study has uncovered signs that the country’s ancient
Aborigines may have been the world’s first stargazers, pre-dating
Stonehenge and Egypt’s pyramids by thousands of years.

Ray Norris said widespread and detailed knowledge of the stars had
been passed down through the generations by Aborigines, whose history
dates back tens of millennia, in traditional songs and stories.

“We know there’s lots of stories about the sky: songs, legends,
myths,” said Norris, an astronomer for Australia’s science agency, the
Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organisation (CSIRO).

Star-gazing for food

“We wondered how much further does it go than that. It turns out also
people used the sky for navigation, time-keeping, to mark out the
seasons, so it’s very practical.

“People were nomadic so when Pleiades (the Seven Sisters star
cluster) was up they would move to where the nuts and berries are.
Another sign and it would be time to move to the rivers to fish for
barramundi, and so on.”

Norris, who has studied Aboriginal culture and historical accounts by
white settlers, and made several trips to Arnhem Land in Australia’s
remote Outback, said his research also revealed more detailed
astronomical thought.

Figuring out an eclipse

“Clearly some thinker in the past has been sitting down in the bush,
watching an eclipse and trying to figure out how it works,” he said,
giving one example.

“Those thoughts are then encoded in the songs and ceremonies. If you
take a lunar eclipse, the story in Arnhem Land is it’s the Sun Woman and
Moon Man making love, and when they make love the body of one covers
the other.”

Norris is now searching for evidence that would put a date on
Aboriginal astronomy, such as a rock-carving of a meteor strike or
comet.

Establishing a beginning date

He is confident the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain’s astronomy-linked Stonehenge, which is estimated at
3,100 BC, around the age of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

“We’ve established there is all this astronomy, what I don’t know is
how far back this goes. If it goes back 10,000 or 20,000 years, that
makes (Aborigines) the world’s first astronomers,” he said.

via Australian Aborigines the first astronomers | COSMOS magazine.
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The thing is, THEY KNOW IT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER.
It's just that we need to slowly ease the world into feeling like
they are part of the discovery, rather than feeling like dills.

Oh, and I think it was palomino who first posted this, way back then.

Researchers are confident
the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain's astronomy-linked Stonehenge.
(AAP)
WANJINA...the tin foil hat brigade only want to see 'spacemen',
in everything...but come on, these are simply, Mighty, Big, Hairy,
White Freckled Skinned, Red Heads...The Tribe of BENJAMIN...
also, Female Wanjina are very rare, as BENJAMIN nearly became
extinct. Sex crazed, immorally, cruelly, unhealthily so, the rest of
The Tribes of Israel banned intermarriage with them, but so that
they didn't die out (God keeping His Promise), they took women
not of Israel, as wives.

Judges - Chapter 21

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jdg&c=21&t=KJV#14
And they said ⁵⁵⁹ , [There must be] an inheritance ³⁴²⁵ for them that be escaped ⁶⁴¹³ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴, that a tribe ⁷⁶²⁶ be not destroyed ⁴²²⁹ out of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸.

Howbeit we may ³²⁰¹ not give ⁵⁴¹⁴ them wives ⁸⁰² of our daughters ¹³²³: for the children ¹¹²¹ of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸ have sworn ⁷⁶⁵⁰ , saying ⁵⁵⁹ , Cursed ⁷⁷⁹ [be] he that giveth ⁵⁴¹⁴ a wife ⁸⁰² to Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴.

Then they said ⁵⁵⁹ , Behold, [there is] a feast ²²⁸² of the LORD ³⁰⁶⁸ in Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷ yearly ³¹¹⁷ ³¹¹⁷ [in a place] which [is] on the north side ⁶⁸²⁸ of Bethel ¹⁰⁰⁸, on the east side ⁴²¹⁷ ⁸¹²¹ of the highway ⁴⁵⁴⁶ that goeth up ⁵⁹²⁷ from Bethel ¹⁰⁰⁸ to Shechem ⁷⁹²⁷, and on the south ⁵⁰⁴⁵ of Lebonah ³⁸²⁹.

Therefore they commanded ⁶⁶⁸⁰ the children ¹¹²¹ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴, saying ⁵⁵⁹ , Go ³²¹² and lie in wait ⁶⁹³ in the vineyards ³⁷⁵⁴;

And see ⁷²⁰⁰ , and, behold, if the daughters ¹³²³ of Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷ come out ³³¹⁸ to dance ²³⁴² in dances ⁴²⁴⁶, then come ye out ³³¹⁸ of the vineyards ³⁷⁵⁴, and catch ²⁴¹⁴ you every man ³⁷⁶ his wife ⁸⁰² of the daughters ¹³²³ of Shiloh ⁷⁸⁸⁷, and go ¹⁹⁸⁰ to the land ⁷⁷⁶ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴.

And it shall be, when their fathers ¹ or their brethren ²⁵¹ come ⁹³⁵ unto us to complain ⁷³⁷⁸ , that we will say ⁵⁵⁹ unto them, Be favourable ²⁶⁰³ unto them for our sakes: because we reserved ³⁹⁴⁷ not to each man ³⁷⁶ his wife ⁸⁰² in the war ⁴⁴²¹: for ye did not give ⁵⁴¹⁴ unto them at this time ⁶²⁵⁶, [that] ye should be guilty ⁸¹⁶ .

And the children ¹¹²¹ of Benjamin ¹¹⁴⁴ did so ⁶²¹³ , and took ⁵³⁷⁵ [them] wives ⁸⁰², according to their number ⁴⁵⁵⁷, of them that danced ²³⁴² , whom they caught ¹⁴⁹⁷ : and they went ³²¹² and returned ⁷⁷²⁵ unto their inheritance ⁵¹⁵⁹, and repaired ¹¹²⁹ the cities ⁵⁸⁹², and dwelt ³⁴²⁷ in them.

And the children ¹¹²¹ of Israel ³⁴⁷⁸ departed ¹⁹⁸⁰ thence at that time ⁶²⁵⁶, every man ³⁷⁶ to his tribe ⁷⁶²⁶ and to his family ⁴⁹⁴⁰, and they went out ³³¹⁸ from thence every man ³⁷⁶ to his inheritance ⁵¹⁵⁹.

In those days ³¹¹⁷ [there was] no king ⁴⁴²⁸ in Israel ³⁴⁷⁸: every man ³⁷⁶ did ⁶²¹³ [that which was] right ³⁴⁷⁷ in his own eyes ⁵⁸⁶⁹.

_____________________________________________________
Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin...
...can't you hear the same name, travel over many ages, and tongues,
and still belong to the same type of people described...

Aboriginal people believe

we have been here "forever".

According to current scientific
theories,
it is thought that Aborigines have
occupied Australia
for over 60,000 years -
and possibly
more than 100,000 years.

Ciggy Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:15 am

You got spamming matilda in yer tucker bag?

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