Re: SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!

Billy Ruben Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:15 am

No-one did any cool songs but me...boring! cthulhu

true lilly Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:33 am

See,
Australia is pretty important,
to a lot of peoples,
from a lot of nations...
...and it's pretty important to Australia,
to be careful about who we believe, and
who we know to want to be, Loyal Australians...
...or intend turning Australia into a land
ruled by the ways of the lands
they claim to want to escape...

Pratibha Devisingh Patil

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Pratibha Devisingh Patil
is the 12th and current President
of the Republic of India
and first woman to hold the office.

She was sworn in as President of India
on 25 July 2007,
succeeding Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam
and after beating her rival
Bhairon Singh Shekhawat.

Patil claims to have
spoken to the spirit of the deceased leader (Baba Lekhraj)
at their headquarters in Mount Abu, Rajasthan.
"Dadiji ke shareer mein baba aye ...
Maine unse baat ki (Baba entered Devi’s body
and he communicated to me through her),"
she said on TV camera.

Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India

true lilly wrote:Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From correspondents in Mumbai
From: AFP
September 04, 2011 12:21PM

CHANTING to cure snakebites, claiming to be a reincarnated spouse to
obtain sex, and charging for miracles could soon be banned by an Indian
state seeking to stop charlatans preying on the vulnerable.

Many superstitions are widely held in India but a campaign group
is lobbying hard for a new law in the western state of Maharashtra to
outlaw several exploitative activities, with penalties of fines or up
to seven years in jail.

But the push to pass the
Maharashtra Prevention
and Eradication of Human Sacrifice
and Other Inhuman, Evil Practices
and Black Magic Bill
has not received unanimous support.

Some Hindu nationalists fear the legislation seeks to move beyond the
excesses named in its title and might be used to curb cherished religious freedoms.

One right-wing association, the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, called it
"a draconian law targeting faith",
denounced its proponents as "atheists" and called for supporters to
lobby assembly members to oppose it and demand amendments.

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The founder and executive president of the Maharashtra Blind Faith
Eradication Committee, which has been calling for a law for the last
two decades, is undeterred and hopes other states will follow suit.

"Superstitions are rampant all over India but at the moment there is
no law which stops this type of activity," Narendra Dabholkar said.

"There are laws against witchcraft but they're limited to a particular type of
witchcraft. This is much wider and more encompassing."

The draft law, supported by Maharashtra's ruling Congress-National Congress Party
coalition, aims to target "quacks and conmen" who exploit widely-held
superstitions and the ignorant, particularly in rural areas.

In May this year, police said they had foiled an alleged attempt
to abduct and kill a seven-year-old girl in a village near Nashik,
northwest of Mumbai, as part of a ritual to find hidden treasure.
And last year, a childless couple in a remote village some 675km east of Mumbai
were arrested for allegedly killing five young boys because a religious
mystic told them it would help the woman to conceive.

Practices to be banned by the proposed law include beating a person to exorcise
ghosts or making money by claiming to work miracles.

Treating a dog, snake or scorpion bite with chants instead of medicine, and
seeking sexual favours by claiming to be an incarnation of a holy spirit or
the client's wife or husband in a past life would also be proscribed.

Some critics, however, say the draft law does not go far enough and
has been watered down since it was first mooted way back in 1995
due to protests from pro-Hindu groups.

"In my opinion the bill that has ultimately come into Maharashtra suggests nothing
new. It doesn't give anything additional," said Sanal Edamaruku, president of
the Indian Rationalist Association.

Concerns about the draft law's impact on legitimate religious practices from Hindu
nationalist groups such as the Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have delayed its passing.

They say it could be used to prevent common Hindu rites like the "havan" ritual,
in which a consecrated fire is lit in the home to chase away evil spirits.

Dabholkar rejects the charge that the bill is anti-religion.

"In the whole of the bill, there's not a single word about God or religion.
Nothing like that. The Indian constitution allows freedom of worship and
nobody can take that away," he said.

"This is about fraudulent and exploitative practices."

For Edamaruku, whose organisation seeks to debunk superstition and promote
scientific reasoning, a new India-wide law against charlatans is vital to build on
the great strides made by the country in recent years.

Continued belief in superstitions and black magic "will hinder India's
development," he said. "A countrywide law is needed.
We need to fight
against ignorance."

...So, WHY AREN'T WE
ALLOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST
The IGNORANCE of RELIGIONS
that ARE FLOODING INTO AUSTRALIA...
true lilly wrote:Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen
Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen

10:36AM
AAP
LEGAL advice has ruled out
the offshore processing
of asylum seekers
in PNG and Nauru,
Immigration Minister says.

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen
says he will release the Solicitor-General's report today.
The Daily Telegraph

IMMIGRATION Minister Chris Bowen
says the Solicitor-General has ruled out the offshore processing of
asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea and Nauru as a result of the High
Court decision last week.

He has told the ABC's Insiders program that he will release the Solicitor-General's report later today.

"What that advice tells us is that not only is the Government's declaration
of Malaysia invalid, obviously under the High Court decision, but also
minister (Philip) Ruddock's declarations of Nauru and PNG should also
held to be invalid," Mr Bowen said.

"And that the Solicitor-General and two other senior counsel can have no confidence
that an arrangement with PNG or Nauru is possible under existing law as a
result of this judgment.''

Mr Bowen said the report would shape the Government's future decision making.

"Frankly, it should also inform Mr Abbott's decision because he has incorrectly
stated that there's no implication for Nauru under this judgment and that it simply untrue."<u>

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All at sea The Australian, 1 day ago
He said the Government needed to work through the options, one of which could be amending the Migration Act.</u>

"Clearly the High Court has interpreted the Migration Act in this way and it
would be open to the Parliament to change the Migration Act to deal with
how the HIgh Court has interpreted it and that's one of the options
that would be available.

"Quite
clearly under all the legal advice, if Mr Abbott wanted to go down the
Nauru option he would need legislative change. He would need it on
several bases.

"And what is very clear from the High Court judgment is you could not send
unaccompanied minors in any workable way to Nauru or anywhere else.
That's a significant change."
More to come...
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...'reads' like, 'MORE FOREIGN young MEN to COME...
...and We CAN'T STOP THEM...under current law...'

...child soldiers at 12, 14, 17...
COMMITTED TO SPREADING ISLAM...
...still 'minors' when they get here,
where we are, NOT ALLOWED,
By UN PANDERING Law, to
Re-educate them to Understanding,
OUR Nations, Christian Based Ways...
__________________________________________________________________

The rise of
Middle Eastern crime
in Australia
Former NSW detective Tim Priest was one of the front-line cops
who lead the war against crime in the drug-ridden streets of Cabramatta.

Yet he found himself waging his biggest battle not against the drug gangs
but against the very organisation he worked for.

Eventually, he could stand it no longer and spoke out
about the politics and bureaucratic bungling,
chronic lack of resources and crazy policy decisions
that seem endemic to the New South Wales Police Service.

For this, he was labelled a 'whistleblower' and ultimately
railroaded out of the force.

Parliamentary enquiries subsequently proved that
Tim Priest had spoken the truth and,
perhaps more shockingly,
thatwhat the newspapers reveal
is merely the tip of the iceberg.

Tim Priest teamed up with academic Richard Basham
to publish a book, To Protect and to Serve.
It is available at all bookstores.

It is required reading for every person
who is concerned about crime in New South Wales
and why the police are afraid of the ethnic gangs.

This article was first published in the January 2004 issue of Quadrant.

It is re-published here with the permission of Tim Priest.
[url=http://www.australian-news.com.au/The
rise of Middle Eastern crime in Australia.pdf]Download[/url] a
printable version (pdf file 308 Kb)
http://www.australian-news.com.au/Tim_Priest.htm
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true lilly wrote:Shootings turn quiet streets
into a war zone
Nick O'Malley, Nick Ralston
September 3, 2011

Families are being forced to move out as
drive-by attacks create neighbourhoods of fear,
write Nick O'Malley and Nick Ralston.

The family had fled Afghanistan through Iran five years
ago and built a new life in Sydney. Asieh had finished school at St
Marys and done well. She was studying for a medical science exam when,
about 10 o'clock on June 30, the gunshots broke the night.

It wasn't the first time.

Shots had been fired in Price Street, Merrylands, in May. When the Herald
visited this week, a ''for rent'' sign was on the wooden fence at the
front of Asieh's house. Furniture was on the lawn awaiting removal.

Asieh wouldn't be photographed, nor did she want her full name published.

''You don't expect it to happen in a country like this,'' she said.

Next door, her neighbour, a short woman aged 68 with a worn and friendly face, was watering her olive trees.

She wouldn't be named or photographed either. She seemed resigned to violence in the street.

''I've been here 50 years, I raised my boys here, I'm close to my church, I don't want to go. I don't know what to do.''

She pointed across the road to a new two-storey home.

''Look there, a nice family, two kids, they just built their house and they want to sell it, but no one will buy.''

At night she rolls steel shutters over her front windows.

''I know the bullets can come through but it feels better.''

She is looking forward to summer, when it stays light longer.

People on Price Street are reluctant to use names, but
they know why their street is being shot up. Their neighbour is Wahiba
Ibrahim, the matriarch of the Ibrahim family, which has been the target
in a series of shootings across Sydney over the past 15 months.

The Ryde home of her daughter, Armani Stelio, was
peppered in a drive-by attack in November and two months later there
was a shooting outside Wahiba Ibrahim's Merrylands home.

The shootings followed a series of tattoo parlour
attacks, drive-by shootings and brawls that were believed to be related
to a feud between the gang Notorious, which is associated with the
Ibrahim family, and the Comanchero Motorcycle Club. But police believe
some of the recent drive-by shootings were carried out by members of the
Hells Angels.

Asieh and her parents don't care who is pulling the trigger.

Ten minutes away at Greenacre a mower roars at the back
of a fibro house while a tired-looking woman wearing an apron and
holding a Barbie doll politely but firmly asks to be left alone.

Last Monday night about a dozen shots were fired back

and forth between a pair of cars out the front.

A police media release described the two bullets that slammed into the family home as ''stray''. Little comfort.

Across the road, two doors down live another couple. She is 89, he is 91. They are happy to talk, but will not be named.

They were in their living room when the gunfire started.

''I thought it was firecrackers, but he said it was
guns,'' she says, pointing to her husband, who was about to head off to
the shops. Police have since arrested three people.

Drive-by shootings were not a part of Sydney's crime
culture until the late 1990s, says the former assistant NSW police
commissioner Clive Small.

He says they are a tactic often used by Middle Eastern
crime gangs, whose members often come from cultures where gun ownership
and use is far more common than in Australia.

There were 60 drive-by shootings in Sydney last year, and
70 in 2009. But some local government areas have been suffering
disproportionately.

Since 2007 there have been 29 in Bankstown, 43 in Fairfield and 24 in Auburn.

Each time a thug in a car opens fire they not only
spread fear through a community, they put innocent lives at risk, Small
says.

Bob Knight, 66, was driving his truck past a KFC car park
on Milperra Road when a shootout erupted between rival gangs in June
2009.

He was hit in the head by a ''stray'' bullet and died in his truck cabin.

Arrests tend to slow the number of shootings, Small says, but gangs fill vacuums and the shooting soon breaks out again.

He believes public gun play is a sign of an immature criminal.

''Sadly, it is only going to go away when they get more professional at their business.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/shootings-turn-quiet-streets-into-a-war-zone-20110902-1jq2f.html#ixzz1WrneTimF

Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India

Patil
Pratibha Women Cooperative Bank
Main article: Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank
Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank was a cooperative bank
set up by Patil in 1973 to empower women.

The license for it to operate as a bank
was revoked in 2003
by the Reserve Bank of India
for alleged financial irregularities.

Among the irregularities listed
were the loans policy of the bank
and loan interest waivers given,
among others, to Patil's relatives.Patil was one of the chairpersons of the bank
and a number of her relatives were also directors.

Allegations of shielding her brother
on a murder charge
Main article: Vishram Patil murder case...
The lawyer Mahesh Jethmalani said that two CDs have surfaced
which contain incriminating material against Patil's brother.
The CDs contain footage of the elections
for the distict Congress presidentship in Jalgaon.

Jethmalani offered to place both CDs on record,
saying "These contain vital information
showing the political link behind the murder."

Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India
Incumbent

News for India Australia uranium
[quote="true lilly"]Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From..Mumbai
September 04, 2011 12:21PM

News for India Australia uranium

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A testingtime for India - and Australia
Sydney Morning Herald - 1 day ago
India doesn't want or need
to rush in with orders for uranium.
... But post-colonial relations
between India and Australia
quickly became distant, ...

Sell India uranium,
minister says
www.theage.com.au/.../sell-india-uranium-minister-says-20110215-1av4i...
16 Feb 2011 –
''I accept [that our refusal to export uranium]
is a major concern
in an otherwise close strategic relationship
between Australia and India.'' ...
Australian Uranium to India:
Why Australia should sell it to India ...
yadusingh.wordpress.com/.../australian-uranium-to-indiawhy-austral... - Cached
20 Aug 2010 –
Previous Australian Gov led by PM John Howard
did many things to move Australia and India closer.
He declared that he would sell Uranium to ...

Australia's uranium policy
leaves India in the cold -
Radio Australia
www.radioaustralia.net.au/connectasia/stories/201003/s2854696.htm - Cached
24 Mar 2010 –
Australia has created more dismay
over it's attitude to India,
after
approving uranium sales to Russia
but...

India | uranium |
Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty |
Julie Bishop
www.smh.com.au/.../our-relationship-with-india-should-be-about-more-tha...
4 Feb 2010 –
It is not in Australia's national interest,
first because it sends a message to India that
Australia doesn't trust it
to be a recipient of our uranium, ...

Uranium backflip
The Australian
www.theaustralian.com.au/news/uranium.../story-e6frg72o-111111533363...
17 Jan 2008 –
Not selling to India is purely dogmatic. ...

Why Australia should
sell uranium to India -
On Line Opinion - 23/8 ...
www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6274 - Cached
23 Aug 2007 –
Australian refusal to supply uranium to India
would be a short-sighted move
to preserve a failed 60's nuclear order
and an affront to India.
Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
September 04, 2011 12:21PM

true lilly Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:00 am

Media Release

CSIRO’s own to lead international research centre Reference: 11/80 CSIRO’s Dr Neal Wai Poi will lead the development of a major new international mining and mineral processing research centre based in Santiago, Chile. 28 July 2011 Developed by CSIRO in collaboration with the University of Chile and leading industry and research partners, the Chile International Centre of Excellence in Mining and Mineral Processing will tackle key challenges that both the Australian and Chilean mining industries face. "Australia and Chile have many common current and future challenges that their mining industries need to address. These include processing lower-grade ores, improving water and energy efficiency in remote operations, and deeper open-cut and underground operations," Dr Wai Poi said. "The Centre of Excellence will have extensive benefits for Australia, including creating new bilateral business opportunities for service companies, improving the efficiency and competitiveness of the industry and advancing scientific research." Dr Wai Poi said the Centre will provide both countries with a unique opportunity to build a world-leading partnership and collaboration to address these common challenges will be beneficial for both nations. “The Centre of Excellence will have extensive benefits for Australia” Dr Neal Wai Poi "The Centre will facilitate great benefits for Chile, allowing faster access to new and existing technologies in the mining sector, building new and improved technologies and strengthening local capacity to build the services sector through partnership with industry," Dr Wai Poi said. Dr Wai Poi brings with him a strong network of industry and research contacts in the international mining and mineral resources community and a wealth of knowledge in negotiating large-scale, multi-organisational and multi-national projects. "I'm excited and honoured to take on this role as Director of CSIRO's first international Centre of Excellence. I hope the Centre will confirm CSIRO's reputation as a global leader in science, technology and innovation," Dr Wai Poi said. Shortly after joining CSIRO in 2009 as a research leader, Dr Wai Poi was appointed Acting Director of the Light Metals Flagship. Throughout his career he has successfully delivered international initiatives that have implemented advanced technologies in industry and science. He previously worked with Corus Aluminium Voerde GmbH in Germany coordinating its involvement in several European Union projects (ALU-2000 and NOVEM), with Simonsen AS in Hong Kong and Australia, and with Rio Tinto Aluminium Technology in Australia. The Centre of Excellence will be co-funded by the Chilean Government and is supported by CICITEM, the University of Antofogasto and leading industry partners including BHP Billiton Codelco, Anglo American Chile, Antofagasta Minerals and Xstrata Copper as well as local Australian companies. Read more media releases in our Media section.

true lilly Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:23 am

Abbott offers PM a deal
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PHILLIP COOREY
Julia Gillard must choose between
a Pacific solution deal with Tony Abbott
or scrap overseas processing altogether.
Abbott offers PM asylum escape route
Phillip Coorey
September 5, 2011

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Tough decision ...
Julia Gillard and Immigration Minister Chris Bowen.
Photo: Paul Harris

THE Gillard government faces a choice between doing a
deal with Tony Abbott to bring back the Pacific solution or bowing to
the demands of its stirring Left faction and scrapping the overseas
processing of asylum seekers altogether.

The stark contrast emerged yesterday after the government released its
written legal advice, which says last week's High Court decision that
ruled the Malaysia plan invalid also rules out the Pacific solution
locations of Nauru and Manus Island.

Claiming the government was looking for an excuse to abandon offshore
processing, Mr Abbott offered to help pass legislation amending the
Migration Act to circumvent the High Court ruling and allow processing
on Manus Island and Nauru.

The government is torn over what to do and cabinet will discuss options
today. One option is understood to opt for the Pacific solution but with
elements to try to placate the Left, such as an increased annual
refugee intake.

The developments came as the Herald obtained a memo sent to staff
by the secretary of the Department of Immigration, Andrew Metcalf, the
day after the High Court decision.

The three-page memo suggests the Malaysia plan would have been more
effective than the Pacific solution in stopping the people smugglers
because it would have sent people back to the point of departure.

Mr Metcalf said one of the theories underpinning the Malaysia plan was
''the dramatic effect of past polices involving the very quick removal
of people from Australia''. He cited the Labor government's forced
repatriation of ethnic Chinese and Vietnamese groups in 1994, of Chinese
nationals in the mid-1990s, and the Howard government towing several
boatloads of people back to Indonesian waters.

''It is indisputable that these actions sent a clear message to people
smugglers that they could not guarantee what they are selling - arrival
and processing of claims in Australia.''

The High Court decision raised doubts about Julia Gillard's leadership.
But her senior ministers continued to defend her yesterday and the NSW
Labor headquarters in Sussex St was warning there was no appetite among
the rank and file for another change, warning it would be ''political
suicide''.

The government's legal advice, by the Commonwealth Solicitor-General,
Stephen Gageler, was released by the Immigration Minister, Chris Bowen.
''We do not have reasonable confidence on the material with which we
have been briefed that the power conferred by [section 198A of the
Migration Act] could currently be exercised to take asylum seekers from
Australia to either Nauru or PNG,'' the advice says.

Mr Abbott, after consulting the shadow attorney-general, George
Brandis, disputed the assertion, saying Nauru had signed the United
Nations convention on refugees and was amending its laws to ensure they
were compliant with the High Court verdict.

He said the government was trying to use the High Court decision as an
excuse to avoid an internal split by abandoning offshore processing
which, he said, would be pandering to the Greens and the Left.

''If the government wants to put offshore processing beyond legal doubt
by amending the Migration Act, the Coalition's prepared to work with
the government to bring that about,'' Mr Abbott said.

''We don't want the government to use the High Court's decision as an excuse to drop offshore processing.''

Mr Bowen conceded changing the Migration Act was an option but he
cautioned Nauru would not break the people smugglers because it was just
another offshore processing location, like Christmas Island. ''It just
means that people get processed and the majority get settled in
Australia. It doesn't break the model.''

He also cautioned that the High Court ruling made it unworkable to send
unaccompanied minors to Nauru or Manus Island, which is Coalition
policy, and suggested that could not be simply fixed with legislation.
''This is a matter I think everybody needs to reflect on,'' Mr Bowen
said.

One government source said even if it cut a deal with Mr Abbott, he
would then wedge Labor further by demanding it reintroduce temporary
protection visas.

The ALP Left is warning of internal warfare
if offshore processing is revisited.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-offers-pm-asylum-escape-route-20110904-1jskx.html#ixzz1WzuzKCZY

true lilly Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:35 am

Strong support for Eureka Stadium upgrade push
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One thing was made clear
in the rapid public response
to The Courier’s campaign to
"Think Big" about the
Eureka Stadium upgrade:
Ballarat is a passionate football town.
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Strong support for
Eureka Stadium upgrade push

04 Sep, 2011 11:20 PM

One thing was made clear in the rapid public response to The
Courier’s campaign to "Think Big" about the Eureka Stadium upgrade:
Ballarat is a passionate football town.While some worried that the
project might ignore grass roots football and grounds and others worried
that Eureka might not draw the crowds, the majority were quick to throw
their support behind an idea that has enormous potential for the city.

Dozens of comments came flooding in to The Courier’s website on the first day
of the campaign, with a majority seeing the potential of the broader
vision.

Comments ranged from the simply enthusiastic to those who had already seen the
financial benefits AFL games have brought to other cities like Launceston and Darwin.

But The Courier wants to reiterate that the campaign to develop Eureka into
a sports and major events precinct is about a lot more than football.

It is about developing an educational hub for sports science and a place where
grassroots football has access to the best facilities.

Meanwhile, Ballarat was again in the AFL spotlight yesterday at the fourth
annual Eureka Game at Etihad Stadium, while debate raged online about the
push to host AFL games in the city.

While Richmond and North Melbourne went to battle in the Ballarat-themed match,
the campaign to upgrade Eureka Stadium was the hot topic on The Courier website.

The Eureka Game is the brainchild of AFL legend Kevin Sheedy, who proposed
the match in 2008 to further educate football followers on how the Eureka Rebellion
shaped Australian democracy.

The “Think big Ballarat” Eureka Stadium campaign polarised opinion
over the weekend, with more than 25 comments posted online.

The campaign, launched by The Courier on Saturday, is urging the community
to push for a massive upgrade of Eureka Stadium to host AFL home and
away matches. Ballarat City Council has already committed to the upgrade
and has conducted a pre-feasibility study but significant funding is still required
for the project to get off the ground.

The Labor state government promised $30 million for the project last year,
but lost the election.

Opinions were divided over the weekend, however the majority of readers
were in support of the upgrade campaign.

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CLOSER: AFL games at Eureka Stadium
could soon become a reality,
after the stadium secured more funding
towards boosting its facilities.

29 Jul, 2011 12:26 PM

EUREKA Stadium has taken a nearly $1 million step forward
in its bid to host AFL games.

It has received a $921,000 Sport and Recreation Victoria grant
to boost both its new Centre of Excellence and its community facilities.

North Ballarat Sports Club chief executive officer Mark Patterson
said the improvements would hopefully be a "stepping stone"
to attracting AFL games.

The Centre of Excellence will be developed within the current stadium
and will be used mainly by TAC Cup and VFL players.

true lilly Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:08 am

Students can pay to skip Year 12

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STUDENTS who pay $7800
can secure direct entry
into all of the
University of Adelaide's
bachelor degrees
based on their Year 11 results.

Foundation Studies Program sells entry to University of Adelaide
Education Editor Sheradyn Holderhead
From: The Advertiser
September 05, 2011 12:00AM

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The Foundation Studies Program
lets students pay to get into
the University of Adelaide
without passing Year 12.
Source: The Advertiser

STUDENTS who pay $7800 can secure direct entry into all of the
University of Adelaide's bachelor degrees based on their Year 11
results.

Students who complete the university's Foundation Studies Program,
dubbed "uni without Year 12", offered through Eynesbury College,
receive assured direct entry into all of its bachelor degrees.

Parent and student groups have questioned the program's fairness,
criticising a system they say effectively allows students to buy their way
into university.

Entry into the program requires only successful completion of Year 11.

The flyer promoting the program states: "Students offered a place in the
FSP will no longer have to compete with thousands of others as they are
given a conditional offer of admission to their preferred Bachelor
degree at the University. This means no SACE and no SATAC application."

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Most South Australian Year 12 students who apply for university
must complete their SA Certificate of Education and receive an
Australian Tertiary Admissions Rank that provides a comparison to
students who have completed different subject combinations.

Using their ATAR, students apply for a place in their preferred undergraduate
course through the SA Tertiary Admissions Centre, competing for a place
based on merit.

Eynesbury College (International) director and principal Peter Millen said that upon application, students would be assessed on their ability to successfully complete
the program, which would include the prerequisite subjects the student needed
depending on their chosen degree.

Mr Millen said successful applicants would receive an offer from
the University of Adelaide that would specify a mark out of 500
they must achieve to maintain their place.
"It's a completely separate program, they are scored out of 500 so,
if for example engineering was 380, they would have to complete the program,
get 380 and have the right prerequisites," he said.

The university sets the score on a degree-by-degree basis with
"similar relativities" as ATAR scores, a spokeswoman said, however,
she was not able to provide examples.

University of Adelaide major projects and development director Lynne Broadbridge
said offering the foundation program for domestic students was about the need to
have flexible pathways and reduce the traditional barriers to university.

"Opening our foundation program offered through Eynesbury College,
which has proven successful for international students since 1994, is
a logical step to encourage local students to follow the aspirations to
higher education," she said.

SA Association of School Parent Clubs president Jenice Zerna said
it was not fair that some students would effectively be able to pay
for their university place.

"We are concerned that students are being provided with a university place
based on how much money they or their parents have," she said.

National Union of Students president Jesse Marshall said the program appeared to
be a way to get a down payment from students from wealthy backgrounds in return
for guaranteed access to its programs.
"The Federal Government levelled the playing field
when it abolished full-fee paying places," he said.

"This program appears to take us back to the days where
if you have more money you can pay your way into university."

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“Australian history is almost always picturesque;
indeed it is so curious and strange,
that it is itself the chiefest novelty the country has to offer,
and so it pushes all other novelties into second and third place.
It does not read like history but like the most beautiful lies.
And all of a fresh new sort, no mouldy old stale ones.
It is full of surprises, and adventures, and incongruities,
and contradictions, and incredibilities;
but they are all true, they all happened”.
Mark Twain:
Following the Equator [1891]

Pyramids of Destiny –
Lost Pacific Colonies
of the Bronze-Age God-Kings
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This ancient Egyptian inscription,
engraved upon a granite block,
was found by Rex Gilroy
in a secluded Moonbi Range,
New South Wales gully in May 1991.

The inscription lies amid the ruins of
an apparent collapsed temple.

The inscription reads:
“the exalted one of Heaven.
His works are here to keep safe”.
Photo copyright © Rex Gilroy 2008.

The authors refuse to blindly submit to
“political correctness”.

We present for the reader an unbiased array of evidence,
gathered throughout a lifetime’s field research,
and ask only that the reader keep an open mind
and draw their own opinion
on the ‘unwritten’ history of our ancient past.

In the words of Alexander Fleming [1881-1955]:
“Don’t let your minds be cluttered up
with the prevailing doctrine”.

Dear reader, we are about to embark upon a long journey,
back to a mysterious and long-hidden and forgotten past,
a lost history of incredible magnitude and startling revelations.

It is a history of people from the ancient
Near and Middle-East/Mediterranean civilisations
who, at the dawn of metallurgy sought out a great,
mysterious southern paradise land,
whose existence had been handed down to them
by an earlier world-exploring people, the Uru.
http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/pyramid-sequel/chapter1.html

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AURANET -
Welcome to the homesite of the
Australian Rock Art Research Association, Inc.
Robert G. Bednarik
auranet@optusnet.com.au
Pilbara

Aborigines at Pilbara petroglyph site

Arabia

Petroglyphs at Umm-Sanman, Jubbah, Saudi Arabia

Kimberley

Pictograms of the mighty Rainbow Serpent (lower right)
with some of her babies

This site is referenced by CIRS

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Wandjina’s from Australian cave art.
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Calls for Australian rock art database
David Mark
Last Updated: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:50:00 1000

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Traditional Owner Margaret Katherine
sits outside the rock art gallery
Gabarnmung in west Arnhem Land
in the Northern Territory. [ABC]
http://australianetworknews.com/stories/201105/3231545.htm?desktop

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Interaction between humans and megafauna
depicted in Australian rock art?
Kim Akerman
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Figure 1. The northern Kimberley region of Western Australia,
an area rich in ancient rock art.
Click to enlarge.

Introduction
In March 2009 Tim Willing and I reported the existence of a sizeable
painting of a large striped animal, discovered near the western shore of
the Admiralty Gulf in the north-west Kimberley region of Western
Australia, that we believed represented the extinct Marsupial Lion Thylacoleo carnifex
(Akerman & Willing 2009). Subsequently, Don MacLeod, a friend
resident in the remote northern Kimberley (Figure 1), forwarded an image
of a painting that seems to depict a hunter in the act of spearing, or
fending off, a striped animal somewhat larger than himself. MacLeod had
originally been shown the painting by Mr Ray Lanaghan, who works
seasonally in the Kimberley.

The Drysdale River image
Located on an isolated pinnacle on the lower reaches of the Drysdale
River, the art work consists of a human engaging with an animal
(Figure 2). A second human figure, seen isolated to the lower left of the
animal, may possibly be part of the entire composition, but will not be
discussed further in this paper. The new painting, unlike the 1830mm
long Thylacoleo painting described by Akerman and Willing (2009),
is exceptionally small: the entire composition is only c.500mm
across. As the original set of images sent to me was of reasonably high
resolution I was able to create a faithful black and white image of the
hunter/animal combination (Figure 3) and offer the following reading of
the image:
Figure 3 shows a large, striped animal with a long tail and
massive forequarters. The position of the penis, shown beneath the tail
indicates that a male marsupial rather than a placental animal, such as a
dog, is being depicted. To the right of the chest of the animal is a
human figure which appears to be spearing, or fending off, the animal by
means of a long spear with many, uniserially arranged barbs. The image
is thought to have been made in a single event, with an economy of
action. Using a brush charged with a relatively dry load of pigment, the
artist has painted the spearshaft and barbs, and the arms of the hunter
with a series of single strokes; the tail and stripes on the animal are
similarly executed. The head and thoracic region of the animal and rear
and forelimbs are filled in using numerous strokes, as are the head,
body and legs of the hunter.

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Figure 2. Panel showing hunter apparently spearing,
or fending off, a large striped animal.
Drysdale River, Kimberley, Western Australia
(image courtesy of D. MacLeod).
Click to enlarge.

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Figure 3. Detailed black and white image taken from the original
picture sent by D. MacLeod.
Total width approximately 300 mm.
Click to enlarge.

The hunter grasps the spear with both hands as if to either stab the
animal or fend off an attack. Multibarbed spears are common in the early
phases of the rock art of the region but are not present in the more
recent rock art (Walsh & Morwood 1999). Barbed spears of any type
were not used in northern Kimberley in the early historic period. The
usual spear form was one with a composite reed and hardwood shaft tipped
with a bifacially pressure-flaked, serrated edged stone point - the
so-called 'Kimberley Point' (Akerman & Bindon 1996; Akerman 2006).

That the picture is of some antiquity is further reinforced by the fact
that the hunter is using the spear without a spearthrower. As Walsh and
Morwood place the appearance of the spearthrower in rock art at about
the Clothes Peg Figure (CPF) Period (1999: 49-50), it is possible that
the Drysdale painting belongs to an even earlier phase of the rock art
of the region. Although simply depicted, the human figure appears either
to wear a simple conical headdress, or perhaps the hair bound into a
chignon.

In 1996 Welch addressed the issue of simple human figures in the rock
art of the Kimberley, finding that they appear virtually throughout the
entire sequence of art from the earliest to most recent (Welch 1996:
73). Commenting at my request on the Drysdale River image, Welch noted: 'I
would describe it as a "simple figure painted at the time of the
Tasselled Figures" or you might say a "simple figure from the Bradshaw
Period"' (Welch pers. comm. 25 June 2009).

There is a tendency, in much of the rock art of northern Australia in
compositions showing humans and animals interacting, to depict the
faunal component of the composition as significantly larger than the
human element (Welch 2004: 47-56), Welch suggests that the disparity in
size between human and animal may reflect any of a number of possible
scenarios that reflect the possible mythic or ceremonial significance of
the primary image, its importance as a food source, or an attempt by
the artist to indicate perspective (Welch 2004: 55).

I consider that the Drysdale River composition clearly shows either a
hunter attacking or defending himself from an animal. There is no
separation between human and animal in the picture - they are intimately
linked via the spear. It may be that the animal is, or rather was,
larger than the human and the scene depicts an actual event.

In some of the early rock art previously considered to represent
hunting or fighting scenes spears are either carried in one hand, or
appear to be lying behind or lodged in the victim and separate from the
spear thrower (see Donaldson 2007: 21, Figure 1.44). This suggests that
spears were not thrust but thrown at their targets. While it is possible
that the hunter is depicted attacking the animal, the two-handed grasp
with which he holds the spear, and the apparent buckling of the spear as
it makes contact with the animal's chest, suggests that he is in fact
defending himself from an attack.

What of the animal itself? Recent practice has considered all large
striped, quadrupedal animal forms depicted in ancient rock art to be the
so-called Tasmanian tiger or thylacine (Thylacinus cynocephalus),
a medium to large, dog-like marsupial, with striped hindquarters. There
is evidence however, that humans in the Kimberley were familiar with
the now extinct marsupial lion Thylacoleo carnifex (Akerman & Willing 2009).
There is also a matter of comparative size. Thylacoleo carnifex
is estimated to weigh between 130 and 160kg, while a large thylacine
had a maximum weight of about 45kg (Wroe 1999: 60-1, 2000: 49).

Faced with newly discovered rock art images a reconsideration of the
identity of the animals depicted in the rock art of the region may be
apposite: some, previously presumed to be thylacines, may have to be
re-assessed. A copy of the image was sent to palaeontologists Rod Wells
and John Long, who both informed me that the animal appeared to be more
likely to represent a thylacoleo than a thylacine. Steve Webb, an
archaeologist familiar with Australia's ancient megafauna, provided a
similar opinion.

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Figure 4. Close-up of the Drysdale River animal
showing massive forequarters in relation to the slender hind limbs.
Click to enlarge.

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Figure 5. Drawing of the detail of the Drysdale River animal.
Approximate size 150mm.
Click to enlarge.

On isolating the Drysdale River animal from the composition and
focusing on it in isolation (Figures 4 & 5) we see an animal with a
relatively long body and long tail with deep chest and quite massive
forelimb and front paw. The head is small in relation to the rest of the
animal. As noted earlier it is a male and is striped across the rear
half of the body. It is possible that the animal depicted is a thylacine
- albeit a very robust one. In my own view, however, a thylacoleo or
Marsupial Lion is represented here (for relevant aspects of the anatomy
of this animal see Akerman & Willing 2009).

If this is the case we have here a second picture of this unusual
element of the now extinct suite of Australian megafauna. Regardless of
species, it is the only example of Australian rock art that I am aware
of in which humans and extinct marsupials are shown unmistakably
interacting.

There has been much debate about the role played by the ancestors of
the Australian Aboriginals in the extinction of the Australian
megafauna. Important papers on this debate in the last decade include
those by Roberts et al. (2001), Wroe and Fields (2001), and
Gillespie (2004). The argument seems to rest on whether there is any
real evidence for the late survival of megafauna. One also needs to be
reminded of the definition of megafauna provided by Roberts et al.
(2001: 1888): 'Twenty-three of the 24 genera of Australian land animals
weighing more than 45kg (which, along with a few smaller species
constituted the "megafauna") were extinct by the late Quaternary' (my
emphasis).

While Aboriginal people were possibly not killing the big end of the
megafaunal spectrum it must be remembered that prior to the introduction
of metal, Australian Aborigines were successfully taking the larger
kangaroos (Red Kangaroos may weigh up to 90kg, Grey Kangaroos up to 70kg
and Antelopine Kangaroos up to 49 kg) as well as the marine dwelling
dugong (420 kg) with spears and harpoons with wooden points.

If, as Roberts et al. (2001) and Gillespie (2004) suggest, the
Australian megafauna was wiped out by 45000-46000 years ago then we
should consider the possibility that the painting may be of similar
antiquity. My own view, however, is that it is more likely to belong in
the more recent, but as yet undated, early Bradshaw (or Gwion Gwion)
phase of early Australian Aboriginal rock art. The only date (17500±1800
years BP) available at present for the early art of the Kimberley was
obtained using OSL dating of mud-wasp nests overlaying a painting '
...which looks archaic, and may be related to the Bradshaw style'
(Roberts et al 1997: 697). It is more likely that the age of the Drysdale River
composition would fall between 15000 and 22000 years ago (or about the
time of the last glacial Maximum) rather than the much older 46000 years
suggested for megafaunal extinction. In this case it may be that some
megafauna did hang on in wetter areas of the continent until more recent
times as suggested by Wells (1985: 228 for Thylacoleo carnifex)
and Wroe, Field and Fullagar (2002: 60-1).

If such a carnivore as thylacoleo was still present in the landscape
at this period it suggests that megafaunal prey species were also present.
Attention is drawn to the painting found in a shelter at Deaf Adder Creek
in western Arnhem Land, identified as a marsupial tapir (Palorchestes azeal) and
described by Chaloupka (1993: 100). Following this line of argument even further,
it may be that, as natural prey species declined, thylacoleos turned to humans
as a source of food - and the Drysdale River composition reflects such an encounter.

Conclusion
The Drysdale River painting may be the first direct evidence of an
interaction between a human and a now-extinct animal in ancient
Australia. The scene can be interpreted as a hunting scene but it is
equally possible that it shows a human defending himself from an
attacking animal. While it is possible that the painting depicts a
thylacine, the likelihood that it represents a thylacoleo must be
seriously considered. If so, this would be the second picture found in
the early rock art of the Kimberley showing this animal and it may be
that more such images await discovery or identification.

Acknowledgements
First and foremost I would like to thank Gertrude Waina as
representative of the Waina family of Kalumburu - the traditional owners
of the area in which the painting is located - for allowing me to write
up this marvelous and important piece of rock art. I thank Father
Anscar McPhee of the Kalumburu Mission for facilitating communications
between myself and the Waina family. I also wish to thank Ray Lanaghan
and Don MacLeod for finding the painting and drawing my attention to it.
David Welch generously gave me his opinion of the stylistic
affiliations of the human figure. John Long, of the Museum of Victoria,
Melbourne, Rod Wells, of the School of Biological Sciences, Flinders
University, South Australia and Steve Webb, Faculty of Humanities and
Social Sciences, Bond University, Queensland, examined the images and
generously gave me their considered opinions on the identity of the
animal depicted. I thank them all for their interest and support.

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Author
Kim Akerman
4 Dorset St, Moonah, Tasmania 7009,
Australia (Email: kimakerman@tastel.net.au)

Job 41:1
Canst thou draw out ⁴⁹⁰⁰ leviathan ³⁸⁸²
with an hook ²⁴⁴³?
or his tongue ³⁹⁵⁶ with a cord ²²⁵⁶
[which] thou lettest down ⁸²⁵⁷?

Job 40:15
Behold now behemoth ⁹³⁰,
which I made ⁶²¹³ with thee;
he eateth ³⁹⁸ grass ²⁶⁸² as an ox ¹²⁴¹.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Job&c=40&t=KJV#comm/1

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Australian Archaeology (ISSN 0312-2417),
the official publication of the Australian Archaeological Association Inc.,
is a refereed journal published since 1974.

It accepts original articles in all fields of archaeology
and other subjects relevant to archaeological
research and practice in Australia and nearby areas.

Australian Archaeology is published twice a year, in June and December.

Australian Archaeology is indexed in the
Arts and Humanities
Citation Index of the ISI Web of Knowledge,
SCOPUS, Australian Public
Affairs Information Service (APAIS)
and Anthropological Literature and
Anthropological Index Online.

Australian Archaeology is ranked as a tier A journal
by the Australian Research Council,
European Reference Index for the Humanities
and
French Agence d’Evaluation
de la Recherche et de l’Enseignement Supérieur.

To view the supplementary material, click on the volume,
and follow the links for the desired article in the list of contents.

World’s oldest ground-edge implement
discovered in northern Australia
date:
05/11/10
The oldest ground-edge stone tool in the world has been discovered in
Northern Australia by a Monash University researcher and a team of
international experts.

Evidence for stone tool-use among our earliest hominid ancestors
dates to 3.4 million years ago, however, the first use of grinding to
sharpen stone tool edges such as axes is clearly associated with modern
humans, otherwise known as Homo sapiens sapiens.

Monash University archaeologist and member of the team who made the
discovery, Dr Bruno David said while there have been reports of much
older axes being found in New Guinea, the implements were not ground.

“This suggests that axe technology evolved into the later use of
grinding for the sharper, more symmetrical and maintainable edges this
generates,” said Dr David.

“The ground-axe fragment is dated to 35,000 years ago, which
pre-dates the oldest examples of ground-edge implements dated to
22,000-30,000 years ago from Japan and Northern Australia.”

Archaeological excavations undertaken in May 2010 at Nawarla Gabarnmang
in Northern Australia uncovered the artefact.

Nawarla Gabarnmang is a large rockshelter in Jawoyn Aboriginal
country in southwestern Arnhem Land. The discovery of the rockshelter
was made by Ray Whear and Chris Morgan from the Jawoyn Association while
flying by helicopter on 15 June 2006.

The discovery of the axe was made by a team of researchers including
Jean-Michel Geneste from the Centre National de Prehistoire of the
Ministry of Culture in France, Hugues Plisson from the Centre National
de la Recherche Scientifique at the University of Bordeaux in France,
Christopher Clarkson from the University of Queensland, Jean-Jacques
Delannoy from the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique at the
University de Savoie in France and Fiona Petchey from the University of
Waikato in New Zealand.

“Axes fulfilled a unique position within the Aboriginal toolkit as
long use-life chopping tools, were labour intensive to manufacture and
highly valued,” said Dr David.

“During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, axes were understood
by local Aboriginal communities to carry with them the ancestral forces
which characterised the particular quarry from which they came,”

“Their trade across the landscape moved not just the tool itself, but
more importantly the symbolic and ancestral forces of their point of
origin. The Nawarla Gabarnmang axe, found some 40km from its source, is
evidence of 35,000 years of the movement of tools, technologies and
ideas across the northern Australian landscape,”

“This new evidence for the earliest securely dated ground-edge
implement in the world indicates that Australia was an important locale
of technological innovation 35,000 years ago.”

“This discovery will assist researchers in Australia and around the
world as we examine the evolution of human behaviour and the earliest
technological advancements,” said Dr David.

The find is reported in the December issue of Australian Archaeology,
the official journal of the Australian Archaeological Association Inc.
The project was funded by the Federal Government’s Indigenous Heritage
Program administered by the Department of Environment, Water, Heritage
and the Arts.

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Figure 1. Nawarla Gabarnmung: The site.

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Figure 2. The Pleistocene ground-edge fragment
from Nawarla Gabarnmang.
Grinding striations are clearly visible on the surface of
the artefact (inset).

contact name:
Megan Gidley; Peter Veth

organisation:
Media & Communications, Monash University;
Media Officer, Australian Archaeology

phone:
Megan Gidley + 61 3 9903 4843
email: Peter Veth

SHORTAGE OF ARCHAEOLOGISTS
FOR AUSTRALIAN JOB MARKET
date: 06/07/2009
Professor Tim Murray, a leading Australian Archaeologist,
has argued in the Weekend Australian of July 4-5,
that there is a global shortage of archaeologists.

Specifically, he notes that a rebound in the resources
sector will create additional demand for appropriately qualified and
experienced heritage consultants.

The Australian National Committee for Archaeology Teaching and Learning
has established a Register of consultants willing to give undergraduates
work experience (see this AAA home website).

The Rudd Government's infrastructure initiatives raise
the spectre of rapidly increasing volumes of land use and permit
applications - of which archaeological/heritage compliances are an
integral component.

contact name:
1) Professor Tim Murray and 2) Professor Peter Veth

contact position:
1) Dean of Humanities and Social Sciences La Trobe
and 2) AAA Media Liaison Officer,
ANU National Centre for Indigenous Studies

organisation:
La Trobe University
phone:
02 6125 9321
email:
T.Murray@latrobe.edu.au; peter.veth@anu.edu.au
http://www.australianarchaeologicalassociation.com.au/australian_archaeology

Exploding star recorded in Aboriginal Dreamtime
By:Heather Catchpole
November-11-2010
Aboriginal Australians recorded an eruption of a bright star
150 years ago and wove it into their Dreamtime stories.
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A volatile outburst from one of the twin stars Eta Carinae.
A similar outburst was recorded by Aboriginal Australians. (NASA)

LONG BEFORE THE WORD astronomy was even coined,
Aboriginal Australians were gazing into the night sky
and documenting its events,
weaving them into their Dreamtime stories.

Australian researchers have recently discovered that the eruption of a huge star
150 years ago was recorded and incorporated into the traditions of an
Australian Aboriginal community living near Lake Tyrell in north-western
Victoria.

"This event is a prime example that Aboriginal Australians were astute observers of
the night sky," says Duane Hamacher, a PhD candidate studying Aboriginal astronomy
at Macquarie University in Sydney.

In the late 1830s, the larger of the twin stars of Eta Carinae in
the constellation Carina, about 8,000 light-years away from Earth,
began a two-decade outburst that ejected hot gas with a mass nearly 20 times
as much as the Sun. "At its peak it was the second brightest star in the night sky,
after Sirius," says Dr David Frew, an astronomer at Macquarie University.
After the outburst, the star's brightness faded until recent decades.

The constellation Carina (left) and a sketch (right)
of how John Morieson believes the Boorong would have seen
the wife of Crow, as a bird in flight, a graceful one at that,
probably with the wind coming from the left of the picture.
The larger dot is Eta Carinae.

Connecting the dots
The Boorong people of Lake Tyrell appear to have woven the event into their
oral traditions as the character 'Collowgullouric War', the wife of the
crow called 'War' (pronounced "Waa"), who is identified as the star
Canopus. War was described as the first being to bring fire from above
and give it to the Aboriginal people.

Prior to the supernova-like
outburst of the star, it is unclear which star may have been attributed
to War's wife, Duane says. In the Boorong legends, husband and wives
were often represented by stars of equal brightness.

This astronomical knowledge was told to Victorian pastoralist and
philanthropist, William Stanbridge, who presented the first paper on
Aboriginal astronomy to the Philosophical Society of Victoria in 1857.
William Stanbridge himself was unaware of the link between the oral
tradition and the star's eruption, says Duane, and it took 150 years for
someone to finally make the connection.

Duane and David have published their findings in the November issue of the Journal of Astronomical History & Heritage.

Amateur historian John Morieson has worked in Victorian Aboriginal communities
for many years, and wrote an unpublished thesis on the Boorong people in
1996 while at Melbourne University. He says that the star was likely
known to the Boorong before it brightened with the outburst.

Evolving Dreamtime
As with many celestial events which gave rise to new Dreamtime stories,
the Carinae eruption may have led to the adaptation of the crow
legend. Duane says the fact that William Stanbridge described the star
as "bright red" is significant, as it was neither bright nor red prior
to its outburst, and could mean it wasn't noted by the Boorong before
that time. "It's a good example of how Aboriginal Dreamings are dynamic
and evolving, sometimes incorporating significant celestial events," he
says.

Aboriginal Australians understood and incorporated transient celestial phenomena
into their culture, in some cases making clear connections between meteors and
meteorites, for example, or the mechanics of the Sun-Moon-Earth system during
an eclipse, he adds.

Duane's supervisor, astronomer Ray Norris, from CSIRO Astronomy and Space
Science in Sydney, says traditional stories of eclipses, describe the
'Sun woman' and 'Moon man' making love, explaining why the light from
one is covered by the body of another. "This is exactly how we
understand it in western science but couched in a different language,"
he says.

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Aboriginal artist Esther Kirby's impression of the story of constellation Canis Major.
The moon, Mityan (quoll), lusted after one of Unurgunite's wives.
Unurgunite fights him and the Moon has been forced to wander the heavens ever since.

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Colourful granite rocks at
Croajingolong National Park in
Gippsland, Victoria.
Photo Credit: Don Fuchs
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Polar dinosaur trackways
found in Victoria
By:Campbell Phillips
August-11-2011

Palaeontologists have discovered
the most extensive cache of dino footprints
in southern Australia.

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Tom Rich at Melanesia Beach
with the dinosaur footprints.
(Credit: Museum Victoria)

EACH AROUND THE SIZE of a human handprint, several
dozen steps recorded in the sand 100 million years ago make up the
largest collection of the dinosaur footprints ever found in Victoria.
Discovered in two sandstone blocks at Melanesia Beach near Cape Otway,
this is only the fourth time dinosaur footprints have been found in the
state.

One block is of particular interest, as it contains the
first known dinosaur trackway (sequence of steps) ever found in
Victoria: three footprints made by a small carnivorous dinosaur about
105 million years ago during the Early Cretaceous period.

"This is the most significant dinosaur track discovery in Victoria," says Dr
Tom Rich, a palaeontologist at Museum Victoria in Melbourne, and
co-author of a paper detailing the find. "There are at least 24 dinosaur
tracks [here], made by a variety of dinosaurs."

Creating a good impression

"What is significant about dinosaur footprints - as opposed to dinosaur bones
or teeth - is the evidence of the presence of dinosaurs," says Tom.
"The trace fossils tell us how the dinosaurs were living in the area at the time."

"Fossil footprints in Australia are quite rare and can reveal new information
about the types of dinosaurs there were in the area," adds Dr Aaron Camens,
a marsupial trackways expert at the University of Adelaide. "Well preserved prints
can tell us what the fleshed foot of the animal looked like. They can be used to
examine how the animal walked, and trackways can even yield information about speed,
movement and behaviour."

Tom and his coworkers believe the footprints were made by ornithomimosaurs
or 'bird-mimic' dinosaurs that ranged in size from a rooster to a cassowary.
"We can estimate the speed - somewhere between 7 and 9 km/h - based on
the spacing of the tracks and the size of the tracks," says Tom. "We also can
estimate the height of the animal, probably about four times the maximum length
of the tracks."

The prints were left by animals that were likely to have
been different ages and were walking over swampy ground created as snow
melted across floodplains in the spring. At this time Victoria would
have been within the Antarctic Circle, and would have been cold and
completely dark for much of the year.

"These prints differ from others found in the region as they are made by
[carnivorous] theropod dinosaurs instead of [herbivorous] ornithopods,"
says Dr Steve Salisbury, a palaeontologist at the University of Queensland
who was not involved in the research. "It's hard to put these footprints into
context. It may be that the prints were made at a similar time, but even
that's hard to confirm, given how they were found on the beach."

Get in on the act

One of the sandstone slabs was first spotted by local landowner Greg
Denney. Professor Pat Vickers-Rich a palaeontologist at Monash University
and co-author of the paper describes Greg as "one of the world's best dino trackers."

Both Pat and Steve encourage interested members of the public to look for
these types of fossils. "Iffootprints have already been found in a certain spot,
that's always a good place to look for more," Steve says. "But in a lot of cases
it can be hard for the untrained eye to tell if a footprint is dinosaurian."

The key is to have any potential find verified but leave it undisturbed,
Steve says. "Taking photos is a great way to find out if you have
something of interest, but unless you know the law for the area you are
in, it is always best not to disturb a new find. I was just in the Kimberley,
where there are many footprints and tracksites that are very important to
the local aboriginal culture." he says. "To take any of those fossils would be
a serious offence."

The discovery was published this week in Alcheringa: An Australasian Journal of Palaeontology. See a video of Tom Rich talking about the discovery here.

true lilly Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:10 pm

true lilly wrote:
44 ...
It's All About Numbers And Codes

Grid 44

Becker and Hagens' Planetary Grid system
places balanced Grid Point 44 in Southern Australia.

Glyph at Grid Point 44 shows Anubis

Egypt, Australia Connection,
Ancient Glyphs

'they' can't bear the thought of Justice .

'they' would rather 'destroy all flesh' ,
than give up all 'they've' taken.

Tuff!
God told 'em He wouldn't allow that.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3070
tintin wrote:

Robinson Crusoe: Offenbach

Operette by JACQUES OFFENBACH.
OFFENBACH is a city in germany.

Here the mayor of OFFENBACH, Horst Schneider.

Schneider: Robinson

HORST SCHNEIDER born on day 44 and
Nr 44 is married to ROBINSON.

Robinson: War
Make War!
Winner takes it all: Elaine
ELAINE is the b side of THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL.
(WINNING and LOSING. LOSER ends up with NOTHING)

ROBINSON CRUSOE Island is part of CHILE.
CHILE constitution dates 11 SEPTEMBER 1980.
21 years after Chile

911 was 21 years after the CHILE CONSTITUTION.
21 dead in the ROBINSON CRUSOE crash.
BREIVIK killed on day 203 on UTOYA. 23 = 666.

Breivik: Robinson

BREIVIK born on day 44.
Nr 44 married to ROBINSON and BREIVIK killed on
a little ROBINSON ISLAND on a FRIDAY.
Aborigines Were the First Americans
Aborigines Were the First Americans BBC - August 27, 1999 - BBC

tintin wrote:
28-10-2007, 02:36 PM #421

For people who think that THE WIZARD of OZ has
nothing to do with AUSTRALIA.

That is the UNOFFICIAL national song of Australia.

Frank baum, the WRITER of the OZ series.

MATILDA joslyn cage.

Mother in law of Frank baum.

MATILDA lived half of the
time in Frank Baum's home.

Frank Baum very much connected to the town
of SYRACUSE.

It was in SYRACUSE that Archimedes SHOUTED

And it's the EUREKA in Ballarat, Australia they are meaning.

AUSTRALIA is the BIG SECRET.

true lilly wrote:30-10-2007, 04:00 AM

#482

Right,
GIBRALTAR,
PILLARS of HERCULES,
a "SEAGATE"....

30 October 2007, 00:27 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/default.stm

Seagate has been in the area for 10 years
More than 900 computer jobs to go
Seagate Technology's base in Limavady,
Co Londonderry,
is to close with the loss of hundreds of jobs.

N IRELAND'S BIG PICTURE

A wall-walking gargoyle provided some thrills at a Halloween howler event
at Carrickfergus Castle in County Antrim over the weekend.

Funny, but combine
"SEAGATE"
and a CANNON on the COAST,
and instantly I'm reminded that
in BOTH WORLD WARS,
The FIRST SHOTS BY
THE BRITISH EMPIRE
were FIRED FROM
AUSTRALIA!

Prehistoric man went to the movies,
say researchers

June 29, 2010
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Theancientab

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Close

The
ancient Aboriginal rock carving
known as 'Climbing Man' (C)
is shown in
this photo taken on
the Burrup Peninsula in Australia in 2008.

Prehistoric man enjoyed
a primitive version of cinema,
according to
Austrian and British researchers,
who are currently seeking to
recreate
these ancient visual displays.

true lilly Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:57 pm

true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
44 ...
It's All About Numbers And Codes

Grid 44

Becker and Hagens' Planetary Grid system
places balanced Grid Point 44 in Southern Australia.

Glyph at Grid Point 44 shows Anubis

Egypt, Australia Connection,
Ancient Glyphs

'they' can't bear the thought of Justice .

'they' would rather 'destroy all flesh' ,
than give up all 'they've' taken.

Tuff!
God told 'em He wouldn't allow that.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3070
tintin wrote:

Robinson Crusoe: Offenbach

Operette by JACQUES OFFENBACH.
OFFENBACH is a city in germany.

Here the mayor of OFFENBACH, Horst Schneider.

Schneider: Robinson

HORST SCHNEIDER born on day 44 and
Nr 44 is married to ROBINSON.

Robinson: War
Make War!
Winner takes it all: Elaine
ELAINE is the b side of THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL.
(WINNING and LOSING. LOSER ends up with NOTHING)

ROBINSON CRUSOE Island is part of CHILE.
CHILE constitution dates 11 SEPTEMBER 1980.
21 years after Chile

911 was 21 years after the CHILE CONSTITUTION.
21 dead in the ROBINSON CRUSOE crash.
BREIVIK killed on day 203 on UTOYA. 23 = 666.

Breivik: Robinson

BREIVIK born on day 44.
Nr 44 married to ROBINSON and BREIVIK killed on
a little ROBINSON ISLAND on a FRIDAY.
Aborigines Were the First Americans
Aborigines Were the First Americans BBC - August 27, 1999 - BBC

tintin wrote:
28-10-2007, 02:36 PM #421

For people who think that THE WIZARD of OZ has
nothing to do with AUSTRALIA.

That is the UNOFFICIAL national song of Australia.

Frank baum, the WRITER of the OZ series.

MATILDA joslyn cage.

Mother in law of Frank baum.

MATILDA lived half of the
time in Frank Baum's home.

Frank Baum very much connected to the town
of SYRACUSE.

It was in SYRACUSE that Archimedes SHOUTED

And it's the EUREKA in Ballarat, Australia they are meaning.

AUSTRALIA is the BIG SECRET.

true lilly wrote:30-10-2007, 04:00 AM

#482

Right,
GIBRALTAR,
PILLARS of HERCULES,
a "SEAGATE"....

30 October 2007, 00:27 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/default.stm

Seagate has been in the area for 10 years
More than 900 computer jobs to go
Seagate Technology's base in Limavady,
Co Londonderry,
is to close with the loss of hundreds of jobs.

N IRELAND'S BIG PICTURE

A wall-walking gargoyle provided some thrills at a Halloween howler event
at Carrickfergus Castle in County Antrim over the weekend.

Funny, but combine
"SEAGATE"
and a CANNON on the COAST,
and instantly I'm reminded that
in BOTH WORLD WARS,
The FIRST SHOTS BY
THE BRITISH EMPIRE
were FIRED FROM
AUSTRALIA!

Prehistoric man went to the movies,
say researchers

June 29, 2010
The
ancient Aboriginal rock carving
known as 'Climbing Man' (C)
is shown in
this photo taken on
the Burrup Peninsula in Australia in 2008.

Prehistoric man enjoyed
a primitive version of cinema,
according to
Austrian and British researchers,
who are currently seeking to
recreate
these ancient visual displays.

Why so many Moderators at ?

To prevent THOSE OF US 'THEY' ARE BETRAYING,
FROM BEING SHOWN 'THEIR' ACTUAL PLOTS.

Coat of Arms of
John of Gaunt,
First Duke of Lancaster

Coat of arms of John of Gaunt
asserting his kingship over
Castile and Leon,
combining
the Castilian castle and lion
with lilies of France,
the
lions of England
and his heraldic difference
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http://www.ssaa.org.au/capital-news/2008/2008-11-10_an-uncompromising-patriot-bob-katter-mp.html
An uncompromising patriot:
Bob Katter MP
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Irwin won't contest Ashgrove seat at election
Melinda Howells
Updated
September 05, 2011 13:10:21
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Photo: Mr Irwin has told ABC Radio
he does not like what he has learnt about politics
since the approach.
(Greg White : Reuters - file photo)

Related Story:
Bob Irwin considers tilt at politics

Map: Ashgrove 4060

Environmental campaigner Bob Irwin
says he will not contest the Brisbane seat of Ashgrove
at the next Queensland election.

The Queensland Party approached Mr Irwin to run
against Labor's Kate Jones and Liberal National Party
(LNP) leader Campbell Newman.

However, the Queensland Party is now facing deregistration
after leader Aidan McLindon defected
to federal MP Bob Katter's Australian Party.

Mr Irwin has told ABC Radio he does not like
what he has learnt about politics since the approach.

"I've decided that I've got no confidence in our political system
to protect our environment and so I've decided to use all my endeavours
to continue to be a wildlife activist," he said.

"I feel that if I had the added responsibility of being a political-type person
then I just very well may let my animal friends down."

Mr Irwin says he has concerns about Mr Katter's views on environmental issues,
and does not have confidence the political system can protect the environment.

Mr McLindon says he was not aware of Mr Irwin's concerns.

"Bob certainly hasn't explained that to me." he said.
"Obviously it would have been a factor for him to consider."
Mr McLindon says he accepts Mr Irwin's decision.

"I support his decision 100 per cent as he's seen politics
can be a pretty nasty game out there," Mr McLindon said.

"I think the reality is he's going to be very effective on the outside to keep
championing his causes and I look forward to working with him in the future."
____________________________________________________________________
1 September 2011 marks one year since
the Australian Greens signed an
historic agreement with
Prime Minister Julia Gillard's Labor Government.

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The Gillard agreement has achieved outcomes for Australians
in terms of passage of bills and lack of confrontation between the houses.

We have consultation instead of confrontation.
The agreement was reached after the Greens
secured a breakthrough win with
Adam Bandt in the lower house seat of Melbourne
and a record number of senators,
and contains detailed policy and accountability mechanisms.

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It's Alright, Ma I'm Only Bleeding
with Lyrics
https://youtu.be/Ietp9Gl5Cco

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Yep, BULLSHIT! &"funny"
how David Icke Left
AUSTRALIA, OZ, O'Zion
OFF the map of 'his' world...
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O, OZ, IN OZ, O'Zion
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[quote="true lilly"]Quote:

Originally Posted by cycles of time
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mayans/aztecs and other indiginious of that region believe that death is just the gateway to another more spiritual plane of life. they honour death. much of the sacrifices that took place were voluntary.

and pyramids were the easiest structures to build . its common sense when it comes to architecture.

Sounds 'comforting' don't it. "SWEET WORDS THAT TICKLE THE EAR".

There is a reason that ISRAEL was
DELIVERED OUT OF MITSRAYIM, The AMERICAS.
DEATH WORSHIP....that was translated MUCH LATER into Egypt.

Likewise that RAINBOW/FEATHERED SERPENT in common with
both OZ and Ancient America, here in OZ, they WARN that when
it's RAISED AGAIN, ALL HEAVY SHIT HITS THE FAN!

They KNEW what they where escaping, The BEAST'S Rule!

But yes, the FIRST death is into sleep, not that bad, not anything,
just unconsciousness, but "They" twisted it out of truth and turned it
into "justification" for HUMAN SACRIFICE, and ALL the PUSHERS of
that seduction into DEATH WORSHIP, WILL are going to be MIGHTY
BLOODY SORRY when they're Resurrected from that First death,
to FACE GOD and "Have Their Account Settled".

So here again, we have two examples of people considered 'extinct',

due to those DEATH WORSHIPERS of this LAST KINGDOM Age. LOOK
CLOSELY at the face of the AUSTRALIAN standing man in the hat
and the face of the SOUTH AMERICA stone head of 'peoples unknown'.

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If you can't SEE the SAME people with the SAME style,
it can only be 'spiritual blindness'.
[quote="true lilly"]Originally Posted by vera susa
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(attached image at link below)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1673

7 + 7 + 7 = 21 = 2 + 1 = 3 = TRINITY = TRIANGLE = PYRAMID = EGYPT.

This is a DEATH/SACRIFICE CULT, "JOKE",
because as we know, there are PYRAMIDS,
ALL OVER THE WORLD, but they are mainly like these...

NOT quite "TRIANGLES like the "FAMOUS ONES" in Egypt,
but like these from the Land these people now 'said' to EXTINCT,
lived in. SOUTH AMERICA...

Like these people also 'said' to be EXTINCT,
from TASMANIA of the Land of OZ[ION]...

But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES!

The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM,
is that it causes
the TIME LINES of Human History
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED
into a SHORT period
of THE LAST KINGDOM AGE
of
TOES of IRON MINGLED with CLAY,
"as if" it is 'many' of those ages, so
WE MISS ALL THE CURRENT SIGNS
of WARNING,
and HATE and BLAME GOD
for 'not' KEEPING HIS PROMISES
instead of SEEING that in FACT,
HE HAS KEPT THEM ALL!
Ah, but I'm just "CRAZY" aren't I?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1676
Get ready for more TORAH SPAM...
...poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"...

CURSE JUDAH and BE CURSED.

Well,
GOD HAS, LONG BEEN RE-GATHERING,
JUDAH and ISRAEL
and THOSE JOINED TO THEM,
in The UNIQUELY GLORIOUS Land,
that HE DESCRIBED...
and YOU, KEEP CURSING BOTH,
RE-JOINED ISRAEL & JUDAH and
That Land From Which,
ALL THE NATIONS ARE HEALED!

Listen, BLIND FOOL...it ain't about 'size'...
I NEVER SAID it was about 'size'...
...that's your sick attachment...
your deliberate, deadly lie...

...oh, and what did happen to MY ORIGINAL Post,
that YOU SO INSANELY, HAD TO HACK into more of
YOUR, FILTHY LIES, that you call 'quotes'...
...too bad for YOU, GOD KNOWS...

(ah, found it elsewhere Smile

)

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SEE!!!
The AREA of EUROPE "SHOWN",
ON This COMPARISON.
Now, DO YOU want to do some HONEST WORK and
ADD UP ALL THOSE NATION STATES' POPULATIONS,
then ALSO COMPARE THAT!...?

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...ah, but it's THIS
that's really GOT YOUR GOAT...
Comparison of the size of
Israel vs. Australia

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Note: Israel is shown in blue.

Now, WHERE would a THINKING Person
see GOD RE-GATHERING HIS 5 to 10% REMAINING
of The World's Population?
In that recently invented, shit strip of desert, 'israel', or...

The Australian maps over the world
can help you visualize how
vast this country is.
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These overlaid Australian maps show the relative size of Australia
over the world to help in comparing it to the major other ares in the
world.
For easy comparison Australia’s land area is 7,706,168 sq
km. Europe on the other hand has a square km area of 3,483,066.
Australia is just about twice as large as all of Europe and is two
thirds as large as the continental United States.
It is
remarkable that Tourists arrive here thinking I will rent a car and
drive all over it in two weeks. For those of you who like the beach
there is about 12,000 km of beach. Plenty of room for you, your beach
chair and umbrella.

Aboriginal Art is available in all major cities but it is produced
mostly in the Northern Territory, Central Desert and Arnhem land areas
of Australia. Contact us through our contact page for more detailed maps
of those areas.
Maps Australia over the world, courtesy of www.bartelpc.com.au
Australian Maps
Aboriginal History
Home Page
Oh but remember, GOD ALSO PROMISED
to PRESERVE a RICH, STABLE LAND...and SEE,
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so many more Nations than in Europe, that populated it,
even long after it was utterly devastated,
after JOSHUAH died and ISRAEL FORGOT GOD...
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YES, THE RICHLY BLESSED, STABLE Land,
UNlike ...

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...and EVERYWHERE ELSE...

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It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...
...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED... Rolling Eyes

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THERE IS NO LAND at
THE NORTH POLE
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Quite the contrary
the South Pole
is located in a continent.

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LEBANON=WHITE=ANTARCTICA

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National Library of Australia Home > News & Events
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A reproduction of a 1566 world map by Nicolas Desliens.
With south orientated at the top,
the top left corner has a large land mass
that is claimed to be Australia,
charted from Chinese voyages.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.map-rm1898

LISTEN TO THE WORDS LONG WRITTEN DOWN...
...THE MAN, COMES AROUND...
https://youtu.be/iSPlJusBJ-E

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Map_wideweb__430x383

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Map_wideweb__430x383

Colour coding relates to topographic height,
with dark green at lower elevations,
rising through yellow and tan,
to white at the highest points.

It looks familiar, but it is no ordinary map.

It is part of the most detailed topographic map of the world
ever made, according the US space agency NASA .

For 11 days in February 2000
the space shuttle Endeavour circled the world,
using a sophisticated radar to chart all the land
between 60 degrees north and 56 degrees south,
and 80 per cent of the Earth's land was mapped
with a resolution of 90 metres.

NASA noted that Australia
was the flattest continent in the world.

"Its low average elevation (300 metres) is caused by
its position near the centre of a tectonic plate,
where there are no volcanic or other geologic forces
of the type that raise the topography of other continents.

"Prominent features of Australia
include the Lake Eyre Basin,
the darker green region visible in the centre-right.
At 16 metres below sea level, this depression is
one of the largest inland drainage systems
in the world, covering more than 1.3 million
square kilometres.

...and what happens when we STOP DRAINING...
...RE-BUILD what WAS...
ANCIENTLY, UTTERLY DEVASTATED...
...RE-BUILD the CANALS and CISTERNS...
...and RE-PLANT...and... Very Happy

COOK's ENDEAVOUR,
NASA's ENDEAVOUR
=
LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION...
...TIME & SPACE, TIME & PLACE...

...GOD'S TIME, TIMES & SIGNS...
...CRYSTAL CLEAR...DRINK IT IN,
THE WATER IS FREE...

DO bother, to drink in,
every full meaning, of every word,
and NOT only of this chapter...

Revelation 22:1-21
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=22&v=1&t=KJV#top

¹And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. ²In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was
there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded
her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing
of the nations.
³And there shall be no more curse:
but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it;
and his servants shall serve him:

⁴And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

⁵And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light
of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever
and ever.

⁶And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true:
and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew
unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

⁷Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings
of the prophecy of this book.

⁸And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard
and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which
shewed me these things.

⁹Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not:
for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets,
and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

¹⁰And he saith unto me,
Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:
for the time is at hand.

¹¹He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

¹²And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.

¹³I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.

¹⁴Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

¹⁵For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

¹⁶I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.

¹⁷And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

¹⁸For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

¹⁹And if any man shall take away from the words of
the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part
out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from
the things which are written in this book.

²⁰He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

²¹The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 W1945jul

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 W1945jul

...oh and btw,
THE SAFEGUARD GOD WROTE INTO HIS WORD,
was NOT comparing mans lying words against mans lying words,
but to TEST:
HOLY SCRIPTURE against HOLY SCRIPTURE,
and,
WHAT WAS REAL (FROM THE BEGINNING)
and IS REAL, in ALL The World and ALL The Earth,
That GOD CREATED. Because GOD CAN'T LIE,
let alone contradict HIMSELF, and as soon as you decide...

to DENY GOD'S WORD that DESCRIBED
WHAT GOOD SCIENCE keeps DISCOVERING, such as:

the water covered globe;
that one land mass was raised out of it;
LIFE EXISTED in and on the world, without death,
UNTIL Oxygen formed=The Prince of The Air/DEATH entered;
that NOAH'S TIME of RE-populating ALL The Earth with
people and The ORIGINAL KINDS of animals, WAS LONG,
BEFORE The ONE LAND MASS Started to Divide...

YOU DECIDE to FAIL THE TEST.

el kabong wrote:

...I'll see, YOUR POISON FRUIT-LOOPS...and RAISE,
with The GOOD FRUIT (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
that my Faithfulness To THE CREATOR of LIFE,
BLESSED THE WORLD WITH...
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Demi_lovisa

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Demi_lovisa

[size=18]Lovisa using Demi for a pillow

See, I was happy rescuing, healing and re-homing the lost,
but 'they' thought to tempt my pride, and got me a pedigree dog.

But, I didn't want to show (the horse world had cured me of that),
only breed good dogs to put in loving homes, and so my dogs
had to pass my tests (of safe, sound temperaments, and bodies),
in my home, on the farm, out in public, before they were chosen
as breeders.

The showing and world records that followed, were simply,
GOD'S BLESSINGS for Breeding BY HIS LAW...and oh, how
much 'they' HATED me, FOR ALWAYS GIVING ALL CREDIT TO GOD,
when 'they' would badger me for 'the secret' of my success,
that IS NO SECRET, but Published All Over The World; GOD'S WORD.

true lilly wrote:LOVE and BLESSINGS
https://youtu.be/pP1CCH7DEQM

true lilly Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:26 pm

Australia, NZ pledge cash for neighbours
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 545322-julia-gillard

6:12AM
Phillip Hudson
AUSTRALIA and New Zealand will spend
about $250 million to help 500,000 poor
Pacific Island kids learn to read and write.
From: Herald Sun
September 07, 2011
6:12AM

AUSTRALIA and New Zealand will spend
about $250 million to help 500,000 poor
Pacific Island kids learn to read and write.

The Pacific’s two riches countries will jointly fund the program to
tackle the problem that almost one million school-aged children across
the Pacific do not go to school.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard said the aim was by 2021 to have 75 per cent
of all Pacific Island children being able to read by age 10.

She said this would help improve prosperity in the Pacific.

Australia and NZ will also provide three post-graduate scholarships each.

Attending the 40th anniversary of the 16-nation Pacific Island Forum in Auckland,
Ms Gillard said the top issues were economic growth, education, jobs
and climate change.

Leaders are looking at expanding guest worker schemes and labour mobility
in the region and Ms Gillard flagged her support to find a cheaper way for
Pacific Islanders working in Australia to send money back home.

Related Coverage

Climate change hitting the Pacific The Daily Telegraph, 12 hours ago

PM heads off to Pacific Islands Forum Herald Sun, 18 hours ago

Bishop urges Nauru talks at Pacific forum Herald Sun, 1 day ago

UN boss warns 'frontline' Kiribati The Australian, 1 day ago

Support grows for Fiji coup leader Adelaide Now, 2 days ago

Her first meeting when she arrived on Tuesday evening was with
the President of the tiny nation of Kiribati, Anote Tong,
to discuss the threat to his country from climate change.

Ms Gillard said many of the Pacific island nations were threatened by climate change.

“They are small, they are low-lying and most at risk from rising sea levels,” she said.

Ms Gillard said 25 per cent of Australia’s development aid goes to the
Pacific and half of the aid to the region flows from Australia.
______________________________________________________________

"education", hey. Now would that that be the sort of education that
includes good old, Reading Comprehension, so that those Pacific
Islander kids can tell that when a SHORT News story starts with,
'spending 100's of Millions', on the "education" of neighbouring poor
nations, and ends with, "climate change THREAT. climate change THREATENED.
climate change RISK.", that the actual agenda is NOT to teach Critical Thinking,
but investing in promoting belief in a filthy new religion of lying man?
i.e. THREATENING those who don't support that filthy new religion,
with 'economic warfare'.

P.S. Sea LEVEL, is LEVEL. Island Nations surrounding us though, are on
UN-level and UN-stable sea FLOORS, that with so much volcanic activity
are rising and falling. Like the sea floor near Ache, that recently ROSE
25 meters, from a depth of 30 meters to only 5 meters.

It is that volcanic activity in the seas, that is changing coastlines,
and surface climates. Something we used to get taught in basic,
Free, Primary Schools, to understand the basic laws of the nature of
the world we live in.

Seems, it's still a case of, if you deny God, 'you get what you pay for',
but when you serve God, He Freely Gives you a truly, Life Saving,
Education in, 'what you need to know, when you need to know it'.

And seems, we have very few leaders left, who don't deny God.

true lilly wrote:
Students can pay to skip Year 12

STUDENTS who pay $7800
can secure direct entry
into all of the
University of Adelaide's
bachelor degrees
based on their Year 11 results.

Foundation Studies Program sells entry to University of Adelaide
Education Editor Sheradyn Holderhead
From: The Advertiser
September 05, 2011 12:00AM

The Foundation Studies Program
lets students pay to get into
the University of Adelaide
without passing Year 12.
Source: The Advertiser

STUDENTS who pay $7800 can secure direct entry into all of the
University of Adelaide's bachelor degrees based on their Year 11
results.

Students who complete the university's Foundation Studies Program,
dubbed "uni without Year 12", offered through Eynesbury College,
receive assured direct entry into all of its bachelor degrees.

Parent and student groups have questioned the program's fairness,
criticising a system they say effectively allows students to buy their way
into university.

Entry into the program requires only successful completion of Year 11.

The flyer promoting the program states: "Students offered a place in the
FSP will no longer have to compete with thousands of others as they are
given a conditional offer of admission to their preferred Bachelor
degree at the University. This means no SACE and no SATAC application."

Related Coverage

Peace: Madeleine on a just mission
Investigation: Adelaide students quizzed on sexts
Sydney does equity deal with UNE The Australian, 5 Aug 2011
Melbourne defends admissions processes The Australian, 28 Jul 2011
Postgrad spots held for Year 12s The Australian, 5 Jul 2011
Hitting the books, or booking the kegs? The Australian, 5 Jul 2011
New online sports degree unveiled Courier Mail, 21 Jun 2011

Most South Australian Year 12 students who apply for university
must complete their SA Certificate of Education and receive an
Australian Tertiary Admissions Rank that provides a comparison to
students who have completed different subject combinations.

Using their ATAR, students apply for a place in their preferred undergraduate
course through the SA Tertiary Admissions Centre, competing for a place
based on merit.

Eynesbury College (International) director and principal Peter Millen said that upon application, students would be assessed on their ability to successfully complete
the program, which would include the prerequisite subjects the student needed
depending on their chosen degree.

Mr Millen said successful applicants would receive an offer from
the University of Adelaide that would specify a mark out of 500
they must achieve to maintain their place.
"It's a completely separate program, they are scored out of 500 so,
if for example engineering was 380, they would have to complete the program,
get 380 and have the right prerequisites," he said.

The university sets the score on a degree-by-degree basis with
"similar relativities" as ATAR scores, a spokeswoman said, however,
she was not able to provide examples.

University of Adelaide major projects and development director Lynne Broadbridge
said offering the foundation program for domestic students was about the need to
have flexible pathways and reduce the traditional barriers to university.

"Opening our foundation program offered through Eynesbury College,
which has proven successful for international students since 1994, is
a logical step to encourage local students to follow the aspirations to
higher education," she said.

SA Association of School Parent Clubs president Jenice Zerna said
it was not fair that some students would effectively be able to pay
for their university place.

"We are concerned that students are being provided with a university place
based on how much money they or their parents have," she said.

National Union of Students president Jesse Marshall said the program appeared to
be a way to get a down payment from students from wealthy backgrounds in return
for guaranteed access to its programs.
"The Federal Government levelled the playing field
when it abolished full-fee paying places," he said.

"This program appears to take us back to the days where
if you have more money you can pay your way into university."

MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:12 pm

true lilly wrote: ..............................................................

There is a reason that ISRAEL was [/color]
DELIVERED OUT OF MITSRAYIM, The AMERICAS.
DEATH WORSHIP....that was translated MUCH LATER into Egypt.

..........................................

But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES!

The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM,
is that it causes
the TIME LINES of Human History http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED
into a SHORT period. http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards Get ready for more TORAH SPAM......poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"...

CURSE JUDAH and BE CURSED.

Well,
GOD HAS, LONG BEEN RE-GATHERING,
JUDAH and ISRAEL '''''''''''''''''''
and THOSE JOINED TO THEM,
in The UNIQUELY GLORIOUS Land,
that HE DESCRIBED...
and YOU, KEEP CURSING BOTH,
RE-JOINED ISRAEL & JUDAH and
That Land From Which,
ALL THE NATIONS ARE HEALED!

It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...
...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED... http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards =
LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION...
...TIME & SPACE, TIME & PLACE...http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards

THE SAFEGUARD GOD WROTE INTO HIS WORD,
was NOT comparing mans lying words against mans lying words,
but to TEST:
HOLY SCRIPTURE against HOLY SCRIPTURE,
and,
WHAT WAS REAL (FROM THE BEGINNING)
and IS REAL, in ALL The World and ALL The Earth,
That GOD CREATED. Because GOD CAN'T LIE,
let alone contradict HIMSELF, and as soon as you decide...

So.................why don't you do what you preach?

to DENY GOD'S WORD that DESCRIBED
WHAT GOOD SCIENCE keeps DISCOVERING, such as:

the water covered globe;
that one land mass was raised out of it;
LIFE EXISTED in and on the world, without death,
UNTIL Oxygen formed=The Prince of The Air/DEATH entered;
that NOAH'S TIME of RE-populating ALL The Earth with
people and The ORIGINAL KINDS of animals, WAS LONG,
BEFORE The ONE LAND MASS Started to Divide...

YOU DECIDE to FAIL THE TEST.
el kabong wrote:

...I'll see, YOUR POISON FRUIT-LOOPS...and RAISE,
with The GOOD FRUIT (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
that my Faithfulness To THE CREATOR of LIFE,
BLESSED THE WORLD WITH...

[size=24]well done Suze, one of your biggest bullshit spiels even by your standards.

Let's start with the Evolutionary Timeline, shall we......it completely refutes all your mega bullshit.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards

Counting Backwards from Now
60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.
380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

[b]1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.
2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

This is when Suze thinks the Biblical events were happening.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia

1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen. Somebody point this little fact out to Suze, she is confused.
3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.

3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth.

4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!

• • •

• • •

Counting Down to the Big Bang
In what follows I give the temperature of outer space in Kelvin at various times. Kelvin means "degrees Celsius above absolute zero". The melting point of water is 273 Kelvin; the boiling point is 373 Kelvin.

13.7 billion years after the Big Bang - Now.
Temperature: 2.726 Kelvin

400 million years after the Big Bang - Reionization: first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.
Temperature: roughly 30 Kelvin.

380 thousand years after the Big Bang - Recombination: hydrogen gas cools down to form molecules.
Temperature: 3000 Kelvin.

10 thousand years after the Big Bang - End of the radiation-dominated era.
Temperature: 12,000 Kelvin.

1000 seconds after the Big Bang - Decay of lone neutrons.
Temperature: roughly 500 million Kelvin.

180 seconds after the Big Bang - Beginning of nucleosynthesis: formation of helium and other elements from hydrogen
Temperature: roughly 1 billion Kelvin.

10 seconds after the Big Bang - Annihilation of electron-positron pairs.
Temperature: roughly 5 billion Kelvin.

1 second after the Big Bang - Decoupling of neutrinos.
Temperature: roughly 10 billion Kelvin

100 microseconds after the Big Bang - Annihilation of pions.
Temperature: roughly 1 trillion Kelvin

50 microseconds after the Big Bang - "QCD phase transition": quarks get bound into neutrons and protons.
Temperature: 1.7-2.1 trillion Kelvin

10 picoseconds after the Big Bang - "Electroweak phase transition": electromagnetic and weak force become different.
Temperature: 1-2 quadrillion Kelvin.

Note: a picosecond is a trillionth of a second. Before this the temperatures were so high that our knowledge of physics is unable to say for sure what happened, though experts have some good guesses.

Suze 'claims' she knows about the reformation of the Tribes of Israel and that they are going to be in the Desert Wasteland Australia, she is Bat Shit Crazy.........woo woo. lmao

MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:17 pm

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/

Notice: Suze woozie is Anti Torah, Gods Instruction for Humankind.....proof she is a Bullshit Artist, she is Anti Israel..........proof she is a deceiver........she just makes statements without any factual/historical backing....she cannot define: Mizraim or Zion, she just pulls a definition out of her ass....... . thumbs up

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home&type=2

The Full Restoration Of Israel!
Part I of a Series
In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting.

After the testing of Abraham's faith in Genesis 22, Yahuwah renews the promise, due to Abraham's great obedience in the binding of Isaac on Mt Moriah. In verses 17&18 Yahuwah reminds Abraham that it is he that will inherit the physical promise of physical multiplicity when his seed one day becomes more than the stars of heaven and the dust of the earth. In verse 18 we see that from this earth filling seed, will come one (Messiah), through whom all of the earth's families will be blessed. In Genesis 24 verse 60, Rebecca's family prophetically prays over her in order that her children may become "myriad's of peoples" and rule over their enemies.

In Genesis 26 verse 4 we see this promise of physical increase being renewed with Abraham's son Isaac. He is told that his zera will be more than the stars of heaven. Sound familiar? Isaac becomes the heir of this promise not Ishmael. Therefore when Yahuwah brings to pass this great and precious promise it will not be through an adopted Gentile like Eliezer or a child of the flesh like Ishmael, but rather through the child of promise (Isaac) the heir proceeding from Abraham's own body. Galatians 4:28 confirms that only Isaac is the child of promise. What promise? The promise of physical multiplicity that would fill the earth, yet still possess the land of Canaan as it's own homeland.

Genesis 28 verse 3 finds Isaac blessing Jacob and prophesying that the promise that Yahuwah gave Abraham and Isaac would now be bestowed upon Jacob and not Esau. We see that in verse three Isaac prays that Jacob's zera, would be blessed and become a "kehelat goyim" or "assembly of peoples." For the first time in scripture we get a glimpse of Yahuwah's plan for filling the earth with the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Hebrew term found in verse three is "kehelat goyim" or an assembly of nations or even better an "assembly of goyim". Somehow the Father will fill the earth with the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by putting together an assembly of goyim. Verse 4 confirms that what Isaac is bestowing upon Jacob is none other than the blessing of Abraham.

It is absolutely crucial for us to understand that there are not many promises to Abraham. There are not some that are spiritual and some others that are physical. Rather there is one promise and that one promise contains two aspects of physical blessing. One is the seed who would bless the nations, that being Messiah Yahshua Himself, the other being merely a promise of physical reproduction and multiplicity. In Genesis 28 in the account of Jacob's ladder we find Yahuwah telling Jacob that his seed will be spread out as the dust of the earth and will break forth to the four corners of the globe. In other words his offspring would find its home in Canaan land, but would somehow through Yahuwah's divine plan break forth and find its way to the four corners of the earth. This promise is none other than the bestowing upon Jacob of the promise and blessing of Abraham. The Hebrew term used in Genesis 28 verse 14 is the term "parats" meaning to break forth. It literally means to jump out and spread quickly. This promise of physical multiplicity must come through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob therefore nullifying any claims by Islam and Ishmaelites or any other misguided Bible scholars claiming that this promise is fulfilled in adding the Jews and Muslims together. That is wrong since this promise must come through Isaac and Jacob not Ishmael and Esau. The Ishmaelite, Arab and Muslim peoples are the physical descendants of Abraham alone, not of the promised heirs Isaac and Jacob. They do not, I repeat do not, meet the standards set down by Yahuwah when He stated that the promise of physical multiplicity would come through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The faith of Islam is not the faith of Abraham because in order to have the faith of Abraham one must believe it was Isaac not Ishmael who was the chosen seed!

We find Yahuwah elaborating on this promise to Jacob in Genesis 35:10-11 where He declares to Jacob that he would no longer be known as Jacob but as Israel. Israel means one who as a prince struggles with Yahuwah and prevails. It is as Israel that Jacob will produce sperm that will lead to the establishment of a nation and a company of nations. The nation of course is destined to be the Jewish people and the company of nations will be the "kehelat goyim" or the assembly of nations (Gentiles) that will proceed from his own body.

As we jump forward in time we find Israel the great patriarch dying in the land of Goshen in Egypt and he summons all his sons to his bedside as he is dying. He somehow finds enough strength and leans on his staff and begins to prophecy through the Ruach HaKodesh the events that will befall his sons in the last days. The Brit Chadasha (New Covenant) refers to these deathbed prophecies of Israel as an act of worship. In Genesis 48:5 he adopts Joseph's children born in Egypt, Ephraim and Manasseh as his own. He is declaring his last will and testament right there in front of Joseph. He officially adopts these two boys so that Joseph his most beloved son can receive a double portion of blessing through both his sons (verse 22). In verse 16 of Genesis 48 he calls these two grandchildren "Israel", since he not only adopts them but prophetically declares that the physical promise of physical global multiplicity will come through them. After stating "let my name be called upon them," meaning they are Israel's children, he prays that they will become a multitude. The Hebrew term used here for multitude can be read as a "teeming multitude of fish". It is interesting to remember that it was none other than our Messiah Yahshua who declared that He would make us fishers of men. Could many of the men he was referring to be the "teeming multitude proceeding from Ephraim and Manasseh?

As Israel is about to pronounce blessing he lays his right hand on Ephraim instead of Manasseh who was Joseph's firstborn. The right hand is symbolic of the blessing of the first born and should have rightfully fallen to Manasseh. However above the protests of Joseph, Israel crosses his hands and place the right one on the second of Joseph's sons Ephraim. When Joseph objects Israel tells him not to worry that he knows exactly what he is doing and that while Manasseh will become a great nation, Ephraim will be greater than him. In Genesis 48:19 we have one of the most fascinating and important prophecies of scripture. In blessing Ephraim over and above his brother, Israel declares that the seed or zera of Ephraim will become the "maleh goyim", or the "fullness of the Gentiles". In other words the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that was promised to one day literally fill the earth as the sand and dust of the earth and stars of heaven, will now come to pass in and through Ephraim. Ephraim will be the vehicle though which the great and precious single promise of physical multiplicity will literally come to pass. In English the words "maleh hagoyim" can best be translated as the "fullness of the Gentiles". If that term sounds familiar it should. It is a quotation from Romans 11:25 by Rav Shaul (Paul) as the method and means by which all Israel would be saved. The only other time this word maleh is used in Tanach is in Psalm 24:1, where the psalmist declares that the earth is Yahuwah's and the fullness thereof. In other words the earth is full of peoples, places and things that belong to Yahuwah and there is nothing found in the earth that does not belong to Yahuwah. In like manner there will be virtually no one in the earth that is not somehow belonging to the seed of Ephraim since it is the seed of Ephraim where all the blessings of physical multiplicity will be found. More on that later.

Not only do we see Ephraim receiving the birthright of the first born over and above his older brother Manasseh, but Israel also removes it from Reuben in Genesis 49:3 & 4 since Reuben defiled his father's bed and was sexually impure regarding the privacy and intimacy of Israel's marriage bed. So in reality Ephraim is moved ahead of Reuben, Joseph and Manasseh to receive the blessing of the firstborn of Israel. First Kings 5:1-2 and Jeremiah 31:9, confirms this essential truth. There is however some needed insight at this point. In all ancient Mideast cultures the right of the firstborn was essential in establishing lordship over the house of the dying father. With the birthright went power, authority, respect, grandeur and the right to enact all family business and transactions pertaining to its sustenance, care and well being. In essence the birthright was the permission to the firstborn to take over and rule the fathers' house in the fathers absence through death. Isaac received this right from Abraham even as Jacob received it from Isaac, albeit deceitfully. With the birthright went power and therefore it was coveted greatly in that culture.

When Israel gave Ephraim the birthright, however, he gave it to him with one major reservation. We read about this in Genesis 49:8-10, where Judah is given the pre-eminence or power to rule and reign royally over the House Of Israel! In verse 9 it states that all Israel's children will bow before the royalty of Judah and verse 9 states that the pre-eminence will cause all Israel to pay homage to the Lion of Judah whom verse 10 refers to by the Messianic moniker of Shiloh. Shiloh means the "sent one" or the anointed King Messiah from the kingly line of Judah who would be manifest in the natural through the tribe of Judah. Hebrews 7:14 makes it clear that Yahshua was Shiloh and it is evident that He sprang forth from Judah. What a mess! Did Jacob make a major error? Did he go to all the trouble of establishing Ephraim as the firstborn with the firstborn birthright only to give him a title without authority and without preeminence over his brothers? Did he make Ephraim a puppet ruler with just a paper title much like the modern day Queen of England? One thing we know for sure. He brought a split into and among the sons of Israel since one son had a birthright but the other son Judah had the right to rule! What good is a birthright without the authority that goes along with it? The children of Israel would submit to Judah's seed not Ephraim's, yet Ephraim's seed would become the fullness of the Gentiles. Judah would rule over the House Of Israel, but Ephraim would bring forth the promised zera that would fill the globe with the promise to the patriarchs of physical multiplicity. Of course Israel knew what he was doing since he was ministering through the Ruach HaKodesh. He split the authority and blessing between the two brothers who would continue to wage war over the fullness of the blessing that would ultimately be played out in a battle royal over the title of who is Israel? How ironic that according to Genesis 49:10 it will be the Lion of Judah (Messiah Yahshua), that would gather the goyim or nations of the seed of Ephraim back into the House Of Israel! After Israel died and his children waxed great in Egypt this promise of physical multiplicity began to trouble a Pharaoh who knew not Joseph. Of course he enslaved the Hebrews and it took Moshe Rabainu our great deliverer to rescue Israel from the house of bondage. As history teaches us Moshe took the twelve tribes out of Egypt to Sinai where they received Torah and the twelve tribes settled the land of Canaan. After a period of diverse judges and after King Saul, David was anointed King over all Israel. In the days of David the King, we see the house of Judah ruling and reigning over a united Israel with 12 tribes under David's monarchy. All was well until Solomon, David's' son, began whoring physically as well as spiritually and Yahuwah revealed to Solomon that the kingdom would be broken in the life of his son Rehoboam because of Solomon's sins. (First Kings 11:11-14). Yahuwah further revealed to Jeroboam an Ephraimite, one of Solomon's talented craftsman, that he would receive ten tribes resulting from this split in the kingdom of Israel after Solomon's death. This prophecy was acted out in front of Jeroboam by Ahiyah the prophet. The glory days under David was the last time that the kingdom belonged to all Israel, made up of all twelve tribes. In approximately 921 BC the ten northern tribes broke away from the House Of David and called themselves Israel making Samaria its capital. The southern tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi made up the southern kingdom under Rehoboam with Jerusalem as its capital (Read First Kings 11:26-43). As Rehoboam prepares an army to retake the ten renegade tribes in the north, Yahuwah forbids it in First Kings 12:24 by telling Rehoboam that this split in the House Of David is from Him and that they should not fight against their brothers.

This split in 921 BC was simply the literal fulfillment of the prophetic unction's pronounced by Jacob over his sons when he split the family so to speak. He split the birthright between Ephraim and Judah and that is why Yahuwah says in First Kings 12:24 that this family split is from Him. He ordained it and desired it so that He could bring to pass the promise He made to the patriarchs. Specifically the promise of physical multiplicity. The means by which our Heavenly Father chose to do this is through this split in David's House. We will see why later! What began with Jacob now was being played out in the natural. The Northern kingdom of ten tribes began to adopt pagan practices, holidays, customs, false worship and unfortunately Jeroboam became the father of Ephraimite pagans. In First Kings 12:26-33 we see the evil heart of Jeroboam son of Nebat at as he devised a scheme for the ten tribes collectively known as the House of Israel or Ephraim to begin to practice a false religion designed to keep Ephraim separate from Judah and separate from Judah's Elohim. As we will shortly come to realize this House of Ephraim would one day become hidden as individuals within the Christian Church through Yahuwah's program of the regathering of Ephraim through Messiah Yahshua and would adopt all of the ungodly pagan practices of Jeroboam. This system of Jeroboam had as its basic design the creation of a separate entity from the House of David consisting of the ten tribes in the north.

This separation unto debauchery and unto Ephraim's departure from the family of Israel resulted in Yahuwah's judgement in approximately 721 BCE when Yahuwah send Tilgat Pilsger III, the Assyrian king to utterly destroy the House Of Ephraim or the ten northern tribes. Since Ephraim played the harlot and lifted her skirt to every foreign deity, Yahuwah declared that he would in like manner sift her and cause her to be naked before the Gentile nations, by bringing an end to the northern kingdom, of Israel. This stern punishment would be enacted by the dispersing and swallowing up of these ten tribes by the world's pagan nations. Since Ephraim's lust, penchant and desire for paganism was so great Yahuwah permitted the ten tribes to become the very thing that they so desperately and so wickedly craved to be! Thus we find that the children of Israel experienced their first holocaust in 721 BCE when ten tribes seemingly disappeared and became lost spiritually as well as physically. Thus was born the ten lost tribes of Israel.

As we are about to discover this breakage was the method by which Yahuwah chose to fulfill the family split caused by Jacob himself as well as to fulfill the promise of physical multiplicity to the patriarchs. Are the ten tribes really lost? Can they be found? Have they been destroyed or somehow preserved? Did the Messiah come to restore the Tabernacle of David which had fallen in 920 BCE? Did the ten lost tribes of Israel become Gentiles later to be regathered back into the house Of Israel by the ministry of Moshiach? Is it possible that the ten tribes became the "maleh goyim" or the "fullness of the Gentiles" that we read about in Romans and that was promised to be the physical Israelite seed through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Ephraim? Let's find out!

The prophet Hosea is a great place to start our definitive search for the other house of Israel, the House of Ephraim. From this point forward the key to understanding prophecy related to the restoration of the twelve tribes into the House Of David is to understand that after the split in 921 BCE Yahuwah almost never ever refers to one house but to two houses of Israel! When He speaks to the North (10) tribes He speaks of Israel or Ephraim. When He speaks to the South He speaks of Judah. He always separates these two entities and unless you learn to do likewise you cannot and will not understand any prophetic writings or prophecies given by any of Israel's prophets after the split of the House of David. Get it fully settled in your minds that after 921 BC there were and still are two separate houses of Israel!! If you can comprehend this truth you are well on your way to being an instant prophecy expert!

In Hosea chapter One, the prophet sent to the northern kingdom of Israel is told to take a wife who is a whore since that would give him a pretty good idea what the ten tribes have done to Yahuwah. After cohabiting with Gomer, Hosea calls their daughter "Lo-Ruhammah" (verse 6), meaning no mercy or compassion. In verse 4 of Hosea One we see Yahuwah putting an end to the northern House Of Israel and in verse 6 He promises to never again show Israel in the north any mercy. In verse 7 Yahuwah stated that unlike Israel, He will show mercy to Judah in the south. The couple conceived a son in verse 9 and Yahuwah commands Hosea to call his name "Lo-Ami" for you are not my people and I am not for you. When Yahuwah is against you the party is over. Israel or Ephraim is called Lo-Ami, not my people. It is adios , good bye and good night Irene! No more mercy, no more my people, no more a kingdom, and Yahuwah fighting against you. We see clearly the end of the ten northern tribes as a nation before Yahuwah. A total divorce and rejection has taken place. Hosea 7:8,8:8,9:11,9:17,10:1,12:1 and other passages confirm that Ephraim's plight is to become Lo-Ami, swallowed up among the Gentiles. Yet in verse 10 we see a startling declaration. Despite a death sentence for the ten tribes as an identifiable kingdom or nation, miraculously they reappear and are born-again so to speak in the last days. Verse 10 of Hosea One begins with the words "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the seashore. Here we have a kingdom totally destroyed and swallowed up among the Gentiles, miraculously reappearing as the former children of Israel and are even called the sand of the sea! Sound familiar? It should! This is the sand of the sea promise made to the patriarchs and to Ephraim. This verse further reveals to us just where we are going to find the ten lost tribes or the sand of the sea that cannot be counted. The ones who call themselves and are called by Yahuwah children of Elohim! Do you know any modern day group of people that run around referring to themselves and claiming themselves to be children of the living Yahuwah! You got it! The born-again community of Gentile believers is nothing more than the former dispersed House Of Israel. Yahuwah further states in this verse that when Ephraim is gathered they will be His people or His Ami and He will be their Elohim since they have become sons of the living Elohim by grace though faith (Hosea 2:21-23). This cannot possibly be made any clearer. A nation that has come to an end, disappeared or become lost if you will, all of a sudden showing up as sons and daughters of Yahuwah in the last days! Elohim Himself reminds us in verse 10 that this group in nothing more than the former House of Jeroboam or House of Israel. In verse 11 of Hosea One we see this return of the ten lost tribes coming back into the House Of David in the days when these former lost Israelites appoint for themselves the same head that Messianic Jews are appointing for themselves. This one head is the head of the body made up of nothing more than Judahites and Ephraimites with perhaps some true Gentiles, now restored to Yahuwah as redeemed individuals from both houses and are learning to trust and lean on the same Head by appointing that Head (Yahshua) as personal Elohim and Savior! Verse 11 goes on to say that when individual Ephraimites and Judahites are making this personal appointment of Yahshua as king of their lives it will not be a day to build something called "a church" where "the church" replaces the Jew, rather it will be the day of Jezreal. Jezreal means the replanting of those who were scattered! Baruch HaShem Yahuwah. Notice the very next verse in Hosea 2:1, where both Judahites and Ephraimites who appoint Yahshua as their head (in the day of Jezreal's regathering and replanting into David's rebuilt Tabernacle), will no longer look at their brothers and sisters as spiritual brothers or sisters only, but will see them in a new light. What light is that? As "ami!" My own people. Bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. When Ephraim and Judah are individually regenerated and regathered into the rebuilt Tabernacle of David then we will begin to recognize each other as blood brothers, as physical Israelites from different sides of the same family that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb!

Remember that in Matthew 15:24 Yahshua stated in the clearest possible terms that he was sent for no one except the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Notice He did not state that He came for Gentiles or Jews. He did not come only for Jews because Jews are Judahites physically descended from the two southern tribes that made up the Kingdom of Judah. He also has no interest in Gentiles. Why? Because those who respond to Yahshua's love, and come back to the restored Tabernacle of David, may look like Gentiles, act like Gentiles, behave like Gentiles, eat pork and break the Shabbat like Gentiles, but are in fact nothing more than the lost physical sheep of the house of Israel who became the Gentiles and have been living like Gentiles for 2700 years. Obviously when they come back they are not going to look like Israelites who practice and are faithful to Torah. Either you are going to believe Yahshua and scores of other prophets or you are going to make up your own theology. He said I have come only for all the lost sheep of the House of Israel. This includes the Jews but also includes the other house of Israel, who are my brothers in the flesh. Of course Paul, Peter and others were sharing the gospel with Gentiles because where else are you going to find the seed of Ephraim, except among the Gentiles filling the globe. Amos 9:9 tells us that though scattered among the Gentiles, not one grain or person will fall to be destroyed. In other words they will not disappear from the earth, but will mix and literally become the peoples of the earth, only to be brought back to Yahuwah in the end times, on an individual basis. The Great Commission (Matt: 28 18-20) therefore is nothing more than a world wide search for the seed of Ephraim the sand of the sea, dust of the earth, the teeming multitudes of humanity. Part of that search of course will be to look for the dispersed of Judah as well. Yaakov (James) testifies to this truth by reminding the Jerusalem Council that Yahuwah was just visiting the Gentiles nations through the preaching of the gospel, not to live there, but to rescue and pull out His people called by His Name ( Acts 15:14-17). Through this rescue James reminds us that Yahuwah is rebuilding The Tabernacle Of David made up of all the twelve tribes of Israel. Since He is Israel's Elohim, He is pulling out and rescuing Israelites from the "outcast status" that had been their inheritance due to their disobedience to Torah. These people are Israelites regardless of whether they themselves realize it or not! Is not that what it means to be lost? Lost spiritually as well as physically!

Is it not fascinating that after three and a half years of Yahshua's earthly ministry as He is about to ascend back to heaven from the Mt. of Olives, all remaining eleven talmidim come to Him and ask Him the same exact question. This is almost unimaginable since these eleven rarely agreed on anything and were always fighting and asking questions, seeking to bolster their own agenda. Yet in total unanimity they all had the same final question. Master, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel? (Acts1:6) That is what they were concerned with. Not the creation or building of a separate entity called "the church" which has sought to replace, annihilate and often destroy the Judahite people. Let it be clearly understood that the word "church" is nothing more than the ekklesia or assembly of the Tanach. It is the same assembly that was receiving Torah on Mt. Sinai (Acts7:37-38). There is one New Covenant assembly, called Israel by Rav Shaul (Galatians 6:16). There is no such thing as a separate entity called "the church", with a separate Shabbat and a separate holy day schedule. In Spanish and Portuguese and almost every language ekklesia meaning those "called out ones" maintains the basic idea of an assembly. Only in English do we have this "church" (derived from a pagan circular blood ritual called "church") word that appears to be teaching that Yahshua built something new called "the church", when all He was doing was rebuilding the mikra or assembly of the Tanach and filling it with power. When the Septuagint translation of the Tanach was translated from Hebrew to Greek around 175 B.C.E., every translator translated the word mikra into ekklesia and that is exactly what Yahshua Himself claims to have come to build (Matthew 16:16-19)! The oldest New Covenant manuscripts in our possession today and written in Aramaic (a dialect of Hebrew), confirm the absence of the word "church" again using in its place the word "assembly." Because of Ephraim's jealousy and hatred of his brother Judah, along with an ongoing addictive attraction to anything pagan or foreign to Torah (like father like son), he decided to become a separate man-made entity known as "the church" totally divorced from Jacob's family and it's rich Hebraic roots, which explains why today the "church" as it mostly stands is absolutely unrecognizable to both Jews and often to Yahuwah Himself! This self-desired divorce from Israel has left "the church" without any tools with which to provoke Judah to jealousy. She is a man-made self willed religious divorcee from the covenant people of Israel!

The gospel is not merely a proclamation of personal salvation. It is a message of national restoration to Israel from a divided family which manifested itself in two still separate houses of Israel. Matthew 24:14 reminds us that the gospel is the gospel of the Kingdom. In Matthew chapter 12 Yahshua speaks of the principal of a divided house without any ability to withstand the fiery darts of Satan! What kingdom? The kingdom of Israel. In Luke 24:21 the talmidim were very disappointed since they fully and rightfully expected the twelve tribes to be resorted under Yahshua the Moshiach. Where would they get that idea from? Jeremiah 23 verses 3-6 Yahuwah declares that He will bring Israel and Judah back from global dispersion in the days that Messiah arrives. In verse 5 and 6 it states that Judah shall be saved and Israel shall dwell safely. We see the reunification of both houses under the Messiah or the reunification of all twelve tribes all living in the land of Israel. Remember that in order for the House of David to be fully restored and rebuilt it has to be composed of the same composition that left Egypt, received Torah and made up the glory days of King David. All twelve tribes! Any revival or restoration movement that does not include the full restoration of all twelve parts of the family and merely focuses in on two parts of the twelve parts, is not flowing in a full vision of restoration. Messianic Judaism in order to continue to experience the full last days blessings of Yahuwah, must expand it's vision to include all of Israel. The vision does not have to be changed at all and should be of no threat to Messianic Judaism's leadership, once it determines the truth of Israel's two houses and demands that Ephraim renounce all paganism and embrace the fabric of Israelite living and holiness which is Torah. The future of the last days revival of Israel and the very fabric and survival of the modern Messianic Jewish movement depends on a leadership ready to re-evaluate the preservation of Ephraim for 2,700 years amongst and as Gentiles. That is the final "Tikun HaOlam" (restoration between Judah & Ephraim), spoken of in Ezekiel 37:11-28! It is wrong for bible students & Messianic leaders to teach and believe that Judah, Ephraim, and Israel are all the same and are really analogous or synonymous interchangeable terms, whose usage varies, depending upon what mood Yahuwah is in. That is historically inaccurate as well as theologically deceptive and if Yahuwah is able to differentiate between the two still divided houses after 720 BCE, why can't we?

Go back now and read your Bible, understanding that when Yahuwah refers to the ten tribes it is always Ephraim or Israel and when He refers to the two southern tribes it is always as Judah. Try it! Your eyes will be open to the true, everlasting and final Tikun HaOlam. If you refuse to read your Bible without that foundational premise, then you are bound to find an Elohim who is repetitive, confused and throws terms around referring to two nations when there is really one. Of course based on this faulty reasoning Yahuwah is not too swift at identifying and locating the outcasts of Israel (Ephraim) either! Do you really believe that? Of course not! You and I may not know where to look for the ten tribes but rest assured Yahshua does, and that is exactly what He has been doing for two thousand years right under our collective nose, since that was His assignment according to Isaiah 49:5-6. During that same time period we were all busy fussing and fighting as two brothers engaged in sibling rivalry!

What it all boils down to is, whose report will you believe? An Israel made up of two tribes or one made up of twelve which Yahuwah Himself vowed to fill the earth with. Since He is faithful you can rest assured that almost everyone on this planet has a drop of Israelite blood since Yahuwah' blessing of physical multiplicity would fill the globe through Ephraim's banishment and subsequent intermarriage and assimilation. If the earth is full of Israelite blood how much room is there left for any other types of peoples without some Israelite blood? If this promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has been literally fulfilled only through the Jewish people alone, who continue to number only 16 million and can easily and readily be counted, censused and numbered, then the promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an outright lie! Yahuwah lied! Sixteen million Jews does not constitute a multitude that cannot be numbered! Sixteen million or so Jews could all fit nicely into the land mass of the state of Florida. The promise of physical multiplicity was not fulfilled in Judah alone! That is a numerical and practical impossibility! The question before you is not can everyone on earth really have at least a drop of Israelite blood? The question before you is did Yahuwah lie and speak in half truths? Are we to take him at his literal word? This teaching of the two houses submits the truth that Ephraim plus Judah with a few true Gentiles (?), equals billions of human beings and from those billions (5 or 6 billion), a remnant Israel is being saved from all twelve tribes and are being reconciled to Yahuwah through the precious blood of the one who declared "I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel"! Whose report will you believe? Those promoting separate entities and thus two Israels, one physical and the other spiritually adopted, or Yahuwah who has only one physical Israel, that is spirit filled and led, taken from all twelve tribes, with no one being adopted into physical Israel, but requiring everyone Jew and non-Jew to be adopted into Yahuwah's family! The choice is yours! Is it possible that the real reason behind the reason of saved Judah's carefree, careless attitude towards trying to discover where in the world the rest of his lost physical family really is, is nothing more than a colossal case of a self centered mindset! In Judah's defense it is perhaps possible that Judah is too busy trying to survive the Diaspora than to be concerned about finding his brother's whereabouts. Regardless of the real reason, Yahuwah only deals with these two chosen families in the earth (Jeremiah 33:24).

Is it not interesting that the promised New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 talks about Yahuwah cutting a covenant with the House Of Israel and the House of Judah never once mentioning cutting one with Gentiles or Christians. The House of Israel mentioned in Jeremiah is Ephraim those born-again non-Jews. Remember that all Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. In the heavenly Jerusalem of Revelation 21:12 notice that all those born again folks planning on having everlasting life must enter the city through one of 12 gates, one for each of the twelve tribes. Isn't it funny and strange how Yahuwah forgot to make a gate for Christians or "saved Gentiles". The reason is that everyone in New Covenant Israel from both sides of the physical family is a blood descendent of Israel with some few exceptions. Even those exceptions become Israelites according to Torah! I'll discuss more on that in the next issue.

In Jeremiah 31:3-22 we read detailed descriptions of Ephraim (ten tribes) returning to the land. Any aliyah or any program of returning Jews to Israel to live must and will include all Israel including Ephraim. In the verse mentioned above we see the ten tribes being replanted on the mountains of Israel. Do you have a problem with that? Yahuwah doesn't! You see our vision is too small. Our vision must be the vision of Yahshua and the 12 disciples and must include a revival among all Israel, not just 2/12th's of Israel!! It was Yahshua Himself who promised the twelve talmidim a millennial rule over twelve verifiable and recognizable tribes of re-gathered millennial Israel (Matthew 19:28). Zechariah in chapter 8:22-23, specifically refers to ten men representing the ten returning tribes grabbing the tzitzit (fringes) of a Jew who has come to know Yahshua personally and declaring that they will also return to Zion and Torah. Notice that these ten returning men speak all of the world's known languages. In this passage we see the ongoing return of all Israel, to Israel!

In Yaakov (James) 1:1 Yaakov writes his epistle to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. Obviously James knew that the body of Yahshua that he was writing to was nothing more than the re-gathered 12 tribes of Israel that had been redeemed through Yahshua and he addressed them as such! If the ten tribes remained lost and nowhere to be found why would James write to them and call them brethren of faith in verse 2 of James chapter One? Obviously he had no problem with the body of Yahshua being New Covenant Israel made up of all twelve tribes and perhaps some very few exceptions. Have you ever written a post card to people that had disappeared from the earth or didn't exist? Obviously they had to exist in order to be written to and to be addressed.

Was it just Yahshua & James that had this revelation? In I Peter 1:1, Keefa writes to the chosen people living in the Diaspora. The Jewish Diaspora did not happen until 20 years after this epistle was penned in about 50 AD. Yet he refers to these other ten tribes' descendants who have come to faith as "the chosen people". Could it be that Ephraim is just as chosen as Judah? Does that burst your bubble? Poor thing! You thought that only two tribes (Jews) were chosen. The scriptures never once calls the Jewish people chosen. Rather it calls all Israel, of which the Jews are but two parts, the chosen people! Jeremiah 33:24 confirms this truth. Yahuwah states that he has chosen two houses or two clans or two nations! Got that! That is the House Of Israel and the House Of Judah. Peter wrote to the re-gathered House of Israel when addressing his epistle! You want some more New Covenant proof texts that these folks calling themselves Christians are nothing more than the physical descendants of the ten lost tribes? No problem. In First Keefa (Peter) chapter 2 verses 8-10 we see Peter quoting Hosea chapter One. The people who are a royal priesthood a chosen generation and a holy nation are identified by Keefa as nothing more than the former lo-ami and lo-ruhammah of Hosea chapter One! In verse 11 of First Keefa chapter 2, Peter says: You who are now New Covenant Priests and New Covenant Israel once were not a people (lo-ami) and had not obtained compassion and mercy (lo-ruhammah).But now through Yahshua you are restored to a people called ami and receiving ruhammah. This is a clear and direct reference attributing and labeling the body of Yahshua as containing much of the old northern kingdom of Ephraim returning because of Yahuwah's favor through the blood of Messiah.

Did Rav Shaul (Paul) also understand the re-gathering of the twelve tribes of Israel through Yahuwah's Son? Was he able to identify "Christians" in Rome as nothing more than the former House of Ephraim? You bet he did. In Romans chapter 9 verse 24 Rav Shaul states that Yahuwah calls Jews and Gentiles to make up His body as heirs of eternal life. Then in verse 25 of Romans 9 he quotes Hosea chapter One and identifies the born again redeemed Gentiles of his day as the Old Covenant House of Israel (Ephraim). He quotes the lo-ami passage of Hosea One and attributes this to "saved Gentiles". Verses 25 & 26 boldly declares this. Finally in verse 27 he puts the icing on the cake and declares that these "saved Gentiles" not only are the former house of Israel that became the "fullness of the Gentiles", but he even quotes Isaiah stating that out of the entire "sand of the sea" promise to Ephraim regarding physical multiplicity only a remnant of Israelites from all twelve tribes will be saved. Wow! Notice the transition and progression as the saved Gentiles of verse 24 in Romans 9 wind up being identified by Paul as the former house of Israel (ten tribes) spoken of by Isaiah, in the next two verses.

In Ephesians 2:11 Rav Shaul declares that those who got saved as Gentiles are no longer Gentiles! They have a new identity, and that identity is according to verse 12 a citizenship in the commonwealth of Israel. They are Israelites! You cannot be a citizen of a spiritual entity known as "the church" or any other spiritual entity. In order to be a physical citizen of the commonwealth of Massachusetts you have to be a physical being. In order for former Gentiles who by virtue of their acceptance of Messiah have become physical citizens of the house and commonwealth of Israel they must be and in fact are physical Israelites from a different side of the family than Messianic Jews. Verse 19 nails this down for us as Rav Shaul declares that these folks are no longer strangers to the house of Israel but fellow citizens. Citizenship always has been and always will be something on the physical plain. In Galatians 3:29 Rav Shaul refers to born again non Jews as the seed or sperma of Abraham. Now let me ask you an honest question! Does the Greek word for seed (sperma), from where we get the English word sperm, sound like something spiritual or something very physical? Therefore if you belong to Messiah through the new birth, regardless of who you think you are, you are Abraham's sperm! That's why verse 28 says there are no Jews, Greeks men or women there is only Abraham's physical seed that has been redeemed and should be known as new covenant Israel!

Further proof is found in Galatians 4:28 where Rav Shaul refers to non Jewish believers as being exactly like Isaac -- the heir of the physical promise of multiplicity. Was Isaac a physical being or just a spiritual being? He was a spirit-filled-and-led physical being! According to Rav Shaul, that is exactly who the non-Jewish believers are in the New Covenant! In First Corinthians 10:1 Rav Shaul reminds saved Ephraimites that they were once Gentiles, but not any longer. He reminds these non-Jewish Israelites that their fathers (Hebrews) who were led out of Egypt went through the Red Sea and eventually met the Rock (Messiah) just as they had (First Corinthians 10:1-4). In First Corinthians 5:7-8 we see these Ephraimite Israelites keeping Pesach! Only the people of Israel celebrate the Feasts Of Israel!

There are man-made teachings and teachers that place the word "spiritual" in front of the word "fathers" in First Corinthians 10:1 as well as Galatians 3:29 where they add the word "spiritual" before the word "seed", to make it seem as if Christians are only some kind of spiritual seed, or worse yet something called "spiritual Jews." May I remind these teachers that adding to the Word of Yahuwah is a capital offence punishable by death (Proverbs 30:5, Deut. 4:2, Deut.12:32, Rev 22:18). Apparently there are some who either do not understand this truth or who do understand it, but desire to continue to suppress it so that they can keep "saved Ephraimites" in perpetual second class adopted chains worshiping at the throne of Judaism instead of His Son. If non-Jewish believers were totally honest with themselves, most of them carry a deep desire and therefore inner jealousy to be Jewish. That jealousy either causes them to want to convert to any kind of Judaism, even those forms that force a recanting of faith in Yahshua's finished work, or historically the jealousy has and can still turn into raging hatred against the Jew they can never become. Those days are over! This is the day divinely decreed for the restoration of all things (Acts 3:20-21). When Ephraim begins to believe that they are part of physical Israel they will act like Israelites and return to Shabbat, kashrut, moedim, Zionism and aliyah, and will cease to be jealous of the Jews (Isaiah 11:12-14). According to these same verses the day is coming when Jews will recognize Ephraim as their physical brothers in much the same way that all Jacob's sons came to recognize Joseph in Egypt. They thought he was a Gentile and all the while Joseph was an Israelite. Whether Judah recognizes born-again non-Jews as Ephraim does not change the fact that they, like Joseph, are unrecognizable to their brothers. Yet still like Joseph, Ephraim is Joseph's son and Jacob's grandson and is in fact an Israelite experiencing the same lack of recognition that his father Joseph experienced in Egypt. Joseph knew them but they knew not Joseph. Today large segments of Ephraim recognizes chosen, born-again Judah, yet Judah cannot and often will not recognize born-again Ephraim! Yahuwah declares that this vexation of Ephraim by Judah will come to an end through Messiah (Isaiah 11:13-14), when He gathers the outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah from all the earth. Notice how Judah was never outcast like Ephraim, only dispersed.

In Yochanan 10:16 Yahshua said "other sheep I have which are not of this fold. I have to bring them in as well. And they shall hear my voice and there shall be one flock and one shepherd". Notice that Yahshua had another Israelite flock that were still His fold even before He died and arose again. He did not say that he will create a new and separate fold called "the church" made up of pagans with separate practices replacing Torah sometime after His resurrection. He said that He already had two folds -- that He was sent to bring them in, and they will become one flock or one united house.

John (Yochanan) knew the same truth by virtue of his writings in Yochanan (11:49-52). John stated that when Ciaphas prophesied that it was good that Yahshua was dying for Judah, John added that Ciaphas was prophesying that Yahshua would not only die for that nation (Judah), but also the former house of Israel that were scattered abroad 721 years prior to Yahshua's birth! We know this is a reference to the House of Israel (ten tribes) since he calls them a nation (physical people), as well as children of Elohim! They were called children of Israel because Elohim is the Elohim of Israel and they were Israel or children of Elohim even before Yahshua went to the tree of Korban! Notice that the Father's' revealed plan in verse 52 of chapter 11 of John is to gather both nations or houses into one. Even at the time of Yahshua, people's eyes and hearts were being opened to the truth about the family feud perpetuated by Jacob widened by Jeroboam and Rehoboam and in the last two millennia inflamed by the Church vs. Jewish battle royal over the title of who is Israel! The question is fully answered when one realizes that there is only one people of Israel with one Elohim of Israel and one Messiah of Israel and one Torah of Israel and that both houses need to follow the same blueprint for the restoration of all Israel on a level playing field of common ground. Only with the full understanding of the divided two houses of Israel, will the hatred, bitterness, pride and arrogance of Christendom and Judaism towards each other come to a quick and deserving death. Any other solution to the Church vs. Jewish debate will result in more misunderstanding between brethren and the perpetuation of the family feud started by Jacob splitting the birthright between Ephraim and Judah though both were physical and spiritual Israel.

It is comforting to note that according to Isaiah 49 verses 1-6 the Messiah is promised to all Israel and is even referred to as Israel, since Israel's restoration is the personification and primary purpose of His mission. Hosea 11:1 also calls The Messiah, Israel! In Isaiah 49 verse six, we see the Father asking Him if He is prepared to raise up the twelve tribes of Israel by bringing back into the fold those who, though scattered and lost as a nation, would be individually preserved in and amongst the Gentiles in the four corners of the earth for the Messiah's ministry. He did come. He did go looking for preserved individuals physically descended from Ephraim and Judah and has in fact restored these preserved ones. Though these preserved ones may not know who they are, though they may look, act, smell, behave and conduct themselves with all of their father Jeroboam's filthy ways, our Messiah knew where to locate them. He has located them and He has brought them back to the fold on an individual basis not a national basis, as of yet. Interestingly enough the Hebrew word for preserved ones in Isaiah 49:6 is Notzrim or Nazarenes, which is the modern Hebrew word for Christians. It is these preserved born again Ephraimites that would be re-gathered in to the rebuilt Tabernacle of David and would return to the fold of Israel as Nazarenes. Let us recall that the entire early Messianic communities were known as The Nazarenes (Acts 24:5), the preserved ones of returning repentant Israel!

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MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:22 pm

Suze doesn't read or test anything, she has never challenged a single fact I have presented, because all my Data is supported by Credentialed Scholars and professional in their respective fields......Suze is Anti Torah/Instruction and Anti Israel......she is actually Anti Messiah and anti Bible, yet look how she quotes the Bible out of context.. thumbs up

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TORAH FOR ALL ISRAELITE NATIONS
By Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
PART 26 IN THE SERIES ON ISRAEL’S LATTER-DAY TWO- HOUSE RESTORATION

THE PROMISE TO END SLAVERY

In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

INITIAL OFFER

Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.

According to Hebraic understanding, there are actually three Adams. There is Adam the first husband of Chavah, the nation of Israel, and the promised Moshaich. Scripture calls Messiah Yahshua the second Adam. But the second physical Adam is actually the personification of the second corporate Adam known as the nation of Israel. This concept can be fully grasped from such scriptures as Hosea 11:1 and Shemot 4:22-23. These scriptures speak of Yahuwah’s three sons as Adam, Israel, and Messiah Yahshua. The second son was to be a light to the nations, as they were called, and ordained to take the light, and liberating truth of Torah to all nations. For that evangelical purpose, all Israel was betrothed to Almighty Yahuwah. Israel was delivered by chesed/grace from Mitzrayim to fulfill Yahuwah’s purpose, as well as to fulfill covenant to the patriarchs. Sadly Israel did not fulfill their divine mission, due to rabbinical fences placed around the Torah to prevent others from enjoying its light, and grace. These manmade additions, and fences designed to keep non-Israelites out of Torah light, was distasteful and displeasing to our Heavenly Abba. Surely He would need to address this issue in the future.

THE SMOKING MOUNTAIN

Scripture teaches that quaking, smoking, light, and thunderings accompanied the giving of Torah according to Shemot/Exodus 20:18-19. All of the people of Israel gathered at Sinai saw the lighting, fire, and smoke, and heard the shofar. This is the only kind of smoking Yahuwah approves of. When all Israel saw this smoking, they backed off, and stood at a distance from fear. In verse 18 the word thunderings is used rather than the singular thunder. The assembly at Sinai when the ecclesia was first born in 1500 BCE, was gathered to see this light and fire show, so they in turn could turn to the nations, and let Yahuwah’s light shine forth. Among the many manifestations was the ongoing thunderings (plural)! According to the understanding of Jewish-Israel, the thunderings were given in the plural form, so that the living oracles of Torah would be given in many tongues or languages, and that all 70 known nations at the time of the exodus would and could receive the grace that Israel was receiving at Sinai. It was Yahuwah’s purpose to deliver His Word in tongues, so that all known nations could and should walk in the light of Torah, as a lamp to their feet, and a light to their path (Tehillim 119:105). The thunderings represented Yahuwah's affirmation that it was always His desire for all nations to hear His Word, not merely the immediate recipients at the base of Sinai. In fact at Sinai, Psalm 138:4 began to take place, as the Torah was given in the tongues of all the earth’s rulers, who in turn would also teach it to their peoples. It was for this reason that the nation heard thunderings not merely thunder!

A TORAH OF TONGUES OF FIRE

The idea and concept that Yahuwah split His voice in 70 tongues, is a Hebraic concept based on both tradition and Torah. His split His voice in order to signify that Torah was for all nations of the earth, not just for the people today known as the Jews or Jewish-Israel. To signify this desire, He split His voice in a supernatural manifestation in 70 differing ways, so that all nations would have an inward desire to hear, walk, and receive the truths of Torah. In due course, they all would receive the exact same chesesd/grace that Israel His son was receiving in person on Sinai, through the nation of Israel. When Yahuwah birthed the ecclesia at Sinai circa 1500 BCE, He supernaturally ordained the thunderings, so as to signify that the sound of Torah was to encompass the globe, and not be limited to that one particular place, time or nation. Israel’s task was to take that same Torah to the nations that had previously rejected Torah, when Yahuwah came personally knocking on their door.

In many ways the nations did to Israel after Sinai what they did to Yahuwah when He came knocking before Sinai according to Devarim 33:2-4. Yahuwah knowing the future, chose Israel who He knew would accept Torah (Shemot/Exodus 5:1). He manifested the Torah to Israel in 70 separate or cloven tongues of fire, in order that Israel return to the nations, and deposit Torah into all nations, even the ones who had earlier rejected Yahuwah’s springing, and shining forth! Israel would inherit this task which is a great calling, since this calling can be considered the initial Great Commission, with Messiah Yahshua's admonition in Matityahu 28:18-20 being the renewal of the Great Commission, given to the same renewed ecclesia that in times past had stood at the foot of Horeb. The inheritance of Torah is for Israel alone but the reception of Torah is for all nations. The rabbis of antiquity recognized Torah as being for all nations, which is why they established the Sanhedrin with 70 elders, with the high priest representing Israel before Yahuwah, and the 70 elders representing the 70 known nations before the high court of Israel.

STANDING IN THE ANCIENT PATHS

In Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 6:16 Yahuwah instructs Israel to find rest in the ancient ways of Torah, as first poured out on Sinai. The sound of the shofar of Sinai was to resonate to all Israel for all times (Bamidbar/Numbers 10:10). The Shabbat and inner shalom for all believers, is found in an immediate return of standing fully clothed with the armor of Yahuwah in the ancient paths. In Matityahu 11:28-29 Yahshua makes reference to Jeremiah 6:16 by stating that He came to the nations to bring them rest, since His yoke is easy, and His burden is light. Yahshua has come to take all nations by the hand, as they return to the paths of ancient Torah. According to this verse, when we come to Moshaich Yahshua we will find rest for our beings. Since we know Israel’s rest is only in eternal Torah, the living King Torah now reiterates that same call by asking all Israel scattered in the nations to come to Him. Since He is the Living Torah by coming to Him for His rest, we return to the rest provided for Israel because Yahshua is the Torah given to Israel that has now come in the flesh (Yochanan/John 1:14). By accepting the living Torah, we are revived by the same Torah that gives peace. Since we know that Moshiach Yahshua only does and teaches His Father’s doctrines, then the rest He offers His talmidim is the rest found when one returns and takes a full-fledged stand for the ancient paths.

THE HOUSE

In Acts 2:1 we find all Messiah’s talmidim in one place. Just like the day on Sinai when all Israel was in one accord, in one place, in one mind of anticipation. In Maaseh Shlechim/Acts 2:1 all the talmidim were where they were supposed to be at the appointed time, (moed/feast) that they were supposed to be meeting. The annual venue for the moed of Shavout was the House of Yahuwah on the mountain of the house or Mt. Moriyah for the Feast of Weeks. THEY WERE NOT, NOR COULD THEY HAVE BEEN GUARDING THE FEAST OF WEEKS IN THE UPPER ROOM! WHY NOT? IF ISRAELITES WENT UP TO JERUSALEM, AND WORSHIPED YAHUWAH IN A SET-APART GATHERING ON MT. OLIVET, RATHER THAN ON MT. MORIYAH, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OPENLY DISOBEYING TORAH. TORAH IS CLEAR, IN THAT THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ARE TO ASCEND MORIYAH TO MEET WITH YAHUWAH IN PERSON, THREE TIMES EVERY YEAR, ACCORDING TO DEVARIM 16:10-11. YAHUWAH CLEARLY CHOSE THE ONE AND ONLY PLACE FOR THE FEAST OF WEEKS, WHERE HE SAID HE WOULD PLACE HIS NAME. MAN COULD NOT CHOOSE THAT PLACE! YET THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE “SO-CALLED CHURCH” HAS DONE, IN CLAIMING, AND PROPAGATING THE MYTH OF THE “UPPER ROOM PENTECOSTAL EXPERIENCE!” PASSOVER, SHAVOUT, AND SUKKOT WERE ALL TO TAKE PLACE ONLY IN THE TEMPLE OR “THE HOUSE”. THE GREEK WORD HOUSE (OIKOS STRONGS #3624) CAN MEAN HOUSE OR TEMPLE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN REFERENCE TO SHAVOUT IT MUST MEAN TEMPLE.

Failure to obey this “in-house” ordinance, while in the land of Israel, while the Temple stood, would not and could not result in the talmidim receiving any divine gift or blessing, let alone the gift of the indwelling Ruach HaKodesh. According to Acts 5:32, He is given ONLY to those who obey Him. So we see that what Israelites were ordained to do yearly, they naturally also did in 33CE. As was their yearly custom, they went to the Temple Mount, and were there in one mind, and one accord seeking Abba Yahuwah. In order to receive the Ruach HaKodesh, they had to be standing in the ancient place of Jeremiah 6:16. The question that begs to be asked is this. Where then does the “upper room” concept come from? The answer is plain but nevertheless sad. The source is s.a.tan, and the text taken out of context is found in Acts 1:13-14, where the disciples are staying in prayer in the upper room with Yahshua's mother.

ECCLESIA BORN AT SINAI

The manmade kirch system has cleverly superimposed the events of Acts 1:13-14 onto and into Acts chapter 2, in order to somehow justify the birth of a new separate entity apart from the historic people of First Covenant Israel. By following through on this nonsense, they develop their doctrine of the “church’s birth at Pentecost”, thus finding a fabricated doctrinal venue with which to replace Jewish-Israel, with the new and improved “kirch", the now infamous Roman based so-called “Spiritual Israel”. As opposed to this traditional church fairy tale, Stephen the first true witness/martyr of Renewed Covenant times, establishes us in truth when in Acts 7:38 he establishes the

BIRTH OF THE “CHURCH”/ECCLESIA/SYNAGOGUE/ISRAEL/ AT SINAI!!!

If IN FACT “the church” was born at Sinai when it initially received the Torah in supernatural tongues of fire, then one would expect all New Covenant [only] churches to have a Torah on display, commemorating the day they were formed from a rag tag band of slaves into a betrothed nation. So when you go to your favorite [hopefully FORMER] “NT ONLY” pastor, and your favorite [former] church, you would expect to find a nice kosher Torah to kiss! And, if you should walk into a church without a Torah or one that considers Torah to be a manifestation of Jewish legalism rather than a manifestation of the Spirit as seen in the tongues of fire, then naturally you should question both yourself, and the pastor. The obvious question would then come to mind. WHAT KIND OF A CHURCH IS THIS? IT DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A TORAH, SINCE BIBLICALLY SPEAKING BASED UPON YAHUWAH’S OWN INSPIRED WORDS IN ACTS 7:38, THE CHURCH/ECCLESIA WAS BORN IN THE WILDERNESS, AT THE GIVING AND RECEPTION OF TORAH!

Therefore any “NT only” pastor, that considers Torah as Jewish legalism designed to keep believers "under the law", ironically has forbidden his church’s birth certificate ANY ENTRY into the assembly. So if you find a church without a Torah, it’s kind of like locating Niagara Falls without water! Is it not? Biblically speaking, a church cannot be a church without a Torah scroll in the sanctuary ark, and the Torah written on the hearts/arks of it members (Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 31:33)!

Well now! Whose report will you believe? Now your choice is clear-cut! Do you accept Stephen’s report through scripture, given under inspiration of the Set-Apart Ruach or do you go with the classical misinterpretations, and the venomous scripture wrestling of the Roman church system, and her harlot unreformed and unrepentant prideful daughters?? The peace/shalom of your very nefesh/soul depends on it. What great peace and shalom there is for those who find their heritage among the people of historic Renewed Covenant Israel!

ONLY 1500 YEARS OFF

In Acts chapter 2 we have the virtual IDENTICAL reenactment of the initial giving of Torah, as it took place on Sinai circa 1500 BCE, with the identical signs and supernatural manifestations. All the elements of the first birth of our nation were also manifest at the initial rebirth of our nation, on the VERY SAME DAY, for the very same people, some 1,500 years apart! The worshippers in the Temple at Shavout/Pentecost in 33CE were not pagans, since pagans did not worship Yahuwah alone, did not confess the Shema alone, and did not travel great distances at great personal expense, to be at the temple of Israel with the people of Israel. No pagans were present in Acts chapter 2. NONE! The reason this concept is so hard for some in the “so-called church” to accept [that only Israelites were present in 33CE] is due to the fact that they have been told that on that very Shavout in 33CE, OLD Israel “officially disappeared”, TO MAKE WAY FOR A NEW ISRAEL. They then needed to insert pagans into a fabricated “upper room Pentecostal fairy tale experience”, in order to justify the continuing existence of a pagan based system of Sun worship and Mithraism, supposedly approved of by Yahuwah, with the supposed evidence of the giving of His Ruach. They either ignorantly or willingly refuse to tell the truth of that day’s exciting, and prophesied events, promised to Israel long ago.

Only Israelites would be dwelling, and worshipping with other Israelites at the focal point of the Israelite worship, and sacrificial system. That day those Israelites saw the same smoke, the same cloven tongues, the same wonders, the same fire, and heard the same shofar, that Israel had fifteen generations earlier. Both arrivals of Torah brought forth identical manifestations. The arrival of the living Torah to Israel, brought about a replica of the arrival of the living oracles given at the birth of the ecclesia on Sinai in the wilderness!

GREAT COMMISSION RENEWED

Matityahu 28:18-20 is the renewal of the Great Commission of Shemot/Exodus 20, as Yahshua our Savior/Yahuwah commands Israel to teach His Father's kingdom as they love their Messiah, and GUARD THE THINGS HE TAUGHT US AS THE LIVING TORAH. With this re-commisioning of the initial Great Commission, Yahshua makes sure that the Good News that we preach is accompanied by the guarding and observing of all His Torah teachings. When we mikvah/immerse and teach, we are not to teach our manmade doctrines. But we are to teach only what Yahshua taught, even as He taught ONLY what His Father taught Israel. Those who falsely teach that tongues were initially manifest for the first time to the “‘so-called church’ in the “upper room”, are ignorant of the very plain truth that the fathers of Israel had received both the gift, and the manifestation of tongues, about 1500 years earlier on Sinai, when the ecclesia was formed. Most Christians feel like the gift of tongues is an evidence of being filled with the Ruach. But our forefathers knew that the receiving of tongues from Yahuwah, was evidence of being filled with His Torah, and His Ruach (Yochanan/John 4:23-24)!

But don’t be too hard on the dispensationalist seminaries/cemeteries, since they are only off by about 1500 years regarding both the birth of the “so-called church”, as well as the manifestation of the cloven tongues of fire falling upon a people, all assembled in one place and in one accord.

The events of Acts chapter 2 is nothing more than the promised rebirth of the ETERNAL covenant people of Yahuwah, with the sealing sign, and wonders being identical to that manifested in Shemot 20. Acts chapter 2 is Yahshua's supernatural work to re-plant Israel back on the ancient paths, in order that Israel may find rest. Yahshua did not come to build a new church or convert Jews to Christianity. He came to bring all who were willing to be Israel into Israel, and to renew and expand Shem’s dwellings initially promised through Noach/Noah (Bereshith 9:27).

AS THE RUACH GIVES UTTERANCE

Now according to Acts 2:4, the talmidim spoke according the utterance given by Yahuwah the Ruach Himself. Only the Galileans spoke that which Yahuwah wanted spoken on that day in different languages, so that all returning Israelites could understand the Good News of the kingdom in their own foreign tongue. Among these feast keeping biological Israelites were also Yah-fearers or full converts, and also those who were proselytes or had just joined Israel, and had just begun to mature in their process to re-join Israel. So whether these feast keepers were biological, fully assimilated mature Yah-fearers or merely proselytes who had just begun their Israelite journey, it is plain to see, that all were ALREADY considered a PHYSICAL part of Israel, at various stages of return and commitment.

In order for the Shavout utterances to be of Yahuwah, the talmidim had to be speaking the very Words that Messiah spoke, and we have already established that Messiah spoke only the Words of the Father. So any utterance in tongues by the disciples had to be Torah based, and Torah centered, since the returning Israelites had previously accepted the Messiah, the actual living Torah. Yahshua said that He would send the Ruach to bring to all, the exact remembrance of His teachings, which are the identical ones given to Him by His Father Abba-Yahuwah. So any utterances given in the Ruach, and truly originating from the Ruach, must declare both the King’s resurrection, and His Torah.

The King would not allow the Spirit to utter any tongue other than what was originally uttered by Abba from heaven at Sinai, and by Messiah in Judea while on earth. So all tongues emanating from the Ruach, must be King centered and Torah regulated! Tongues were given to renew Torah to Israelites in Yahuwah’s House, who were tarrying in a spirit of anticipation, expectation, and hunger. That day on Shavout in 33CE, He did not disappoint His people. The Ruach came to bring scattered Yisrael BACK into the kingdom. The Ruach came to testify of the true coming kingdom of Yahuwah, when both houses will fully return in repentance, and submission. It is the blood of Messiah, and the Ruach of Messiah that has brought all nations into redeeming grace, and Torah favor, and that enables all it’s citizens to inherit Yahuwah’s eternal kingdom. On Shavout 33 CE the kingdom had begun to be restored. Obviously that task will be done fully by Messiah Himself when He returns, and not before (SEE PART 19 WHEN WILL WE BE ONE? at www.yourarmstoisrael.org).

Since Yisrael had been wandering all the nations for 721 years prior to Messiah, lost sheep from both houses were now speaking all the languages from all the nations where they were living in exile. In order for Yahuwah to reach them with the Good News, He split his voice AGAIN as He did at Sinai, so that all seeking citizens of Israel’s Commonwealth could take hold of the message of the living oracles, as found in the person of Yahshua the Nazarene! So what was delivered in different languages (perhaps 120?) had to be a renewal through internalization of the exact same Words of Torah given externally on Horeb. Horeb means sword in Hebrew, and we know that the Word of Messiah (Torah) is the sharp two-edged sword able to bring both houses of returning Israel, partially assembled that day on Mt. Moriah, back to full repentance.

TORAH IN ARABIC?

In addition to bringing back to remembrance, and internalizing the ancient words of paleo/ancient Torah, the Ruach was promised to also bring back the Words of Yahshua Himself, the living Torah. Therefore for an utterance in tongues to be from Yahuwah, it must speak according to the witness of resurrection life in Messiah, and the eternal Words of ancient Torah that He came to renew. According to Isaiah 8:20 if any utterance was to come that was not Torah based (the law), and failed to give witness of Moshiach’s physical resurrection (the testimony), it did not possess the light of Yahuwah’s truth. However we know that the Rauch fell with the same identical, manifestations as when Torah shone forth on Sinai, and so lightning and fire were part of the wonders seen that day in 33CE, signifying that the utterances in tongues did in fact contain the testimony of resurrection, and the instructions (Torah) of the Set-Apart One of Israel. One of the tongues interestingly enough was Arabic (Acts 2:11). And so we see here that the Good News, and the Torah were given in Arabic BY YAHUWAH, some 600 years BEFORE REVELATION WAS SUPPOSEDLY GIVEN TO MOHAMMED in something called the Koran. When Yahuwah spoke both the Torah, and the testimony in Arabic, it was to bring Arabs into Israel’s glorious commonwealth, and eternally secured national destiny.

TONGUES OF FIRE

When tongues were manifested on Sinai, they were done so to declare Yahuwah’s wondrous Words. So the Spirit in the House of Yahuwah, in order to be of Yahuwah, had to be saying the same things to the same people from the same source or we are faced with a Yahuwah who has changed. Since we know He does not, and cannot change, then neither will He allow His voice to speak Torah in tongues on Sinai, and then allow the same Spirit to speak against Torah in tongues to a different nation, and a different bride in order to establish a new ecclesia apart from historic First Covenant Israel. Only a blinded dispensationalist zealot would argue for this kind of fallacious mind stream. These “cemetarians “teach that the Spirit that was used to adopt eternal Israel, and proclaim eternal Torah, was later sent in 33CE to reject eternal Israel, and nail eternal Torah to a Roman cross. Would that be consistency, and immutability, which are Yahuwah’s great attributes, or would that be spiritual schizophrenia also known as dispensationalism/ and, replacement theology? Displenstionalism, and Replacement Theology are unclean sisters. For one cannot thrive nor survive without the other. For those who rightfully reject dispensationalism, there exists no new bride to replace the old bride, and thus the one bride continues to flourish unabated through Messiah's redemption, and internal regeneration! The same Ruach of grace that took Israel out from Mitzrayim/Egypt is now giving Torah afresh by that same Spirit of grace.

In Devarim/Deut. 4:36 we see that Yahuwah LET Israel hear His voice. It was not any sort of birthright but rather a graceful manifestation. His voice of grace was accompanied by FIRE, for Yahuwah showed forth or manifested His voice in tongues, in and through the FIRE. Israel was said to “hear His Words out of the midst of the fire”. The instructions of the Torah came through the fire, accompanied by the thunderings or tongues. Yahuwah gave Israel His Torah in tongues accompanied with fire. Yahuwah allowed these manifestations to occur while Israel heard His voice. Then 1,500 years later, He allowed that same nation keeping one of the three foot/ascension festivals, to hear the same voice, with the same great fire and tongues. They heard the Word in tongues but saw the fire. When Moshe had been called to redeem Israel, Yahuwah also caused His voice to be heard in and through the fire. So the events of Acts chapter 2 are Yahuwah’s allowance to reenact the very events, and the very methodology to the very same people, that had been graced to receive His voice, and His instructions on Mt. Sinai. Yahuwah declared His wonders on Sinai! After Messiah's resurrection, He once again declared His wonders.

WONDERS DECLARED

Now let us set our minds to determine the true meaning of the word wonders found in Acts 2:11. According to Acts 2:11 all those who had joined themselves to Israel, and had thus become Israel, heard and saw Yahuwah’s WONDERS or His GREAT DEEDS! Yahuwah’s voice also declared WONDERS on Sinai. On Moriah at Shavout in 33CE Yahuwah likewise again declared His wonders. Once we determine for sure that wonders is a synonym for Torah, we’ll see that the tongues of the Ruach are designed to deliver Torah instruction for righteous living, and honor its source/authority Yahshua/Yahuwah! So we as Israelites are to ENCOURAGE TONGUE TALKING, IF THE UTTERANCE IS IN FACT FROM THE RUACH! And how can we know if it’s from the Ruach? It must declare Yahuwah’s wonders. And by scriptural understanding wonders is another word for the living Torah, and the written Torah. The tongues of Shavout 33CE were not strange choppy kirch gibberish, found today on Sun-Day mornings. No! Not at all. It was the ecclesia receiving the Words of Sinai internally.

A simple search on the term “the wonders” of Yahuwah will reveal one simple basic and underlying truth. That the term wonders always did, and always will be synonymous with the marvels of Torah. This is seen in Tehillim 119:7-8. The psalmist beseeches Yahuwah that he may behold WONDERS OF, AND FROM TORAH. Psalm 119:129-130 states that the Torah is the Word of light, and of WONDER. Psalm 145:5 declares the mitzvoth of Yahuwah, as the wondrous works of Yahuwah. In Yeshayahu/Isaiah 28:26 Yahuwah Elohim is said to be the One to give ,and ordain right rulings/chukim. Then in Isaiah 28:29 these very rulings or chukim are said to be A WONDERFUL COUNSELOR! Since we know Yahshua is the living Torah, and that it was said of Messiah that He was GIVEN TO ISRAEL (UNTO US WAS BORN AND GIVEN) AS THE WONDERFUL COUNSELOR (Isaiah 9:6). So if Yahshua, and written Torah are both considered Wonderful Counselor, how can the Set-Apart Spirit of that same Wonderful Counselor give forth any other words or instructions on Shavout 33CE, other than the ones of the WRITTEN AND LIVING WONDERFUL COUNSELOR?

Remember. Tongues were given as Ruach filled utterances to testify in all languages, even in Arabic, the WONDERS OF Torah. Most tongue chopping gibberish in churches today, do not speak the words, mind, or wisdom of the wonderful Words, of Torah counsel, and therefore are not truly from Yahuwah, though oftentimes some may have a show of wisdom. Tongues given on Shabbat in a Shabbat meeting to Light-filled Torah honoring disciples glorifying Yahuwah’s Son, and His Torah, can and should be allowed supernatural manifestations. For those gatherings are replicas of the 33CE Shavout experience, which was a replica of the Sinai experience. As Rav Shaul said, [since you are all Israelites] "I would that you would all speak in tongues”(1 Cor. 14:5), since in Rav Shaul’s mind, tongues, and Torah were sending a synonymous message. So those in the Sabbath churches that are not really Messianic Torah assemblies but merely Sunday churches meeting on Shabbat, who often get all riled up when hearing utterances in tongues should learn to relax in Yahuwah’s truth. The source of the tongue, as well as the message of the tongue, indicates its validity or lack thereof. Its validity is not determined by one’s comprehension or lack of comprehension of the utterance itself.

BEWARE

Beware of those who claim that all tongue talking is automatically from the devil. There still remains a remnant group of Torah honoring tongue talkers, whose message both glorifies Messiah Yahshua, AND THE ETERNAL WONDERS OF TORAH. Biblically the declaring of Yahuwah’s wonders is to declare His eternal Torah. The warning of “blasphemy against the Ruach” found in Matityahu 12:31-32, is CLEARLY defined by Messiah, as incorrectly, and adamantly attributing the manifestations, and workings of Yahuwah to s.a.tan. Those who describe all tongue talking as demonic maybe guilty of this unpardonable sin! Be warned, be sober, and be most careful before bringing this charge, so that you do not stand condemned, and so you do not throw out the Israelite Torah baby along with the Roman bath water.

ON THE OTHER HAND

On the other hand, there were not 120 private mumbo jumbo sessions or “private utterances” that were completely unrelated. Rather the message was always related to the King's resurrection, and His eternal Torah instruction, in all languages, and dialects. The dialect varied but the underlying message remained the same. How different that is from today’s mumbo-jumbo unrelated private utterances in Sun Day assemblies, that mostly teach that grace has replaced Torah, as if somehow the unmerited exodus, the unmerited blood of the Paschal lamb, and the unmerited giving of Torah as the betrothal certificate to Messiah’s body, were not events of unmerited favor.

A MAJOR/MAJOR FEAST

Let both redeemed houses of Israel commence to see Shavout as the major feast that it truly is, (even being greater than Yom Teruah/incorrectly called Jewish Rosh HaShannah, and certainly equal to Yom Kippur) as it speaks of both the King, and His constitution becoming real to His people. It is the feast of dual celebration, as all Israel celebrates all things that pertain to her life and set-apartness. Both the Torah, and the King's Ruach were poured out on that same day, some 1,500 years apart, making Shavout one of the more important feasts, and one of only three ascension feasts. It remains the last of the spring feasts, having been fully fulfilled, and therefore is said to have “fully come” to all Israel.

Selah.

MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:24 pm

........................suze 'claims' without any supporting evidence, that the Hebrew word Mizraim 'means' the Americas, she pulls that out of her ass without any supporting evidence whatsoever....look at the above Timeline.......Here is the actual Biblical/Historical definition of the words: Mizraim....and Tsiyon/Zion...........let here stand toe to toe and debate that.......where is her counter evidence?.......up her woo woo ass? thumbs up

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Yep, BULLSHIT!
AUSTRALIA, OZ, O'Zion

Yes, it is Super Bullshit with Free Lollipops that anyone idioticly attempts to connect Australia with Zion/Tsiyon. It is proof that they are a lair thumbs up

Show any connexion with Zion to Australia. thumbs up

Mizraim means Egypt. Zion is Israel, NOT Australia thumbs up

Europe is a LARGER Continent then Australia. As a matter of FACT; Australia is the SMALLEST/RUNT Continent. And as large it may be, the size of your EGO makes it uncomfortably confining. But hey, that's only one of your many lies and deceptions. Let's talk about Mizraim, the Hebrew word for Egypt. You say it isn't. Where is your credentialed support for your ignorant nonsense? thumbs up

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Mizraim.html

Meaning and etymology of the name Mizraim
Mizraim

Mizraim is a son of Ham, son of Noah (Genesis 12:10). This name is also the common name for Egypt (which is also known as 'the land of Ham,', for instance in Psalm 105:23).

Egypt was known by the names Musuru, Musru, Misir or Masri in other languages, and Mizraim is probably simply a phonetic transliteration into Hebrew of any of them. The word looks identical to what a dual form of would look like (see below). This duality possibly helped to denote Upper and Lower Egypt. The word for Egyptian is .

The similar (masor), a poetic nickname for Egypt that is used on three different occasions (Isaiah 19:6, 2 Kings 19:24 = Isaiah 37:25, Micah 7:12), may shed some understanding on how a Hebrew audience might have interpreted the name Mizraim.

The noun (masor) means siege, entrenchment, and it derives from the verb (sur), bind, besiege. Another derivation of this same verb is the noun , stronghold. HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament notes that a stronghold or walled city may be an instrument of protection during the first stages of a war, but will turn into a lethal trap if a siege last long. A beautiful figurative use of this word occurs in Psalm 31:21, where the author compares himself under siege by his troubles.

The verb from which the noun derives, is part of a group of five different roots. These roots all have different linguistic sources but were perhaps readily incorporated into the Hebrew language due to similar or related meanings, more or less:
(swr) is the assumed root of the words (sawwar), neck and (sawwaron), necklace. The neck is simply a part of the body, but figuratively it is used as seat of strength (Job 39:19) and subsequently as target of defeat (by the placing of the victor's foot on the neck of the conquered - Joshua 10:24). The similarity between a necklace and a besieging army is obvious.
The verb (sur) means to bind or besiege; referred to above.
The verb (sur) means show hostility to, be an adversary. According to BDB Theological Dictionary and HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, this verb is probably a by-form of (sarar), see below.
The verb (sur) means to form or fashion. According to HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, this verb is possibly a by-form of (yasar), form or fashion.
The noun (sur) does not occur in the Bible, but is probably related to words in cognate languages that mean rock or hill. A derivative that does occur in the Bible is (sur), the common Biblical word for rock. BDB Theological Dictionary suggests relations with (sara), see below.

The words and are linguistically closely related. Their respective meanings also shows much kinship:
The verb (sarar) means to bind, be narrow/ confined, be in distress. Derivatives are: (sar), narrow, tight; (sar), distress; (sara), straights, distress; (sarar), suffer distress; (seror), bundle; (mesar), straights, distress. The latter word written in a dual form would yield the name , Mizraim. Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names assumed that this is what Mizraim would have meant to a Hebrew audience and reads Double Distress.
The verb (sarar) means show hostility towards. Derivation (sar) means adversary.
The assumed root (srr) is unused in the Bible but in Arabic it means be sharp. Its common derivative is (sar), pebble, flint.

The name Mizraim means Double Distress or Double Stronghold.

Bible Dictionary

Mizraim definition

the dual form of matzor, meaning a "mound" or "fortress," the name of a people descended from Ham (Gen. 10:6, 13; 1 Chr. 1:8, 11). It was the name generally given by the Hebrews to the land of Egypt (q.v.), and may denote the two Egypts, the Upper and the Lower. The modern Arabic name for Egypt is Muzr.

Mizraim From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim
Mizraim (Hebrew: מִצְרַיִם / מִצְרָיִם, Modern Mitzráyim Tiberian Miṣrāyim / Miṣráyim ; cf. Arabic مصر, Miṣr) is the Hebrew name for the land of Egypt, with the dual suffix -āyim, perhaps referring to the "two Egypts": Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt.

Ugaritic inscriptions refer to Egypt as Msrm, in the Amarna tablets it is called Misri, and Assyrian and Babylonian records called Egypt Musur and Musri. The Arabic word for Egypt is Misr (pronounced Masr in Egyptian colloquial Arabic), and Egypt's official name is Gumhuriyah Misr al-'Arabiyah (the Arab Republic of Egypt).

According to Genesis 10, Mizraim (a son of Ham) was the younger brother of Cush and elder brother of Phut and Canaan, whose families together made up the Hamite branch of Noah's descendants. Mizraim's sons were Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, Casluhim (out of whom came Philistim), and Caphtorim.[1]

According to Eusebius' Chronicon, Manetho had suggested that the great age of antiquity in which the later Egyptians boasted had actually preceded the flood, and that they were really descended from Mizraim, who settled there anew. A similar story is related by medieval Islamic historians such as Sibt ibn al-Jawzi, the Egyptian Ibn Abd-el-Hakem, and the Persians al-Tabari and Muhammad Khwandamir, stating that the pyramids, etc. had been built by the wicked races before the deluge, but that Noah's descendant Mizraim (Masar or Mesr) was entrusted with reoccupying the region afterward. The Islamic accounts also make Masar the son of a Bansar or Beisar and grandson of Ham, rather than a direct son of Ham, and add that he lived to the age of 700. Some scholars think it likely that Mizraim is a dual form of the word Misr meaning "land", and was translated literally into Ancient Egyptian as Ta-Wy (the Two Lands) by early pharaohs at Thebes, who later founded the Middle Kingdom.

But according to George Syncellus, the Book of Sothis, supposedly by Manetho, had identified Mizraim with the legendary first pharaoh Menes, said to have unified the Old Kingdom and built Memphis. Misraim also seems to correspond to Misor, said in Phoenician mythology to have been father of Taautus who was given Egypt, and later scholars noticed that this also recalls Menes, whose son or successor was said to be Athothis.

In Judaism, Mitzrayim has been connected with the word meitzar (מיצר), meaning "sea strait", possibly alluding to narrow gulfs from both sides of Sinai peninsula. It also can mean "boundaries, limits, restrictions" or "narrow place".[citation needed]

However, author David Rohl has suggested a different interpretation: "Amongst the followers of Meskiagkasher [Cush] was his younger 'brother' -- in his own right a strong and charismatic leader of men. He is the head of the falcon tribe -- the descendants of Horus the 'Far Distant'. The Bible calls this new Horus-king 'Mizraim' but this name is, in reality, no more than an epithet. It means 'follower of Asr' or 'Asar' (Arabic m-asr with the Egyptian preposition m 'from'). Mizraim is merely m-Izra with the majestic plural ending 'im'. Likewise, that other great Semitic-speaking people -- the Assyrians -- called the country of the pharaohs 'Musri' (m-Usri)." [2]

Genesis 10 - The Table of Nations
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0110.htm
The tenth chapter of Genesis . . . stands absolutely alone in ancient literature, without a remote parallel, even among the Greeks, where we find the closest approach to a distribution of peoples in genealogical framework . . . The Table of Nations remains an astonishing accurate document. (William F. Albright, cited in Boice)

A. The descendants of Japheth.

1. (1) The three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

2. (2) The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

a. The sons of Japheth: He was the father of the Indo-European peoples, those stretching from India to the shores of Western Europe. They are each linked by linguistic similarities that often seem invisible to the layman but are much more obvious to the linguist.

b. Gomer: From this son of Japheth came the Germanic peoples, from whom came most of the original peoples of Western Europe. These include the original French, Spanish, and Celtic settlers.

c. Magog . . . Tubal, Meshech: These settled in the far north of Europe and became the Russian peoples.

d. Madai: From this son of Japheth came the ancient Medes and they populated what are now Iran and Iraq. The peoples of India also came from this branch of Japheth’s family.

e. Javan: From this son of Japheth came the ancient Greeks, whose sea-faring ways are described in Genesis 10:5.

3. (3) The sons of Gomer.

The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

a. Ashkenaz: From this son of Gomer came the peoples who settled north of Judea into what we call the Fertile Crescent.

b. Togarmah: From this son of Gomer came the Armenians.

4. (4-5) The sons of Javan (the ancient Greeks).

The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

a. The sons of Javan were: Geographic names that spring from these names in this chapter abound. Linguists have no trouble seeing the connection between Kittim and Cyprus, Rodanim and Rhodes, Gomer and Germany, Meschech and Moscow, Tubal and Tobolsk.

B. The descendants of Ham.

1. (6) The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

a. Ham: The descendants of Ham are the peoples who populated Africa and the Far East.

b. Cush: Apparently, this family divided into two branches early. Some founded Babylon (notably, Nimrod) and others founded Ethiopia.

c. Mizraim: This is another way the Bible refers to Egypt. Put refers to Libya, the region of North Africa west of Egypt. Canaan refers to the peoples who originally settled the land we today think of as Israel and its surrounding regions.
2. (7-12) The sons of Cush.

The sons of Cush were Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan. Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.” And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. From that land he went to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (that is the principal city).

a. Cush begot Nimrod: One son of Cush worthy of note is Nimrod. He was a mighty one on the earth, but not in a good way. He ruled over Babel, which was the first organized rebellion of humans against God. The name Nimrod itself means, “let us rebel.”

b. Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord: The context shows that this is not a compliment of Nimrod. The idea is that Nimrod was an offense before the face of God.

i. “This is not talking about Nimrod’s ability to hunt wild game. He was not a hunter of animals. He was a hunter of men - a warrior. It was through his ability to fight and kill and rule ruthlessly that his kingdom of the Euphrates valley city states was consolidated.” (Boice)

ii. A Jerusalem Targum says: “He was powerful in hunting and in wickedness before the Lord, for he was a hunter of the sons of men, and he said to them, ‘Depart from the judgment of the Lord, and adhere to the judgment of Nimrod!’ Therefore it is said: ‘As Nimrod the strong one, strong in hunting, and in wickedness before the Lord.’ ”

iii. Ginzberg quotes from a Jewish legend: “The great success that attended all of Nimrod’s undertakings produced a sinister effect. Men no longer trusted in God, but rather in their own prowess and ability, an attitude to which Nimrod tried to convert the whole world.”

iv. “Hence it is likely that Nimrod, having acquired power, used it in tyranny and oppression; and by rapine and violence founded the domination which was the first distinguished by the name of a kingdom on the face of the earth. How many kingdoms have been founded in the same way, in various ages and nations from that time to the present! From the Nimrods of the earth, God deliver the world!” (Clarke)

3. (13-14) The sons of Mizraim.

Mizraim begot Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim (from whom came the Philistines and Caphtorim).

4. (15-19) The sons of Canaan.

Canaan begot Sidon his firstborn, and Heth; the Jebusite, the Amorite, and the Girgashite; the Hivite, the Arkite, and the Sinite; the Arvadite, the Zemarite, and the Hamathite. Afterward the families of the Canaanites were dispersed. And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon as you go toward Gerar, as far as Gaza; then as you go toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.

a. Canaan begot Sidon: The family of Sidon, the son of Canaan, went north and is related to the Hittites and Lebanese.

b. And the Sinite: Many people believe the Oriental peoples descended from the Sinites.

5. (20) The spread of the descendants of Ham.

These were the sons of Ham, according to their families, according to their languages, in their lands and in their nations.

C. The descendants of Shem.

1. (21-22) The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram.

And children were born also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder. The sons of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram.

a. Children were born also to Shem: From Shem comes Elam, who was an ancestor to the Persian peoples; Asshur, who was the father of the Assyrians; Lud was father to the Lydians who lived for a time in Asia Minor; and Aram was father to the Arameans, who we also know as the Syrians. Arphaxad was the ancestor to Abram and the Hebrews.

2. (23) The sons of Aram.

The sons of Aram were Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash.

a. Uz: Later, a region in Arabia was named after this son of Aram.

Job came from the land of Uz (Job 1:1).

3. (24-30) The sons and descendants of Arphaxad.

Arphaxad begot Salah, and Salah begot Eber. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. Joktan begot Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal, Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan. And their dwelling place was from Mesha as you go toward Sephar, the mountain of the east.

a. All these were the sons of Joktan: The names under the son of Joktan (son of Eber, son of Salah, son of Arphaxad) are all associated with various Arabic peoples.

b. And Jobab: The one named Jobab may be the one we know as Job in the Old Testament.

4. (31) The spread of the descendants of Shem.

These were the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, in their lands, according to their nations.
5. (32) Summary statement: the nations after the flood.

These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.

a. “Hence one must consider this chapter of Genesis a mirror in which to discern that we human beings are, namely, creatures so marred by sin that we have no knowledge of our own origin, not even of God Himself, our Creator, unless the Word of God reveals these sparks of divine light to us from afar . . . This knowledge the Holy Scriptures reveal to us. Those who are without them live in error, uncertainty, and boundless ungodliness; for they have no knowledge about who they are and whence they came.” (Luther, cited in Boice) thumbs up

MIZRAIM = EGYPT

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You also deceive about the Replacement/Superssessionism Theology......This is Strike 3 and a few more to go. thumbs up

http://www.biblestudyproject.org/israel3.1-replacement-theology-messianic.htm

The Truth

We believe Israel is God's special people, distinct from the body of Messiah, chosen by Him to be a holy nation and a Kingdom of priests. The election of Israel is irrevocable. . . . We believe the Abrahamic Covenant is an irrevocable, unconditional covenant God made with Jewish people. This covenant provides title to the land of Israel for the Jewish people and promises a descendant (the Messiah) who would come to redeem Israel and bless the entire world. The spiritual blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant overflow to all the nations. God will ultimately fulfill every aspect of the covenant in the Messianic Kingdom, both physical and spiritual. . . . thumbs up

Your LIE!!!!!!!

A. SUPERSESSIONISM OR REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

The meaning of this doctrine is that the church superseded or replaced Israel as God's covenant people. The three claims presented under this heading are:
1. God has rejected Israel,
2. the church has replaced Israel as God's covenant people, and
3. the church is therefore spiritual Israel.

If God has rejected Israel, then that clears the way for a replacement people; and if that people is the church, then the church may be considered spiritual Israel. It is also conceivable that some who believe that Israel is still God's covenant people would consider the church spiritual Israel because it is composed of people whose spirits have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. We will now hold the light of Scripture to these claims and possibilities. thumbs down

Paul follows his emphatic response with, for I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. . . . What is his point? If God had rejected Israel as His covenant people, then every Israelite would be disqualified from the possibility of being saved; yet he is an Israelite who is saved, and that proves that God has not rejected His people.

To sum up, we have noticed two proofs that God has not rejected Israel as His covenant people:
1. By the very meaning of May it never be! in the way that Paul used it in different contexts.
2. By the fact that Paul was a saved Israelite.

Nevertheless, we'll address several passages that need clarification.

b. Romans 11:1-5

1. I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? 3. "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE." 4. But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL." 5. In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice.

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)
http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

These are serious errors/deformations in your Theology and Worldview. What do you have to say for yourself. You gibber on and on about being persecuted yet you, yourself; are the persecuter. You lie about the Jews and their Sacred scriptures and you attempt to steal their identity and destiny, without being able to read/write Hebrew. Your ignorance and hubris is appalling Capiche? thumbs up

Zion/Zionism thumbs up

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

Some theologies, e.g., ancient Epicureanism and modern Deism, believe in a god, or gods, but think they have nothing much to do with the world in which we live. Others, like Stoicism, believe that god, or “the divine,” or “the sacred” is simply a dimension of our world, so that “god” and the world end up being pretty much the same thing. Both of these can give birth to practical or theoretical atheism. The first can let its “god” get so far away that he disappears. This is what happened with Marx and Feuerbach in the nineteenth century, allowing the “absentee landlord” of eighteenth-century Deism to become simply an absentee. The second can get so used to various “gods” around the place that it ceases to care much about them. This is what happened with a good deal of ancient paganism in Greece and Rome, until, as Pliny wryly remarks, the arrival of Christianity stirred up pagans to a fresh devotion to their gods.[9]

The Jews believed in a quite different “god.” This god, YHWH, “the One Who Is,” the Sovereign One, was not simply the objectification of forces and drives within the world, but was the maker of all that exists. Several biblical books, or parts thereof, are devoted to exploring the difference between YHWH and the pagan idols: Daniel, Isaiah 40-55, and a good many Psalms spring obviously to mind. The theme is summed up in the Jewish daily prayer: “YHWH our God, YHWH is one!”[10]

Classic Jewish monotheism, then, believed that (a) there was one God, who created heaven and earth and who remained in close and dynamic relation with his creation; and that (b) this God had called Israel to be his special people. This twin belief, tested to the limit and beyond through Israel’s checkered career, was characteristically expressed through a particular narrative: the chosen people were also the rescued people, liberated from slavery in Egypt, marked out by the gift of Torah, established in their land, exiled because of disobedience, but promised a glorious return and final settlement. Jewish-style monotheism meant living in this story and trusting in this one true God, the God of creation and covenant, of Exodus and Return.

This God was utterly different from the pantheist’s “one god.” This is an important point to note: many, including many scholars, have blithely assumed that because Stoics and others talked about “one god” they were saying the same thing as the Jews. This God was also utterly different from the far-away ultra-transcendent gods of the Epicureans. Always active within his world, did he not feed the young ravens when they called upon him?[11]—he could be trusted to act more specifically on behalf of Israel. His eventual overthrow of pagan power at the political would be the revelation of his overthrow of the false gods of the nations. His vindication of his people, liberating them finally from all their oppressors, would also be the vindication of his own name and reputation. In justifying his people, he would himself be justified. In his righteousness, his covenant faithfulness, they would find their own.

This monotheism was never, in our period, an inner analysis of the being of the one God. It was always a way of saying, frequently at great risk: our God is the true God, and your gods are worthless idols. It was a way of holding on to hope. We can see the dynamic of this monotheism working its way out in the manifold crises of second-temple Judaism, with the Maccabees, Judas the Galilean, and above all the two wars of the late 60s and early 130s A.D. revealing how the creational and covenantal theology and worldview remained at work through the period and in different groups.

This God was both other than the world and continually active within it. The words “transcendent” and “immanent,” we should note, are pointers to this double belief, but do not clarify it much. Because this God is thus simultaneously other than his people and present with them, Jews of Jesus’ day had developed several ways of speaking about the activity of this God in which they attempted to hold together, because they dared not separate, these twin truths. Emboldened by deep-rooted traditions, they explored what appears to us a strange, swirling sense of a rhythm of mutual relations within the very being of the one God: a to-and-fro, a give-and-take, a command-and-obey, a sense of love poured out and love received. God’s Spirit broods over the waters, God’s Word goes forth to produce new life, God’s Law guides his people, God’s Presence or Glory dwells with them in fiery cloud, in tabernacle and temple. These four ways of speaking moved to and fro from metaphor to trembling reality-claim and back again. They enabled Jews to speak simultaneously of God’s sovereign supremacy and his intimate presence, of his unapproachable holiness and his self-giving compassionate love.

Best known of all is perhaps a fifth. God’s Wisdom is his handmaid in creation, the firstborn of his works, his chief of staff, his delight. God’s Wisdom is another way of talking about God present with his people in the checkered careers of the patriarchs and particularly in the events of the Exodus. Wisdom becomes closely aligned thereby with Torah and Shekinah.[12] Through the Lady Wisdom of Proverbs 1-8, the creator has fashioned everything, especially the human race. To embrace Wisdom is therefore to discover the secret of being truly human, of reflecting God’s image.[13]............................Out of all this, I have argued in various places that we can, as historians, properly reconstruct Jesus of Nazareth’s sense of vocation. We can study John the Baptist’s vocation, and Paul’s: why should we not study Jesus’? When we do so, we find that dozens and dozens of lines of inquiry converge to produce a well ordered, coherent, historically credible sense of vocation, emerging in central symbolic actions, hinted at in a hundred cryptic and teasing sayings. Jesus believed he was Israel’s Messiah, the one in whom Israel’s history was to be summed up. Jesus believed he would win the messianic victory over the real enemy and would build the true messianic temple through taking Israel’s fate upon himself and going to the cross. Jesus believed that in doing so he was not just pointing to or talking about, but was actually embodying, the return of YHWH to Zion. These, though striking and startling, emerge from the world of Second Temple Judaism like the flower growing suddenly out of the plant. They were not expected, but upon inspection this is where they belonged. All the elements of the package were around somewhere in the culture. They are not, repeat not, a retrojection of later Christian theology, not even of later NT theology, which by and large developed in other legitimate ways. They are only credible, but they are totally credible, as the historically reconstructed mindset of Jesus himself. And they form, not the substance of later atonement and incarnational theology, but its historical starting point.

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I have argued elsewhere that a central feature of Jewish expectation, and kingdom expectation at that, in Jesus’ time was the hope that YHWH would return in person to Zion. Having abandoned Jerusalem at the time of the exile, his return was delayed, but he would come back at last. Within this context, someone who told cryptic stories about a king or a master who went away, left his servants with tasks to perform, and then returned to see how they were getting on must—not “might,” must point to this controlling, over-arching metanarrative. Of course, the later Church, forgetting the first century Jewish context, read such stories as though they were originally about Jesus himself going away and then returning in a “second coming.” Of course, cautious scholars noticing this, deny that Jesus would have said such things. I propose that here at the heart of Jesus’ work, and at the moment of its climax, Jesus not only told stories about the king, who came back to Zion to judge and to save. He acted as though he thought the stories were coming true in what he himself was accomplishing. This is the context, at last, in which I think it best to approach the question with which this essay began.........................................And Jesus seems to have believed it about himself. The language was deeply coded, but the symbolic action was not. He was coming to Zion, doing what YHWH had promised to do. He explained his action with riddles all pointing in the same direction. Recognize this, and you start to see it all over the place, especially in parables and actions whose other layers have preoccupied us. Why, after all, does Jesus tell a story about a yearning father in order to account for his own behavior?[36] It is this that also accounts for his sovereign attitude to Torah, his speaking on behalf of Wisdom, and his announcement of forgiveness of sins.[37] By themselves none of these would be conclusive. Even if they are allowed to stand as words and actions of Jesus, they remain cryptic. But predicate them of the same young man who is then on his way to Jerusalem to confront the powers that be with the message and the action of the kingdom of God and who tells stories as he does which are best interpreted as stories of YHWH returning to Zion, then you have reached. I believe, the deep heart of Jesus’ own sense of vocation. He believed himself called to do and be what in the scriptures only Israel’s God did and was.

..................................What are we therefore saying about the earthly Jesus? In Jesus himself, I suggest we see the biblical portrait of YHWH come to life: the loving God, rolling up his sleeves (Isa 52:10) to do in person the job that no one else could do, the creator God giving new life the God who works through his created world and supremely through his human creatures, the faithful God dwelling in the midst of his people, the stern and tender God relentlessly opposed to all that destroys or distorts the good creation, and especially human beings, but recklessly loving all those in need and distress. “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd; he shall carry the lambs in his arms; and gently lead those that are with young” (Isa 40:11). It is the OT portrait of YHWH, but it fits Jesus like a glove. ...............

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Apparently you don't know shit about 'ZION'. thumbs up

http://mashiyach.com/

The Kingdom of Elohim is represented by Tsiyon (pronounced Tsee-yone or Zion in English), a literal place in Jerusalem, that symbolizes a spiritual place, the seat of Mashiyach's government on this earth. Originally Zion was a small location in Jerusalem, then it became a code name for the whole city of Jerusalem.

For it is said in the Scripture, “Behold, in Tsiyon I lay a chosen and precious stone for the head of the corner; and whoever believes in him will not be ashamed.” On you therefore who believe is this honor conferred: but to them who do not believe “he is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” And they stumble at it because they believe not the Word from where they were appointed. But you are an elect race, officiating as priests of the Kingdom; a Set Apart people, a redeemed congregation; that you should proclaim the praises of him who called you out of darkness to his precious light: who formerly were not counted as a people but now are the people of Elohim; and also, there were (once) no mercies on you but now mercies are poured out upon you. My beloved, I entreat you as strangers and pilgrims, separate yourselves from all lusts of the body, for they war against the soul. And let your behavior be honorable before all men; so that they who utter evil speeches against you, may see your good actions and may praise Elohim in the day of trial. And be submissive to all the sons of men, for Elohim’s sake; to kings, on account of their authority; and to judges because they are sent by him for the punishment of offenders, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of Elohim, that by your good deeds you may stop the mouth of the foolish who do not know Elohim: As free men, you are not like men who make their freedom a cloak for their wickedness, but as the servants of Elohim. 1 Peter 2:6-16

Throughout Scripture we read of a Kingdom that is not of this earth, but it is shaped from the pattern that is in Heaven. The tabernacle in the wilderness was built according to the specifications that YHWH gave to Moses and within that tabernacle, each of the physical elements are symbols of the spiritual or heavenly Kingdom. It is also interesting to note that Zion is mentioned in 153 verses in the Tanakh... this is the same number of fish the disciples caught in John 21:11. The symbolism is clear, Yeshua taught his disciples how to build the Kingdom of Heaven, as opposed to a religion "about" the Kingdom of Heaven, a very big difference.

We are being trained to know what Tsiyon is, and what it is not. No religion or people's groups have exclusive rights to Tsiyon, it belongs to the people of Mashiyach regardless of religion, race, color or creed. The Government of Tsiyon is on the shoulder of Mashiyach. Mashiyach is returning to the Mount of Olives from whence he departed, but this time round Scripture tells us he will be Mashiyach Ben David a much different scenario than when he first came to earth.

There is the Israel of Elohim (spiritual) and there is the other kingdom of Israel of the flesh. Not all who are Israel of the flesh are the Israel of Elohim. If we can look at Jews, Christians or Muslims without judging them by their religion or race, then we are getting closer to ZION, as how it is revealed in Mashiyach. The Kingdom of Elohim is a government, NOT a religion.

Tsiyon is also the place in our neshama (spirit) where we connect with Mashiyach where our heart receives and gives love for all of Creation, where we can see all others through the eyes of Mashiyach and carry no prejudice towards anyone. The Kingdom is within us, it is not an external government or religion.

You're claim that Israel is an insignificant strip of sand illuminates your ignorance. Israel is the Left/Western Arm of the fertile Crescent..........the Israelites have even made the southern desert areas bloom due to hard work, a foreign concept to you. thumbs up

http://www.zionism-israel.com/

What is Zionism?
Zionism is the political movement that is implementing the national liberation of the Jewish people. It is based on the assertion that the Jewish people, like any other people, has the right to self-determination; Jews have a right to a national home in their historic homeland. Zionism has made a reality of the "impossible" project of restoration of the Jewish people to our homeland, after nearly 2,000 years of exile. The work of Zionism is far from complete, however.

Zionism has always been a part of Judaism
The ideological and cultural foundations of Zionism have always been present in Jewish tradition. Jews always thought of themselves as a nation or people. The concept of "am Yisrael" - the "people of Israel" or "nation of Israel," has been inherent in Jewish culture from ancient times. Jewish cultural and religious life always centered around the land of Israel. This did not change during two millennia of dispersion.

You're welcome in advance, thumbs up

MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:34 pm

Here's that Timeline again, from NOW to the Big Bang.................let's see where she inserts the Biblical Events like Noah, Abraham, Moses..........She says the Noah event happened 2.4 billion years ago..... ......she says the Hebrews left the Americas 200 million years ago..........her bullshit is boundless...... ...... lmao

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#bang

Counting Backwards from Now
60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia

1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.

3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth.

4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!

MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:41 pm

Okay Susie Woozie, let's see credentialed, supported Evidence for your claims.

Let's see official definitions for the words: Mizraim, Tsiyon/Zion, Torah

MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:43 pm

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MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:48 pm

Oh, by the way Suze, you misquote the Book of the Revelation of YHWH, it is NOT: I am the alpha and omega, the New Testament was originally Scribed in Hebrew, the Lashon Hakodesh/Holy Language, as the Messiah, Yahshua/Jesus was a Torah conscious and Obedient Jewish servant of YHWH, as were ALL the Apostles and most of the early followers, what is actually said is: I am the Aleph and the Tau, the Unity and perfection............also the Tree of Life is the Etz Chaim and you actually condemn yourself with that quote as it clearly states that only those that obey the Word of YHWH/Torah/Commandments/Mitzvot will have access to the Tree.

You really are as mess aren't you? Read it for yourself, test it. thumbs up

http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/12-2004-PW.pdf

Yahweh—The Alpha And Omega?
The phrase Alpha and Omega is written four times in the King James Version of the Scriptures. However, this phrase should only
have been written three times. It was added to the Scriptures once, in order to infer that it is Yahshua Messiah Who is Alpha and
.O.mega. Alpha and Omega are first written in: Revelation 1:8, KJV—
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending...
This Scripture cannot be any clearer than it is. This is Yahweh speaking about Himself.
.Then, Alpha and Omega are again written in: Revelation 1:11, KJV—
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last...
After Yahchanan heard this being spoken, he turned around to see Who said it (verse 12), but saw Yahshua Messiah (verses 13-
.1.1.7). We can see this for ourselves in: Revelation 1:17-18—
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. But He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me: Do not be afraid; I am the
first and the last.
18 I am He Who lives, but was dead. And: Behold, I am alive forevermore. HalleluYahweh! And I have the keys of death and Sheol;
the grave.
In other words Yahshua told Yahchanan not to be afraid, for He was alive forevermore. Yahshua did not identify Himself by that
title Alpha and Omega.
.Then, the phrase Alpha and Omega is again written in Revelation 21:6-7, which is speaking of Yahweh. Revelation 21:6-7, KJV—
6 And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the
fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he shall be My son.
Yahweh is the Father, so it is definitely Yahweh Who is doing the speaking in this prophecy.
Now, we come to the Scripture in which the words Alpha and Omega were added, in order to say that Yahshua is the Alpha and
.O.mega. This Scripture is Revelation 22:13. Revelation 22:16 undeniably states that these are Yahshua’s words. Revelation 22:12-17, KJV—
12 And behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, 117the beginning, and the end, the first and last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
cities.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine Angel, to testify unto you these things in the Churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the
bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come. And let him that heareth, say, Come. And let him that is athirst, come. And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely.
Page 22 The Prophetic Word 12-2004
Notice Footnote Number 117, which has been circled in verse 13. The footnote of this Bible, shows that the Alexandrian (NU)
and the Vatican (M) texts omit the phrase, Alpha and Omega.
117 NU-Text and M-Text read the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Well, you might say, “What difference does it make that those three little words were added to this Scripture in Revelation
22:13?”
Never before has there been a true understanding of what Yahweh actually said when He identified Himself as the first and the
last.
Since we know that Yahweh said that He is the first and the last in Revelation 21:6, let us thoroughly study the Scriptures to
come to Yahweh’s truth.
In Revelation 1:8, the Being Who is speaking identifies Himself as the Almighty, Who we all know is Yahweh.
Following is an exact copy of this Scripture from The Concordant Version of the Sacred Scriptures, which one can see differs
greatly from the more modern Greek Interlinear:
.A.lmost all English versions of the Bible render Revelation 1:8 in the same way the King James Version is translated. Revelation 1:8, KJV—
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
By merely leaving this text as it is written, a tremendous understanding has been lost. However, if these two Greek letters are
researched in detail, one will readily see that Yahweh is revealing much more about Himself than just being the beginning and the
end.
In the Greek alphabet, the letter alpha is the first letter, and omega is the last letter. However, in the Hebrew Language, in which
even the so-called New Testament Scriptures are now known to have been originally written, the letter aleph a is the first letter, and
the letter tau t is the last.
It is an admitted fact by the Biblical scholars that Revelation 1:8 should say in Hebrew:
I am the ALEPH and the TAU instead of I am the ALPHA and OMEGA .The Anchor Bible, Revelation Volume 38, page 379, gives us the explanation of this phrase.
8. the Alpha and the Omega. The Hebrew would be aleph and taw, probably standing respectively for Urim and
Thummim, the sacred lots of the high priest used to determine the will of God, and also meaning all “encompassing.”
Adam Clarke, in his Commentary, Volume 6, page 971, agrees that alpha and omega are aleph and tau in Hebrew.
[The beginning and the ending.] That is, as aleph or alpha is the beginning of the alphabet, so am I the author
and cause of all things; as tau or omega is the end or last letter of the alphabet, so am I the end of all things,
the destroyer as well as the establisher of all things.
We would not be any better off, however, if this Scripture (Revelation 1: Cool

is properly rendered: “I am the Aleph and the Tau.”
We still would not know what Yahweh means when He identifies Himself by the first and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet,
unless this is further researched.
The letters aleph and tau must be researched to see if they do have a meaning, or message, to convey.
What the Bible translators did not realize (or they rejected) is that each individual Hebrew letter can be a word or phrase unto
itself, with a specific meaning. This is clearly pointed out by Fabre d’Olivet in his book, The Hebraic Tongue Restored. Dr. d’Olivet
gives clear, precise explanations of the meanings of each individual Hebrew letter, and what they point out or declare. On page 98
of his book, Dr. d’Olivet also states that knowing that each Hebrew letter has a meaning of its own, is the key to understanding the
Scriptures.
In reference to the letters aleph and tau, Dr. d’Olivet gives clear proof that these two letters make statements in their own right.
The first letter in the Hebrew alphabet, as Dr. d’Olivet points out from The Hebraic Tongue Restored on pages 95 and 287,
stands for unity.
a A.__This first character of the alphabet, in nearly all known idioms, is the sign of power and of stability. The ideas that it expresses
are those of unity...
a A. First character of the alphabet in nearly all known idioms. In its hieroglyphic acceptation, it characterizes unity, the central
point, the abstract principle of a thing. As sign, it expresses power, stability, continuity.
On pages 98 and 465 of this book, Dr. d’Olivet clearly points out that the letter tau, the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, means
and stands for perfection.
t TH.Sign of reciprocity: image of that which is mutual and reciprocal. Sign of signs. Joining to the abundance of the character d,
to the force of the resistance and protection of the character f, the idea of perfection of which it is itself the symbol.
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t TH. This character as consonant, belongs to the sibilant sound. As grammatical sign in the Hebraic Tongue, it is that of sympathy
and reciprocity; joining, to the abundance of the character r , to the force of resistance and protection of the character f, the idea
of perfection and necessity of which it is the emblem.
Incredible as it may sound, both single letters aleph and tau, are in themselves Hebrew words that have specific meanings.
As Clark in his Commentary, and the writers of The Anchor Bible, Revelation, have shown,the Alpha and Omega should have
been written: the Aleph and the Tau.
Now, with the true meanings of these Hebrew letters revealed, all can see the statement that Yahweh is actually making in these
.S.criptures. Revelation 1:8—
I am unity (Aleph) and perfection (Tau), the Beginning and the End, says Yahweh: Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come: the
Almighty.
.O.ther Scriptures verify that Yahweh is unity and perfection. Deuteronomy 6:4—
Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is One.
.Y.ahshua Messiah, a begotten Son of Yahweh, Who was the Savior sent by Yahweh, taught that Yahweh is perfection. Mattithyah 19:17—
But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One who is the standard of perfection, and that is
. Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. Mattithyah 5:48—
Therefore, become perfect, just as your Father Who is in heaven is perfect.
Yahweh is revealing Himself again to be unity and perfection. These Scriptures that reveal the Alpha and Omega, the Aleph and
the Tau to be Yahweh Almighty (Revelation 1:8; 1:11; and 21:6) do not point out Yahshua Messiah. Nor can Revelation 22:13,
in which this phrase was added, be used to claim that Yahshua Messiah pre-existed.
Yahshua Messiah: First And Last—Beginning And End
Having proven that the words Alpha and Omega were added to this Scripture, Revelation 22:13, The Book Of Yahweh correctly
.r.eads. Revelation 22:13—_
I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
We know Yahshua said this. We know it is no contradiction for Him to call Himself the last, for He will live forever.
We know it is no contradiction for Him to call Himself “the end,” for He is the end result of having kept His Father’s Laws
.p.erfectly. Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.

The translators tried to distort this Scripture to try to make you believe that Yahshua Messiah ended the Law. Romans 10:4 taken
.f.rom theKing James Version, shows us how this Scripture has been distorted. Romans 10:4, KJV—
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.
If you will research the meanings of the word translated end in this Scripture, then you will see that this word means ultimate, prophetic
purpose, and not end as is universally understood in the English context.
The word translated end in Romans 10:4, as well as Revelation 22:12 is word #5056, from Strong’s Greek Dictionary and
means to set out for a definite point or goal; prop. the point aimed at as a limit, ultimate or prophetic, purpose.
Religious imposters also use Romans 10:4 in order to deceive the people in this world into thinking that Shaul taught against
Yahweh’s Laws. The Apostle Shaul never once taught against the Law of Yahweh. In fact, he taught all to keep Yahweh’s Law. In
.t.he same book of Romans, which Shaul wrote, we find the following Scriptures. Romans 2:13—
. For not the hearers of the Law are the righteous in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law are the righteous. Romans 6:16—
Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey; whether of sin which leads to
death, or of obedience which leads to righteousness?
There are many Scriptures in the book of Romans, which teach against sin: against breaking the Law of Yahweh (I Yahchanan
3:4). However, these two should be enough to show you that the Apostle Shaul did not teach against the Laws of Yahweh, as the
false religious leaders would have you believe.
Now, in Revelation 22:13, Yahshua called Himself the “last” because He has been resurrected to eternal life, and now He will
never die again. He called Himself the “end” because He is the end product, the ultimate result of keeping the Law of Yahweh.
What did He mean when He called Himself the first in Revelation 22:13? Did He mean that He was the first being to ever exist?
Many would have you think so. Did He mean that He was the Father of all living? There are some who would have you believe this.
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.W.as Yahshua saying that He pre-existed? If you will let Scripture interpret the Scriptures, then understanding will come. Revelation 1:5—
And from Yahshua Messiah; the faithful witness, and the firstborn from the dead, and the Ruler of future kings of the earth. To Him
Who loved us and freed us from our sins by His own blood.
When Yahshua called Himself the first in Revelation 22:13, He made no reference to pre-existence. Yahshua simply meant that
He was the firstborn from the dead, which means that He was the first to be raised from the dead and given eternal life. Because
Yahshua was raised from the dead, He is now immortal, He was the first to be fully created in the full image of Yahweh. This is what
Yahshua meant when He said He was the first, in Revelation 22:13.
What, then, did He mean when He called Himself the beginning in this same Scripture? Does this mean that He was in the
.b.eginning with Yahweh, as some would also have you to believe? The answer to this question is found in: Revelation 3:14—
And to the malak of the congregation of The House of Yahweh in Laodicea, write: These things says the Faithful and the True One,
the One testifying of the faith and the truth; the first perfected of Yahweh’s creation.
In this Scripture, Yahshua called Himself the beginning of the creation of Yahweh. Yes, man in his present physical state, is only
.a. half-created being, because we are still corruptible flesh, as Shaul said. I Corinthians 15:53—
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
We are still dying in this world. If you do not believe this, just read the obituaries. Man is only in the likeness of Yahweh at this time;
man was created to resemble Yahweh. Man has a form just like Yahweh, a head, a chest, arms, legs and feet, just as Scriptures describe
Yahweh as having.
However, Yahshua Messiah, because He is the first to be raised from the dead to eternal life, is now in the full image of
Yahweh. Yahshua is perfected. He has become the first or the beginning, among men, to reach the state of perfect, completed,
whole creation, as Yahweh’s Plan for mankind is.
Therefore, He still has no reference to pre-existence in calling Himself the beginning in Revelation 22:13. Yahshua Messiah
simply meant that He was the beginning, the first perfected of Yahweh’s whole creation, or plan for man.
Yahshua: Now Fully Created, Mankind: Now Half Created
Y.Yahshua Messiah said the following. Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.
When we are called out of this world by Yahweh’s Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh’s Holy
Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom.
To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.
.When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers. Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among
many brothers.
When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly
.l.ike the Father. Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh’s plan, by upholding all things concerning
that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh
on high;
The definition of the word conform from Webster’s New World Dictionary of the American Language is to make the same or
similar, to bring into harmony or agreement; to be in accord or agreement.
In order to receive the reward of eternal life, as Yahshua did, we must be conformed to the same image that Yahshua obtained.
The next question is, hOW did Yahshua obtain this image? Scriptures show that He was not born with this image but through a
.p.rocess, He became the perfect creation of Yahweh. Revelation 3:14—
...the first perfected of Yahweh’s creation...
Yahweh’s perfected creation becomes our hope. We will become perfectly created if we overcome, just as Yahshua is the first perfected
now. Yahshua is only the beginning, the first. There are many more to be made perfect and to become Yahshua’s brothers, the actual
.s.ons of Yahweh. Colossians 1:18—
For He is the Head of the body, the called out ones, Who is the beginning of the firstborn from the dead, so that in all things He may
have the pre-eminence.
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Keep in mind what the Apostle Shaul said in Romans 10:4. Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law of Yahweh. Now,
.n.otice the warning recorded for us in the following Scriptures. Romans 16:19—
For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore, I am glad on your behalf, but I want you to be wise in what is righteous and
simple, concerning evil.
Then Comes Persecution
Yahshua Messiah was most definitely persecuted. The thing to understand about these persecutions is that He benefitted from
.t.hem. Notice what is recorded for our instruction. Hebrews 5:8-9—
8 Though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience from the things which He suffered;;
9 Then being perfected, He became the Causer of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him.
It is a Scriptural fact that Yahshua Himself learned obedience from the things He suffered. That is, He saw the cruelty of those who
did not follow Yahweh’s way, and that impressed upon Yahshua all the more the need for every person’s obedience to Yahweh’s
Laws.
Yahshua experienced the hatred of those who were disobedient, and through this suffering He came to despise the shame that
.c.omes with disobedience. Hebrews 12:1-2—
1 Therefore, since we are also surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily
entraps us; and let us run the race that is set before us, with endurance,
2 Looking to Yahshua, the first Who was led and perfected by the faith, Who, for the joy that was set before Him: endured the sacrifice,
despising The Shame; Bosheth: Baal, Lord, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of Yahweh!
Yes, Yahshua suffered because He lived by every Word that proceeded out of the mouth of Yahweh. Because He lived that kind
of life in front of the carnally minded, He suffered persecution. But through that persecution He became perfect, because any
temptation He experienced quickly disappeared when He saw what was coming from those carnally minded people who persecuted
Him.
Yahshua Messiah Tempted In All Points
.T.hen, we see another aspect of Yahshua’s trials and suffering in: Hebrews 2:18—
For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted; tested and tried, He is able to help those who are being tempted.
Yes, Yahshua Messiah was tempted. He was human. Therefore, He was subject to temptation. In fact, Yahshua was tempted in
.e.very way we are tempted. Hebrews 4:15—
For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are—yet was without
sin.
.T.his one pointthat Yahshua was tempted in all ways, sets Yahshua apart from Yahweh, because Yahweh cannot be tempted. Yaaqob 1:13—
Let no one say when he is tempted: I am tempted by Yahweh; for Yahweh cannot be tempted with evil, nor does he tempt anyone.
Yahshua Messiah Made Perfect Through Suffering
Many people are not able to see the result of the sin going on around them. Yet, the world is filled with people suffering from
sins.
However, when Yahweh calls them out and opens their minds to understanding the importance of His Laws, and they begin
suffering, first hand, the hatred of carnally minded people who hate Yahweh’s Laws, then they are finally able to see the results of
sin. They even come to despise Baal (the lord)just as Yahshua Messiah did. That is the reason the Apostle Shaul wrote that we are
.a.ctually made perfect through suffering. Acts 14:22—
They strengthened the minds of the disciples, and exhorted them to remain firm in the faith, and that we must, through much tribulation,
enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh.
Yahweh allowed Yahshua to suffer, in order to make Him see, first hand, the results of sin. It may be necessary that Yahweh will
.a.lso have to let each of us suffer before we, too, fully realize the results of sin. Now let us compare Hebrews 2:10 to Hebrews 5:9. Hebrews 2:10—
For it was fitting for Him—on account of Whom are all things and through Whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory6to lead
. the Prince of their salvation to perfection through sufferings. Hebrews 5:9—
. Then being perfected, He became the causer of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him. .Hebrews 5:9 from the King James Version is rendered differently from The Book Of Yahweh, and says: Hebrews 5:9, KJV—
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those who destroy the earth.
The word translated angry comes from a Hebrew word meaning provoked or enraged, eaching forth or excitement of the mind,
violent, passion, abhorrence, anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath.
Is this not what we see among the nations today? Yahweh showed that sin—deception, greed, violence, hatred, and war—will
prevail until four-fifths of the population is wiped out and the sun is darkened, making it impossible for mankind, or any other
form of life as we know it, to survive. This is all because of the teachings that lead to the breaking of Yahweh’s Laws, leading all
.t.he world into iniquity. Mattithyah 24:11-12—
11 And many false prophets will rise, and will deceive the many.
12 And because iniquity; the breaking of Yahweh’s Law, will abound, the love of the many will grow cold.
Please notice in the above verses that the Savior is saying that these religions are teaching people to practice and abound in
breaking Yahweh’s Laws.
Yahweh’s prophets foretold of nuclear bombs before mankind even knew of explosives. They even predicted which nation
would invent this destructive power.
In the writings of these same prophets, the names of George W. Bush and Ariel Sharon are given to us along with these words,
“the end.”
All nations are building for the world’s greatest time of trouble. Mark it on your calendar, this time of trouble spoken of is the
42 moons of war, cut short by seven moons.
The religions that reject Yahweh’s Laws and His Name do not know the way to peace as the Prophet Isayah wrote. They are
.l.eading the governments into sin and destruction, instead of righteousness and peace. Isayah 59:1-8,15—
1 Behold, Yahweh’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear.
2 But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so
He will not listen.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered
perverseness.
4 No one calls for justice, nor does any plead for truth. They trust in vanity; confusion, and speak lies; scriptural untruths. They conceive
mischief; trouble, and give birth to evil; sin.
5 They hatch vipers’ eggs, and weave the spiders’ web; he who eats their eggs dies, and when one is broken a viper bursts out.
6 Their webs will not serve as clothing, nor will they cover themselves with what they make; their works are works of iniquity, and
the act of violence is in their hands.
continued from page 2
And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him.
Just reading the King James Version, one might think that (1) Yahshua was made perfect, and (2) that He was the author of eternal
salvation.
However, I want you to know that the translators of the King James Version lied to you.
They, as well as all the false religious leaders in this world, want you to think that Yahshua pre-existed and Hebrews 5:9 is one
of the Scriptures they try to use to prove their doctrine. However, there is quite a difference in the meanings of the verb forms:
being made perfect and having been perfected.
The translators, and deceived preachers who teach false doctrines, are the very ones who want you to also believe that Yahshua
is the author of salvation. They want you to believe that the Plan of salvation was written by Yahshua, however, Yahshua is not the
author; Yahweh is the author.
The word translated author in the King James Version is word #159, from word #154, in Strong’s Greek Dictionary, and
means a causer, to ask. We are also instructed to compare word #4441, in order to find the complete meaning of word #154.
Word #4441 means strictly a demand of something due.
Therefore, because Yahshua Messiah came to perfection, He received that which was His due: eternal life, and became the
.c.auser of eternal salvation to all those who obey Yahweh. Hebrews 13:20-21—
20 Now may the Father of peace—the One having brought up out of the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep, our Redeemer
Yahshua, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every righteous work to do his will; working in you that which is well pleasing in His sight, as he did in
Yahshua Messiah—to Whom belongs the glory forever and ever. HalleluYahweh!

MoMo Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:55 pm

Suze, looks like you are wrong about everything..........Define Mizraim, Tsiyon/Zion, Torah........... thumbs up

Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Australian-desert-map

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Biomapsm

true lilly wrote:

Just pointing out, that one of my (spammed over) posts, had a link to
a quake watcher's youtube warnings, that pointed out how many of
the central and east coast quakes were NOT being reported and even
DELETED from the Seismic Data Records...that 'the average Joe' can access

See, you don't need to invent and use high tech. WMD to take out
the 'useless eaters', you only have to withhold the facts of the unstable
state of the lands people are encouraged into, and let that unstable
land, do it's worst.
[color=black]And I'll make some other 'killer' points on this absurd topic later

[/quote]

Yo!!!!! suzi wuzi!!!!

WTF!?!?!

This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche?

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

[b]Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 1229381703_2

http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent noway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

thinking hmm

Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.

A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.

cheese

H

true lilly Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:15 am

...some interesting stuff in today's news that goes to explaining why
'el kabong' had to spam over and bury this post:
[quote="true lilly"]

true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
44 ...
It's All About Numbers And Codes

Grid 44

Becker and Hagens' Planetary Grid system
places balanced Grid Point 44 in Southern Australia.

Glyph at Grid Point 44 shows Anubis

Egypt, Australia Connection,
Ancient Glyphs

'they' can't bear the thought of Justice .

'they' would rather 'destroy all flesh' ,
than give up all 'they've' taken.

Tuff!
God told 'em He wouldn't allow that.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3070
tintin wrote:

Robinson Crusoe: Offenbach

Operette by JACQUES OFFENBACH.
OFFENBACH is a city in germany.

Here the mayor of OFFENBACH, Horst Schneider.

Schneider: Robinson

HORST SCHNEIDER born on day 44 and
Nr 44 is married to ROBINSON.

Robinson: War
Make War!
Winner takes it all: Elaine
ELAINE is the b side of THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL.
(WINNING and LOSING. LOSER ends up with NOTHING)

ROBINSON CRUSOE Island is part of CHILE.
CHILE constitution dates 11 SEPTEMBER 1980.
21 years after Chile

911 was 21 years after the CHILE CONSTITUTION.
21 dead in the ROBINSON CRUSOE crash.
BREIVIK killed on day 203 on UTOYA. 23 = 666.

Breivik: Robinson

BREIVIK born on day 44.
Nr 44 married to ROBINSON and BREIVIK killed on
a little ROBINSON ISLAND on a FRIDAY.
Aborigines Were the First Americans
Aborigines Were the First Americans BBC - August 27, 1999 - BBC

tintin wrote:
28-10-2007, 02:36 PM #421

For people who think that THE WIZARD of OZ has
nothing to do with AUSTRALIA.

That is the UNOFFICIAL national song of Australia.

Frank baum, the WRITER of the OZ series.

MATILDA joslyn cage.

Mother in law of Frank baum.

MATILDA lived half of the
time in Frank Baum's home.

Frank Baum very much connected to the town
of SYRACUSE.

It was in SYRACUSE that Archimedes SHOUTED

And it's the EUREKA in Ballarat, Australia they are meaning.

AUSTRALIA is the BIG SECRET.

true lilly wrote:30-10-2007, 04:00 AM #482
Right,
GIBRALTAR,
PILLARS of HERCULES,
a "SEAGATE"....
30 October 2007, 00:27 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/default.stm

Seagate has been in the area for 10 years
More than 900 computer jobs to go
Seagate Technology's base in Limavady,
Co Londonderry,
is to close with the loss of hundreds of jobs.

N IRELAND'S BIG PICTURE

A wall-walking gargoyle provided some thrills at a Halloween howler event
at Carrickfergus Castle in County Antrim over the weekend.

Funny, but combine
"SEAGATE"
and a CANNON on the COAST,
and instantly I'm reminded that
in BOTH WORLD WARS,
The FIRST SHOTS BY
THE BRITISH EMPIRE
were FIRED FROM
AUSTRALIA!

Prehistoric man went to the movies,
say researchers June 29, 2010

The ancient Aboriginal rock carving
known as 'Climbing Man' (C)
is shown in this photo taken on
the Burrup Peninsula in Australia in 2008.

Prehistoric man enjoyed
a primitive version of cinema,
according to
Austrian and British researchers,
who are currently seeking to
recreate these ancient visual displays.

Why so many Moderators at ?

To prevent THOSE OF US 'THEY' ARE BETRAYING,
FROM BEING SHOWN 'THEIR' ACTUAL PLOTS.

Coat of Arms of
John of Gaunt,
First Duke of Lancaster

Coat of arms of John of Gaunt
asserting his kingship over
Castile and Leon,
combining
the Castilian castle and lion
with lilies of France,
the
lions of England
and his heraldic difference
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 L_3248a94dd1b1462e8fbaccdabdd209f3

http://www.ssaa.org.au/capital-news/2008/2008-11-10_an-uncompromising-patriot-bob-katter-mp.html
An uncompromising patriot:
Bob Katter MP
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 2008-11-10_bob-katter1

Irwin won't contest Ashgrove seat at election
Melinda Howells
Updated
September 05, 2011 13:10:21
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 2870578-3x2-340x227

Photo: Mr Irwin has told ABC Radio
he does not like what he has learnt about politics
since the approach.
(Greg White : Reuters - file photo)

Related Story:
Bob Irwin considers tilt at politics
[url=http://maps.google.com/?q=-27.45,152.9833(Ashgrove 4060)&z=5]
Map: Ashgrove 4060[/url]

Environmental campaigner Bob Irwin
says he will not contest the Brisbane seat of Ashgrove
at the next Queensland election.

The Queensland Party approached Mr Irwin to run
against Labor's Kate Jones and Liberal National Party
(LNP) leader Campbell Newman.

However, the Queensland Party is now facing deregistration
after leader Aidan McLindon defected
to federal MP Bob Katter's Australian Party.

Mr Irwin has told ABC Radio he does not like
what he has learnt about politics since the approach.

"I've decided that I've got no confidence in our political system
to protect our environment and so I've decided to use all my endeavours
to continue to be a wildlife activist," he said.

"I feel that if I had the added responsibility of being a political-type person
then I just very well may let my animal friends down."

Mr Irwin says he has concerns about Mr Katter's views on environmental issues,
and does not have confidence the political system can protect the environment.

Mr McLindon says he was not aware of Mr Irwin's concerns.

"Bob certainly hasn't explained that to me." he said.
"Obviously it would have been a factor for him to consider."
Mr McLindon says he accepts Mr Irwin's decision.

"I support his decision 100 per cent as he's seen politics
can be a pretty nasty game out there," Mr McLindon said.

"I think the reality is he's going to be very effective on the outside to keep
championing his causes and I look forward to working with him in the future."
____________________________________________________________________
1 September 2011 marks one year since
the Australian Greens signed an
historic agreement with
Prime Minister Julia Gillard's Labor Government.

The Gillard agreement has achieved outcomes for Australians
in terms of passage of bills and lack of confrontation between the houses.

We have consultation instead of confrontation.
The agreement was reached after the Greens
secured a breakthrough win with
Adam Bandt in the lower house seat of Melbourne
and a record number of senators,
and contains detailed policy and accountability mechanisms.

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Bob-dylan-together-through-life

It's Alright, Ma I'm Only Bleeding
with Lyrics
https://youtu.be/Ietp9Gl5Cco

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Icke_book

Yep, BULLSHIT! &"funny"
how David Icke Left
AUSTRALIA, OZ, O'Zion
OFF the map of 'his' world...
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBFllXqxk7wWcTb9hZZjNSJ-mMMJX7v6jYvOxuOiRb4kT2Moyyjw

O, OZ, IN OZ, O'Zion
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Australien-neuseeland1-300x261

[quote="true lilly"]Quote:

Originally Posted by cycles of time
SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 Viewpost

mayans/aztecs and other indiginious of that region believe that death is just the gateway to another more spiritual plane of life. they honour death. much of the sacrifices that took place were voluntary.

and pyramids were the easiest structures to build . its common sense when it comes to architecture.

Sounds 'comforting' don't it. "SWEET WORDS THAT TICKLE THE EAR".

There is a reason that ISRAEL was
DELIVERED OUT OF MITSRAYIM, The AMERICAS.
DEATH WORSHIP....that was translated MUCH LATER into Egypt.

Likewise that RAINBOW/FEATHERED SERPENT in common with
both OZ and Ancient America, here in OZ, they WARN that when
it's RAISED AGAIN, ALL HEAVY SHIT HITS THE FAN!

They KNEW what they where escaping, The BEAST'S Rule!

But yes, the FIRST death is into sleep, not that bad, not anything,
just unconsciousness, but "They" twisted it out of truth and turned it
into "justification" for HUMAN SACRIFICE, and ALL the PUSHERS of
that seduction into DEATH WORSHIP, WILL are going to be MIGHTY
BLOODY SORRY when they're Resurrected from that First death,
to FACE GOD and "Have Their Account Settled".

So here again, we have two examples of people considered 'extinct',

due to those DEATH WORSHIPERS of this LAST KINGDOM Age. LOOK
CLOSELY at the face of the AUSTRALIAN standing man in the hat
and the face of the SOUTH AMERICA stone head of 'peoples unknown'.

If you can't SEE the SAME people with the SAME style,
it can only be 'spiritual blindness'.

true lilly wrote:Originally Posted by vera susa
(attached image at link below)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1673

7 7 7 = 21 = 2 1 = 3 = TRINITY = TRIANGLE = PYRAMID = EGYPT.

This is a DEATH/SACRIFICE CULT, "JOKE",
because as we know, there are PYRAMIDS,
ALL OVER THE WORLD, but they are mainly like these...

NOT quite "TRIANGLES like the "FAMOUS ONES" in Egypt,
but like these from the Land these people now 'said' to EXTINCT,
lived in. SOUTH AMERICA...

Like these people also 'said' to be EXTINCT,
from TASMANIA of the Land of OZ[ION]...

But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES!
The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM,
is that it causes
the TIME LINES of Human History
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED
into a SHORT period
of THE LAST KINGDOM AGE
of
TOES of IRON MINGLED with CLAY,
"as if" it is 'many' of those ages, so
WE MISS ALL THE CURRENT SIGNS
of WARNING,
and HATE and BLAME GOD
for 'not' KEEPING HIS PROMISES
instead of SEEING that in FACT,
HE HAS KEPT THEM ALL![/size]
Ah, but I'm just "CRAZY" aren't I?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1676
Get ready for more TORAH SPAM...
...poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"...

CURSE JUDAH and BE CURSED.

Well,
GOD HAS, LONG BEEN RE-GATHERING,
JUDAH and ISRAEL
and THOSE JOINED TO THEM,
in The UNIQUELY GLORIOUS Land,
that HE DESCRIBED...
and YOU, KEEP CURSING BOTH,
RE-JOINED ISRAEL & JUDAH and
That Land From Which,
ALL THE NATIONS ARE HEALED!

Listen, BLIND FOOL...it ain't about 'size'...
I NEVER SAID it was about 'size'...
...that's your sick attachment...
your deliberate, deadly lie...

...oh, and what did happen to MY ORIGINAL Post,
that YOU SO INSANELY, HAD TO HACK into more of
YOUR, FILTHY LIES, that you call 'quotes'...
...too bad for YOU, GOD KNOWS...

(ah, found it elsewhere )

SEE!!!
The AREA of EUROPE "SHOWN",
ON This COMPARISON.
Now, DO YOU want to do some HONEST WORK and
ADD UP ALL THOSE NATION STATES' POPULATIONS,
then ALSO COMPARE THAT!...?

...ah, but it's THIS
that's really GOT YOUR GOAT...
Comparison of the size of
Israel vs. Australia

Note: Israel is shown in blue.

Now, WHERE would a THINKING Person
see GOD RE-GATHERING HIS 5 to 10% REMAINING
of The World's Population?
In that recently invented, shit strip of desert, 'israel', or...

The Australian maps over the world
can help you visualize how
vast this country is.

These overlaid Australian maps show the relative size of Australia
over the world to help in comparing it to the major other ares in the
world.
For easy comparison Australia’s land area is 7,706,168 sq
km. Europe on the other hand has a square km area of 3,483,066.
Australia is just about twice as large as all of Europe and is two
thirds as large as the continental United States.
It is
remarkable that Tourists arrive here thinking I will rent a car and
drive all over it in two weeks. For those of you who like the beach
there is about 12,000 km of beach. Plenty of room for you, your beach
chair and umbrella.

Aboriginal Art is available in all major cities but it is produced
mostly in the Northern Territory, Central Desert and Arnhem land areas
of Australia. Contact us through our contact page for more detailed maps
of those areas.
Maps Australia over the world, courtesy of www.bartelpc.com.au
Australian Maps
Aboriginal History
Home Page
Oh but remember, GOD ALSO PROMISED
to PRESERVE a RICH, STABLE LAND...and SEE,

so many more Nations than in Europe, that populated it,
even long after it was utterly devastated,
after JOSHUAH died and ISRAEL FORGOT GOD...

YES, THE RICHLY BLESSED, STABLE Land,
UNlike ...

...and EVERYWHERE ELSE...

It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...
...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED...

THERE IS NO LAND at
THE NORTH POLE

Quite the contrary
the South Pole
is located in a continent.

LEBANON=WHITE=ANTARCTICA

National Library of Australia Home > News & Events

A reproduction of a 1566 world map by Nicolas Desliens.
With south orientated at the top,
the top left corner has a large land mass
that is claimed to be Australia,
charted from Chinese voyages.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.map-rm1898

LISTEN TO THE WORDS LONG WRITTEN DOWN...
...THE MAN, COMES AROUND...
https://youtu.be/iSPlJusBJ-E

Colour coding relates to topographic height,
with dark green at lower elevations,
rising through yellow and tan,
to white at the highest points.

It looks familiar, but it is no ordinary map.

It is part of the most detailed topographic map of the world
ever made, according the US space agency NASA .

For 11 days in February 2000
the space shuttle Endeavour circled the world,
using a sophisticated radar to chart all the land
between 60 degrees north and 56 degrees south,
and 80 per cent of the Earth's land was mapped
with a resolution of 90 metres.

NASA noted that Australia
was the flattest continent in the world.

"Its low average elevation (300 metres) is caused by
its position near the centre of a tectonic plate,
where there are no volcanic or other geologic forces
of the type that raise the topography of other continents.

"Prominent features of Australia
include the Lake Eyre Basin,
the darker green region visible in the centre-right.
At 16 metres below sea level, this depression is
one of the largest inland drainage systems
in the world, covering more than 1.3 million
square kilometres.

...and what happens when we STOP DRAINING...
...RE-BUILD what WAS...
ANCIENTLY, UTTERLY DEVASTATED...
...RE-BUILD the CANALS and CISTERNS...
...and RE-PLANT...and...

COOK's ENDEAVOUR,
NASA's ENDEAVOUR
=
LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION...
...TIME & SPACE, TIME & PLACE...

...GOD'S TIME, TIMES & SIGNS...
...CRYSTAL CLEAR...DRINK IT IN,
THE WATER IS FREE...

DO bother, to drink in,
every full meaning, of every word,
and NOT only of this chapter...

Revelation 22:1-21
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=22&v=1&t=KJV#top

¹And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. ²In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was
there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded
her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing
of the nations.
³And there shall be no more curse:
but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it;
and his servants shall serve him:

⁴And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

⁵And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light
of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever
and ever.

⁶And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true:
and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew
unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

⁷Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings
of the prophecy of this book.

⁸And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard
and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which
shewed me these things.

⁹Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not:
for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets,
and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

¹⁰And he saith unto me,
Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:
for the time is at hand.

¹¹He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

¹²And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.

¹³I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.

¹⁴Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

¹⁵For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

¹⁶I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.

¹⁷And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

¹⁸For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

¹⁹And if any man shall take away from the words of
the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part
out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from
the things which are written in this book.

²⁰He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

²¹The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
...oh and btw,
THE SAFEGUARD GOD WROTE INTO HIS WORD,
was NOT comparing mans lying words against mans lying words,
but to TEST:
HOLY SCRIPTURE against HOLY SCRIPTURE,
and,
WHAT WAS REAL (FROM THE BEGINNING)
and IS REAL, in ALL The World and ALL The Earth,
That GOD CREATED. Because GOD CAN'T LIE,
let alone contradict HIMSELF, and as soon as you decide...

to DENY GOD'S WORD that DESCRIBED
WHAT GOOD SCIENCE keeps DISCOVERING, such as:

the water covered globe;
that one land mass was raised out of it;
LIFE EXISTED in and on the world, without death,
UNTIL Oxygen formed=The Prince of The Air/DEATH entered;
that NOAH'S TIME of RE-populating ALL The Earth with
people and The ORIGINAL KINDS of animals, WAS LONG,
BEFORE The ONE LAND MASS Started to Divide...

YOU DECIDE to FAIL THE TEST.
el kabong wrote:

...I'll see, YOUR POISON FRUIT-LOOPS...and RAISE,
with The GOOD FRUIT (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
that my Faithfulness To THE CREATOR of LIFE,
BLESSED THE WORLD WITH...

Lovisa using Demi for a pillow

See, I was happy rescuing, healing and re-homing the lost,
but 'they' thought to tempt my pride, and got me a pedigree dog.

But, I didn't want to show (the horse world had cured me of that),
only breed good dogs to put in loving homes, and so my dogs
had to pass my tests (of safe, sound temperaments, and bodies),
in my home, on the farm, out in public, before they were chosen
as breeders.

The showing and world records that followed, were simply,
GOD'S BLESSINGS for Breeding BY HIS LAW...and oh, how
much 'they' HATED me, FOR ALWAYS GIVING ALL CREDIT TO GOD,
when 'they' would badger me for 'the secret' of my success,
that IS NO SECRET, but Published All Over The World; GOD'S WORD.

true lilly wrote:LOVE and BLESSINGS
https://youtu.be/pP1CCH7DEQM

...but how to gather and present it all IN CONTEXT,
is a hard ask, so I'll start with a few headlines,
and a related post:

Also Today

Pacific forum: Gillard to stay silent on smugglers

Breaking News

More Breaking News

1:34PM
Police stand by store detective in Fisher case
1:28PM
Australia still a desirable destination
1:26PM
Economy rebound underlies resilience - Swan
1:15PM
$20m windfall for Cats and heritage centre

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 358550-september-11

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!! - Page 8 358550-september-11

What was once the site of the World Trade Centre
is a mammoth, pulsing construction plaza as
thousands of workers toil 24 hours a day.
The soul of the brawny space is
The National September 11 Memorial.
Take our exclusive 360 degree tour of the site.
Picture: AFP Read More

true lilly wrote:So, do you think that when
David Icke comes to OZ, anyone in OZ,
will dare to PUBLICLY demand that
David Icke PUBLICLY explain:
Why "tintin" and his supportive followers
are allowed to break, all the forum rules,
as well as Committing the CRIMES of
USING THE INTERNET to TERRORIZE,
THREATEN and PLOT, Actual Murderous
attacks, against actual individuals, who
don't support, but rather, expose,
David Icke's Secret Agenda?

Or has enough been explained already...
for example, as in this one, very short and simple,
post:

...mmm...and for those still caught in worshiping
Team Tintin's insanely, word, letter, colour, image,
date and number etc. TWISTING, Code Speak...

Consider Why (besides it being a reminder to
'the insiders', that The First Month spoken of
in Old Testament Holy Scripture, IS, The First
Month of Spring in The SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE,
DURING The Truly ANCIENT AGE of Man Living on
The ONE Land Mass of The Super Continent), 9/11
was chosen by 'them' to be 'The Numbers' associated
with The "TERROR" INFLICTED for people daring to
care to seek, understand and Serve God, while keeping
in mind, that PSALM 119, is referred to as, "The Mini
Bible in The Middle of The Bible".

THE PERFECT SYMMETRY of GOD:
Psalm 119 happens to be the exact middle chapter
in the entire Word of God. ... of the Word of God
which gives to the name of the "mini-Bible". ...

Funny to, how a small part of what made me a
World Record holding Breeder of Champions,
was my God Blessed "Eye For SYMMETRY"...
...and to further expound on the topic of this thread,
here's a post from a related thread:

Oh, but I feel I must clarify:

my greatest moments, are those countless posts
that show good, modern science, to have discovered,
that what is actually written in God's Word, Is True.

And, that only, good modern science teaches what
God described, but not any of the recognised, Worldly
Religions; from, Catholic to Scientologist, Mormon to Ba;hi,
Atheist to Satanist, Jewish, Protestant, to Islamic et al,
who preach that insanely too short, "out of Egypt", World
and Human 'time-line' as being "Biblical", makes it pretty
clear to me, and others, What, The Last Great Apostasy,
of The Last (now long crumbling), Worldly Kingdom Age, IS!

PSALMS 119:
ALEPH. Blessed ⁸³⁵ [are] the undefiled ⁸⁵⁴⁹ in the way ¹⁸⁷⁰,
who walk ¹⁹⁸⁰ in the law ⁸⁴⁵¹ of the LORD ³⁰⁶⁸.

Blessed ⁸³⁵ [are] they that keep ⁵³⁴¹ his testimonies ⁵⁷¹³,
[and that] seek ¹⁸⁷⁵ him with the whole heart ³⁸²⁰.
...continue at:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=119&v=1&t=KJV#top

Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:
true lilly wrote:

THE PERFECT SYMMETRY of GOD:
Psalm 119 happens to be the exact middle chapter
in the entire Word of God. ... of the Word of God
which gives to the name of the "mini-Bible". ...

Funny to, how a small part of what made me a
World Record holding Breeder of Champions,
was my God Blessed "Eye For SYMMETRY"...
...and to further expound on the topic of this thread,
here's a post from a related thread:
Not Quite Right,
You Are One Chapter Out For Perfect Symmetry...

Chapters Of The Bible Before Psalm 118? 594
Chapters Of The Bible After Psalm 118? 594
Add The Two Together And You Get 1188.
The Verse At The Very Center Of The Bible? Psalm 118:8

"It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man."

- Psalm 118:8

Oh dear, the link to the quote, failed.
But please, lets not start a whole new,
distracting debate on how much empty space
each letter of each WORD, CHAPTER & VERSE
(sans the later added, numbering of them),
takes up.

The RELEVANT Point I was adding to your,
"9/11" thread, was THE RELEVANT, REVEALING,
'short version' of The Truth of God's Word, that
is PSALMS 119, placed in the middle of writings
that contain, "EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN".

See, I also put the Foundational Structure of
The Bodies and Character, Bred to do the job of
being Excellent Multi-Purpose Servants of man,
ABOVE cosmetic features. And ended up with BOTH.

Symmetry is about BALANCE and as we know,
it's the 'Weight' of 'Substance' that effects Balance,
not the space given over to empty quibbling over
the space between the barbs of man's tricky quills.

And there's no end to the tricky games played with
images, colours, word, letters, dates and numbers,
in the vain effort to 'make a liar out of God'.

So God also gives us some simple tools to cut through
the dense jungle of tricky, deadly deceptions, to His,
Simple, True Life Saving, Faithful Word.

9/11=the terror man inflicts on man.

119=God's Faithful Word that
banishes those terrors.

...it's also part of why 'they' keep to
the Roman/American date writing order...
...to help keep folk blind to the deadly lies,
and From The Saving Truth...

..."changing times and Seasons"...
...change God & sciences Time Line,
to the "out of Egypt" farce, hop over the equator,
and 'they've' changed Times and Seasons.

"beware the ides of March"
March=Spring=September
in The Great Southern Land,
that God Promised to Israel.

true lilly Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:09 am

Pacific forum:
Gillard to stay silent on smugglers

Pacific forum:
Asylum talks would be 'rude' - Nauru
( Smile

I also got to 'hang out with' The Head of Nauru
in my youth, as came up in conversation yesterday Wink

)

true lilly wrote:
This powerful, feature-length documentary
spans the stories of loss and survival at
Ground Zero on September 11;
through to a perpetrator who through his own beliefs
committed the unthinkable.
Read More

9/11="own beliefs"=terror=death

119=God's Word=Survival through
the Courage of Living by your Conviction
in God's Word.

Pacific forum:
Gillard to stay silent on smugglers

Rebound shows economy is strong - Swan

2:16PM
AAP
WAYNE Swan says the rebound in growth
after summer's natural disasters
is down to the underlying strength of the economy.

Shares stronger despite overseas falls

11:08AM
AAP
THE Australian share market opened
more than one per cent stronger,
bucking weak leads from offshore markets
overnight.

Markets: Warning bells toll for Europe

Economy: Banks are holding their breath

Regulation: Banking industry goes on the attack

Sorry, the point here is that it is, NO COINCIDENCE
that America's and Europe's Massive Economy's
have CRASHED
in the 10 years since the 11th of the 9th 2001, "9/11",
while Australia's keeps going from strength to strength.

Nor is it a surprise, to those who Trust and Understand,
God's Word.

But, these are all only still,
God's Promised Warning Signs
and reminders that it is still, up to,
every individual to choose to keep
trusting lying man to 'save' them,
or 'Get Right With' God, and LIVE.

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