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Sounds of the sea
Why the US Navy doesn't want us listening to the ocean deep
16 January 2012
Last updated at 17:21 GMT
1.3K
Sounds of the sea:
Listening online to the ocean floor
Satellite photos used to be for military eyes
only, but Google Earth changed all that. Now something similar is
happening to the ocean depths, with any web user able to listen in and
"surf the sea floor" - and the US Navy is not happy.
By Rhitu Chatterjee and Rob Hugh-Jones
PRI's The World
"The cable is going underneath here," says Benoit
Pirenne, standing at the water's edge on Canada's Vancouver Island.
"It's going out 500 miles (800km) in a big loop in the ocean, coming
back in the same place."
The Vancouver cable connects a network of scientific
instruments on the floor of the north Pacific, some as deep as 1.5 miles
(2.5km).
Set up by Pirenne and his colleagues at the University of
Victoria, and called Neptune Canada, they continuously monitor the
marine environment.
Ocean floor listening posts in the north Pacific off Vancouver Island
The scientists are harvesting large amounts of information,
including water pressure readings that help them better understand the
movement of tsunamis through oceans, which they hope will lead to more
accurate warning systems.
But they are also listening.
Pressure-sensitive microphones pick up the live sounds of
everything from whales and shipping to seismic activity and the movement
of tectonic plates, and this audio is shared with scientists all over
the world.
It's also now available to anyone else with an internet connection.
Ocean 'ears'
"This is like big ears placed on the bottom of the ocean,"
says Michel Andre, a bioacoustics expert at the Technical University of
Catalonia in Barcelona, as he listens to the audio being streamed live
from Vancouver.
Many locations marked on listentothedeep.com stream audio in real time
Andre's passion is the study of noise in the ocean, both
natural and man-made, and how it affects marine life including whales
and dolphins.
"Sound travels five times faster through water than through
air, and in the ocean it can travel for thousands of miles," he says.
To help the non-scientific community appreciate just how noisy the oceans have become, he's launched a website called listentothedeep.com which streams the live sounds from Vancouver, and 14 other ocean floor "observatories" around the world.
"Here you can hear the noise coming from a ship," says Andre as he clicks on a green dot in the Mediterranean.
The ship is on the surface of the sea, but its monotonous
engine sound eerily dominates the soundscape more than a mile below.
Software developed by Andre's team can identify a range of different sounds.
A graphic representation of the sound of the Japanese earthquake, 11 March 2011
"These coloured bars here represent the sound of sperm whales," he says.
"And if you click here, in the sound library, this is the noise of the Japanese earthquake."
An audio graph of bright orange shows the pattern of the
earthquake sound, which came from the Kushiro and Hatsushima
observatories off the coast of Japan, in March last year.
On Andre's site, the sound has been sped up to make it
audible to the human ear. It's a growing deep rumble, and a chilling
experience for anyone who followed the news of the devastating tsunami
that struck the Japanese mainland.
National security
For decades, the sounds of the deep sea were considered highly sensitive military data.
During the Cold War, the US Navy set up a network of
underwater microphones in many parts of the world to track Soviet
submarines.
Now the US Navy says it's not too concerned about friendly
civilian scientists listening in, but it is nervous about the opening up
of real time ocean sound to the general public.
A spider crab investigates monitoring equipment on the Pacific floor
"It's a region where we have naval operations," says US Navy
oceanographer Robert Winokur, referring to the area off Vancouver
monitored by the scientists from Neptune Canada.
Beneath the surface
Allowing everyone to listen to
that part of the ocean poses a threat to US national security, he says,
because someone - he won't say who - might use that information to work
out the type and location of US naval vessels.
To reduce that threat, the US and Canadian navies have struck
a deal with the scientists that effectively allows them to censor the
sound of naval operations.
"Rather than it being sent to the internet in real time, we
divert it to a naval facility where the data are screened, and then
returned as soon as possible to the University of Victoria," says
Winokur.
In other words, the sound is scrubbed to remove the noise of naval vessels.
Widening the net
The US Navy says it hopes to work out similar arrangements with other ocean monitoring projects elsewhere in the world.
But Cornell University ocean acoustics expert Christopher Clark doubts it will succeed.
"The strategy they're using with Neptune (the Vancouver project) is a dead end," he says.
Clark insists the US Navy doesn't own the ocean acoustic
environment and should accept that what was once military technology is
now in the hands of civilians.
A rattail fish swims past monitoring equipment in the Pacific
"The cat's out of the bag, the horses are out of the barn,
whatever the metaphor is, it's happening," he says.
The number of observatories on Michel Andre's website is
growing. The site currently links to listening networks only in the
northern hemisphere.
Soon 11 more will be added, connecting to microphones in the South Pacific, South Atlantic and the southern Indian Ocean.
That will open up an even larger swathe of the ocean deep to our ears.
Listen to more on this story at PRI's The World, a co-production of the BBC World Service, Public Radio International, and WGBH in Boston.
Picture credits: SPL, Reuters, Neptune Canada
_________________________________________________________
That's the second of 4,
BBC News, "Features and Analysis".
Here's the third:
'Unrestricted warfare'
How Chinese military advances challenge the US
18 January 2012
Last updated at 00:30 GMT
40
How China is advancing its military reach
In recent months China's airforce and navy have rolled out new hardware
Related Stories
As
the US shifts its focus to Asia, Alexander Neill, head of the Asia
Security Programme at the Royal United Services Institute, sets out the
Chinese military advances challenging the regional balance.
At the Pentagon recently, US President Barack Obama announced
deep cuts to the US military and set out a shift in attention towards
the Asia-Pacific region, in a thinly-veiled message to China.
Despite a narrative of peaceful intent, China's leaders have
struggled to reassure the US over the direction of the People's
Liberation Army (PLA). Both countries admit that their military
dialogue falls well behind other aspects of the relationship.
So the shift has brought renewed scrutiny of the PLA's latest capabilities against US dominance in the Pacific.
In recent years the PLA has demonstrated impressive new
capabilities at sea and in space, aimed at showcasing the success of its
modernisation effort.
The obvious message is to deliver a powerful warning if Taiwan were to declare formal independence.
But Pentagon planners are now concerned that the Taiwan
contingency has been eclipsed by China's broader maritime territorial
claims and demands for more international space to protect the arteries
feeding China's growth.
'Unrestricted warfare'
China is developing a range of capabilities linked to the
space and cyber domain in order to sidestep the overwhelming might of
the US military in the Pacific region. The PLA calls this fighting
"local wars under informationised conditions".
China took the first step towards a space station when it launched the Tiangong 1 module
China recognised almost two decades ago that in the mid-term
the PLA could be no match for US conventional forces. So it began
working on what was dubbed "unrestricted warfare" - combining multiple
methods to defeat a superior opponent.
At the same time party leaders launched adventurous civilian
acquisition projects in the high-tech domain to increase Chinese
competitiveness and to boost indigenous production capabilities.
The PLA has been running military projects mirroring these
civilian acquisition ventures. Sometimes involving dual-use
technologies, the military and civilian strands have often been
indistinguishable.
China's space programme is a case in point. The recent
successful docking manoeuvre between a Shenzhou module and the Tiangong
Space station is as much a triumph for the PLA as it is for China's
civilian space agency.
Space theatre
Should the US ever intervene in a cross-strait clash or
challenge China's maritime claims, Beijing would employ a pre-emptive
"sea denial" strategy alongside its conventional operations - preventing
US battle carrier groups operating in or near its claimed territorial
waters.
Its submarine-launched ballistic and cruise missiles are now a
lethal force. China's long-range nuclear weapons systems have also
undergone significant upgrades and its strategic rocket force, the
Second Artillery Corps, is very much the pride of the PLA.
One of the most pressing concerns for the US navy is the
threat posed by a "carrier killer" anti-ship missile with enhanced
targeting capabilities facilitated from space. China very recently
launched its own Beidou Positioning System, challenging the monopoly of
the US Global Positioning System (GPS).
One of the PLA's most sensitive advances has been the secret
deployment and testing of advanced anti-satellite (ASAT) and Anti
Ballistic Missile (ABM) weapons systems.
Two years ago, China successfully intercepted one of its own
ballistic missiles as it streaked through space. This test coincided
with the Pentagon's sale of Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Patriot
systems to Taiwan.
Some experts believe a Chinese ASAT campaign against a
careful selected group of US satellites could have catastrophic effect
on the US military.
This capability, combined with the potential for China to
develop its own Ballistic Missile Defence umbrella, suggests that the
space domain will be a new theatre for US-China rivalry.
Chinese ASAT capabilities are not exclusively reserved for
"kill vehicles", like the one which obliterated an ageing Chinese
weather satellite in 2007.
It is now believed that the successful 2007 "kill" was in
fact the third test in a series. Previous tests had demonstrated an
ability to manoeuvre in proximity to targeted satellites.
This would suggest that China has experimented with
techniques which could be used for "space mining", where mines or
mini-satellites armed with jamming technologies could be placed within
the orbits of an opponent's spacecraft.
Carrier group
In addition to its "sea denial" and space warfare strategies, China is also expanding its conventional capabilities.
The PLA Air Force in recent years has extended its ability
for offshore operations, enhancing an offensive capability. It is
planning an overhaul of its ageing fleet with the deployment of over
3,000 new aircraft.
China first aircraft carrier began sea trials in 2011
For the most part China has relied on copying Russian fighter
technology. However, the roll-out of the Chengdu J-20 Stealth fighter
prototype raised eyebrows last year, carefully timed to coincide with a
visit by the US defence secretary.
There have been some very significant developments in the
deployment of Chinese submarines in recent years. Beijing possesses 10
Russian-built ultra-quiet Kilo class submarines possibly armed with
200km-range anti-ship cruise missiles.
Since 2006, when a Chinese submarine surfaced undetected
within torpedo range of the US aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk, China's
submarine force has regularly marauded the US Navy and its allies in the
Pacific.
It is thought that China plans to build three aircraft
carrier battle groups, each armed with 40 fighters, up to eight
warships, three nuclear-powered attack submarines and a number of
support vessels. The PLA Navy's retrofitted Varyag carrier, currently
under sea-trials, will serve as a training platform.
Even if the aircraft carrier would likely be a prestige piece
and more directed at Chinese domestic pride, the prospect of a Chinese
aircraft carrier will certainly cause ripples for the broader East Asian
naval balance.
Uncertain factors
While much attention has been paid to the breakneck speed of
Chinese military modernisation over the last decade, the events of 9/11
and the subsequent campaigns in the Middle East and Afghanistan provided
a window of opportunity for China to accelerate development.
In some cases there may have been, quite literally, windfalls
for the PLA. There is speculation that China acquired undamaged
Tomohawk cruise missile components in the early stages of the
Afghanistan campaign a decade ago.
When US Special Forces failed to completely destroy one of
their stealth helicopters during Operation Geronimo, Pakistan's military
may have allowed PLA counterparts to inspect the tail rotor.
The PLA must be congratulating itself on the impressive array
of weaponry which has tilted the balance in the Taiwan Strait in its
favour.
China's new-found capabilities combined with the opaque
nature of its military modernisation create a formula for mistrust with
the US.
There are perhaps three factors for uncertainty. Firstly, the
Chinese military's confidence in its new equipment could lead to an
overestimation of its capability as an emerging great power.
Secondly, the Chinese leadership could underestimate its
ability to control an unexpected escalation of hostilities in the
Pacific.
Finally, the domestic political factor - the PLA's external
behaviour could become a reaction to internal nationalistic sentiment,
instability or faction fighting as Beijing prepares for the fifth
generation leadership handover this year.
__________________________________________________________________
As "tintin" loves to go on about
countries being shaped like other countries and things:
note;
Australia's Happy Face,
in the Australian Government Antarctic Site Image;
(and the large area of Antarctic territory owns
);
the image used by the BBC,
Frozen wastes: Lake Ellsworth,
where the drilling is being carried out,
is in the West of Antarctica.
and the BBC image of,
China's range of anti-ship ballistic missiles.
God exists, and keeps all His promises.
Easy to see and understand when one reads what He described,
of, and from, The Beginning.
Bless God. Bless His House. Bless all who serve Him.
Why the US Navy doesn't want us listening to the ocean deep
16 January 2012
Last updated at 17:21 GMT
1.3K
Sounds of the sea:
Listening online to the ocean floor
Satellite photos used to be for military eyes
only, but Google Earth changed all that. Now something similar is
happening to the ocean depths, with any web user able to listen in and
"surf the sea floor" - and the US Navy is not happy.
By Rhitu Chatterjee and Rob Hugh-Jones
PRI's The World
"The cable is going underneath here," says Benoit
Pirenne, standing at the water's edge on Canada's Vancouver Island.
"It's going out 500 miles (800km) in a big loop in the ocean, coming
back in the same place."
The Vancouver cable connects a network of scientific
instruments on the floor of the north Pacific, some as deep as 1.5 miles
(2.5km).
Set up by Pirenne and his colleagues at the University of
Victoria, and called Neptune Canada, they continuously monitor the
marine environment.
Ocean floor listening posts in the north Pacific off Vancouver Island
The scientists are harvesting large amounts of information,
including water pressure readings that help them better understand the
movement of tsunamis through oceans, which they hope will lead to more
accurate warning systems.
But they are also listening.
Pressure-sensitive microphones pick up the live sounds of
everything from whales and shipping to seismic activity and the movement
of tectonic plates, and this audio is shared with scientists all over
the world.
It's also now available to anyone else with an internet connection.
Ocean 'ears'
"This is like big ears placed on the bottom of the ocean,"
says Michel Andre, a bioacoustics expert at the Technical University of
Catalonia in Barcelona, as he listens to the audio being streamed live
from Vancouver.
Many locations marked on listentothedeep.com stream audio in real time
Andre's passion is the study of noise in the ocean, both
natural and man-made, and how it affects marine life including whales
and dolphins.
"Sound travels five times faster through water than through
air, and in the ocean it can travel for thousands of miles," he says.
To help the non-scientific community appreciate just how noisy the oceans have become, he's launched a website called listentothedeep.com which streams the live sounds from Vancouver, and 14 other ocean floor "observatories" around the world.
"Here you can hear the noise coming from a ship," says Andre as he clicks on a green dot in the Mediterranean.
The ship is on the surface of the sea, but its monotonous
engine sound eerily dominates the soundscape more than a mile below.
Software developed by Andre's team can identify a range of different sounds.
A graphic representation of the sound of the Japanese earthquake, 11 March 2011
"These coloured bars here represent the sound of sperm whales," he says.
"And if you click here, in the sound library, this is the noise of the Japanese earthquake."
An audio graph of bright orange shows the pattern of the
earthquake sound, which came from the Kushiro and Hatsushima
observatories off the coast of Japan, in March last year.
On Andre's site, the sound has been sped up to make it
audible to the human ear. It's a growing deep rumble, and a chilling
experience for anyone who followed the news of the devastating tsunami
that struck the Japanese mainland.
National security
For decades, the sounds of the deep sea were considered highly sensitive military data.
During the Cold War, the US Navy set up a network of
underwater microphones in many parts of the world to track Soviet
submarines.
Now the US Navy says it's not too concerned about friendly
civilian scientists listening in, but it is nervous about the opening up
of real time ocean sound to the general public.
A spider crab investigates monitoring equipment on the Pacific floor
"It's a region where we have naval operations," says US Navy
oceanographer Robert Winokur, referring to the area off Vancouver
monitored by the scientists from Neptune Canada.
Beneath the surface
- Leonardo Da Vinci noted in 1490 that sounds carry long distances under water - whale songs can travel thousands of miles
- Sound travels about five times faster in water than in air, and is generally faster at greater depths
- Marine mammals depend on sound for communication because sight
and smell are less effective under water - scientists fear that shipping
noise harms whales, porpoises and dolphins - Fish also hear sounds within a limited frequency range, and produce sound with their swim bladders and teeth
Allowing everyone to listen to
that part of the ocean poses a threat to US national security, he says,
because someone - he won't say who - might use that information to work
out the type and location of US naval vessels.
To reduce that threat, the US and Canadian navies have struck
a deal with the scientists that effectively allows them to censor the
sound of naval operations.
"Rather than it being sent to the internet in real time, we
divert it to a naval facility where the data are screened, and then
returned as soon as possible to the University of Victoria," says
Winokur.
In other words, the sound is scrubbed to remove the noise of naval vessels.
Widening the net
The US Navy says it hopes to work out similar arrangements with other ocean monitoring projects elsewhere in the world.
But Cornell University ocean acoustics expert Christopher Clark doubts it will succeed.
"The strategy they're using with Neptune (the Vancouver project) is a dead end," he says.
Clark insists the US Navy doesn't own the ocean acoustic
environment and should accept that what was once military technology is
now in the hands of civilians.
A rattail fish swims past monitoring equipment in the Pacific
"The cat's out of the bag, the horses are out of the barn,
whatever the metaphor is, it's happening," he says.
The number of observatories on Michel Andre's website is
growing. The site currently links to listening networks only in the
northern hemisphere.
Soon 11 more will be added, connecting to microphones in the South Pacific, South Atlantic and the southern Indian Ocean.
That will open up an even larger swathe of the ocean deep to our ears.
Listen to more on this story at PRI's The World, a co-production of the BBC World Service, Public Radio International, and WGBH in Boston.
Picture credits: SPL, Reuters, Neptune Canada
_________________________________________________________
That's the second of 4,
BBC News, "Features and Analysis".
Here's the third:
'Unrestricted warfare'
How Chinese military advances challenge the US
18 January 2012
Last updated at 00:30 GMT
40
How China is advancing its military reach
In recent months China's airforce and navy have rolled out new hardware
Related Stories
- Obama unveils smaller US military
- China paper sets out space plan
- Military balance: US and the rest
As
the US shifts its focus to Asia, Alexander Neill, head of the Asia
Security Programme at the Royal United Services Institute, sets out the
Chinese military advances challenging the regional balance.
At the Pentagon recently, US President Barack Obama announced
deep cuts to the US military and set out a shift in attention towards
the Asia-Pacific region, in a thinly-veiled message to China.
Despite a narrative of peaceful intent, China's leaders have
struggled to reassure the US over the direction of the People's
Liberation Army (PLA). Both countries admit that their military
dialogue falls well behind other aspects of the relationship.
So the shift has brought renewed scrutiny of the PLA's latest capabilities against US dominance in the Pacific.
In recent years the PLA has demonstrated impressive new
capabilities at sea and in space, aimed at showcasing the success of its
modernisation effort.
The obvious message is to deliver a powerful warning if Taiwan were to declare formal independence.
But Pentagon planners are now concerned that the Taiwan
contingency has been eclipsed by China's broader maritime territorial
claims and demands for more international space to protect the arteries
feeding China's growth.
'Unrestricted warfare'
China is developing a range of capabilities linked to the
space and cyber domain in order to sidestep the overwhelming might of
the US military in the Pacific region. The PLA calls this fighting
"local wars under informationised conditions".
China took the first step towards a space station when it launched the Tiangong 1 module
China recognised almost two decades ago that in the mid-term
the PLA could be no match for US conventional forces. So it began
working on what was dubbed "unrestricted warfare" - combining multiple
methods to defeat a superior opponent.
At the same time party leaders launched adventurous civilian
acquisition projects in the high-tech domain to increase Chinese
competitiveness and to boost indigenous production capabilities.
The PLA has been running military projects mirroring these
civilian acquisition ventures. Sometimes involving dual-use
technologies, the military and civilian strands have often been
indistinguishable.
China's space programme is a case in point. The recent
successful docking manoeuvre between a Shenzhou module and the Tiangong
Space station is as much a triumph for the PLA as it is for China's
civilian space agency.
Space theatre
Should the US ever intervene in a cross-strait clash or
challenge China's maritime claims, Beijing would employ a pre-emptive
"sea denial" strategy alongside its conventional operations - preventing
US battle carrier groups operating in or near its claimed territorial
waters.
Its submarine-launched ballistic and cruise missiles are now a
lethal force. China's long-range nuclear weapons systems have also
undergone significant upgrades and its strategic rocket force, the
Second Artillery Corps, is very much the pride of the PLA.
One of the most pressing concerns for the US navy is the
threat posed by a "carrier killer" anti-ship missile with enhanced
targeting capabilities facilitated from space. China very recently
launched its own Beidou Positioning System, challenging the monopoly of
the US Global Positioning System (GPS).
One of the PLA's most sensitive advances has been the secret
deployment and testing of advanced anti-satellite (ASAT) and Anti
Ballistic Missile (ABM) weapons systems.
Two years ago, China successfully intercepted one of its own
ballistic missiles as it streaked through space. This test coincided
with the Pentagon's sale of Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Patriot
systems to Taiwan.
Some experts believe a Chinese ASAT campaign against a
careful selected group of US satellites could have catastrophic effect
on the US military.
This capability, combined with the potential for China to
develop its own Ballistic Missile Defence umbrella, suggests that the
space domain will be a new theatre for US-China rivalry.
Chinese ASAT capabilities are not exclusively reserved for
"kill vehicles", like the one which obliterated an ageing Chinese
weather satellite in 2007.
It is now believed that the successful 2007 "kill" was in
fact the third test in a series. Previous tests had demonstrated an
ability to manoeuvre in proximity to targeted satellites.
This would suggest that China has experimented with
techniques which could be used for "space mining", where mines or
mini-satellites armed with jamming technologies could be placed within
the orbits of an opponent's spacecraft.
Carrier group
In addition to its "sea denial" and space warfare strategies, China is also expanding its conventional capabilities.
The PLA Air Force in recent years has extended its ability
for offshore operations, enhancing an offensive capability. It is
planning an overhaul of its ageing fleet with the deployment of over
3,000 new aircraft.
China first aircraft carrier began sea trials in 2011
For the most part China has relied on copying Russian fighter
technology. However, the roll-out of the Chengdu J-20 Stealth fighter
prototype raised eyebrows last year, carefully timed to coincide with a
visit by the US defence secretary.
There have been some very significant developments in the
deployment of Chinese submarines in recent years. Beijing possesses 10
Russian-built ultra-quiet Kilo class submarines possibly armed with
200km-range anti-ship cruise missiles.
Since 2006, when a Chinese submarine surfaced undetected
within torpedo range of the US aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk, China's
submarine force has regularly marauded the US Navy and its allies in the
Pacific.
It is thought that China plans to build three aircraft
carrier battle groups, each armed with 40 fighters, up to eight
warships, three nuclear-powered attack submarines and a number of
support vessels. The PLA Navy's retrofitted Varyag carrier, currently
under sea-trials, will serve as a training platform.
Even if the aircraft carrier would likely be a prestige piece
and more directed at Chinese domestic pride, the prospect of a Chinese
aircraft carrier will certainly cause ripples for the broader East Asian
naval balance.
Uncertain factors
While much attention has been paid to the breakneck speed of
Chinese military modernisation over the last decade, the events of 9/11
and the subsequent campaigns in the Middle East and Afghanistan provided
a window of opportunity for China to accelerate development.
In some cases there may have been, quite literally, windfalls
for the PLA. There is speculation that China acquired undamaged
Tomohawk cruise missile components in the early stages of the
Afghanistan campaign a decade ago.
When US Special Forces failed to completely destroy one of
their stealth helicopters during Operation Geronimo, Pakistan's military
may have allowed PLA counterparts to inspect the tail rotor.
The PLA must be congratulating itself on the impressive array
of weaponry which has tilted the balance in the Taiwan Strait in its
favour.
China's new-found capabilities combined with the opaque
nature of its military modernisation create a formula for mistrust with
the US.
There are perhaps three factors for uncertainty. Firstly, the
Chinese military's confidence in its new equipment could lead to an
overestimation of its capability as an emerging great power.
Secondly, the Chinese leadership could underestimate its
ability to control an unexpected escalation of hostilities in the
Pacific.
Finally, the domestic political factor - the PLA's external
behaviour could become a reaction to internal nationalistic sentiment,
instability or faction fighting as Beijing prepares for the fifth
generation leadership handover this year.
__________________________________________________________________
As "tintin" loves to go on about
countries being shaped like other countries and things:
note;
Australia's Happy Face,
in the Australian Government Antarctic Site Image;
(and the large area of Antarctic territory owns
);the image used by the BBC,
Frozen wastes: Lake Ellsworth,
where the drilling is being carried out,
is in the West of Antarctica.
and the BBC image of,
China's range of anti-ship ballistic missiles.
God exists, and keeps all His promises.
Easy to see and understand when one reads what He described,
of, and from, The Beginning.
Bless God. Bless His House. Bless all who serve Him.
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Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 62
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: 'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation
Ciggy Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:52 am
Loonie Lilly, China's missiles have fuckall to do with your vapid claim that OzTrailer is Israel.
You are fooking retarded.
You are fooking retarded.
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Re: 'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation
MoMo Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:00 pm
whut you said.....she is channeling icke..
24 hrs Ho.
24 hrs Ho.
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Re: 'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation
MoMo Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:01 pm
el kabong wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:How uncreative of you...
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Re: 'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation
true lilly Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:26 pm
Funny, "I" did NOT post in this thread.
Yet it 'appears' "I" have, at the same time that 'Ciggy' IS DEFENDING ICKE 'as'
"NOT ANTISEMITIC", while knowing DAMN well, he IS.
As IS, 'TINTIN'...who suddenly, 'seems' to have got 'his' 'voice' back,
AFTER I asked if he's still alive, because 'he' LOST 'his' 'voice' after 'he'
"WENT AWAY FOR A WHILE".
And, not only is 'TINTIN' ANTISEMITIC, but ANTI-ISRAEL and ANTI-ZION.
But THE THING, is, that not only did 'TINTIN' PERSONALLY BLAME 'the jews'
for "swindling HIM" (odd in itself considering the 5 Star, Jet Setting Lifestyle,
that he so loves to boast of, along with never having worked in his near 60 yrs,
because he and his family live off their ILLEGAL STASH of GOLD in Swiss Banks),
but he has also, PUBLICLY and OFTEN PROCLAIMED Australia TO BE ZION,
THE ACTUAL, LAND PROMISED TO ISRAEL=AUSTRALIANS ARE 'his/their' TARGET.
So of course, 'Ciggy' must spew complete and utter BS about all the historic,
current and future facts of this uniquely glorious land, it's VAST Island, Ocean
and Antarctic Territories and it's FAITHFUL people (a great many still scattered
all over the world keeping tabs on THE ENEMY), because, like all my attackers,
'Ciggy' has NO counterargument to the facts, that Prove All God's Warnings and
Promises.
See, THE ENEMY are ENEMIES of THE CREATOR of LIFE, and 'they' want the world
killing themselves, in an INSANELY futile effort to try to kill God, but still expecting
to take and keep GOD'S BLESSINGS for 'themselves'.
Oh something else to consider...I'll keep it sort and simple:
England Ruled Hong Kong for 99 years.
Handed it back to China.
The rest of world starts to go into financial meltdown,
while Australia (thanks, in great part, to it's partnership
with China), booms.
Ezekiel 37:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=37&t=KJV#16
(DO, read EVERY Word's Descriptive Meaning, at the link)
15
And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying:
16
“And as for you, O son of man, take for yourself a
stick and write upon it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel his
partners.’ And take another stick and write upon it, ‘For Joseph, the
stick of E´phra·im, and all the house of Israel his partners.’
17
And cause them to approach each other into one stick for yourself,
and they will actually become just one in your hand.
18
And when the sons of your people begin to say to you,
‘Will you not tell us what these things mean to you?’
19
speak to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said:
“Here I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of E´phra·im,
and the tribes of Israel his partners, and I will put them upon it, that is,
the stick of Judah, and I shall actually make them one stick,
and they must become one in my hand.”’
20
And the sticks upon which you write
must prove to be in your hand before their eyes.
21
“And speak to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said:
“Here I am taking the sons of Israel from among the nations to which they have gone,
and I will collect them together from round about and bring them onto their soil.
22
And I shall actually make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel,
and one king is what all of them will come to have as king,
and they will no longer continue to be two nations, nor will they be divided any longer
into two kingdoms.
23
And they will no longer defile themselves with their dungy idols and with
their disgusting things and with all their transgressions;
and I shall certainly save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned,
and I will cleanse them, and they must become my people,
and I myself shall become their God.
24
“‘“And my servant David will be king over them,
and one shepherd is what they will all come to have;
and in my judicial decisions they will walk, and my statutes they will keep,
and they will certainly carry them out.
25
And they will actually dwell upon the land that I gave to my servant, to Jacob,
in which YOUR forefathers dwelt, and they will actually dwell upon it, they and
their sons and their sons’ sons to time indefinite, and David my servant will
be their chieftain to time indefinite.
26
“‘“And I will conclude with them a covenant of peace;
an indefinitely lasting covenant is what there will come to be with them.
And I will place them and multiply them and place my sanctuary in the midst of them
to time indefinite.
27
And my tabernacle will actually prove to be over them,
and I shall certainly become their God, and they themselves will become my people.
28
And the nations will have to know that I, Jehovah, am sanctifying Israel
when my sanctuary comes to be in the midst of them to time indefinite.”’”
Yet it 'appears' "I" have, at the same time that 'Ciggy' IS DEFENDING ICKE 'as'
"NOT ANTISEMITIC", while knowing DAMN well, he IS.
As IS, 'TINTIN'...who suddenly, 'seems' to have got 'his' 'voice' back,
AFTER I asked if he's still alive, because 'he' LOST 'his' 'voice' after 'he'
"WENT AWAY FOR A WHILE".
And, not only is 'TINTIN' ANTISEMITIC, but ANTI-ISRAEL and ANTI-ZION.
But THE THING, is, that not only did 'TINTIN' PERSONALLY BLAME 'the jews'
for "swindling HIM" (odd in itself considering the 5 Star, Jet Setting Lifestyle,
that he so loves to boast of, along with never having worked in his near 60 yrs,
because he and his family live off their ILLEGAL STASH of GOLD in Swiss Banks),
but he has also, PUBLICLY and OFTEN PROCLAIMED Australia TO BE ZION,
THE ACTUAL, LAND PROMISED TO ISRAEL=AUSTRALIANS ARE 'his/their' TARGET.
So of course, 'Ciggy' must spew complete and utter BS about all the historic,
current and future facts of this uniquely glorious land, it's VAST Island, Ocean
and Antarctic Territories and it's FAITHFUL people (a great many still scattered
all over the world keeping tabs on THE ENEMY), because, like all my attackers,
'Ciggy' has NO counterargument to the facts, that Prove All God's Warnings and
Promises.
See, THE ENEMY are ENEMIES of THE CREATOR of LIFE, and 'they' want the world
killing themselves, in an INSANELY futile effort to try to kill God, but still expecting
to take and keep GOD'S BLESSINGS for 'themselves'.
Oh something else to consider...I'll keep it sort and simple:
England Ruled Hong Kong for 99 years.
Handed it back to China.
The rest of world starts to go into financial meltdown,
while Australia (thanks, in great part, to it's partnership
with China), booms.
Ezekiel 37:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=37&t=KJV#16
(DO, read EVERY Word's Descriptive Meaning, at the link)
15
And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying:
16
“And as for you, O son of man, take for yourself a
stick and write upon it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel his
partners.’ And take another stick and write upon it, ‘For Joseph, the
stick of E´phra·im, and all the house of Israel his partners.’
17
And cause them to approach each other into one stick for yourself,
and they will actually become just one in your hand.
18
And when the sons of your people begin to say to you,
‘Will you not tell us what these things mean to you?’
19
speak to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said:
“Here I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of E´phra·im,
and the tribes of Israel his partners, and I will put them upon it, that is,
the stick of Judah, and I shall actually make them one stick,
and they must become one in my hand.”’
20
And the sticks upon which you write
must prove to be in your hand before their eyes.
21
“And speak to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said:
“Here I am taking the sons of Israel from among the nations to which they have gone,
and I will collect them together from round about and bring them onto their soil.
22
And I shall actually make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel,
and one king is what all of them will come to have as king,
and they will no longer continue to be two nations, nor will they be divided any longer
into two kingdoms.
23
And they will no longer defile themselves with their dungy idols and with
their disgusting things and with all their transgressions;
and I shall certainly save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned,
and I will cleanse them, and they must become my people,
and I myself shall become their God.
24
“‘“And my servant David will be king over them,
and one shepherd is what they will all come to have;
and in my judicial decisions they will walk, and my statutes they will keep,
and they will certainly carry them out.
25
And they will actually dwell upon the land that I gave to my servant, to Jacob,
in which YOUR forefathers dwelt, and they will actually dwell upon it, they and
their sons and their sons’ sons to time indefinite, and David my servant will
be their chieftain to time indefinite.
26
“‘“And I will conclude with them a covenant of peace;
an indefinitely lasting covenant is what there will come to be with them.
And I will place them and multiply them and place my sanctuary in the midst of them
to time indefinite.
27
And my tabernacle will actually prove to be over them,
and I shall certainly become their God, and they themselves will become my people.
28
And the nations will have to know that I, Jehovah, am sanctifying Israel
when my sanctuary comes to be in the midst of them to time indefinite.”’”
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