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Post  true lilly Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:52 am

Again: WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT,
"FROM THE BEGINNING"?

Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia
WATER COVER GLOBE.
ONE LAND MASS RISES.
DOESN'T START TO DIVIDE UNTIL LONG AFTER NOAH.

REJECT THAT, AND YOU REJECT GOD'S WORD.
REJECT THAT, AND YOU REJECT SCIENCE.
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Post  Ciggy Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:07 am

true lilly wrote:Again: WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT,
"FROM THE BEGINNING"?

Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia
WATER COVER GLOBE.
ONE LAND MASS RISES.
DOESN'T START TO DIVIDE UNTIL LONG AFTER NOAH.

REJECT THAT, AND YOU REJECT GOD'S WORD.
REJECT THAT, AND YOU REJECT SCIENCE.

We've been over this. Pangea broke up hundreds of millions of years ago. "God's word" is just a pathetic nursery rhyme repeated to bedazzle and hoodwink idiots like El Kabong... and you. Noah's flood was the rising of the Black Sea. Atlantis was the Tiwanaku civilization in South America. The Phoenicians transported Atlantean culture to the Mediterranean along with cocaine and tobacco. There are Phoenician inscriptions in South America proving they were there. The whole of Judean religion was a Phoenician hoax--you and Kabong are the sheep that the managers of the human plantation laugh at for being stupid and gullible. And I share that laughter--I see the humour in it.
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Post  Billy Ruben Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:01 am

Ciggy wrote:
true lilly wrote:Again: WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT,
"FROM THE BEGINNING"?

Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia
WATER COVER GLOBE.
ONE LAND MASS RISES.
DOESN'T START TO DIVIDE UNTIL LONG AFTER NOAH.

REJECT THAT, AND YOU REJECT GOD'S WORD.
REJECT THAT, AND YOU REJECT SCIENCE.

We've been over this. Pangea broke up hundreds of millions of years ago. "God's word" is just a pathetic nursery rhyme repeated to bedazzle and hoodwink idiots like El Kabong... and you. Noah's flood was the rising of the Black Sea. Atlantis was the Tiwanaku civilization in South America. The Phoenicians transported Atlantean culture to the Mediterranean along with cocaine and tobacco. There are Phoenician inscriptions in South America proving they were there. The whole of Judean religion was a Phoenician hoax--you and Kabong are the sheep that the managers of the human plantation laugh at for being stupid and gullible. And I share that laughter--I see the humour in it.

Alot of the egyptian pharohs that were mummified contained cocaine and tobacco.Due to shared liguistics,there did seemed to be a shared,one world language at sometime,would've made international trade routes a simplicitity.Agree with all of that,but remnants of Atlantis peoples could be found on the Azores,the Basques of Spain and southern France seemed to shares Atlantis myths,folklore.

Good interesting topic this,I just don't subscribe to the gin soaked advocate of Ballarat,more Velikovsky in my "thing"...
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Post  Ciggy Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:58 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
Alot of the egyptian pharohs that were mummified contained cocaine and tobacco.Due to shared liguistics,there did seemed to be a shared,one world language at sometime,would've made international trade routes a simplicitity.Agree with all of that,but remnants of Atlantis peoples could be found on the Azores,the Basques of Spain and southern France seemed to shares Atlantis myths,folklore.

Good interesting topic this,I just don't subscribe to the gin soaked advocate of Ballarat,more Velikovsky in my "thing"...

There is a genetic mitochondrial haplogroup, group "X", which has carriers along the shores of the Mediterranean, Europe, West Africa, and the eastern shores of North and South America. The highest remaining concentrations of it are in the Caucasus Mountains and in Lebanon (where the Phoenicians had their home base). It's exceedingly likely that Atlanteans were Haplogroup X, and that refugees from the Atlantis disaster dispersed to the European and American shores of the Atlantic, although most of them formed a new base in Tyre and gave rise to the Phoenicians. I'd go so far as to call Phoenicians "post-Atlanteans". Some Greek historians used the terms "Atlantean" and "Tyrian" interchangeably, and maps showing Phoenician trading posts in the Mediterranean are alternatively labelled as such. (Tyrian = "from Tyre" ...the Phoenician city-state).

Another major Tyrian base was coastal Morocco.
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Post  Billy Ruben Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:35 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Alot of the egyptian pharohs that were mummified contained cocaine and tobacco.Due to shared liguistics,there did seemed to be a shared,one world language at sometime,would've made international trade routes a simplicitity.Agree with all of that,but remnants of Atlantis peoples could be found on the Azores,the Basques of Spain and southern France seemed to shares Atlantis myths,folklore.

Good interesting topic this,I just don't subscribe to the gin soaked advocate of Ballarat,more Velikovsky in my "thing"...

There is a genetic mitochondrial haplogroup, group "X", which has carriers along the shores of the Mediterranean, Europe, West Africa, and the eastern shores of North and South America. The highest remaining concentrations of it are in the Caucasus Mountains and in Lebanon (where the Phoenicians had their home base). It's exceedingly likely that Atlanteans were Haplogroup X, and that refugees from the Atlantis disaster dispersed to the European and American shores of the Atlantic, although most of them formed a new base in Tyre and gave rise to the Phoenicians. I'd go so far as to call Phoenicians "post-Atlanteans". Some Greek historians used the terms "Atlantean" and "Tyrian" interchangeably, and maps showing Phoenician trading posts in the Mediterranean are alternatively labelled as such. (Tyrian = "from Tyre" ...the Phoenician city-state).

Another major Tyrian base was coastal Morocco.

It's the time corridor,Ciggy.I had a great post before and Windows Update reset before the send button.

There's roads and walls and statues risen from the bottom of the ocean around Bimini,Tibetan and South American Towns and Villages,that once had docks and harbors for boating and fishing,now 9,000 feet in the air,a build up of calcite forms rings around these towns,made from barnacles.Hopi Indian legends,in this time,don't point to Venus being in the sky,until permanently positioned,around 6,000 years ago,the gravity waves it could have on our oceans from near passes until it found it's proper orbit,would be disasterous,clay deposits point to a global type flood,in this time period 9,000-12,000 years ago...Maybe Noah did hammer his young daughters,on a vogage of rum and sodomy...
But all data collects this is the time for the break up,of this what we are taught,legendary,mythical,is taught as fact by Freemasonic lodges,the Island of Atlantis.
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Post  Billy Ruben Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:41 pm

Aztlan...it was known and adopted by people of what we call Venezula/Colombia today
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Post  Ciggy Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:00 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
There's roads and walls and statues risen from the bottom of the ocean around Bimini,Tibetan and South American Towns and Villages,that once had docks and harbors for boating and fishing,now 9,000 feet in the air,a build up of calcite forms rings around these towns,made from barnacles.Hopi Indian legends,in this time,don't point to Venus being in the sky,until permanently positioned,around 6,000 years ago,the gravity waves it could have on our oceans from near passes until it found it's proper orbit,would be disasterous,clay deposits point to a global type flood,in this time period 9,000-12,000 years ago...Maybe Noah did hammer his young daughters,on a vogage of rum and sodomy...
But all data collects this is the time for the break up,of this what we are taught,legendary,mythical,is taught as fact by Freemasonic lodges,the Island of Atlantis.

We're actually looking at a minimum of two cataclysms in the time you describe. Possibly more.

9K BCE: End of the ice age, global ocean levels rise. Cities in the Mediterranean, off Bimini, off Gujarat, and off Yonaguni, and probably many others, are all submerged. In the Black Sea, the waters of the Mediterranean spill over into it, flooding that place out which was previously a small lake. This is "Noah's flood". The Black Sea People disperse in a sort of radiating set of directions away from the Black Sea, some east, some north, some south, some west. Generally just away from the disaster. The ones that went south were remembered in Sumerian legend alternatively as Utnapishtim or Ziusudra (ZEUS ring a bell?) When Jews plagiarized the Sumerians they renamed him to Noah (easier to pronounce with a long nose!)

1.5K BCE: The flooding of "Plato's Atlantis", concurrent with the eruption of Thera but Atlantis was not Thera. It was one of many global geological disruptions, and in Egypt corresponds with the "Ten Plagues of Moses". This sinking of the Atlantean capital had a similar effect on the Atlantean empire that a sinking of Rome would have had on the Roman one: there was a sharp devolution of Atlantis' power. Troy, a strong Atlantean ally, was defeated by the Greeks. The Sea Peoples, another Atlantean ally or confederation, were defeated by the Egyptians as led by Ramses III. This all took place in historic times, and Atlantis was an empire of the historical era, BUT, due to the cataclysms, civilizations were so severely disrupted that their memory of the "Golden Age" of Atlantis (picture the British Empire in the 19th century but there's no French, no Germans, and no Spanish to give 'em any competition) gets so faded and distorted that it's soon dismissed as myth everywhere except in Egypt. And then later Egyptian history in turn gets demolished by the Christards, except the one small fragment of a story about Atlantis told to Solon, which only survived Christarded burning because many Catholics were fans of Plato.

I believe this was Atlantean:

(Not alien, just highly advanced humans)
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Post  Ciggy Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:12 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:Aztlan...it was known and adopted by people of what we call Venezula/Colombia today

Aztlan was an Aztec/Mexican name. The Mayan name was Tulan. Another Mexican name was Tlapallan.

The etymologies of these names cross over into the old world, with:

Turan (Central Asia)
Thrace
Troy
Tyrhennia
Tyre
Tolosa
Thule
Tartessos
Tartarus
Taurus
Tyrol
Tara
...etc.

Atlantis. Yes.

And "by some coincidence", the Phoenician capital was: TYRE.
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Post  Sod-Haus...!!! Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:13 pm

Thera...

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16th and 15th centuries BC,wall fresco from ancient Thera (Santorini) showing the city as it was prior to the volcanic eruption, with the city built on the middle island, surrounded by rings of earth and sea, with boats plying the waters.

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Original Reproduction, Late Bronze Age, Late Minoan Period, Late Cycladic Period, Painted sometime before ~1615 BC, Akrotiri, Thera (Santorini), Greece.
The focus of this closeup view of the Miniature Frieze "Flotilla" Fresco is the island of Thera on the left side of the composition. This is a contemporary view of the ringed island before the great Bronze Age eruption of the Santorini marine volcano.
It clearly shows an inner island ringed by water in the middle of the caldera with a large palace complex dominating the scene.


Minoan Civalisation...

Minoan culture, the dominant civilization in the Mediterranean at the time, crumbled as a result of the eruption, historians believe, changing the political landscape of the ancient world indefinitely.
Environmental effects were felt across the globe, as far away as China and perhaps even North America and Antarctica.

Historians and archaeologists have had trouble deciding on the year Thera erupted, with dates ranging anywhere from 1645 BC to 1500 BC.
Studies of ash deposits on the ocean floor have revealed, however, that when the volcano did blow, it did so with a force dwarfing anything humans had ever seen or have seen since.

That fiery explosion killed upwards of 40,000 people in just a few hours, produced colossal tsunamis 40 feet tall, spewed volcanic ash across Asia, and caused a drop in global temperatures and created strangely colored sunsets for three years.
The blast was heard 3,000 miles away.

To Me This Fits In With The Date Of The Biblical Exodus, Almost,

The date of the Biblical Exodus-Conquest is clear. 1 Kgs 6:1 and 1 Chr 6:33–37 converge on a date of 1446 BC for the exodus

Or Even To The Tsunami Of The Area, Which Could Account For Moses Descriptian Of The Flood...

Map Of Thera Pre-Explosion


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Plato's Discription Of Atlantis

And Poseidon, receiving for his lot the island of Atlantis, begat children by a mortal woman, and settled them in a part of the island which I will proceed to describe.

On the side toward the sea, and in the center of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains, and very fertile.
Near the plain again, and also in the center of the island, at a distance of about fifty stadia (one stadia=606 feet), there was a mountain, not very high on any side.

In this mountain there dwelt one of the earth-born primeval men of that country, whose name was Evenor, and he had a wife named Leucippe, and they had an only daughter, who was named Cleito.
The maiden was growing up to womanhood when her father and mother died.

Poseidon fell in love with her, and had intercourse with her; and, breaking the ground, enclosed the hill in which she dwelt all round, making alternate zones of sea and land, larger and smaller, encircling one another; there were two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe out of the center of the island, equidistant every way, so that no man could get to the island, for ships and voyages were not yet heard of.

And, beginning from the sea, they dug a canal three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth, and fifty stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone, making a passage from the sea up to this, which became a harbor, and leaving an opening sufficient to enable the largest vessels to find ingress.
Moreover, they divided the zones of land which parted the zones of sea, constructing bridges of such a width as would leave a passage for a single trireme to pass out of one into another, and roofed them over; and there was a way underneath for the ships, for the banks of the zones were raised considerably above the water.

Now the largest of the zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was three stadia in breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal breadth; but the next two, as well the zone of water as of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a stadium only in width.
The island in which the palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia.


Crossing the outer harbors, which were three in number, you would come to a wall which began at the sea and went all round: this was everywhere distant fifty stadia from the largest zone and harbor, and enclosed the whole, meeting at the mouth of the channel toward the sea.
The entire area was densely crowded with habitations; and the canal and the largest of the harbors were full of vessels and merchants coming from all parts, who, from their numbers, kept up a multitudinous sound of human voices and din of all sorts night and day.


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Bull-Leaping Fresco From Knossos 1400-1450 bc

There were bulls who had the range of the temple of Poseidon; and the ten who were left alone in the temple, after they had offered prayers to the gods that they might take the sacrifices which were acceptable to them, hunted the bulls without weapons, but with staves and nooses; and the bull which they caught they led up to the column; the victim was then struck on the head by them, and slain over the sacred inscription.

Now on the column, besides the law, there was inscribed an oath invoking mighty curses on the disobedient.
When, therefore, after offering sacrifice according to their customs, they had burnt the limbs of the bull, they mingled a cup and cast in a clot of blood for each of them; the rest of the victim they took to the fire, after having made a purification of the column all round.

But afterward there occurred violent earthquakes and floods, and in a single day and night of rain all your warlike men in a body sunk into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared, and was sunk beneath the sea.

http://ascendingpassage.com/plato-atlantis-timaeus.htm


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Map of Atlantis based on Plato's descriptions, published in the New York American
on October 20, 1912 from Imagining Atlantis


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Yes, I Know This Map Shows Atlantis In The Middle Of The Atlantic Ocean,
But It Does Resemble Santorini,

Plato Also Places Atlantis Beyond The Pillars Of Hercules,
But His Was Second Hand Information Anyway...

I Went Travelling Around The Cyclades Once,
It Took 2 Hours To Walk From The Harbour At Santorini,
To The Top...Where The Towns Are (But That Could Have Been The Ouzo)

Santorini Fits The Discription Of Atlantis...

It's Looks Like A Circular Mountain Range Sticking Out Of The Water,
And On Maps It Looks Small, But Being There It Is Collussal,



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Post  true lilly Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:18 am

https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1190p45-europe-is-larger-then-australia
tintin wrote:
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Nr 44 and ISRAEL......
And AUSTRALIA is the PROMISED LAND,
as described in the bible.


Last edited by tintin; 16-09-2009 at 09:58 PM.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&highlight=synchromysticism&page=1760
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&highlight=synchromysticism&page=1759
true lilly wrote:Get ready for more TORAH SPAM...
...poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"
...


CURSE JUDAH and BE CURSED.


Well,
GOD HAS, LONG BEEN RE-GATHERING,
JUDAH and ISRAEL
and THOSE JOINED TO THEM,
in The UNIQUELY GLORIOUS Land,
that HE DESCRIBED...

and YOU, KEEP CURSING BOTH,
RE-JOINED ISRAEL & JUDAH and
That Land From Which,
ALL THE NATIONS ARE HEALED!


Listen, BLIND FOOL...it ain't about 'size'...
I NEVER SAID it was about 'size'...
...that's your sick attachment...
your deliberate, deadly lie...

...oh, and what did happen to MY ORIGINAL Post,
that YOU SO INSANELY, HAD TO HACK into more of
YOUR, FILTHY LIES, that you call 'quotes'...

...too bad for YOU, GOD KNOWS...

(ah, found it elsewhere Smile )

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SEE!!!
The AREA of EUROPE "SHOWN",
ON This COMPARISON
.
Now, DO YOU want to do some HONEST WORK and
ADD UP ALL THOSE NATION STATES' POPULATIONS,
then ALSO COMPARE THAT!
...?


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...ah, but it's THIS
that's really GOT YOUR GOAT...

Comparison of the size of
Israel vs. Australia


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Note: Israel is shown in blue.

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Now, WHERE would a THINKING Person
see GOD RE-GATHERING
HIS 5 to 10% REMAINING
of The World's Population?

In that recently invented, shit strip of desert, 'israel', or...


The Australian maps over the world
can help you visualize how
vast this country is.

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These overlaid Australian maps show the relative size of Australia
over the world to help in comparing it to the major other ares in the
world.
For easy comparison Australia’s land area is 7,706,168 sq
km. Europe on the other hand has a square km area of 3,483,066.
Australia is just about twice as large as all of Europe and is two
thirds as large as the continental United States.
It is
remarkable that Tourists arrive here thinking I will rent a car and
drive all over it in two weeks. For those of you who like the beach
there is about 12,000 km of beach. Plenty of room for you, your beach
chair and umbrella.

Aboriginal Art is available in all major cities but it is produced
mostly in the Northern Territory, Central Desert and Arnhem land areas
of Australia. Contact us through our contact page for more detailed maps
of those areas.
Maps Australia over the world, courtesy of www.bartelpc.com.au
Australian Maps
Aboriginal History
Home Page
Oh but remember, GOD ALSO PROMISED
to PRESERVE a RICH,
STABLE LAND...and SEE,
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so many more Nations than in Europe, that populated it,
even long after it was utterly devastated,
after JOSHUAH died and ISRAEL FORGOT GOD...

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YES, THE RICHLY BLESSED, STABLE Land,
UNlike ...


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...and EVERYWHERE ELSE...

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It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...

...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED...
Rolling Eyes

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THERE IS NO LAND at
THE NORTH POLE

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Quite the contrary
the South Pole
is located in a continent.


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LEBANON=WHITE=ANTARCTICA

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National Library of Australia Home > News & Events
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A reproduction of a 1566 world map by Nicolas Desliens.
With south orientated at the top,
the top left corner has a large land mass
that is claimed to be Australia,
charted from Chinese voyages.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.map-rm1898

LISTEN TO THE WORDS LONG WRITTEN DOWN...
...THE MAN, COMES AROUND...

https://youtu.be/iSPlJusBJ-E

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Colour coding relates to topographic height,
with dark green at lower elevations,
rising through yellow and tan,
to white at the highest points.

It looks familiar, but it is no ordinary map.

It is part of the most detailed topographic map of the world
ever made,
according the US space agency NASA .

For 11 days in February 2000
the space shuttle Endeavour circled the world,
using a sophisticated radar to chart all the land
between 60 degrees north and 56 degrees south,
and 80 per cent of the Earth's land was mapped
with a resolution of 90 metres.

NASA noted that Australia
was
the flattest continent in the world.

"Its low average elevation (300 metres) is caused by
its position
near the centre of a tectonic plate,
where there are no volcanic
or other geologic forces
of the type
that raise the topography of other continents.

"Prominent features of Australia
include the Lake Eyre Basin,

the darker green region visible in the centre-right.
At 16 metres below sea level, this depression is
one of the largest inland drainage systems
in the world,
covering more than 1.3 million
square kilometres.


...and what happens when we STOP DRAINING...
...RE-BUILD what WAS...
ANCIENTLY, UTTERLY DEVASTATED...
...
RE-BUILD the CANALS and CISTERNS...
...
and RE-PLANT
...and... Very Happy Wink

COOK's ENDEAVOUR,
NASA's ENDEAVOUR
=
LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION
...
...TIME & SPACE, TIME & PLACE...

...GOD'S TIME, TIMES & SIGNS...
...CRYSTAL CLEAR...DRINK IT IN,
THE WATER IS FREE...


DO bother, to drink in,
every full meaning, of every word,
and NOT only of this chapter...

Revelation 22:1-21

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=22&v=1&t=KJV#top

1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was
there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded
her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing
of the nations.


3
And there shall be no more curse:
but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it;
and his servants shall serve him:


4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light
of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever
and ever.


6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true:
and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew
unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.


7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings
of the prophecy of this book.


8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard
and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which
shewed me these things.


9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not:
for I am thy fellowservant,
and of thy brethren the prophets,
and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


10And he saith unto me,
Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:
for the time is at hand.


11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.


13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.


14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.


17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


19And if any man shall take away from the words of
the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part
out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from
the things which are written in this book.


20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.


21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
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...oh and btw,
THE SAFEGUARD GOD WROTE INTO HIS WORD,
was NOT comparing mans lying words against mans lying words,
but to TEST:
HOLY SCRIPTURE against HOLY SCRIPTURE,
and,
WHAT WAS REAL (FROM THE BEGINNING)
and IS REAL, in ALL The World and ALL The Earth,
That GOD CREATED. Because GOD CAN'T LIE,
let alone contradict HIMSELF, and as soon as you decide...

to DENY GOD'S WORD that DESCRIBED
WHAT GOOD SCIENCE keeps DISCOVERING, such as:

the water covered globe;
that one land mass was raised out of it;
LIFE EXISTED in and on the world, without death,
UNTIL Oxygen formed=The Prince of The Air/DEATH entered;
that NOAH'S TIME of RE-populating ALL The Earth with
people and The ORIGINAL KINDS of animals, WAS LONG,
BEFORE The ONE LAND MASS Started to Divide...

YOU DECIDE to FAIL THE TEST.
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Post  Ciggy Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:52 am

Lilly, you don't seriously think Antarctica is Lebanon...?
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Post  Billy Ruben Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:10 am

Ciggy wrote:Lilly, you don't seriously think Antarctica is Lebanon...?

rolf
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Post  Billy Ruben Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:27 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
There's roads and walls and statues risen from the bottom of the ocean around Bimini,Tibetan and South American Towns and Villages,that once had docks and harbors for boating and fishing,now 9,000 feet in the air,a build up of calcite forms rings around these towns,made from barnacles.Hopi Indian legends,in this time,don't point to Venus being in the sky,until permanently positioned,around 6,000 years ago,the gravity waves it could have on our oceans from near passes until it found it's proper orbit,would be disasterous,clay deposits point to a global type flood,in this time period 9,000-12,000 years ago...Maybe Noah did hammer his young daughters,on a vogage of rum and sodomy...
But all data collects this is the time for the break up,of this what we are taught,legendary,mythical,is taught as fact by Freemasonic lodges,the Island of Atlantis.

We're actually looking at a minimum of two cataclysms in the time you describe. Possibly more.

9K BCE: End of the ice age, global ocean levels rise. Cities in the Mediterranean, off Bimini, off Gujarat, and off Yonaguni, and probably many others, are all submerged. In the Black Sea, the waters of the Mediterranean spill over into it, flooding that place out which was previously a small lake. This is "Noah's flood". The Black Sea People disperse in a sort of radiating set of directions away from the Black Sea, some east, some north, some south, some west. Generally just away from the disaster. The ones that went south were remembered in Sumerian legend alternatively as Utnapishtim or Ziusudra (ZEUS ring a bell?) When Jews plagiarized the Sumerians they renamed him to Noah (easier to pronounce with a long nose!)

1.5K BCE: The flooding of "Plato's Atlantis", concurrent with the eruption of Thera but Atlantis was not Thera. It was one of many global geological disruptions, and in Egypt corresponds with the "Ten Plagues of Moses". This sinking of the Atlantean capital had a similar effect on the Atlantean empire that a sinking of Rome would have had on the Roman one: there was a sharp devolution of Atlantis' power. Troy, a strong Atlantean ally, was defeated by the Greeks. The Sea Peoples, another Atlantean ally or confederation, were defeated by the Egyptians as led by Ramses III. This all took place in historic times, and Atlantis was an empire of the historical era, BUT, due to the cataclysms, civilizations were so severely disrupted that their memory of the "Golden Age" of Atlantis (picture the British Empire in the 19th century but there's no French, no Germans, and no Spanish to give 'em any competition) gets so faded and distorted that it's soon dismissed as myth everywhere except in Egypt. And then later Egyptian history in turn gets demolished by the Christards, except the one small fragment of a story about Atlantis told to Solon, which only survived Christarded burning because many Catholics were fans of Plato.

I believe this was Atlantean:

(Not alien, just highly advanced humans)

Brilliant work,I've been looking for Atlantis,my version,using the whose online feature here,and I've come to the conclusion,that no-one will find a fabled sunken city,to prove it,the underwater terrane shows a shattered ridge,that could be two plates meeting,but if it existed,it would've folded on itself,covering all remnants,but I hear of Castro,diving underwater to a submerged pyramid,so I'm still open to the fact a high culture may have been around in a destroyed land/Island,some of the seafloor has risen 3,000 feet in the last 30 years,so this myth of it rising could yet surprise.Earth changes are quick and destructive,not slow and erosive like we are taught.After the Kobe Earthquake,the Harbor went from 60m to 600 metres deep in minutes.

Ciggy wrote: This is "Noah's flood". The Black Sea People disperse in a sort of radiating set of directions away from the Black Sea, some east, some north, some south, some west. Generally just away from the disaster. The ones that went south were remembered in Sumerian legend alternatively as Utnapishtim or Ziusudra (ZEUS ring a bell?) When Jews plagiarized the Sumerians they renamed him to Noah

Look,I'm over my christian symbolism years ago,from 17,proclaimed spirituality and fucked up ever since and suffered...but learnt.I just did'nt know the renaming and retitling of legends,disasters,myths,messiahs,until I read Zitchin,Icke,even you say it here.Now you got easy to follow guides like Zeitgest,What the Bleep Do We Know About The Rabbit Hole,pick and choose the best from each,put it together,it's cool.
To,me,just be nice,down to Earth,non material,easy...no race debates,no religeon,no politics,fuckit.
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Post  true lilly Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:24 am

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Jockey Craig Williams had a perfect ride on
Southern Speed to win the Caulfield Cup.


Hot favourite December Draw finished last.

Picture: Chris Scott

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Australia happy to help with euro crisis

From:AAP

October 15, 2011

5:58PM


TREASURER Wayne Swan has

indicated a preparedness to discuss
how Australia can assist
the ailing European economy.



Speaking in Paris ahead of the G20 Finance Ministers Meeting, Mr
Swan was bailed up by foreign media in his hotel lobby on Friday, the
same day he was due to meet with IMF managing director Christine
Lagarde.

"I think a number of finance ministers have indicated a
willingness to discuss, as part of the agenda here (in Paris), ways that
resources can be made available to the IMF to further assist European
countries respond to the issues," Mr Swan told reporters.

Remaining silent about his bilateral talks on Friday which included meetings with
Ms Lagarde, French Finance Minister Francois Baroin and Indian Finance
Minister Pranab Muhkerjee, Mr Swan said he had seen evidence of improvement in
Europe's economy.

Related Coverage

  • EU leaders meet on weekend Courier Mail, 6 days ago
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  • Europe's banks need capital: IMF The Australian, 22 Sep 2011
  • More IMF aid for Greece - or not? Courier Mail, 25 Jul 2011
  • Default expected in Greek deal The Australian, 22 Jul 2011
"The first priority here is for the Europeans to put their house in
order,"
he said with regard to the eurozone sovereign debt crisis.

"I was encouraged when we were in Washington a couple of weeks ago that
they had heard that message loud and clear from fellow G20 finance
ministers from outside the Euro area. Since that time I've also been
encouraged by the unity they've put into developing and enhancing
further measures to deal with the sovereign debt crisis and it's impact
on the European banking system."

The Deputy Prime Minister added that he was confident "a comprehensive response"
to the crisis would be announced by the European Council and eurozone summit on
October 23.

Reserve Bank Governor Glenn Stevens is also in Paris for Saturday's G20 meeting.
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...and Australia's Richest City, the Capital of VICTORIA...

Melbourne homes the nation's richest

by:John Masanauskas
From:Herald Sun

October 15, 2011
12:00AM


MELBOURNE households are the richest in Australia, says a new report.

Households in the state's capital had an average net worth of $866,000 last year,
ahead of Perth ($853,000), Canberra ($843,000) and well in front of Sydney ($766,745),
an ABS report released yesterday said.


The average wealth of all Australian households was $720,000,
up 14 per cent
compared with 2005-06 when adjusted for inflation.


Estimates were derived from the value of assets, including the home, minus liabilities
such as mortgages.


For households that owned their home outright,
the average value of the home was $541,000.


The
report revealed

the richest 20 per cent of
Australian households
had increased their worth by 15 per cent
over the past five years
to an average of $2.2 million in 2009-10.


The poorest 20 per cent had only a 4 per cent rise to an average $32,000 a household.
For households with superannuation, the average value was $154,000, but half of those homes had super assets under $60,000.
Superannuation was the main financial asset, with 75 per cent of all homes having some super assets.
One in five households has property other than their own home, including holiday homes and rental properties.
[email=masanauskasj@heraldsun.com.au%20%20%20]masanauskasj@heraldsun.com.au[/email]
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So, 'Ciggy/tintin/et al', should I provide 'your' contact details to all those
'you' CONNED into taking 'your' advice to 'invest' in everywhere and everything,
EXCEPT AUSTRALIA, for these last 5+ years.

And no 'tintin', damning Australia
for being the real promised land
, i.e.
The Home of Re-gathered Israel,
that 'you' mob so bitterly want to TAKE
for 'your' evil selves, doesn't count 'for' you,
it damns you.


Oh and readers, unlike 'tintin', I'm not 'connected', I'm not involved in investments,
or politics etc., I simply notice news that's freely available for all, and compare it to
what God's Word told us to watch for.

Mind you, that is God's Word, that described the whole world, all the earth
and all peoples, FROM IT'S ACTUAL BEGINNING, NOT that FALSE 'time line'
sold to the world via that 'out of Egypt' lie.
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Post  true lilly Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:26 am

Casey Stoner clinches
second MotoGP world title
with win at Phillip Island

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Australia's CaseyStoner
sealed the MotoGP world title today
with his fifth consecutive victory
at the Australian Grand Prix as he
celebrated his 26th birthday
in style.
Picture: Getty

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...well he sure is laughing,
and he does ride a motorcycle...

2011 Honda Casey Stoner Repsol Fireblade
words - Feann Torr

Honda has unveiled a special edition CBR1000RR Fireblade

to celebrate Casey Stoner's return to the Honda fold,
limited to just 170 units.
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The special edition CBR1000RR Casey Stoner Repsol Fireblade
will retail for $18,790 plus on road costs and like the MotoGP race bike
will bear Stoner's number 27 on the front,
which is rumoured to add an around 10km/h to the bike's top speed.

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2007 Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix

A flag bearing the number of new MotoGp World Champion Casey Stoner
is displayed during warm-ups for the 2007Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix
held at Phillip Island Circuit on October 14, 2007 Phillip Island, Australia.

(October 13, 2007 - Photo by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images Sport)

27 books in the second part of Bible
(New Testament).

27: The total number of letters in the Hebrew alphabet
(22 regular letters and 5 final consonants)


In the Kabbalah there are 27 letters,
corresponding to 27 channels of communication with God
and 27 combinations of the names of God and -
13
overt
and 14 covert.


true lilly wrote:The mystery of Dagg's dig
All Black Israel Dagg's explanation
of his unusual try-scoring celebration
mystifies teammates and media.

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Dog miaow and laughing bear:
Dagg's bizarre try celebration

September 27, 2011 - 3:45PM

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Israel Dagg's bizarre try-scoring celebration against France. Photo: AFP

New Zealand full-back Israel Dagg's explanation today
of his unusual try-scoring celebration against France
proved mystifying to both teammate Daniel Carter
and assembled media in Wellington.

During the match, Dagg marked one of his two tries
in a 37-17 All Blacks victory by bending his arm
to form a shape some described as resembling the French rooster.

He refused to discuss his celebration when quizzed by
journalists,
other than offering two crypic clues --
"a dog miaows"
and

"the laughing bear rides a motorcycle".

Carter, sitting alongside, could offer no insight, telling reporters:
"It makes no sense to me."

There were suggestions Dagg's unfathomable clues may have
been inspired
by French footballer Eric Cantona's famously obtuse
quote:
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think
sardines will be thrown into the sea."

Carter said the lack of familiarity with the match ball might be behind
the Rugby World Cup kicking woes of the world's best marksmen..

Wayward goalkicking has been a talking point of the tournament so far,
with the manufacturers of the Gilbert ball denying it's their problem,
saying each ball has been checked and approved by an engineer.


But Carter said it had different characteristics to what he was used to
from the Super Rugby season earlier in the year.


"It doesn't have as much give so, if you don't quite strike it right,
it then doesn't fly as straight as you would like at times," the All Blacks pivot said.


"But it is the same for every kicker ... if you strike it well - then it goes straight."

Carter, who had a 75 per cent success rate in the recent Tri Nations series,
described his slump to a 67 per cent average in the World Cup as frustrating.


"Obviously, when you play with a certain ball, you get used to it and to
have a new one for such an important tournament can be frustrating early on.


"But it's just a matter of getting out and working hard on the practice pitch."

AFP
Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/dog-miaow-and-laughing-bear-daggs-bizarre-try-celebration-20110927-1kv1a.html#ixzz1Z9nhCCOA
ISRAEL Dagg...

...27...

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Ducati Moto GP rider
Casey Stoner
of Australia
miaowwwww....

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MELBOURNE VICTORY
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ONE HEART
The 2010-11 soccer season will be
Melbourne Heart’s first in the A-League.

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...so now you know why I didn't bother watching the
RUGBY World Cup NZ v AUS Semi...
...but listened and glanced as I wrote this...
...and didn't ISRAEL play well...
...oh, I'm happy for our Southern Cousins Victory,
after all, we are, ONE HEART...
Friendship Pins with the flags of
Australia and New-Zealand

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Small badges often speak louder than big words.
Our Crossed Flag Pins – symbols of solidarity
with a powerful message!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodman_Fielder
White Wings | Goodman Fielder
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...yes, OUR HOME, NZ & O'Zion...
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Wallaby blackout:
Kiwis set to end Cup heartache

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...ummm...at that angle, I can see a 27...
September 27, 2011 - 3:45PM
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Israel Dagg's bizarre try-scoring celebration against France.
Photo: AFP

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Young gun
PICTURES: Nathan Haas
lands the biggest success
of his cycling career with victory
in the Jayco Herald Sun Tour

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Canberra's Nathan Haas has landed
the biggest success of his young cycling career
with victory in Jayco Herald Sun Tour
to complete a hugely impressive debut year as a professional.
Picture: George Salpigtidis
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All Jayco's are proudly designed and built in Australia

Jayco Herald Sun Tour rolls into Sovereign Hill
by:Mark Hayes
From:Herald Sun
October 14, 2011
12:00AM
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Watch
Herald Sun Tour

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Riders greet the starting gun
during stage two of the Jayco Herald Sun Tour at Sovereign Hill

yesterday. Picture: George Salpigtidis Herald Sun

THE Jayco Herald Sun Tour took a step back in time yesterday with
the second stage beginning at Ballarat's famous Sovereign Hill.


But there was nothing colonial about a frenetic day's racing
through the Brisbane Ranges en route to Geelong.


Little-known South African Reinardt Janse Van Rensburg won the stage after eclipsing
two of Australia's best sprinters - 2002 Tour champion Baden Cooke and
emerging star Steele Von Hoff - in a gripping uphill finish into Herne Hill.

The win pushed Janse van Rensburg into fourth overall, but
the leader's yellow jersey stayed on the back of stage one winner Rhys
Pollock, who is 15 seconds clear of Nathan Haas in second position.

Neither rider was confident they would fight out today's third stage, a testing

173km route from Geelong through the Otway Ranges to Lorne and then
back to the Bellarine Peninsula via the Great Ocean Road.

But after the fighting spirit their teams showed yesterday,
the pressure on the big-name European teams continues to grow.


Tomorrow's climb up Arthurs Seat looks set to determine the winner of Australia's
oldest stage race
, while the Tour ends in Lygon St with a circuit race on Sunday.

Both weekend stages will be telecast live on SBS.
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''The fresh terrases, lawns and grottos
with distinct plantations of the tallest
and most stately trees I ever saw in any
nobleman's grounds in England,
cannot excel in beauty those whose
nature now presented to our view,''

...so how did "they" then make the world
'believe', the "unlivable
desert" lie?
And WHY?


I just watched this on ABC24,
the link to the video of the programme is below,
and it shows much more than the news report.

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The Biggest Estate (on Earth)
Published:Friday, October 14, 2011 7:30 AEDT
Expires:Thursday, January 12, 2012
7:30 AEDT

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/10/14/3340516.htm?site=canberra§ion=news

Local author and historian Bill Gammage has a new book - with a
revolutionary perspective on the land management techniques of
Aborigines.

Tags:
nonfiction-books, history, indigenous-culture, aboriginal, australia, canberra-2600

Burning questions
Adrian Hyland
October 15, 2011
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Landscapes by artists such as John Glover
depict the ''park-like'' Australia described by early settlers.

WHEN Charles Darwin visited our shores, his impressions
of the indigenous inhabitants were far from complimentary: ''Harmless
savages wandering about without knowing where they shall sleep at night
and gaining their livelihood by hunting in the woods.''

If the most innovative thinker of the 19th century could
be so blinkered by his own preconceptions, so absurdly wrong, what hope
was there for his compatriots? Aboriginal Australians were regarded as
rootless, drifting, blown about by the wind and the weather, dependent
on the vagaries of a brutal climate to scratch out a precarious
existence in the harshest of environments.

Such perceptions were informed by 19th-century theories
of racial superiority, insinuated their way into the
''smooth-the-dying-pillow'' approach that characterised much of the
20th century and have echoes in the welfare dependence that racks
Aboriginal communities today.
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The Biggest Estate on Earth
by Bill Gammage.

In The Biggest Estate on Earth, ANU historian Bill Gammage
demolishes this view, demonstrating that Aboriginal people
not only brilliantly adapted to this environment - they created it.

Our vision of what pre-European Australia was like tends
to come from stretches of ''wilderness'', from scrub-covered ranges and
tangled gullies. But such does not seem to have been the experience of
the first Europeans.

''The fresh terrases, lawns and grottos with distinct plantations
of the tallest and most stately trees I ever saw in any
nobleman's grounds in England, cannot excel in beauty those whose nature
now presented to our view,''
commented First Fleeter Arthur Bowes
Smyth on the landscape around Sydney. Similar things were said of
Melbourne, where John Batman was enraptured: ''The most beautiful sheep
pasturage I ever saw in my life.''

Such comments ring out from the pioneers Gammage quotes
and the image is reinforced by the work of the colonial artists.


The trees were scattered, the scrub was thin. The soil
was so soft and dark you could sink a hand into it with ease. The rivers
were crystal clear. The plains were rich with game, the skies dark
with birds, the seas black with fish.

The picture Gammage paints is reminiscent of an armillary sphere:
an astonishing framework of interwoven circles and rings.

The life cycles of the flora and fauna - kangaroos and
koalas, grasses and yams and spear trees - were intimately connected,
perfectly balanced. What doesn't seem to have occurred to the settlers
was that, like the sphere, this intricate world was crafted by the
hand of man.

His thesis revolves around several environmental dilemmas:
how was it that plant species with diverse ecological
imperatives were living in such close proximity? Why was there grass
growing on the best soil in the valleys and scattered trees with little
undergrowth on the heights? How could species with such different fire
requirements be growing near each other?

He examines the works of the pioneer painters and
observes ribbon gum, blackwood and native cherry growing side by side.
Some trees need fire every five years, others every 10 years, others
not for centuries. In a landscape by John Glover, he uncovers evidence
of three distinct fire regimes: he finds wallaby traps and sanctuaries,
scattered trees that were useful for spears or medicine.

How could all this complexity have come about?

The logical answer, he concludes, was that it was
deliberately crafted by the first Australians.
And their main technique of control was fire.

The fire-stick was the most important implement in the
Aboriginal tool kit. They burned constantly: anthropologist Rhys Jones
estimates that a single family group would have lit about 5000 fires a
year. They burned to clear tracks, control insects, produce the ''green
pick'' that attracted game.

It was all done with greater skill and knowledge t
han white Australia could begin to imagine.

In Gammage's words, ''what the ecosystem needed, it got''.

Carefully crafted fire is the key to the incredible
complexity of the world he describes: it can trigger species to
regenerate (yam daisy) or sprout (banksia, waratah), to flower
(Christmas Bell) or germinate (hakea, heath), to die but set seed
(mountain ash). Fire provides essential nutrients, it activates soil
bacteria.

Aboriginal people viewed fire as a critical element of
the natural world, their burning based upon knowledge refined over tens
of thousands of years. Their fires were locally based, firmly
controlled, carefully crafted towards the needs of the landscape.

Inevitably, fire entered the Dreaming; walk into any
Aboriginal art gallery in the country and you are likely to come across a
painting whose motif is fire. Gammage quotes an elder from Arnhem
Land: ''You sing the country before you burn it - in your mind you see
the fire, you know where it is going, you know where it will stop.''

Then, in 1788, a new coloniser arrived, one more
interested in profit than knowledge. The carefully prepared landscape,
with its valleys and plains of waving grass, was an irresistible
temptation. Those areas most critical to maintaining the indigenous
ecology - the ''templates'', as Gammage describes them, where an
abundance of water, flora and fauna intersected - took on another value:
as pasture for sheep and cattle, as sources of profit.

But the settlers' understanding of the bush and its fire
regime was minimal. In some cases, they burnt to clear the land; their
burning was wild and indiscriminate. But then, as settlement became more
developed, as they acquired houses and towns, they attempted to
eradicate fire, just as they had eradicated the original inhabitants.

The results were disastrous.

Within a few years, with the destruction of Aboriginal
society and the disappearance of its fire regimes, much of the land the
explorers described as ''park-like'' was covered in thick scrub. Within
16 years, Victoria was ravaged by the inferno of Black Thursday. Ever
since, these monstrous conflagrations have roared out of the bush like
the vengeful ghosts of a vanquished world.

The Biggest Estate on Earth
is history of the most readable kind:
a fascinating amalgam of scientific enigma, bush lore and anecdote.


Gammage has an almost Borgesian instinct for capturing
complexity in a single sentence: after discussing the interweaving
trade routes that criss-cross the continent and along which objects
from seeds to shells could be transferred, he blithely comments:
''Anything could go anywhere.''

This is a beautiful and profound piece of writing, one
that has importance for us all. We live in the most fire-prone
environment on Earth. It was built to burn. Aboriginal people thrived
in this environment for thousands of years, their chief defences being
mobility, continual burning and an intricate understanding of the bush.

In Australia today, when we have lost that mobility and
when we burn in only the most haphazard manner, it is more important
than ever we understand our environment.
The Biggest Estate on Earth
makes a significant contribution
to that understanding.

■Adrian Hyland
is the author of Kinglake-350.

Bill Gammage discusses
The Biggest Estate on Earth

at noon on October 27
at the Wheeler Centre,
176 Little Lonsdale Street, city.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/books/burning-questions-20111014-1lote.html#ixzz1axLa71ZV
'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation - Page 5 First-farmers
''The fresh terrases, lawns and grottos
with distinct plantations of the tallest
and most stately trees I ever saw in any
nobleman's grounds in England,
cannot excel in beauty those whose
nature now presented to our view,''

...so how did "they" then make the world
'believe', the "unlivable
desert" lie,
for over 400 years?
And WHY?

ISAIAH 41

Keep silence 2790 before me,
O islands 339; and let the people 3816
renew 2498 [their] strength 3581:
let them come near 5066 ;
then let them speak 1696 :
let us come near 7126 together 3162
to judgment 4941.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=41&v=1&t=KJV#1

THE FIRST HOUSES IN AUSTRALIA
home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm -
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aar/housing.htm
18 Oct 1985 – Whoever heard of Aborigines living in stone houses, congregating in villages, ... in western Victoria of the stone remains of these houses in a recent ... The Sydney tribes salted and dried fish and meat and hung it in trees away from dogs. ... burning the land, or "firestick farming", as Rees Jones described it. ...
Aboriginal Village
(13/03/2003)

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We’re told that aborigines were nomads. Yet the local Gunditjmara in Western
Victoria claim their ancestors lived in a village. They had eel farms,
and even an eel industry, which exported produce across the country. If
this is true, it would challenge our current understanding of aboriginal
history.

Archaeologist, Dr Heather Builth, set out to
investigate the Gunditjmara’s claims. And remarkably she found a great
deal of evidence to support them…the remains of 100s of huts, more than
75 square kilometres of artificial channels and ponds for farming eels,
and smoking trees for preserving the eels for export to other parts of
Australia.


TRANSCRIPT


Narration: At Lake Condah in western Victoria, there’s a
mystery. We’re told aborigines were nomads. Yet here the aborigines,
claim their ancestors lived in a village. A village so sophisticated,
they farmed eels in these swamps, they processed them and even exported
them across the country. If true it would seriously challenge our
understanding of aboriginal history.

Ken Saunders: We weren’t nomads. We didn’t wander all over the bloody place and gone walkabout. We had an existence here.

Professor
Peter Kershaw found some tantalising evidence in this
snake-and-leech-infested swamp. He took a soil sample from the bottom.
Because soils are laid down gradually, drilling down several metres is
like going back in time.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This is
healthy peat material. It suggests that it’s accumulated under shallow
water and there’s been constant deposition. As we go towards the top
here, you can see it’s getting very kind of fine-grained sediment. It’s
very greasy.

Narration: It’s greasy because the lake was
continually churned up while this soil was being laid…possibly churned
up by human eel farmers.

Professor Peter Kershaw: This doesn’t occur naturally. It had to have some help. People have been here or that is the most likely explanation.

Dr
Heather Builth, found more enticing clues that there could be an
ancient eel farm here. There appeared to be countless artificial
channels crisscrossing this landscape.

Dr Heather Builth:
This has had to be excavated. This channel is artificial channel that
has come through the lava flow through the sheer rock to bring the water
from this swamp into that swamp.

Narration: In fact there
appeared to be artificial ponds here as well. But it was hard to make
sense of all this because the entire area was drained in the 1800s when
the Europeans moved in. But Heather had an idea. She measured up every
little hill and valley in the landscape, entered all the information
into a geography simulation programme and then re-flooded the land on
computer.

That way she could see where all the artificial
channels led. The computer programme revealed a dazzling picture. An
artificial system of ponds connected by canals, covering more than 75
square kilometres of the landscape.

Dr Heather Builth: I
realised there was something pretty clever going on here. The swamps
were joined and there were channels joining the wetlands to the river
and there were channels continuing on to the sea across the whole
length.”

Narration: Heather was starting to believe there
could well have been an ancient eel farm here. Meanwhile, the soil
samples revealed more exciting results when they got back to Peter’s
Monash University lab. Pollens were extracted, and they showed water
plants had suddenly appeared in the record – just what you’d expect if
humans had suddenly constructed an artificial ponding system. But the
most staggering result came when he soil samples were radiocarbon dated.
The artificial ponds it appeared, were created up to 8000 years ago.

Dr Heather Builth: Yeah that is pretty amazing historically, prehistorically in the world about controlling a resource in aquaculture.
Yeah – it could be one of the oldest systems in the world.”

Narration: Of course, none of the scientific discoveries surprised Ken. He says the whole countryside here is dotted with eel traps.

Ken Saunders:
We used to trap eels ourselves and use the eels traps. And some of the
young fellas today still use the eel traps. So the eel traps were part
of our diet. I still eat the bloody things today.

Narration:
The telltale sign of an eel trap is two piles of rocks in straight
lines. Woven basket-like nets were placed in the gap where the water
once flowed.

Dr Heather Builth: This would have come in
here, and understand that it would’ve been about four times as big as
this now, and it would’ve fitted in. There would’ve been a frame here - a
wooden frame and this would’ve gone through the frame like that so it
would’ve been filling up a bit. It was a big enough collar to catch the
eels. So what it meant was they could only come out one at a time and so
someone was here to catch the eels as they came out and grab them bight
them on the back of the neck, kill them put them in the basket.

Narration:
Evidence that 8000 years ago the Gunditjmara had a large-scale eel farm
here was already enough to rock the archaeological establishment. But
what about Ken’s claim that his people actually had an industry, and
were exporting their produce?

Heather had noticed there were a
lot of these trees that had obviously had fires in them. Could it be the
Gunditjmara smoked eels in them, to preserve them for export? She took a
sample deep down where the soil was contaminant-free, to see if a lab
could find traces of eel. But after putting it in the fridge overnight
she was greeted by a remarkable surprise the next morning.

Dr Heather Builth:
The next day, when we went in to open the door, the whole room stank of
smoked eel and that was the eureka moment. And the fact that all these
trees, if people had been using them, that means there was preservation.
Suddenly the whole picture changed. Gunditjmara weren’t just catching
eels; their whole society was based around eels. And that to me was the
proof. That was it.

Narration: This wasn’t just one of the
earliest farming villages…. this was an ancient industry. And that put
the Gunditjmara in a totally different category.

Dr Heather Builth:
A specialisation had developed here of eel production. And these eels
could have gone out long distances and they would have been the currency
these people bargained with. I think what we had here was a
hierarchical structured society. We had chiefs with lots and lots of
power.

Narration: But if this was a village, where did the
inhabitants live? The answer to that lay with these stones scattered
all over the landscape. Many of them seem to lie in circular patterns.
Archaeologists had dismissed them as natural formations, but could they
be the foundations of ancient huts?

To prove that, Heather
painstakingly measured and weighed each of the stones in some of these
structures. And sure enough she found they were too uniform to have been
stacked up by nature.

Graham: This is one of the stone huts?
Heather Builth: This is one of the stone houses.

Narration: They had to have been built by human hands and the most likely explanation is they were dwellings.

Graham: How many stone huts do you think were in this area?

Dr Heather Builth: I have myself have seen hundreds.

Graham: We’re talking about… I mean that’s a village…
Dr. Heather Builth: Yes, we’re talking villages
Graham: Villages!
Heather Builth: Villages

Lindsay Saunders:
You can see there about two metres. By about a metre high. The door
would have been facing east, away from the weather coming in from the
west. This would have housed about two or three people.”

Narration:
This is what the huts might have looked like, based on historical
accounts and the materials that were available. Wooden boughs sat on top
of the stone foundations and they were covered with peat sods for
strength and reeds for waterproofing. What you’re left wondering is…How
did archaeologists miss all this? Heather believes it’s because
everything disappeared very quickly when European farmers moved in.

Dr Heather Builth: A lot of them had a military background and they knew how to get rid of aboriginal people pretty quickly.

Narration: While the scientific discoveries don’t surprise Ken, he hopes they will help his people.

Ken Saunders: If we can get National Heritage Listing – which we will get – we can then rebuild and recreate the fish traps again.

Narration:
The Gunditjmara eel-trap-weaving skills are still being handed down,
and Heather now knows how the eel farms operated. Her science may just
help Ken’s people realise their dream.

Ken Saunders: Well
you couldn’t have a blackfella telling that story. So to prove it we
had to have a white person doing the scientific research to say this is
real.

Topics: Archaeology & History


  • Researcher: Robyn Smith
Story Contacts
Dr Heather Builth
Email

Postal address:

RMB 7460
Coustleys Rd
Homerton
Via Heywood
Victoria 3304
Ph: 03 55272051

Professor Peter Kershaw

Email


Director of the Centre for Palynology and Palaeoecology

Geography & Environmental Science
Monash University
Melbourne
Tel: 03 9905 2927

Ken Saunders

Co-ordinator of Lake Condah Sustainable Development Project

03-55784272
Related Info

Information on the project at Flinders University
true lilly wrote:This is in the News today, BBC News, but it's over a month, over 40 years, over 200 years,
and much, much older 'news', that like so much more truly ancient Australian History, 'they',
at
David Icke Official Forums, like the rest of The CONspiracy industry,
dare not, post, let alone, honestly discuss. Because, it is only one of
countless real world proofs, that when God described, ALL the world, ALL
the earth, All peoples, FROM THE BEGINNING, that is what He meant.


6 October 2011
Last updated at 02:18 GMT
Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia


By Stephanie Hegarty
BBC World Service

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Continue reading the main story

An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia
could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that
ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars.


Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders,
the site of
Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European
settlers two centuries ago,
and charted by archaeologists in 1977,

but only now is its purpose being rediscovered.


It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people -
the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the
rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and
practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century.


Now a team of archaeologists, astronomers and Aboriginal advisers
is reclaiming that knowledge.


They have discovered that waist-high boulders at the tip of
the egg-shaped point along the ring to the position on the horizon
where the sun sets at the summer and winter solstice - the longest
and shortest day of the year.


“Start Quote
<blockquote>It is interesting to know how far back people were doing astronomy,
if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge”

</blockquote> Prof Ray Norris
Astrophysicist



The axis from top to bottom points towards the equinox -
when the length of day equals night.


At Stonehenge, the sun aligns instead with gaps in the stones
on these key dates in the solar calendar.


The probability that layout of Wurdi Youang is a coincidence
is miniscule, argues Ray Norris, a British astrophysicist at Australia's
national science agency, who is leading the investigation.


Prof Norris and his Aboriginal partners used Nasa technology
to measure the position of each rock in relation to the sun, and
to demonstrate the connection with the solstices and equinox.


"It's truly special because
a lot of people don't take account of Aboriginal science,"

says Reg Abrahams, an Aboriginal adviser working with Prof Norris.


Giant emu
As happened with Stonehenge, the discovery could change the
way people view early societies. It is only recently that it has been
demonstrated that Aboriginal societies could count beyond five or six.


"This is the first time we have been able to show that,
as well as being interested in the position of the sun,
they were making astronomical measurements,"
says Prof Norris,
who is also a faculty member at the School of Indigenous Studies
at Macquarie University in Sydney.


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This photo of the emu in the sky by an aboriginal rock carving
was sent to every school in Australia



Other studies by Prof Norris, of Aboriginal songs and stories,
have also indicated a clear understanding of the movements of the sun,
moon and stars.


Indigenous customs vary among groups across Australia, but
one story that appears in many local traditions is
the tale of a great emu that sits in the sky.


The emu, which can be seen in the southern hemisphere during
April and May, is a shape made by the dark patches of the Milky Way.


Its appearance coincides with laying season of the wild emu
and for the storytellers it is a sign to start collecting eggs.


Prompted by historian Hugh Cairns, Prof Norris examined and
photographed an emu-shaped rock carving in Kuring-Gai Chase National
Park, near Sydney, which cleverly mirrors the celestial animal-like shape.

During the southern autumn, the constellation
is positioned above the rock
with the bird shape almost perfectly reflected
by the engraving.


Intellectual leap
Other stories show more complex,
intellectual understanding of the universe.


In the case of the solar eclipse, the Walpiri people in the Northern Territory
tell the story of a sun-woman who pursues a moon-man.
When she catches him the two become husband and wife
together causing a solar eclipse.


The idea that the solar eclipse is caused by the moon moving
in front of the sun is something only widely accepted by western
scientists in the 16th Century.


"This is not about balls of flames going out,
it's about one body moving in front of the other,"

says Prof Norris. "That is a giant intellectual leap."


Since solar eclipses are rare, the survival of this story,
passed down through generations,
also shows a remarkable continuity of learning.


These discoveries play a crucial role in helping
Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Australians
understand just how intellectually
advanced their ancient society was.


"This discovery has huge significance for understanding the
amazing ability of this culture that is maligned," says Janet Mooney,
head of Indigenous Australian Studies at Sydney University.


"It makes not only me, as an Aboriginal person,
but a lot of Aboriginal people around Australia very proud."


She hopes to be able to tell her students of
an aboriginal site more ancient than Stonehenge.


Continue reading the main story Aboriginal cultures

  • Australia's indigenous Aboriginal population make up 470,000 of the country's 21 million population
  • There are more than 400 separate Aboriginal traditions in Australia but they share many beliefs
  • All aboriginal cultures believe in the Dreaming, an expression
    for man's relationship to the spiritual natural and moral elements of
    the world

  • A Dreaming is a story owned by a particular tribe that tells the story of creation
Until it is dated however, Wurdi Youang could be anywhere from 200 to 20,000 years old.

Aboriginal stone structures in the region have a vast age
range and are very difficult to date. Many of the smaller rock sites
that have been found, such as shelters and cooking areas, have been
moved over time by natural and human forces.


But given the size of the stones at Wurdi Youang and how
deeply they are entrenched in the ground it is more likely they have
been there for thousands of years, archaeologists say.


Dating requires archaeologists to test the soil under the
rocks to see when it was last exposed to sunlight and the team hope to
be able to do this in the next few months.


But Prof Norris believes he has already proven the real value of the stone circle.

"It is interesting to know how far back people were doing
astronomy, if it is 5,000 years old it would predate Stonehenge," he
says.


"But it is not quite as interesting to my mind as whether the
Aboriginal people were doing real astronomy before British contact.
That really tells us a lot about what kind of culture it is."


Reach for the Stars - Aboriginal Astronomy was produced by Robert Cockburn and broadcast by Discovery for BBC World Service. Listen the radio documentary here
___________________________________________________
Good readers, this was my playground, growing up. It caused me to ask these questions,
about this glorious, truly ancient land's, truly ancient history, even as a child, yet despite
always getting the 'accepted', stock fob off's, 'something' always told
me that's what they were. Simple answers given to a child, as if being a
child made one simple. And so I kept, looking, asking, thinking about
answers given, and why they were given, when obviously,
so many of those 'accepted' answers, contradicted other 'accepted'
answers. Until now at a mature age, having enjoyed an 'interesting'
life, moving around a lot of this country, amongst many cultural and
social groups, from farming to politics, and much in between
and on the fringes, I found that when removing the contradictions,
what we are left with, is, what God described, from the beginning.

true lilly wrote:Another Sign to LOCATE Lands
Described in Holy Scripture...


NO ONE can simply walk up to
"quails" or "pheasants"
and collect more than they can eat,
but in ONE AREA on Earth they CAN, STILL,
gather the most tasty of birds...


Mutton Birds

Aboriginal people still harvest the mutton
birds. Our catch and sales are dependent
on the sustainability of the harvest. Mutton
birds are a delicacy to eat, with a rich oily
flavour unlike any other.

'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation - Page 5 Skunbird

The short-tailed shearwater of Griffiths Island
(Puffinus tenuirostiris - Tasmanian Shearwater)
is commonly called the 'mutton bird'.
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Given the name 'mutton bird'
by early settlers of Port Fairy
of its fatty flesh, the shearwater
was hunted as a food and oil source.

Today the shearwater
is totally protected in Victoria.

'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation - Page 5 MaP
The journey, of about 15,000 km, passes
New Zealand and Japan
and is completed in only two months.

The return journey follows the coast of
North America to California,
then south-west across the Pacific.
Prevailing winds aid their flight for most of the journey
but on the final leg, from the central Pacific,
the birds battle across south-east winds
.

They return to their nesting grounds exhausted...
http://www.port-fairy.com/shearwaters.htm

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Ferley Gardner,
Tasmanian Aboriginal Elder...
...One of the highlights of her childhood was
when her family would pack up everything each year
and travel to Big Dog Island or Babel Island
for the mutton bird season.

...COLLECTING BIRDS ON BABEL ISLAND ...

http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Tr...s/s1045602.htm
And all anyone has to do to see it, is get over that patently absurd,
insanely too short, only recently agreed on, "out of Egypt" lie.
true lilly wrote:Australian Aborigines the first astronomers
Posted on September 20, 2010 by Deskarati
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Rock engravings at Ngaut Ngaut, South Australia, which are said to
represent lunar cycles. There are many examples like this throughout
Australia which suggest that astronomy is an important part of many
Australian Aboriginal cultures.

An Australian study has uncovered signs that the country’s ancient
Aborigines may have been the world’s first stargazers, pre-dating
Stonehenge and Egypt’s pyramids by thousands of years.


Ray Norris said widespread and detailed knowledge of the stars had
been passed down through the generations by Aborigines, whose history
dates back tens of millennia, in traditional songs and stories.

“We know there’s lots of stories about the sky: songs, legends,
myths,” said Norris, an astronomer for Australia’s science agency, the
Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organisation (CSIRO).


Star-gazing for food

“We wondered how much further does it go than that. It turns out also
people used the sky for navigation, time-keeping, to mark out the
seasons, so it’s very practical.


“People were nomadic so when Pleiades (the Seven Sisters star
cluster) was up they would move to where the nuts and berries are.
Another sign and it would be time to move to the rivers to fish for
barramundi, and so on.”

Norris, who has studied Aboriginal culture and historical accounts by
white settlers, and made several trips to Arnhem Land in Australia’s
remote Outback, said his research also revealed more detailed
astronomical thought.

Figuring out an eclipse

“Clearly some thinker in the past has been sitting down in the bush,
watching an eclipse and trying to figure out how it works,” he said,
giving one example.

“Those thoughts are then encoded in the songs and ceremonies.
If you
take a lunar eclipse, the story in Arnhem Land is it’s the Sun Woman and
Moon Man making love, and when they make love the body of one covers
the other.”

Norris is now searching for evidence that would put a date on
Aboriginal astronomy, such as a rock-carving of a meteor strike or
comet.

Establishing a beginning date

He is confident the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain’s astronomy-linked Stonehenge, which is estimated at
3,100 BC, around the age of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

“We’ve established there is all this astronomy, what I don’t know is
how far back this goes. If it goes back 10,000 or 20,000 years, that
makes (Aborigines) the world’s first astronomers,”
he said.

via
Australian Aborigines the first astronomers | COSMOS magazine.
___________________________________________________________

The thing is, THEY KNOW IT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER.
It's just that we need to slowly ease the world into feeling like
they are part of the discovery, rather than feeling like dills.

Oh, and I think it was palomino who first posted this, way back then.
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Researchers are confident
the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers,
including Britain's astronomy-linked Stonehenge.
(AAP)
WANJINA...the tin foil hat brigade only want to see 'spacemen',
in everything...but come on, these are simply, Mighty, Big, Hairy,
White Freckled Skinned, Red Heads...The Tribe of BENJAMIN...
also, Female Wanjina are very rare, as BENJAMIN nearly became
extinct. Sex crazed, immorally, cruelly, unhealthily so, the rest of
The Tribes of Israel banned intermarriage with them, but so that
they didn't die out (God keeping His Promise), they took women
not of Israel, as wives.

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Judges - Chapter 21

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jdg&c=21&t=KJV#14
And they said 559 , [There must be] an inheritance 3425 for them that be escaped 6413 of Benjamin 1144, that a tribe 7626 be not destroyed 4229 out of Israel 3478.


Howbeit we may 3201 not give 5414 them wives 802 of our daughters 1323: for the children 1121 of Israel 3478 have sworn 7650 , saying 559 , Cursed 779 [be] he that giveth 5414 a wife 802 to Benjamin 1144.


Then they said 559 , Behold, [there is] a feast 2282 of the LORD 3068 in Shiloh 7887 yearly 3117 3117 [in a place] which [is] on the north side 6828 of Bethel 1008, on the east side 4217 8121 of the highway 4546 that goeth up 5927 from Bethel 1008 to Shechem 7927, and on the south 5045 of Lebonah 3829.


Therefore they commanded 6680 the children 1121 of Benjamin 1144, saying 559 , Go 3212 and lie in wait 693 in the vineyards 3754;

And see 7200 , and, behold, if the daughters 1323 of Shiloh 7887 come out 3318 to dance 2342 in dances 4246, then come ye out 3318 of the vineyards 3754, and catch 2414 you every man 376 his wife 802 of the daughters 1323 of Shiloh 7887, and go 1980 to the land 776 of Benjamin 1144.

And it shall be, when their fathers 1 or their brethren 251 come 935 unto us to complain 7378 , that we will say 559 unto them, Be favourable 2603 unto them for our sakes: because we reserved 3947 not to each man 376 his wife 802 in the war 4421: for ye did not give 5414 unto them at this time 6256, [that] ye should be guilty 816 .


And the children 1121 of Benjamin 1144 did so 6213 , and took 5375 [them] wives 802, according to their number 4557, of them that danced 2342 , whom they caught 1497 : and they went 3212 and returned 7725 unto their inheritance 5159, and repaired 1129 the cities 5892, and dwelt 3427 in them.


And the children 1121 of Israel 3478 departed 1980 thence at that time 6256, every man 376 to his tribe 7626 and to his family 4940, and they went out 3318 from thence every man 376 to his inheritance 5159.


In those days 3117 [there was] no king 4428 in Israel 3478: every man 376 did 6213 [that which was] right 3477 in his own eyes 5869.

_____________________________________________________
Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin, Wanjina, Benjamin...

...can't you hear the same name, travel over many ages, and tongues,
and still belong to the same type of people described...
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Aboriginal people believe

we have been here "forever".

According to current scientific
theories,
it is thought that Aborigines have
occupied Australia
for over 60,000 years -
and possibly
more than 100,000 years.
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27 books in the second part of Bible
(New Testament).

27: The total number of letters
in the Hebrew alphabet
(22 regular letters and 5 final consonants)


In the Kabbalah there are 27 letters,
corresponding to
27 channels of communication with God
and 27 combinations of the names of God and -
13
overt
and 14 covert.

AUSTRALIAN CASEY STONER'S number 27,

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A flag bearing the number of new
MotoGp World Champion Casey Stoner

is displayed during warm-ups for the
2007 Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix
held at Phillip Island Circuit on October 14, 2007
Phillip Island, Australia.

(October 13, 2007 -
Photo by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images Sport)

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27 books in the second part of Bible
(New Testament).

'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation - Page 5 843048-casey-stoner
17-10-2011
27 11 00 11
27 AGAIN
0h 0h
11 AGAIN and 11 AGAIN
and 'tintin's' 17 Anti-Christ Prince
IS LIMITED
...

0h, I could go on and on, showing how
tintin/cori, shuffle around the facts in
Today's News to sell 'their' the old lies,
make and target new threats, desperate
yet too cowardly to debate face to face,
what 'they' troll from others, to twist to
'their' DOOMED purpose, e.g.

2011 Honda Casey Stoner Repsol Fireblade
words - Feann Torr

Honda has unveiled a special edition
CBR1000RR Fireblade

to celebrate Casey Stoner's
return to the Honda fold,
limited to just 170 units.


...but this is the best 'they' can do:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3162
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3161
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3160

Surely 'they' don't think, or surely 'they' couldn't believe,
that over 6 years, of tens of millions of readers, have all
forgotten, that I at least, made a point of showing that,
the word and number twisting game tintin/cori play, is a
KEY part of HOW the infamous 'They' KEEP THE WORLD'S
BLINDING HOODWINK ON, while plotting (not so secretly)
amongst 'themselves', in public.

And surely some who do think, have seen for themselves
that the Main Stream Media is also where, those with eyes
that see, and ears that hear, can receive The Good News of
ALL GOD'S PROMISES, BEING KEPT, and things long hidden
BEING REVEALED. Surely, because God Promised: that ALL
The World would have HIS WORD Proclaimed, before AGAIN,
HE CONQUERS The World's Evil:


Deu 33:2
And he said 559,
The LORD 3068 came 935 from Sinai 5514,
and rose up 2224 from Seir 8165 unto them;
he shined forth 3313 from mount 2022 Paran 6290,
and he came 857 with ten thousands 7233
of saints 6944: from his right hand 3225
[went] a fiery 799 784 law 1881 for them.


<< Revelation 1:16>>
http://bible.cc/revelation/1-16.htm

Mar 13:10
And 2532 the gospel 2098 must 1163 first 4412
be published 2784 among 1519 all 3956 nations 1484.


Mat 24:14
And 2532 this 5124 gospel 2098 of the kingdom 932
shall be preached 2784 in 1722 all 3650 the world 3625
for 1519 a witness 3142 unto all 3956 nations 1484;
and 2532 then 5119 shall the end 5056 come 2240 .


Now DO click on those numbers and see the full,
descriptive meanings, of GOD'S WORD, and see,
how different it is, from 'the out of Egypt' 'bible'
stories, that kept things hidden, until The TIME
GOD CHOSE for them to be REVEALED to ALL,
tangled in the World Wide Web of deception.
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Post  true lilly Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:37 pm

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27 books in the second part of Bible
(New Testament).

27: The total number of letters
in the Hebrew alphabet
(22 regular letters and 5 final consonants)


In the Kabbalah there are 27 letters,
corresponding to
27 channels of communication with God
and 27 combinations of the names of God and -
13
overt
and 14 covert.

AUSTRALIAN CASEY STONER'S number 27,

'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation - Page 5 2007%20Australian%20Motorcycle%20Grand%20Prix%200rugN4CmCDal
A flag bearing the number of new
MotoGp World Champion Casey Stoner

is displayed during warm-ups for the
2007 Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix
held at Phillip Island Circuit on October 14, 2007
Phillip Island, Australia.

(October 13, 2007 -
Photo by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images Sport)

'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation - Page 5 016522-casey-stoner
27 books in the second part of Bible
(New Testament).

'tru lilly channeling New Age Neo Nazi Guru-Disinformation - Page 5 843048-casey-stoner
17-10-2011
27 11 00 11
27 AGAIN
0h 0h
11 AGAIN and 11 AGAIN
and 'tintin's' 17 Anti-Christ Prince
IS LIMITED
...

0h, I could go on and on, showing how
tintin/cori, shuffle around the facts in
Today's News to sell 'their' the old lies,
make and target new threats, desperate
yet too cowardly to debate face to face,
what 'they' troll from others, to twist to
'their' DOOMED purpose, e.g.

2011 Honda Casey Stoner Repsol Fireblade
words - Feann Torr

Honda has unveiled a special edition
CBR1000RR Fireblade

to celebrate Casey Stoner's
return to the Honda fold,
limited to just 170 units.


...but this is the best 'they' can do:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3162
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3161
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3160

Surely 'they' don't think, or surely 'they' couldn't believe,
that over 6 years, of tens of millions of readers, have all
forgotten, that I at least, made a point of showing that,
the word and number twisting game tintin/cori play, is a
KEY part of HOW the infamous 'They' KEEP THE WORLD'S
BLINDING HOODWINK ON, while plotting (not so secretly)
amongst 'themselves', in public.

And surely some who do think, have seen for themselves
that the Main Stream Media is also where, those with eyes
that see, and ears that hear, can receive The Good News of
ALL GOD'S PROMISES, BEING KEPT, and things long hidden
BEING REVEALED. Surely, because God Promised: that ALL
The World would have HIS WORD Proclaimed, before AGAIN,
HE CONQUERS The World's Evil:


Deu 33:2
And he said 559,
The LORD 3068 came 935 from Sinai 5514,
and rose up 2224 from Seir 8165 unto them;
he shined forth 3313 from mount 2022 Paran 6290,
and he came 857 with ten thousands 7233
of saints 6944: from his right hand 3225
[went] a fiery 799 784 law 1881 for them.


<< Revelation 1:16>>
http://bible.cc/revelation/1-16.htm

Mar 13:10
And 2532 the gospel 2098 must 1163 first 4412
be published 2784 among 1519 all 3956 nations 1484.


Mat 24:14
And 2532 this 5124 gospel 2098 of the kingdom 932
shall be preached 2784 in 1722 all 3650 the world 3625
for 1519 a witness 3142 unto all 3956 nations 1484;
and 2532 then 5119 shall the end 5056 come 2240 .


Now DO click on those numbers and see the full,
descriptive meanings, of GOD'S WORD, and see,
how different it is, from 'the out of Egypt' 'bible'
stories, that kept things hidden, until The TIME
GOD CHOSE for them to be REVEALED to ALL,
tangled in the World Wide Web of deception.

true lilly wrote:...only a tiny sample
of the countless examples of why the wise,
keep, The First Commandment, First and Last.
true lilly wrote:That's
The First Commandment of The Creator God,
Who told us, From The Beginning,
about All This Real World He Really Created,
and THE AGE of LIFE, HERE In This Real World,
BEFORE
OXYGEN=the prince of the air=DEATH...


Scientists claim bacteria fossils discovered
in Port Hedland
are more than 3.4 billion years old

August 22, 2011 9:00AM
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A 3D image of the 3.4 billion-year-old microfossil found in Western Australia. Picture: AFP / David Wacey and Derek Gertsmann.
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Strelley Pool in Pilbara region of Western Australia
where the fossils were found. Picture: AFP / David Wacey


SCIENTISTS in Western Australia have uncovered fossils
which they say are the oldest evidence of life on earth.

A team of researchers from the University of WA and Britain's
Oxford University say they have proof that the microscopic fossils,
found at Strelley Pool near Port Hedland, are more than 3.4 billion
years old.


The sulphur-based bacteria was found well preserved between quartz sand
grains in prehistoric sedimentary rocks, Oxford University's Professor
Martin Brasier said.


"We can be very sure about the age (of the fossils) as the rocks were formed
between two volcanic successions that narrow the possible age down to a few
tens of millions of years," he said in a statement.


The fossils are very clearly preserved, showing precise cell-like structures
all of a similar size, the research team said.


"At last we have good solid evidence for life over 3.4 billion years ago.
It confirms there were bacteria at this time,
living without oxygen,"
Prof Brasier said.

"Such bacteria are still common today.
Sulphur bacteria are found in smelly ditches,
soil, hot springs, hydrothermal vents —
anywhere where there's little free oxygen
and they can live off organic matter."


In recent years new scientific benchmarks have been introduced
that must be satisfied by researchers before claims can be made
about the age of fossils.


The West Australian fossils pass crucial tests including that the forms
seen in the rocks are biological and have not occurred through some
mineralisation process, Prof Brasier said.


"We're now making detailed comparisons with all other early microfossils,
and we're very optimistic for future finds," he said.


"The work also has implications for looking for life on other planets,
giving an indication of what evidence for such life might look like."

...and MAN LIVED,
and DEATH had NO power over the living,
before...

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=3&v=1&t=KJV#1
PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR and
SPIRIT WHO NOW WORKS IN SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE
"
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
in which you once walked according to the course of this world,
according to the PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR,
the SPIRIT WHO NOW WORKS IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE
"
(Ephesians 2:1-2)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eph&c=2&v=1t=KJV#1

ABADDON, ANGEL OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT and APOLLYON
"And they had as king over them the ANGEL OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT,
whose name in Hebrew is ABADDON
(Greek: Ἀβαδδών, Strong's Concordance #G3, meaning destoying angel), but in Greek he has the name APOLLYON (Greek: Απολλύων, Strong's Concordance #G623, meaning destroyer)." (Revelation 9:11, NKJV throughout)


MURDERER, LIAR and FATHER OF LIES
"You are of your father the devil,
and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a MURDERER from the beginning,
and does not stand in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own
resources, for he is a LIAR and THE FATHER OF IT.

" (John 8:44)


God 430 hath said 559
, Ye shall not eat 398 of it,
neither shall ye touch 5060 it, lest 6435 ye die 4191 .

And the serpent 5175 said 559 unto the woman 802,
Ye shall not surely 4191 die 4191 :

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=3&v=1&t=KJV#1

It's all there, evident in what is real, in this real world
and in God's Holy Scripture, the answers to disprove every
'contradiction', we've been taught to believe, 'disproves'
the truth of God's Living Word.

One only needs to seek and ask, and keep seeking and asking.


So best prepare your spirit, to accept God's Spirit,
when He removes the law of oxygenation/death,
to be able to keep living during God's '1000' yr.
healing period, before He puts death away, FOREVER.
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Post  mugglez Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:57 am

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The Land of Israel, not Australia is the Biblical Promised Land for the Hebrew Tribes. You want to claim differently show us the Testimony of at least one credentialed Rabbi/Teacher..

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/
Full Restoration of Israel (28 part series)
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home

The Full Restoration Of Israel!
Part I of a Series
In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting.

After the testing of Abraham's faith in Genesis 22, Yahuwah renews the promise, due to Abraham's great obedience in the binding of Isaac on Mt Moriah. In verses 17&18 Yahuwah reminds Abraham that it is he that will inherit the physical promise of physical multiplicity when his seed one day becomes more than the stars of heaven and the dust of the earth. In verse 18 we see that from this earth filling seed, will come one (Messiah), through whom all of the earth's families will be blessed. In Genesis 24 verse 60, Rebecca's family prophetically prays over her in order that her children may become "myriad's of peoples" and rule over their enemies.

In Genesis 26 verse 4 we see this promise of physical increase being renewed with Abraham's son Isaac. He is told that his zera will be more than the stars of heaven. Sound familiar? Isaac becomes the heir of this promise not Ishmael. Therefore when Yahuwah brings to pass this great and precious promise it will not be through an adopted Gentile like Eliezer or a child of the flesh like Ishmael, but rather through the child of promise (Isaac) the heir proceeding from Abraham's own body. Galatians 4:28 confirms that only Isaac is the child of promise. What promise? The promise of physical multiplicity that would fill the earth, yet still possess the land of Canaan as it's own homeland.

Genesis 28 verse 3 finds Isaac blessing Jacob and prophesying that the promise that Yahuwah gave Abraham and Isaac would now be bestowed upon Jacob and not Esau. We see that in verse three Isaac prays that Jacob's zera, would be blessed and become a "kehelat goyim" or "assembly of peoples." For the first time in scripture we get a glimpse of Yahuwah's plan for filling the earth with the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Hebrew term found in verse three is "kehelat goyim" or an assembly of nations or even better an "assembly of goyim". Somehow the Father will fill the earth with the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by putting together an assembly of goyim. Verse 4 confirms that what Isaac is bestowing upon Jacob is none other than the blessing of Abraham.

It is absolutely crucial for us to understand that there are not many promises to Abraham. There are not some that are spiritual and some others that are physical. Rather there is one promise and that one promise contains two aspects of physical blessing. One is the seed who would bless the nations, that being Messiah Yahshua Himself, the other being merely a promise of physical reproduction and multiplicity. In Genesis 28 in the account of Jacob's ladder we find Yahuwah telling Jacob that his seed will be spread out as the dust of the earth and will break forth to the four corners of the globe. In other words his offspring would find its home in Canaan land, but would somehow through Yahuwah's divine plan break forth and find its way to the four corners of the earth. This promise is none other than the bestowing upon Jacob of the promise and blessing of Abraham. The Hebrew term used in Genesis 28 verse 14 is the term "parats" meaning to break forth. It literally means to jump out and spread quickly. This promise of physical multiplicity must come through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob therefore nullifying any claims by Islam and Ishmaelites or any other misguided Bible scholars claiming that this promise is fulfilled in adding the Jews and Muslims together. That is wrong since this promise must come through Isaac and Jacob not Ishmael and Esau. The Ishmaelite, Arab and Muslim peoples are the physical descendants of Abraham alone, not of the promised heirs Isaac and Jacob. They do not, I repeat do not, meet the standards set down by Yahuwah when He stated that the promise of physical multiplicity would come through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The faith of Islam is not the faith of Abraham because in order to have the faith of Abraham one must believe it was Isaac not Ishmael who was the chosen seed!

We find Yahuwah elaborating on this promise to Jacob in Genesis 35:10-11 where He declares to Jacob that he would no longer be known as Jacob but as Israel. Israel means one who as a prince struggles with Yahuwah and prevails. It is as Israel that Jacob will produce sperm that will lead to the establishment of a nation and a company of nations. The nation of course is destined to be the Jewish people and the company of nations will be the "kehelat goyim" or the assembly of nations (Gentiles) that will proceed from his own body.

As we jump forward in time we find Israel the great patriarch dying in the land of Goshen in Egypt and he summons all his sons to his bedside as he is dying. He somehow finds enough strength and leans on his staff and begins to prophecy through the Ruach HaKodesh the events that will befall his sons in the last days. The Brit Chadasha (New Covenant) refers to these deathbed prophecies of Israel as an act of worship. In Genesis 48:5 he adopts Joseph's children born in Egypt, Ephraim and Manasseh as his own. He is declaring his last will and testament right there in front of Joseph. He officially adopts these two boys so that Joseph his most beloved son can receive a double portion of blessing through both his sons (verse 22). In verse 16 of Genesis 48 he calls these two grandchildren "Israel", since he not only adopts them but prophetically declares that the physical promise of physical global multiplicity will come through them. After stating "let my name be called upon them," meaning they are Israel's children, he prays that they will become a multitude. The Hebrew term used here for multitude can be read as a "teeming multitude of fish". It is interesting to remember that it was none other than our Messiah Yahshua who declared that He would make us fishers of men. Could many of the men he was referring to be the "teeming multitude proceeding from Ephraim and Manasseh?

As Israel is about to pronounce blessing he lays his right hand on Ephraim instead of Manasseh who was Joseph's firstborn. The right hand is symbolic of the blessing of the first born and should have rightfully fallen to Manasseh. However above the protests of Joseph, Israel crosses his hands and place the right one on the second of Joseph's sons Ephraim. When Joseph objects Israel tells him not to worry that he knows exactly what he is doing and that while Manasseh will become a great nation, Ephraim will be greater than him. In Genesis 48:19 we have one of the most fascinating and important prophecies of scripture. In blessing Ephraim over and above his brother, Israel declares that the seed or zera of Ephraim will become the "maleh goyim", or the "fullness of the Gentiles". In other words the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that was promised to one day literally fill the earth as the sand and dust of the earth and stars of heaven, will now come to pass in and through Ephraim. Ephraim will be the vehicle though which the great and precious single promise of physical multiplicity will literally come to pass. In English the words "maleh hagoyim" can best be translated as the "fullness of the Gentiles". If that term sounds familiar it should. It is a quotation from Romans 11:25 by Rav Shaul (Paul) as the method and means by which all Israel would be saved. The only other time this word maleh is used in Tanach is in Psalm 24:1, where the psalmist declares that the earth is Yahuwah's and the fullness thereof. In other words the earth is full of peoples, places and things that belong to Yahuwah and there is nothing found in the earth that does not belong to Yahuwah. In like manner there will be virtually no one in the earth that is not somehow belonging to the seed of Ephraim since it is the seed of Ephraim where all the blessings of physical multiplicity will be found. More on that later.

Not only do we see Ephraim receiving the birthright of the first born over and above his older brother Manasseh, but Israel also removes it from Reuben in Genesis 49:3 & 4 since Reuben defiled his father's bed and was sexually impure regarding the privacy and intimacy of Israel's marriage bed. So in reality Ephraim is moved ahead of Reuben, Joseph and Manasseh to receive the blessing of the firstborn of Israel. First Kings 5:1-2 and Jeremiah 31:9, confirms this essential truth. There is however some needed insight at this point. In all ancient Mideast cultures the right of the firstborn was essential in establishing lordship over the house of the dying father. With the birthright went power, authority, respect, grandeur and the right to enact all family business and transactions pertaining to its sustenance, care and well being. In essence the birthright was the permission to the firstborn to take over and rule the fathers' house in the fathers absence through death. Isaac received this right from Abraham even as Jacob received it from Isaac, albeit deceitfully. With the birthright went power and therefore it was coveted greatly in that culture.

When Israel gave Ephraim the birthright, however, he gave it to him with one major reservation. We read about this in Genesis 49:8-10, where Judah is given the pre-eminence or power to rule and reign royally over the House Of Israel! In verse 9 it states that all Israel's children will bow before the royalty of Judah and verse 9 states that the pre-eminence will cause all Israel to pay homage to the Lion of Judah whom verse 10 refers to by the Messianic moniker of Shiloh. Shiloh means the "sent one" or the anointed King Messiah from the kingly line of Judah who would be manifest in the natural through the tribe of Judah. Hebrews 7:14 makes it clear that Yahshua was Shiloh and it is evident that He sprang forth from Judah. What a mess! Did Jacob make a major error? Did he go to all the trouble of establishing Ephraim as the firstborn with the firstborn birthright only to give him a title without authority and without preeminence over his brothers? Did he make Ephraim a puppet ruler with just a paper title much like the modern day Queen of England? One thing we know for sure. He brought a split into and among the sons of Israel since one son had a birthright but the other son Judah had the right to rule! What good is a birthright without the authority that goes along with it? The children of Israel would submit to Judah's seed not Ephraim's, yet Ephraim's seed would become the fullness of the Gentiles. Judah would rule over the House Of Israel, but Ephraim would bring forth the promised zera that would fill the globe with the promise to the patriarchs of physical multiplicity. Of course Israel knew what he was doing since he was ministering through the Ruach HaKodesh. He split the authority and blessing between the two brothers who would continue to wage war over the fullness of the blessing that would ultimately be played out in a battle royal over the title of who is Israel? How ironic that according to Genesis 49:10 it will be the Lion of Judah (Messiah Yahshua), that would gather the goyim or nations of the seed of Ephraim back into the House Of Israel! After Israel died and his children waxed great in Egypt this promise of physical multiplicity began to trouble a Pharaoh who knew not Joseph. Of course he enslaved the Hebrews and it took Moshe Rabainu our great deliverer to rescue Israel from the house of bondage. As history teaches us Moshe took the twelve tribes out of Egypt to Sinai where they received Torah and the twelve tribes settled the land of Canaan. After a period of diverse judges and after King Saul, David was anointed King over all Israel. In the days of David the King, we see the house of Judah ruling and reigning over a united Israel with 12 tribes under David's monarchy. All was well until Solomon, David's' son, began whoring physically as well as spiritually and Yahuwah revealed to Solomon that the kingdom would be broken in the life of his son Rehoboam because of Solomon's sins. (First Kings 11:11-14). Yahuwah further revealed to Jeroboam an Ephraimite, one of Solomon's talented craftsman, that he would receive ten tribes resulting from this split in the kingdom of Israel after Solomon's death. This prophecy was acted out in front of Jeroboam by Ahiyah the prophet. The glory days under David was the last time that the kingdom belonged to all Israel, made up of all twelve tribes. In approximately 921 BC the ten northern tribes broke away from the House Of David and called themselves Israel making Samaria its capital. The southern tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi made up the southern kingdom under Rehoboam with Jerusalem as its capital (Read First Kings 11:26-43). As Rehoboam prepares an army to retake the ten renegade tribes in the north, Yahuwah forbids it in First Kings 12:24 by telling Rehoboam that this split in the House Of David is from Him and that they should not fight against their brothers.

This split in 921 BC was simply the literal fulfillment of the prophetic unction's pronounced by Jacob over his sons when he split the family so to speak. He split the birthright between Ephraim and Judah and that is why Yahuwah says in First Kings 12:24 that this family split is from Him. He ordained it and desired it so that He could bring to pass the promise He made to the patriarchs. Specifically the promise of physical multiplicity. The means by which our Heavenly Father chose to do this is through this split in David's House. We will see why later! What began with Jacob now was being played out in the natural. The Northern kingdom of ten tribes began to adopt pagan practices, holidays, customs, false worship and unfortunately Jeroboam became the father of Ephraimite pagans. In First Kings 12:26-33 we see the evil heart of Jeroboam son of Nebat at as he devised a scheme for the ten tribes collectively known as the House of Israel or Ephraim to begin to practice a false religion designed to keep Ephraim separate from Judah and separate from Judah's Elohim. As we will shortly come to realize this House of Ephraim would one day become hidden as individuals within the Christian Church through Yahuwah's program of the regathering of Ephraim through Messiah Yahshua and would adopt all of the ungodly pagan practices of Jeroboam. This system of Jeroboam had as its basic design the creation of a separate entity from the House of David consisting of the ten tribes in the north.

This separation unto debauchery and unto Ephraim's departure from the family of Israel resulted in Yahuwah's judgement in approximately 721 BCE when Yahuwah send Tilgat Pilsger III, the Assyrian king to utterly destroy the House Of Ephraim or the ten northern tribes. Since Ephraim played the harlot and lifted her skirt to every foreign deity, Yahuwah declared that he would in like manner sift her and cause her to be naked before the Gentile nations, by bringing an end to the northern kingdom, of Israel. This stern punishment would be enacted by the dispersing and swallowing up of these ten tribes by the world's pagan nations. Since Ephraim's lust, penchant and desire for paganism was so great Yahuwah permitted the ten tribes to become the very thing that they so desperately and so wickedly craved to be! Thus we find that the children of Israel experienced their first holocaust in 721 BCE when ten tribes seemingly disappeared and became lost spiritually as well as physically. Thus was born the ten lost tribes of Israel.

As we are about to discover this breakage was the method by which Yahuwah chose to fulfill the family split caused by Jacob himself as well as to fulfill the promise of physical multiplicity to the patriarchs. Are the ten tribes really lost? Can they be found? Have they been destroyed or somehow preserved? Did the Messiah come to restore the Tabernacle of David which had fallen in 920 BCE? Did the ten lost tribes of Israel become Gentiles later to be regathered back into the house Of Israel by the ministry of Moshiach? Is it possible that the ten tribes became the "maleh goyim" or the "fullness of the Gentiles" that we read about in Romans and that was promised to be the physical Israelite seed through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Ephraim? Let's find out!

The prophet Hosea is a great place to start our definitive search for the other house of Israel, the House of Ephraim. From this point forward the key to understanding prophecy related to the restoration of the twelve tribes into the House Of David is to understand that after the split in 921 BCE Yahuwah almost never ever refers to one house but to two houses of Israel! When He speaks to the North (10) tribes He speaks of Israel or Ephraim. When He speaks to the South He speaks of Judah. He always separates these two entities and unless you learn to do likewise you cannot and will not understand any prophetic writings or prophecies given by any of Israel's prophets after the split of the House of David. Get it fully settled in your minds that after 921 BC there were and still are two separate houses of Israel!! If you can comprehend this truth you are well on your way to being an instant prophecy expert!

In Hosea chapter One, the prophet sent to the northern kingdom of Israel is told to take a wife who is a whore since that would give him a pretty good idea what the ten tribes have done to Yahuwah. After cohabiting with Gomer, Hosea calls their daughter "Lo-Ruhammah" (verse 6), meaning no mercy or compassion. In verse 4 of Hosea One we see Yahuwah putting an end to the northern House Of Israel and in verse 6 He promises to never again show Israel in the north any mercy. In verse 7 Yahuwah stated that unlike Israel, He will show mercy to Judah in the south. The couple conceived a son in verse 9 and Yahuwah commands Hosea to call his name "Lo-Ami" for you are not my people and I am not for you. When Yahuwah is against you the party is over. Israel or Ephraim is called Lo-Ami, not my people. It is adios , good bye and good night Irene! No more mercy, no more my people, no more a kingdom, and Yahuwah fighting against you. We see clearly the end of the ten northern tribes as a nation before Yahuwah. A total divorce and rejection has taken place. Hosea 7:8,8:8,9:11,9:17,10:1,12:1 and other passages confirm that Ephraim's plight is to become Lo-Ami, swallowed up among the Gentiles. Yet in verse 10 we see a startling declaration. Despite a death sentence for the ten tribes as an identifiable kingdom or nation, miraculously they reappear and are born-again so to speak in the last days. Verse 10 of Hosea One begins with the words "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the seashore. Here we have a kingdom totally destroyed and swallowed up among the Gentiles, miraculously reappearing as the former children of Israel and are even called the sand of the sea! Sound familiar? It should! This is the sand of the sea promise made to the patriarchs and to Ephraim. This verse further reveals to us just where we are going to find the ten lost tribes or the sand of the sea that cannot be counted. The ones who call themselves and are called by Yahuwah children of Elohim! Do you know any modern day group of people that run around referring to themselves and claiming themselves to be children of the living Yahuwah! You got it! The born-again community of Gentile believers is nothing more than the former dispersed House Of Israel. Yahuwah further states in this verse that when Ephraim is gathered they will be His people or His Ami and He will be their Elohim since they have become sons of the living Elohim by grace though faith (Hosea 2:21-23). This cannot possibly be made any clearer. A nation that has come to an end, disappeared or become lost if you will, all of a sudden showing up as sons and daughters of Yahuwah in the last days! Elohim Himself reminds us in verse 10 that this group in nothing more than the former House of Jeroboam or House of Israel. In verse 11 of Hosea One we see this return of the ten lost tribes coming back into the House Of David in the days when these former lost Israelites appoint for themselves the same head that Messianic Jews are appointing for themselves. This one head is the head of the body made up of nothing more than Judahites and Ephraimites with perhaps some true Gentiles, now restored to Yahuwah as redeemed individuals from both houses and are learning to trust and lean on the same Head by appointing that Head (Yahshua) as personal Elohim and Savior! Verse 11 goes on to say that when individual Ephraimites and Judahites are making this personal appointment of Yahshua as king of their lives it will not be a day to build something called "a church" where "the church" replaces the Jew, rather it will be the day of Jezreal. Jezreal means the replanting of those who were scattered! Baruch HaShem Yahuwah. Notice the very next verse in Hosea 2:1, where both Judahites and Ephraimites who appoint Yahshua as their head (in the day of Jezreal's regathering and replanting into David's rebuilt Tabernacle), will no longer look at their brothers and sisters as spiritual brothers or sisters only, but will see them in a new light. What light is that? As "ami!" My own people. Bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. When Ephraim and Judah are individually regenerated and regathered into the rebuilt Tabernacle of David then we will begin to recognize each other as blood brothers, as physical Israelites from different sides of the same family that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb!



Remember that in Matthew 15:24 Yahshua stated in the clearest possible terms that he was sent for no one except the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Notice He did not state that He came for Gentiles or Jews. He did not come only for Jews because Jews are Judahites physically descended from the two southern tribes that made up the Kingdom of Judah. He also has no interest in Gentiles. Why? Because those who respond to Yahshua's love, and come back to the restored Tabernacle of David, may look like Gentiles, act like Gentiles, behave like Gentiles, eat pork and break the Shabbat like Gentiles, but are in fact nothing more than the lost physical sheep of the house of Israel who became the Gentiles and have been living like Gentiles for 2700 years. Obviously when they come back they are not going to look like Israelites who practice and are faithful to Torah. Either you are going to believe Yahshua and scores of other prophets or you are going to make up your own theology. He said I have come only for all the lost sheep of the House of Israel. This includes the Jews but also includes the other house of Israel, who are my brothers in the flesh. Of course Paul, Peter and others were sharing the gospel with Gentiles because where else are you going to find the seed of Ephraim, except among the Gentiles filling the globe. Amos 9:9 tells us that though scattered among the Gentiles, not one grain or person will fall to be destroyed. In other words they will not disappear from the earth, but will mix and literally become the peoples of the earth, only to be brought back to Yahuwah in the end times, on an individual basis. The Great Commission (Matt: 28 18-20) therefore is nothing more than a world wide search for the seed of Ephraim the sand of the sea, dust of the earth, the teeming multitudes of humanity. Part of that search of course will be to look for the dispersed of Judah as well. Yaakov (James) testifies to this truth by reminding the Jerusalem Council that Yahuwah was just visiting the Gentiles nations through the preaching of the gospel, not to live there, but to rescue and pull out His people called by His Name ( Acts 15:14-17). Through this rescue James reminds us that Yahuwah is rebuilding The Tabernacle Of David made up of all the twelve tribes of Israel. Since He is Israel's Elohim, He is pulling out and rescuing Israelites from the "outcast status" that had been their inheritance due to their disobedience to Torah. These people are Israelites regardless of whether they themselves realize it or not! Is not that what it means to be lost? Lost spiritually as well as physically!

Is it not fascinating that after three and a half years of Yahshua's earthly ministry as He is about to ascend back to heaven from the Mt. of Olives, all remaining eleven talmidim come to Him and ask Him the same exact question. This is almost unimaginable since these eleven rarely agreed on anything and were always fighting and asking questions, seeking to bolster their own agenda. Yet in total unanimity they all had the same final question. Master, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel? (Acts1:6) That is what they were concerned with. Not the creation or building of a separate entity called "the church" which has sought to replace, annihilate and often destroy the Judahite people. Let it be clearly understood that the word "church" is nothing more than the ekklesia or assembly of the Tanach. It is the same assembly that was receiving Torah on Mt. Sinai (Acts7:37-38). There is one New Covenant assembly, called Israel by Rav Shaul (Galatians 6:16). There is no such thing as a separate entity called "the church", with a separate Shabbat and a separate holy day schedule. In Spanish and Portuguese and almost every language ekklesia meaning those "called out ones" maintains the basic idea of an assembly. Only in English do we have this "church" (derived from a pagan circular blood ritual called "church") word that appears to be teaching that Yahshua built something new called "the church", when all He was doing was rebuilding the mikra or assembly of the Tanach and filling it with power. When the Septuagint translation of the Tanach was translated from Hebrew to Greek around 175 B.C.E., every translator translated the word mikra into ekklesia and that is exactly what Yahshua Himself claims to have come to build (Matthew 16:16-19)! The oldest New Covenant manuscripts in our possession today and written in Aramaic (a dialect of Hebrew), confirm the absence of the word "church" again using in its place the word "assembly." Because of Ephraim's jealousy and hatred of his brother Judah, along with an ongoing addictive attraction to anything pagan or foreign to Torah (like father like son), he decided to become a separate man-made entity known as "the church" totally divorced from Jacob's family and it's rich Hebraic roots, which explains why today the "church" as it mostly stands is absolutely unrecognizable to both Jews and often to Yahuwah Himself! This self-desired divorce from Israel has left "the church" without any tools with which to provoke Judah to jealousy. She is a man-made self willed religious divorcee from the covenant people of Israel!

The gospel is not merely a proclamation of personal salvation. It is a message of national restoration to Israel from a divided family which manifested itself in two still separate houses of Israel. Matthew 24:14 reminds us that the gospel is the gospel of the Kingdom. In Matthew chapter 12 Yahshua speaks of the principal of a divided house without any ability to withstand the fiery darts of Satan! What kingdom? The kingdom of Israel. In Luke 24:21 the talmidim were very disappointed since they fully and rightfully expected the twelve tribes to be resorted under Yahshua the Moshiach. Where would they get that idea from? Jeremiah 23 verses 3-6 Yahuwah declares that He will bring Israel and Judah back from global dispersion in the days that Messiah arrives. In verse 5 and 6 it states that Judah shall be saved and Israel shall dwell safely. We see the reunification of both houses under the Messiah or the reunification of all twelve tribes all living in the land of Israel. Remember that in order for the House of David to be fully restored and rebuilt it has to be composed of the same composition that left Egypt, received Torah and made up the glory days of King David. All twelve tribes! Any revival or restoration movement that does not include the full restoration of all twelve parts of the family and merely focuses in on two parts of the twelve parts, is not flowing in a full vision of restoration. Messianic Judaism in order to continue to experience the full last days blessings of Yahuwah, must expand it's vision to include all of Israel. The vision does not have to be changed at all and should be of no threat to Messianic Judaism's leadership, once it determines the truth of Israel's two houses and demands that Ephraim renounce all paganism and embrace the fabric of Israelite living and holiness which is Torah. The future of the last days revival of Israel and the very fabric and survival of the modern Messianic Jewish movement depends on a leadership ready to re-evaluate the preservation of Ephraim for 2,700 years amongst and as Gentiles. That is the final "Tikun HaOlam" (restoration between Judah & Ephraim), spoken of in Ezekiel 37:11-28! It is wrong for bible students & Messianic leaders to teach and believe that Judah, Ephraim, and Israel are all the same and are really analogous or synonymous interchangeable terms, whose usage varies, depending upon what mood Yahuwah is in. That is historically inaccurate as well as theologically deceptive and if Yahuwah is able to differentiate between the two still divided houses after 720 BCE, why can't we?

Go back now and read your Bible, understanding that when Yahuwah refers to the ten tribes it is always Ephraim or Israel and when He refers to the two southern tribes it is always as Judah. Try it! Your eyes will be open to the true, everlasting and final Tikun HaOlam. If you refuse to read your Bible without that foundational premise, then you are bound to find an Elohim who is repetitive, confused and throws terms around referring to two nations when there is really one. Of course based on this faulty reasoning Yahuwah is not too swift at identifying and locating the outcasts of Israel (Ephraim) either! Do you really believe that? Of course not! You and I may not know where to look for the ten tribes but rest assured Yahshua does, and that is exactly what He has been doing for two thousand years right under our collective nose, since that was His assignment according to Isaiah 49:5-6. During that same time period we were all busy fussing and fighting as two brothers engaged in sibling rivalry!

What it all boils down to is, whose report will you believe? An Israel made up of two tribes or one made up of twelve which Yahuwah Himself vowed to fill the earth with. Since He is faithful you can rest assured that almost everyone on this planet has a drop of Israelite blood since Yahuwah' blessing of physical multiplicity would fill the globe through Ephraim's banishment and subsequent intermarriage and assimilation. If the earth is full of Israelite blood how much room is there left for any other types of peoples without some Israelite blood? If this promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has been literally fulfilled only through the Jewish people alone, who continue to number only 16 million and can easily and readily be counted, censused and numbered, then the promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an outright lie! Yahuwah lied! Sixteen million Jews does not constitute a multitude that cannot be numbered! Sixteen million or so Jews could all fit nicely into the land mass of the state of Florida. The promise of physical multiplicity was not fulfilled in Judah alone! That is a numerical and practical impossibility! The question before you is not can everyone on earth really have at least a drop of Israelite blood? The question before you is did Yahuwah lie and speak in half truths? Are we to take him at his literal word? This teaching of the two houses submits the truth that Ephraim plus Judah with a few true Gentiles (?), equals billions of human beings and from those billions (5 or 6 billion), a remnant Israel is being saved from all twelve tribes and are being reconciled to Yahuwah through the precious blood of the one who declared "I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel"! Whose report will you believe? Those promoting separate entities and thus two Israels, one physical and the other spiritually adopted, or Yahuwah who has only one physical Israel, that is spirit filled and led, taken from all twelve tribes, with no one being adopted into physical Israel, but requiring everyone Jew and non-Jew to be adopted into Yahuwah's family! The choice is yours! Is it possible that the real reason behind the reason of saved Judah's carefree, careless attitude towards trying to discover where in the world the rest of his lost physical family really is, is nothing more than a colossal case of a self centered mindset! In Judah's defense it is perhaps possible that Judah is too busy trying to survive the Diaspora than to be concerned about finding his brother's whereabouts. Regardless of the real reason, Yahuwah only deals with these two chosen families in the earth (Jeremiah 33:24).

Is it not interesting that the promised New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 talks about Yahuwah cutting a covenant with the House Of Israel and the House of Judah never once mentioning cutting one with Gentiles or Christians. The House of Israel mentioned in Jeremiah is Ephraim those born-again non-Jews. Remember that all Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. In the heavenly Jerusalem of Revelation 21:12 notice that all those born again folks planning on having everlasting life must enter the city through one of 12 gates, one for each of the twelve tribes. Isn't it funny and strange how Yahuwah forgot to make a gate for Christians or "saved Gentiles". The reason is that everyone in New Covenant Israel from both sides of the physical family is a blood descendent of Israel with some few exceptions. Even those exceptions become Israelites according to Torah! I'll discuss more on that in the next issue.

In Jeremiah 31:3-22 we read detailed descriptions of Ephraim (ten tribes) returning to the land. Any aliyah or any program of returning Jews to Israel to live must and will include all Israel including Ephraim. In the verse mentioned above we see the ten tribes being replanted on the mountains of Israel. Do you have a problem with that? Yahuwah doesn't! You see our vision is too small. Our vision must be the vision of Yahshua and the 12 disciples and must include a revival among all Israel, not just 2/12th's of Israel!! It was Yahshua Himself who promised the twelve talmidim a millennial rule over twelve verifiable and recognizable tribes of re-gathered millennial Israel (Matthew 19:28). Zechariah in chapter 8:22-23, specifically refers to ten men representing the ten returning tribes grabbing the tzitzit (fringes) of a Jew who has come to know Yahshua personally and declaring that they will also return to Zion and Torah. Notice that these ten returning men speak all of the world's known languages. In this passage we see the ongoing return of all Israel, to Israel!

In Yaakov (James) 1:1 Yaakov writes his epistle to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. Obviously James knew that the body of Yahshua that he was writing to was nothing more than the re-gathered 12 tribes of Israel that had been redeemed through Yahshua and he addressed them as such! If the ten tribes remained lost and nowhere to be found why would James write to them and call them brethren of faith in verse 2 of James chapter One? Obviously he had no problem with the body of Yahshua being New Covenant Israel made up of all twelve tribes and perhaps some very few exceptions. Have you ever written a post card to people that had disappeared from the earth or didn't exist? Obviously they had to exist in order to be written to and to be addressed.

Was it just Yahshua & James that had this revelation? In I Peter 1:1, Keefa writes to the chosen people living in the Diaspora. The Jewish Diaspora did not happen until 20 years after this epistle was penned in about 50 AD. Yet he refers to these other ten tribes' descendants who have come to faith as "the chosen people". Could it be that Ephraim is just as chosen as Judah? Does that burst your bubble? Poor thing! You thought that only two tribes (Jews) were chosen. The scriptures never once calls the Jewish people chosen. Rather it calls all Israel, of which the Jews are but two parts, the chosen people! Jeremiah 33:24 confirms this truth. Yahuwah states that he has chosen two houses or two clans or two nations! Got that! That is the House Of Israel and the House Of Judah. Peter wrote to the re-gathered House of Israel when addressing his epistle! You want some more New Covenant proof texts that these folks calling themselves Christians are nothing more than the physical descendants of the ten lost tribes? No problem. In First Keefa (Peter) chapter 2 verses 8-10 we see Peter quoting Hosea chapter One. The people who are a royal priesthood a chosen generation and a holy nation are identified by Keefa as nothing more than the former lo-ami and lo-ruhammah of Hosea chapter One! In verse 11 of First Keefa chapter 2, Peter says: You who are now New Covenant Priests and New Covenant Israel once were not a people (lo-ami) and had not obtained compassion and mercy (lo-ruhammah).But now through Yahshua you are restored to a people called ami and receiving ruhammah. This is a clear and direct reference attributing and labeling the body of Yahshua as containing much of the old northern kingdom of Ephraim returning because of Yahuwah's favor through the blood of Messiah.

Did Rav Shaul (Paul) also understand the re-gathering of the twelve tribes of Israel through Yahuwah's Son? Was he able to identify "Christians" in Rome as nothing more than the former House of Ephraim? You bet he did. In Romans chapter 9 verse 24 Rav Shaul states that Yahuwah calls Jews and Gentiles to make up His body as heirs of eternal life. Then in verse 25 of Romans 9 he quotes Hosea chapter One and identifies the born again redeemed Gentiles of his day as the Old Covenant House of Israel (Ephraim). He quotes the lo-ami passage of Hosea One and attributes this to "saved Gentiles". Verses 25 & 26 boldly declares this. Finally in verse 27 he puts the icing on the cake and declares that these "saved Gentiles" not only are the former house of Israel that became the "fullness of the Gentiles", but he even quotes Isaiah stating that out of the entire "sand of the sea" promise to Ephraim regarding physical multiplicity only a remnant of Israelites from all twelve tribes will be saved. Wow! Notice the transition and progression as the saved Gentiles of verse 24 in Romans 9 wind up being identified by Paul as the former house of Israel (ten tribes) spoken of by Isaiah, in the next two verses.

In Ephesians 2:11 Rav Shaul declares that those who got saved as Gentiles are no longer Gentiles! They have a new identity, and that identity is according to verse 12 a citizenship in the commonwealth of Israel. They are Israelites! You cannot be a citizen of a spiritual entity known as "the church" or any other spiritual entity. In order to be a physical citizen of the commonwealth of Massachusetts you have to be a physical being. In order for former Gentiles who by virtue of their acceptance of Messiah have become physical citizens of the house and commonwealth of Israel they must be and in fact are physical Israelites from a different side of the family than Messianic Jews. Verse 19 nails this down for us as Rav Shaul declares that these folks are no longer strangers to the house of Israel but fellow citizens. Citizenship always has been and always will be something on the physical plain. In Galatians 3:29 Rav Shaul refers to born again non Jews as the seed or sperma of Abraham. Now let me ask you an honest question! Does the Greek word for seed (sperma), from where we get the English word sperm, sound like something spiritual or something very physical? Therefore if you belong to Messiah through the new birth, regardless of who you think you are, you are Abraham's sperm! That's why verse 28 says there are no Jews, Greeks men or women there is only Abraham's physical seed that has been redeemed and should be known as new covenant Israel!

Further proof is found in Galatians 4:28 where Rav Shaul refers to non Jewish believers as being exactly like Isaac -- the heir of the physical promise of multiplicity. Was Isaac a physical being or just a spiritual being? He was a spirit-filled-and-led physical being! According to Rav Shaul, that is exactly who the non-Jewish believers are in the New Covenant! In First Corinthians 10:1 Rav Shaul reminds saved Ephraimites that they were once Gentiles, but not any longer. He reminds these non-Jewish Israelites that their fathers (Hebrews) who were led out of Egypt went through the Red Sea and eventually met the Rock (Messiah) just as they had (First Corinthians 10:1-4). In First Corinthians 5:7-8 we see these Ephraimite Israelites keeping Pesach! Only the people of Israel celebrate the Feasts Of Israel!

There are man-made teachings and teachers that place the word "spiritual" in front of the word "fathers" in First Corinthians 10:1 as well as Galatians 3:29 where they add the word "spiritual" before the word "seed", to make it seem as if Christians are only some kind of spiritual seed, or worse yet something called "spiritual Jews." May I remind these teachers that adding to the Word of Yahuwah is a capital offence punishable by death (Proverbs 30:5, Deut. 4:2, Deut.12:32, Rev 22:18). Apparently there are some who either do not understand this truth or who do understand it, but desire to continue to suppress it so that they can keep "saved Ephraimites" in perpetual second class adopted chains worshiping at the throne of Judaism instead of His Son. If non-Jewish believers were totally honest with themselves, most of them carry a deep desire and therefore inner jealousy to be Jewish. That jealousy either causes them to want to convert to any kind of Judaism, even those forms that force a recanting of faith in Yahshua's finished work, or historically the jealousy has and can still turn into raging hatred against the Jew they can never become. Those days are over! This is the day divinely decreed for the restoration of all things (Acts 3:20-21). When Ephraim begins to believe that they are part of physical Israel they will act like Israelites and return to Shabbat, kashrut, moedim, Zionism and aliyah, and will cease to be jealous of the Jews (Isaiah 11:12-14). According to these same verses the day is coming when Jews will recognize Ephraim as their physical brothers in much the same way that all Jacob's sons came to recognize Joseph in Egypt. They thought he was a Gentile and all the while Joseph was an Israelite. Whether Judah recognizes born-again non-Jews as Ephraim does not change the fact that they, like Joseph, are unrecognizable to their brothers. Yet still like Joseph, Ephraim is Joseph's son and Jacob's grandson and is in fact an Israelite experiencing the same lack of recognition that his father Joseph experienced in Egypt. Joseph knew them but they knew not Joseph. Today large segments of Ephraim recognizes chosen, born-again Judah, yet Judah cannot and often will not recognize born-again Ephraim! Yahuwah declares that this vexation of Ephraim by Judah will come to an end through Messiah (Isaiah 11:13-14), when He gathers the outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah from all the earth. Notice how Judah was never outcast like Ephraim, only dispersed.

In Yochanan 10:16 Yahshua said "other sheep I have which are not of this fold. I have to bring them in as well. And they shall hear my voice and there shall be one flock and one shepherd". Notice that Yahshua had another Israelite flock that were still His fold even before He died and arose again. He did not say that he will create a new and separate fold called "the church" made up of pagans with separate practices replacing Torah sometime after His resurrection. He said that He already had two folds -- that He was sent to bring them in, and they will become one flock or one united house.

John (Yochanan) knew the same truth by virtue of his writings in Yochanan (11:49-52). John stated that when Ciaphas prophesied that it was good that Yahshua was dying for Judah, John added that Ciaphas was prophesying that Yahshua would not only die for that nation (Judah), but also the former house of Israel that were scattered abroad 721 years prior to Yahshua's birth! We know this is a reference to the House of Israel (ten tribes) since he calls them a nation (physical people), as well as children of Elohim! They were called children of Israel because Elohim is the Elohim of Israel and they were Israel or children of Elohim even before Yahshua went to the tree of Korban! Notice that the Father's' revealed plan in verse 52 of chapter 11 of John is to gather both nations or houses into one. Even at the time of Yahshua, people's eyes and hearts were being opened to the truth about the family feud perpetuated by Jacob widened by Jeroboam and Rehoboam and in the last two millennia inflamed by the Church vs. Jewish battle royal over the title of who is Israel! The question is fully answered when one realizes that there is only one people of Israel with one Elohim of Israel and one Messiah of Israel and one Torah of Israel and that both houses need to follow the same blueprint for the restoration of all Israel on a level playing field of common ground. Only with the full understanding of the divided two houses of Israel, will the hatred, bitterness, pride and arrogance of Christendom and Judaism towards each other come to a quick and deserving death. Any other solution to the Church vs. Jewish debate will result in more misunderstanding between brethren and the perpetuation of the family feud started by Jacob splitting the birthright between Ephraim and Judah though both were physical and spiritual Israel.

It is comforting to note that according to Isaiah 49 verses 1-6 the Messiah is promised to all Israel and is even referred to as Israel, since Israel's restoration is the personification and primary purpose of His mission. Hosea 11:1 also calls The Messiah, Israel! In Isaiah 49 verse six, we see the Father asking Him if He is prepared to raise up the twelve tribes of Israel by bringing back into the fold those who, though scattered and lost as a nation, would be individually preserved in and amongst the Gentiles in the four corners of the earth for the Messiah's ministry. He did come. He did go looking for preserved individuals physically descended from Ephraim and Judah and has in fact restored these preserved ones. Though these preserved ones may not know who they are, though they may look, act, smell, behave and conduct themselves with all of their father Jeroboam's filthy ways, our Messiah knew where to locate them. He has located them and He has brought them back to the fold on an individual basis not a national basis, as of yet. Interestingly enough the Hebrew word for preserved ones in Isaiah 49:6 is Notzrim or Nazarenes, which is the modern Hebrew word for Christians. It is these preserved born again Ephraimites that would be re-gathered in to the rebuilt Tabernacle of David and would return to the fold of Israel as Nazarenes. Let us recall that the entire early Messianic communities were known as The Nazarenes (Acts 24:5), the preserved ones of returning repentant Israel!



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el kabong wrote:The Land of Israel
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Level: Basic
• Israel is the land promised to Abraham in the Bible
• Israel is central to the Jewish religion
• Zionism is a political movement to establish a Jewish homeland
• Israel is a democratic country
• Israel is home to more than 1/3 of the world's Jews
• 20% of Israel's citizens are not Jewish

The Promised Land


The history of the Jewish people begins with Abraham, and the story of Abraham begins when G-d tells him to leave his homeland, promising Abraham and his descendants a new home in the land of Canaan. (Gen. 12). This is the land now known as Israel, named after Abraham's grandson, whose descendants are the Jewish people. The land is often referred to as the Promised Land because of G-d's repeated promise (Gen. 12:7, 13:15, 15:18, 17:Cool to give the land to the descendants of Abraham.

The land is described repeatedly in the Torah as a good land and "a land flowing with milk and honey" (e.g., Ex. 3:Cool. This description may not seem to fit well with the desert images we see on the nightly news, but let's keep in mind that the land was repeatedly abused by conquerors who were determined to make the land uninhabitable for the Jews. In the few decades since the Jewish people regained control of the land, we have seen a tremendous improvement in its agriculture. Israeli agriculture today has a very high yield.

Jews have lived in this land continuously from the time of its original conquest by Joshua more than 3200 years ago until the present day, though Jews were not always in political control of the land, and Jews were not always the majority of the land's population.

The land of Israel is central to Judaism. A substantial portion of Jewish law is tied to the land of Israel, and can only be performed there. Some rabbis have declared that it is a mitzvah (commandment) to take possession of Israel and to live in it (relying on Num. 33:53). The Talmud indicates that the land itself is so holy that merely walking in it can gain you a place in the World to Come. Prayers for a return to Israel and Jerusalem are included in daily prayers as well as many holiday observances and special events.

Living outside of Israel is viewed as an unnatural state for a Jew. The world outside of Israel is often referred to as "galut," which is usually translated as "diaspora" (dispersion), but a more literal translation would be "exile" or "captivity." When we live outside of Israel, we are living in exile from our land.

Jews were exiled from the land of Israel by the Romans in 135 C.E., after they defeated the Jews in a three-year war, and Jews did not have any control over the land again until 1948 C.E.

Zionism and the Formation of the State of Israel
The Jewish people never gave up hope that we would someday return to our home in Israel. That hope is expressed in the song Ha-Tikvah (The Hope), the anthem of the Zionist movement and the state of Israel.
Kol od baleivav p'nima
Nefesh Y'hudi homiya
Ul'fa-atey mizrach kadima
Ayin L'Tziyon tzofiya
Od lo avda tikvateynu
Hatikva bat sh'not alpayim
Lih'yot am chofshi b'artzenu
Eretz Tziyon v'yirushalayim.
Lih'yot am chofshi b'artzenu
Eretz Tziyon v'yirushalayim.

As long as deep within the heart
The Jewish soul is warm
And toward the edges of the east
An eye to Zion looks
Our hope is not yet lost,
The hope of two thousand years
To be a free people in our own land
In the land of Zion and Jerusalem.
To be a free people in our own land
In the land of Zion and Jerusalem.



But for a long time, this desire for our homeland was merely a vague hope without any concrete plans to achieve it. In the late 1800s, Theodor Herzl and Chaim Weizmann founded Zionism, a political movement dedicated to the creation of a Jewish state. They saw a state of Israel as a necessary refuge for Jewish victims of oppression, especially in Russia, where pogroms were decimating the Jewish population.

The name "Zionism" comes from the word "Zion," which was the name of a stronghold in Jerusalem. Over time, the term "Zion" came to be applied to Jerusalem in general, and later to the Jewish idea of utopia.

Zionism was not a religious movement; it was a primarily political. The early Zionists sought to establish a secular state of Israel, recognized by the world, through purely legal means. Theodor Herzl, for example, was a completely assimilated secular Jewish journalist. He felt little attachment to his Jewish heritage until he covered the trial of Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish captain in the French military who was (unjustly) convicted of passing secrets to Germany. The charges against Dreyfus brought out a wave of anti-Jewish sentiment that shocked Herzl into realizing the need for a Jewish state. Early Zionists were so desperate for a refuge at one point that they actually considered a proposal to create a Jewish homeland in Uganda. Alaska and Siberia were also discussed. But the only land that truly inspired Jewish people worldwide was our ancient homeland, at that time a part of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire known as Palestine.

During World War I, the Zionist cause gained some degree of support from Great Britain. In a 1917 letter from British foreign secretary Lord Balfour to Jewish financier Lord Rothschild, the British government expressed a commitment to creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This letter is commonly known as the Balfour Declaration. Unfortunately, the British were speaking out of both sides of their mouth, simultaneously promising Arabs their freedom if they helped to defeat the Ottoman Empire, which at that time controlled most of the Middle East (including the modern states of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq, as well as significant portions of Saudi Arabia and northern Africa). The British promised the Arabs that they would limit Jewish settlement in Palestine mere months after the Balfour Declaration expressed support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."

After World War I, Palestine was assigned to the United Kingdom as a mandated territory by the newly-formed League of Nations. The Palestinian Mandate initially included the lands that are now Israel and Jordan, but all lands east of the Jordan River were later placed into a separate mandate known as Transjordan (now the nation of Jordan). The document creating the Palestinian mandate incorporated the terms of the Balfour Declaration, promising the creation of a national Jewish homeland within the mandated territory. Many Arab leaders were initially willing to give Palestine to the Jews if the rest of the Arab lands in the Middle East were under Arab control. However, the Arabs living in Palestine vigorously opposed Jewish immigration into the territory and the idea of a Jewish homeland. It is around this time that the idea of Palestinian nationality (distinct from Arab nationality generally) first begins to appear. There were many riots in the territory, and the British came to believe that the conflicting claims were irreconcilable. In 1937, the British recommended partition of the territory.

The Holocaust brought the need for a Jewish homeland into sharp focus for both Jews and for the rest of the world. The Jews who tried to flee Nazi Germany were often turned back due to immigration limitations at the borders of every country, including the United States, Britain and Palestine. Many of those who were sent back to Germany ended up in death camps where they were systematically murdered.

The British were unable to come up with a solution that would satisfy either Arabs or Jews, so in 1947, they handed the problem to the newly-founded United Nations, which developed a partition plan dividing Palestine into Jewish and Arab portions. The plan was ratified in November 1947. The mandate expired on May 14, 1948 and British troops pulled out of Palestine. The Jews of Palestine promptly declared the creation of the State of Israel, which was recognized by several Western countries immediately.

However, the surrounding Arab nations did not recognize the validity of Israel and invaded, claiming that they were filling a vacuum created by the termination of the mandate and the absence of any legal authority to replace it. The Arabs fought a year-long war to drive the Jews out. Miraculously, the new state of Israel won this war, as well as every subsequent Arab-Israeli war, gaining territory every time the Arabs attacked them.

Israel Today
Today, approximately five million Jews, more than a third of the world's Jewish population, live in the land of Israel. Jews make up more than eighty percent of the population of the land, and Jews are in political control of the land, though non-Jews who become citizens of Israel have the same legal rights as Jewish citizens of Israel. In fact, there are a few Arab members of the Knesset (the Israeli parliament).

About half of all Israelis are Mizrachim, descended from Jews who have been in the land since ancient times or who were forced out of Arab countries after Israel was founded. Most of the rest are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who fled persecution in Eastern Europe starting in the late 1800s, from Holocaust survivors, or from other immigrants who came at various times. About 1% of the Israeli population are the black Ethiopian Jews who fled during the brutal Ethiopian famine in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Jews continue to immigrate to Israel in large numbers. Immigration to Israel is referred to as aliyah (literally, ascension). Under Israel's Law of Return, any Jew who has not renounced the Jewish faith (by converting to another religion) can automatically become an Israeli citizen, somewhat similar to the way Ireland gives automatic citizenship to second or third generation descendants of Irish citizens. Gentiles may also become citizens of Israel after undergoing a standard naturalization process, much like the one required to become a United States citizen.

Israel is governed by a legislative body called the Knesset (literally, "Assembly"), made up of 120 members. Under the Israeli electoral system, each party presents a list of candidates, and voters vote for the list rather than for individual candidates. The party receives a number of seats proportional to the number of votes it received, thus a party getting 10% of the vote will get 10% of the available seats. As a result, no Israeli party ever has a majority of the seats in the Knesset, and governmental business is conducted by coalition building. This system can give minority groups a significant amount of power, because their support may be needed to gain a majority. Israel also has a president, elected by the Knesset, and a Prime Minister, formerly elected directly but this system is in flux.

Most Jews today support the existence of the state of Israel, though not necessarily all of the policies of its government (as one would expect in any democracy). There are a small number of secular Jews who are anti-Zionist. There is also a very small group of right-wing Orthodox Jews who object to the existence of the state of Israel, maintaining that it is a sin for us to create a Jewish state when the messiah has not yet come. However, this viewpoint does not reflect the mainstream opinion of Orthodoxy. Most Orthodox Jews support the existence of the state of Israel as a homeland, even though it is not the theological state of Israel that will be brought about by the messiah.

Israel Links
This page barely scratches the surface of all there is to say about Israel and Zionism. There are entire sites devoted to these subjects. Here are a few that are worth checking out:

For an interesting perspective on the situation in Israel today, check out The Long Road to the Promised Land, a blog written by Gunter David. Gunter is a retired American journalist who grew up in the land that is now Israel before Israel became a state. His wife's family was in that land for four generations, and both of them have family in Israel. It hasn't been updated in quite some time, but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

Virtual Jerusalem is a great place to start your search for information about Israel. The site is based in Israel, and has lots of useful information, including Israeli news, travel information, information about making aliyah, and lots of great links.

You can also find a lot of useful information and links in Shamash's Israel section.

If you are interested in the history of Zionism, you may want to read the founding treatise on the subject, Theodor Herzl's The Jewish State, which you can buy from amazon.com by clicking the title above.



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el kabong wrote:http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
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We are sometimes missing an awareness of the significance of the life that we live. We sometimes live with no awareness of our position and no understanding of what is really taking place in our lives. The Jew always knew that he could escape his fate by uttering one word, yet he refused to do it. We must be aware of this heroism, that we accepted our suffering out of love and longing for God. The Jew knows this, yet sometimes he does not know that he knows it.

Rihal teaches us that the suffering of the Jews in exile was a sacrifice for the sake of the Torah. It was a life of martyrdom, the highest level exalted by the Christians and Moslems. Rihal reiterated the principle (2:34, 4:22) that many of the values extolled in Christian and Moslem theology are Jewish values that were fulfilled by the Jewish people. The most obvious example is the section in Yishayahu (52:13-53-12) that speaks of the suffering servant of God. God's suffering servant is actually the Jewish people. The Christians applied this section to their Messiah. Rihal restores the section to its authentic meaning.."


Rihal fought against a phenomenon that can be termed stolen identity. The phenomenon has many levels. Christianity claimed to be the true Israel. Islam claimed that the Koran is the authentic holy writ. Our return to the land of Israel was accompanied by a similar process. The Palestinian charter is a reworking of the principles of Zionism.

Despite this re-evaluation of suffering, there is no doubt that it is impossible to discuss history without also speaking from the perspective of chapter 42 of Job. Judaism believes that redemption is assured. It is not possible that God will suffer evil forever. However, we are discussing reality from the perspective of an earlier chapter. We don't have the perspective of the ending. Our generation must view itself as fortunate because we can read the first few verses of the final chapter, the first glimmerings of redemption. We see the course of history changing. Rihal, in contrast, lived at a low point of Jewish history, when the Christians and the Moslems were at the height of their power. Each ruled over half the world and claimed that their success was an expression of divine blessing. Judaism is Job's great gamble against his friends. It is the gamble of the sufferer when redemption is beyond the scope of his horizon. The response of Job/the Jewish people is "Even if He kills me, I still hope to Him" (13:15), and at the same time, "I will wait for [Messiah's] arrival every day."
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Israel has endured for more then 3,000 years, the 1,000 year reich lasted 13 years. thumbs up

Middle East News and Reference

http://www.mideastweb.org/


Zionism & Israel Information Center

http://www.zionism-israel.com/

The word Zion/Tsiyon has 3 aspects of meaning: Spiritual, Geographical and Political. thumbs up

1: Spiritual:

http://www.mashiyach.com/kingdom/kingdom.htm

Mashiyach/Yahshua/Jesus teaches us that whoever wants to be "the greatest" in his Kingdom would be the servant of all. Being a "servant of all" means that a leader opens himself to be used by the Father to reach out to whomever He desires, as opposed to having a his or her own "little flock". The Kingdom of Elohim is represented by Tsiyon (pronounced Tsee-yone or Zion in English), a literal place in Jerusalem, that symbolizes a spiritual place, the seat of Mashiyach's government on this earth. Originally Zion was a small location in Jerusalem, then it became a code name for the whole city of Jerusalem.



For it is said in the Scripture, “Behold, in Tsiyon I lay a chosen and precious stone for the head of the corner; and whoever believes in him will not be ashamed.” On you therefore who believe is this honor conferred: but to them who do not believe “he is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” And they stumble at it because they believe not the Word from where they were appointed. But you are an elect race, officiating as priests of the Kingdom; a Set Apart people, a redeemed congregation; that you should proclaim the praises of him who called you out of darkness to his precious light: who formerly were not counted as a people but now are the people of Elohim; and also, there were (once) no mercies on you but now mercies are poured out upon you. My beloved, I entreat you as strangers and pilgrims, separate yourselves from all lusts of the body, for they war against the soul. And let your behavior be honorable before all men; so that they who utter evil speeches against you, may see your good actions and may praise Elohim in the day of trial. And be submissive to all the sons of men, for Elohim’s sake; to kings, on account of their authority; and to judges because they are sent by him for the punishment of offenders, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of Elohim, that by your good deeds you may stop the mouth of the foolish who do not know Elohim: As free men, you are not like men who make their freedom a cloak for their wickedness, but as the servants of Elohim. 1 Peter 2:6-16




Throughout Scripture we read of a Kingdom that is not of this earth, but it is shaped from the pattern that is in Heaven. The tabernacle in the wilderness was built according to the specifications that YHWH gave to Moses and within that tabernacle, each of the physical elements are symbols of the spiritual or heavenly Kingdom. It is also interesting to note that Zion is mentioned in 153 verses in the Tanakh... this is the same number of fish the disciples caught in John 21:11. The symbolism is clear, Yeshua taught his disciples how to build the Kingdom of Heaven, as opposed to a religion "about" the Kingdom of Heaven, a very big difference.



We are being trained to know what Tsiyon is, and what it is not. No religion or people's groups have exclusive rights to Tsiyon, it belongs to the people of Mashiyach regardless of religion, race, color or creed. The Government of Tsiyon is on the shoulder of Mashiyach. Mashiyach is returning to the Mount of Olives from whence he departed, but this time round Scripture tells us he will be Mashiyach Ben David a much different scenario than when he first came to earth.



There is the Israel of Elohim (spiritual) and there is the other kingdom of Israel of the flesh. Not all who are Israel of the flesh are the Israel of Elohim. If we can look at Jews, Christians or Muslims without judging them by their religion or race, then we are getting closer to ZION, as how it is revealed in Mashiyach. The Kingdom of Elohim is a government, NOT a religion.



Tsiyon is also the place in our neshama (spirit) where we connect with Mashiyach where our heart receives and gives love for all of Creation, where we can see all others through the eyes of Mashiyach and carry no prejudice towards anyone. The Kingdom is within us, it is not an external government or religion. Over the centuries there have been many Zionist movements who entrapped adherents into a nationalistic or global vision not of spiritual Zion but simply another ploy to gain control and power through labor, politics, wealth and strategies for power. The oligarchs of have big designs on greater and greater world dictatorial power which they borrowed from Nimrod, the original representative of anti-Messiah and anti-Zion.



Today there are Christian Zionists who love the Jewish people and support the land of Israel, a Zionism on a practical and natural level benefitng Jews and Christians according to the Covenant of Faith YHWH gave to Avraham. However the majority of Christendom is anti-Zionist, nurtured by replacement theology and dispensationalism and therefore anti-Zionist when it comes to the Kingdom of Elohim. Christians tend to be partisan, biased and dualistic towards Judaism and Islam which is viewed as a competitive religion. Christians see themselves as exclusive inheritors of the promises, they don't see a future for Jews or Muslims except wrath of the Almighty YHWH for them not converting to Christianity. Most Muslims have the same partisan thinking as Christians and view Christians and all other non-Muslims as infidels. Jews don't view Christians and Muslims going off to burning eternal hell, but rather that each individual is judged on the merits of their lifestyle choices regardless of religious persuasion. In other words we are judged by how we live, more than by which religious affiliation we are part of, this is more consistent with a universal Government that operates outside of a religion.



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2: Geographical: Jerusalem from Mt. Zion.

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3: Political Zionism & Israel Information Center
http://www.zionism-israel.com/

Why is Zionism Controversial?
Many peoples have had movements of national liberation.

Is Zionism different?
About Zionism
What is Zionism?
Zionism is the political movement that is implementing the national liberation of the Jewish people. It is based on the assertion that the Jewish people, like any other people, has the right to self-determination; Jews have a right to a national home in their historic homeland. Zionism has made a reality of the "impossible" project of restoration of the Jewish people to our homeland, after nearly 2,000 years of exile. The work of Zionism is far from complete, however.

Zionism has always been a part of Judaism
The ideological and cultural foundations of Zionism have always been present in Jewish tradition. Jews always thought of themselves as a nation or people. The concept of "am Yisrael" - the "people of Israel" or "nation of Israel," has been inherent in Jewish culture from ancient times. Jewish cultural and religious life always centered around the land of Israel. This did not change during two millennia of dispersion.

History of Zionism
The modern ideological expression of Zionism began to take shape in the nineteenth century. Jews freed from the ghetto found that they could not, or did not want to, assimilate and lose their Jewishness, while at the same time, they could be part of a medieval religion whose time had passed. They came to the understanding that Jews are a people as well as a religion, and made explicit what had been implicit in Jewish culture. Various thinkers such as Moses Hess and Leon Pinsker wrote the first real Zionist ideological manifestos, and the Chovevei Tzion and BILU groups organized Zionist immigration to the land of Israel on a small scale.

Zionism becomes a political movement
Zionism became a political movement with the first Zionist congress in 1897, organized by Theodor Herzl. The conference turned an intellectual "movement," scattered around Europe, into a political force, and provided a clear goal: the achievement of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine, guaranteed by international law. Beyond this symbolic step, the conference was in reality a rather modest milestone. Without the support of the Jewish masses and rich financiers, it was hard for Zionism to show great concrete achievements. Without such achievements, it was hard for Zionism to win the support of the Jewish masses for a project that seemed hopeless and Quixotic. Tenacity, gradualism, pragmatism, courage and daring leveraged the tiny, gradually accumulated achievements of Zionism from a few people in a conference hall to a movement, from a movement in Europe to Jewish settlement in the land of Israel, from a few settlements to the British mandate, from the mandate to a Jewish state.

Zionism achieves a first goal
The first stage on the way to attaining a Jewish national home was the Balfour Declaration, secured for the Zionist organization through the efforts of Chaim Weizmann and others. In it, the British government promised to support the creation of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. When the Balfour declaration was incorporated in the League of Nations mandate for Palestine in 1922, it became international law. The United Nations inherited the obligations of the League of nations. Therefore, the state of Israel is the result of a promise backed by international law, and not an "illegal entity" as anti-Zionists claim.

Zionism creates the State of Israel
An important tenet of Zionism was the understanding that the Jews of Europe were in danger, that Anti-Semitism would continue to rise and become increasingly virulent. Therefore, Zionists understood that there was some urgency about their work. Most of the world, and most of the Jews of the world, did not understand the urgency until after the rise of Nazism, when it was too late. Not even the Zionists could imagine the horrors of the Holocaust however.

The Arabs of Palestine, led by the Nazi Grand Mufti Hajj Amin Al Husseini, agitated against Jewish immigration and began a revolt in 1936. The revolt was evidently funded and supported by the axis powers in order to fight the British. The British reneged on their promise to create a national home for the Jews in Palestine, and shut the gates of Palestine to Jewish immigration in 1939 with the White Paper. The Zionist leadership despaired of the British and in 1942, when they thought it was still possible to save some of the Jews of Europe, they adopted the Biltmore Program, calling for an independent Jewish state.

After World War II, it was discovered that the Nazis had murdered six million Jews, virtually all the Jews of Europe. A tiny remnant remained and wanted to immigrate to Palestine, but the British would not allow it. The Jews turned against the British and using guerilla warfare, forced them to relinquish their hold on Palestine, which was partitioned by UN General Assembly Resolution 181 into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Arabs did not accept the decision of the UN. Open warfare broke out. After the Declaration of Independence of the State of Israel on May 15, 1948, neighboring Arab countries invaded the new state. 600,000 Jews fought off the armies of four Arab states, backed by others who had declared war, but did not send troops, in the Israel War of Independence. The creation of the state did not end the mission of Zionism, since the new Jewish state was surrounded by enemies and since most Jews still did not live in Israel.

For a detailed history of Zionism, see History of Zionism

Achievements of Zionism - Zionism is the ideological success story of the twentieth century, overcoming seemingly insuperable obstacles to realize an impossible dream. The story of Zionism challenges the imagination. Zionism revived a dying people and brought them back to their land. Zionism changed the image of the land and of the people.

Zionism in Israel - Zionism brought water to a thirsty country. The Israel national water carrier pumps more water in a day than was consumed in all of Palestine in 1948. Thanks to Zionism, glass and steel towers rose from sand dunes; the forgotten and disease ridden armpit of the Ottoman Empire became the most technologically advanced society in the Middle East, where both Arabs and Jews enjoy a higher standard of living than anywhere else in the Middle East, except the petroleum sheikhdoms, the highest literacy rates in the Middle East, and the lowest infant mortality. Zionism benefited Jews and Arabs. The average Israeli Arab enjoys a higher standard of living than the average citizen of oil-rich Saudi Arabia.

Zionist Revolution - Zionism was more than a political movement to obtain a homeland for the Jewish people. Zionism proposed, and carried out, a revolution within Jewish thought and culture. Zionism gave a new life to the ancient Hebrew language. Zionism changed the image of the Jewish people. Thanks to Zionism, merchants and students and peddlers came out of the ghetto to become Jewish mechanics, Jewish farmers, Jewish engineers and Jewish soldiers. Zionism made the "impossible" into reality. Zionism ended "the longest occupation in history" - the occupation of the land of Israel.

Benefits of Zionism - Zionism benefited Diaspora Jews as well as those living in Israel, Zionists and anti-Zionists, because it gave a different meaning to the reviled word "Jew." Zionism helped to save people and salvage the vestiges of the dignity and honor of the Jewish people in the Holocaust, bringing boatloads of immigrants to Mandate Palestine in the "illegal" immigration, sending parachutists behind enemy lines to save Jews and help the allied war effort, and leading ghetto revolts and partisan groups. By creating and defending the state of Israel, Zionism ended the 2,000 year nightmare during which Jews were despised and persecuted by almost every nation in the world, through no fault of our own.


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Anti- Zionism
What is anti-Zionism?
The basic premise of Zionism is that Jews have the same rights to nationhood as any other people. Anti-Zionism is based on the racist thesis that Jews are somehow different.

Zionism is opposed by a variety of groups:

Jewish anti-Zionism
Jewish religious anti-Zionism arose out of fear that a secular ideology would supplant religion as the mainstay of Judaism and a phobia of change. Jews had "always" lived in ghettos in the Diaspora, and therefore Jews must continue the tradition, according to religious anti-Zionists. Anti-Zionist ultra-orthodox Jews like the Neturei Karta regularly meet with and praise anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers like Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, agreeing with him that the Holocaust was exaggerated, and lending "legitimacy" to anti-Semitic myths. In practise, anti-Zionist Jews tend toward paradoxical Anti-Semitism. Assimilationist Jews were afraid that Zionism, with its insistence on Jewish nationhood, would hinder acceptance of Jews as equals in European nation-states. Marxist Jews and non-Jews opposed Zionism as a "reactionary" nationalist tendency, but later, paradoxically, came to support every "national liberation movement" except Zionism.

Anti-Semitism, Marxism and anti-Zionism
The largest recruiting base for Anti-Zionism is simple racist anti-Semitism. Neo-Marxist radicals denounce Zionism as racism, starting from the premise that Zionism was a colonialist movement, and that all colonialism is racism. The notion that Zionism is racism was probably spawned by the Soviet doctrine of "Zionology," an anti-Semitic ideological invention that was aimed as much at bolstering state-sponsored anti-Semitism as it was intended to support the anti-Israel policies of the Soviet government.

Arab anti-Zionism
Most Arabs oppose Zionism because they believe that the entire Middle East belongs to them, and they encouraged the development of an opposing Palestinian (Arab) national identity. The creation of a Jewish national home and later, of the state of Israel, was increasingly opposed by the Arab states, and by the Arabs of Palestine.

Muslim and Islamist anti-Zionism
Most Muslims oppose Zionism and the existence of Israel, for different reasons. Some believe that all land that was once part of the Muslim territory (Dar al-Islam) must remain Muslim. For that reason, those opposed to Zionism sometimes also want to retake al Andalus (Spain). Some associate Zionism with the Christian Crusades, which conquered Palestine briefly and were viewed as an intrusion and an insult. Many Muslim leaders are afraid of Western ideas of progress and human rights, such as equality for women and homosexuals, that are transmitted through Zionism, as well as scientific doctrines that they view as pernicious such as evolution.

Anti-Zionism today
Current attitudes to Zionism, and the current image of Zionism, are influenced by the Israeli occupation of lands conquered in the Six day War, including the Golan Heights and the West Bank (Judea and Samaria). Anti-Zionism often insists that Zionism is identical with "Greater Israel" and "Likud" ideology, though Israel has repeatedly offered to withdraw from conquered territories in return for peace, and most Zionists support a two state solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Some advocates of the Arab cause insist that the conflict began in 1967. However, Arab opposition to Jewish presence and settlement in Palestine began long before the creation of the Jewish State in 1948, and violent attacks on Israel are still initiated from Gaza, though Israel, under Likud party leadership, withdrew from Gaza.

False claims of anti-Zionism
Contrary to the claims of anti-Zionists, Zionism did not seek to set up a "Jewish exclusivist" state in the land of Israel, or plot to expel the Arabs of Palestine, nor was Zionism ever a militaristic, fascist type movement, though there were militaristic Zionists. Zionism was a non-militaristic movement in its foundation, rather pacifist in orientation. Early Zionists ignored the claims of Arab nationalism, because there was no Arab nationalism evident in the land of Israel, and because of their own ignorance of actual conditions in the land. Beginning about 1905, Zionists took cognizance of Arab nationalism, but usually assumed that Zionism and Arab nationalism could work together, and that Zionism could benefit the Arabs of Palestine. Theodor Herzl's utopia, Altneuland, described the future Jewish state as a multipluralistic democracy where Jews and Arabs lived as equals.

The enemies of Zionism tend to identify "Zionism" with the worst and most unfortunate acts of misguided extremists. They insist that Zionism is racism, and accuse Zionism of crimes ranging to deliberately planning to expel the Arabs to instigating the French Revolution. They often paint all Zionists as religious fanatics from Brooklyn intent on rebuilding the third temple, murdering or expelling the Arabs of Palestine and creating a "Jewish exclusivist" state that encompasses huge areas of the Middle East. They depict Zionism as a "pernicious plot" that controls European and American governments, just as anti-Semites depicted Jews as plotting to subvert governments and achieve world domination. They insist, nonetheless, that they are not anti-Semitic, though they deny the right of the Jews to self-determination
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The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nationalism an d Islamic Jihad
http://media0.terrorismawareness.org/files/NaziRoots.pdf

The Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazis
The ideology of the Islamists whose ranks today include not only
al-Qaeda but also Hamas and Hezbollah -- originated with Egypt’s
Muslim Brotherhood (al- khwan al- uslimoon) I m founded in 1928 by
Sheikh Hassan al-Banna.2 And the Muslim Brotherhood finds not
just its roots, but much of its symbolism, terminology, and political
priorities deep within the heart of Nazi fascism.
Hassan al-Banna (1906 - 1949) was born into the family of a poor
watchmaker in southern Egypt. As a child, he was attracted to the
extremist and xenophobic aspects of Islam which were hostile to
Western secularism and to its system of rights, particularly women’s
The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nati ona lism an d Islamic Jihad / rights. While still in his teens, the young al-Banna and friends (they
referred to each other as ‘brethren’) met frequently to discuss the
situation in the Middle East, to argue about the ills of Arab society,
and to lament the decline of Islam. Their angst was in large part
a reaction to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the end of the
Muslim Caliphate, the British occupation of Egypt, and the resulting
exposure of Arab society to Western values.
For al-Banna, as for many other Muslims worldwide, the end of
the caliphate, although brought about by secular Muslim Turks, was a
sacrilege against Islam for which they blamed the non-Muslim West.
It was to strike back against these evils that al-Banna founded the
Muslim Brotherhood in 1928. It began as a kind of youth club where
the members preached, to anyone who would listen, about the need
for moral reform in the Arab world. But al-Banna’s antipathy towards
Western modernity soon moved him to shape the Brotherhood into
an organization seeking to check the secularist tendencies in Muslim
society by asserting a return to ancient and traditional Islamic
values. Al-Banna recruited followers from a vast cross-section of
Egyptian society by addressing issues such as colonialism, public
health, educational policy, natural resources management, social
inequalities, Arab nationalism, the weakness of the Islamic world
and the growing conflict in Palestine. Among the perspectives he
drew on to address these issues were the anti-capitalist doctrines of
European Marxism and especially fascism.
As the group expanded during the 1930’s and extended its activities
well beyond its original religious revivalism, al-Banna began
dreaming a greater Muslim dream: the restoration of the Caliphate.
And it was this dream, which he believed could only become a reality
by the sword, that won the hearts and minds of a growing legion of
followers. Al-Banna would describe, in inflammatory speeches, the
horrors of hell expected for heretics, and consequently, the need for
Muslims to return to their purest religious roots, re-establish the
Caliphate, and resume the great and final holy war, or jihad, against
the non-Muslim world.
The first big step on the path to the international jihad al-Banna
envisioned came in the form of trans-national terrorism during “The
The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nati ona lism an d Islamic Jihad /
Great Arab Revolt” of 1936-9, when one of the most famous of the
Muslim Brotherhood’s leaders, the Hajj Amin al-Husseini, Grand
Mufti (Supreme Muslim religious leader) of Jerusalem, incited his
followers to a three-year war against the Jews in Palestine and the
British who administered the Mandate. In 1936 the Brotherhood had
about 800 members, but by 1938, just two years into the “Revolt,”
its membership had grown to almost 200,000, with fifty branches in
Egypt alone. The organization established mosques, schools, sport
clubs, factories and a welfare service network. By the end of the
1930’s there were more than a half million active members registered,
in more than two thousand branches across the Arab world. In
British Mandatory Palestine alone there were 38 branches under the
leadership of the Hajj.
To achieve that broader dream of a global jihad, the Brotherhood
developed a network of underground cells, stole weapons, trained
fighters, formed secret assassination squads, founded sleeper cells of
subversive supporters in the ranks of the army and police, and waited
for the order to go public with terrorism, assassinations, and suicide
missions.3
It was during this time that the Muslim Brotherhood found a soul
mate in Nazi Germany. The Reich offered great power connections to
the movement, but the relationship brokered by the Brotherhood was
more than a marriage of convenience. Long before the war, al-Banna
had developed an Islamic religious ideology which previewed Hitler’s
Nazism. Both movements sought world conquest and domination.
Both were triumphalist and supremacist: in Nazism the Aryan
must rule, while in al-Banna’s Islam, the Muslim religion must hold
dominion. Both advocated subordination of the individual to a folkish
central power. Both were explicitly anti-nationalist in the sense that
they believed in the liquidation of the nation-state in favor of a
trans-national unifying community: in Islam the umma (community
of all believers); and in Nazism the herrenvolk (master race). Both
worshipped the unifying totalitarian figure of the Caliph or Führer.
And both rabidly hated the Jews and sought their destruction.
As the Brotherhood’s political and military alliance with Nazi
Germany developed, these parallels facilitated practical interactions
The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nati ona lism an d Islamic Jihad / that created a full-blown alliance, with all the pomp and panoply of
formal state visits, de facto ambassadors, and overt as well as sub
rosa joint ventures. Al-Banna’s followers easily transplanted into the
Arab world a newly Nazified form of traditional Muslim Jew-hatred,
with Arab translations of Mein Kampf (translated into Arabic as “My
Jihad”) and other Nazi anti-Semitic works, including Der Sturmer
hate-cartoons, adapted to portray the Jew as the demonic enemy of
Allah.4
When the Second World War broke out, Al-Banna worked to
firm up a formal alliance with Hitler and Mussolini. He sent them
letters and emissaries, and urged them to assist him in his struggle
against the British and the westernized regime of King Farouk.
The Intelligence Service of the Muslim Brotherhood vigorously
collected information on the heads of the regime in Cairo and on
the movements of the British army, offering this and more to the
Germans in return for closer relations.
Enter the Palestinians
But the single best known and most active Nazi sympathizer in the
Muslim Brotherhood was not al-Banna himself, but the Hajj Amin
al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and one-time President of
the Supreme Muslim Council of Palestine. As one commentator has
noted, to understand the Hajj’s influence on the Middle East in the
1930s and 40s is to understand the ongoing genocidal program of the
Arab terrorist organizations warring against the Jews of Israel today.
The Grand Mufti was a bridge figure in terms of transplanting the
Nazi genocide in Europe into the post-war Middle East and creating
a fascist heritage for the Palestinian national movement.5
Something of a child prodigy, Amin al-Husseini was born into
the rich and influential clan of the Husseinis in 1895. He became
a powerful anti-Jewish agitator and rabble rouser while still in his
early 20’s, and then suddenly, by fiat, he was chosen as the Grand
Mufti of Jerusalem at the age of 27. It was an unlikely occurrence:
A mufti is an elected religious leader with great spiritual status
and influence. When Jerusalem’s preceding Mufti, Kamel al-
The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nati ona lism an d Islamic Jihad /
Husseini, died in March of 1921, he should have been replaced by
the accepted Ottoman process whereby the Mufti was selected from
among three worthy and experienced candidates nominated by the
Muslim Council of Jerusalem. But figures in the British Mandatory
Government anxious to blunt the growing Zionism in the region,
elevated the Jew-hating al-Husseini to this role, although he had been
sentenced to ten years in prison for his role in inciting the anti-Jewish
riots of 1919 and 1920, in which scores of Jews in Jerusalem and
Jaffa were attacked, raped, and killed.
Al-Husseini used his office as a powerful bully pulpit from which
to preach anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, and (turning on his patrons) anti-
British vitriol. He was directly involved in the organization of the
1929 riots which destroyed the 3000-year-old Jewish community of
Hebron. And he was quick to see that he had a natural ally in Hitler
and in the rising star of Nazi Germany.
In the early 1930’s many Arabs in British Mandatory Palestine
looked for an alliance with Hitler as leverage against Britain, but
it was al-Husseini who enthusiastically led the way. As early as
spring 1933 , he assured the German consul in Jerusalem that “the
Muslims inside and outside Palestine welcome the new regime of
Germany and hope for the extension of the fascist, anti-democratic
governmental system to other countries.”6
The youth organization established by the Mufti used Nazi
emblems, names and uniforms. Germany reciprocated by setting up
scholarships for Arab students, hiring Arab apprentices at German
firms, and inviting Arab party leaders to the Nuremberg party
rallies and Arab military leaders to Wehrmacht maneuvers. Most
significantly, the German Propaganda Ministry developed strong
links with the Grand Mufti and with Arabic newspapers, creating
a propaganda legacy that would outlast Husseini, Hitler, and all the
other figures of World War II.
In September 1937, Adolf Eichmann and another SS officer
carried out an exploratory mission in the Middle East lasting several
weeks, and including a friendly productive visit with the Grand
Mufti. It was after that visit, in fact, that the Mufti went on the Nazi
payroll as an agent and propagandist.7
The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nati ona lism an d Islamic Jihad / 10 During the “Great Arab Revolt” of 1936-9, which al-Husseini
helped organize and which Germany funded, the swastika was used
as a mark of identity on Arabic leaflets and graffiti. Arab children
welcomed each other with the Hitler salute, and a sea of German
flags and pictures of Hitler were displayed at celebrations. The
identification was so strong that those bliged to travel through areas
involved in the Palestinian revolt soon learned that it was prudent
to attach a swastika to their vehicle to ward off attacks by Arab
snipers.8 The Grand Mufti declared certain zones in Palestine to
be “liberated” from the Jews and British; and he mandated Shari’a
- Islamic religious law. Christian as well as Muslim women were
forced to veil themselves. Opponents were liquidated.
By 1938, Husseini fielded some ten thousand fighters, an active
propaganda unit, and modern weapons, thanks in large part to Nazi
money and military assistance. But if the Mufti was ready for the
war that would soon engulf the world, so were the British. They sent
massive reinforcements to put down the revolt. Al-Husseini fled to
Lebanon, still under French rule, before he could be arrested.
From his safe perch in Beirut, and soon after that (May, 1941) in
Berlin, the Grand Mufti worked tirelessly on behalf of Germany and
Nazism. He played a pivotal behind-the-scenes role in instigating
a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq in 1941, in urging Nazis and pro-Nazi
governments in Europe to transport Jews to death camps, in training
pro-Nazi Bosnian brigades, and, after Hitler’s cause was lost, in
funneling Nazi loot into post-war Arab countries.9 His Muslim
“Hanjar” division was credited with the murder of roughly 90% of
Bosnian Jewry. He became a familiar voice on Germany’s Arabiclanguage
radio propaganda station, broadcasting from the town
of Zeesen near Berlin, to convince Arabs and Muslims in Europe
(and especially the Muslim populations of the Balkans and Albania)
that Muslims and Nazis were brothers, and that these two kindred
peoples needed to unite against their common enemy: the Jews.
From Germany, the Mufti effectively wielded his weapons
of religious power, mob incitement, and assassination to silence
opposition and eliminate moderate rivals. He succeeded, almost
single-handedly, in engraving on the Arab consciousness the image
The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nati ona lism an d Islamic Jihad / 11
of the Jew as the demonic apotheosis of all things evil. Not only
was everything Jewish evil; but under al-Husseini’s deft diatribe,
everything evil was Jewish.
After meeting with Hitler on November 21, 1941, Husseini
praised the Germans because they “know how to get rid of the Jews,
and that brings us close to the Germans and sets us in their camp.”
On March 1, 1944, the Mufti called out in a broadcast from Zeesen:
“Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews
wherever you find them. Kill them with your teeth if need be. This
pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor.” His goal,
with the help of the Nazis, was “to solve the question of the Jewish
elements in Palestine and in other Arab countries as required by
national interests, and in the same way as the Jewish question in the
Axis lands is being solved.”10 His own memoirs, and the testimony
of German defendants at the Nuremberg trials later on, showed that
he planned a death camp modeled on Auschwitz to be constructed
near Nablus for the genocide of Palestine’s Jews.11
It was the Mufti who urged Hitler, Himmler, and General
Ribbentrop to concentrate Germany’s considerable industrial and
military resources on the extermination of European Jewry. The
foremost Muslim spiritual leader of his time helped in his own way
by lobbying to prevent Jews from leaving Hungary, Romania, and
Bulgaria, even though those governments were initially willing to
let them go. As Eichmann himself recounted: “We have promised
him [the Mufti] that no European Jew would enter Palestine any
more.”12
But Germany’s defeat in North Africa meant that the
Einsatsgruppen, which had murdered more than one million of the
six million Jewish victims of the Holocaust, never took its ghastly
show to Palestine. Al-Husseini’s boundless ambitions against both
Palestinian and world Jewry were halted ---he believed only
temporarily--by the German surrender on May 8, 1945.
The Mufti suddenly found himself a prisoner of war in France,
and condemned as a war criminal by the Nuremberg prosecutors.13
But with the Cold War looming, the British and the Americans
sought to curry favor with the Arab world (and prevent the USS R
The NAZI Roots of Palestinian Nati ona lism an d Islamic Jihad / 12 from making political headway there) by allowing him to escape. He
fled first to Egypt, and later to Syria. From Damascus, Hajj Amin
al-Husseini reestablished himself as the foremost spokesman for the
Arabs of Palestine.
A few years later, when the question of Palestine came before
the United Nations,, he and Hassan al-Banna urged the Arab world
to unite in opposition to it. The two men saw in the UN resolution
for the partition of Palestine an example of the “Jewish world
conspiracy,” even though the plan provided for an Arab state in
Palestine alongside of the Jewish one. But in their view a state for
the Arabs of Palestine took a back seat to the eradication of Zionism
and the annihilation of Palestine’s Jews.
No Arab head of state had the courage to contradict al-Husseini’s
rejectionism, and the Arab world’s enthusiastic reception of his
message of hate and genocide ended any possibility of the peaceful
implementation of the UN resolution and the creation of an Arab
and a Jewish state side by side in the Palestine Mandate (80% of the
Mandate had already been allocated to Jordan, whose population
was more than two-thirds Palestinian Arab).
As the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Arabia
and Morocco invaded Israel in 1948, the general-secretary of the
Arab League, Abd al-Rahman Azzam (aka Azzam Pasha), who
had previously stated privately that he considered the partition of
Palestine to be the only rational solution, now stood shoulder to
shoulder with the Mufti. “This war,” he declared on the day of the
Arab attack, “will be a war of destruction.” It was: but it was the
armies assembled by Arab generals, many of whom had fought with
Rommel in behalf of the Third Reich that were destroyed.
Al-Husseini’s Nazi ambitions, even though they were now seen as
part of the Holocaust that he had helped in his small way to engineer,
continued to be a source of pride for his Arab supporters after his
death in 1948. And he found admirers elsewhere in the decades ahead
as well. Professor Edward Said praised al-Husseini, former partner
with the Nazis in their crimes against humanity, as “the voice of the
Palestinian people.” Yasser Arafat, a cousin of al-Husseini, referred
to him as “our hero.”14
The Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazis











Nazi Roots of Palestinian Nationalism

http://www.nyjtimes.com/cover/03-08-05/nazirootsofpalestiniannationalism.htm

"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: The Jews are yours."

Former Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini in his post-World War II memoirs. [1}

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures."

Adolf Eichmann`s deputy Dieter Wisliceny in his Nuremberg Trials testimony. [2]

Within weeks of Adolf Hitler`s ascendance to power, the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, contacted the German counsel-general in Palestine. With the exception of funding some anti-Semitic riots, Germans rejected the Arab`s overtures until 1937, when Adolf Eichmann and Herbert Hagen were sent to Palestine to establish a framework to provide Husseini with military and financial aid by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. [3]

By then, the Mufti had already proven his anti-Jewish credentials to the Germans by organizing a three-year-long series of riots and massacres.

On April 19, 1936, a crowd of Arabs stumbled upon Jews in the town of Jaffa. Having been incited by Mufti-spread rumors that Zionists were killing Muslims, the crowd decided to kill three of the Jews they met. Six days later, the Arab Higher Committee was created, with al-Husseini presiding over the new body. The committee openly endorsed past violence and began organizing future terror.

On May 5, the British colonial authorities warned al-Husseini against committing illegal acts but did not appear particularly decisive, leading the Arab to conclude that he could organize mass violence with impunity. By October 1936, nearly 300 people were killed and another 1,100 wounded. [4]

Colonial forces arrested a few pawns and one major leader, but took no action against the Mufti. The New York Times reported on June 14, 1936 that al-Husseini had succeeded "in convincing experienced high British civil servants that he is working for the government`s interests [and that] it was in the interest of the government that he should also be president of the new Arab High Committee," so that Haj Amin el-Husseini enjoys the government`s complete confidence as its unofficial adviser on the Arab side of the situation....The government believes that he and only he is in a position to appease the Moslem masses; therefore it gives him every support while at the same time playing into his hands." [5]

Continuing its policy of siding with the Mufti, in June the Brits arrested scores of members of the Defense Party sponsored by the rival Nashashibi clan, despite lack of any evidence that the Nashashibis were involved in the massacres. Ninety percent of Arabs in the Sinai concentration camp belonged to the Defense Party, with another 10 percent coming from smaller political movements. None of the Husseini-backed people were sent to the camp. [6]

The UK was not the only power helping the Mufti in 1936. The USSR-sponsored Communist Party of Palestine also did its part. After the 1929 massacres (including the slaughter of 68 Jews in Hebron), the Communist Party issued a statement that "revolutionary movement without pogroms [anti-Semitic riots] is impossible." The Communists even considered the Mufti "too moderate" in his fight against Jews. [7]

In the run-up to the 1936-39 riots, the Palestinian leader began coordinating the organization of anti-Jewish violence. In November 1935, Communists declared that Zionists were killing Arabs, helping the Mufti`s propaganda campaign to spark Arab rage against the Jews. On the eve of the first riots, Communists met al-Husseini to work out the final terms of their roles in the upcoming violence. Communist Party member Nimr Uda became the intelligence chief for the Mufti`s military units. Another Communist representative, Fuad Nasir, was named deputy to Abdul Qadir Husseini, commander of Arab fighters in the southern West Bank. [8]

By 1937, Britain realized the Mufti was sponsoring the violence not just against Jews, but against the English as well. Al-Husseini fled Jerusalem and settled in Lebanon. So glad were the British to see the Mufti leave that they did not even bother to ask the French powers governing Lebanon to extradite him.

Meanwhile, in an attempt to please the Arabs, the UK`s Peel Commission violated the League of Nations Mandate by offering a proposal to divide the land designated as the "Jewish National Home" by the League of Nations Mandate of 1922. Instead, under the Peel Commission proposal of 1937, only a small part of the land would become the Jewish state.

A year later, the Peel Commission issued another proposal, with even less land offered to Jews. Some time after that, the British issued the White Paper of 1939 rejecting the idea of a Jewish National Home and severely restricting Jewish immigration. It was hoped for in London that such concessions to Arab nationalists would appease al-Husseini and his supporters. Yet, only two years after the White Paper, the Mufti would come back to strike the British again. [9]

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In 1940 it looked as if Hitler's armada was unstoppable. Having already conquered France, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg, Hitler and his friends in Italy, Spain and the occupied countries were clearly the rulers of continental Europe. Hitler had also allied himself with the USSR under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939 which divided Eastern Europe by giving the Baltic states and parts of Poland and Romania to the USSR, while letting the Germans take over western Poland, Romania and other European nations.

Meanwhile, the Japanese were the dominant force of Asia, seemingly set to impose their control on that continent. Britain`s Winston Churchill stood virtually alone against the Fascist onslaught, with the United States mired in radical isolationism, refusing to take part in what many Americans saw as a European war.

The one region where the British still had significant influence was the Middle East. Hitler set out to change that. Al-Husseini wanted to get rid of the Hashemite-clan rulers in Iraq and Transjordan. Both men wanted to get rid of the Jews and the Brits. It was a marriage made in heaven.

Despite boasting a powerful navy, the United Kingdom had an army that was modest in size and spread too thin. The Middle East, especially Iraq, seemed likely to be the next pawn to fall to the Third Reich.

In 1940, King Ghazi (son of King Faisal I) died, leaving only his four-year-old son to govern. Emir Abdul-Illah, the regent for the young Iraqi king, felt the need to bring Rashid Ali al-Kaylani into the government as the prime minister, despite the latter`s support for Nazi Germany and links with al-Husseini. The new head of state immediately shifted the policies of Iraq in favor of Nazi Germany, guaranteeing suply of natural resources to Hitler and refusing to cut ties with Italy. The former Mufti of Jerusalem and his surrogates frequently acted as the government`s representatives with foreigners. Kaylani also asked from Hitler the right to "deal with Jews" in Arab states - a request that was granted. [10]

Britain responded with severe economic sanctions which, coupled with the UK`s initial defeat of German forces in North Africa and pressure from the Iraqi royal family, brought down the pro-German government on January 31, 1941. Kaylani and other pro-Axis Iraqis, under the influence of al-Husseini, conspired, unsuccessfully, to murder Abdul-Illah. But thanks to widespread support for Kaylani among government officials, he was back in power two months later. [11]

As one of its first acts, the restored pro-German administration sent its artillery to attack the British air base at Habbaniya, causing the Brits to respond by invading Basra. The hoped-for support from Nazi Germany never came and Kaylani eventually fled to Saudi Arabia. [12]

Haj Amin al-Husseini, who issued a fatwa (Islamic religious ruling) calling on all Muslims to help the pro-Axis government in Iraq, became one of England`s most wanted men. In May 1941, a group of Jewish fighters, including David Raziel, leader of the right-wing Irgun, set out for Iraq to assassinate the former Mufti on a mission sponsored by the Churchill government. The mission ended prematurely when Raziel was killed by a bomb dropped from a German plane. Aware that his life was in danger, al-Husseini fled to Europe dressed as a woman. [13]

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On November 28, 1941 the former Mufti was officially received by Hitler, who agreed to establish a bureau for al-Husseini which was used to spread propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany, organize spy rings in Europe and the Middle East, and, most importantly, establish Muslim Nazi SS divisions and Wehrmacht units in Bosnia, the Balkans, North Africa and Nazi-occupied parts of the Soviet Union. After the meeting, the Mufti was also named SS gruppenfuehrer by Heinrich Himmler and referred to as the "Fuhrer of the Arab World" by Hitler himself. [14]

The largest Muslim Nazi SS unit was the 13th division, known as Hanjar. Husseini also encouraged the creation of smaller, less efficient units, including the Waffen SS divisions known as Skanderbeg (made up predominantly of Albanians) and Kama (made up mostly of Yugoslavian Muslims). Thus, Hitler`s Mufti organized or encouraged three out of 27 Waffen SS divisions formed before 1945 (eleven other SS divisions were formed in 1945, but most of these were of questionable caliber and accepted soldiers of questionable skill).

According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, al-Husseini "organized in record time" Croatian units that went on to massacre hundreds of thousands of Serbian Orthodox Christians. Jacenovac, the third largest death camp, where more than 200,000 people met their death, was run by Croatian Ante Pavelic with the aid of al-Husseini. In all, at least 800,000 Yugoslavian civilians were murdered by Pavelic's pro-Axis Ustaschi regime. [15]

Despite the relative inefficiency of the Hanjar division and the total incompetence of the other two divisions, it can still be said that the units established and encouraged by the "Fuhrer of the Arab World" played a significant role in the genocide. Tens of thousands of Jews outside Yugoslavia also perished when the Mufti argued against trading them for German POWs held by the Allies.

Al-Husseini opened a North African Bureau in Germany with the goal of recruiting 500,000 Arab soldiers from Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria. The plan failed when German forces were forced to withdraw from much of North Africa after a successful British operation. [16]

But an Arab Legion was founded, and it fought under the German flag. Arab soldiers had hoped to fight in the Middle East but were instead sent to the Russian front, where they were completely wiped out while fighting in the Caucasus region. Some time later, in responseto the British decision to create a Jewish Brigade made up of some of the 26,000 Palestinian Jews who had fought under the United Kingdom's flag, the Mufti convinced the Germans to create an Arab Brigade. The unit, however, either did not fight or was not very efficient because very little is known about it. [17]

The Mufti also made a particularly strong effort to recruit Soviet Muslims. "It was largely due to Haj Amin's propaganda that on the arrival of German armies in the northern Caucasus in 1942, five indigene tribes - the Chechens, the Ingushes, the Balkars, the Karachais, and the Kabardines - welcomed them with bread and salt," wrote Joseph Schechtman in The Mufti and the Fuhrer.[18] Stalin's response was deadly. Caucasian Muslims, including nearly all Chechens and Ingush, were exiled from their land, with up to a third dying as a result of inhumane treatment by Soviet authorities.

The Mufti was similarly instrumental in the recruitment of the Azerbaijani battalion, which "proved their valor, were included in German Storm Troops and decorated by the German Army," according to a November 1943 broadcast by DNB, the German News Agency. The Mufti`s representatives in Central Asia recruited some Muslim fighters for Nazi Germany there as well, despite widespread sympathy among the majority of Central Asian Muslims for the plight of the Jews during the Holocaust. [19]

The Mufti`s hatred of the West was matched only by his hatred of the Jews. It is not a coincidence that Germany suddenly abandoned the policy of expelling Jews and adopted far harsher methods a short time after the Mufti arrived in Germany. When Haj Amin came to Germany again, the Nazis decided to execute the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem.

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry," reported Eichmann`s deputy, Dieter Wisliceny. "[He had] played a role in the decision to exterminate the European Jews. The importance of this role must not be disregarded.... The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry." [20]

We do not know if al-Husseini played a major role in shaping the Final Solution. "There is, however," wrote Joseph Schechtman, "abundant first-hand evidence of the part the Mufti played in making foolproof the ban on emigration (of Jews out of Germany)." [21]

When the war ended, al-Husseini returned to the Middle East as a hero. On October 1, 1948, he was proclaimed the president of the government of All-Palestine. The government was fictional, however, because it did not control any land and was recognized by only a handful of Arab nations. In 1959 it was dispersed by its sponsor, Egypt. [22]

By that time, however, another member of the al-Husseini clan was planning terror. Around the same time that the All-Palestine government was disbanded, a man by the name of Muhammad Abd al-Rahman ar-Rauf al-Qudwah al-Husaini - better known as Yasir Arafat - was busy organizing Fatah, which would go on to become the main faction of the PLO.

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Support for Nazism was not limited to the former Mufti. "We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books . . . . We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism," recalled Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of Syria's ruling Ba'ath Party. [23] Indeed, a popular WWII song was heard in the Middle East featuring words: Bissama Allah, oria alard Hitler - in heaven Allah, on earth Hitler. Picking up the theme of the book, posters were put up in Arab markets and elsewhere proclaiming, "In heaven Allah is thy ruler; on earth Adolph Hitler." John Gunther of Inside Asia reported: "The greatest contemporary Arab hero is probably Hitler." [24]

In October 1933, pro-Axis Young Egypt Party was founded. Styling itself of its German ideal, the new party built a storm-trooper unit, marching with torches under the slogan "One folk, One party, One Leader." Among the members of the violently anti-Semitic party was the young Gamal Abdel Nasser. [25] Nasser's brother, Nassiri, was the translator of Hitler's Mein Kampf into Arabic, describing the Fascist despot in glowing terms. After the "Free Officers" came to power in the 1950's, President Nasser used Joachim Daumling, the former Gestapo chief in Dusseldorf, to build the Egyptian secret service. The Gestapo chief of Warsaw organized the Egyptian security police. [26]

Another future Egyptian President, Anwar Sadat, was imprisoned during World War II for cooperating with Adolf Hitler's regime. Towards the end of World War II, Sadat wrote to the Fuhrer: "My dear Hitler, I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart. Even if you appear to have been defeated, in reality you are the victor. You succeeded in creating dissensions between Churchill, the old man, and his allies, the Sons of Satan. Germany will win because her existence is necessary to preserve the world balance. Germany will be reborn in spite of the Western and Eastern powers. There will be no peace unless Germany once again becomes what she was." [27]

A few years prior to writing this letter, Anwar Sadat contacted Muslim Brotherhood's leader Hassan al-Banna, an ardent supporter of Nazi Germany. The meeting put Sadat in contact with Abd al-Munim Adb al-Rauf, who went on to become a leading member of the Free Officers and a chief propagandist and protagonist of the Brotherhood. [28] Both men tried to join the pro-Axis fighters in Iraq, but failed. Sadat also met with Dr. Ibrahim Hasan, the second deputy of Ikhwan. The two gentlemen agreed that "salvation of the country could be assured only by a coup at the hands of the military" because of the King's support for the Allies. [29] On February 24, 1945, the Prime Minister of Egypt was assassinated by a member of the National Party as he was reading the declaration of war against Germany. [30] The Brotherhood and the military were not involved in the murder, but clearly did not object to the act. The assassination would become a sign of the things to come in the decades after the World War
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