SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!

suzi woo woo wrote: some interesting stuff in today's news that goes to explaining why
'el kabong' had to spam over and bury this post:

That was not Spam, it was Credentialed/Vetted/Sourced Data that refutes your lies and Bullshit.

I stood 'toe to toe' with you and knocked you out.

I challenged your Bullshit and you ran away as always and bore 'False Witness'.

Let's try it again, answer my Challenge, define with credentialed support your idiotic definitions of: Mizraim, Tsiyon/Zion and Torah and tell us why your are anti God, Anti Messiah, Anti Torah, Anti Bible and Anti-Israel.

el kabong wrote:

true lilly wrote: ..............................................................

There is a reason that ISRAEL was [/color]
DELIVERED OUT OF MITSRAYIM, The AMERICAS.
DEATH WORSHIP....that was translated MUCH LATER into Egypt.

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But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES!

The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM,
is that it causes
the TIME LINES of Human History http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED
into a SHORT period. http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards Get ready for more TORAH SPAM......poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"...

CURSE JUDAH and BE CURSED.

Well,
GOD HAS, LONG BEEN RE-GATHERING,
JUDAH and ISRAEL '''''''''''''''''''
and THOSE JOINED TO THEM,
in The UNIQUELY GLORIOUS Land,
that HE DESCRIBED...
and YOU, KEEP CURSING BOTH,
RE-JOINED ISRAEL & JUDAH and
That Land From Which,
ALL THE NATIONS ARE HEALED!


It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...
...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED... http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards =
LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION...
...TIME & SPACE, TIME & PLACE...http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards

THE SAFEGUARD GOD WROTE INTO HIS WORD,
was NOT comparing mans lying words against mans lying words,
but to TEST:
HOLY SCRIPTURE against HOLY SCRIPTURE,
and,
WHAT WAS REAL (FROM THE BEGINNING)
and IS REAL, in ALL The World and ALL The Earth,
That GOD CREATED. Because GOD CAN'T LIE,
let alone contradict HIMSELF, and as soon as you decide...

So.................why don't you do what you preach?

to DENY GOD'S WORD that DESCRIBED
WHAT GOOD SCIENCE keeps DISCOVERING, such as:

the water covered globe;
that one land mass was raised out of it;
LIFE EXISTED in and on the world, without death,
UNTIL Oxygen formed=The Prince of The Air/DEATH entered;
that NOAH'S TIME of RE-populating ALL The Earth with
people and The ORIGINAL KINDS of animals, WAS LONG,
BEFORE The ONE LAND MASS Started to Divide...

YOU DECIDE to FAIL THE TEST.

el kabong wrote:

...I'll see, YOUR POISON FRUIT-LOOPS...and RAISE,
with The GOOD FRUIT (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
that my Faithfulness To THE CREATOR of LIFE,
BLESSED THE WORLD WITH...

[size=24]well done Suze, one of your biggest bullshit spiels even by your standards.

Let's start with the Evolutionary Timeline, shall we......it completely refutes all your mega bullshit.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html#backwards


Counting Backwards from Now
60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.
380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

[b]1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.
2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

This is when Suze thinks the Biblical events were happening.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.




205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.



313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia

1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen. Somebody point this little fact out to Suze, she is confused.
3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.

3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth.

4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!


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Counting Down to the Big Bang
In what follows I give the temperature of outer space in Kelvin at various times. Kelvin means "degrees Celsius above absolute zero". The melting point of water is 273 Kelvin; the boiling point is 373 Kelvin.

13.7 billion years after the Big Bang - Now.
Temperature: 2.726 Kelvin


400 million years after the Big Bang - Reionization: first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.
Temperature: roughly 30 Kelvin.


380 thousand years after the Big Bang - Recombination: hydrogen gas cools down to form molecules.
Temperature: 3000 Kelvin.


10 thousand years after the Big Bang - End of the radiation-dominated era.
Temperature: 12,000 Kelvin.


1000 seconds after the Big Bang - Decay of lone neutrons.
Temperature: roughly 500 million Kelvin.


180 seconds after the Big Bang - Beginning of nucleosynthesis: formation of helium and other elements from hydrogen
Temperature: roughly 1 billion Kelvin.


10 seconds after the Big Bang - Annihilation of electron-positron pairs.
Temperature: roughly 5 billion Kelvin.


1 second after the Big Bang - Decoupling of neutrinos.
Temperature: roughly 10 billion Kelvin


100 microseconds after the Big Bang - Annihilation of pions.
Temperature: roughly 1 trillion Kelvin


50 microseconds after the Big Bang - "QCD phase transition": quarks get bound into neutrons and protons.
Temperature: 1.7-2.1 trillion Kelvin


10 picoseconds after the Big Bang - "Electroweak phase transition": electromagnetic and weak force become different.
Temperature: 1-2 quadrillion Kelvin.


Note: a picosecond is a trillionth of a second. Before this the temperatures were so high that our knowledge of physics is unable to say for sure what happened, though experts have some good guesses.

Suze 'claims' she knows about the reformation of the Tribes of Israel and that they are going to be in the Desert Wasteland Australia, she is Bat Shit Crazy.........woo woo.

el kabong wrote:http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/

Notice: Suze woozie is Anti Torah, Gods Instruction for Humankind.....proof she is a Bullshit Artist, she is Anti Israel..........proof she is a deceiver........she just makes statements without any factual/historical backing....she cannot define: Mizraim or Zion, she just pulls a definition out of her ass....... .

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home&type=2

The Full Restoration Of Israel!
Part I of a Series
In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting.

After the testing of Abraham's faith in Genesis 22, Yahuwah renews the promise, due to Abraham's great obedience in the binding of Isaac on Mt Moriah. In verses 17&18 Yahuwah reminds Abraham that it is he that will inherit the physical promise of physical multiplicity when his seed one day becomes more than the stars of heaven and the dust of the earth. In verse 18 we see that from this earth filling seed, will come one (Messiah), through whom all of the earth's families will be blessed. In Genesis 24 verse 60, Rebecca's family prophetically prays over her in order that her children may become "myriad's of peoples" and rule over their enemies.

In Genesis 26 verse 4 we see this promise of physical increase being renewed with Abraham's son Isaac. He is told that his zera will be more than the stars of heaven. Sound familiar? Isaac becomes the heir of this promise not Ishmael. Therefore when Yahuwah brings to pass this great and precious promise it will not be through an adopted Gentile like Eliezer or a child of the flesh like Ishmael, but rather through the child of promise (Isaac) the heir proceeding from Abraham's own body. Galatians 4:28 confirms that only Isaac is the child of promise. What promise? The promise of physical multiplicity that would fill the earth, yet still possess the land of Canaan as it's own homeland.

Genesis 28 verse 3 finds Isaac blessing Jacob and prophesying that the promise that Yahuwah gave Abraham and Isaac would now be bestowed upon Jacob and not Esau. We see that in verse three Isaac prays that Jacob's zera, would be blessed and become a "kehelat goyim" or "assembly of peoples." For the first time in scripture we get a glimpse of Yahuwah's plan for filling the earth with the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Hebrew term found in verse three is "kehelat goyim" or an assembly of nations or even better an "assembly of goyim". Somehow the Father will fill the earth with the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by putting together an assembly of goyim. Verse 4 confirms that what Isaac is bestowing upon Jacob is none other than the blessing of Abraham.

It is absolutely crucial for us to understand that there are not many promises to Abraham. There are not some that are spiritual and some others that are physical. Rather there is one promise and that one promise contains two aspects of physical blessing. One is the seed who would bless the nations, that being Messiah Yahshua Himself, the other being merely a promise of physical reproduction and multiplicity. In Genesis 28 in the account of Jacob's ladder we find Yahuwah telling Jacob that his seed will be spread out as the dust of the earth and will break forth to the four corners of the globe. In other words his offspring would find its home in Canaan land, but would somehow through Yahuwah's divine plan break forth and find its way to the four corners of the earth. This promise is none other than the bestowing upon Jacob of the promise and blessing of Abraham. The Hebrew term used in Genesis 28 verse 14 is the term "parats" meaning to break forth. It literally means to jump out and spread quickly. This promise of physical multiplicity must come through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob therefore nullifying any claims by Islam and Ishmaelites or any other misguided Bible scholars claiming that this promise is fulfilled in adding the Jews and Muslims together. That is wrong since this promise must come through Isaac and Jacob not Ishmael and Esau. The Ishmaelite, Arab and Muslim peoples are the physical descendants of Abraham alone, not of the promised heirs Isaac and Jacob. They do not, I repeat do not, meet the standards set down by Yahuwah when He stated that the promise of physical multiplicity would come through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The faith of Islam is not the faith of Abraham because in order to have the faith of Abraham one must believe it was Isaac not Ishmael who was the chosen seed!

We find Yahuwah elaborating on this promise to Jacob in Genesis 35:10-11 where He declares to Jacob that he would no longer be known as Jacob but as Israel. Israel means one who as a prince struggles with Yahuwah and prevails. It is as Israel that Jacob will produce sperm that will lead to the establishment of a nation and a company of nations. The nation of course is destined to be the Jewish people and the company of nations will be the "kehelat goyim" or the assembly of nations (Gentiles) that will proceed from his own body.

As we jump forward in time we find Israel the great patriarch dying in the land of Goshen in Egypt and he summons all his sons to his bedside as he is dying. He somehow finds enough strength and leans on his staff and begins to prophecy through the Ruach HaKodesh the events that will befall his sons in the last days. The Brit Chadasha (New Covenant) refers to these deathbed prophecies of Israel as an act of worship. In Genesis 48:5 he adopts Joseph's children born in Egypt, Ephraim and Manasseh as his own. He is declaring his last will and testament right there in front of Joseph. He officially adopts these two boys so that Joseph his most beloved son can receive a double portion of blessing through both his sons (verse 22). In verse 16 of Genesis 48 he calls these two grandchildren "Israel", since he not only adopts them but prophetically declares that the physical promise of physical global multiplicity will come through them. After stating "let my name be called upon them," meaning they are Israel's children, he prays that they will become a multitude. The Hebrew term used here for multitude can be read as a "teeming multitude of fish". It is interesting to remember that it was none other than our Messiah Yahshua who declared that He would make us fishers of men. Could many of the men he was referring to be the "teeming multitude proceeding from Ephraim and Manasseh?

As Israel is about to pronounce blessing he lays his right hand on Ephraim instead of Manasseh who was Joseph's firstborn. The right hand is symbolic of the blessing of the first born and should have rightfully fallen to Manasseh. However above the protests of Joseph, Israel crosses his hands and place the right one on the second of Joseph's sons Ephraim. When Joseph objects Israel tells him not to worry that he knows exactly what he is doing and that while Manasseh will become a great nation, Ephraim will be greater than him. In Genesis 48:19 we have one of the most fascinating and important prophecies of scripture. In blessing Ephraim over and above his brother, Israel declares that the seed or zera of Ephraim will become the "maleh goyim", or the "fullness of the Gentiles". In other words the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that was promised to one day literally fill the earth as the sand and dust of the earth and stars of heaven, will now come to pass in and through Ephraim. Ephraim will be the vehicle though which the great and precious single promise of physical multiplicity will literally come to pass. In English the words "maleh hagoyim" can best be translated as the "fullness of the Gentiles". If that term sounds familiar it should. It is a quotation from Romans 11:25 by Rav Shaul (Paul) as the method and means by which all Israel would be saved. The only other time this word maleh is used in Tanach is in Psalm 24:1, where the psalmist declares that the earth is Yahuwah's and the fullness thereof. In other words the earth is full of peoples, places and things that belong to Yahuwah and there is nothing found in the earth that does not belong to Yahuwah. In like manner there will be virtually no one in the earth that is not somehow belonging to the seed of Ephraim since it is the seed of Ephraim where all the blessings of physical multiplicity will be found. More on that later.

Not only do we see Ephraim receiving the birthright of the first born over and above his older brother Manasseh, but Israel also removes it from Reuben in Genesis 49:3 & 4 since Reuben defiled his father's bed and was sexually impure regarding the privacy and intimacy of Israel's marriage bed. So in reality Ephraim is moved ahead of Reuben, Joseph and Manasseh to receive the blessing of the firstborn of Israel. First Kings 5:1-2 and Jeremiah 31:9, confirms this essential truth. There is however some needed insight at this point. In all ancient Mideast cultures the right of the firstborn was essential in establishing lordship over the house of the dying father. With the birthright went power, authority, respect, grandeur and the right to enact all family business and transactions pertaining to its sustenance, care and well being. In essence the birthright was the permission to the firstborn to take over and rule the fathers' house in the fathers absence through death. Isaac received this right from Abraham even as Jacob received it from Isaac, albeit deceitfully. With the birthright went power and therefore it was coveted greatly in that culture.

When Israel gave Ephraim the birthright, however, he gave it to him with one major reservation. We read about this in Genesis 49:8-10, where Judah is given the pre-eminence or power to rule and reign royally over the House Of Israel! In verse 9 it states that all Israel's children will bow before the royalty of Judah and verse 9 states that the pre-eminence will cause all Israel to pay homage to the Lion of Judah whom verse 10 refers to by the Messianic moniker of Shiloh. Shiloh means the "sent one" or the anointed King Messiah from the kingly line of Judah who would be manifest in the natural through the tribe of Judah. Hebrews 7:14 makes it clear that Yahshua was Shiloh and it is evident that He sprang forth from Judah. What a mess! Did Jacob make a major error? Did he go to all the trouble of establishing Ephraim as the firstborn with the firstborn birthright only to give him a title without authority and without preeminence over his brothers? Did he make Ephraim a puppet ruler with just a paper title much like the modern day Queen of England? One thing we know for sure. He brought a split into and among the sons of Israel since one son had a birthright but the other son Judah had the right to rule! What good is a birthright without the authority that goes along with it? The children of Israel would submit to Judah's seed not Ephraim's, yet Ephraim's seed would become the fullness of the Gentiles. Judah would rule over the House Of Israel, but Ephraim would bring forth the promised zera that would fill the globe with the promise to the patriarchs of physical multiplicity. Of course Israel knew what he was doing since he was ministering through the Ruach HaKodesh. He split the authority and blessing between the two brothers who would continue to wage war over the fullness of the blessing that would ultimately be played out in a battle royal over the title of who is Israel? How ironic that according to Genesis 49:10 it will be the Lion of Judah (Messiah Yahshua), that would gather the goyim or nations of the seed of Ephraim back into the House Of Israel! After Israel died and his children waxed great in Egypt this promise of physical multiplicity began to trouble a Pharaoh who knew not Joseph. Of course he enslaved the Hebrews and it took Moshe Rabainu our great deliverer to rescue Israel from the house of bondage. As history teaches us Moshe took the twelve tribes out of Egypt to Sinai where they received Torah and the twelve tribes settled the land of Canaan. After a period of diverse judges and after King Saul, David was anointed King over all Israel. In the days of David the King, we see the house of Judah ruling and reigning over a united Israel with 12 tribes under David's monarchy. All was well until Solomon, David's' son, began whoring physically as well as spiritually and Yahuwah revealed to Solomon that the kingdom would be broken in the life of his son Rehoboam because of Solomon's sins. (First Kings 11:11-14). Yahuwah further revealed to Jeroboam an Ephraimite, one of Solomon's talented craftsman, that he would receive ten tribes resulting from this split in the kingdom of Israel after Solomon's death. This prophecy was acted out in front of Jeroboam by Ahiyah the prophet. The glory days under David was the last time that the kingdom belonged to all Israel, made up of all twelve tribes. In approximately 921 BC the ten northern tribes broke away from the House Of David and called themselves Israel making Samaria its capital. The southern tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi made up the southern kingdom under Rehoboam with Jerusalem as its capital (Read First Kings 11:26-43). As Rehoboam prepares an army to retake the ten renegade tribes in the north, Yahuwah forbids it in First Kings 12:24 by telling Rehoboam that this split in the House Of David is from Him and that they should not fight against their brothers.

This split in 921 BC was simply the literal fulfillment of the prophetic unction's pronounced by Jacob over his sons when he split the family so to speak. He split the birthright between Ephraim and Judah and that is why Yahuwah says in First Kings 12:24 that this family split is from Him. He ordained it and desired it so that He could bring to pass the promise He made to the patriarchs. Specifically the promise of physical multiplicity. The means by which our Heavenly Father chose to do this is through this split in David's House. We will see why later! What began with Jacob now was being played out in the natural. The Northern kingdom of ten tribes began to adopt pagan practices, holidays, customs, false worship and unfortunately Jeroboam became the father of Ephraimite pagans. In First Kings 12:26-33 we see the evil heart of Jeroboam son of Nebat at as he devised a scheme for the ten tribes collectively known as the House of Israel or Ephraim to begin to practice a false religion designed to keep Ephraim separate from Judah and separate from Judah's Elohim. As we will shortly come to realize this House of Ephraim would one day become hidden as individuals within the Christian Church through Yahuwah's program of the regathering of Ephraim through Messiah Yahshua and would adopt all of the ungodly pagan practices of Jeroboam. This system of Jeroboam had as its basic design the creation of a separate entity from the House of David consisting of the ten tribes in the north.

This separation unto debauchery and unto Ephraim's departure from the family of Israel resulted in Yahuwah's judgement in approximately 721 BCE when Yahuwah send Tilgat Pilsger III, the Assyrian king to utterly destroy the House Of Ephraim or the ten northern tribes. Since Ephraim played the harlot and lifted her skirt to every foreign deity, Yahuwah declared that he would in like manner sift her and cause her to be naked before the Gentile nations, by bringing an end to the northern kingdom, of Israel. This stern punishment would be enacted by the dispersing and swallowing up of these ten tribes by the world's pagan nations. Since Ephraim's lust, penchant and desire for paganism was so great Yahuwah permitted the ten tribes to become the very thing that they so desperately and so wickedly craved to be! Thus we find that the children of Israel experienced their first holocaust in 721 BCE when ten tribes seemingly disappeared and became lost spiritually as well as physically. Thus was born the ten lost tribes of Israel.

As we are about to discover this breakage was the method by which Yahuwah chose to fulfill the family split caused by Jacob himself as well as to fulfill the promise of physical multiplicity to the patriarchs. Are the ten tribes really lost? Can they be found? Have they been destroyed or somehow preserved? Did the Messiah come to restore the Tabernacle of David which had fallen in 920 BCE? Did the ten lost tribes of Israel become Gentiles later to be regathered back into the house Of Israel by the ministry of Moshiach? Is it possible that the ten tribes became the "maleh goyim" or the "fullness of the Gentiles" that we read about in Romans and that was promised to be the physical Israelite seed through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Ephraim? Let's find out!

The prophet Hosea is a great place to start our definitive search for the other house of Israel, the House of Ephraim. From this point forward the key to understanding prophecy related to the restoration of the twelve tribes into the House Of David is to understand that after the split in 921 BCE Yahuwah almost never ever refers to one house but to two houses of Israel! When He speaks to the North (10) tribes He speaks of Israel or Ephraim. When He speaks to the South He speaks of Judah. He always separates these two entities and unless you learn to do likewise you cannot and will not understand any prophetic writings or prophecies given by any of Israel's prophets after the split of the House of David. Get it fully settled in your minds that after 921 BC there were and still are two separate houses of Israel!! If you can comprehend this truth you are well on your way to being an instant prophecy expert!

In Hosea chapter One, the prophet sent to the northern kingdom of Israel is told to take a wife who is a whore since that would give him a pretty good idea what the ten tribes have done to Yahuwah. After cohabiting with Gomer, Hosea calls their daughter "Lo-Ruhammah" (verse 6), meaning no mercy or compassion. In verse 4 of Hosea One we see Yahuwah putting an end to the northern House Of Israel and in verse 6 He promises to never again show Israel in the north any mercy. In verse 7 Yahuwah stated that unlike Israel, He will show mercy to Judah in the south. The couple conceived a son in verse 9 and Yahuwah commands Hosea to call his name "Lo-Ami" for you are not my people and I am not for you. When Yahuwah is against you the party is over. Israel or Ephraim is called Lo-Ami, not my people. It is adios , good bye and good night Irene! No more mercy, no more my people, no more a kingdom, and Yahuwah fighting against you. We see clearly the end of the ten northern tribes as a nation before Yahuwah. A total divorce and rejection has taken place. Hosea 7:8,8:8,9:11,9:17,10:1,12:1 and other passages confirm that Ephraim's plight is to become Lo-Ami, swallowed up among the Gentiles. Yet in verse 10 we see a startling declaration. Despite a death sentence for the ten tribes as an identifiable kingdom or nation, miraculously they reappear and are born-again so to speak in the last days. Verse 10 of Hosea One begins with the words "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the seashore. Here we have a kingdom totally destroyed and swallowed up among the Gentiles, miraculously reappearing as the former children of Israel and are even called the sand of the sea! Sound familiar? It should! This is the sand of the sea promise made to the patriarchs and to Ephraim. This verse further reveals to us just where we are going to find the ten lost tribes or the sand of the sea that cannot be counted. The ones who call themselves and are called by Yahuwah children of Elohim! Do you know any modern day group of people that run around referring to themselves and claiming themselves to be children of the living Yahuwah! You got it! The born-again community of Gentile believers is nothing more than the former dispersed House Of Israel. Yahuwah further states in this verse that when Ephraim is gathered they will be His people or His Ami and He will be their Elohim since they have become sons of the living Elohim by grace though faith (Hosea 2:21-23). This cannot possibly be made any clearer. A nation that has come to an end, disappeared or become lost if you will, all of a sudden showing up as sons and daughters of Yahuwah in the last days! Elohim Himself reminds us in verse 10 that this group in nothing more than the former House of Jeroboam or House of Israel. In verse 11 of Hosea One we see this return of the ten lost tribes coming back into the House Of David in the days when these former lost Israelites appoint for themselves the same head that Messianic Jews are appointing for themselves. This one head is the head of the body made up of nothing more than Judahites and Ephraimites with perhaps some true Gentiles, now restored to Yahuwah as redeemed individuals from both houses and are learning to trust and lean on the same Head by appointing that Head (Yahshua) as personal Elohim and Savior! Verse 11 goes on to say that when individual Ephraimites and Judahites are making this personal appointment of Yahshua as king of their lives it will not be a day to build something called "a church" where "the church" replaces the Jew, rather it will be the day of Jezreal. Jezreal means the replanting of those who were scattered! Baruch HaShem Yahuwah. Notice the very next verse in Hosea 2:1, where both Judahites and Ephraimites who appoint Yahshua as their head (in the day of Jezreal's regathering and replanting into David's rebuilt Tabernacle), will no longer look at their brothers and sisters as spiritual brothers or sisters only, but will see them in a new light. What light is that? As "ami!" My own people. Bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. When Ephraim and Judah are individually regenerated and regathered into the rebuilt Tabernacle of David then we will begin to recognize each other as blood brothers, as physical Israelites from different sides of the same family that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb!



Remember that in Matthew 15:24 Yahshua stated in the clearest possible terms that he was sent for no one except the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Notice He did not state that He came for Gentiles or Jews. He did not come only for Jews because Jews are Judahites physically descended from the two southern tribes that made up the Kingdom of Judah. He also has no interest in Gentiles. Why? Because those who respond to Yahshua's love, and come back to the restored Tabernacle of David, may look like Gentiles, act like Gentiles, behave like Gentiles, eat pork and break the Shabbat like Gentiles, but are in fact nothing more than the lost physical sheep of the house of Israel who became the Gentiles and have been living like Gentiles for 2700 years. Obviously when they come back they are not going to look like Israelites who practice and are faithful to Torah. Either you are going to believe Yahshua and scores of other prophets or you are going to make up your own theology. He said I have come only for all the lost sheep of the House of Israel. This includes the Jews but also includes the other house of Israel, who are my brothers in the flesh. Of course Paul, Peter and others were sharing the gospel with Gentiles because where else are you going to find the seed of Ephraim, except among the Gentiles filling the globe. Amos 9:9 tells us that though scattered among the Gentiles, not one grain or person will fall to be destroyed. In other words they will not disappear from the earth, but will mix and literally become the peoples of the earth, only to be brought back to Yahuwah in the end times, on an individual basis. The Great Commission (Matt: 28 18-20) therefore is nothing more than a world wide search for the seed of Ephraim the sand of the sea, dust of the earth, the teeming multitudes of humanity. Part of that search of course will be to look for the dispersed of Judah as well. Yaakov (James) testifies to this truth by reminding the Jerusalem Council that Yahuwah was just visiting the Gentiles nations through the preaching of the gospel, not to live there, but to rescue and pull out His people called by His Name ( Acts 15:14-17). Through this rescue James reminds us that Yahuwah is rebuilding The Tabernacle Of David made up of all the twelve tribes of Israel. Since He is Israel's Elohim, He is pulling out and rescuing Israelites from the "outcast status" that had been their inheritance due to their disobedience to Torah. These people are Israelites regardless of whether they themselves realize it or not! Is not that what it means to be lost? Lost spiritually as well as physically!

Is it not fascinating that after three and a half years of Yahshua's earthly ministry as He is about to ascend back to heaven from the Mt. of Olives, all remaining eleven talmidim come to Him and ask Him the same exact question. This is almost unimaginable since these eleven rarely agreed on anything and were always fighting and asking questions, seeking to bolster their own agenda. Yet in total unanimity they all had the same final question. Master, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel? (Acts1:6) That is what they were concerned with. Not the creation or building of a separate entity called "the church" which has sought to replace, annihilate and often destroy the Judahite people. Let it be clearly understood that the word "church" is nothing more than the ekklesia or assembly of the Tanach. It is the same assembly that was receiving Torah on Mt. Sinai (Acts7:37-38). There is one New Covenant assembly, called Israel by Rav Shaul (Galatians 6:16). There is no such thing as a separate entity called "the church", with a separate Shabbat and a separate holy day schedule. In Spanish and Portuguese and almost every language ekklesia meaning those "called out ones" maintains the basic idea of an assembly. Only in English do we have this "church" (derived from a pagan circular blood ritual called "church") word that appears to be teaching that Yahshua built something new called "the church", when all He was doing was rebuilding the mikra or assembly of the Tanach and filling it with power. When the Septuagint translation of the Tanach was translated from Hebrew to Greek around 175 B.C.E., every translator translated the word mikra into ekklesia and that is exactly what Yahshua Himself claims to have come to build (Matthew 16:16-19)! The oldest New Covenant manuscripts in our possession today and written in Aramaic (a dialect of Hebrew), confirm the absence of the word "church" again using in its place the word "assembly." Because of Ephraim's jealousy and hatred of his brother Judah, along with an ongoing addictive attraction to anything pagan or foreign to Torah (like father like son), he decided to become a separate man-made entity known as "the church" totally divorced from Jacob's family and it's rich Hebraic roots, which explains why today the "church" as it mostly stands is absolutely unrecognizable to both Jews and often to Yahuwah Himself! This self-desired divorce from Israel has left "the church" without any tools with which to provoke Judah to jealousy. She is a man-made self willed religious divorcee from the covenant people of Israel!

The gospel is not merely a proclamation of personal salvation. It is a message of national restoration to Israel from a divided family which manifested itself in two still separate houses of Israel. Matthew 24:14 reminds us that the gospel is the gospel of the Kingdom. In Matthew chapter 12 Yahshua speaks of the principal of a divided house without any ability to withstand the fiery darts of Satan! What kingdom? The kingdom of Israel. In Luke 24:21 the talmidim were very disappointed since they fully and rightfully expected the twelve tribes to be resorted under Yahshua the Moshiach. Where would they get that idea from? Jeremiah 23 verses 3-6 Yahuwah declares that He will bring Israel and Judah back from global dispersion in the days that Messiah arrives. In verse 5 and 6 it states that Judah shall be saved and Israel shall dwell safely. We see the reunification of both houses under the Messiah or the reunification of all twelve tribes all living in the land of Israel. Remember that in order for the House of David to be fully restored and rebuilt it has to be composed of the same composition that left Egypt, received Torah and made up the glory days of King David. All twelve tribes! Any revival or restoration movement that does not include the full restoration of all twelve parts of the family and merely focuses in on two parts of the twelve parts, is not flowing in a full vision of restoration. Messianic Judaism in order to continue to experience the full last days blessings of Yahuwah, must expand it's vision to include all of Israel. The vision does not have to be changed at all and should be of no threat to Messianic Judaism's leadership, once it determines the truth of Israel's two houses and demands that Ephraim renounce all paganism and embrace the fabric of Israelite living and holiness which is Torah. The future of the last days revival of Israel and the very fabric and survival of the modern Messianic Jewish movement depends on a leadership ready to re-evaluate the preservation of Ephraim for 2,700 years amongst and as Gentiles. That is the final "Tikun HaOlam" (restoration between Judah & Ephraim), spoken of in Ezekiel 37:11-28! It is wrong for bible students & Messianic leaders to teach and believe that Judah, Ephraim, and Israel are all the same and are really analogous or synonymous interchangeable terms, whose usage varies, depending upon what mood Yahuwah is in. That is historically inaccurate as well as theologically deceptive and if Yahuwah is able to differentiate between the two still divided houses after 720 BCE, why can't we?

Go back now and read your Bible, understanding that when Yahuwah refers to the ten tribes it is always Ephraim or Israel and when He refers to the two southern tribes it is always as Judah. Try it! Your eyes will be open to the true, everlasting and final Tikun HaOlam. If you refuse to read your Bible without that foundational premise, then you are bound to find an Elohim who is repetitive, confused and throws terms around referring to two nations when there is really one. Of course based on this faulty reasoning Yahuwah is not too swift at identifying and locating the outcasts of Israel (Ephraim) either! Do you really believe that? Of course not! You and I may not know where to look for the ten tribes but rest assured Yahshua does, and that is exactly what He has been doing for two thousand years right under our collective nose, since that was His assignment according to Isaiah 49:5-6. During that same time period we were all busy fussing and fighting as two brothers engaged in sibling rivalry!

What it all boils down to is, whose report will you believe? An Israel made up of two tribes or one made up of twelve which Yahuwah Himself vowed to fill the earth with. Since He is faithful you can rest assured that almost everyone on this planet has a drop of Israelite blood since Yahuwah' blessing of physical multiplicity would fill the globe through Ephraim's banishment and subsequent intermarriage and assimilation. If the earth is full of Israelite blood how much room is there left for any other types of peoples without some Israelite blood? If this promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has been literally fulfilled only through the Jewish people alone, who continue to number only 16 million and can easily and readily be counted, censused and numbered, then the promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an outright lie! Yahuwah lied! Sixteen million Jews does not constitute a multitude that cannot be numbered! Sixteen million or so Jews could all fit nicely into the land mass of the state of Florida. The promise of physical multiplicity was not fulfilled in Judah alone! That is a numerical and practical impossibility! The question before you is not can everyone on earth really have at least a drop of Israelite blood? The question before you is did Yahuwah lie and speak in half truths? Are we to take him at his literal word? This teaching of the two houses submits the truth that Ephraim plus Judah with a few true Gentiles (?), equals billions of human beings and from those billions (5 or 6 billion), a remnant Israel is being saved from all twelve tribes and are being reconciled to Yahuwah through the precious blood of the one who declared "I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel"! Whose report will you believe? Those promoting separate entities and thus two Israels, one physical and the other spiritually adopted, or Yahuwah who has only one physical Israel, that is spirit filled and led, taken from all twelve tribes, with no one being adopted into physical Israel, but requiring everyone Jew and non-Jew to be adopted into Yahuwah's family! The choice is yours! Is it possible that the real reason behind the reason of saved Judah's carefree, careless attitude towards trying to discover where in the world the rest of his lost physical family really is, is nothing more than a colossal case of a self centered mindset! In Judah's defense it is perhaps possible that Judah is too busy trying to survive the Diaspora than to be concerned about finding his brother's whereabouts. Regardless of the real reason, Yahuwah only deals with these two chosen families in the earth (Jeremiah 33:24).

Is it not interesting that the promised New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 talks about Yahuwah cutting a covenant with the House Of Israel and the House of Judah never once mentioning cutting one with Gentiles or Christians. The House of Israel mentioned in Jeremiah is Ephraim those born-again non-Jews. Remember that all Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. In the heavenly Jerusalem of Revelation 21:12 notice that all those born again folks planning on having everlasting life must enter the city through one of 12 gates, one for each of the twelve tribes. Isn't it funny and strange how Yahuwah forgot to make a gate for Christians or "saved Gentiles". The reason is that everyone in New Covenant Israel from both sides of the physical family is a blood descendent of Israel with some few exceptions. Even those exceptions become Israelites according to Torah! I'll discuss more on that in the next issue.

In Jeremiah 31:3-22 we read detailed descriptions of Ephraim (ten tribes) returning to the land. Any aliyah or any program of returning Jews to Israel to live must and will include all Israel including Ephraim. In the verse mentioned above we see the ten tribes being replanted on the mountains of Israel. Do you have a problem with that? Yahuwah doesn't! You see our vision is too small. Our vision must be the vision of Yahshua and the 12 disciples and must include a revival among all Israel, not just 2/12th's of Israel!! It was Yahshua Himself who promised the twelve talmidim a millennial rule over twelve verifiable and recognizable tribes of re-gathered millennial Israel (Matthew 19:28). Zechariah in chapter 8:22-23, specifically refers to ten men representing the ten returning tribes grabbing the tzitzit (fringes) of a Jew who has come to know Yahshua personally and declaring that they will also return to Zion and Torah. Notice that these ten returning men speak all of the world's known languages. In this passage we see the ongoing return of all Israel, to Israel!

In Yaakov (James) 1:1 Yaakov writes his epistle to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. Obviously James knew that the body of Yahshua that he was writing to was nothing more than the re-gathered 12 tribes of Israel that had been redeemed through Yahshua and he addressed them as such! If the ten tribes remained lost and nowhere to be found why would James write to them and call them brethren of faith in verse 2 of James chapter One? Obviously he had no problem with the body of Yahshua being New Covenant Israel made up of all twelve tribes and perhaps some very few exceptions. Have you ever written a post card to people that had disappeared from the earth or didn't exist? Obviously they had to exist in order to be written to and to be addressed.

Was it just Yahshua & James that had this revelation? In I Peter 1:1, Keefa writes to the chosen people living in the Diaspora. The Jewish Diaspora did not happen until 20 years after this epistle was penned in about 50 AD. Yet he refers to these other ten tribes' descendants who have come to faith as "the chosen people". Could it be that Ephraim is just as chosen as Judah? Does that burst your bubble? Poor thing! You thought that only two tribes (Jews) were chosen. The scriptures never once calls the Jewish people chosen. Rather it calls all Israel, of which the Jews are but two parts, the chosen people! Jeremiah 33:24 confirms this truth. Yahuwah states that he has chosen two houses or two clans or two nations! Got that! That is the House Of Israel and the House Of Judah. Peter wrote to the re-gathered House of Israel when addressing his epistle! You want some more New Covenant proof texts that these folks calling themselves Christians are nothing more than the physical descendants of the ten lost tribes? No problem. In First Keefa (Peter) chapter 2 verses 8-10 we see Peter quoting Hosea chapter One. The people who are a royal priesthood a chosen generation and a holy nation are identified by Keefa as nothing more than the former lo-ami and lo-ruhammah of Hosea chapter One! In verse 11 of First Keefa chapter 2, Peter says: You who are now New Covenant Priests and New Covenant Israel once were not a people (lo-ami) and had not obtained compassion and mercy (lo-ruhammah).But now through Yahshua you are restored to a people called ami and receiving ruhammah. This is a clear and direct reference attributing and labeling the body of Yahshua as containing much of the old northern kingdom of Ephraim returning because of Yahuwah's favor through the blood of Messiah.

Did Rav Shaul (Paul) also understand the re-gathering of the twelve tribes of Israel through Yahuwah's Son? Was he able to identify "Christians" in Rome as nothing more than the former House of Ephraim? You bet he did. In Romans chapter 9 verse 24 Rav Shaul states that Yahuwah calls Jews and Gentiles to make up His body as heirs of eternal life. Then in verse 25 of Romans 9 he quotes Hosea chapter One and identifies the born again redeemed Gentiles of his day as the Old Covenant House of Israel (Ephraim). He quotes the lo-ami passage of Hosea One and attributes this to "saved Gentiles". Verses 25 & 26 boldly declares this. Finally in verse 27 he puts the icing on the cake and declares that these "saved Gentiles" not only are the former house of Israel that became the "fullness of the Gentiles", but he even quotes Isaiah stating that out of the entire "sand of the sea" promise to Ephraim regarding physical multiplicity only a remnant of Israelites from all twelve tribes will be saved. Wow! Notice the transition and progression as the saved Gentiles of verse 24 in Romans 9 wind up being identified by Paul as the former house of Israel (ten tribes) spoken of by Isaiah, in the next two verses.

In Ephesians 2:11 Rav Shaul declares that those who got saved as Gentiles are no longer Gentiles! They have a new identity, and that identity is according to verse 12 a citizenship in the commonwealth of Israel. They are Israelites! You cannot be a citizen of a spiritual entity known as "the church" or any other spiritual entity. In order to be a physical citizen of the commonwealth of Massachusetts you have to be a physical being. In order for former Gentiles who by virtue of their acceptance of Messiah have become physical citizens of the house and commonwealth of Israel they must be and in fact are physical Israelites from a different side of the family than Messianic Jews. Verse 19 nails this down for us as Rav Shaul declares that these folks are no longer strangers to the house of Israel but fellow citizens. Citizenship always has been and always will be something on the physical plain. In Galatians 3:29 Rav Shaul refers to born again non Jews as the seed or sperma of Abraham. Now let me ask you an honest question! Does the Greek word for seed (sperma), from where we get the English word sperm, sound like something spiritual or something very physical? Therefore if you belong to Messiah through the new birth, regardless of who you think you are, you are Abraham's sperm! That's why verse 28 says there are no Jews, Greeks men or women there is only Abraham's physical seed that has been redeemed and should be known as new covenant Israel!

Further proof is found in Galatians 4:28 where Rav Shaul refers to non Jewish believers as being exactly like Isaac -- the heir of the physical promise of multiplicity. Was Isaac a physical being or just a spiritual being? He was a spirit-filled-and-led physical being! According to Rav Shaul, that is exactly who the non-Jewish believers are in the New Covenant! In First Corinthians 10:1 Rav Shaul reminds saved Ephraimites that they were once Gentiles, but not any longer. He reminds these non-Jewish Israelites that their fathers (Hebrews) who were led out of Egypt went through the Red Sea and eventually met the Rock (Messiah) just as they had (First Corinthians 10:1-4). In First Corinthians 5:7-8 we see these Ephraimite Israelites keeping Pesach! Only the people of Israel celebrate the Feasts Of Israel!

There are man-made teachings and teachers that place the word "spiritual" in front of the word "fathers" in First Corinthians 10:1 as well as Galatians 3:29 where they add the word "spiritual" before the word "seed", to make it seem as if Christians are only some kind of spiritual seed, or worse yet something called "spiritual Jews." May I remind these teachers that adding to the Word of Yahuwah is a capital offence punishable by death (Proverbs 30:5, Deut. 4:2, Deut.12:32, Rev 22:18). Apparently there are some who either do not understand this truth or who do understand it, but desire to continue to suppress it so that they can keep "saved Ephraimites" in perpetual second class adopted chains worshiping at the throne of Judaism instead of His Son. If non-Jewish believers were totally honest with themselves, most of them carry a deep desire and therefore inner jealousy to be Jewish. That jealousy either causes them to want to convert to any kind of Judaism, even those forms that force a recanting of faith in Yahshua's finished work, or historically the jealousy has and can still turn into raging hatred against the Jew they can never become. Those days are over! This is the day divinely decreed for the restoration of all things (Acts 3:20-21). When Ephraim begins to believe that they are part of physical Israel they will act like Israelites and return to Shabbat, kashrut, moedim, Zionism and aliyah, and will cease to be jealous of the Jews (Isaiah 11:12-14). According to these same verses the day is coming when Jews will recognize Ephraim as their physical brothers in much the same way that all Jacob's sons came to recognize Joseph in Egypt. They thought he was a Gentile and all the while Joseph was an Israelite. Whether Judah recognizes born-again non-Jews as Ephraim does not change the fact that they, like Joseph, are unrecognizable to their brothers. Yet still like Joseph, Ephraim is Joseph's son and Jacob's grandson and is in fact an Israelite experiencing the same lack of recognition that his father Joseph experienced in Egypt. Joseph knew them but they knew not Joseph. Today large segments of Ephraim recognizes chosen, born-again Judah, yet Judah cannot and often will not recognize born-again Ephraim! Yahuwah declares that this vexation of Ephraim by Judah will come to an end through Messiah (Isaiah 11:13-14), when He gathers the outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah from all the earth. Notice how Judah was never outcast like Ephraim, only dispersed.

In Yochanan 10:16 Yahshua said "other sheep I have which are not of this fold. I have to bring them in as well. And they shall hear my voice and there shall be one flock and one shepherd". Notice that Yahshua had another Israelite flock that were still His fold even before He died and arose again. He did not say that he will create a new and separate fold called "the church" made up of pagans with separate practices replacing Torah sometime after His resurrection. He said that He already had two folds -- that He was sent to bring them in, and they will become one flock or one united house.

John (Yochanan) knew the same truth by virtue of his writings in Yochanan (11:49-52). John stated that when Ciaphas prophesied that it was good that Yahshua was dying for Judah, John added that Ciaphas was prophesying that Yahshua would not only die for that nation (Judah), but also the former house of Israel that were scattered abroad 721 years prior to Yahshua's birth! We know this is a reference to the House of Israel (ten tribes) since he calls them a nation (physical people), as well as children of Elohim! They were called children of Israel because Elohim is the Elohim of Israel and they were Israel or children of Elohim even before Yahshua went to the tree of Korban! Notice that the Father's' revealed plan in verse 52 of chapter 11 of John is to gather both nations or houses into one. Even at the time of Yahshua, people's eyes and hearts were being opened to the truth about the family feud perpetuated by Jacob widened by Jeroboam and Rehoboam and in the last two millennia inflamed by the Church vs. Jewish battle royal over the title of who is Israel! The question is fully answered when one realizes that there is only one people of Israel with one Elohim of Israel and one Messiah of Israel and one Torah of Israel and that both houses need to follow the same blueprint for the restoration of all Israel on a level playing field of common ground. Only with the full understanding of the divided two houses of Israel, will the hatred, bitterness, pride and arrogance of Christendom and Judaism towards each other come to a quick and deserving death. Any other solution to the Church vs. Jewish debate will result in more misunderstanding between brethren and the perpetuation of the family feud started by Jacob splitting the birthright between Ephraim and Judah though both were physical and spiritual Israel.

It is comforting to note that according to Isaiah 49 verses 1-6 the Messiah is promised to all Israel and is even referred to as Israel, since Israel's restoration is the personification and primary purpose of His mission. Hosea 11:1 also calls The Messiah, Israel! In Isaiah 49 verse six, we see the Father asking Him if He is prepared to raise up the twelve tribes of Israel by bringing back into the fold those who, though scattered and lost as a nation, would be individually preserved in and amongst the Gentiles in the four corners of the earth for the Messiah's ministry. He did come. He did go looking for preserved individuals physically descended from Ephraim and Judah and has in fact restored these preserved ones. Though these preserved ones may not know who they are, though they may look, act, smell, behave and conduct themselves with all of their father Jeroboam's filthy ways, our Messiah knew where to locate them. He has located them and He has brought them back to the fold on an individual basis not a national basis, as of yet. Interestingly enough the Hebrew word for preserved ones in Isaiah 49:6 is Notzrim or Nazarenes, which is the modern Hebrew word for Christians. It is these preserved born again Ephraimites that would be re-gathered in to the rebuilt Tabernacle of David and would return to the fold of Israel as Nazarenes. Let us recall that the entire early Messianic communities were known as The Nazarenes (Acts 24:5), the preserved ones of returning repentant Israel!

el kabong wrote:Suze doesn't read or test anything, she has never challenged a single fact I have presented, because all my Data is supported by Credentialed Scholars and professional in their respective fields......Suze is Anti Torah/Instruction and Anti Israel......she is actually Anti Messiah and anti Bible, yet look how she quotes the Bible out of context..

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TORAH FOR ALL ISRAELITE NATIONS
By Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
PART 26 IN THE SERIES ON ISRAEL’S LATTER-DAY TWO- HOUSE RESTORATION


THE PROMISE TO END SLAVERY

In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

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Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.

According to Hebraic understanding, there are actually three Adams. There is Adam the first husband of Chavah, the nation of Israel, and the promised Moshaich. Scripture calls Messiah Yahshua the second Adam. But the second physical Adam is actually the personification of the second corporate Adam known as the nation of Israel. This concept can be fully grasped from such scriptures as Hosea 11:1 and Shemot 4:22-23. These scriptures speak of Yahuwah’s three sons as Adam, Israel, and Messiah Yahshua. The second son was to be a light to the nations, as they were called, and ordained to take the light, and liberating truth of Torah to all nations. For that evangelical purpose, all Israel was betrothed to Almighty Yahuwah. Israel was delivered by chesed/grace from Mitzrayim to fulfill Yahuwah’s purpose, as well as to fulfill covenant to the patriarchs. Sadly Israel did not fulfill their divine mission, due to rabbinical fences placed around the Torah to prevent others from enjoying its light, and grace. These manmade additions, and fences designed to keep non-Israelites out of Torah light, was distasteful and displeasing to our Heavenly Abba. Surely He would need to address this issue in the future.

THE SMOKING MOUNTAIN

Scripture teaches that quaking, smoking, light, and thunderings accompanied the giving of Torah according to Shemot/Exodus 20:18-19. All of the people of Israel gathered at Sinai saw the lighting, fire, and smoke, and heard the shofar. This is the only kind of smoking Yahuwah approves of. When all Israel saw this smoking, they backed off, and stood at a distance from fear. In verse 18 the word thunderings is used rather than the singular thunder. The assembly at Sinai when the ecclesia was first born in 1500 BCE, was gathered to see this light and fire show, so they in turn could turn to the nations, and let Yahuwah’s light shine forth. Among the many manifestations was the ongoing thunderings (plural)! According to the understanding of Jewish-Israel, the thunderings were given in the plural form, so that the living oracles of Torah would be given in many tongues or languages, and that all 70 known nations at the time of the exodus would and could receive the grace that Israel was receiving at Sinai. It was Yahuwah’s purpose to deliver His Word in tongues, so that all known nations could and should walk in the light of Torah, as a lamp to their feet, and a light to their path (Tehillim 119:105). The thunderings represented Yahuwah's affirmation that it was always His desire for all nations to hear His Word, not merely the immediate recipients at the base of Sinai. In fact at Sinai, Psalm 138:4 began to take place, as the Torah was given in the tongues of all the earth’s rulers, who in turn would also teach it to their peoples. It was for this reason that the nation heard thunderings not merely thunder!

A TORAH OF TONGUES OF FIRE

The idea and concept that Yahuwah split His voice in 70 tongues, is a Hebraic concept based on both tradition and Torah. His split His voice in order to signify that Torah was for all nations of the earth, not just for the people today known as the Jews or Jewish-Israel. To signify this desire, He split His voice in a supernatural manifestation in 70 differing ways, so that all nations would have an inward desire to hear, walk, and receive the truths of Torah. In due course, they all would receive the exact same chesesd/grace that Israel His son was receiving in person on Sinai, through the nation of Israel. When Yahuwah birthed the ecclesia at Sinai circa 1500 BCE, He supernaturally ordained the thunderings, so as to signify that the sound of Torah was to encompass the globe, and not be limited to that one particular place, time or nation. Israel’s task was to take that same Torah to the nations that had previously rejected Torah, when Yahuwah came personally knocking on their door.

In many ways the nations did to Israel after Sinai what they did to Yahuwah when He came knocking before Sinai according to Devarim 33:2-4. Yahuwah knowing the future, chose Israel who He knew would accept Torah (Shemot/Exodus 5:1). He manifested the Torah to Israel in 70 separate or cloven tongues of fire, in order that Israel return to the nations, and deposit Torah into all nations, even the ones who had earlier rejected Yahuwah’s springing, and shining forth! Israel would inherit this task which is a great calling, since this calling can be considered the initial Great Commission, with Messiah Yahshua's admonition in Matityahu 28:18-20 being the renewal of the Great Commission, given to the same renewed ecclesia that in times past had stood at the foot of Horeb. The inheritance of Torah is for Israel alone but the reception of Torah is for all nations. The rabbis of antiquity recognized Torah as being for all nations, which is why they established the Sanhedrin with 70 elders, with the high priest representing Israel before Yahuwah, and the 70 elders representing the 70 known nations before the high court of Israel.

STANDING IN THE ANCIENT PATHS

In Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 6:16 Yahuwah instructs Israel to find rest in the ancient ways of Torah, as first poured out on Sinai. The sound of the shofar of Sinai was to resonate to all Israel for all times (Bamidbar/Numbers 10:10). The Shabbat and inner shalom for all believers, is found in an immediate return of standing fully clothed with the armor of Yahuwah in the ancient paths. In Matityahu 11:28-29 Yahshua makes reference to Jeremiah 6:16 by stating that He came to the nations to bring them rest, since His yoke is easy, and His burden is light. Yahshua has come to take all nations by the hand, as they return to the paths of ancient Torah. According to this verse, when we come to Moshaich Yahshua we will find rest for our beings. Since we know Israel’s rest is only in eternal Torah, the living King Torah now reiterates that same call by asking all Israel scattered in the nations to come to Him. Since He is the Living Torah by coming to Him for His rest, we return to the rest provided for Israel because Yahshua is the Torah given to Israel that has now come in the flesh (Yochanan/John 1:14). By accepting the living Torah, we are revived by the same Torah that gives peace. Since we know that Moshiach Yahshua only does and teaches His Father’s doctrines, then the rest He offers His talmidim is the rest found when one returns and takes a full-fledged stand for the ancient paths.

THE HOUSE

In Acts 2:1 we find all Messiah’s talmidim in one place. Just like the day on Sinai when all Israel was in one accord, in one place, in one mind of anticipation. In Maaseh Shlechim/Acts 2:1 all the talmidim were where they were supposed to be at the appointed time, (moed/feast) that they were supposed to be meeting. The annual venue for the moed of Shavout was the House of Yahuwah on the mountain of the house or Mt. Moriyah for the Feast of Weeks. THEY WERE NOT, NOR COULD THEY HAVE BEEN GUARDING THE FEAST OF WEEKS IN THE UPPER ROOM! WHY NOT? IF ISRAELITES WENT UP TO JERUSALEM, AND WORSHIPED YAHUWAH IN A SET-APART GATHERING ON MT. OLIVET, RATHER THAN ON MT. MORIYAH, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OPENLY DISOBEYING TORAH. TORAH IS CLEAR, IN THAT THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ARE TO ASCEND MORIYAH TO MEET WITH YAHUWAH IN PERSON, THREE TIMES EVERY YEAR, ACCORDING TO DEVARIM 16:10-11. YAHUWAH CLEARLY CHOSE THE ONE AND ONLY PLACE FOR THE FEAST OF WEEKS, WHERE HE SAID HE WOULD PLACE HIS NAME. MAN COULD NOT CHOOSE THAT PLACE! YET THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE “SO-CALLED CHURCH” HAS DONE, IN CLAIMING, AND PROPAGATING THE MYTH OF THE “UPPER ROOM PENTECOSTAL EXPERIENCE!” PASSOVER, SHAVOUT, AND SUKKOT WERE ALL TO TAKE PLACE ONLY IN THE TEMPLE OR “THE HOUSE”. THE GREEK WORD HOUSE (OIKOS STRONGS #3624) CAN MEAN HOUSE OR TEMPLE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN REFERENCE TO SHAVOUT IT MUST MEAN TEMPLE.

Failure to obey this “in-house” ordinance, while in the land of Israel, while the Temple stood, would not and could not result in the talmidim receiving any divine gift or blessing, let alone the gift of the indwelling Ruach HaKodesh. According to Acts 5:32, He is given ONLY to those who obey Him. So we see that what Israelites were ordained to do yearly, they naturally also did in 33CE. As was their yearly custom, they went to the Temple Mount, and were there in one mind, and one accord seeking Abba Yahuwah. In order to receive the Ruach HaKodesh, they had to be standing in the ancient place of Jeremiah 6:16. The question that begs to be asked is this. Where then does the “upper room” concept come from? The answer is plain but nevertheless sad. The source is s.a.tan, and the text taken out of context is found in Acts 1:13-14, where the disciples are staying in prayer in the upper room with Yahshua's mother.

ECCLESIA BORN AT SINAI

The manmade kirch system has cleverly superimposed the events of Acts 1:13-14 onto and into Acts chapter 2, in order to somehow justify the birth of a new separate entity apart from the historic people of First Covenant Israel. By following through on this nonsense, they develop their doctrine of the “church’s birth at Pentecost”, thus finding a fabricated doctrinal venue with which to replace Jewish-Israel, with the new and improved “kirch", the now infamous Roman based so-called “Spiritual Israel”. As opposed to this traditional church fairy tale, Stephen the first true witness/martyr of Renewed Covenant times, establishes us in truth when in Acts 7:38 he establishes the

BIRTH OF THE “CHURCH”/ECCLESIA/SYNAGOGUE/ISRAEL/ AT SINAI!!!

If IN FACT “the church” was born at Sinai when it initially received the Torah in supernatural tongues of fire, then one would expect all New Covenant [only] churches to have a Torah on display, commemorating the day they were formed from a rag tag band of slaves into a betrothed nation. So when you go to your favorite [hopefully FORMER] “NT ONLY” pastor, and your favorite [former] church, you would expect to find a nice kosher Torah to kiss! And, if you should walk into a church without a Torah or one that considers Torah to be a manifestation of Jewish legalism rather than a manifestation of the Spirit as seen in the tongues of fire, then naturally you should question both yourself, and the pastor. The obvious question would then come to mind. WHAT KIND OF A CHURCH IS THIS? IT DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A TORAH, SINCE BIBLICALLY SPEAKING BASED UPON YAHUWAH’S OWN INSPIRED WORDS IN ACTS 7:38, THE CHURCH/ECCLESIA WAS BORN IN THE WILDERNESS, AT THE GIVING AND RECEPTION OF TORAH!

Therefore any “NT only” pastor, that considers Torah as Jewish legalism designed to keep believers "under the law", ironically has forbidden his church’s birth certificate ANY ENTRY into the assembly. So if you find a church without a Torah, it’s kind of like locating Niagara Falls without water! Is it not? Biblically speaking, a church cannot be a church without a Torah scroll in the sanctuary ark, and the Torah written on the hearts/arks of it members (Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 31:33)!

Well now! Whose report will you believe? Now your choice is clear-cut! Do you accept Stephen’s report through scripture, given under inspiration of the Set-Apart Ruach or do you go with the classical misinterpretations, and the venomous scripture wrestling of the Roman church system, and her harlot unreformed and unrepentant prideful daughters?? The peace/shalom of your very nefesh/soul depends on it. What great peace and shalom there is for those who find their heritage among the people of historic Renewed Covenant Israel!

ONLY 1500 YEARS OFF

In Acts chapter 2 we have the virtual IDENTICAL reenactment of the initial giving of Torah, as it took place on Sinai circa 1500 BCE, with the identical signs and supernatural manifestations. All the elements of the first birth of our nation were also manifest at the initial rebirth of our nation, on the VERY SAME DAY, for the very same people, some 1,500 years apart! The worshippers in the Temple at Shavout/Pentecost in 33CE were not pagans, since pagans did not worship Yahuwah alone, did not confess the Shema alone, and did not travel great distances at great personal expense, to be at the temple of Israel with the people of Israel. No pagans were present in Acts chapter 2. NONE! The reason this concept is so hard for some in the “so-called church” to accept [that only Israelites were present in 33CE] is due to the fact that they have been told that on that very Shavout in 33CE, OLD Israel “officially disappeared”, TO MAKE WAY FOR A NEW ISRAEL. They then needed to insert pagans into a fabricated “upper room Pentecostal fairy tale experience”, in order to justify the continuing existence of a pagan based system of Sun worship and Mithraism, supposedly approved of by Yahuwah, with the supposed evidence of the giving of His Ruach. They either ignorantly or willingly refuse to tell the truth of that day’s exciting, and prophesied events, promised to Israel long ago.

Only Israelites would be dwelling, and worshipping with other Israelites at the focal point of the Israelite worship, and sacrificial system. That day those Israelites saw the same smoke, the same cloven tongues, the same wonders, the same fire, and heard the same shofar, that Israel had fifteen generations earlier. Both arrivals of Torah brought forth identical manifestations. The arrival of the living Torah to Israel, brought about a replica of the arrival of the living oracles given at the birth of the ecclesia on Sinai in the wilderness!

GREAT COMMISSION RENEWED

Matityahu 28:18-20 is the renewal of the Great Commission of Shemot/Exodus 20, as Yahshua our Savior/Yahuwah commands Israel to teach His Father's kingdom as they love their Messiah, and GUARD THE THINGS HE TAUGHT US AS THE LIVING TORAH. With this re-commisioning of the initial Great Commission, Yahshua makes sure that the Good News that we preach is accompanied by the guarding and observing of all His Torah teachings. When we mikvah/immerse and teach, we are not to teach our manmade doctrines. But we are to teach only what Yahshua taught, even as He taught ONLY what His Father taught Israel. Those who falsely teach that tongues were initially manifest for the first time to the “‘so-called church’ in the “upper room”, are ignorant of the very plain truth that the fathers of Israel had received both the gift, and the manifestation of tongues, about 1500 years earlier on Sinai, when the ecclesia was formed. Most Christians feel like the gift of tongues is an evidence of being filled with the Ruach. But our forefathers knew that the receiving of tongues from Yahuwah, was evidence of being filled with His Torah, and His Ruach (Yochanan/John 4:23-24)!

But don’t be too hard on the dispensationalist seminaries/cemeteries, since they are only off by about 1500 years regarding both the birth of the “so-called church”, as well as the manifestation of the cloven tongues of fire falling upon a people, all assembled in one place and in one accord.

The events of Acts chapter 2 is nothing more than the promised rebirth of the ETERNAL covenant people of Yahuwah, with the sealing sign, and wonders being identical to that manifested in Shemot 20. Acts chapter 2 is Yahshua's supernatural work to re-plant Israel back on the ancient paths, in order that Israel may find rest. Yahshua did not come to build a new church or convert Jews to Christianity. He came to bring all who were willing to be Israel into Israel, and to renew and expand Shem’s dwellings initially promised through Noach/Noah (Bereshith 9:27).

AS THE RUACH GIVES UTTERANCE

Now according to Acts 2:4, the talmidim spoke according the utterance given by Yahuwah the Ruach Himself. Only the Galileans spoke that which Yahuwah wanted spoken on that day in different languages, so that all returning Israelites could understand the Good News of the kingdom in their own foreign tongue. Among these feast keeping biological Israelites were also Yah-fearers or full converts, and also those who were proselytes or had just joined Israel, and had just begun to mature in their process to re-join Israel. So whether these feast keepers were biological, fully assimilated mature Yah-fearers or merely proselytes who had just begun their Israelite journey, it is plain to see, that all were ALREADY considered a PHYSICAL part of Israel, at various stages of return and commitment.

In order for the Shavout utterances to be of Yahuwah, the talmidim had to be speaking the very Words that Messiah spoke, and we have already established that Messiah spoke only the Words of the Father. So any utterance in tongues by the disciples had to be Torah based, and Torah centered, since the returning Israelites had previously accepted the Messiah, the actual living Torah. Yahshua said that He would send the Ruach to bring to all, the exact remembrance of His teachings, which are the identical ones given to Him by His Father Abba-Yahuwah. So any utterances given in the Ruach, and truly originating from the Ruach, must declare both the King’s resurrection, and His Torah.

The King would not allow the Spirit to utter any tongue other than what was originally uttered by Abba from heaven at Sinai, and by Messiah in Judea while on earth. So all tongues emanating from the Ruach, must be King centered and Torah regulated! Tongues were given to renew Torah to Israelites in Yahuwah’s House, who were tarrying in a spirit of anticipation, expectation, and hunger. That day on Shavout in 33CE, He did not disappoint His people. The Ruach came to bring scattered Yisrael BACK into the kingdom. The Ruach came to testify of the true coming kingdom of Yahuwah, when both houses will fully return in repentance, and submission. It is the blood of Messiah, and the Ruach of Messiah that has brought all nations into redeeming grace, and Torah favor, and that enables all it’s citizens to inherit Yahuwah’s eternal kingdom. On Shavout 33 CE the kingdom had begun to be restored. Obviously that task will be done fully by Messiah Himself when He returns, and not before (SEE PART 19 WHEN WILL WE BE ONE? at www.yourarmstoisrael.org).

Since Yisrael had been wandering all the nations for 721 years prior to Messiah, lost sheep from both houses were now speaking all the languages from all the nations where they were living in exile. In order for Yahuwah to reach them with the Good News, He split his voice AGAIN as He did at Sinai, so that all seeking citizens of Israel’s Commonwealth could take hold of the message of the living oracles, as found in the person of Yahshua the Nazarene! So what was delivered in different languages (perhaps 120?) had to be a renewal through internalization of the exact same Words of Torah given externally on Horeb. Horeb means sword in Hebrew, and we know that the Word of Messiah (Torah) is the sharp two-edged sword able to bring both houses of returning Israel, partially assembled that day on Mt. Moriah, back to full repentance.

TORAH IN ARABIC?

In addition to bringing back to remembrance, and internalizing the ancient words of paleo/ancient Torah, the Ruach was promised to also bring back the Words of Yahshua Himself, the living Torah. Therefore for an utterance in tongues to be from Yahuwah, it must speak according to the witness of resurrection life in Messiah, and the eternal Words of ancient Torah that He came to renew. According to Isaiah 8:20 if any utterance was to come that was not Torah based (the law), and failed to give witness of Moshiach’s physical resurrection (the testimony), it did not possess the light of Yahuwah’s truth. However we know that the Rauch fell with the same identical, manifestations as when Torah shone forth on Sinai, and so lightning and fire were part of the wonders seen that day in 33CE, signifying that the utterances in tongues did in fact contain the testimony of resurrection, and the instructions (Torah) of the Set-Apart One of Israel. One of the tongues interestingly enough was Arabic (Acts 2:11). And so we see here that the Good News, and the Torah were given in Arabic BY YAHUWAH, some 600 years BEFORE REVELATION WAS SUPPOSEDLY GIVEN TO MOHAMMED in something called the Koran. When Yahuwah spoke both the Torah, and the testimony in Arabic, it was to bring Arabs into Israel’s glorious commonwealth, and eternally secured national destiny.

TONGUES OF FIRE

When tongues were manifested on Sinai, they were done so to declare Yahuwah’s wondrous Words. So the Spirit in the House of Yahuwah, in order to be of Yahuwah, had to be saying the same things to the same people from the same source or we are faced with a Yahuwah who has changed. Since we know He does not, and cannot change, then neither will He allow His voice to speak Torah in tongues on Sinai, and then allow the same Spirit to speak against Torah in tongues to a different nation, and a different bride in order to establish a new ecclesia apart from historic First Covenant Israel. Only a blinded dispensationalist zealot would argue for this kind of fallacious mind stream. These “cemetarians “teach that the Spirit that was used to adopt eternal Israel, and proclaim eternal Torah, was later sent in 33CE to reject eternal Israel, and nail eternal Torah to a Roman cross. Would that be consistency, and immutability, which are Yahuwah’s great attributes, or would that be spiritual schizophrenia also known as dispensationalism/ and, replacement theology? Displenstionalism, and Replacement Theology are unclean sisters. For one cannot thrive nor survive without the other. For those who rightfully reject dispensationalism, there exists no new bride to replace the old bride, and thus the one bride continues to flourish unabated through Messiah's redemption, and internal regeneration! The same Ruach of grace that took Israel out from Mitzrayim/Egypt is now giving Torah afresh by that same Spirit of grace.

In Devarim/Deut. 4:36 we see that Yahuwah LET Israel hear His voice. It was not any sort of birthright but rather a graceful manifestation. His voice of grace was accompanied by FIRE, for Yahuwah showed forth or manifested His voice in tongues, in and through the FIRE. Israel was said to “hear His Words out of the midst of the fire”. The instructions of the Torah came through the fire, accompanied by the thunderings or tongues. Yahuwah gave Israel His Torah in tongues accompanied with fire. Yahuwah allowed these manifestations to occur while Israel heard His voice. Then 1,500 years later, He allowed that same nation keeping one of the three foot/ascension festivals, to hear the same voice, with the same great fire and tongues. They heard the Word in tongues but saw the fire. When Moshe had been called to redeem Israel, Yahuwah also caused His voice to be heard in and through the fire. So the events of Acts chapter 2 are Yahuwah’s allowance to reenact the very events, and the very methodology to the very same people, that had been graced to receive His voice, and His instructions on Mt. Sinai. Yahuwah declared His wonders on Sinai! After Messiah's resurrection, He once again declared His wonders.

WONDERS DECLARED

Now let us set our minds to determine the true meaning of the word wonders found in Acts 2:11. According to Acts 2:11 all those who had joined themselves to Israel, and had thus become Israel, heard and saw Yahuwah’s WONDERS or His GREAT DEEDS! Yahuwah’s voice also declared WONDERS on Sinai. On Moriah at Shavout in 33CE Yahuwah likewise again declared His wonders. Once we determine for sure that wonders is a synonym for Torah, we’ll see that the tongues of the Ruach are designed to deliver Torah instruction for righteous living, and honor its source/authority Yahshua/Yahuwah! So we as Israelites are to ENCOURAGE TONGUE TALKING, IF THE UTTERANCE IS IN FACT FROM THE RUACH! And how can we know if it’s from the Ruach? It must declare Yahuwah’s wonders. And by scriptural understanding wonders is another word for the living Torah, and the written Torah. The tongues of Shavout 33CE were not strange choppy kirch gibberish, found today on Sun-Day mornings. No! Not at all. It was the ecclesia receiving the Words of Sinai internally.

A simple search on the term “the wonders” of Yahuwah will reveal one simple basic and underlying truth. That the term wonders always did, and always will be synonymous with the marvels of Torah. This is seen in Tehillim 119:7-8. The psalmist beseeches Yahuwah that he may behold WONDERS OF, AND FROM TORAH. Psalm 119:129-130 states that the Torah is the Word of light, and of WONDER. Psalm 145:5 declares the mitzvoth of Yahuwah, as the wondrous works of Yahuwah. In Yeshayahu/Isaiah 28:26 Yahuwah Elohim is said to be the One to give ,and ordain right rulings/chukim. Then in Isaiah 28:29 these very rulings or chukim are said to be A WONDERFUL COUNSELOR! Since we know Yahshua is the living Torah, and that it was said of Messiah that He was GIVEN TO ISRAEL (UNTO US WAS BORN AND GIVEN) AS THE WONDERFUL COUNSELOR (Isaiah 9:6). So if Yahshua, and written Torah are both considered Wonderful Counselor, how can the Set-Apart Spirit of that same Wonderful Counselor give forth any other words or instructions on Shavout 33CE, other than the ones of the WRITTEN AND LIVING WONDERFUL COUNSELOR?

Remember. Tongues were given as Ruach filled utterances to testify in all languages, even in Arabic, the WONDERS OF Torah. Most tongue chopping gibberish in churches today, do not speak the words, mind, or wisdom of the wonderful Words, of Torah counsel, and therefore are not truly from Yahuwah, though oftentimes some may have a show of wisdom. Tongues given on Shabbat in a Shabbat meeting to Light-filled Torah honoring disciples glorifying Yahuwah’s Son, and His Torah, can and should be allowed supernatural manifestations. For those gatherings are replicas of the 33CE Shavout experience, which was a replica of the Sinai experience. As Rav Shaul said, [since you are all Israelites] "I would that you would all speak in tongues”(1 Cor. 14:5), since in Rav Shaul’s mind, tongues, and Torah were sending a synonymous message. So those in the Sabbath churches that are not really Messianic Torah assemblies but merely Sunday churches meeting on Shabbat, who often get all riled up when hearing utterances in tongues should learn to relax in Yahuwah’s truth. The source of the tongue, as well as the message of the tongue, indicates its validity or lack thereof. Its validity is not determined by one’s comprehension or lack of comprehension of the utterance itself.

BEWARE

Beware of those who claim that all tongue talking is automatically from the devil. There still remains a remnant group of Torah honoring tongue talkers, whose message both glorifies Messiah Yahshua, AND THE ETERNAL WONDERS OF TORAH. Biblically the declaring of Yahuwah’s wonders is to declare His eternal Torah. The warning of “blasphemy against the Ruach” found in Matityahu 12:31-32, is CLEARLY defined by Messiah, as incorrectly, and adamantly attributing the manifestations, and workings of Yahuwah to s.a.tan. Those who describe all tongue talking as demonic maybe guilty of this unpardonable sin! Be warned, be sober, and be most careful before bringing this charge, so that you do not stand condemned, and so you do not throw out the Israelite Torah baby along with the Roman bath water.

ON THE OTHER HAND

On the other hand, there were not 120 private mumbo jumbo sessions or “private utterances” that were completely unrelated. Rather the message was always related to the King's resurrection, and His eternal Torah instruction, in all languages, and dialects. The dialect varied but the underlying message remained the same. How different that is from today’s mumbo-jumbo unrelated private utterances in Sun Day assemblies, that mostly teach that grace has replaced Torah, as if somehow the unmerited exodus, the unmerited blood of the Paschal lamb, and the unmerited giving of Torah as the betrothal certificate to Messiah’s body, were not events of unmerited favor.

A MAJOR/MAJOR FEAST

Let both redeemed houses of Israel commence to see Shavout as the major feast that it truly is, (even being greater than Yom Teruah/incorrectly called Jewish Rosh HaShannah, and certainly equal to Yom Kippur) as it speaks of both the King, and His constitution becoming real to His people. It is the feast of dual celebration, as all Israel celebrates all things that pertain to her life and set-apartness. Both the Torah, and the King's Ruach were poured out on that same day, some 1,500 years apart, making Shavout one of the more important feasts, and one of only three ascension feasts. It remains the last of the spring feasts, having been fully fulfilled, and therefore is said to have “fully come” to all Israel.

Selah.

el kabong wrote:........................suze 'claims' without any supporting evidence, that the Hebrew word Mizraim 'means' the Americas, she pulls that out of her ass without any supporting evidence whatsoever....look at the above Timeline.......Here is the actual Biblical/Historical definition of the words: Mizraim....and Tsiyon/Zion...........let here stand toe to toe and debate that.......where is her counter evidence?.......up her woo woo ass?

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Yep, BULLSHIT!
AUSTRALIA, OZ, O'Zion

Yes, it is Super Bullshit with Free Lollipops that anyone idioticly attempts to connect Australia with Zion/Tsiyon. It is proof that they are a lair

Show any connexion with Zion to Australia.

Mizraim means Egypt. Zion is Israel, NOT Australia

Europe is a LARGER Continent then Australia. As a matter of FACT; Australia is the SMALLEST/RUNT Continent. And as large it may be, the size of your EGO makes it uncomfortably confining. But hey, that's only one of your many lies and deceptions. Let's talk about Mizraim, the Hebrew word for Egypt. You say it isn't. Where is your credentialed support for your ignorant nonsense?

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Mizraim.html

Meaning and etymology of the name Mizraim
Mizraim

Mizraim is a son of Ham, son of Noah (Genesis 12:10). This name is also the common name for Egypt (which is also known as 'the land of Ham,', for instance in Psalm 105:23).

Egypt was known by the names Musuru, Musru, Misir or Masri in other languages, and Mizraim is probably simply a phonetic transliteration into Hebrew of any of them. The word looks identical to what a dual form of would look like (see below). This duality possibly helped to denote Upper and Lower Egypt. The word for Egyptian is .

The similar (masor), a poetic nickname for Egypt that is used on three different occasions (Isaiah 19:6, 2 Kings 19:24 = Isaiah 37:25, Micah 7:12), may shed some understanding on how a Hebrew audience might have interpreted the name Mizraim.

The noun (masor) means siege, entrenchment, and it derives from the verb (sur), bind, besiege. Another derivation of this same verb is the noun , stronghold. HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament notes that a stronghold or walled city may be an instrument of protection during the first stages of a war, but will turn into a lethal trap if a siege last long. A beautiful figurative use of this word occurs in Psalm 31:21, where the author compares himself under siege by his troubles.

The verb from which the noun derives, is part of a group of five different roots. These roots all have different linguistic sources but were perhaps readily incorporated into the Hebrew language due to similar or related meanings, more or less:
(swr) is the assumed root of the words (sawwar), neck and (sawwaron), necklace. The neck is simply a part of the body, but figuratively it is used as seat of strength (Job 39:19) and subsequently as target of defeat (by the placing of the victor's foot on the neck of the conquered - Joshua 10:24). The similarity between a necklace and a besieging army is obvious.
The verb (sur) means to bind or besiege; referred to above.
The verb (sur) means show hostility to, be an adversary. According to BDB Theological Dictionary and HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, this verb is probably a by-form of (sarar), see below.
The verb (sur) means to form or fashion. According to HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, this verb is possibly a by-form of (yasar), form or fashion.
The noun (sur) does not occur in the Bible, but is probably related to words in cognate languages that mean rock or hill. A derivative that does occur in the Bible is (sur), the common Biblical word for rock. BDB Theological Dictionary suggests relations with (sara), see below.

The words and are linguistically closely related. Their respective meanings also shows much kinship:
The verb (sarar) means to bind, be narrow/ confined, be in distress. Derivatives are: (sar), narrow, tight; (sar), distress; (sara), straights, distress; (sarar), suffer distress; (seror), bundle; (mesar), straights, distress. The latter word written in a dual form would yield the name , Mizraim. Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names assumed that this is what Mizraim would have meant to a Hebrew audience and reads Double Distress.
The verb (sarar) means show hostility towards. Derivation (sar) means adversary.
The assumed root (srr) is unused in the Bible but in Arabic it means be sharp. Its common derivative is (sar), pebble, flint.

The name Mizraim means Double Distress or Double Stronghold.



Bible Dictionary

Mizraim definition


the dual form of matzor, meaning a "mound" or "fortress," the name of a people descended from Ham (Gen. 10:6, 13; 1 Chr. 1:8, 11). It was the name generally given by the Hebrews to the land of Egypt (q.v.), and may denote the two Egypts, the Upper and the Lower. The modern Arabic name for Egypt is Muzr.

Mizraim From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim
Mizraim (Hebrew: מִצְרַיִם / מִצְרָיִם, Modern Mitzráyim Tiberian Miṣrāyim / Miṣráyim ; cf. Arabic مصر, Miṣr) is the Hebrew name for the land of Egypt, with the dual suffix -āyim, perhaps referring to the "two Egypts": Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt.

Ugaritic inscriptions refer to Egypt as Msrm, in the Amarna tablets it is called Misri, and Assyrian and Babylonian records called Egypt Musur and Musri. The Arabic word for Egypt is Misr (pronounced Masr in Egyptian colloquial Arabic), and Egypt's official name is Gumhuriyah Misr al-'Arabiyah (the Arab Republic of Egypt).

According to Genesis 10, Mizraim (a son of Ham) was the younger brother of Cush and elder brother of Phut and Canaan, whose families together made up the Hamite branch of Noah's descendants. Mizraim's sons were Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, Casluhim (out of whom came Philistim), and Caphtorim.[1]

According to Eusebius' Chronicon, Manetho had suggested that the great age of antiquity in which the later Egyptians boasted had actually preceded the flood, and that they were really descended from Mizraim, who settled there anew. A similar story is related by medieval Islamic historians such as Sibt ibn al-Jawzi, the Egyptian Ibn Abd-el-Hakem, and the Persians al-Tabari and Muhammad Khwandamir, stating that the pyramids, etc. had been built by the wicked races before the deluge, but that Noah's descendant Mizraim (Masar or Mesr) was entrusted with reoccupying the region afterward. The Islamic accounts also make Masar the son of a Bansar or Beisar and grandson of Ham, rather than a direct son of Ham, and add that he lived to the age of 700. Some scholars think it likely that Mizraim is a dual form of the word Misr meaning "land", and was translated literally into Ancient Egyptian as Ta-Wy (the Two Lands) by early pharaohs at Thebes, who later founded the Middle Kingdom.

But according to George Syncellus, the Book of Sothis, supposedly by Manetho, had identified Mizraim with the legendary first pharaoh Menes, said to have unified the Old Kingdom and built Memphis. Misraim also seems to correspond to Misor, said in Phoenician mythology to have been father of Taautus who was given Egypt, and later scholars noticed that this also recalls Menes, whose son or successor was said to be Athothis.

In Judaism, Mitzrayim has been connected with the word meitzar (מיצר), meaning "sea strait", possibly alluding to narrow gulfs from both sides of Sinai peninsula. It also can mean "boundaries, limits, restrictions" or "narrow place".[citation needed]

However, author David Rohl has suggested a different interpretation: "Amongst the followers of Meskiagkasher [Cush] was his younger 'brother' -- in his own right a strong and charismatic leader of men. He is the head of the falcon tribe -- the descendants of Horus the 'Far Distant'. The Bible calls this new Horus-king 'Mizraim' but this name is, in reality, no more than an epithet. It means 'follower of Asr' or 'Asar' (Arabic m-asr with the Egyptian preposition m 'from'). Mizraim is merely m-Izra with the majestic plural ending 'im'. Likewise, that other great Semitic-speaking people -- the Assyrians -- called the country of the pharaohs 'Musri' (m-Usri)." [2]

Genesis 10 - The Table of Nations
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0110.htm
The tenth chapter of Genesis . . . stands absolutely alone in ancient literature, without a remote parallel, even among the Greeks, where we find the closest approach to a distribution of peoples in genealogical framework . . . The Table of Nations remains an astonishing accurate document. (William F. Albright, cited in Boice)

A. The descendants of Japheth.

1. (1) The three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

2. (2) The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

a. The sons of Japheth: He was the father of the Indo-European peoples, those stretching from India to the shores of Western Europe. They are each linked by linguistic similarities that often seem invisible to the layman but are much more obvious to the linguist.

b. Gomer: From this son of Japheth came the Germanic peoples, from whom came most of the original peoples of Western Europe. These include the original French, Spanish, and Celtic settlers.

c. Magog . . . Tubal, Meshech: These settled in the far north of Europe and became the Russian peoples.

d. Madai: From this son of Japheth came the ancient Medes and they populated what are now Iran and Iraq. The peoples of India also came from this branch of Japheth’s family.

e. Javan: From this son of Japheth came the ancient Greeks, whose sea-faring ways are described in Genesis 10:5.

3. (3) The sons of Gomer.

The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

a. Ashkenaz: From this son of Gomer came the peoples who settled north of Judea into what we call the Fertile Crescent.

b. Togarmah: From this son of Gomer came the Armenians.

4. (4-5) The sons of Javan (the ancient Greeks).

The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

a. The sons of Javan were: Geographic names that spring from these names in this chapter abound. Linguists have no trouble seeing the connection between Kittim and Cyprus, Rodanim and Rhodes, Gomer and Germany, Meschech and Moscow, Tubal and Tobolsk.

B. The descendants of Ham.

1. (6) The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

a. Ham: The descendants of Ham are the peoples who populated Africa and the Far East.

b. Cush: Apparently, this family divided into two branches early. Some founded Babylon (notably, Nimrod) and others founded Ethiopia.

c. Mizraim: This is another way the Bible refers to Egypt. Put refers to Libya, the region of North Africa west of Egypt. Canaan refers to the peoples who originally settled the land we today think of as Israel and its surrounding regions.
2. (7-12) The sons of Cush.

The sons of Cush were Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan. Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.” And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. From that land he went to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (that is the principal city).



a. Cush begot Nimrod: One son of Cush worthy of note is Nimrod. He was a mighty one on the earth, but not in a good way. He ruled over Babel, which was the first organized rebellion of humans against God. The name Nimrod itself means, “let us rebel.”



b. Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord: The context shows that this is not a compliment of Nimrod. The idea is that Nimrod was an offense before the face of God.



i. “This is not talking about Nimrod’s ability to hunt wild game. He was not a hunter of animals. He was a hunter of men - a warrior. It was through his ability to fight and kill and rule ruthlessly that his kingdom of the Euphrates valley city states was consolidated.” (Boice)



ii. A Jerusalem Targum says: “He was powerful in hunting and in wickedness before the Lord, for he was a hunter of the sons of men, and he said to them, ‘Depart from the judgment of the Lord, and adhere to the judgment of Nimrod!’ Therefore it is said: ‘As Nimrod the strong one, strong in hunting, and in wickedness before the Lord.’ ”



iii. Ginzberg quotes from a Jewish legend: “The great success that attended all of Nimrod’s undertakings produced a sinister effect. Men no longer trusted in God, but rather in their own prowess and ability, an attitude to which Nimrod tried to convert the whole world.”

iv. “Hence it is likely that Nimrod, having acquired power, used it in tyranny and oppression; and by rapine and violence founded the domination which was the first distinguished by the name of a kingdom on the face of the earth. How many kingdoms have been founded in the same way, in various ages and nations from that time to the present! From the Nimrods of the earth, God deliver the world!” (Clarke)

3. (13-14) The sons of Mizraim.

Mizraim begot Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim (from whom came the Philistines and Caphtorim).

4. (15-19) The sons of Canaan.

Canaan begot Sidon his firstborn, and Heth; the Jebusite, the Amorite, and the Girgashite; the Hivite, the Arkite, and the Sinite; the Arvadite, the Zemarite, and the Hamathite. Afterward the families of the Canaanites were dispersed. And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon as you go toward Gerar, as far as Gaza; then as you go toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.

a. Canaan begot Sidon: The family of Sidon, the son of Canaan, went north and is related to the Hittites and Lebanese.

b. And the Sinite: Many people believe the Oriental peoples descended from the Sinites.

5. (20) The spread of the descendants of Ham.

These were the sons of Ham, according to their families, according to their languages, in their lands and in their nations.

C. The descendants of Shem.

1. (21-22) The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram.

And children were born also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder. The sons of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram.

a. Children were born also to Shem: From Shem comes Elam, who was an ancestor to the Persian peoples; Asshur, who was the father of the Assyrians; Lud was father to the Lydians who lived for a time in Asia Minor; and Aram was father to the Arameans, who we also know as the Syrians. Arphaxad was the ancestor to Abram and the Hebrews.

2. (23) The sons of Aram.

The sons of Aram were Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash.

a. Uz: Later, a region in Arabia was named after this son of Aram.

Job came from the land of Uz (Job 1:1).

3. (24-30) The sons and descendants of Arphaxad.

Arphaxad begot Salah, and Salah begot Eber. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. Joktan begot Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal, Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan. And their dwelling place was from Mesha as you go toward Sephar, the mountain of the east.

a. All these were the sons of Joktan: The names under the son of Joktan (son of Eber, son of Salah, son of Arphaxad) are all associated with various Arabic peoples.

b. And Jobab: The one named Jobab may be the one we know as Job in the Old Testament.

4. (31) The spread of the descendants of Shem.

These were the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, in their lands, according to their nations.
5. (32) Summary statement: the nations after the flood.

These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.

a. “Hence one must consider this chapter of Genesis a mirror in which to discern that we human beings are, namely, creatures so marred by sin that we have no knowledge of our own origin, not even of God Himself, our Creator, unless the Word of God reveals these sparks of divine light to us from afar . . . This knowledge the Holy Scriptures reveal to us. Those who are without them live in error, uncertainty, and boundless ungodliness; for they have no knowledge about who they are and whence they came.” (Luther, cited in Boice)


MIZRAIM = EGYPT



You also deceive about the Replacement/Superssessionism Theology......This is Strike 3 and a few more to go.

http://www.biblestudyproject.org/israel3.1-replacement-theology-messianic.htm

The Truth

We believe Israel is God's special people, distinct from the body of Messiah, chosen by Him to be a holy nation and a Kingdom of priests. The election of Israel is irrevocable. . . . We believe the Abrahamic Covenant is an irrevocable, unconditional covenant God made with Jewish people. This covenant provides title to the land of Israel for the Jewish people and promises a descendant (the Messiah) who would come to redeem Israel and bless the entire world. The spiritual blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant overflow to all the nations. God will ultimately fulfill every aspect of the covenant in the Messianic Kingdom, both physical and spiritual. . . .

Your LIE!!!!!!!

A. SUPERSESSIONISM OR REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

The meaning of this doctrine is that the church superseded or replaced Israel as God's covenant people. The three claims presented under this heading are:
1. God has rejected Israel,
2. the church has replaced Israel as God's covenant people, and
3. the church is therefore spiritual Israel.

If God has rejected Israel, then that clears the way for a replacement people; and if that people is the church, then the church may be considered spiritual Israel. It is also conceivable that some who believe that Israel is still God's covenant people would consider the church spiritual Israel because it is composed of people whose spirits have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. We will now hold the light of Scripture to these claims and possibilities.

Paul follows his emphatic response with, for I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. . . . What is his point? If God had rejected Israel as His covenant people, then every Israelite would be disqualified from the possibility of being saved; yet he is an Israelite who is saved, and that proves that God has not rejected His people.

To sum up, we have noticed two proofs that God has not rejected Israel as His covenant people:
1. By the very meaning of May it never be! in the way that Paul used it in different contexts.
2. By the fact that Paul was a saved Israelite.

Nevertheless, we'll address several passages that need clarification.

b. Romans 11:1-5

1. I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? 3. "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE." 4. But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL." 5. In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice.

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)
http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

These are serious errors/deformations in your Theology and Worldview. What do you have to say for yourself. You gibber on and on about being persecuted yet you, yourself; are the persecuter. You lie about the Jews and their Sacred scriptures and you attempt to steal their identity and destiny, without being able to read/write Hebrew. Your ignorance and hubris is appalling Capiche?










Zion/Zionism

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

Some theologies, e.g., ancient Epicureanism and modern Deism, believe in a god, or gods, but think they have nothing much to do with the world in which we live. Others, like Stoicism, believe that god, or “the divine,” or “the sacred” is simply a dimension of our world, so that “god” and the world end up being pretty much the same thing. Both of these can give birth to practical or theoretical atheism. The first can let its “god” get so far away that he disappears. This is what happened with Marx and Feuerbach in the nineteenth century, allowing the “absentee landlord” of eighteenth-century Deism to become simply an absentee. The second can get so used to various “gods” around the place that it ceases to care much about them. This is what happened with a good deal of ancient paganism in Greece and Rome, until, as Pliny wryly remarks, the arrival of Christianity stirred up pagans to a fresh devotion to their gods.[9]

The Jews believed in a quite different “god.” This god, YHWH, “the One Who Is,” the Sovereign One, was not simply the objectification of forces and drives within the world, but was the maker of all that exists. Several biblical books, or parts thereof, are devoted to exploring the difference between YHWH and the pagan idols: Daniel, Isaiah 40-55, and a good many Psalms spring obviously to mind. The theme is summed up in the Jewish daily prayer: “YHWH our God, YHWH is one!”[10]

Classic Jewish monotheism, then, believed that (a) there was one God, who created heaven and earth and who remained in close and dynamic relation with his creation; and that (b) this God had called Israel to be his special people. This twin belief, tested to the limit and beyond through Israel’s checkered career, was characteristically expressed through a particular narrative: the chosen people were also the rescued people, liberated from slavery in Egypt, marked out by the gift of Torah, established in their land, exiled because of disobedience, but promised a glorious return and final settlement. Jewish-style monotheism meant living in this story and trusting in this one true God, the God of creation and covenant, of Exodus and Return.

This God was utterly different from the pantheist’s “one god.” This is an important point to note: many, including many scholars, have blithely assumed that because Stoics and others talked about “one god” they were saying the same thing as the Jews. This God was also utterly different from the far-away ultra-transcendent gods of the Epicureans. Always active within his world, did he not feed the young ravens when they called upon him?[11]—he could be trusted to act more specifically on behalf of Israel. His eventual overthrow of pagan power at the political would be the revelation of his overthrow of the false gods of the nations. His vindication of his people, liberating them finally from all their oppressors, would also be the vindication of his own name and reputation. In justifying his people, he would himself be justified. In his righteousness, his covenant faithfulness, they would find their own.

This monotheism was never, in our period, an inner analysis of the being of the one God. It was always a way of saying, frequently at great risk: our God is the true God, and your gods are worthless idols. It was a way of holding on to hope. We can see the dynamic of this monotheism working its way out in the manifold crises of second-temple Judaism, with the Maccabees, Judas the Galilean, and above all the two wars of the late 60s and early 130s A.D. revealing how the creational and covenantal theology and worldview remained at work through the period and in different groups.

This God was both other than the world and continually active within it. The words “transcendent” and “immanent,” we should note, are pointers to this double belief, but do not clarify it much. Because this God is thus simultaneously other than his people and present with them, Jews of Jesus’ day had developed several ways of speaking about the activity of this God in which they attempted to hold together, because they dared not separate, these twin truths. Emboldened by deep-rooted traditions, they explored what appears to us a strange, swirling sense of a rhythm of mutual relations within the very being of the one God: a to-and-fro, a give-and-take, a command-and-obey, a sense of love poured out and love received. God’s Spirit broods over the waters, God’s Word goes forth to produce new life, God’s Law guides his people, God’s Presence or Glory dwells with them in fiery cloud, in tabernacle and temple. These four ways of speaking moved to and fro from metaphor to trembling reality-claim and back again. They enabled Jews to speak simultaneously of God’s sovereign supremacy and his intimate presence, of his unapproachable holiness and his self-giving compassionate love.

Best known of all is perhaps a fifth. God’s Wisdom is his handmaid in creation, the firstborn of his works, his chief of staff, his delight. God’s Wisdom is another way of talking about God present with his people in the checkered careers of the patriarchs and particularly in the events of the Exodus. Wisdom becomes closely aligned thereby with Torah and Shekinah.[12] Through the Lady Wisdom of Proverbs 1-8, the creator has fashioned everything, especially the human race. To embrace Wisdom is therefore to discover the secret of being truly human, of reflecting God’s image.[13]............................Out of all this, I have argued in various places that we can, as historians, properly reconstruct Jesus of Nazareth’s sense of vocation. We can study John the Baptist’s vocation, and Paul’s: why should we not study Jesus’? When we do so, we find that dozens and dozens of lines of inquiry converge to produce a well ordered, coherent, historically credible sense of vocation, emerging in central symbolic actions, hinted at in a hundred cryptic and teasing sayings. Jesus believed he was Israel’s Messiah, the one in whom Israel’s history was to be summed up. Jesus believed he would win the messianic victory over the real enemy and would build the true messianic temple through taking Israel’s fate upon himself and going to the cross. Jesus believed that in doing so he was not just pointing to or talking about, but was actually embodying, the return of YHWH to Zion. These, though striking and startling, emerge from the world of Second Temple Judaism like the flower growing suddenly out of the plant. They were not expected, but upon inspection this is where they belonged. All the elements of the package were around somewhere in the culture. They are not, repeat not, a retrojection of later Christian theology, not even of later NT theology, which by and large developed in other legitimate ways. They are only credible, but they are totally credible, as the historically reconstructed mindset of Jesus himself. And they form, not the substance of later atonement and incarnational theology, but its historical starting point.

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I have argued elsewhere that a central feature of Jewish expectation, and kingdom expectation at that, in Jesus’ time was the hope that YHWH would return in person to Zion. Having abandoned Jerusalem at the time of the exile, his return was delayed, but he would come back at last. Within this context, someone who told cryptic stories about a king or a master who went away, left his servants with tasks to perform, and then returned to see how they were getting on must—not “might,” must point to this controlling, over-arching metanarrative. Of course, the later Church, forgetting the first century Jewish context, read such stories as though they were originally about Jesus himself going away and then returning in a “second coming.” Of course, cautious scholars noticing this, deny that Jesus would have said such things. I propose that here at the heart of Jesus’ work, and at the moment of its climax, Jesus not only told stories about the king, who came back to Zion to judge and to save. He acted as though he thought the stories were coming true in what he himself was accomplishing. This is the context, at last, in which I think it best to approach the question with which this essay began.........................................And Jesus seems to have believed it about himself. The language was deeply coded, but the symbolic action was not. He was coming to Zion, doing what YHWH had promised to do. He explained his action with riddles all pointing in the same direction. Recognize this, and you start to see it all over the place, especially in parables and actions whose other layers have preoccupied us. Why, after all, does Jesus tell a story about a yearning father in order to account for his own behavior?[36] It is this that also accounts for his sovereign attitude to Torah, his speaking on behalf of Wisdom, and his announcement of forgiveness of sins.[37] By themselves none of these would be conclusive. Even if they are allowed to stand as words and actions of Jesus, they remain cryptic. But predicate them of the same young man who is then on his way to Jerusalem to confront the powers that be with the message and the action of the kingdom of God and who tells stories as he does which are best interpreted as stories of YHWH returning to Zion, then you have reached. I believe, the deep heart of Jesus’ own sense of vocation. He believed himself called to do and be what in the scriptures only Israel’s God did and was.

..................................What are we therefore saying about the earthly Jesus? In Jesus himself, I suggest we see the biblical portrait of YHWH come to life: the loving God, rolling up his sleeves (Isa 52:10) to do in person the job that no one else could do, the creator God giving new life the God who works through his created world and supremely through his human creatures, the faithful God dwelling in the midst of his people, the stern and tender God relentlessly opposed to all that destroys or distorts the good creation, and especially human beings, but recklessly loving all those in need and distress. “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd; he shall carry the lambs in his arms; and gently lead those that are with young” (Isa 40:11). It is the OT portrait of YHWH, but it fits Jesus like a glove. ...............

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Apparently you don't know shit about 'ZION'.

http://mashiyach.com/

The Kingdom of Elohim is represented by Tsiyon (pronounced Tsee-yone or Zion in English), a literal place in Jerusalem, that symbolizes a spiritual place, the seat of Mashiyach's government on this earth. Originally Zion was a small location in Jerusalem, then it became a code name for the whole city of Jerusalem.



For it is said in the Scripture, “Behold, in Tsiyon I lay a chosen and precious stone for the head of the corner; and whoever believes in him will not be ashamed.” On you therefore who believe is this honor conferred: but to them who do not believe “he is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” And they stumble at it because they believe not the Word from where they were appointed. But you are an elect race, officiating as priests of the Kingdom; a Set Apart people, a redeemed congregation; that you should proclaim the praises of him who called you out of darkness to his precious light: who formerly were not counted as a people but now are the people of Elohim; and also, there were (once) no mercies on you but now mercies are poured out upon you. My beloved, I entreat you as strangers and pilgrims, separate yourselves from all lusts of the body, for they war against the soul. And let your behavior be honorable before all men; so that they who utter evil speeches against you, may see your good actions and may praise Elohim in the day of trial. And be submissive to all the sons of men, for Elohim’s sake; to kings, on account of their authority; and to judges because they are sent by him for the punishment of offenders, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of Elohim, that by your good deeds you may stop the mouth of the foolish who do not know Elohim: As free men, you are not like men who make their freedom a cloak for their wickedness, but as the servants of Elohim. 1 Peter 2:6-16




Throughout Scripture we read of a Kingdom that is not of this earth, but it is shaped from the pattern that is in Heaven. The tabernacle in the wilderness was built according to the specifications that YHWH gave to Moses and within that tabernacle, each of the physical elements are symbols of the spiritual or heavenly Kingdom. It is also interesting to note that Zion is mentioned in 153 verses in the Tanakh... this is the same number of fish the disciples caught in John 21:11. The symbolism is clear, Yeshua taught his disciples how to build the Kingdom of Heaven, as opposed to a religion "about" the Kingdom of Heaven, a very big difference.



We are being trained to know what Tsiyon is, and what it is not. No religion or people's groups have exclusive rights to Tsiyon, it belongs to the people of Mashiyach regardless of religion, race, color or creed. The Government of Tsiyon is on the shoulder of Mashiyach. Mashiyach is returning to the Mount of Olives from whence he departed, but this time round Scripture tells us he will be Mashiyach Ben David a much different scenario than when he first came to earth.



There is the Israel of Elohim (spiritual) and there is the other kingdom of Israel of the flesh. Not all who are Israel of the flesh are the Israel of Elohim. If we can look at Jews, Christians or Muslims without judging them by their religion or race, then we are getting closer to ZION, as how it is revealed in Mashiyach. The Kingdom of Elohim is a government, NOT a religion.



Tsiyon is also the place in our neshama (spirit) where we connect with Mashiyach where our heart receives and gives love for all of Creation, where we can see all others through the eyes of Mashiyach and carry no prejudice towards anyone. The Kingdom is within us, it is not an external government or religion.

You're claim that Israel is an insignificant strip of sand illuminates your ignorance. Israel is the Left/Western Arm of the fertile Crescent..........the Israelites have even made the southern desert areas bloom due to hard work, a foreign concept to you.

http://www.zionism-israel.com/

What is Zionism?
Zionism is the political movement that is implementing the national liberation of the Jewish people. It is based on the assertion that the Jewish people, like any other people, has the right to self-determination; Jews have a right to a national home in their historic homeland. Zionism has made a reality of the "impossible" project of restoration of the Jewish people to our homeland, after nearly 2,000 years of exile. The work of Zionism is far from complete, however.

Zionism has always been a part of Judaism
The ideological and cultural foundations of Zionism have always been present in Jewish tradition. Jews always thought of themselves as a nation or people. The concept of "am Yisrael" - the "people of Israel" or "nation of Israel," has been inherent in Jewish culture from ancient times. Jewish cultural and religious life always centered around the land of Israel. This did not change during two millennia of dispersion.

You're welcome in advance,

rodin wrote:Sod with the Icke facemask - you are a despicable liar.
911 was a provable controlled demolition job. Plus the arial shot of
debris + the 'tiliting tower' argument came straight from Tel Aviv
teleprompter

Billy Ruben the probable Jew - you are correct all
buildings were CD. Let's go one step further to who had the opportunity
means & motive

theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

So Billy are we prepared to get to the bottom of the Rabbi hole? Pursuit of truth comes before defence of position... and there IS an after life and we WILL be judged...

Hey, "el kabong",
don't forget to spam over the thread
that WARNS AUSTRALIANS about HOW,
"YOU & YOUR mates" WORK AT
BETRAYING AUSTRALIA...

...so much news lately, that examples this opinion
(that came after, I posted the same opinion ), that
I don't know where to begin...probably should have
more than 31/2 hours sleep, and finished my first
coffee before it went cold, prior to attempting to
to put it together...ah but why bother at all...when
anyone who can't see it for themselves by now, is
probably 'permanently blind', or part of that most
TRAITOROUS CABAL.

true lilly wrote:Calls to sack MP for extremist support

6:04PM
AAP
SENATOR Cory Bernardi
is facing an angry backlash
after promising to help organise
notorious Dutch MP Geert Wilders'
visit to Australia.

Yes, it's also rather telling that none of the many
Australians at David Icke Official Forums, or,
ANY of TEAM TINTIN have bothered to cover this
NEWS (that is CHOCK FULL of what TEAM TINTIN
posted many of 'their' TWISTED [NON]linked, 'links'),
NOW, when ACTUAL LINKS between ACTUAL people,
in CURRENT, AUSTRALIAN And DUTCH Governments,
are flagging what I so long ago, warned to watch for.

Calls to sack Cory Bernardi over his support to
controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders
AAP
From:Herald Sun
September 07, 2011 6:04PM


Dutch anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders
wants to visit Australia. Picture: AFP Herald Sun


Liberal senator Cory Bernardi.
Picture: Kym Smith Herald Sun

LIBERAL senator Cory Bernardi is facing an angry backlash and calls
for his scalp after he promised to help controversial Dutch politician
Geert Wilders organise his visit to Australia.

Mr Wilders, 48, has faced accusations of racial vilification
for his hostile views on Islam.

He provoked outrage among the Netherland's Muslim community after
branding Islam a violent religion, likening the Koran to Hitler's Mein
Kampf and calling the Prophet Mohammed a pedophile.

Senator Bernardi has admitted extending an invitation to assist Mr Wilders
with "his schedule or arranging appropriate meetings" in Australia.

But has since moved to distance himself from the visit.

Senator Bernardi is the shadow parliamentary secretary for families
and assisting the opposition leader.

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Treasurer Wayne Swan said Senator Bernardi had a history of
indiscretions espousing right-wing extremist views and the issue would
be a test for Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's integrity.

He said if Mr Abbott failed to act, it would be telling of his own views.

"It will just demonstrate Mr Abbott is someone who can't be believed and
is someone who also sides with extremists," he told ABC TV.

Labor frontbencher Peter Garrett echoed the call saying Mr Wilders had
dangerous views "which are completely at odds with Australian culture
and Australian values.

"Mr Abbott should show some leadership,
discipline this senator, remove him from his portfolio
responsibilities," he told reporters in Sydney today.

Mr Garrett declined to say if he believed Mr Abbott should have Senator Bernardi
expelled from the Liberal Party, in the way John Howard had Pauline Hanson
disendorsed as a candidate ahead of the 1996 election.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott denied Senator Bernardi was
trying to bring Mr Wilders to Australia.

"That's not the position, he's not," the Liberal leader told reporters in Brisbane.

"The coalition has nothing to do with the organisation of any trip."

Senator Bernardi has previously called for the burqa to be banned, although
this view is not endorsed by his coalition colleagues.

The British initially banned Mr Wilders from visiting their shores in early
2009 because of fears he would threaten community harmony and public
security.

Labor senator Kate Lundy would not say whether Australia should ban Mr Wilder's
from visiting.

"Mr Wilders will have to go through the normal processes for applying for a visa,"
she told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday.

She said Senator Bernardi was sponsoring Mr Wilders' visit
"like he was some sort of rock star".

"Mr Wilders' views are very hurtful and offensive to Muslims and I think to many Australians," she said.

Australian Greens senator Richard Di Natale
condemned Senator Bernardi's associations with the Dutch hardliner.

"Multiculturalism is one of this country's great successes and it must be defended," he said.

The question is whether Tony Abbott is prepared to defend it from those in his ranks.

In 2009, Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull sacked Cory Bernardi from
being shadow parliamentary secretary for disabilities, carers and the
voluntary sector, following his thinly veiled slur about fellow South
Australian Christopher Pyne.

Speaking to reporters in Sydney, senior coalition frontbencher Joe Hockey said
Wilders was an unpleasant character who should be avoided.

"This gentleman seems like a very unpleasant character and I think
it's far better we have nothing to do with him," he said.

Mr Hockey declined to say if he believed Senator Bernardi should be disciplined
for supporting families portfolio.

"I'm not going to speculate on those matters," he said.

Mr Hockey said he was sure Mr Abbott was telling the truth when the
opposition leader said he did not offer to organise Mr Wilders' visit
to Australia.

"I'm sure that Tony Abbott is telling the truth," Mr Hockey said.
______________________________________________________

...yet, RABID Anti-Semite David Icke,
and all his RABID Anti-Christ Followers,
have the gall to PROMOTE his coming here,
TO CHARGE US TO HAVE HIM PREACH
HIS ANTI-CHRIST RELIGION AT US!

true lilly wrote:
Hear recordings of the full exchanges
between ground control, pilots and military authorities
during the terrifying chaos of the 9/11 hijackings,
plus the story on what saved Ian Thorpe's life
that day in New York.
Picture: AFPRead More

...what changed was how the world
hears and sees dates...
hears and sees names & numbers...
hears and sees MEANings of
POLITICALLY correct & correct...

After Pearl Harbour, we could still
spell HARBOUR in ENGLISH...
after Pearl Harbour we weren't

forced to DEFEND The Attackers...
...and we weren't attacked you for
calling,
COON Cheese, COON Cheese
or
COONHOUNDS, COONHOUNDS...

Editor's picks


VIDEO: Meet Harbour.

He's just set a world record
for having the longest ears
of any pooch

Pooch sets record for longest ears

A Colorado coonhound named Harbor
has set the world record for longest ears.
9 September 2011...
9/9/2011...

September 9 2011...
9/9/2011...

11 September 2011...
11/9/2011...

September 11 2011...
9/11/2011...

So best to Listen & Hear,
God's Songs that don't change from
meanings to MEANings...
psalms
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=%22psalms%22&t=KJV
PSALMS: 1 to 150
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=1&t=KJV&q=psalms#

And what's changed since starting this post...
The First, Editor's Pick...

The Coonhound is GONE...

but when I found "IT" again,
I was sent HERE:
Rally Australia sand sculpture
WATCH this amazing time lapse sequence
as four sand sculptors turn 35 tonnes of sand
into a memorable piece of art,
which is on display at Coffs Harbour’s
Park Beach Plaza throughout Rally Australia.
http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2122684406/Rally-Australia-sand-sculpture

and the First Editor's Pick is...

Editor's picks



You're getting warmer

PICTURES: Tens of thousands of revellers
flock to the annual Burning Man Festival
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/galleries/gallery-fn2wzol2-1111120396247?page=1

true lilly wrote: ...it's not what you say,

but,

the way that you say it...

SEE! UNDERSTAND!
That The Word's have DIFFERENT,
DESCRIPTIVE, ROOT MEANINGS,
depending on The TIME, PLACE
and CONTEXT they are used,
and apply!
e.g.
time ³¹¹⁷
time ⁴¹⁵⁰
time ⁶²⁵⁶

Now these [are]
the generations ⁸⁴³⁵
of the sons ¹¹²¹ of Noah ⁵¹⁴⁶,
Shem ⁸⁰³⁵, Ham ²⁵²⁶, and Japheth ³³¹⁵:
and unto them were sons ¹¹²¹ born ³²⁰⁵
after ³¹⁰ the flood ³⁹⁹⁹.

And unto Eber ⁵⁶⁷⁷ were born ³²⁰⁵
two ⁸¹⁴⁷ sons ¹¹²¹:
the name ⁸⁰³⁴ of one ²⁵⁹
[was] Peleg ⁶³⁸⁹;
for in his days ³¹¹⁷
was the earth ⁷⁷⁶ divided ⁶³⁸⁵;
and his brother's ²⁵¹ name ⁸⁰³⁴
[was] Joktan ³³⁵⁵.

These [are] the families ⁴⁹⁴⁰
of the sons ¹¹²¹ of Noah ⁵¹⁴⁶,
after their generations ⁸⁴³⁵,
in their nations ¹⁴⁷¹:
and by these were
the nations ¹⁴⁷¹ divided ⁶⁵⁰⁴
in the earth ⁷⁷⁶
after ³¹⁰ the flood ³⁹⁹⁹.


earth ⁷⁷⁶ divided ⁶³⁸⁵
nations ¹⁴⁷¹ divided ⁶⁵⁰⁴
after ³¹⁰ the flood ³⁹⁹⁹.


the generations ⁸⁴³⁵
of the sons ¹¹²¹ of Noah ⁵¹⁴⁶,
born ³²⁰⁵ after ³¹⁰ the flood ³⁹⁹⁹.

Peleg ⁶³⁸⁹; for in his days ³¹¹⁷
was the earth ⁷⁷⁶ divided ⁶³⁸⁵;

MANY GENERATIONS AFTER NOAH,
YET "YOU" ALL LIE
that NOAH
"was after The Land Divided"
and
"landed on the YET UNFORMED,
Mount Ararat".

"YOU" ALL DENY THE WORD OF GOD,
to FORCE BELIEF IN "YOUR" FALSE,
INSANELY TOO SHORT,
"out of Egypt", "time-line".

SEE, UNDERSTAND, that man's words,
like man, ARE LIMITED, whereas,
GOD IS LIMITLESS, like
THE FULL, DEEP, DESCRIPTIVE
ROOT MEANINGS of
EACH WORD of GOD'S WORD.

This ²⁰⁸⁸ [is] the book ⁵⁶¹²
of the generations ⁸⁴³⁵ of Adam ¹²¹.

In the day ³¹¹⁷
that God ⁴³⁰ created ¹²⁵⁴ man ¹²⁰,
in the likeness ¹⁸²³ of God ⁴³⁰
made ⁶²¹³ he him;

Male ²¹⁴⁵ and female ⁵³⁴⁷
created ¹²⁵⁴ he them;
and blessed ¹²⁸⁸ them,
and called ⁷¹²¹
their name ⁸⁰³⁴ Adam ¹²⁰,
in the day ³¹¹⁷
when they were created ¹²⁵⁴

And Adam ¹²¹ lived ²⁴²¹
an hundred ³⁹⁶⁷ and thirty ⁷⁹⁷⁰
years ⁸¹⁴¹, and begat ³²⁰⁵
[a son] in his own likeness ¹⁸²³,
after his image ⁶⁷⁵⁴;
and called ⁷¹²¹ his name ⁸⁰³⁴ Seth ⁸³⁵²:

And all the days ³¹¹⁷ that Adam ¹²¹ lived ²⁴²⁵
were nine ⁸⁶⁷² hundred ^{3967 8141}
and thirty ⁷⁹⁷⁰ years ⁸¹⁴¹: and he died ⁴¹⁹¹ .

And all the days ³¹¹⁷ of Lamech ³⁹²⁹
were seven ⁷⁶⁵¹ hundred ^{3967 8141}
seventy ⁷⁶⁵⁷ and seven ⁷⁶⁵¹ years ⁸¹⁴¹:

And Noah ⁵¹⁴⁶ was
five ²⁵⁶⁸ hundred ³⁹⁶⁷
years ⁸¹⁴¹ old ¹¹²¹:
and Noah ⁵¹⁴⁶ begat ³²⁰⁵ Shem ⁸⁰³⁵,
Ham ²⁵²⁶, and Japheth ³³¹⁵.

And all the days ³¹¹⁷ of Seth ⁸³⁵²
were nine ⁸⁶⁷² hundred ^{3967 8141}
and twelve ^{6240 8147} years ⁸¹⁴¹:
and he died ⁴¹⁹¹ .

And Enos ⁵⁸³ lived ²⁴²¹ after ³¹⁰
he begat ³²⁰⁵ Cainan ⁷⁰¹⁸ eight ⁸⁰⁸³
hundred ^{3967 8141} and fifteen ^{6240 2568}
years ⁸¹⁴¹, and begat ³²⁰⁵ sons ¹¹²¹
and daughters ¹³²³:

And Cainan ⁷⁰¹⁸ lived ²⁴²¹
after ³¹⁰ he begat ³²⁰⁵ Mahalaleel ⁴¹¹¹
eight ⁸⁰⁸³ hundred ^{3967 8141} and forty ⁷⁰⁵
years ⁸¹⁴¹, and begat ³²⁰⁵ sons ¹¹²¹
and daughters ¹³²³:

And all the days ³¹¹⁷ of Cainan ⁷⁰¹⁸
were nine ⁸⁶⁷² hundred ^{3967 8141}
and ten ⁶²³⁵ years ⁸¹⁴¹: and he died ⁴¹⁹¹ .

And Mahalaleel ⁴¹¹¹ lived ²⁴²¹ sixty ^{8346 8141}
and five ²⁵⁶⁸ years ⁸¹⁴¹, and begat ³²⁰⁵ Jared ³³⁸²:

And Methuselah ⁴⁹⁶⁸ lived ²⁴²¹
after ³¹⁰ he begat ³²⁰⁵ Lamech ³⁹²⁹
seven ⁷⁶⁵¹ hundred ^{3967 8141} eighty ⁸⁰⁸⁴
and two ⁸¹⁴⁷ years ⁸¹⁴¹,
and begat ³²⁰⁵ sons ¹¹²¹ and daughters ¹³²³:

By these were the isles ³³⁹
of the Gentiles ¹⁴⁷¹
divided in ⁶⁵⁰⁴ their lands ⁷⁷⁶;
every one ³⁷⁶ after his tongue ³⁹⁵⁶,
after their families ⁴⁹⁴⁰,
in their nations ¹⁴⁷¹.

Adam ¹²¹
Adam ¹²⁰
Male ²¹⁴⁵
female ⁵³⁴⁷
begat ³²⁰⁵
generations ⁸⁴³⁵
old ¹¹²¹

sons ¹¹²¹
daughters ¹³²³

day ³¹¹⁷
years ⁸¹⁴¹
hundred ^{3967 8141}
hundred ³⁹⁶⁷

one ²⁵⁹
two ⁸¹⁴⁷
five ²⁵⁶⁸
seven ⁷⁶⁵¹
eight ⁸⁰⁸³
nine ⁸⁶⁷²
ten ⁶²³⁵
twelve ^{6240 8147}
fifteen ^{6240 2568}
forty ⁷⁰⁵
sixty ^{8346 8141}
seventy ⁷⁶⁵⁷
eighty ⁸⁰⁸⁴


one ²⁵⁹
every one ³⁷⁶
name ⁸⁰³⁴
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=name&t=KJV&sf=5
TIME
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=time&t=KJV&sf=5
TIMES
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=times&t=KJV&sf=5

SEE! UNDERSTAND!
"they" ALL ATTACK GOD
FROM EVERY SIDE by
DENYING GOD'S WORD,
to Worship The Beastly,
TWISTED, LYING
words, names, and
NUMBers Games of man!

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true lilly wrote:

but,

the way that you say it...[/i][/u][/color] [/size]

SEE! UNDERSTAND!
That The Word's have DIFFERENT,
DESCRIPTIVE, ROOT MEANINGS,
depending on The TIME, PLACE
and CONTEXT they are used,
and apply!


[/color]MANY GENERATIONS AFTER NOAH,
YET "YOU" ALL LIE
that NOAH
"was after The Land Divided"
and
"landed on the YET UNFORMED,
Mount Ararat".

"YOU" ALL DENY THE WORD OF GOD,
to FORCE BELIEF IN "YOUR" FALSE,
INSANELY TOO SHORT,
"out of Egypt", "time-line".[/b][/color]

SEE, UNDERSTAND, that man's words,
like man, ARE LIMITED, whereas,
GOD IS LIMITLESS, like
THE FULL, DEEP, DESCRIPTIVE
ROOT MEANINGS of
EACH WORD of GOD'S WORD.

Studies in the Book of Genesis
Part 3:
The Table of Nations in
Genesis 10--Its Content
Allen P. Ross
The previous article in this series dealt with the structure of
the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.1 The deliberate design in its
construction, symmetry, and unity were examined in an effort to
understand its purpose as a tOdl;OT. But in addition to the evi-
deuce from its structure, there is a wealth of information about
the nations of the world that is important for the complete under-
standing of this chapter within the message of Genesis.
The Analysis of the Passage
The heading of the chapter (Gen. 10:1) declares that this is
the record of the particulars of what became of Shem, Ham, and
Japheth after the Flood. The verse serves not only as a heading for
the Table, but also as a literary connection back to Genesis 9:18
and 28. It is to be read with the oracle of Noah in mind!
THE SONS OF JAPHETH (10:2-5)
In the listing of Noah's sons, Japheth usually comes last. But
here he is first because the tribes descended from Japheth were
spread across the remote lands of the north and therefore were
less involved in Israel's history.
The connection of Japheth and ]Iapeto<j of the Greek tradi-
tion is striking.2 In both Greek and Hebrew traditions, then,
]Iapeto<j was the ancestor of the Greeks. Genesis, however, shows
him to be fully human.3 He is simply the ancestor of many north-
22
The Table of Nations in Genesis 10 - Its Content 23
ern tribes who were non-Semitic in physiognomy, language, and
custom.4
The sons of Japheth are seven. Gomer, mentioned also in
Ezekiel 38:6, represents the Cimmerians, thought to be of the
same stock as the Scythians.5 Magog is also mentioned in Ezekiel
(38:2 and 39:6) as the land of Gog, the region between Armenia
and Cappadocia; the name seems to represent the Scythian
hordes southeast of the Black Sea.6 Madia (ydamA) is the normal
Hebrew word for the Medes (Isa. 13:17) or Media (2 Kings 17:6),
east of Assyria and southwest of the Caspian Sea. Even though
the Median Empire was not formed until the seventh century,
this does not mean that such a people were not known earlier as a
group in the Lake Van area. The text of Shalmaneser III refers to
them in a way that implies they were older inhabitants.
Javan is the general word for the Hellenic race, used
throughout the Old Testament for the Ionians who dwelt in
western Asia Minor.7
Tubal and Meshech are always found together in the Bible;
they represent northern military states (Ezek. 27:13; 32:26;
38:2; 39:1; and Isa. 66:19). Tubal is equivalent to Tibareni in
Pontus; and Meshech is located in the Moschian mountains near
Armenia .8 Their range was from eastern Asia Minor to the
Black Sea.
Tiras has been identified in classical writings as the Thra-
cians living in the area of the river Tiras 9 It is now popular to
identify them as the Pelasgian pirates of the Aegean coasts men-
tioned in Merneptah's list of seafaring peoples.10
From these seven, seven more were derived. From Gomer
came Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. Ashkenaz appears to
represent a northern branch of Indo-Germanic tribes related to
the Scythians.11 Riphath may bear a remote resemblance to the
name of the river Rhebas near the Bosphorous, or the Riphaean
mountains to the west. Josephus suggested these were the
Paphlagonians.12 Togarmah seems to represent the extreme
north in Ezekiel 27:14 and 38:6.13
From Javan came four "sons"--two geographical names
and two tribal names--all of which are kin to the Greeks.
Elishah is to be identified with the place Alashiyah on the island
of Cyprus.14 Tarshish is the name of a distant coast reached only
by sea (Isa. 66:19; Jer. 10:9; Ezek. 27:12). It has been identified
with several places on the southern coasts of Asia Minor, places
founded by Phoenician shippers.15 Kittim is preserved in the
24 Bibliotheca Sacra - January-March 1981
name of Kition (or Kettion), also on the island of Cyprus;16 this
plural noun refers to the people who inhabited that island, as well
as other islands east of Rhodes.
Dodanim, the last of the four from Javan, is difficult to
identify because of a textual problem. The word, spelled "Roda-
nim" in 1 Chronicles 1:7, would represent the inhabitants of
Rhodes. But the Qere at that passage suggests the spelling
"Dodanim." Moreover, Ezekiel lists a Dedan among northern
merchants (27:15). Neiman suggests they are the Dodanoi, the
people of Dodona, the most ancient oracle in Greece.17
These descendants of Japheth may be broadly summarized
as Cimmerians, Scythians, Medes, Hellenes, and Thracians.
From the fourteen names given, the text adds that from
these the isles of the nations were divided in lands, by tongues,
after families, in nations. They dwell in remote lands and
distant isles.
It should be noted in passing that these names occur fre-
quently in prophetic writings. In Genesis the great military
hordes and western merchants are rather remote. They do not
come into play, so far as the destiny of Israel in the land is
concerned, until much later. Genesis knows something about
them, but they are far beyond the movements of the patriarchs.
They too will eventually subjugate the inhabitants of the land.
THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)
More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of
Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,
Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-
Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine
respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both
places and tribes.
Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to
Africa.

The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is
used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.

Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In
antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern
flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it
served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the
Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the
African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.

Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost
ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt.

Put is used six times in the Bible, usually representing a
warlike people used as mercenaries in the Egyptian armies (e.g.,
Ezek. 27:10).
Some connect Put with Somaliland, known as Punt
(pwn.t).20 But the identification of Put with Punt is phonetically
problematic.21 Thus the identification with Libya seems to have
more support although not by similarity of names.22

The last of the four is Canaan, which normally represents the
land of Palestine and Phoenicia with its kaleidoscopic mixture of
races, a natural result for a country which is the "bridge" of
continents.23

The name Canaan has been connected with
various etymologies including the Hurrian kinahhu, a reddish-
purple shellfish dye.24 References from antiquity show the name
is geographical. Possibly it may have been used of the merchant
class in early commercial activities.26 Exclusive to the Old
Testament is the use of the term for inhabitants of the area in a
general sense. It later came to mean the pre-Israelite population
without distinction of race or social status. These many tribes
are in some way related to Canaan, and thus are called
Canaanites.
The lines of three of these are now carried further in the
expanding list. First are listed five sons of Cush, all of whom
show expansion in Arabia.27 Seba is usually identified with
Upper Egypt on the Nile, with the ancient city of Meroe between
Berber and Khartoum. Havilah, which means "sand-land," could
fit several areas according to its usage: Ishmaelite Arab territory
(Gen. 25:18), eastern Arabia on the Persian Gulf (Gen. 10:29), the
Ethiopian coast (Gen. 10:7), or even India as an extension of the
east (Gen. 2:11). The fact that Havilah is mentioned under both
Shem and Ham shows mixing of the races: both Shemites and
Hamites lived there.

Sabtah is near the western shore of the Persian Gulf. It has
to been identified as Shabwat, ancient Hadhramaut28 Raamah
appears to have been in southwest Arabia; Sabteca is possibly to
be identified with Samudake, east toward the Persian Gulf.
So these five tribal regions in the lower sections of Arabia
were populated with descendants from Ham. Of them, Raamah
produced two other tribes: Sheba and Dedan. Sheba is the name
of the ancient kingdom in southwest Arabia whose metropolis is
Marib, forty-five miles east of Sena'a of Yemen .29 Dedan is associ-
with modern 'Ula in northern Arabia, an important trading
center from antiquity, bordering on Edom (Ezek. 25:13; 27:20).
Some of the people of Sheba and Dedan traced their ancestry
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back through the Cushite Raamah; others traced their ancestry
to Joktan in the line of Shem (10:29).
Inserted in the Table is the story of Nimrod (Gen. 10:8-12).
This is the first dlayA ("begot") section and forms a major stylistic
break from the tribal and territory names preceding it. The verse
need not be interpreted to say that Nimrod was the actual son of
Cush, but that is possible. Many attempts have been made to
identify him, but the most plausible is the reflection of the name
in Ninurta, the god of hunting and war.30
Because his name has been connected with the root dramA ("to
rebel"), and because of the statements made about him, he seems
to represent tyrannical power. Genesis 10:9 describes him as a
mightly hunter,31 a term often used for the hunting of men, and
the founder of the colossal powers of the east, which suggests he
is not just someone known for his derring-do.
Genesis 10:10 lists these cities as the "beginning" of his
kingdom: Babel, Erech, and Accad (and Calneh in the land of
Shinar). Since Babel, the well-known city of Babylon, is listed
first, it is not surprising to see it as the subject of the next
narrative (11:1-9), where it is described as the first gathering
point of the race.
Erech is the Akkadian Uruk, to be identified with ancient
Warka, the city of heroes like Gilgamesh 32 It is one hundred
miles southeast of Babylon. Accad is another ancient city, the
Agade of Sargon, north of Babylon on the Euphrates. It declined
sharply in importance about 2000 B.C.
Calneh is nowhere attested in cuneiform. While some have
tried to find a city so named in the great Shinar region, many
have followed Albright and translated it "and all of them.”33
The second part of the Nimrod digression lists the cities he
colonized (Gen. 10:11-12). Nimrod went out to Assyria34 and
built Nineveh, Rehoboth-Ir, Calah, and Resen. Nineveh is the
most famous city of Assyria (just as Babel was for the other
region). Rehoboth-Ir could be explaining Nineveh, but probably
is the suburb of Rebit Nina. Calah is Kalhu, modern Nimrud
situated twenty miles south. Resen may be Risnu, between the
other cities. It seems that all these cities were close enough
together to be one great metropolis.
Nimrod's exploits extended over two geographical areas,
Shinar and Assyria, and included seven cities. All these are part
of the Hamitic line.35
The Table of Nations in Genesis 10 - Its Content 27
After this dlayA section, another follows: Mizraim developed
into tribes. From the Egyptians sprang the Ludim, a group of
African tribes west of the Delta;36 the Anamim, in the vicinity of
Cyrene;37 the Lehabim, the Libyans on the north African shore
(Nah. 3:9 and Dan. 11:43); the Naphtuhim, the people of the
Delta (Lower Egypt); the Pathrusim, the people of Upper Egypt;38
the Casluhim, the people who dwelt east of the Delta between
Egypt and Canaan;39 and the Caphtorim, the Cretans.40
The clause "from whence come the Philistines" is problem-
atic because of its position in the text. Scripture connects the
origin of the Philistines with Caphtor (Amos 9:7; Deut. 2:23;
Jer. 47:4), but the Caphtorim, the Cretans, come after this
clause. While some have suggested rearranging the clauses, it
may not be necessary. The clause in the Table suggests migration
and not lineage. Amos has the Philistines from Caphtor in the
same sense that Israel was from Egypt--migration and not
origination.41 The difficulty may be solved by looking at their
origin and their migration from the Aegean bases through Caph-
tor into the Delta and finally into Palestine.
But part of the problem is the general assumption that this
name is anachronistic since all sources so far attest that the
Philistines in the strict sense date from around 1200 B.C. But the
Philistines of Genesis are quite different from those of later
periods. Grintz concluded that they were different enough to
posit successive migrations of different tribes .42 He concluded
there were three migrations: the first was the migration of
Pelasgo-Philistine tribes from Casluhim (Genesis and Exodus),
the second was the movement of the Philistines from Caphtor to
Gaza, and the third was the further movement of the Pelasgo-
Philistines in the period of Rameses III. Therefore the tribes from
Mizraim are seven, and out of one come the Philistines. If this be
so, then the powerful Egyptian influence carried far north into
the Aegean.
The final Hamite line to be traced is that of the sons of
Canaan (Gen. 10:15-19). This line focuses on the peoples living
in the land promised to Israel. In fact, the section closes with
the territorial boundaries specifically given.
Once again a dlayA section is inserted to introduce the cities and
tribes. The first-begotten is Sidon, the predominant Phoenician
city.44 This suggests that the founder gave his name to the city.
Heth, the Hittites in the Old Testament, is problematic here
under Canaan. The text is listing a mixed population in Canaan,
28 Bibliotheca Sacra - January-March 1981
and so the term is justified if it describes Hittites who swept
south in vast ethnic movements.45
A series of tribes are mentioned beginning with the Jebu-
sites. The Jebusites dwelt in Jebus (Jerusalem) and were part of
the early stock of Canaanite tribes. The Amorites pose another
problem. The term can refer to a mixed population in the land in
general. It does not fit the description of the western Semites
whose center was in Mari.46 These are smaller ethnic groups that
inhabited the mountains around Jordan.
Very little is known about the Girgashites and the Hivites.
They are mentioned only in the cliche lists for Canaanites in
Edom, Shechem, and Gibeon.47 Possibly terms like "Hivite" and
"Hittite" are used pejoratively and ideologically, but as North
says, "we cannot see that all organic link of origin with those
foreign populaces is excluded."48
The rest of the list includes the Arkites, those living in Leba-
non north of Sidon; the Sinites near 'Arqa; the Arvadites, the
most northerly of Phoenician cities north of the river El Kebir; the
Zemarites, those living in the town of Sumra (modern) north of
‘Arqa; and the Hamathites, the inhabitants of Hamath on the
Orontes. Hamath, it may be noted, is the central point of the
northern boundary of the land.
It is clear that the writer wished to emphasize the names of
the Canaanites who dwelt in the land promised to Israel because
he mentions the familiar boundary notices in all directions, from
the cities of the plain to Gerar to the northern extremities. Such
an emphasis coming after the account of the curse of Canaan and
written for a people who were to dispossess these Canaanites
would have great impact.
THE SONS OF SHEM (10:21-31)
A new heading lists the relationship of Shem to Japheth (the
brother) and Eber (the descendant)--the former speaking of an
alliance based on Genesis 9 and the latter speaking of the connec-
tion in the line to the Hebrews.
The first name in the list is Elam. Descendants of Shem early
penetrated the highlands east of Babylon even though they were
later not the dominant racial or linguistic group.49 Asshur,
Shem's second son, is the name for the region and people of
Assyria. Arpachshad, the third name, is the ancestor of the
Hebrews. Arpachshad's meaning and location have caused con-
siderable speculation, but he can only be generally listed as resid-
The Table of Nations in Genesis 10 - Its Content 29
ing northeast of Nineveh.50 Lud is probably the Ludbu of the
Assyrians, situated on the Tigris. Aram is the name of the Ara-
mean tribes of antiquity living in the steppes of Mesopotamia.
The descendants from Aram--Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash -
are not well known. They seem to be located in the north between
Armenia and Mesopotamia.51
The passage then refers to the developing line from Arpach-
shad, using the dlayA form through Shelah to Eber. One of Eber's
sons is Peleg, in whose days the earth was divided (probably
referring to the division of nations at Babel 52). Once the Table
mentions Peleg, it traces his line no further. Rather, it lists the
many tribes from Joktan, using the dlayA formula again.
The first tribe was Almodad, referring to a South Arabian
people. The second is Sheleph, another tribe of the southern
Arabian peninsula.54 Hazarmaveth, the third, is identified with
the exporter of myrrh known as Hadramaut in Southern
Arabia. Jerah and Hadoram are difficult, but are assumed to be
in the same vicinity. Uzal is the designation of San'a, the old
capital of Yemen. Diklah, the Arabic name for "date-palm," may
refer to an oasis. Obal seems to be 'Abil, a term used for several
localities in Yemen. Abimael is taken to be a genuine Sabaean
formation, with the ma being emphatic ("my father, verily, he
is God").
Sheba was also listed under Ham; the name here attests to
the fact that Joktanites lived there as well.56 Ophir and Havilah,
also listed under Ham, were southern Arabian territories rich in
gold. Jobab is assumed to be identical to Yuhaybib in South
Arabia.
These thirteen descendants of Joktan represent settled Ara-
bian tribes in the peninsula. Israel would find ancient blood ties
with the Joktanites of the desert of Arabia, as well as her relatives
to the east.
The final verse of the chapter forms the colophon-type end-
ing of the Table. All families came from the sons of Noah, but
these families listed here have significant developments (dlayA) as
far as Israel's interests are concerned.
The Meaning of the Passage
Most commentators observe that the Table demonstrates the
unity of the human race. Coming from the sons of Noah, the
survivors of the Flood were fruitful and multiplied.
30 Bibliotheca Sacra - January-March 1981
But the passage is far more complex than that. The Table is a
select list of names, and that selection must serve a purpose. The
names are names of individuals, cities, tribes, and nations
arranged according to the genealogical connections of the ances-
tors or founders. The pattern of the Table is segmented rather
than linear; it is designed to show blood ties, treaties, alliances
and other connections between existing peoples.
That the promised land is central to the Table can be seen
from the arrangement of the descendants. The Japhethites are
spread from east to west across the northern frontier; the Ham-
ites surround the land from south to west; and the Shemites are
traced from the eastern to the southern borders of the land.
Moreover, the preoccupation with the Canaanites in the land of
promise shows the concern of the writer to fit the Table to the
message of the book: the fulfillment of God's promise to bless
Israel as a nation in that land, and to bless those nations that
bless her, and curse those who are antagonistic to her.
The Table then deliberately selected these tribes and traced
their development. This was done by expanding (in the dlayA ["be-
got"] sections) important elements found in the basic genealogy
(the yneB; ["sons of"] structure). From the heading (tOdlOT, "particu-
lars") it is clear that the passage was designed to do just this. The
purpose of this tOdl;OT in Genesis is to trace what became of
Noah's descendants, but the particular items included in this
genealogy were selected because of their significance for Israel.
The tOdl;OT of the yneB; Noah moves in four directions (in each of
the dlayA sections). Through these four sections the genealogy
focuses on the dominant kingdoms of Assyria and Shinar, the
powerful Egyptian tribes, the Canaanite tribes in their lands, and
the Arabian tribes of the line of Shem. These are peoples with
whom the new nation of Israel would have dealings in accord with
the oracle of Noah in Genesis 9.
According to Genesis, the new nation of Israel was to be
blessed as God's people in the land of Canaan. God's plan to bless
Israel involved the movement, displacement, and subjugation of
other peoples. The oracle of Noah in Genesis 9 anticipated the
blessing for Shem, along with Japheth, and the cursing of Ca-
naan, a son of Ham. This Table in Genesis 10 gives direction to
that oracle. It presents the lines of Shem and Japheth as pure
tribal groups around the promised land; it also presents the old
block of Hamites, especially the mixed races in the land of Ca-
naan, as the predominant powers on the earth. The dlayA sections
The Table of Nations in Genesis 10--Its Content 31
identify these tribes for Israel and signify their relationship to the
blessing or cursing.
Notes
1 Allen P. Ross, "The Table of Nations in Genesis 10-Its Structure," Bibliotheca
Sacra 137 (October-December 1980):340-53.
2 Apollodorus The Library 1. 2-3, Loeb Classical Library (Cambridge: Harvard
University Press, 1921), p. 12; Hesiod Works and Days, lines 50, 54, and
Theogany, lines 507-12, 543, Loeb Classical Library (Cambridge: Harvard Uni-
versity Press, 1914), pp. 6, 116, 118.
3 David Neiman, "The Two Genealogies of Japheth," Alter Orient and Altes
Testament 22 (1973):124.
4 E. Dhorme, "Les Peuples issus de Japhet d'apres le chapitre X de la Genese,"
Syria 13 (1932):28-49; Donald J. Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological
Considerations," 925th Ordinary General Meeting of the Victoria Institute,
December 6, 1954, p. 17.
5 They are listed in Assyrian as Gimirraya, and in Greek as Kimmerioi (Odys-
sey 11. 14 and Herodotus 1. 15, 103; 4. 1-142). Speiser identifies them with
Cymry as in the Welsh (E. A. Speiser, Genesis, The Anchor Bible [Garden City, NY:
Doubleday & Co., 1964], p. 63).
6 Josephus Antiquities of the Jews 1. 122-29. Skinner identified them with
barbarians called Ga-ga (John Skinner, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary
on Genesis [Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 19101, p. 197); Speiser related the name
to Gyges of Lydia and Gogaia in the Amarna Letters (Speiser, Genesis, p. 66).
7 They are called Yamanai in Sargon's texts, Ym'n in the fourteenth century Ras
Shamra tablets, and Ye-uan-(n)a in Egyptian referring to the Sea Peoples.
For a discussion of the identification of Javan with the twelve settlements iii
western Asia Minor, see Cassuto, From Noah to Abraham (Jerusalem: Magnes
Press, 1953), p. 190.
8 Wiseman says they are the same as the Hittite Tipal and Tibar district which
Naram Sin traversed around 2200 B.C. (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeolog-
ical Considerations," p. 18). Herodotus located the region in the north on the shore
of the Black Sea (Herodotus 3. 94); Josephus called them Cappadocians (Antiqui-
ties of the Jews 1. 122-29).
9 Thucydides 4. 109; Herodotus 1. 57, 59.
10 The connection with the Etruscans, suggested by Dhorme, is supported by
Wiseman. It would be comparable to the classical Tursanioi.
11 See Francis Brown, S. R. Driver, and Charles A. Briggs, A Hebrew and
English Lexicon of the Old Testament (Oxford: At the Clarendon Press, 1907), p.
79. They identify the word as Ascan(ians) with the az ending of Armenian
patronymics. The texts of Esarhaddon list Asguzai in the Lake Urmia region.
12 A textual problem makes the identification difficult; 1 Chronicles 1:6 has a'1
for the r. Since so little is known of the name, it is impossible to argue the case.
13 Hittite writings of Marsilis II (fourteenth century B. C.) list a district known as
Tagarma north of the road from Haran to Carchemish (Cassuto, From Noah to
Abraham, p. 192).
14 The name is listed on Amarna and Hittite lists. Excavations show these
people supplied purple to Tyre before being displaced by the Philistines around
1200 B.C. (Y. Lynn Holmes, "The Location of Alashiya," Journal of the American
Oriental Society 91 [19711:426-29).
15 The meaning of Tarshish is "foundry," according to David Neiman: the ships
of Tarshish carried iron ore ("Phoenician Place-Names," Journal of Near Eastern
Studies 24 (1965):113-15), Albright suggested Sardinia ("New Light on the Early
32 Bibliotheca Sacra - January-March 1981
History of Phoenician Colonization" Bulletin of the American Schools of
Oriental Research 83 [19411:14-22). Herodotus had identified it with Spain's
Tartassos (Herodotus 1. 163; 4. 152; see also Strabo 3. 151).
16 It is still a designation of the Greeks in later literature (1 Mace. 1:1; 8:5;
Babylonian Talmud Ta'anith 5b).
17 Neiman, "The Two Genealogies of Japheth," p. 121 (cf. Iliad 2. 750; 16.233-34
Odyssey 14. 327; 19. 296; Apollodorus The Library 1. 9, 16).
18 Neiman thinks it is related to the Egyptian term for "Black Land," for that title
of their land in Bohairic is Khemi; but the Hieroglyphic Egyptian begins with K
(Neiman, "The Two Genealogies of Japheth," p. 122).
19 T. Save-Soderbergh, "The Nubian Kingdom of the Second Intermediate
Period," Kush 4 (1956):54-61.
20 Kenneth A. Kitchen, "Punt and How to Get There," Orientalia, n.s. 4
(1971):184-207; Wendell Phillips, Qataban and Sheba (New York: Harcourt
Brace, & Co., 1955), p. 108.
21 The connection between the two is phonetically problematic, not only be
cause of the "n" in Punt, but also because of the "t" as against the "t" of Punt
which is only a feminine termination (J. Simons, "The 'Table of Nations' [Gen. 10]
Its General Structure and Meaning," Oudtestamentische Studien 10 [ 1954]:179)
22 The Greek and Latin versions refer to it as Libya. Josephus says Libya was
founded by Phoutes (Antiquities of the Jews 1. 132). Jubilees 9:1 takes it as Libya,
and Libyan mercenaries are well known from extra-biblical literature (but
Puntians are not) (Simons, "The 'Table of Nations,"' p. 180).
23 John C. L. Gibson, "Observations on Some Important Ethnic Terms in th
Pentateuch," Journal of Near Eastern Studies 20 (1961):217.
24 B. Maisler, "Canaan and the Canaanites," Bulletin of theAmerican Schools o
Oriental Research 102 (1946):7-12; E. A. Speiser, "The Name Phoinikes,"
Language 12 (1936):121-26.
25 Robert North, "The Hivites," Biblica 54 (1973):51.
26 The Memphis Stele of Amenophis II mentions 640 Canaanites in a social
standing (not ethnic); and the Tell El Amarna letters (EA 9, 19) mention ki-na-ha-
a-a-u. See Gibson, "Observations on Some Important Ethnic Terms," p. 217. .
27 James A. Montgomery, Arabia and the Bible (New York: KTAV Publishing
House, 1969).
28 Ibid., p. 42.
29 Cassuto, among others, believed that it had first been northern on the
peninsula, and then moved south around the eighth century B.C. (Cassuto, From
Noah to Abraham, p. 199).
30 Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations," p. 17; Bohl
"Babel and Bibel, " p. 115. Speiser takes him to be Tukulti-Ninurta I, an early ruler
of Assyria ("In Search of Nimrod," Oriental and Biblical Studies [Philadelphia
University of Pennsylvania Press, 1967], pp. 41-52).
31 The Septuagint renders dyica rOBGi as "the hunting giant," the Arabic as "the
terrible tyrant," and the Syriac as " the warlike giant." Midrash Rabbah 37:2 says
he snared people (see also Yoma 10a, and Josephus Antiquities of the Jews 1. 113-14).
32 Wiseman suggests that since Erech is written Uruk or Unuk in Sumerian, it
might be the city named after Enoch. Enoch's son was Irad, and he may have
founded Eridu (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations," p 20).
33 J. A. Thompson, "Samaritan Evidence for 'All of them in the land of Shinar
(Gen. 10:10)," Journal of Biblical Literature 90 (1971):99-102.
34 It is possible to translate it "Asshur went out," but it is probably better to take
it the other way since the story is about Nimrod's exploits, and the preceding was
only the beginning.
35 Wiseman points out that archaeology shows that the earliest inhabitant
The Table of Nations in Genesis 10 - Its Content 33
and languages of the region were not Semitic. Before 2600 the civilization is
"Sumerian." Moreover there is a direct cultural link between Assyria, Babylonia,
and Egypt (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations," p. 21).
36 Cassuto, From Noah to Abraham, p. 200. Los connects them to Lydian (Asia
Minor) mercenaries (F. J. Los, "The Table of Peoples of the Tenth Chapter of
Genesis," The Mankind Quarterly 7 [ 1967]:148).
37 Los connects them with On, the inhabitants of Heliopolis being meant
(ibid., p. 148). See also W. F. Albright, "A Colony of Cretan Mercenaries on the
Coast of the Negeb," Journal of the Palestine Oriental Society 1, 2 (1920-
22):117-94.
38 See Brown, Driver, and Briggs, who define it as "southland" and connect it
with the Akkadian Paturisi and the Egyptian P-to-rest (A Hebrew and English
Lexicon, p. 837). See also "Pathros"' in Isaiah 11:11 and Jeremiah 44:1.
39 Leupold thinks they may have come from Crete, earlier than the Philistines,
as part of the swarms of nations mixing with Egyptians (H. C. Leupold, Exposition
of Genesis [Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1953], p. 370).
40 They are identified with Keftiu ("the region beyond"), referring to the
Mediterranean in the Egyptian language (Skinner, Genesis, p. 214).
41 Kenneth A. Kitchen, "The Philistines," in Peoples of Old Testament Times,
ed. Donald J. Wiseman (Oxford: At. the Clarendon Press, 1973), pp. 53-54.
42 J. M. Grintz, "The Immigration of the First Philistines in the Inscriptions"
[Hebrew], Tarbiz 17 (1945):32-42; "Notes on the Immigration of the First Philis-
tines in the Inscriptions" [Hebrew], Tarbiz 19 (1947):64.
43 A. Van Selms, "The Canaanites in the Book of Genesis," Oudtestamentische
Studien 12 (1958):182-213.
44 Wiseman points out that the Table must go back before the thirteenth
century due to the omission of Tyre (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological
Considerations," p. 21).
45 See Hans Giiterback, "Toward a Definition of the Term Hittite," Oriens 10
(1975):233-39; Harry A. Hoffner, "Some Contributions of Hittitology to Old
Testament Study," Tyndale Bulletin 20 (1969):37; and Gibson, "Observations on
Some Important Ethnic Terms in the Pentateuch," p. 225. Of course if Genesis 10
is talking about the very beginnings, then there is no need to look for migrations.
But the Hattians or Nesites, the people of Hatti, remain a problem.
46 Alfred Halder, Who Were the Amorites? (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1971), pp. 20, 65-
66; Giorgio Buccellati, The Amorites of the Ur III Period (Naples: Institutio
Orientals di Napoli, 1966); M. Liverani, "The Amorites," in Peoples of Old Testa-
ment Times, p. 102.
47 North said the Hivites must represent the Horites or Hurrian element ("The
Hivites," p. 44).
48 Ibid., p. 61.
49 Arno Poebel, "The Name of Elam in Sumerian, Akkadian, and He-
brew," American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures 48 (1931):20-
37:2 says 26• See also Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations,
p. 22.
50 Several have tried to connect Arpachshad with the Kasdim, or Chaldeans
(e-g•, Los, The Table of Peoples of the Tenth Chapter of Genesis,” p. 158).
51 B. Maisler, The Genealogy of the Sons of Nahor and the Historical Back-
ground of the Book of Job" [Hebrew], Zion 11 (1946):1-16.
52 See the author's article, "The Dispersion of the Nations in Genesis 11:1-9, in
the forthcoming April-June 1981 issue of Bibliotheca Sacra.
53 Most take this to be a combination of the article lxa plus ddAOm ("friend”).
54 Silph is a district of Yemen, and Salph a Yemenite tribe (G. R. Driver, "Notes
34 Bibliotheca Sacra - January-March 1981
in Some Recently Recovered Proper Names, Bulletin of the American Schools of
Oriental Research 90 [1943]:34).
55 Phillips notes that even today tribesmen of Hadramaut proudly state they are
descendants of Joktan, supposed by them to be Qahtan, great-great-great-
grandson of Shem, son of Noah, and legendary ancestor of all South Arabians
(Phillips, Qataban and Sheba, pp. 28-29).
56 Gus W. Van Beck, "Prolegomenon," in Montgomery, Arabia and the Bible, pp
xiii-xv. He suggests that there were commercial and ethnic affinities

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to achieve policies rejected at the ballot box.

Ideological lawfare is now clogging the entire legal system
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to the ideologues toiling in the lower courts and refugee tribunals.

The Australian public has made it clear it regards the
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security and sovereignty.
If the federal government cannot curb this traffic,
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The public understands that only punitive measures can deter the trade.
That the Gillard government has failed in this duty is clear.
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and cost of this failure as the courts are swamped by litigious refugee applicants
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The High Court ruled last week, in effect, that
Australian law must conform to the United Nations
Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees,
as incorporated in the Migration Act.

The convention imposes a virtually
unlimited right of access to any country by anyone who deems themselves,
in good faith, to be in flight from persecution.

The ruling opened the door to possible legal actions
by asylum seekers sent to Nauru by the Howard government.
Until last month Nauru was not a signatory to the UN Convention.

Most asylum assessments are taking more than six months,
adding to incarceration costs.

Australia has accepted a higher percentage of asylum seekers
than the UN High Commissioner of Refugees process -
another incentive to bypass the UN system.

History is repeating itself. A veteran of ideological lawfare,
the Melbourne barrister and former judge Ron Merkel QC, has
become involved in preparing possibly wider legal challenges to the
government's immigration policies.

Merkel is the activist who sowed the seed, back in 1990,
that eventually became the Bringing Them Home
or ''stolen generations'' report. It included the false claim that
Australia had practised genocide toward the Aborigines. The costly
litigation that ensued was largely a disaster and neither report nor
litigation improved the material welfare of indigenous Australians,
while creating enormous division in the name of reconciliation.

In short, the stolen generations report was a nullity for reconciliation
and a paradise for lawyers. Ditto the lawfare now being waged
on behalf of refugees.

As a result of the High Court's decision last week in
M70 v Minister for Immigration, 4000 refugees in Malaysia will miss out
on entering Australia. It will also reap a political blowback when the
public understand the magnitude of how the intent of the Parliament has
been subverted in the courts.

The legal quagmire in which the federal government and
the courts are stuck could be escaped at a single stroke.
The root cause is the United Nations, the majority of whose members
are not democracies, and specifically Australia's signature on the United
Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.

Australia should withdraw from the convention, citing its
increasing unworkability, impossibly loose language and unlimited
impositions. An entire theatre of ideological lawfare would be laid to
waste, and after changes to the Migration Act to pre-empt such lawfare,
Australian democracy, security and sovereignty would be strengthened.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/end-lawfare-by-ditching-unworkable-un-policies-20110907-1jxr3.html#ixzz1XJTFpWs4

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true lilly wrote:Melbourne's Becks coup

Peter Rolfe
SOCCER superstar David Beckham
will visit Melbourne for the first time
in a summer showdown
between LA Galaxy and Victory.

Yep, yet more News
Featuring a MASSIVE LOT of "tintin's"
Favourite Topics and Code Keys,
that "tintin" has to ignore,
because it also features Australia.

Soccer superstar
David Beckham's coup
Peter Rolfe
From: Sunday Herald Sun
September 11, 2011 12:00AM


Soccer superstar David Beckham will play for LA Galaxy in Melbourne. AP

THE Beckham show is coming to town.
Soccer superstar David Beckham
will visit Melbourne for the first time
in a summer showdown between his
US team LA Galaxy and Melbourne Victory
at Etihad Stadium.

The Baillieu Government will announce the sporting coup today,
setting up a mouth-watering showdown between Beckham -
the most famous soccer player in the world - and Harry Kewell -
one of Australia's best players.

Organisers of the December 6 blockbuster
also hope that Beckham's famous wife - former Spice Girl Victoria -
will fly into town for the event.

A capacity crowd of 56,000 is expected to pack
Etihad Stadium
for the friendly match, which Premier Ted Baillieu
described as
"another jewel in Victoria's outstanding major events calendar".

With Sydney trying to steal Melbourne's crown
as the
sporting and major events capital of Australia,
Mr Baillieu said
Victoria had again flexed its muscle
and proving to be one of the
world's truly great sporting cities.

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"Melbourne is recognised globally
as a hub for its world-leading
major events and Victorians love to celebrate,
participate in and attend
major sport events," he said.

Beckham, 36, has twice toured
Australia with the Galaxy,
playing in Newcastle last year and against
Sydney FC in the Harbour City in 2007.

It will be the former Manchester United and
Real Madrid midfielder's first visit to Victoria.
The cost to taxpayers of Beckham's visit is being kept under wraps,
with the Government claiming the deal is "commercial-in-confidence".

But a Government spokesman described the fee as
"a modest level of support to ensure that the match is played in Victoria".
___________________________________

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that "tintin" has to ignore,
because it also features Australia.

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true lilly wrote: Seriously,[/color] those who still want to believe, those
who trash me, rather than my many Public,
AND PRIVATE WARNINGS, should forget about me,
and why I know these (and the many things I DON'T
so much as say to myself, let alone post on), are all,
connected, and just get on with Getting Right With
God.

Yo!!!! Suzy Woo Woo, clue me up how lying about Gods Book is 'getting right' with Him, or for that matter, gossiping and judging and cursing others is 'getting right' with Him?

You, propose, without any credentials or prerequisite education in Hebrew, that you are able to interpret the Jews Sacred Hebrew scriptures better, more accurately; then ALL the Rabbis/Teachers and credentialed Biblical Scholars on Planet Earth and make the preposterous, unsupported claim that the Hebrew word Mizraim does not mean Egypt, or that the Hebrews did not sojourn from Egypt, through the Sinai into Canaan/Israel.

You're Hubris is so gargantuan you use a Language you do not know: Hebrew, and attempt to write the Jews and Israel out of their own Book.......your Hubris is of monumental size. You claim the Torah is 'done away' with and then proceed to reinterpret it.

Explain that.


I proved you were wrong about your False Doctrine of Church replacement of the Jews and Israel Theology.

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

I proved you wrong about your False Theology that Yahshua/Jesus and the Apostles 'did away' with YHWHs Torah/Instruction.

http://www.yrm.org/yah_p_law.htm

Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods in My presence..."
This commandment is to be aware that the God of Israel exists absolutely and influences all events in the world[23][dead link] and that the goal of the redemption from Egypt was to become His servants (Rashi). It requires the acknowledgment of the single God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the denial of the existence of false gods (Rashi)


Yahshua said (Matthew 23:37-40) “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang (hinge) all the law and the prophets.”

The whole point of Human existence is to learn and practice the SEcond Commandment that Yahshua declares...........Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ........so far you are failing miserably............. ...........gossiping, judging, fearmongering, bearing false witness...........time to shape up and fly right Suzy Woo Woo...............

Time to stand Toe to Toe like you falsely claim you do......support your False Teachings.................you extract Scripture from it context to twist it to fit your bias, Noah was 10 Generations AFTER Adam, long after the continents divided, Peleg was 5 Generations after Noah, the verse you twist to claim it is about the Continents Dividing means no such thing...it is in relation to the Tower of Babylon incident when YHWH confused the tongues of Humankind and dispersed them to the far corners of the Earth.........the whole icident is about the Hubris of humans, something you should, but don't recognize....read/study the following Documents.

THE NATURE OF THE ACCOUNT
The narrative in Genesis 11:1-9 describes the divine inter-
vention among the human family to scatter them across the face
of the earth by means of striking at the :heart of their unity- their
language. A quick reading of the passage shows that the pre-
dominant idea is not the tower of Babel but this scattering.
If the point is not simply the tower, then this passage does not
present, as some have suggested, a Hebrew adaptation of the
Greek Titans storming heaven to dislodge God. Rather, the char-
acteristics of the people in this story are anxiety and pride
through their own gregariousness.1 The tower, on the one hand,
is born from the people's fear of being scattered across the earth;
and on the other hand it is an attempt to frustrate God's plan to
fill the earth (Gen. 9:1).
The sin. Since the story has the trappings of a judgment
narrative in which Yahweh interrupts mankind's misguided
activities and scatters them abroad, it may be assumed that the
antithesis of this scattering must be the sin. The major error was
not the building of a city, but the attempt of the race to live in one
City.2 Therefore it appears that the human family was striving for
unity, security, and social immortality (making a name) in de-
fiance of God's desire for them to fill the earth.
Divine punishment. It is important to keep in mind that the
"judgment" was not the destruction of the city but of the language that united the people. It was shattered into a multiplicity
of languages so that the common bond was destroyed.3 Thus the
text is demonstrating that the present number of languages that
form national barriers is a monument to sin.....................So it is with this story that the common history of all man-
kind comes to an abrupt end, which leaves the human race
hopelessly scattered across the face of the entire earth. It is this
that makes the present narrative so different from those preced-
ing it: In each judgment there was a gracious provision for hope
but in this judgment there is none. It does not offer a token of
grace, a promise of any blessing, a hope of salvation, or a way of
escape. There is no clothing for the naked sinner, no protective
mark for the fugitive, no rainbow in the dark sky. There is no ray
of hope. The primeval age ends with judgmental scattering and
complete confusion. The blessing is not here; the world must
await the new history.
In view of this, the story of the scattering of the nations is
actually the turning point of the book from primeval history to
the history of the blessing. From this very confused and dis-
persed situation nations would develop in utter futility until God
would make a great nation through one man who himself would
be "scattered" from this alluvial plain to the land of Canaan. The
blessings of final redemption and unification would come
through his seed.........................Irony is seen in the beginning and the ending of this pas-
sage. The group at Babel began as the whole earth (11:1), but
now they were spread over the whole earth (11:9). By this the
lesson is clarified: God's purpose will be accomplished in spite of
the arrogance and defiance of man's own purposes. He brings
down the proud, but exalts the faithful.
The significance of this little story is great. It explains to
God's people how the nations were scattered abroad. Yet the
import goes much deeper. The fact that it was Babylon, the
beginning of kingdoms under Nimrod from Cush, adds a rather
ominous warning: Great nations cannot defy God and long sur-
vive. The new nation of Israel need only survey the many nations
around her to perceive that God disperses and curses the rebel-
lious, bringing utter confusion and antagonism among them. If
Israel would obey and submit to God's will, then she would be the
source of blessing to the world.
Unfortunately, Israel also raised her head in pride and re-
fused to obey the Lord God. Thus she too was scattered across the
face of the earth.

true lilly wrote:Labor won't sink Malaysian solution

September 10, 2011 2:53PM
AAP
IMMIGRATION Minister Chris Bowen
has refused to confirm reports
the Government will try to refloat
its Malaysian solution.

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Christmas Island: 100th asylum boat arrives for Gillard

• Comment: Rudd joins smile-high club again
  
  
• Canberra: Parliament staff complain of bullying
  

• Labor won't sink Malaysian solution Herald Sun, 10 hours ago
  
• Gillard seeks action as smugglers close in The Australian, 1 day ago
  
• Go offshore but where? The Australian, 2 days ago
  
• Ruddock rues the trashing of Nauru The Australian, 2 days ago
  
• Coalition's plan to solve refugee impasse The Australian, 2 days ago
  

Struggling ... people cling to the wreckage of their boat
after it smashed against the Christmas Island coast.

A DISTRESS call giving out the co-ordinates of a
stricken boat carrying 105 Hazaras seeking asylum, who are now presumed
to have drowned, was received by Australian Customs and Border
Protection officials but the agency has never publicly revealed the
details.

Advice that the vessel was in distress and its position
in seas between Indonesia and Australia on October 3, 2009, was passed
by the agency to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, which called
in the Indonesian search and rescue agency to take over the search.

But the boat has never been found and those on board have
not been heard from since, despite the Home Affairs Minister, Brendan
O'Connor, having later said that ''subsequent credible information''
showed the boat's difficulties had been resolved.

true lilly wrote:Cabinet all at sea on refugee solution

Samantha Maiden
JULIA Gillard's Cabinet
has canvassed the option of
abandoning the Malaysian solution
and a return to onshore processing.

Wow...
what a difference some hours make...
TICK, TICK, TICK...

true lilly wrote:Labor won't sink Malaysian solution

September 10, 2011 2:53PM
AAP
IMMIGRATION Minister Chris Bowen
has refused to confirm reports
the Government will try to refloat
its Malaysian solution.

52 comments on this story
Christmas Island: 100th asylum boat arrives for Gillard

Cabinet all at sea on refugee solution
Samantha Maiden
From:Sunday Herald Sun
September 11, 2011 12:00AM

Labor leaders Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard and Greg Combet. The Daily Telegraph

JULIA Gillard's Cabinet is divided over refugees and has canvassed
the option of abandoning the Malaysian solution and a return to onshore
processing.

But the Prime Minister is expected to prevail at a special meeting
of Cabinet tomorrow and stare down rebels in the ALP and Greens leader
Bob Brown.

Caucus tensions are rising as former PM Kevin Rudd continues to build his profile.

Mr Rudd's supporters have warned Labor colleagues that voters will "wipe
us off the planet" unless there is a change in leadership before the
next election.

A small group of backers in the ALP caucus is
urging colleagues to consider a back-to-the-future leadership ticket
before the next election with Defence Minister Stephen Smith also being
touted.

"The only way we are going to come out of this is to get Kevin back," a Labor MP said.

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The new laws follow the High Court's ruling that the Malaysian solution people-swap was unlawful.

Desperate to secure the support of Tony Abbott
for the reforms in Parliament, the Prime Minister will outline
a deal that will allow the Coalition to pursue Nauru as a future option
and reactivate Labor's preferred regional solution, including Malaysia.

Two senior ministers have told the Sunday Herald Sun that
the High Court ruling prompted Cabinet discussions over
whether the opportunity had arisen to dump offshore processing.

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen even outlined the option in Cabinet,
but then explained why it was not an acceptable or effective method of
protecting the nation's borders.

Nauru was dismissed as an option because people smugglers knew
most asylum seekers ended up in Australia anyway and it was no longer
a deterrent.

The Gillard Government released costings yesterday suggesting the
Coalition's plan to reopen Nauru would cost $1 billion over four years.

"We know Nauru is not effective," Mr Bowen said.

"It's also a very expensive option."

There is still no guarantee the Coalition will support the new laws, a
prospect Labor has warned could result in up to 7000 asylum seekers
a year trying toreach Australia.

Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said he was not going to be lectured
by the Gillard Government about cost blowouts.

"The Coalition is willing to work with the Government if they wish to make
changes to the Act to put the issue of offshore processing beyond legal
doubt," he said. "But we've made no secret of our position on Malaysia."

According to senior ministers, long-standing concerns were
expressed in Cabinet over offshore processing.

The ALP platform clearly says
refugees should have their claims processed in Australia.

Sources said the discussions were respectful and part of a wide-ranging
conversation of all options, rather than a direct challenge to the PM's
authority.

Left faction convener Doug Cameron, who once complained
the ALP caucus had become political zombies too scared to speak their
minds, said the Malaysian solution was no solution at all.

"We should stick to the party platform," he said.

"That's onshore processing. It's the humane thing to do."

Northern Territory Senator Trish Crossin said:
"I don't think we should compromise on human rights as a first resort."

WA Labor MP Melissa Parke said she would argue strongly
against offshore processing.

ALP sources also suggested some Labor MPs may abstain from any vote.

They would face expulsion from the party
if they crossed the floor to vote with the Greens.
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