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Re: Flying? Call 13 13 13
true lilly Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:32 pm
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3205tintin" aka Cruise wrote:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3206
Curse of Cruise
In 1988 IRAN FLIGHT 655 was shot down on 3 JULY,
on the 26th birthday of TOM CRUISE.
YES, "tintin" posted as "Cruise"
BEFORE he FLEW OUT of MELBOURNE,
TO SYDNEY,
under the passport of "Aarnout van der Plooge".
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Re: Flying? Call 13 13 13
true lilly Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:50 pm
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
true lilly wrote:http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3205tintin" aka Cruise wrote:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3206
Curse of Cruise
In 1988 IRAN FLIGHT 655 was shot down on 3 JULY,
on the 26th birthday of TOM CRUISE.
YES, "tintin" posted as "Cruise"
BEFORE he FLEW OUT of MELBOURNE,
TO SYDNEY,
under the passport of "Aarnout van der Plooge".
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Re: Flying? Call 13 13 13
true lilly Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:14 pm
Oh, notice also, that "THE MESSAGE" "tintin/Cruise"
SHOVES DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT, IS THE LIE,
that "we can't escape 'the matrix' 'they(='his mob') set up",
that "they=his mob" "can and do kill whomever, whenever",
"they=his mob" decide to kill?
Notice THE VERY BEST NEWS Behind The News, vanished from
"tintin's" thread, when 'they=tintin & his mob' drove me out?
And NOTICE the 'names' that peddle the SAME LIES HERE,
as Icke/tintin/that mob, get stupidly, violently angry and
attack me all the more when I do post The Very Best News Ever?
Stupidly, because by doing so, 'they' highlight why 'they' also
mock the Warnings I post against Rejecting The Truth of The Good News.
So, while "tintin" IS INSANELY going hell for leather to try to
"KILL OFF ALL HOPE" on his thread, I'll again remind folk, that we have,
BETTER THAN HOPE, WE HAVE THE FAITHFUL PROMISES of
THE CREATOR of LIFE, WHO we can and SHOULD put our Trust in.
In our life we come across some miraculous and incredible survival
stories which leave us in awe and admiration. All such stories teach us
one thing that struggle for survival requires will of high magnitude; a
desire to live and go back to family. This strong will has miraculously
brought people back from death against all odds.
[some of the images below might be disturbing in nature]
Gejinder
September 19, 2010 at 9:53 am
When god is there nothing can happen.
tadhg
September 23, 2010 at 6:03 am
If God was there at all, none of this stuff would have happened.
true lilly Your comment is awaiting moderation.
November 7, 2011 at 7:19 am
tadhg:
the whole world is under the rule of The Prince of Death, and has been
since oxygen formed (yes science has recently discovered
that LIFE EXISTED on earth, BEFORE oxygen formed), as is clearly
described in God’s Word. GOD CREATED, SUSTAINS and SAVES LIFE, while we
yet remain under death’s rule, and that will not be forever.
Anyway, for Your Real Life’s sake, consider that, and this:
In my 50 years of life, I’ve been greatly blessed with more than a
few life saving miracles, but the outstanding, officially recorded
answer to a faithful mother’s prayer, was when my son, DIED in my arms,
and CAME BACK TO LIFE. Raised in a medical family, knowing first aid,
somehow I knew, standard practice wouldn’t be enough. “Oh God, what do I
do!”, and the answer that ‘fell in my head’, was “THUMP HIS CHEST.”, so
I did. I skipped all mouth to mouth etc. and thumped his chest, and
kept thumping, as my other son was on the phone with the ambulance
service, describing everything (like him not breathing for 10 minutes),
but getting no instruction as to what to do while we waited, and
waited…by the, very long, time they did arrive, he was not only
conscious, but his stats were so good, I had to argue for them to take
him to hospital! The Miracle? It was months later, that it made the
World News: Doctors had ‘Discovered’, in REAL EMERGENCIES, Go Straight To
CHEST COMPRESSIONS and KEEP IT UP. Skip mouth to mouth etc. So again I
Thank God, that He caused me to IGNORE “Best Practice”, AT THE TIME, and
ASK HIS ADVICE. Oh and ten minutes in warm weather, not freezing
conditions that slow degeneration, with no oxygen getting to his brain,
well, he “should have” at least been brain dead…instead of “too healthy
to take to hospital”!
SHOVES DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT, IS THE LIE,
that "we can't escape 'the matrix' 'they(='his mob') set up",
that "they=his mob" "can and do kill whomever, whenever",
"they=his mob" decide to kill?
Notice THE VERY BEST NEWS Behind The News, vanished from
"tintin's" thread, when 'they=tintin & his mob' drove me out?
And NOTICE the 'names' that peddle the SAME LIES HERE,
as Icke/tintin/that mob, get stupidly, violently angry and
attack me all the more when I do post The Very Best News Ever?
Stupidly, because by doing so, 'they' highlight why 'they' also
mock the Warnings I post against Rejecting The Truth of The Good News.
So, while "tintin" IS INSANELY going hell for leather to try to
"KILL OFF ALL HOPE" on his thread, I'll again remind folk, that we have,
BETTER THAN HOPE, WE HAVE THE FAITHFUL PROMISES of
THE CREATOR of LIFE, WHO we can and SHOULD put our Trust in.
10 Extremely Miraculous Survivorstrue lilly wrote:
Sep 25, 2009
Posted on Sep 25, 2009 | 1 comment
Resilient Spirits: 15 Miraculous Tales of Survival
It is truly amazing what the human body can achieve when pinned against
life or death situations.
Many survivors claim it to be an out-of-body experience – when survival
instincts kick in and the brain shuts down. Below is a list of
miraculous tales of survival that illustrate the resiliency of the human spirit.
Aron Ralston
(source)
Aron Ralston was hiking in the canyons
of Utah when an 800-pound boulder fell on his arm and left him for dead.
Pinned and bleeding for five days, he chose to cut off his own arm as
his only chance of survival. Leveraging the boulder to snap his bone, he
then used a pocketknife to cutaway the surrounding tissue and tendons
and managed to rappel down a 65-foot cliff to stagger to his rescue.
Team Endurance(source)
In 1914, Sir Ernest Shackleton assembled a crew for an Antarctic expedition on his ship, Endurance.
With no guarantee of return, but certain glory if they managed, their
tale began as the ship crashed into an ice pack. Stranded in an
unforgiving land and caring only for survival, the crew walked thousands
of miles, floated on icebergs, ate seal blubber and came out battered
but alive an astonishing two years later.
Joe Simpson
(source)
Joe Simpson and Simon Yates attempted to scale the Siula Grande
in the Peruvian Andes. In the midst of a blizzard, Simpson fell and
broke his leg leaving it to Yates to get the duo down to safety. Yates
lowered them bit-by-bit until their anchor slipped and left them
dangling precariously. After a silent hour of deliberation, Yates
presumed Simpson to be dead and cut his rope. Simpson fell onto an ice
brige below where despite massive injury, dehydration and hypothermia,
he managed to crawl five miles over the course of three days where he
was reunited with Yates at base camp.
Alexander Selkirk
(source)
In 1704, Alexander Selkirk caused some
trouble on his expedition ship and was left to die on an uninhabited
island in the South Pacific. His deserters left him with only a musket,
gunpowder, carpenter’s tools, a knife, a Bible and the clothes on his
back. In total solitude, Alexander managed to survive on the island for
four years and four months before he was eventually discovered and
rescued by a British ship in 1709.
Douglas Mawson
(source)
A trio of explorers set out from their
base camp to explore the Antarctic; one teammate fell through an
invisible ice crevasse taking all supplies along with him, another soon
perished due to weakness leaving Douglas Mawson as the sole survivor.
Surviving on the meat from his dog, he too fell into a crevasse but was
miraculously saved when his sled caught and left him suspended in
safety. Days later, he found his way back to camp where his condition
caused his team to ask, “My God, which one are you?”
Juliane Koepcke
(source)
Flight 508 was struck by lightning above
a Peruvian rainforest and 17-year-old Juliane Koepcke was the only
survivor. Still strapped in her seat, she was ejected from the plane and
landed two miles from the wreckage. Upon returning to consciousness,
she had a broken collarbone and was blind in one eye but had the wits to
know “where there’s water there’s people.” She walked along the river
for nine days until she found a cabin where she treated her
worm-infested wounds and awaited the owner.
Uruguayan Rugby Team
(source)
A Uruguayan rugby team was put to the
test when their plane flying over the Andes crashed into the peaks. Of
the 45 people on board, only 16 survived the initial crash and the
avalanche that followed on day 17. The survivors managed to stay alive
for 10 weeks by resorting to cannibalism – eating the flesh of the
fallen. Two of the men eventually ventured out, flagged down a Chilean
horseman and ended the 72-day struggle.
Steven Callahan
(source)
Six days after Steven Callahan set sail
on a boat he built himself, it sank and left him drifting aimlessly on a
5-foot life raft. With minimal rations and a makeshift spear, he
battled malnourishment, dehydration, sunburn, a now leaking raft and
countless shark attacks on his road to survival. In total Callahan
drifted 1,800 miles and managed to survive 76 days on the barren sea
before his rescue.
Yossi Ghinsberg
(source)
Yossi Ghinsberg ventured into the
Bolivian Amazon with a total of three friends. When they realized they
were lost and lacking supplies, the foursome decided to divide into
pairs – Ghinsberg and his partner floated a raft down the river while
the others were never seen again. Ghinsberg’s raft eventually hit a rock
and the duo was split to fend for themselves. While his partner
immediately found help, Ghinsberg was left alone in the wild for 19 days
before his partner and a rescue team recovered him.
Tami Oldham Ashcraft
(source)
When sailing vet Tami Oldham Ashcraft
and her fiancée Richard Sharp accepted the duty to deliver a sailboat
from Tahiti to San Diego, they never considered Hurricane Raymond.
Caught amongst 50-foot waves and 160-mph winds; the boat capsized and
knocked Ashcraft unconscious. She woke 27 hours later to find that Sharp
was gone and the boat was in shambles. Determined, she reconstructed a
makeshift mast and sail, plotted a 1,500-mile course to Hawaii and
braved forty days at sea.
Ricky Megee
(source)
Ricky Megee was drugged while
hitchhiking and left for dead in the middle of the Australian Northern
Territory. Disoriented and malnourished, he constructed shelters when
needed, drank water when he could and lived off of leeches, insects,
snakes, frogs and lizards. Surviving the outback for a total of 71 days,
Megee started his fight at 230 pounds and was a mere 105 pounds when he
wondered onto the farm that ultimately rescued him.
Mark Inglis and Phil Doole
(source)
Mark Inglis and Phil Doole were climbing
the peaks Aoraki Mount Cook, New Zealand’s highest mountain, when a
white storm surrounded them. Desperate, they built a snow cave in an
attempt to stay put and wait-out the blizzard’s wrath. Though they
managed to survive the elements for 13 days with minimal rations, they
both suffered extreme frostbite and their legs were later amputated.
Joe Spring
(source)
An innocent day of cross-country skiing
in Steamboat Springs, CO turned nasty for Joe Spring when he broke his
leg. In the middle of nowhere and with minimal day-trip
supplies, he crawled 13 hours a day for eight days in the direction of
home. Greatly dehydrated and losing more than 35 pounds before his
rescue, he spent his nights shivering in tree wells and drew motivation
from the anguish that others would feel if he were to die.
Andrew Taber
(source)
Andrew Taber and his friend Loïc Pillois
found themselves lost in a 78-mile section of forest near Approuague
River in South America. Spending a total of 51 days in the jungle, the
duo divvied out tasks for survival and resorted to eating beetles,
tarantulas and even bugs that swarmed to their excrement. They lost 100
pounds collectively on their 76-mile journey to the edge of the jungle
where they were miraculously sited just 2 miles from Saül.
Poon Lim
(source)
Poon Lim jumped overboard with a life
vest moments before the boilers exploded on his WWII battleship.
Stranded at sea, 750 miles east of the Amazon, he was the sole survivor
of the wreckage. After securing a small life raft, he spent his days
fashioning fishhooks from nails, snaring birds and corralling rainwater
for hydration. Now a legend, Lim was discovered by a Brazilian fisherman
133 days after the original shipwreck.
One Response to “Resilient Spirits: 15 Miraculous Tales of Survival”
The Guitar God says:
October 21, 2009 at 10:05 am
Add “without internet” to all of these and these are truly remarkable.
2.true lilly says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
November 6, 2011 at 6:54 pm
In my 50 years of life, I’ve been greatly blessed with more than a
few life saving miracles, but the outstanding, officially recorded
answer to a faithful mother’s prayer, was when my son, DIED in my arms,
and CAME BACK TO LIFE. Raised in a medical family, knowing first aid,
somehow I knew, standard practice wouldn’t be enough. “Oh God, what do I
do!”, and the answer that ‘fell in my head’, was “THUMP HIS CHEST.”, so
I did. I skipped all mouth to mouth etc. and thumped his chest, and
kept thumping, as my other son was on the phone with the ambulance
service, describing everything (like him not breathing for 10 minutes),
but getting no instruction as to what to do while we waited, and
waited…by the, very long, time they did arrive, he was not only
conscious, but his stats were so good, I had to argue for them to take
him to hospital! The Miracle? It was months later, that it made the
World News: Doctors had ‘Discovered’, in REAL EMERGENCIES, Go Straight To
CHEST COMPRESSIONS and KEEP IT UP. Skip mouth to mouth etc. So again I
Thank God, that He caused me to IGNORE “Best Practice”, AT THE TIME, and
ASK HIS ADVICE. Oh and ten minutes in warm weather, not freezing
conditions that slow degeneration, with no oxygen getting to his brain,
well, he “should have” at least been brain dead…instead of “too healthy
to take to hospital”!
In our life we come across some miraculous and incredible survival
stories which leave us in awe and admiration. All such stories teach us
one thing that struggle for survival requires will of high magnitude; a
desire to live and go back to family. This strong will has miraculously
brought people back from death against all odds.
[some of the images below might be disturbing in nature]
Gejinder
September 19, 2010 at 9:53 am
When god is there nothing can happen.
tadhg
September 23, 2010 at 6:03 am
If God was there at all, none of this stuff would have happened.
true lilly Your comment is awaiting moderation.
November 7, 2011 at 7:19 am
tadhg:
the whole world is under the rule of The Prince of Death, and has been
since oxygen formed (yes science has recently discovered
that LIFE EXISTED on earth, BEFORE oxygen formed), as is clearly
described in God’s Word. GOD CREATED, SUSTAINS and SAVES LIFE, while we
yet remain under death’s rule, and that will not be forever.
Anyway, for Your Real Life’s sake, consider that, and this:
In my 50 years of life, I’ve been greatly blessed with more than a
few life saving miracles, but the outstanding, officially recorded
answer to a faithful mother’s prayer, was when my son, DIED in my arms,
and CAME BACK TO LIFE. Raised in a medical family, knowing first aid,
somehow I knew, standard practice wouldn’t be enough. “Oh God, what do I
do!”, and the answer that ‘fell in my head’, was “THUMP HIS CHEST.”, so
I did. I skipped all mouth to mouth etc. and thumped his chest, and
kept thumping, as my other son was on the phone with the ambulance
service, describing everything (like him not breathing for 10 minutes),
but getting no instruction as to what to do while we waited, and
waited…by the, very long, time they did arrive, he was not only
conscious, but his stats were so good, I had to argue for them to take
him to hospital! The Miracle? It was months later, that it made the
World News: Doctors had ‘Discovered’, in REAL EMERGENCIES, Go Straight To
CHEST COMPRESSIONS and KEEP IT UP. Skip mouth to mouth etc. So again I
Thank God, that He caused me to IGNORE “Best Practice”, AT THE TIME, and
ASK HIS ADVICE. Oh and ten minutes in warm weather, not freezing
conditions that slow degeneration, with no oxygen getting to his brain,
well, he “should have” at least been brain dead…instead of “too healthy
to take to hospital”!
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Re: Flying? Call 13 13 13
true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:37 am
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH
(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)
Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya
...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...
SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...
...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html
...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?
YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,
GOD CAN and DOES!
And That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.
P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me
,
when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
cori wrote:
05-01-2011, 03:33 PM
This is a WARNING! of a total financial crash.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555tintin wrote:
05-01-2011, 09:42 PM
Quote:
Folks,
Originally Posted by faraday
The Land Of The Rising Sun
In the U.S television series, "FRIENDS",
the characters helped and protected each
other like a FAMILY.
I see poster FARADAY has returned.
I have seen many idiots here but
FARADAY is the
SUPREME SUPERIOR IDIOT
Poster FARADAY told the READERS here they WERE ALL AGENTS.
Just to let you know,
Don't take anything serious FARADAY posts.
I have no problem with IDIOTS.
( I mean, that's life)
FARADAY is different because he/she (whatever) crosses
all borders of sanity, decency, lunacy, etc.....
Posters like FARADY make me jump to GREECE RESTAURANTS
and order METAXA in amounts GRAHAM GREENE wouldn't
even dare to write about. ( Sorry Graham, it's all very true)
Sorry Graham, remember our good time in Vienna?
Yeah, those good old days.
No Idiots around, you know, just Anton Karas.....
Romance, spies, suspence....
Remember Orson?
Did you know, Dolores Del Rio and Me.....
Well, forget it.....
Between You, and me Graham,
Dolores actually was Dutch!
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH
(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)
Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya
...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...
SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...
...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html
...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?
YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,
GOD CAN and DOES!
And That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.
P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me
,when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
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Re: Flying? Call 13 13 13
Ciggy Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:28 am
Nobody cares about Graham Greene. You spam in vain, cackling hyena.
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Join date : 2009-01-27
Re: Flying? Call 13 13 13
true lilly Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:49 am
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Oh, "on board The Spirit of a Dutchman"...
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The dogs were known as "Rottweil butchers' dogs"
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And remember,
there are MORE GERMANS LEAVING GERMANY,
that Foreigners swarming in...AND,
Australia has ONLY sent
100 of 1370 ILLEGAL GERMAN'S IN OZion
(to 30 June 2010), BACK TO GERMANY...
but then with so many GERMAN WW2 POW's,
sent here and being allowed to stay 'as' OZion's citizens
IN THIS LAND THEY PLAN TO TAKE FOR THEMSELVES,
and like so many of Their EUROPEAN Allies, LOOKING and
SPEAKING "like us", it's so easy for them to be hidden
amongst us...to "DISAPPEAR" WHILE AMONGST US...
Let's deport this terror boss
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
November 21, 2011
12:00AM
Abdul Nacer Benbrika.
Herald Sun
THE unrivalled success of Australia's postwar immigration tidal wave
- it has transformed our nation in ways we increasingly seldom bother
to observe - is besmirched by just two problems, and the time has come
to deal with them.
Too many foreigners implacably hostile to the notions of democracy,
equality and our liberal Western ways have been allowed to become
Australian citizens.
That's a fact.
The would-be mass killer Abdul Benbrika
and like-minded "Australian" Islamists
are evidence enough, the tip of a threatening iceberg
that floated unnoticed into Australian waters
not all that many years ago.
The 1949 Immigration Act, dated with nationalistic pride on January 26 that year,
did not foresee the rise of radical Islam nor its adherents' strategies
of entering Western nations like a computer virus that one day would
click to "on", in a way the fizzer Y2K bug failed to a decade back.
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This dog-eared and hurriedly drawn Act of Parliament, one of our
most important, also fails us today by severely restricting our ability
to deport from Australia, not just Trojan Horse Islamists, but deadly
violent men and women we failed to detect as they sailed through the
effortless steps to citizenship.
In recent days there has been news to dismay those of us who now realise
how hamstrung we are with simplistic rules set in place by the naively enthusiastic
Arthur Augustus Calwell, the 1940s federal minister whose immigration program
this is.
"Populate or perish," was Calwell's cry in the 1940s.
A Hansonite response today might be "populate and perish".
Pauline Hanson was a useful idiot for those racists who oppose our migration program,
and the attention given to her ignorant "views" on the subject deformed the national debate.
But that doesn't mean there aren't migrants here that we can do without.
Calwell, to become Opposition leader and so very nearly prime minister but for a
missing bit of DNA - the charisma gene - got much wrong in his life, but
his immigration plans changed the nation, and very much for the better in ways
even he could not have foreseen.
It's just the details I am quibbling with this morning,
minutia that one day might kill you, or me, or many of us.
That's what Algerian-born Benbrika and his team planned in 2005, but he was
at sixes and sevens: should he bomb the MCG on Grand Final day, or perhaps
the Flemington racecourse for the Melbourne Cup? Decisions, decisions.
His team was settled on just one thing: as many Australians, men, women,
children - it didn't matter - should die for the greatness of their god as they could muster.
It was quantity of murder they sought, not quality. If some Muslims were
inadvertently caught up in their firestorm, well, they might have to
divvy up the post-mortem virgins
between them.
The afterlife prospects of any Muslim women inadvertently killed in such an attack
were less clear.
Two members of Benbrika's terror cell were released the other day -
Aimen Joud and Ahmed Raad - after short sentences that are often
the hallmark of Victoria's justice system.
Neither can be deported.
They are the sons of Lebanese migrants and both were born here. It's why
Benbrika's strike team was described during its trial as a "home-grown"
terror network.
So they are our problem and, presumably, the Victorian and federal police
will monitor them very closely - indeed, forever - and at enormous expense
to you and me.
These are men, if I may use the term loosely, who entertained themselves
by watching videos of the beheading of infidels by Muslim extremists.
If they have abandoned their jihad against our Western values,
they are keeping that news to themselves.
But Benbrika, their ringleader, is another matter.
He's out in November 2017 and then free to begin plotting more mass murder,
to which he is committed.
He shouldn't even be in Australia. He overstayed a visitor's visa in 1989,
was declared an illegal immigrant and ordered out of the country. Three times.
Then he married a Lebanese woman
who had recently become an Australian citizen
and that secured his stay.
He then also became an Australian citizen.
Australia has routinely deported back to Britain bad men
who mistakenly thought they were citizens. And who can blame them?
They could vote, they could be called up to fight and die for "their" country,
and presumably they thought they were here for keeps.
There are about 900,000
"when it suits me" Australians still calling here home.
A by-product of that is our deporting New Zealanders six times more often
than any other nationality.
We also deported Swedish-born armed robber Stefan Nystrom after his jail term
and he'd lived here since he was just 27 days old.
But ridding ourselves of the malevolent and worthless Benbrika is trickier.
According to an Immigration Department spokesman Australian citizenship
can only be revoked "in very limited circumstances".
"There is no provision that enables citizenship to be revoked where a serious
offence is committed after citizenship has been acquired."
Effectively, this means you must have lied about your circumstances during the
migration or citizenship application processes. Well, here's good news.
I reckon Benbrika has.
When you become an Australian, you utter these words:
"From this time forward, I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey."
No Islamist can say that
without wincing.
The lying Benbrika shares none of the democratic convictions that bind
us as Australians, and which President Barack Obama pointed out last
week in Canberra are not "American rights, or Australian rights, or
Western rights. They are human rights."
Since our first Immigration Act 62 years ago,
the citizenships of just 14 Australians have been revoked.
Let's make sure Abdul Benbrika, who wants to kill you and your children,
pushes that tally up to 15 when he is released in November 2017.
Even well-known criminal lawyer Rob Stary,
who has represented terrorism suspects,
and many an underdog - and more than a few dogs,
including Carl Williams - agrees with me:
"I think there should be a category of offenders
who should forfeit their citizenship."
He sees Benbrika as an example, and he believes
we should have the power to revoke citizenship for such criminals.
"I wouldn't have a blanket provision that once you are an Australian
citizen, you are immune to deportation or revocation of citizenship,"
Stary said.
Should we worry about Benbrika's seven children? No.
Should we worry about his naturalised Australian wife? No.
Let's just worry about us.
There, I fixed "your" quote. Lets not confuse folk about who the angry, ranting drunken bitches are
...now, back to my quotes, and reply, IN CONTEXT 
Don't "you" have someone other than "yourself"
to SPAM "YOUR" LONG AGO DEBUNKED LIES AT?
Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that ALL "YOUR" LIES
ARE EXPOSED, BY, "YOUR" REFUSAL TO ACCEPT that when
GOD SAID, "FROM THE BEGINNING", that IS WHAT HE MEANT?
Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that there is no free and
open church, teaching that what is described in Holy Scripture,
is supported by the recent discoveries of science?
Haven't "YOU" done enough to cause honest people to ask,
"WHY IS THAT SO?", AND SO, CAUSE them to DISCOVER
THE ANSWER, FOR THEMSELVES?
By Steve Doughty
Last updated at 2:17 AM on 21st November 2011
Hundreds of thousands of migrants have ‘disappeared’ at the stroke of a pen under a new official counting system.
The method has led to apparent large falls in the numbers of migrants thought to live in London and other major cities.
The change has provoked fury among council leaders who say the immigrant populations
of their districts have been grossly underestimated by government statisticians.
Migrants 'disappear': London, Manchester, Bristol, Cambridge and Oxford
are among cities who have had 'large downward revisions' from
the new counting method
Westminster and Kensington in London, Manchester, Bristol, Oxford and Cambridge
are among places thought to have had their estimated populations reduced
by many thousands by the Office for National Statistics.
Colin Barrow, Tory leader of Westminster, said: ‘After four years of work
supposedly improving migration estimates, the ONS apparently still has
little idea how many migrants are in this country or where they live and
work.
‘Our incoming migrant population appears to have dropped by 17 per cent over four
years; you only have to go out into the bars and restaurants in the West End to see
that migrants come to Westminster to live and work in much greater numbers than this.’
More...
More than nine out of ten migrants to the UK live in England,
which has become the sixth most crowded major country in the world,
the MigrationWatch think-tank said last week.
Last year net migration was 239,000.
The new estimates method, to be used from next year onwards, uses the same source
of immigration statistics the ONS has always used. This is the
International Passenger Survey, a check on intentions of arrivals at air
and sea ports and on the Eurostar.
From this researchers use a complex formula, based on other official population
databases, to estimate the number of yearly arrivals.
Under the new method, this formula has been tweaked, resulting in changes to
the estimated numbers arriving at certain towns and cities.
Only 4,000?
The new estimate pins the number of migrants in 2009 in Westminster
to just 4,000.
Tory leader Colin Barrow finds this seriously questionable.
Some have fallen while others have risen, but the total remains unchanged.
Westminster’s migrant population has been reduced by 10,000, and Manchester’s and
Bristol’s each by 30,000. According to ONS briefing papers, Kensington and Chelsea,
Oxford and Cambridge have had ‘quite large downward revisions’.
Mr Barrow said: ‘We would seriously question the estimate that fewer than 4,000
migrants came to Westminster in the 2009 financial year to seek work.
'We have seen more people registering with doctors and paying council tax in
Westminster, so we fail to understand how the government statisticians can be so wrong.’
Councils can lose millions in Treasury grants if Whitehall cuts their population estimates.
The ONS was scheduled to publish papers about the new migration counting
system last week, but failed to do so. Some places are said to show a
higher count, such as Newham, East London, with a 13 per cent increase.
The ONS declined to comment yesterday.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064087/Migrants-disappear-Thousands-migrants-counted-cities-new-official-system.html#ixzz1eJCwqHiG
And now, after 16 YEARS of SCATTERING, MIXING, MINGLING,
AND LOSING, SELF CONFESSED ANTI CHRISTS, ALL OVER what
remained of (once civil), Christian Faith Based, European Nations,
that NOW HAVE FELLOW COUNTRYMEN ATTACKING EACH OTHER,
The FOREWARNED, Closing of Boarders, BEGINS...!!!...while,
"Those" SAME ANTI CHRISTS KEEP DEMANDING that
WE LETS THEM FLOOD UNCONTROLLED INTO AUSTRALIA!!!
"Sorry. We don't know where your cat is"
EU moves to end
passport-free Schengen travel
The European Union has moved toward
reversing passport free travel
across the
continent
amid fears of a wave of migrants
fleeing unrest in north Africa.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8511019/EU-moves-to-end-passport-free-Schengen-travel.html
BELGIUM'S squabbling political parties failed to
hammer out a coalition deal in weekend talks
after more than 500 days without a government. Read more
All word leaders worried about Europe - PM
JULIA Gillard says her recent travels have uncovered
a common thread of concern
amongst world leaders about Europe. Read more
Libya may have received chemical weapons from Iran
THE US is investigating whether Iran supplied
Ghadafi's Libyan regime with artillery shells that
were filled with a highly toxic mustard agent. Read more
Bomb attack wounds nine in Thailand
A REMOTE-controlled bomb has exploded
in violence-plagued southern Thailand,
wounding nine people, including three monks. Read more
Manila court lets Arroyo stay in hospital
PHILLIPPINE court has allows former president
to be detained temporarily in an upscale hospital suite
as she awaits trial on electoral fraud charges. Read more
Rudd didn't need to talk uranium, says PM
JULIA Gillard says she didn't have to consult Kevin Rudd
over a push to overturn ban on sellinguranium to India
because it was a party matter. Read more
Australia's Herculean peace offering to Indonesia
AUSTRALIA has extended an olive branch to Indonesia,
donating four C130 Hercules planes and three
navy vessels to help in disaster relief. Read more
And so, "they" NEED to keep the world believing in
'the out of Egypt time line', so that people WON'T
RECOGNISE ALL GOD'S FOREWARNING SIGNS that
also PROVE THE FAITHFULNESS of GOD'S WORD.
Pet owner Christine White wants answers
after her two beloved rottweilers died
of suspected carbon monoxide poisoning
while on board the Spirit of Tasmania,
travelling to a dog show.
Picture: Bruce Magilton Read More
Oh, "on board The Spirit of a Dutchman"...
The Rottweiler originated in Rottweil, Germany.
The dogs were known as "Rottweil butchers' dogs"
German economy to slow next year - panel
And remember,
there are MORE GERMANS LEAVING GERMANY,
that Foreigners swarming in...AND,
Australia has ONLY sent
100 of 1370 ILLEGAL GERMAN'S IN OZion
(to 30 June 2010), BACK TO GERMANY...
but then with so many GERMAN WW2 POW's,
sent here and being allowed to stay 'as' OZion's citizens
IN THIS LAND THEY PLAN TO TAKE FOR THEMSELVES,
and like so many of Their EUROPEAN Allies, LOOKING and
SPEAKING "like us", it's so easy for them to be hidden
amongst us...to "DISAPPEAR" WHILE AMONGST US...
Let's deport this terror boss
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
November 21, 2011
12:00AM
Abdul Nacer Benbrika. Herald Sun
THE unrivalled success of Australia's postwar immigration tidal wave
- it has transformed our nation in ways we increasingly seldom bother
to observe - is besmirched by just two problems, and the time has come
to deal with them.
Too many foreigners implacably hostile to the notions of democracy,
equality and our liberal Western ways have been allowed to become
Australian citizens.
That's a fact.
The would-be mass killer Abdul Benbrika
and like-minded "Australian" Islamists
are evidence enough, the tip of a threatening iceberg
that floated unnoticed into Australian waters
not all that many years ago.
The 1949 Immigration Act, dated with nationalistic pride on January 26 that year,
did not foresee the rise of radical Islam nor its adherents' strategies
of entering Western nations like a computer virus that one day would
click to "on", in a way the fizzer Y2K bug failed to a decade back.
Related Coverage
- Enough illegals to fill a city The Daily Telegraph, 1 hour ago
- Young mums have it much tougher Herald Sun, 26 Sep 2011
- Terror-cell cleric Benbrika to stay Adelaide Now, 23 Sep 2011
- Backflip on Benbrika is ludicrous Herald Sun, 22 Sep 2011
- Former minister let Benbrika stay Herald Sun, 22 Sep 2011
This dog-eared and hurriedly drawn Act of Parliament, one of our
most important, also fails us today by severely restricting our ability
to deport from Australia, not just Trojan Horse Islamists, but deadly
violent men and women we failed to detect as they sailed through the
effortless steps to citizenship.
In recent days there has been news to dismay those of us who now realise
how hamstrung we are with simplistic rules set in place by the naively enthusiastic
Arthur Augustus Calwell, the 1940s federal minister whose immigration program
this is.
"Populate or perish," was Calwell's cry in the 1940s.
A Hansonite response today might be "populate and perish".
Pauline Hanson was a useful idiot for those racists who oppose our migration program,
and the attention given to her ignorant "views" on the subject deformed the national debate.
But that doesn't mean there aren't migrants here that we can do without.
Calwell, to become Opposition leader and so very nearly prime minister but for a
missing bit of DNA - the charisma gene - got much wrong in his life, but
his immigration plans changed the nation, and very much for the better in ways
even he could not have foreseen.
It's just the details I am quibbling with this morning,
minutia that one day might kill you, or me, or many of us.
That's what Algerian-born Benbrika and his team planned in 2005, but he was
at sixes and sevens: should he bomb the MCG on Grand Final day, or perhaps
the Flemington racecourse for the Melbourne Cup? Decisions, decisions.
His team was settled on just one thing: as many Australians, men, women,
children - it didn't matter - should die for the greatness of their god as they could muster.
It was quantity of murder they sought, not quality. If some Muslims were
inadvertently caught up in their firestorm, well, they might have to
divvy up the post-mortem virgins
between them.
The afterlife prospects of any Muslim women inadvertently killed in such an attack
were less clear.
Two members of Benbrika's terror cell were released the other day -
Aimen Joud and Ahmed Raad - after short sentences that are often
the hallmark of Victoria's justice system.
Neither can be deported.
They are the sons of Lebanese migrants and both were born here. It's why
Benbrika's strike team was described during its trial as a "home-grown"
terror network.
So they are our problem and, presumably, the Victorian and federal police
will monitor them very closely - indeed, forever - and at enormous expense
to you and me.
These are men, if I may use the term loosely, who entertained themselves
by watching videos of the beheading of infidels by Muslim extremists.
If they have abandoned their jihad against our Western values,
they are keeping that news to themselves.
But Benbrika, their ringleader, is another matter.
He's out in November 2017 and then free to begin plotting more mass murder,
to which he is committed.
He shouldn't even be in Australia. He overstayed a visitor's visa in 1989,
was declared an illegal immigrant and ordered out of the country. Three times.
Then he married a Lebanese woman
who had recently become an Australian citizen
and that secured his stay.
He then also became an Australian citizen.
Australia has routinely deported back to Britain bad men
who mistakenly thought they were citizens. And who can blame them?
They could vote, they could be called up to fight and die for "their" country,
and presumably they thought they were here for keeps.
There are about 900,000
"when it suits me" Australians still calling here home.
A by-product of that is our deporting New Zealanders six times more often
than any other nationality.
We also deported Swedish-born armed robber Stefan Nystrom after his jail term
and he'd lived here since he was just 27 days old.
But ridding ourselves of the malevolent and worthless Benbrika is trickier.
According to an Immigration Department spokesman Australian citizenship
can only be revoked "in very limited circumstances".
"There is no provision that enables citizenship to be revoked where a serious
offence is committed after citizenship has been acquired."
Effectively, this means you must have lied about your circumstances during the
migration or citizenship application processes. Well, here's good news.
I reckon Benbrika has.
When you become an Australian, you utter these words:
"From this time forward, I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey."
No Islamist can say that
without wincing.
The lying Benbrika shares none of the democratic convictions that bind
us as Australians, and which President Barack Obama pointed out last
week in Canberra are not "American rights, or Australian rights, or
Western rights. They are human rights."
Since our first Immigration Act 62 years ago,
the citizenships of just 14 Australians have been revoked.
Let's make sure Abdul Benbrika, who wants to kill you and your children,
pushes that tally up to 15 when he is released in November 2017.
Even well-known criminal lawyer Rob Stary,
who has represented terrorism suspects,
and many an underdog - and more than a few dogs,
including Carl Williams - agrees with me:
"I think there should be a category of offenders
who should forfeit their citizenship."
He sees Benbrika as an example, and he believes
we should have the power to revoke citizenship for such criminals.
"I wouldn't have a blanket provision that once you are an Australian
citizen, you are immune to deportation or revocation of citizenship,"
Stary said.
Should we worry about Benbrika's seven children? No.
Should we worry about his naturalised Australian wife? No.
Let's just worry about us.
true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.
barnacle bill wrote:You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context.
There, I fixed "your" quote. Lets not confuse folk about who the angry, ranting drunken bitches are
...now, back to my quotes, and reply, IN CONTEXT Don't "you" have someone other than "yourself"
to SPAM "YOUR" LONG AGO DEBUNKED LIES AT?
Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that ALL "YOUR" LIES
ARE EXPOSED, BY, "YOUR" REFUSAL TO ACCEPT that when
GOD SAID, "FROM THE BEGINNING", that IS WHAT HE MEANT?
Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that there is no free and
open church, teaching that what is described in Holy Scripture,
is supported by the recent discoveries of science?
Haven't "YOU" done enough to cause honest people to ask,
"WHY IS THAT SO?", AND SO, CAUSE them to DISCOVER
THE ANSWER, FOR THEMSELVES?
true lilly wrote:Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.
Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city
Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...
...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...
...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.
SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots
The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.
Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.
And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!
"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city
Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.
58 comments on this story
Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing
...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!
Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.
Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.
Picture: AFP Read More
Egypt's latest uprising
"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.", is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence, "they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.
Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.
As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!
Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!
That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...
WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#
An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.
A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.
''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.
''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?
''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''
Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/middle-east-protests/
Thousands of migrants 'disappear' in cities under new official systemtrue
lilly wrote:I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...
ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...
and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!
nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria
6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.
Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
by barnacle bill
Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".
"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.
P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........
I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!
ADD TO the case I've made...See, "THEY" DEMANDtrue lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.
Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.
SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.
And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.
P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?
Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
By Steve Doughty
Last updated at 2:17 AM on 21st November 2011
Hundreds of thousands of migrants have ‘disappeared’ at the stroke of a pen under a new official counting system.
The method has led to apparent large falls in the numbers of migrants thought to live in London and other major cities.
The change has provoked fury among council leaders who say the immigrant populations
of their districts have been grossly underestimated by government statisticians.
Migrants 'disappear': London, Manchester, Bristol, Cambridge and Oxford
are among cities who have had 'large downward revisions' from
the new counting method
Westminster and Kensington in London, Manchester, Bristol, Oxford and Cambridge
are among places thought to have had their estimated populations reduced
by many thousands by the Office for National Statistics.
Colin Barrow, Tory leader of Westminster, said: ‘After four years of work
supposedly improving migration estimates, the ONS apparently still has
little idea how many migrants are in this country or where they live and
work.
‘Our incoming migrant population appears to have dropped by 17 per cent over four
years; you only have to go out into the bars and restaurants in the West End to see
that migrants come to Westminster to live and work in much greater numbers than this.’
More...
- Foreign criminals are 'building a network of children' to stay in the UK, Home Office warns
- Firms who take on British teenagers instead of migrant workers should be given subsidies, says head of CBI
More than nine out of ten migrants to the UK live in England,
which has become the sixth most crowded major country in the world,
the MigrationWatch think-tank said last week.
Last year net migration was 239,000.
The new estimates method, to be used from next year onwards, uses the same source
of immigration statistics the ONS has always used. This is the
International Passenger Survey, a check on intentions of arrivals at air
and sea ports and on the Eurostar.
From this researchers use a complex formula, based on other official population
databases, to estimate the number of yearly arrivals.
Under the new method, this formula has been tweaked, resulting in changes to
the estimated numbers arriving at certain towns and cities.
Only 4,000?
The new estimate pins the number of migrants in 2009 in Westminster
to just 4,000.
Tory leader Colin Barrow finds this seriously questionable.
Some have fallen while others have risen, but the total remains unchanged.
Westminster’s migrant population has been reduced by 10,000, and Manchester’s and
Bristol’s each by 30,000. According to ONS briefing papers, Kensington and Chelsea,
Oxford and Cambridge have had ‘quite large downward revisions’.
Mr Barrow said: ‘We would seriously question the estimate that fewer than 4,000
migrants came to Westminster in the 2009 financial year to seek work.
'We have seen more people registering with doctors and paying council tax in
Westminster, so we fail to understand how the government statisticians can be so wrong.’
Councils can lose millions in Treasury grants if Whitehall cuts their population estimates.
The ONS was scheduled to publish papers about the new migration counting
system last week, but failed to do so. Some places are said to show a
higher count, such as Newham, East London, with a 13 per cent increase.
The ONS declined to comment yesterday.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064087/Migrants-disappear-Thousands-migrants-counted-cities-new-official-system.html#ixzz1eJCwqHiG
And now, after 16 YEARS of SCATTERING, MIXING, MINGLING,
AND LOSING, SELF CONFESSED ANTI CHRISTS, ALL OVER what
remained of (once civil), Christian Faith Based, European Nations,
that NOW HAVE FELLOW COUNTRYMEN ATTACKING EACH OTHER,
The FOREWARNED, Closing of Boarders, BEGINS...!!!...while,
"Those" SAME ANTI CHRISTS KEEP DEMANDING that
WE LETS THEM FLOOD UNCONTROLLED INTO AUSTRALIA!!!
"Sorry. We don't know where your cat is"
EU moves to end
passport-free Schengen travel
The European Union has moved toward
reversing passport free travel
across the
continent
amid fears of a wave of migrants
fleeing unrest in north Africa.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8511019/EU-moves-to-end-passport-free-Schengen-travel.html
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mugglez Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:33 am
no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar...... 
What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?
lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.
That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.
You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.
You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.
ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.
Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.
Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?
The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html
Counting Backwards from Now
60 years ago - Invention of the computer.
130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.
180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.
540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.
5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.
7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.
8,800 years ago - The first cities.
10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.
12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.
18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.
21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.
32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.
35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.
50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.
100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.
110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.
130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.
200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.
250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.
350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.
380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.
450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.
620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.
1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.
1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.
2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").
3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.
3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.
5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).
21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.
24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.
34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.
50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.
67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.
114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.
150 million years ago - First birds.
200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.
205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.
235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.
250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.
313 million years ago - First reptiles.
365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.
395 million years ago - First insects on land.
415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.
440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.
670 million years ago - First animals.
630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.
800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.
1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia
1.3 billion years ago - First plants.
1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.
2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.
3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.
4 billion years ago - First life on Earth.
4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.
4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.
4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.
13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.
13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.
13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!
The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe
That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted...
true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.
Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?
lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.
That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.
You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.
You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.
ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.
Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.
Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?
The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html
Counting Backwards from Now
60 years ago - Invention of the computer.
130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.
180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.
540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.
5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.
7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.
8,800 years ago - The first cities.
10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.
12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.
18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.
21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.
32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.
35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.
50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.
100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.
110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.
130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.
200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.
250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.
350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.
380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.
450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.
620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.
1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.
1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.
2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").
3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.
3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.
5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).
21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.
24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.
34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.
50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.
67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.
114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.
150 million years ago - First birds.
200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.
205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.
235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.
250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.
313 million years ago - First reptiles.
365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.
395 million years ago - First insects on land.
415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.
440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.
670 million years ago - First animals.
630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.
800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.
1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia
1.3 billion years ago - First plants.
1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.
2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.
3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.
4 billion years ago - First life on Earth.
4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.
4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.
4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.
13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.
13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.
13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!
The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe
The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.
Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.
When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.
The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?
On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.
Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.
When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.
The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'
That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.
That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted...
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true lilly Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:47 pm
Morocco Islamists win landmark election
by:By Henri Mamarbachi
From:AFP
November 27, 2011
2:42AM
Watch
Morocco Islamists win landmark election
Morocco's moderate Islamists have won the most seats
in a landmark parliamentary election.
MOROCCO'S moderate
Islamists have won the most seats in a landmark
parliamentary election,
the latest religious party to achieve
spectacular gains on the back of
the Arab Spring.
The Justice and Development Party (PJD) captured 80 seats in the
395-seat assembly, nearly double the 45 seats won by Prime Minister
Abbas el Fassi's Indpendence Party, Interior Minister Taib Cherkaoui
told a news conference on Saturday.
The win - the first parliamentary poll victory for the party -
comes just one month after
Islamists won Tunisia's post-revolution election and
days before their predicted surge in Egyptian polls.
According to the new constitution overwhelmingly approved in a July referendum,
King Mohammed VI must now pick the prime minister from the party which won
the most seats in parliament, instead of naming whomever he pleases.
The king, the latest scion of a monarchy that has ruled the country for
350 years, proposed changes to the constitution that curb some of his
near absolute powers as autocratic regimes toppled in nearby Tunisia,
Egypt, and Libya.
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they had won over 100 seats in Friday's polls, the first since the
approval of the new constitution.
"We thank the Moroccans who voted for the PJD and we can only be satisfied,"
PJD secretary general Abdelilah Benkirane told reporters after the government
confirmed his party had won the most seats in the election.
He acknowledged his party would have to tailor its program to appease prospective
coalition partners and said
the PJD is "open to everyone" when it comes to forming alliances.
"The nub of our program and of those who
will govern with us will have a double axis,
democracy and good governance," he told the France 24 television channel.
"From now on, Moroccans will feel that the state is at their service
and not the other way about," Benkirane added.
"That is very important for us."
The PJD has gradually increased its share of the vote in Morocco,
seen as one of the most stable countries in the region.
After winning just eight seats in 1997, it surged in popularity,
scooping 42 seats in the 2002 election, the first of King Mohammed VI's reign.
It then increased its share in the last election in 2007
when it finished second with 47 seats.
The party focused at first on social issues, such as
opposition to summer music festivals and the sale of alcohol,
but has shifted to issues with broader voter appeal like the
fight against corruption and high unemployment.
During the current campaign it promised to cut poverty in half and raise the
minimum wage by 50 per cent.
Unlike the banned Islamist opposition group Justice and Charity,
the Justice and Development Party pledges its allegiance to the monarchy.
But Benkirane cuts a controversial figure for previously
derogatory comments about Berber people and homosexuals.
In 2010 he tried to ban a concert in Morocco
by the openly gay singer Elton John because of fears of
encouraging homosexuality.
The National Rally of Independents, the second-largest party in the
outgoing five-party government coalition, won 38 seats,
while the Party of Authenticity and Modernity,
founded in 2008 by people close to the king, got 33 seats.
So far only the Independence Party has said
it would be willing to govern with the Justice and Development Party.
The king proposed a new constitution on March 9, just 17 days after
thousands of people took to the streets across Morocco calling on him
to give up some of his powers in the biggest anti-establishment
protests in the country in decades.
Morocco's pro-reform February 20 protest movement, responsible for the protests,
had called on voters to boycott the elections. It says the constitutional reforms are
insufficient.
Voter turnout was 45.4 per cent, up from 37 per cent
from the last parliamentary election in 2007, but lower than the 51.6
per cent turnout recorded in 2002.
"This turnout, if confirmed, does not reflect enthusiasm for
the new constitution or political parties,"
said Haizam Amirah Fernandez, senior analyst for the Arab world
at Spanish think tank Real Instituto Elcano.
In all, 31 parties competed for the 395 seats in the lower house of parliament -
with 60 seats reserved for women
and 30 set aside for candidates under the age of 40.
by:By Henri Mamarbachi
From:AFP
November 27, 2011
2:42AM
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Morocco Islamists win landmark election
Morocco's moderate Islamists have won the most seats
in a landmark parliamentary election.
MOROCCO'S moderate
Islamists have won the most seats in a landmark
parliamentary election,
the latest religious party to achieve
spectacular gains on the back of
the Arab Spring.
The Justice and Development Party (PJD) captured 80 seats in the
395-seat assembly, nearly double the 45 seats won by Prime Minister
Abbas el Fassi's Indpendence Party, Interior Minister Taib Cherkaoui
told a news conference on Saturday.
The win - the first parliamentary poll victory for the party -
comes just one month after
Islamists won Tunisia's post-revolution election and
days before their predicted surge in Egyptian polls.
According to the new constitution overwhelmingly approved in a July referendum,
King Mohammed VI must now pick the prime minister from the party which won
the most seats in parliament, instead of naming whomever he pleases.
The king, the latest scion of a monarchy that has ruled the country for
350 years, proposed changes to the constitution that curb some of his
near absolute powers as autocratic regimes toppled in nearby Tunisia,
Egypt, and Libya.
Related Coverage
- Egyptians tipped to turn on Islamists The Australian, 1 day ago
- Moroccan activists call for polls boycott The Daily Telegraph, 14 Nov 2011
- Islamist party sweeps Tunisian elections The Daily Telegraph, 28 Oct 2011
- Tunisian Islamists in power talks The Daily Telegraph, 26 Oct 2011
- Tunisia votes in first free election Foundation, 24 Oct 2011
they had won over 100 seats in Friday's polls, the first since the
approval of the new constitution.
"We thank the Moroccans who voted for the PJD and we can only be satisfied,"
PJD secretary general Abdelilah Benkirane told reporters after the government
confirmed his party had won the most seats in the election.
He acknowledged his party would have to tailor its program to appease prospective
coalition partners and said
the PJD is "open to everyone" when it comes to forming alliances.
"The nub of our program and of those who
will govern with us will have a double axis,
democracy and good governance," he told the France 24 television channel.
"From now on, Moroccans will feel that the state is at their service
and not the other way about," Benkirane added.
"That is very important for us."
The PJD has gradually increased its share of the vote in Morocco,
seen as one of the most stable countries in the region.
After winning just eight seats in 1997, it surged in popularity,
scooping 42 seats in the 2002 election, the first of King Mohammed VI's reign.
It then increased its share in the last election in 2007
when it finished second with 47 seats.
The party focused at first on social issues, such as
opposition to summer music festivals and the sale of alcohol,
but has shifted to issues with broader voter appeal like the
fight against corruption and high unemployment.
During the current campaign it promised to cut poverty in half and raise the
minimum wage by 50 per cent.
Unlike the banned Islamist opposition group Justice and Charity,
the Justice and Development Party pledges its allegiance to the monarchy.
But Benkirane cuts a controversial figure for previously
derogatory comments about Berber people and homosexuals.
In 2010 he tried to ban a concert in Morocco
by the openly gay singer Elton John because of fears of
encouraging homosexuality.
The National Rally of Independents, the second-largest party in the
outgoing five-party government coalition, won 38 seats,
while the Party of Authenticity and Modernity,
founded in 2008 by people close to the king, got 33 seats.
So far only the Independence Party has said
it would be willing to govern with the Justice and Development Party.
The king proposed a new constitution on March 9, just 17 days after
thousands of people took to the streets across Morocco calling on him
to give up some of his powers in the biggest anti-establishment
protests in the country in decades.
Morocco's pro-reform February 20 protest movement, responsible for the protests,
had called on voters to boycott the elections. It says the constitutional reforms are
insufficient.
Voter turnout was 45.4 per cent, up from 37 per cent
from the last parliamentary election in 2007, but lower than the 51.6
per cent turnout recorded in 2002.
"This turnout, if confirmed, does not reflect enthusiasm for
the new constitution or political parties,"
said Haizam Amirah Fernandez, senior analyst for the Arab world
at Spanish think tank Real Instituto Elcano.
In all, 31 parties competed for the 395 seats in the lower house of parliament -
with 60 seats reserved for women
and 30 set aside for candidates under the age of 40.
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