Have you figured it out yet?

ciggywiggy, you are a bonfide lying idiot, you're Busted, caught and you deny.........good luck with that............

I've proven you a liar many times, you are clueless what the Torah or Talmud contains..............and why............you remain without a 'Man Card'.

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SHIT4BRAINS Ciggy wrote:
There's no twisting out of this, much as you Talmudic types like to try. The series of passages list different situations of either rape or seduction of women, and the obvious rape verses are even worse: if a woman is raped in a city and no one hears her cry out, she is stoned along with her rapist. Such compassion your Yahweh has there. Whether it's rape or simply "statutory rape" (bedding an unbetrothed virgin), there is only one situation and punishment listed, the one I quoted. If it ONLY addresses non-rape seduction then the Old Testament writers are even worse: the rape goes without punishment. Either way, it's a book of savagery and evil, so match the character of a savage and evil tribe, which doesn't single that tribe out because all Semitic tribes were that way. The Arab cousins in Saudi Arabia today are the same way. They live by their own slight variation of the Torah, a set of rules with such instructions as how to sell your daughter as a "handmaiden" for another (sex slave).

Barneys right, you are a shit4brains lying sack of shit..................you don't even understand the Literal meanings of Torah, and all you know are the lies about the talmud you got from poodlehead and mullethead..........

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/

you lying sack of nazi shit...............


I Posted the Jews/Torahs/Bibles Worldview and asked you to be honest........you pansied out................bitch...............

Let's compare your troglodytic worldview to theirs(Jooooz)...............prove you're not shit4brains............



Numerous times I posted the following Data, you have all studiously avoided any commentary on it. Very telling, very cowardly............I ask you to grow beyond your normal evolutionary level of Ignorant, Superficial, Shallow, Dishonest and prejudiced and make an honest in depth commentary.............


The Torah/Instruction/Bible of the Jews....their beliefs and their plan for humankind, and the historical ramifications of the Plan............

Genesis-Bereshith: In the Beginning


26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”

27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.

28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”

29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.

30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good




Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people."

Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'

* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikkun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh

The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.

The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....

The jooooooz have brought more benefit and good to this World then you and your inbred KKKlan...............

http://www.aish.com/sem/wp/

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/impactofthejews/

While developing an idea for a lecture program, I conducted a series of surveys over a period of two years, asking people to list the fundamental values and principles which they felt we needed to uphold in order to make our world as perfect as is humanly possible. In total, some 1,500 individuals were questioned. Overwhelmingly, my respondents—predominantly Westerners, from the United States, Canada, South America, England, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc—came up with remarkably similar answers, which could be grouped into these six categories:

1.Respect for Human Life. In a perfect world, all people would be guaranteed certain basic human rights, paramount among which must be the right to life. They should be able to live that life without constant fear of its loss and with certain basic dignity.
2.Peace and Harmony. On all levels—whether communal or global—people and nations should co-exist in peace and harmony with respect for each other.
3.Justice and Equality. All people, regardless of race, sex, or social status should be treated equally and fairly in the eyes of the law.
4.Education. Everyone should receive a basic education that would guarantee functional literacy within society.
5.Family A strong, stable family structure needs to exist to serve as the moral foundation for society and as the most important institution for socializing/educating children.
6.Social Responsibility. On an individual, community, national and global level, people must take responsibility for the world. This should include an organized social network to address basic concerns such as disease, poverty, famine, crime, drug-related problems, as well as environmental and animal protection issues.

AGAINST THE GRAIN: THE JEWISH VIEW
“I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation ... fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations.” (John Adams, 2nd president of the United States)
“Certainly, the world without the Jews would have been a radically different place. Humanity might have eventually stumbled upon all the Jewish insights. But we cannot be sure. All the great conceptual discoveries of the human intellect seem obvious and inescapable once they had been revealed, but it requires a special genius to formulate them for the first time. The Jews had this gift. To them we owe the idea of equality before the law, both divine and human; of the sanctity of life and the dignity of human person; of the individual conscience and so a personal redemption; of collective conscience and so of social responsibility; of peace as an abstract ideal and love as the foundation of justice, and many other items which constitute the basic moral furniture of the human mind. Without Jews it might have been a much emptier place.” (Paul Johnson, Christian historian, author of A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity)

Could that be true?

Is it really possible that our moral values do not originate in one of the great civilizations but have been bequeathed to us by a small, otherwise insignificant nation inhabiting a tiny piece of real estate in the Middle East?

I venture to say that the ancient Hebrews (who later came to be known as the Israelites and still later as the Jews) would have disagreed with the statements of Adams and of Johnson above. They would have insisted that they had nothing personally to do with inventing the values which ran against the grain of the world around them, and indeed were totally unknown to other peoples. They would have insisted that these values came from God, and they were merely the people chosen to disseminate them worldwide.

This was the story they told from the time they appeared on the world scene around 1300 BCE, hundreds of years before the ascent of the Greek civilization. Back then, they were still a newly emerging nation that functioned more like a large extended family, all family members tracing their ancestry to a man named Abraham who had lived somewhere around 1,800 BCE. They were a strange people with an even stranger religion:


•They believed in only one God—all-powerful, infinite, and invisible—who had created everything known to man, a notion totally foreign to every ancient people that preceded them.
•They claimed that all of them—some 600,000 men and untold number of women and children—had miraculously escaped from slavery in Egypt, then the mightiest empire on earth, through the miraculous intervention of their God.
•They claimed that after their great escape, they reached a mountain in the wilderness, Mt. Sinai, where they all had an encounter with God; during that encounter, and through the person of their leader Moses, they supposedly received a code of behavior—compiled in a holy book known as the “Torah”—which they scrupulously followed.
A STRANGE PEOPLE
It was a story bound to raise more than a few eyebrows in the ancient world. Of course, the ancient people believed all sorts of wild things about divine relationships with human beings, so the Jews’ story was not in itself all that outlandish. Nor was a society governed by laws so strange, after all, previous law codes, the Code of Hammurabi being the most famous, set forth rules governing property rights and the like. What the ancient world couldn’t fathom was this particular code. Indeed, it was a code that to the ancient mind seemed irrational.

“The Jews are distinguished from the rest of mankind in practically every detail of life,” wrote Roman philosopher Deo Cassius, expressing his disapproval. “In particular ... they do not honor any of the usual gods, but show extreme reverence to only one God.”

Part of that “extreme” reverence translated into following that God’s law, a law which could not be altered as was convenient. It was an absolute, God-given standard, and by that fact alone it stood apart from any law of any other society.

But there was more about the Jews that was strange, besides their God and their law. The Torah—or the Biblos as the Greeks would call it—was like no holy book of any people before or since, in yet another way. It made the Jews look bad. In it, they are shown as shirkers and complainers, often sinning against their own God and His law. And yet they insisted that they needed to carry around with them the history of their failures as well as their successes in order never to lose sight of their mission to elevate humanity.

We shall now take a look

at how the ancient Jews related to the basic human right to life and see how close they came to our standard

so................bitchremf...........what have you done besides inbreeeding, lying, embracing the NAZI meme?....not much huh?..........life just hasn't worked out like you thought it would.....................

At least 170 Jews and persons of half-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 22% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2005, and constituting 37% of all US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 26% and 39%, respectively. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world’s population and 2% of the US population.)



•Chemistry (28 prize winners, 19% of world total, 27% of US total)
•Economics (22 prize winners, 39% of world total, 53% of US total)
•Literature (13 prize winners, 13% of world total, 27% of US total)
•Physiology or Medicine (52 prize winners, 28% of world total, 42% of US total)
•Peace (9 prize winners, 10% of world total, 11% of US total)3
•Physics (46 prize winners, 26% of world total, 38% of US total)
See also:

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewish-nobel-prize-winners/

•Jewish Recipients of the US National Medal of Science (157 recipients, 37% of total)
•Jewish Recipients of the Kyoto Prize (25% of recipients)
JEWISH CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE ARTS AND SCIENCES
Anthropology * Biomedical Science * Chemistry * Chess *
Computer & Info Science * Economics * Linguistics * Mathematics *
Music * Philosophy * Physics * Psychology * Sociology.
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Jewish Quotes

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“I will insist the Hebrews have [contributed] more to civilize men than any other nation. If I was an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations ... They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this Earth. The Romans and their empire were but a bubble in comparison to the Jews. They have given religion to three-quarters of the globe and have influenced the affairs of mankind more and more happily than any other nation, ancient or modern.”

- John Adams, Second President of the United States
(From a letter to F. A. Van der Kemp [Feb. 16, 1808] Pennsylvania Historical Society)
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“This is an exceedingly strange development, unexpected by all but the theologians. They have always accepted the word of the Bible: In the beginning God created heaven and earth… [But] for the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; [and] as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

- Robert Jastrow
(God and the Astronomers [New York: W.W. Norton and Co., 1978], 116. Professor Jastrow was the founder of NASA’s Goddard Institute, now director of the Mount Wilson Institute and its observatory.)


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”...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”

- Mark Twain
(“Concerning The Jews,” Harper’s Magazine, 1899
see The Complete Essays of Mark Twain, Doubleday [1963] pg. 249)


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“if we were forced to choose just one, there would be no way to deny that Judaism is the most important intellectual development in human history.”

- David Gelernter, Yale University Professor


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“It is against their own insoluble problem of being human that the dull and base in humanity are in revolt in anti-Semitism. Judaism, nevertheless, together with Hellenism and Christianity is an inalienable component of our Christian Western civilization, the eternal “call to Sinai” against which humanity again and again rebels.”

- Herman Rauschning, The Beast From the Abyss, pp. 155-56


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“If we had lived in the second millennium BC, the millennium of Abraham, and could have canvassed all the nations of the earth, what would they have said of Abraham’s journey? In most of Africa and Europe, they would have laughed at Abraham’s madness and pointed to the heavens, where the life of earth had been plotted from all eternity ... a man cannot escape his fate. The Egyptians would have shaken their heads in disbelief. The early Greeks might have told Abraham the story of Prometheus ... Do not overreach, they would advise; come to resignation. In India, he would be told that time is black, irrational and merciless. Do not set yourself the task of accomplishing something in time, which is only the dominion of suffering. On every continent, in every society, Abraham would have been given the same advice that wise men as diverse as Heraclitus, Lao-Tsu and Siddhartha would one day give their followers: do not journey but sit; compose yourself by the river of life, meditate on its ceaseless and meaningless flow.”

“The Jews started it all—and by ‘it’ I mean so many of the things we care about, the underlying values that make all of us, Jew and Gentile, believer and aethiest, tick. Without the Jews, we would see the world through different eyes, hear with different ears, even feel with different feelings ... we would think with a different mind, interpret all our experience differently, draw different conclusions from the things that befall us. And we would set a different course for our lives.”

- Thomas Cahill, The Gifts Of The Jews


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“Mankind, East and West, Christian and Muslim, accepted the Jewish conviction that there is only one G-d. Today it is polytheism that is so difficult to understand, that is so unthinkable.”

- T.R. Grover, The Ancient World, p. 186


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There is a famous story in which the Kaiser asks Bismarck, “Can you prove the existence of God?” Bismarck replies, “The Jews, your majesty. The Jews.”


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“The Jews, however, are beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race at present living in Europe; they know how to succeed even under the worst conditions (in fact better than under favorable ones) by means of virtues of some sort, which one would like nowadays to label as vices-owing above all to a resolute faith which does not need to be ashamed before “modern idea…

It is certain that the Jew, if he desired-or if they were driven to it, as the antisemites seem to wish-could now have the ascendancy, nay, literally the supremacy, over Europe; that they are not working or planning for that end is equally sure… The resourcefulness of the modern Jews, both in mind and soul, is extraordinary…”

- Friedrich Nietzsche
German Philosopher (1844 - 1900)


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“Asked to make a list of the men who have most dominated the thinking of the modern world, many educated people would name Freud, Einstein, Marx and Darwin. Of these four, only Darwin was not Jewish. In a world where Jews are only a tiny percentage of the population, what is the secret of the disproportionate importance the Jews have had in the history of Western culture?”

- Ernest van den Haag, The Jewish Mystique
(New York: Dell Publishing Company, 1971, pg. 13)


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“Energy is the basis of everything. Every Jew, no matter how insignificant, is engaged in some decisive and immediate pursuit of a goal… It is the most perpetual people of the earth…”

- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
German dramatist, novelist and poet (1749 - 1832)


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”...whatever other qualities Jews may posses, likable or the reverse, no one who knows them well can deny that they are personally interesting. By that I mean, specially alive, alert, quick at comprehending people or events and at making pungent or witty comments on them… One might at times find the rather hothouse family atmosphere, with it intensities and frictions, somewhat trying, but one could be sure of never being bored.”

- Ernest Jones - British psychoanalyst (1879-1958)


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“For the Jews have long been in revolt not only against the Romans, but against humanity; and a race that has made its own life apart and irreconcilable, that cannot share with the rest of mankind in the pleasure of the table nor join in their libations or prayers or sacrifices, are separate from ourselves by a greater gulf than divides us from Sura or Bactra of the most distant Indies.”

- Philostratus - The Life of Apollonius of Tyana, 3rd Century CE Teacher


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“The Jews proved not only unassimilated, but inassimilable, and… the demonstration that this was so proved one of the most significant turning points in Greek history, owing to the gigantic influence exerted throughout subsequent ages by their religion, which not only survived intact, but subsequently gave birth to Christianity as well.”

- Michael Grant,From Alexander to Cleopatra: the Hellenistic World,
(New York: Charles Scribner & Sons, 1982., p. 75)


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“The dispersion of the Jews was both a boon and a bane; their nation was disjoined, but their culture was enormously enhanced. Whereas a unique omneitic outlook set the Jews apart from other peoples, a common language, literacy and learning bound the disparate Jewish communities together and provided a firm foundation for further creativity. The exercise of this multifaceted creative propensity rebounded to benefit not only the societies that harbored the Jews, but all humankind.”

- Samuel Karlinsky, The Eight Day - The Hidden History of the Jewish Contribution to Civilzation (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson, Inc., 1994.), xviii.


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“Wishing to make Speyer into a city, I thought to increase its honor a thousand fold by bringing in the Jews.”

- Bishop Ruediger - Huozmann - 1084


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“So prominent was the Jewish role in the foreign commerce of Europe that those nations that received the Jews gained and the countries that excluded them lost in the volume of international trade.”

- Will Durant, The Story of Civilization - The Reformation. (New York: Simon & Shuster, 1953)


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“The preservation of the Jews is really one of the most signal and illustrious acts of divine Providence… and what but a supernatural power could have preserved them in such a manner as none other nation upon earth hath been preserved. Nor is the providence of God less remarkable in the destruction of their enemies, than in their preservation… We see that the great empires, which in their turn subdued and oppressed the people of God, are all come to ruin… And if such hath been the fatal end of the enemies and oppressors of the Jews, let it serve as a warning to all those, who at any time or upon any occasion are for raising a clamor and persecution against them.”

- Thomas Newton - British Clergyman: Bishop of Bristol (1704-1782)


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“The brief legal emancipation of Jews during the Napoleonic wars released unparalleled economic, professional, and cultural energies. It was though a high dam had suddenly been breached.”

- Amos Elon, The Pity of It All - A portrait of the German-Jewish Epoch 1743 -1933 (New York: Picador, 2002) pg. 6


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“For the Jewish impact on humanity has been protean. In antiquity they were the great innovators in religion and morals. In the Dark Ages and early medieval Europe they were still an advanced people transmitting scarce knowledge and technology. Gradually they were pushed from the van and fell behind, by the end of the eighteenth century, they were seen as a bedraggled and obscurantist rearguard in the march of civilized humanity. But then came an astonishing second burst of creativity. Breaking out of the ghettos, they once more transformed human thinking, this time in the secular sphere. Much of the mental furniture of the modern world too is of Jewish fabrication.”

- Paul Johnson
(Christian historian, author of A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity pg. 585-6)


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“For many people during many centuries, mankind’s history before the coming of Christianity was the history of the Jews and what they recounted of the history of others. Both were written down in the books called the Old Testament, [the Torah] the sacred writings of the Jewish people ... They were the first to arrive at an abstract notion of God and to forbid his representation by images. No other people has produced a greater historical impact from such comparatively insignificant origins and resources ...”

- J.M. Roberts, History Of The World


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“The Jew lends himself easily to Communism because it enables him to devote himself to a high cause, involving all of humanity, characteristics which are natural to him as a Jew.”

- Edmund Wilson - U.S. literary critic and author (1895-1972)


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“People often avoid making decisions out of fear of making a mistake. Actually, the failure to make decisions is one of life’s biggest mistakes.”

- Rabbi Noah Weinberg, 48 Ways To Wisdom, Way #4


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“Some people like the Jews, and some do not. But no thoughtful man can deny the fact that they are, beyond any question, the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has appeared in the world.”

- Winston Churchill - Prime Minister of Great Britain


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“Our survey of three and a half millennia of Jewish history is closed. But the story which we have set ourselves to tell is unending. Today, the Jewish people has in it still those elements of strength and endurance which enabled it to surmount all the crises of its past, surviving thus the most powerful empires of antiquity.

Throughout our history there have been weaker elements who have shirked the sacrifices which Judaism entailed. They have been swallowed, long since, in the great majority; only the more stalwart have carried on the traditions of their ancestors, and can now look back with pride upon their superb heritage. Are we to be numbered with he weak majority, or with the stalwart minority? It is for ourselves to decide.”

- Cecil Roth, A History of the Jews
(Oxford University: Shocken Books, 1961) pg. 423


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“Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.”

- Unknown


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”...it would be a mistake…to ascribe to Roman legal conceptions an undivided sway over the development of law and institutions during the Middle Ages… The Laws of Moses as well as the laws of Rome contributed suggestions and impulse to the men and institutions which were to prepare the modern world; and if we could have but eyes to see… we should readily discover how very much besides religion we owe to the Jew.”

- U.S. President Woodrow Wilson in his The State


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“In the facades we put on for others we demonstrate our potential; through our children we reveal our reality.”

- Lawrence Kelemen, To Kindle A Soul p. 195


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“It’s not how much or how little you have that makes you great or small, but how much or how little you are with what you have.”

- Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch
(Horeb, vol. 1, pg 46)


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Intolerance lies at the core of evil.
Not the intolerance that results
from any threat or danger.
But intolerance of another being who dares to exist.
Intolerance without cause. It is so deep within us,
because every human being secretly desires
the entire universe to himself.
Our only way out is to learn
compassion without cause. To care for each other
simple because that ‘other’ exists.

- Rabbi Menachem Mendle


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“Intelligent people know of what they speak; fools speak of what they know.”

- Minchas Shabbos Pirkei Avos 3:18 / Ethics Of The Fathers


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A renowned genius once asked a student, “What are you watching when you sit on a hillside in the late afternoon as the colors turn from yellow to orange and red and finally darkness?” He answered, “You are watching the sunset.” The genius responded, “That is what is wrong with our age. You know full well you are not watching the sun set. You are watching the world turn.”

- Jeremy Kagan, “The Jewish Self”


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“The entire purpose of our existence is to overcome our negative habits.”

- Vilna Goan, Commentary to Mishlei 4:13


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Rabbi Zusha used to say: “When I die and come before the heavenly court, if they ask me, ‘Zusha, why were you not Abraham?’ I’ll say that I didn’t have Abraham’s intellectual abilities. If they say, ‘Why were you not Moses?’ I’ll say I didn’t have Moses’ leadership abilities. For every such question, I’ll have an answer. But if they say, ‘Zusha, why were you not Zusha?’ for that, I’ll have no answer.”


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Until today (1888), no people has succeeded in establishing national dominion in the Land of Israel. No national unity, in the spirit of nationalism, has acquired any hold there. The mixed multitude of itinerant tribes that managed o settle there did so on lease, as temporary residents. It seems that they await the return of the permanent residents of the land.

- Professor Sir John William Dosson
Modern Science in Bible Lands, London: Harper and Brothers, 1889, pp. 449-450.


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“If a Jew doesn’t make Kiddush (to sanctify himself by maintaining a distinctly Jewish lifestyle), then the non-Jew will make Havdalah for him (by making the Jew realize he is truly different).”

- R’ Chaim of Volozhin


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Most people are servants of their passions, but the truly free person is the one who can control his desires. When the sages taught “Only one involved in Torah is truly free” (Pirkei Avos 6:2), they meant to say that only Torah allows one to free himself from the shackles of desire and to truly exercise free choice. Without Torah, one is not free at all, he is a slave, controlled by a master foreign to his better instincts. While intellectually he might have correct ideas of how to live, ultimately his master - his passion - will force him to act otherwise.

Excerpt from: The Torah Treasury pg. 146


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This people are not eminent solely by their antiquity, but are also singular by their duration, which has always continued from their origin till now. For, whereas the nations of Greece and of Italy, of Lacedaemon, of Athens and of Rome, and others who came long after, have long since perished, these ever remain, and in spite of the endeavors of many powerful kings who have a hundred times tried to destroy them, as their historians testify, and as it is easy to conjecture from the natural order of things during so long a space of years, they have nevertheless been preserved (and this preservation has been foretold); and extending from the earliest times to the latest, their history comprehends in its duration all our histories (which it preceded by a long time).

- Pensees by Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Encyclopedia Britannica, 1952 - Paragraph 620, p. 285


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Only if you have some knowledge of the human sacrifices, the vicious temple rites, the degrading superstitions and customs that were practiced . . . can you realize how much the modern world owes to the Hebrew prophets, whose monotheism and moral teachings entered into Christianity and Islam….

- from Ancient and medieval history,
by Carlton J. H. Hayes and Parker Thomas Moon.
New York: The Macmillan company, 1929.


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“All that is thought should not be said, all that is said should not be written, all that is written should not be published, all that is published should not be read.”

- Rabbi Menachem Mendel Morgenstern of Tomashov (the Kotzker Rebbe)


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“Certainly, the world without the Jews would have been a radically different place. Humanity might have eventually stumbled upon all the Jewish insights. But we cannot be sure. All the great conceptual discoveries of the human intellect seem obvious and inescapable once they had been revealed, but it requires a special genius to formulate them for the first time. The Jews had this gift. To them we owe the idea of equality before the law, both divine and human; of the sanctity of life and the dignity of human person; of the individual conscience and so a personal redemption; of collective conscience and so of social responsibility; of peace as an abstract ideal and love as the foundation of justice, and many other items which constitute the basic moral furniture of the human mind. Without Jews it might have been a much emptier place.”

- Paul Johnson
(Christian historian, author of A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity)



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“Death is merely moving from one home to another. The wise man will spend his main efforts in trying to make his future home the more beautiful one.”

- Rabbi Menachem Mendel Morgenstern of Tomashov (the Kotzker Rebbe)


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“No ancient people have had a stranger history than the Jews. ... The history of no ancient people should be so valuable, if we could only recover it and understand it. ... Stranger still, the ancient religion of the Jews survives, when all the religions of every ancient race of the pre-Christian world have disappeared ... Again it is strange that the living religions of the world all build on religious ideas derived from the Jews. .... The great matter is not “What happened?” but “Why did it happen?” Why does Judaism live?”

T.R. Glover
(The Ancient World, Penguin, pp. 184-191)


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“This one book (the Bible) ... has attracted to it, and had concentrated on it, vastly more thought and has called forth more works, explanatory, illustrative, apologetic, upon its text, its meaning, its geography, its theology, its chronology, its evidences, its inspiration, its origin, than all the rest of the literature of the world put together. An immense bulk of the world’s literature owes its origin to this book.”

- Carlyle B Heynes in The Bible, Is it a True Book


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“The world says that time is money, but I say that money is time. In order to earn enough money to satisfy his desires, one must sacrifice inordinate amounts of time. For me, that sacrifice is too great.”

- Chofetz Chaim


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“What is the Jew?...What kind of unique creature is this whom all the rulers of all the nations of the world have disgraced and crushed and expelled and destroyed; persecuted, burned and drowned, and who, despite their anger and their fury, continues to live and to flourish. What is this Jew whom they have never succeeded in enticing with all the enticements in the world, whose oppressors and persecutors only suggested that he deny (and disown) his religion and cast aside the faithfulness of his ancestors?!
The Jew - is the symbol of eternity. ... He is the one who for so long had guarded the prophetic message and transmitted it to all mankind. A people such as this can never disappear.
The Jew is eternal. He is the embodiment of eternity.”

- Leo Tolstoy
(What is the Jew?
quoted in The Final Resolution, pg. 189, printed in Jewish World periodical, 1908)


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“There is a striking point that runs through Jewish history as a whole. Western civilization was born in the Middle East, and the Jews were at its crossroads. In the heyday of Rome, the Jews were close to the Empire’s center. When power shifted eastward, the Jewish center was in Babylon; when it skipped to Spain, there again were the Jews. When in the Middle Ages the center of civilization moved into Central Europe, the Jews were waiting for it in Germany and Poland. The rise of the United States to the leading world power found Judaism focused there. And now, today, when the pendulum seems to be swinging back toward the Old World and the East rises to renewed importance, there again are the Jews in Israel…”

- Professor Huston Smith
The Religious of Man, New York: HarperCollins, 1989


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“When we scan the diaspora of Jewry over the entire globe and throughout the entire civilized world, we are surprised to see that this Nation, which is almost the most ancient in the world, is in truth the youngest in terms of the land under its feet and the sky above its head. As a result of the relentless persecutions and forced expulsions, most Jews are but recent new-comers to their respective lands of residence. Ninety percent of the Jewish people have lived in their new homes for no more than 50 or 60 years! (The Jewish People) are dispersed throughout over 100 lands on all five continents.”

- Leschzinsky
“The Jewish Dispersion”, pg. 9 (Heb.) click here for history


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“The struggle for world domination is between me and the Jews. All else is meaningless. The Jews have inflicted two wounds on the world: Circumcision for the body and conscience for the soul. I come to free mankind from their shackles.”

“When over long periods of human history I scrutinized the activity of the Jewish people, suddenly there arose up in me the fearful question whether inscrutable Destiny, perhaps for reasons unknown to us poor mortals, did not, with eternal and immutable resolve, desire the final victory of this little nation.” (Mein Kampf, p.64)

“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity…Conscience is a Jewish invention. It is a blemish like circumcision…”

- Adolph Hitler
(Herman Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 220) (click here for more)
(click for why do people hate the Jews?)


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“The preservation of the Jew was certainly not casual. He has endured through the power of a certain ideal, based on the recognition of a Higher Power in human affairs. Time after time in his history, moreover, he has been saved from disaster in a manner, which cannot be described excepting as ‘providential.’ The author has deliberately attempted to write this book in a secular spirit; he does not think that his readers can fail to see in it, on every page, a higher immanence”

- Cecil Roth, Oxford University
(History of the Jews, New York, 1963, p. 424)


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“I have already explained with clear proofs that the soul is the dominant factor in the nature of the Jew. For example, being stiff-necked is one of the bad qualities that Jews have. Practically speaking, that means that Jews refuse to accept criticism and will not listen to corrective advise. This is in fact because they are not essentially materialistic. Only something which is materialistic is readily altered. Consequently Jews are very resistant to change and will not accept the advise of others. Further, the Rabbis say (Talmud - Beitzah 25b) that they are the most aggressive and pushy people.”

- Maharal of Prague (Rabbi Yehuda Loewe, 1526 - 1609)


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“Israel’s great achievement, so apparent that mention of it is almost trite, was Monotheism. It was an achievement that transformed subsequent history….One may raise the question whether any other single contribution from whatever source since human culture emerged from the stone age has had the far reaching effect upon history that Israel in this regard has exerted both through the mediums of Christianity and Islam and directly through the world of Jewish thinkers themselves”

- from The Intellectual Adventure of Ancient Man,
by H. and H. A. Frankfort, John A. Wilson, Thorkild Jacobsen, William A. Irwin


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“The Jews have played an all-important role in history. They are pre-eminently an historical people and their destiny reflects the indestructibility of the divine decrees. Their destiny is too imbued with the “metaphysical” to be explained either in material or positive historical terms.

I remember how the materialist interpretation of history, when I attempted in my youth to verify it by applying it to the destinies of peoples, broke down i the case of the Jew, where destiny seemed absolutely inexplicable from the materialistic standpoint. And, indeed, according to the materialistic and positivist criterion, this people ought long ago to have perished. Its survival is a mysterious and wonderful phenomenon demonstrating that the life of this people is governed by a special predetermination, transcending the processes of adaptation expounded by the materialistic interpretation of history.

The survival of the Jews, their resistance to destruction, their endurance under absolutely peculiar conditions and the fateful role played by them in history; all these point to the particular and mysterious foundations of their destiny…

The historical not only represented man’s external relations, but that it might also reveal the very noumenon and essence of his being. The peculiarity of Jewish destiny consists in its incommensurability with either the pre-Christian or the Christian era. Scientific criticism applied to traditional Biblical history can neither discredit the universal role played by the Jews nor offer a satisfactory explanation of their mysterious destiny. Nor does this criticism grapple with the absolutely peculiar tie existing between the Jews and the ‘historical,’ and their extraordinarily intense feeling for history.”

- The Meaning of History by Professor Nicholai Berdysev
Moscow Academy - London 1935, pp. 86-7

I wonder what "they" will attack, This Post, with, this time...
...REMOTELY TURN MY P.C. OFF, AGAIN,
REMOTELY LOG ME OUT, AGAIN,
REMOTELY REFORMAT (to ILLEGIBLE), AGAIN...

barnacle bill wrote:

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:SO, why the NEED to "quote" "me",
ON A FORUM THAT DOESN'T LINK TO THE ORIGIN of "the quote"?
Because 'dressing' "their" opponent IN "THEIR" OWN FILTH,
is THE ONLY ATTACK "THEY" HAVE LEFT,
IN THE LIGHT OF YEARS OF FACTS THAT EXPOSE "THEM" as
THE ENEMIES of ALL LIFE.

P.S. so many "names" ranting in THE SAME INSANE 'VOICE',
only CONvinces THE FOOLS WHO DESERVE TO BE FOOLED,
of YOUR BALD FACED LIES.

P.P.S. And stop insulting everyone
by acting as if no one has figured out WHY THIS Forum
(the only one left in The World Wide WEB of DECEIVERS,
that I'm able to post in), does NOT LINK "quotes"
TO THEIR ORIGINAL SOURCE.

...so did "they" GO OFF yet?
Claiming to have, "caught me in a lie"?
The other one, I am allowed to post in,
but only if I bother to waste my time,
rewriting and reformating everything
I've ever written (as "they" attack with,
all the same old red herrings), is only
another box of the same stable of "their"
forums.
And, "they" know,
I'm not the only one who knows that.

Like I was saying...
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED:

Qantas pilots hopeful of a solution
QANTAS pilots say they are
"pretty confident" an agreement will be reached with the airline. Read more

Qantas needs to be smarter - Shorten
QANTAS'S actions are
unlikely to have started a "new wave of radical employer militancy",
Federal Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten says. Read more

So,
it wasn't "employer militancy", and the pilots are still TALKING of
reaching an agreement...remember, they were STILL FLYING WHEN THEY WERE
GROUNDED...so then, WHY such an EXPENSIVE and RADICAL ACTION...DURING
Industrial TALKS???

true lilly wrote:Gee, NOT surprising that "tintin" and his team,
DON'T dare DECODE THESE NUMBERS, but stay
STUCK in OLD MOVIE Scripts...

Julia Gillard's Qantas move
didn't follow the script



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/julia-gillards-qantas-move-didnt-follow-the-script/story-fn32891l-1226182021708

Gillard's Qantas move didn't follow the script

TRANSCRIPT shows PM's office was told
they had "options available" to avoid grounding.

Fair Work Australia terminates industrial action
Take a look back at the history of Qantas
Qantas blames stressed crew for grounding

JULIA Gillard's office and three senior ministers were told by
Qantas management they had "options available" to avoid the fleet
grounding and that CEO Alan Joyce was ready to talk to the PM.

A script for the phone calls confirms revelations in The Daily Telegraph
that the government was told it had the opportunity to act but it would
need to deliver certainty.

It was also stressed that Mr Joyce was available to speak to Ms Gillard,
although she never called him until after the revelations yesterday
morning.

Qantas government relations executive Olivia Wirth
confirmed she spoke according to the script when she called the Prime
Minister's chief of staff at 2.05pm on the day of the grounding.

The script was also used by Mr Joyce in calls with Transport Minister
Anthony Albanese at 2pm, followed by Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson
and Workplace Relations Minister Chris Evans.

Travellers return to the skies as PM slams Qantas

All were told: "We recognise the government has a range of options
available to you, however we need to make it clear that we will not, and
cannot put planes back in the air until these issues are resolved and
we have certainty."

This was considered an unmissable suggestion
to the PM and ministers that they should ban further action.
Ms Wirth confirmed to The Daily Telegraph last night
that was "the way you get certainty. No more action".

The PM's chief of staff was also told to let Ms Gillard know:
"Alan is available to discuss further details.
Alan's here if you want to chat to him."

But Ms Gillard did not take this as a request to call Mr Joyce,
nor did she have the government declare the strike action illegal,
which has stunned many inside Qantas.

Her spokesman yesterday
denied the government was given the option
to avoid the mass grounding.

"The government was presented with
the grounding of the planes as a fait accompli,"
he said.

But Ms Wirth confirmed that the script
had been used in all phone calls.

Instead the PM referred the matter to
the industrial court Fair Work Australia.
By the time the full bench made the same order
tens of thousands of passengers had already
been left stranded or otherwise disrupted.

In a fiery question time yesterday the
Opposition hammered Ms Gillard and her ministers
on their handling of the issue.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott wanted to know
what the government had done in the three hours
between 2pm and 5pm Saturday when the grounding took effect.

His deputy Julie Bishop wanted to know why
the prime minister had not spoken personally to Mr Joyce
in a bid to circumvent the grounding.

Backbenchers lined up to ask ministers how
the government's decision to refer the
dispute to Fair Work Australia was good for the nation, the economy,
the tourism sector and the travelling public.

Ms Gillard defended the government's decision
not to take matters into its own hands.

She accused the opposition of
"peddling a falsehood" by claiming the
government merely had to sign a piece of paper to end
industrial action
because it was in the nation's interest.

"Peddling of that falsehood
should stop here and it should stop now," she said.
___________________________________________________________

The more they talk, the more they seem to be saying that
"THE GROUNDING" was NOT about "preventing" a "workers" "STRIKE",
but a TERRORIST STRIKE...well, it is the only thing that actually makes sense,
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

P.P.P.S Barnacle Bill, like all but a few of "YOUR" 'names'
is also now on my IGNORE List.
Like all the 'names', too idiotic to provide an actual contest of ideas.

Remember: I made it clear, that as the whole World Wide WEB of Forums
keeps repeat, repeat, repeating, the same old, proven deadly, philosophies
of men, sold as, "what God said", I would stick to posting on what "THEY"
DEMAND NO ONE SO MUCH AS THINK ABOUT, LET ALONE OPENLY DISCUSS.

That being:
if one keeps denying the actual time line of this real world's history,
is the time line described in God's Living Word, then one will remain,
blind to the Future History also described in God's Living Word, and,
His Eternal, Real Life Saving Warnings.

God's Power is not limited by our understanding of His Word.
We limit ourselves, by trying to force, God's Word,
into our very limited understanding.

There is a very sound reason WHY,
The Only Unforgivable Sin, is to Deny,
The Holy Spirit of TRUTH.

Hosea - Chapter 14
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures,
followed by
KJV
(with LINKS to Strong's Dictionary of
the DESCRIPTIVE MEANINGS of the HEBREW words
and LINKS to their ROOT Words and
their DESCRIPTIVE MEANINGS)
1
“Do come back, O Israel, to Jehovah your God, for you have stumbled in your error.
2
Take with yourselves words and come back to Jehovah. Say to him, all YOU people,
‘May you pardon error; and accept what is good, and we will offer in return
the young bulls of our lips.
3
As·syr´i·a itself will not save us. Upon horses we shall not ride.
And no more shall we say: “O our God!” to the work of our hands,
because it is by you that a fatherless boy is shown mercy.’

4
“I shall heal their unfaithfulness. I shall love them of [my] own free will,
because my anger has turned back from him.
5
I shall become like the dew to Israel. He will blossom like the lily,
and will strike his roots like Leb´a·non.
6
His twigs will go forth, and his dignity will become like that of the olive tree,
and his fragrance will be like that of Leb´a·non.
7
They will again be dwellers in his shadow. They will grow grain,
and will bud like the vine. His memorial will be like the wine of Leb´a·non.

8
“E´phra·im [will say], ‘What do I have to do any longer with the idols?’
“I myself shall certainly give an answer and I shall keep looking on him.
I am like a luxuriant juniper tree. From me must fruit for you be found.”

9
Who is wise, that he may understand these things?
Discreet, that he may know them?
For the ways of Jehovah are upright,
and the righteous are the ones who will walk in them;
but the transgressors are the ones who will stumble in them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

O Israel ³⁴⁷⁸, return ⁷⁷²⁵ unto the LORD ³⁰⁶⁸ thy God ⁴³⁰;
for thou hast fallen ³⁷⁸² by thine iniquity ⁵⁷⁷¹.

Take ³⁹⁴⁷ with you words ¹⁶⁹⁷, and turn ⁷⁷²⁵ to the LORD ³⁰⁶⁸:
say ⁵⁵⁹ unto him, Take away ⁵³⁷⁵ all iniquity ⁵⁷⁷¹,
and receive ³⁹⁴⁷ [us] graciously ²⁸⁹⁶:
so will we render ⁷⁹⁹⁹ the calves ⁶⁴⁹⁹ of our lips ⁸¹⁹³.

Asshur ⁸⁰⁴ shall not save ³⁴⁶⁷ us; we will not ride ⁷³⁹² upon horses ⁵⁴⁸³:
neither will we say ⁵⁵⁹ any more to the work ⁴⁶³⁹ of our hands ³⁰²⁷, [Ye are] our gods ⁴³⁰:
for in thee the fatherless ³⁴⁹⁰ findeth mercy ⁷³⁵⁵ .

I will heal ⁷⁴⁹⁵ their backsliding ⁴⁸⁷⁸,
I will love ¹⁵⁷ them freely ⁵⁰⁷¹:
for mine anger ⁶³⁹ is turned away ⁷⁷²⁵ from him.

I will be as the dew ²⁹¹⁹ unto Israel ³⁴⁷⁸:
he shall grow ⁶⁵²⁴ as the lily ⁷⁷⁹⁹,
and cast forth ⁵²²¹ his roots ⁸³²⁸ as Lebanon ³⁸⁴⁴.

His branches ³¹²⁷ shall spread ³²¹² , and his beauty ¹⁹³⁵
shall be as the olive tree ²¹³², and his smell ⁷³⁸¹ as Lebanon ³⁸⁴⁴.

They that dwell ³⁴²⁷ under his shadow ⁶⁷³⁸ shall return ⁷⁷²⁵ ;
they shall revive ²⁴²¹ [as] the corn ¹⁷¹⁵,
and grow ⁶⁵²⁴ as the vine ¹⁶¹²:
the scent ²¹⁴³ thereof [shall be] as the wine ³¹⁹⁶ of Lebanon ³⁸⁴⁴.

Ephraim ⁶⁶⁹ [shall say], What have I to do any more with idols ⁶⁰⁹¹?
I have heard ⁶⁰³⁰ [him], and observed ⁷⁷⁸⁹ him:
I [am] like a green ⁷⁴⁸⁸ fir tree ¹²⁶⁵. From me is thy fruit ⁶⁵²⁹ found ⁴⁶⁷² .

Who [is] wise ²⁴⁵⁰, and he shall understand ⁹⁹⁵ these [things]?
prudent ⁹⁹⁵ , and he shall know ³⁰⁴⁵ them?
for the ways ¹⁸⁷⁰ of the LORD ³⁰⁶⁸ [are] right ³⁴⁷⁷,
and the just ⁶⁶⁶² shall walk ³²¹² in them:
but the transgressors ⁶⁵⁸⁶ shall fall ³⁷⁸² therein.

~~~~~~~~~~

It's POETRY.
It's SONG.

Every word SINGS
in Perfect Harmony,
so much more
than 'dead straight' words
can say.

Here a little, there a little,
word upon word,
precept upon precept,
command upon command,
to let Scripture interpret Scripture,
by testing every word,
against what is real,
in all this real world...
then, one can see,
God described this very old,
whole, real world,
all the earth and all peoples,
from it's most ancient beginning...
there are no contradictions,
and,
God does, in deed (so best take heed),
Keep All of His Promises.

barnacle bill wrote:

Ahoy!!! billyboy, are you aware ciggywiggy lied to you?


He is unable to make 'his case' honestly so he lies.........he knows I've called him on this lie before so it is prima facie evidence that he is a sociopathic pathological liar..........so sad.............

gotta suk to be him..............I suspended his 'Man Card' at webanarchytard now I may have to revoke it............

In the original Hebrew the word is actually seduce.........not forcible, SEDUCED....................here is the actual proof............the penalty for raping a girl is DEATH...............





so..............................why lie ciggywiggy? Can't make your 'case' against the Jooooooz honestly? Then you project your own fantasy of fuking your own daughter onto the joooooz?

your sick dude....................I, Sheik Snoopsnuffleopagus the Magnificent hereby REVOKE your 'Man Card'.................you may be a male, but you are not a MAN......................................bitch.



Forbidden Sexual Relations
Not to indulge in familiarities with persons that one is forbidden to marry, such as kissing, embracing, winking, skipping, which may lead to forbidden sexual relations
(Leviticus 18:6 - None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.) (CCN110).

Ahoy!!! billyboy, are you aware ciggywiggy lied to you?

ROFL...hahahahaha,the way I've been treated by friends and family throughout my life,hahahhahahaha,I'll forgive Ciggy for his misdemeanor.It would'nt effect my viewpoint either way,we just disagree on certain matters like gentleman,without resorting to calling each other,satanic peadophiles.
Ciggy is going pretty easy on you,you just said he fantasises about his own daughter,about fucking her.Where did you get that idea from?
I should'nt betray his confidence,but if he wanted to,he'd be banging 18-20 year old friends of his niece.Spose he realises he's getting old,the ticker (heart) has a way of failing during good sex...good way to go,reverse conception...how Kharmical.Born out the cunt and die back in there....Mmmmmm.
I'd give you a screenshot what real incest looks like,but you better go Euro-trash.
The yank videos look like Hillbilly trailer trash...but the Euro's...If I come back satanic and inbred,I want to be German or Norwegian,God,even mum looks good...Hard-core.









Oh,I did read the definitions of rape according to Torah...Good,cause rape did'nt appear to be as significant as stealing your neighbours livestock...Laws regarding women,back then and still now,they're second class citizens and that is the problem with Patriarchal systems.I like aspects of all religeons,but on the large,I hate them all equally.Democratized law systems,although failed me more than once,run by Masons you see,I much prefer that,than any religeous law.Read in the Old Testament,Torah,Koran and see how they conduct themselves in war and how to regard their enemies...Salting of the Earth,why is Israel,pumping raw sewerage into the Tigris,that supplies Syria with drinking water...the bible is a book of dirty tricks and porn.

It's just not humane enough for subscription,patronage or for me to follow.

Still not it...but a Box seat at the Ball park...


The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are joining royal forces with
Princess Mary and Prince Frederik for a humanitarian mission.
William and Kate (pictured with Princess Mary) were in Copenhagen today
to support UNICEF's East Africa appeal.
Read More
Gallery: Royals in Copenhagen

• 
  Julian Assange has failed to stop an extradition bid
  
  
• to send him to Sweden to face rapeand sexual assault allegations.
  
  
• Supporters applauded Assange as he left court. “The look on his face -
  
  
• he was terrified,” Susan Gian Steffani, of Melbourne, said.
  Read More
  

• Kevin Rudd is being urged by backers within and outside the Labor caucus
  
  
• to challenge Julia Gillard for the leadership this month. Labor figures say
  
  
• he is now being advised by his closest confidantes not to wait until next year.
  Read More
  

These (above) are the 3 lead IMAGES/stories (in order) of today's (3=11=2011)
Melbourne Herald Sun.
The full articles and other other images (inc. the stills linked the to video reports),
combine to tell a Very Big Story...






Princess Kate receives flowers on arrival at the UNICEF emergency supply centre in Copenhagen, Denmark. Picture: Getty Getty Images


Crown Princess Mary of Denmark and Catherine and Duchess of Cambridge
arrive for a visit to the UNICEF Emergency Supply Centre in Copenhagen, Denmark.
Picture: Getty Getty Images

Royals join famine fight
full article:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/royals-join-famine-fight/story-e6frf7lf-1226184111610#

(I will add here:
from SMUG to TERRIFIED, and so he should be - TERRIFIED -
wearing/ HIDING BEHIND POPPIES!!,
when IT IS HIS/Team Tintin's MOBS, who ATTACK
OUR REMEMBRANCE of OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS -
WHILE CALLING THE WEAK, DIS-EMPOWERED,
UN & UNDER EDUCATED TO REVOLT THEMSELVES TO DEATH,
FOR "THEIR" SECRET AGENDA!!! The BLOODY, BLOODY HYPOCRITE!!
Oh, and NOTE: The "TINTIN" Hairdo is GONE...

...AND, the Colours Grey, "Blond" Orange & Green & those mics!
Not 'a rainbow' but, THE DARK RAINBOW of
The Colours of The SYDNEY HARBOUR BRIDGE BIRTHDAY,
that bothered me so much, even before I found that though it was all over the TV
during the live party/celebrations, I couldn't find any still images OR EXPLANATION
as to WHY they USED THOSE DARK, DULL, DEPRESSING Colours for such a Happy day!)



WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange talks to the media as he leaves The High Court in London, England. Getty Images

Julian Assange's bid to stop extradition fails
full article:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/assange-bid-to-stop-extradition-fails/story-fn7x8me2-1226184040308#



Foreign Affairs Minister Kevin Rudd has been urged by key colleagues
not to give up his old day job. The Daily Telegraph

Don't give up on your old day job, Rudd urged by key colleagues
full article:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/dont-give-up-on-your-old-day-job-rudd-urged-by-key-colleagues/story-fn7x8me2-1226184083122#
(to the above: on "The GRUEN PLANET" last night,
selling the unsellable challenge, was selling K.Rudd as P.M. Again,
with the Question, "CAN YOU POLISH A TURD TWICE?"

...oh and they also stressed and re-stressed, that
there was NOTHING of MARKETING/POLITICAL Value
to the TIMING or HANDLING of The QANTAS GROUNDING.
Seems it's still a "mystery" to some...or they want it to remain so...)

WOAH...and while I writing (and tending to critters), the First 2 changed to...


The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are joining royal forces
with Princess Mary and Prince Frederik for a humanitarian mission,
visiting Copenhagen to support UNICEF's East Africa appeal.
Pictures: Getty Images
Read More


Julian Assange has failed to stop an extradition bid
to send him to Sweden to face rape and sexual assault allegations,
but outside court the defiant Assange called the decision a technicality.
Picture: Getty Images
Read More

...with THIS still, "The Last Word"...

Greens and GetUp! demand
apology over Hitler youth slur
by:AAP
From:AAP
November 03, 2011
2:06PM
36 comments on this story

Liberal Senator Ian MacDonald.
Picture: Michael Jones Herald Sun

THE activist group GetUp! and the Australian Greens are demanding
Liberal senator Ian Macdonald withdraw comments linking them to the
youth league of Nazi Germany.

Senator Macdonald, during a furious debate in parliament's upper
house, referred to GetUp! as the Hitler youth wing of the Greens
political movement.

He stood by his remark when challenged by Greens deputy leader Christine Milne,
and Senate deputy president Stephen Parry refused to rule the comment out of order.
Senator Milne said later the coalition's dirty politics had hit a new low.

"This is an extraordinary abuse of the memories of the countless millions
slaughtered by the Nazis and an abhorrent offence to Holocaust survivors
and their families," she said.

The Greens will refer both Liberal senators to the upper house privileges committee.

"I have written to the president of the Senate this morning asking him to
examine Senator Parry's refusal to rule the slur out of order and pull
Senator MacDonald into line with common decency," Senator Milne said.

Related Coverage

• Liberal MP caned over 'Nazi' dig at GetUp Foundation, 1 hour ago
  
• Greens not sorry for question collusion Foundation, 18 Oct 2011
  
• 'Unfortunate' Gillard likened to Hitler on site Herald Sun, 13 Oct 2011
  
• Milne breached election rules too Foundation, 12 Oct 2011
  
• Gillard targets factions, ALP revitalisation The Australian, 16 Sep 2011
  

The Greens also want Liberal leader Tony Abbott to insist his senator withdraw the remark.
GetUp! accused Senator Macdonald of cowardly hiding behind the veil of parliamentary privilege.

Likening the lobby group to Hitler's youth wing was a comparison that carried
with it "a weight of hatred and ignorance", the group's national director Simon Sheikh said.

"Parliamentarians and indeed all Australians should condemn the statement as
both offensive and a wasteful distraction to the Senate's important work," he said.
GetUp! is making a formal complaint to the Senate privileges committee and has
called on the senator to apologise.

Mars of Ballarat Posted at 4:17 PM Today
Why don't you have a look at the Green's totalitarian policies
and try to convince any rational person that are not what
they are described.
The Greens want "socially responsible" newspapaers.
Who defines �socially responsible�? Who enforces it?
Will it be deemed �socially responsible� to question warming
alarmism?
Didn�t the Soviet Union also demand a �socially responsible�
media? Doesn�t China?
If memory serves so didn't Hitler!!!
If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, fly's like a duck,
ITS A DUCK!!!!
36 comments on this story
Oh DO, DO READ ALL THE COMMENTS

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.

[quote="true lilly"]

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going on latelyI tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if I post it, it's worth looking into.

true lilly wrote:

I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........



I vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

sheeesh suzi/lilly, tell us sumthin' we don't know. You're a liar.

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.pdf

Theology and Race

AT NOON ON SATURDAY, MAY 6, 1939, a group of Protestant theologians, pastors,
and churchgoers gathered at the historic Wartburg Castle, resonant with Lutheran
and nationalist significance, to celebrate the official opening of the Institute
for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church
Life (Institut zur Erforschung und Beseitigung des jüdischen Einfl usses auf
das deutsche kirchliche Leben). The Institute’s goals were both political and
theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in
the process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed new biblical interpretations
and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime
carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefi ned Christianity
as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, was no Jew but rather had fought
valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling as victim to that struggle. Germans were
now called upon to be the victors in Jesus’s own struggle against the Jews, who
were said to be seeking Germany’s destruction.

Most members of the Institute, particularly its academic director, Walter
Grundmann, professor of New Testament at the University of Jena, regarded
their work as being in the theological avant-garde, addressing and resolving
a problem that had long plagued Christian theology: how to establish clear and distinct boundaries between earliest Christianity and Judaism and eliminate all traces of Jewish influence from contemporary Christian theology and religious practice. As a predominantly younger generation of scholars, trained by Germany’s leading scholars of early Christianity—many members of the Institute were students of the distinguished Tübingen professor, Gerhard Kittel, himself a Nazi who produced antisemitic propaganda1—they saw themselves able to recover the historically genuine, non-Jewish Jesus and a Christian message compatible with contemporary German identity. Theirs was a goal of purification, authenticity, and theological revolution, all in the name of historical-critical methods and commitment to Germanness, to be achieved by eradicating the Jewish from the Christian. A Christian message tainted by Jewishness could not serve Germans, nor could a Jewish message be the accurate teaching of Jesus.
The Institute’s goals were stated forthrightly at its opening by Grundmann, who delivered the keynote lecture on “The Dejudaization of the Religious Life as the Task of German Theology and Church.” The present era, he declared, was similar to the Reformation: Protestants had to overcome Judaism just as Luther had overcome Catholicism. “The elimination of Jewish infl uence on German life is the urgent and fundamental question of the present German religious situation.”

Modern New Testament scholarship had made apparent the “deformation of New Testament ideas into Old Testament preconceptions, so that now angry recognition of the Jewishness in the Old Testament and in parts of the New Testament has arisen, obstructing access to the Bible for innumerable German people.”2
The Bible would have to be purified, Grundmann continued, restored to its pristine condition, to proclaim the truth about Jesus: that he sought the destruction of Judaism.

Munich’s Cardinal Faulhaber, for example, delivered a series of Advent sermons in 1933 attacking the German Christian movement, but his argument, almost identical to what the Confessing Church leaders came to argue, was that the Old Testament need not be eliminated as a Jewish book, as some German Christians advocated; it was, rather, an anti-Jewish book, Faulhaber insisted, since the prophets were constantly condemning Israel for its sinful ways.7 Faulhaber’s objection, then, was not to the German Christians’ antisemitism, but to their failure to realize that the Old Testament itself was on their side.8

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY
Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting
anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfi lled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

In reality Nazism accomplished but few of its goals. But in one area, that of the Jewish question, political myth achieved its purpose to the full. Here the regime met the least opposition from those who in other matters were hardly in accord with Nazism—be it intellectuals, the churches or public opinion in the Reich or abroad. The Jew served as the focal point round which Nazism turned and on which the structural process of value-transformation and reversal of meanings took place. Among the values and meanings that were transformed, the symbol itself was turned into substance; consequently, the negation of Judaism had to be transformed into the annihilation of the Jew, this time not spiritually but rather physically, not symbolically but in substance.” Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption,

and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.
Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fi ghter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?
Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.
Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European
culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political signifi cance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19..........................

The error Of Replacement Theology

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.


The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.


Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.


Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.


The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Definition

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.

THE END TIME SOLUTION TO
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
By Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=3&type=12

The hideous falsehood known as replacement theology has been a cancer in theological circles for the past two millennia that just seems to refuse to go away. While replacement theology takes on different applications, and modes, it is a theology originated by the early non Jewish fathers of the so called "Christian Church". It coldly states that a new Rome centered, and Roman based ecclesiastical organization called "the church", is the "new Israel". This new Israel, would now forever replace Jewish Israel, since Yahuwah permanently rejected the Jews for killing their Messiah, His Son. Extreme proponents of replacement theology have even gone so far as to claim that Yahuwah, the mean, and cruel despot, was the Elohim of the Old Covenant Jews, as opposed to Yahshua who is the forever loving, kind, and compassionate Elohim who had REPLACED YAHUWAH AS LORD OF "THE CHURCH" OR THE SO CALLED "NEW ISRAEL". In other words, Yahshua’s people have replaced the Father’s people.

This hideous doctrine is by no means a small theological side issue to be argued in a local pub. It has been at the forefront of antisemitism, Judeo-phobia, and has fully provided fuel for tragic historical events such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Crusades, the ouster of the Jews from every European country, as well as the Nazi holocaust. As history clearly demonstrates, Martin Luther, and other Protestant reformers blueprinted both the call, and the plans for the annihilation of the Jewish nation from Europe, and later the world by providing "so called Christians", with biblical justification to perpetrate genocide on world Jewry. Adolph Hitler knew full well that he could find theological approval, and support from these church folks. The inbred functionalism of this spiritual cancer amongst those that preach Yahshua is so widespread that it cannot be fully reversed, and eliminated until Yahshua’s millennial reign begins shortly when He returns to the earth. Even such seemingly benign church doctrines such as "Kingdom Now" theology or "Dominion" theology, where the so called "church" will christianize the world through the establishment of the bible as a global constitution, and whereby all world powers, and authorities will be won to, and taken over by Christendom, are nothing more than new attempts at replacing the "troublesome Jews". Wasn’t this flawed global christianization program, whereby Yahshua would merely take over a globally loyal populace converted through church efforts, already tried numerous times? Historically they were called the Crusades, Inquisitions, and Pogroms. Was it not the Crusaders who were attempting to take the globe by the sword, and convert, and subdue it by the gospel?

The theology of "Dominion Now" or "Kingdom Now", is nothing but a papal farce, designed to enlist Protestants in a new age attempt to liquidate the Jewish race, by theology rather than by a sword. They believe twentieth century man will not respond favorably to any elimination of the Jewish nation via bloodletting. Therefore in these last days, we see a major resurgence in "church" theology, designed to subdue, and eliminate the Jew. In these various applications of replacement theology, the Jew has no future whatsoever unless he agrees to become one with "the church", and assimilate his precious customs, feasts, seventh day Sabbaths, and the rest of his national identity through incorporation or more accurately through disappearance, and integration within "the church".

These hideous theologies call anything Jewish to be anti Christ, and legalistic. Jewish practices are not welcome in their church systems. It is simply fascinating to me that "the church" has this insatiable desire to institute biblical law, and church sovereignty over the globe by spreading Yahuwah’s laws, when one of the major errors within Christianity is the very rejection, and the denial of the validity of first covenant instruction in New Covenant times.

The so called "church" system has repeatedly, and pridefully proclaimed to its adherents that the Torah or the laws of first covenant Israel are passed away, and nailed to the cross, and have therefore been replaced by the second covenant law, which is love, baby, love. In other words, this man made ecclesiastical organization started, funded, and headquartered in Rome, now wants to force their paganized Christendom down the throats of the worlds populace, with obedience to THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, and other teachings all based on the Decalogue, all the while instructing her very own members that it is not applicable to the New Covenant "church". Now you talk about confusion! How can a man made ecclesiastical system that is boastfully, and wrongfully antinomian (anti-Torah), at it’s very core theology, force the world’s populace to submit to rules, and regulations that they themselves loath as having preceded from the Jewish despot named Yahuwah, and His Jews? Remember that in true replacement theology a pagan blonde haired, and blue eyed European, pork eating Jesus (the English translation of the sun deity Zeus), has replaced Yahuwah the Father as LORD (from the pagan deity Lourdes), over his "church" (from the pagan circular ritual conducted by the Celts).

The most disturbing part of all this is that replacement theology continues to spread overtly, and covertly in these last days seemingly unchecked, and undetected by born again folks of all denominations, as well as by Messianic Jews. As this study progresses you will find, and discover the alarming fact that modern day Messianic Judaism has in most cases fallen into the same trap of replacement theology that they loath, and despise. Messianic Judaism has every right to loath replacement theology. However through error, and pride they not only forsake the true solution to the error of replacement theology, (which is readily available by studying the scriptures accurately with an open mind), but worse yet, they have unknowingly become accomplices to the doctrine itself.

Before we demonstrate the biblically prescribed means for the elimination of this hideous creed, we will learn a few more insights into this doctrine of replacement theology. The first error of this false doctrine is that the church has replaced Israel (the Jews) as the historic continuation of the people of Israel. According to this line of reasoning, Jewish Israel ceased from being a people, with a historic relevancy to Yahuwah at Pentecost in 33 AD. In other words, a total cessation of all eternal promises, and blessings which had been promised to the Jews, had come about because of the New Covenant "church", who unilaterally declared the first covenant promises to the Jews null, and void. The truth of course is that the physical descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, had, and will continue to have a crucial, and vital role in the historical, and redemptive purposes of the Father. Replacement theology declares that the Jews are no different than any other people group, and that their chosen status was self appointed, and has ceased when their "European" non Jewish (Jesus) went to the cross.

The truth of course is that no other nation before or since has been earmarked by Yahuwah to work out His redemptive, and earthly will, as has Israel (12 tribes).

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.

I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:

barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.

See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.

Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.

SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.

P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.

Yo!!!! Suzy Woo Woo, clue me up how lying about Gods Book is 'getting right' with Him, or for that matter, gossiping and judging and cursing others is 'getting right' with Him?

You, propose, without any credentials or prerequisite education in Hebrew, that you are able to interpret the Jews Sacred Hebrew scriptures better, more accurately; then ALL the Rabbis/Teachers and credentialed Biblical Scholars on Planet Earth and make the preposterous, unsupported claim that the Hebrew word Mizraim does not mean Egypt, or that the Hebrews did not sojourn from Egypt, through the Sinai into Canaan/Israel.

You're Hubris is so gargantuan you use a Language you do not know: Hebrew, and attempt to write the Jews and Israel out of their own Book.......your Hubris is of monumental size. You claim the Torah is 'done away' with and then proceed to reinterpret it.

Explain that.


I proved you were wrong about your False Doctrine of Church replacement of the Jews and Israel Theology.

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

I proved you wrong about your False Theology that Yahshua/Jesus and the Apostles 'did away' with YHWHs Torah/Instruction.

http://www.yrm.org/yah_p_law.htm

Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods in My presence..."
This commandment is to be aware that the God of Israel exists absolutely and influences all events in the world[23][dead link] and that the goal of the redemption from Egypt was to become His servants (Rashi). It requires the acknowledgment of the single God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the denial of the existence of false gods (Rashi)


Yahshua said (Matthew 23:37-40) “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang (hinge) all the law and the prophets.”

The whole point of Human existence is to learn and practice the SEcond Commandment that Yahshua declares...........Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ........so far you are failing miserably............. ...........gossiping, judging, fearmongering, bearing false witness...........time to shape up and fly right Suzy Woo Woo...............

Time to stand Toe to Toe like you falsely claim you do......support your False Teachings.................you extract Scripture from it context to twist it to fit your bias, Noah was 10 Generations AFTER Adam, long after the continents divided, Peleg was 5 Generations after Noah, the verse you twist to claim it is about the Continents Dividing means no such thing...it is in relation to the Tower of Babylon incident when YHWH confused the tongues of Humankind and dispersed them to the far corners of the Earth.........the whole icident is about the Hubris of humans, something you should, but don't recognize....read/study the following Documents.

Studies in the Book of Genesis Part 1:
The Curse of Canaan
Allen P. Ross

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross_CurseOfCanaan_BSac.pdf

Genesis, the book of beginnings, is primarily concerned with
tracing the development of God's program of blessing. The bless-
ing is pronounced on God's creation, but sin (with its subsequent
curse) brought deterioration and decay. After the Flood there is a
new beginning with a renewal of the decrees of blessing, but once
again corruption and rebellion leave the human race alienated
and scattered across the face of the earth. Against this backdrop
God began His program of blessing again, promising blessing to
those obedient in faith and cursing to those who rebel. The rest of
the book explains how this blessing developed: God's chosen
people would become a great nation and inherit the land of Ca-
aan. So throughout Genesis the motifs of blessing and cursing
occur again and again in connection with those who are chosen
and those who are not......................The purpose of this section in Genesis, then, is to portray the
characteristics of the three branches of the human race in rela-
tion to blessing and cursing. In pronouncing the oracle, Noah
discerned the traits of his sons and, in a moment of insight,
determined that the attributes of their descendants were em-
bodied in their personalities.2 Because these sons were pri-
mogenitors of the families of the earth, the narrator is more
interested in the greater meaning of the oracle with respect to
tribes and nations in his day than with the children of Shem,
Ham, and Japheth.3
Shem, the ancestor of the Shemites to whom the Hebrews
belonged, acted in good taste and was blessed with the possession
of the knowledge of the true God, Yahweh. Japheth, the ancestor
of the far-flung northern tribes which include the Hellenic
peoples,4 also acted properly and thus shared in the blessing of
Shem and was promised geographical expansion. In contrast,
Ham, represented most clearly to Israel by the Egyptians and
Canaanites, acted wrongly in violating sexual customs regarded
as sacred and as a result had one line of his descendants cursed
with subjugation.5
So the oracle of Noah, far from being concerned simply with
the fortunes of the immediate family, actually pertains to vast
movements of ancient peoples...................Canaan, then, is the prototype of the population that suc-
cumbed to enervating influences and was doomed by its vices to
enslavement at the hands of hardier and more virtuous races.52
Because Ham, the "father" of Canaan, had desecrated the honor
of his father by seeing his uncovered nakedness, this divine and
prophetic oracle is pronounced on the people who would be
known for their immorality in a shameful way, a trait discernible
in this little story in the history of beginnings.
The blessing aspect is given to Shem, but the wording is
unexpected: "Blessed be the LORD [Yahweh], the God of Shem."
The emphasis on the possession of God by his name is
strengthened in this line in a subtle way. Delitzsch says, "Yahweh
makes himself a name in becoming the God of Shem, and thus
entwines His name with that of Shem, which means ‘name.’53
By blessing one's God, the man himself is blessed. The idea is
that Shem will ascribe his good fortune to Yahweh his God, for his
advantage is not personal merit; his portion is Yahweh.54 The
great line of blessing will be continued through Shem from Noah
to Abram, the man of promise.
Here again, however, the point of the oracle looks to the
descendants. It would then be clear to Israel, who found them-
selves in such a personal, covenantal relationship with Yahweh,
that they were the heirs of this blessing..........

4Unfortunately Part 2 I have not found on the 'Net, for free ($50).....here are Parts 3 & 4


Who is this 'god' you serve? It can't be YHWH. You know nothing of Him or His Plan for humankind.

Studies in the Book of Genesis Part 3:

The Table of Nations in

Genesis 10--Its Content

Allen P. Ross


http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.htm

THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)

More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of

Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,

Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-

Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine

respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both

places and tribes.

Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to

Africa. The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is

used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.

Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In

antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern

flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it

served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the

Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the

African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.

Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost

ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt...................Mizraim developed

into tribes. From the Egyptians sprang the Ludim, a group of

African tribes west of the Delta;36 the Anamim, in the vicinity of

Cyrene;37 the Lehabim, the Libyans on the north African shore

(Nah. 3:9 and Dan. 11:43); the Naphtuhim, the people of the

Delta (Lower Egypt); the Pathrusim, the people of Upper Egypt;38

the Casluhim, the people who dwelt east of the Delta between

Egypt and Canaan;39 and the Caphtorim, the Cretans.40

The clause "from whence come the Philistines" is problem-

atic because of its position in the text. Scripture connects the

origin of the Philistines with Caphtor (Amos 9:7; Deut. 2:23;

Jer. 47:4), but the Caphtorim, the Cretans, come after this

clause. While some have suggested rearranging the clauses, it

may not be necessary. The clause in the Table suggests migration

and not lineage. Amos has the Philistines from Caphtor in the

same sense that Israel was from Egypt--migration and not

origination.41 The difficulty may be solved by looking at their

origin and their migration from the Aegean bases through Caph-

tor into the Delta and finally into Palestine.

.................................That the promised land is central to the Table can be seen

from the arrangement of the descendants. The Japhethites are

spread from east to west across the northern frontier; the Ham-

ites surround the land from south to west; and the Shemites are

traced from the eastern to the southern borders of the land.

Moreover, the preoccupation with the Canaanites in the land of

promise shows the concern of the writer to fit the Table to the

message of the book: the fulfillment of God's promise to bless

Israel as a nation in that land, and to bless those nations that

bless her, and curse those who are antagonistic to her.

The Table then deliberately selected these tribes and traced

their development.
...............................The passage then refers to the developing line from Arpach-shad, using the form through Shelah to Eber. One of Eber's

sons is Peleg, in whose days the earth was divided (probably

referring to the division of nations at Babel 52). Once the Table

mentions Peleg, it traces his line no further. .................According to Genesis, the new nation of Israel was to be

blessed as God's people in the land of Canaan. God's plan to bless

Israel involved the movement, displacement, and subjugation of

other peoples. The oracle of Noah in Genesis 9 anticipated the

blessing for Shem, along with Japheth, and the cursing of Ca-

naan, a son of Ham. This Table in Genesis 10 gives direction to

that oracle. It presents the lines of Shem and Japheth as pure

tribal groups around the promised land; it also presents the old

block of Hamites, especially the mixed races in the land of Ca-

naan, as the predominant powers on the earth

........................


Studies in the Book of Genesis
Part 4:
The Dispersion of the
Nations in Genesis 11:1-9
Allen P. Ross
Introduction to the Passage

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-DispersionGn11-BSac.pdf

THE NATURE OF THE ACCOUNT
The narrative in Genesis 11:1-9 describes the divine inter-
vention among the human family to scatter them across the face
of the earth by means of striking at the :heart of their unity- their
language. A quick reading of the passage shows that the pre-
dominant idea is not the tower of Babel but this scattering.
If the point is not simply the tower, then this passage does not
present, as some have suggested, a Hebrew adaptation of the
Greek Titans storming heaven to dislodge God. Rather, the char-
acteristics of the people in this story are anxiety and pride
through their own gregariousness.1 The tower, on the one hand,
is born from the people's fear of being scattered across the earth;
and on the other hand it is an attempt to frustrate God's plan to
fill the earth (Gen. 9:1).
The sin. Since the story has the trappings of a judgment
narrative in which Yahweh interrupts mankind's misguided
activities and scatters them abroad, it may be assumed that the
antithesis of this scattering must be the sin. The major error was
not the building of a city, but the attempt of the race to live in one
City.2 Therefore it appears that the human family was striving for
unity, security, and social immortality (making a name) in de-
fiance of God's desire for them to fill the earth.
Divine punishment. It is important to keep in mind that the
"judgment" was not the destruction of the city but of the language that united the people. It was shattered into a multiplicity
of languages so that the common bond was destroyed.3 Thus the
text is demonstrating that the present number of languages that
form national barriers is a monument to sin.....................So it is with this story that the common history of all man-
kind comes to an abrupt end, which leaves the human race
hopelessly scattered across the face of the entire earth. It is this
that makes the present narrative so different from those preced-
ing it: In each judgment there was a gracious provision for hope
but in this judgment there is none. It does not offer a token of
grace, a promise of any blessing, a hope of salvation, or a way of
escape. There is no clothing for the naked sinner, no protective
mark for the fugitive, no rainbow in the dark sky. There is no ray
of hope. The primeval age ends with judgmental scattering and
complete confusion. The blessing is not here; the world must
await the new history.
In view of this, the story of the scattering of the nations is
actually the turning point of the book from primeval history to
the history of the blessing. From this very confused and dis-
persed situation nations would develop in utter futility until God
would make a great nation through one man who himself would
be "scattered" from this alluvial plain to the land of Canaan. The
blessings of final redemption and unification would come
through his seed.........................Irony is seen in the beginning and the ending of this pas-
sage. The group at Babel began as the whole earth (11:1), but
now they were spread over the whole earth (11:9). By this the
lesson is clarified: God's purpose will be accomplished in spite of
the arrogance and defiance of man's own purposes. He brings
down the proud, but exalts the faithful.
The significance of this little story is great. It explains to
God's people how the nations were scattered abroad. Yet the
import goes much deeper. The fact that it was Babylon, the
beginning of kingdoms under Nimrod from Cush, adds a rather
ominous warning: Great nations cannot defy God and long sur-
vive. The new nation of Israel need only survey the many nations
around her to perceive that God disperses and curses the rebel-
lious, bringing utter confusion and antagonism among them. If
Israel would obey and submit to God's will, then she would be the
source of blessing to the world.
Unfortunately, Israel also raised her head in pride and re-
fused to obey the Lord God. Thus she too was scattered across the
face of the earth.

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Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda.......


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’


Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition
http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.



Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel.

................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.


One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain.

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...

...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...

...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.
SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots




The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.

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...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!


Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.

Picture: AFP Read More
Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.", is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence, "they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...





WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#

An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.

''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.

''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?

''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''

Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/middle-east-protests/

Just another hint, still not "IT"...

Pet owner Christine White wants answers
after her two beloved rottweilers died
of suspected carbon monoxide poisoning
while on board the Spirit of Tasmania,
travelling to a dog show.
Picture: Bruce Magilton Read More

Oh, "on board The Spirit of a Dutchman"...

The Rottweiler originated in Rottweil, Germany.
The dogs were known as "Rottweil butchers' dogs"

German economy to slow next year - panel

And remember,
there are MORE GERMANS LEAVING GERMANY,
that Foreigners swarming in...AND,
Australia has ONLY sent
100 of 1370 ILLEGAL GERMAN'S IN OZion
(to 30 June 2010), BACK TO GERMANY...
but then with so many GERMAN WW2 POW's,
sent here and being allowed to stay 'as' OZion's citizens
IN THIS LAND THEY PLAN TO TAKE FOR THEMSELVES,
and like so many of Their EUROPEAN Allies, LOOKING and
SPEAKING "like us", it's so easy for them to be hidden
amongst us...to "DISAPPEAR" WHILE AMONGST US...

Let's deport this terror boss
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
November 21, 2011
12:00AM
Abdul Nacer Benbrika.
Herald Sun

THE unrivalled success of Australia's postwar immigration tidal wave
- it has transformed our nation in ways we increasingly seldom bother
to observe - is besmirched by just two problems, and the time has come
to deal with them.

Too many foreigners implacably hostile to the notions of democracy,
equality and our liberal Western ways have been allowed to become
Australian citizens.

That's a fact.
The would-be mass killer Abdul Benbrika
and like-minded "Australian" Islamists
are evidence enough, the tip of a threatening iceberg
that floated unnoticed into Australian waters
not all that many years ago.

The 1949 Immigration Act, dated with nationalistic pride on January 26 that year,
did not foresee the rise of radical Islam nor its adherents' strategies
of entering Western nations like a computer virus that one day would
click to "on", in a way the fizzer Y2K bug failed to a decade back.

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This dog-eared and hurriedly drawn Act of Parliament, one of our
most important, also fails us today by severely restricting our ability
to deport from Australia, not just Trojan Horse Islamists, but deadly
violent men and women we failed to detect as they sailed through the
effortless steps to citizenship.

In recent days there has been news to dismay those of us who now realise
how hamstrung we are with simplistic rules set in place by the naively enthusiastic
Arthur Augustus Calwell, the 1940s federal minister whose immigration program
this is.

"Populate or perish," was Calwell's cry in the 1940s.
A Hansonite response today might be "populate and perish".
Pauline Hanson was a useful idiot for those racists who oppose our migration program,
and the attention given to her ignorant "views" on the subject deformed the national debate.
But that doesn't mean there aren't migrants here that we can do without.

Calwell, to become Opposition leader and so very nearly prime minister but for a
missing bit of DNA - the charisma gene - got much wrong in his life, but
his immigration plans changed the nation, and very much for the better in ways
even he could not have foreseen.

It's just the details I am quibbling with this morning,
minutia that one day might kill you, or me, or many of us.

That's what Algerian-born Benbrika and his team planned in 2005, but he was
at sixes and sevens: should he bomb the MCG on Grand Final day, or perhaps
the Flemington racecourse for the Melbourne Cup? Decisions, decisions.

His team was settled on just one thing: as many Australians, men, women,
children - it didn't matter - should die for the greatness of their god as they could muster.
It was quantity of murder they sought, not quality. If some Muslims were
inadvertently caught up in their firestorm, well, they might have to
divvy up the post-mortem virgins
between them.

The afterlife prospects of any Muslim women inadvertently killed in such an attack
were less clear.

Two members of Benbrika's terror cell were released the other day -
Aimen Joud and Ahmed Raad - after short sentences that are often
the hallmark of Victoria's justice system.

Neither can be deported.

They are the sons of Lebanese migrants and both were born here. It's why
Benbrika's strike team was described during its trial as a "home-grown"
terror network.

So they are our problem and, presumably, the Victorian and federal police
will monitor them very closely - indeed, forever - and at enormous expense
to you and me.

These are men, if I may use the term loosely, who entertained themselves
by watching videos of the beheading of infidels by Muslim extremists.
If they have abandoned their jihad against our Western values,
they are keeping that news to themselves.

But Benbrika, their ringleader, is another matter.

He's out in November 2017 and then free to begin plotting more mass murder,
to which he is committed.

He shouldn't even be in Australia. He overstayed a visitor's visa in 1989,
was declared an illegal immigrant and ordered out of the country. Three times.

Then he married a Lebanese woman
who had recently become an Australian citizen
and that secured his stay.
He then also became an Australian citizen.
Australia has routinely deported back to Britain bad men
who mistakenly thought they were citizens. And who can blame them?
They could vote, they could be called up to fight and die for "their" country,
and presumably they thought they were here for keeps.

There are about 900,000
"when it suits me" Australians still calling here home.

A by-product of that is our deporting New Zealanders six times more often
than any other nationality.

We also deported Swedish-born armed robber Stefan Nystrom after his jail term
and he'd lived here since he was just 27 days old.

But ridding ourselves of the malevolent and worthless Benbrika is trickier.

According to an Immigration Department spokesman Australian citizenship
can only be revoked "in very limited circumstances".

"There is no provision that enables citizenship to be revoked where a serious
offence is committed after citizenship has been acquired."

Effectively, this means you must have lied about your circumstances during the
migration or citizenship application processes. Well, here's good news.

I reckon Benbrika has.

When you become an Australian, you utter these words:
"From this time forward, I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey."

No Islamist can say that
without wincing.

The lying Benbrika shares none of the democratic convictions that bind
us as Australians, and which President Barack Obama pointed out last
week in Canberra are not "American rights, or Australian rights, or
Western rights. They are human rights."

Since our first Immigration Act 62 years ago,
the citizenships of just 14 Australians have been revoked.
Let's make sure Abdul Benbrika, who wants to kill you and your children,
pushes that tally up to 15 when he is released in November 2017.

Even well-known criminal lawyer Rob Stary,
who has represented terrorism suspects,
and many an underdog - and more than a few dogs,
including Carl Williams - agrees with me:
"I think there should be a category of offenders
who should forfeit their citizenship."

He sees Benbrika as an example, and he believes
we should have the power to revoke citizenship for such criminals.

"I wouldn't have a blanket provision that once you are an Australian
citizen, you are immune to deportation or revocation of citizenship,"
Stary said.

Should we worry about Benbrika's seven children? No.
Should we worry about his naturalised Australian wife? No.
Let's just worry about us.

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

barnacle bill wrote:You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context.

There, I fixed "your" quote. Lets not confuse folk about who the angry, ranting drunken bitches are ...now, back to my quotes, and reply, IN CONTEXT
Don't "you" have someone other than "yourself"
to SPAM "YOUR" LONG AGO DEBUNKED LIES AT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that ALL "YOUR" LIES
ARE EXPOSED, BY, "YOUR" REFUSAL TO ACCEPT that when
GOD SAID, "FROM THE BEGINNING", that IS WHAT HE MEANT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that there is no free and
open church, teaching that what is described in Holy Scripture,
is supported by the recent discoveries of science?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to cause honest people to ask,
"WHY IS THAT SO?", AND SO, CAUSE them to DISCOVER
THE ANSWER, FOR THEMSELVES?

true lilly wrote:Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...

...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...

...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.

SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots




The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.

58 comments on this story

Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing

...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!


Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.

Picture: AFP Read More
Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.", is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence, "they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...





WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#

An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.

''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.

''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?

''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''

Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/middle-east-protests/

true
lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.

I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:

barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.

See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.

Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.

SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.

P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.

Thousands of migrants 'disappear' in cities under new official system
By Steve Doughty
Last updated at 2:17 AM on 21st November 2011

Hundreds of thousands of migrants have ‘disappeared’ at the stroke of a pen under a new official counting system.

The method has led to apparent large falls in the numbers of migrants thought to live in London and other major cities.

The change has provoked fury among council leaders who say the immigrant populations
of their districts have been grossly underestimated by government statisticians.


Migrants 'disappear': London, Manchester, Bristol, Cambridge and Oxford
are among cities who have had 'large downward revisions' from
the new counting method

Westminster and Kensington in London, Manchester, Bristol, Oxford and Cambridge
are among places thought to have had their estimated populations reduced
by many thousands by the Office for National Statistics.

Colin Barrow, Tory leader of Westminster, said: ‘After four years of work
supposedly improving migration estimates, the ONS apparently still has
little idea how many migrants are in this country or where they live and
work.

‘Our incoming migrant population appears to have dropped by 17 per cent over four
years; you only have to go out into the bars and restaurants in the West End to see
that migrants come to Westminster to live and work in much greater numbers than this.’

More...

• Foreign criminals are 'building a network of children' to stay in the UK, Home Office warns
  
• Firms who take on British teenagers instead of migrant workers should be given subsidies, says head of CBI
  

More than nine out of ten migrants to the UK live in England,
which has become the sixth most crowded major country in the world,
the MigrationWatch think-tank said last week.

Last year net migration was 239,000.

The new estimates method, to be used from next year onwards, uses the same source
of immigration statistics the ONS has always used. This is the
International Passenger Survey, a check on intentions of arrivals at air
and sea ports and on the Eurostar.

From this researchers use a complex formula, based on other official population
databases, to estimate the number of yearly arrivals.

Under the new method, this formula has been tweaked, resulting in changes to
the estimated numbers arriving at certain towns and cities.


Only 4,000?
The new estimate pins the number of migrants in 2009 in Westminster
to just 4,000.
Tory leader Colin Barrow finds this seriously questionable.

Some have fallen while others have risen, but the total remains unchanged.

Westminster’s migrant population has been reduced by 10,000, and Manchester’s and
Bristol’s each by 30,000. According to ONS briefing papers, Kensington and Chelsea,
Oxford and Cambridge have had ‘quite large downward revisions’.

Mr Barrow said: ‘We would seriously question the estimate that fewer than 4,000
migrants came to Westminster in the 2009 financial year to seek work.

'We have seen more people registering with doctors and paying council tax in
Westminster, so we fail to understand how the government statisticians can be so wrong.’

Councils can lose millions in Treasury grants if Whitehall cuts their population estimates.

The ONS was scheduled to publish papers about the new migration counting
system last week, but failed to do so. Some places are said to show a
higher count, such as Newham, East London, with a 13 per cent increase.

The ONS declined to comment yesterday.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064087/Migrants-disappear-Thousands-migrants-counted-cities-new-official-system.html#ixzz1eJCwqHiG

And now, after 16 YEARS of SCATTERING, MIXING, MINGLING,
AND LOSING, SELF CONFESSED ANTI CHRISTS, ALL OVER what
remained of (once civil), Christian Faith Based, European Nations,
that NOW HAVE FELLOW COUNTRYMEN ATTACKING EACH OTHER,
The FOREWARNED, Closing of Boarders, BEGINS...!!!...while,
"Those" SAME ANTI CHRISTS KEEP DEMANDING that
WE LETS THEM FLOOD UNCONTROLLED INTO AUSTRALIA!!!

"Sorry. We don't know where your cat is"




EU moves to end
passport-free Schengen travel
The European Union has moved toward
reversing passport free travel
across the
continent
amid fears of a wave of migrants
fleeing unrest in north Africa.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8511019/EU-moves-to-end-passport-free-Schengen-travel.html

Updated 13th Oct 2011
Fairfax Who’s Who

The first name to be conjured with in any history of
the Fairfax family is the little known name Skirpenbeck. He was alleged
to be a descendant of the Danish invaders of the 10^th century who had a liaison with an Anglo-Saxon female and produced a son who was the ancestor of Richard who, in the 12^th/13^th century took the surname Faeger Fax later changed to Fairfax.

Many early members of the family entered the military, the most famous being General Sir Thomas Fairfax who was the first person to actually train an army and who led the Parliamentary troops to victory in the English 17^th century civil wars.

Other members of the family joined the navy, one of whom was Vice Admiral Sir William George Fairfax
who took part in General Woolf’s capture of Quebec. Another Admiral,
Robert Fairfax, played a prominent part in the taking of Gibraltar in
1704 and was richly rewarded by Queen Anne. He later became an MP.

In the 17^th century William Fairfax and his family crossed the Atlantic to join Captain John Smith and “Princess” Pocahontas, the first settlers in Jamestown but all were later killed by Indians.

The 6th Lord Fairfax
also made his way to Virginia in 1746 where he befriended the youthful
George Washington and gave him his first job surveying part of his
enormous estate of 5 million acres. Fairfax County was named after him.
In the 19^th century,

John Fairfax and his family from Warwickshire emigrated to Australia and became newspaper magnates some of whom were later knighted.

Mary Somerville
nee Fairfax died in 1872 when she was 92 and sometimes referred to as
“the Queen of Science”. For the time when women were expected to remain
uneducated she wrote books on molecular and microscopic science,
physical geography, etc and was also a talented painter and pianist.
Following her death, Oxford University named a college after her.
Another woman of distinction was Eve Fairfax who was known for her
beauty and a model for Rodin before her death at the age of 106.

In the arts world Robert Fairfax
(spelt at the time Fayrfax) was the musician/composer to Henry VIII and
referred to as “the first gentleman”. He has been described as one of
the least known but most influential of English musicians. His music has
been recorded and is available on several CDs.

More
recently, in an interesting contrast to medieval England, Frankie
Fairfax, was a well known American jazz musician who played with Dizzy
Gillespie. In another aspect of music, Andrew and Anneleen Fairfax are
violin makers and restorers.

Fairfaxes have also featured in literature, particularly poetry, with Edward Fairfax,
the translator of Tasso, and more recently John Fairfax, who died in
2009, a friend of Dylan Thomas and Ted Hughes who was responsible for
creating the Avon Foundation. Other notable contemporary Fairfaxes
include brothers Michael Fairfax and Jo Fairfax, both sculptors.

Family members have also achieved supporting success, most notably Alan Fairfax, who played cricket for Australia and Russell Fairfax,
also Australian and a famous rugby league player. Closer to home,
Ray Fairfax, played soccer for West Bromwich Albion (an English soccer
team).

Royal
associations with the Fairfax family continue to today, with Princes
William and Harry being descendants of 16 th Century nobleman, Sir
Nicholas Fairfax, through their mother Diana Spencer.

Today Fairfax achievements still hit the headlines. Our Patron, Nicholas 14th Lord Fairfax of Cameron, recently took part in a 7,500 mile motor-bike journey across Russia raising money for Russian children's charities. Fairfaxes
can also be found in a diverse range of professions ranging from film
directing, teaching, law and chartered accountancy, spread out across
the globe. This is reflected in the make up of the Society, with members
not only in the UK but also America, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and
the West Indies. - Gerry Webb

ROEBUCK VICTIM EMERGES: Fairfax/ABC must compensate the victims of ...‎ - VEXNEWS

true lilly wrote:Semen from sheet to be tested
for Peter Roebuck's DNA
by: Peter Badel
From:Herald Sun
November 20, 2011
9:39AM

Peter Roebuck.
Picture: ABC Supplied

AN inquest into Peter Roebuck's suicide has taken a twist with
forensic experts to determine whether semen samples taken from a
bedsheet match the DNA of the acclaimed cricket journalist.

It is alleged that Roebuck's semen spilled on to a bedspread as he
attempted to have sex with Zimbabwean man Itai Gondo, who has lodged a
sexual assault complaint against Roebuck.

Forensic analysis will ascertain whether the semen samples match Roebuck's DNA.

The development comes as Mr Gondo, a 26-year-old IT student, spoke out
again yesterday to provide more detailed accounts of his dealings with
the journalist.

In one chilling claim, Mr Gondo accused Roebuck of
playing mind games to trick him into stripping,
alleging the journalist described it as
"peeling off the layers to get to the real me".

Mr Gondo was taken to a Cape Town hospital by South African police
following Roebuck's death to provide DNA and blood samples to a state
pathologist.

With the inquest expected to take at least a month, Mr Gondo
yesterday claimed Roebuck leapt from his hotel room window to avoid the
shame of defending himself against sexual assault charges.

"As far as I am concerned he took his own life because he didn't want to face the law," he told a South African newspaper.

"He didn't want to face up to what he did.

"So it's not my problem. He is the architect of his own demise."

Mr Gondo, who wanted to take his own life following the alleged incident,
said Roebuck has robbed him of his day in court.

"The more I thought through it, I realised I wanted my day in court so I could move on,"
he said.

"I kept thinking if I keep quiet what if he does the same thing to another guy?

"Then I'm going to regret it knowing that I could have stopped this person in his tracks.

"I was feeling suicidal. I was hiding out in my room. I couldn't eat and was having nightmares.

"In desperation I messaged a very good friend in New York who is like a big brother
and told him what had happened.

"I told him I feel violated as a man . . . that I was shocked I couldn't
fight him off and it makes me feel like a sissy and a pushover.

"This man took advantage of me.
"He preyed on the fact that I was reaching out to him
and trusted him and he did this to me."

Mr Gondo, who met Roebuck via Facebook,
shut down his account on the social network following the journalist's death.

South African newspaper said Mr Gondo reactivated his account briefly
to show its reporter his final Facebook message on November 12,
the day Roebuck plunged six storeys to his death.

The private message to Roebuck read:
"It's funny how you ask me how I am doing
as if what you did to me you find that justifiable?

"So that was your intention all along?

To lure me and pretend you were interested in forming some father-like relationship,
yet your intention was to do the sick, pervert disgusting thing you did to me?

"Well Mr Roebuck, you can stuff whatever form of support you
blatantly faked to be interested in. You have greatly humiliated me and
I feel very violated, disgusted with myself, your acts were of
the purest, sickest kind.

"It makes sense why you pretend to help out orphans,
whilst you prey on their financial difficulty for your perverted satisfaction.

"I shudder to even think what sick sex-related things you're doing to
those 17 boys staying with you!

"I don't need your assistance, I don't shake hands with the devil,
don't bother replying for I will block you after this message.

"One day the long arm of the law
will catch up with your evil misdeeds, rest assured,
then all the money in the world won't save you.
"Goodbye, Mr Molester and good riddance!"

no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar......

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.

What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?





lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.

That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.

You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.

You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.

ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.

Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.

Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?

The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html



Counting Backwards from Now

60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia

1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth.


4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!


The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe

The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.

Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.

That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted...

GERMANY:Pharmaceutical giant
wants Facebook answers
by:From correspondents in Berlin
From:AFP
November 25, 2011 6:02AM

GERMAN pharmaceutical and chemical giant Merck is demanding answers
from Facebook after losing control of its page on the US social
networking site.

"We want to understand why our site does not belong to us any more,"
said Gangolf Schrimpf, a spokesman for the firm.

The group was "very surprised" to discover that its Facebook page contained
information on the similarly named, but unrelated US company Merck,
Mr Schrimpf today.

Merck KGaA has lodged a complaint with the Supreme Court of
the State of New York setting out its intention to take legal action against Facebook.

"Because Facebook is an important marketing device, the page is
of great value to Merck and its misappropriation is causing harm," said the complaint.

"While it is clear that Merck's Facebook page has been misappropriated,
it is not yet clear how that happened or who is at fault nor ... is Facebook
providing clear information about what happened," a Merck KGaA lawyer
wrote.

In March, 2010, the German firm signed a deal with Facebook for
exclusive rights to the page www.facebook.com/merck but was astonished
to find in October this year that the content had changed and it had
lost administrative control.

Content now related to its competitor Merck in the United States.

The two firms are distantly related, but have been legally separate
entities since the 1919 Treaty of Versailles after World War I when the
group was split in two as part of a reparations package against Germany.

Twenty police injured in nuke protest

AP
GERMAN police say
20 policemen were injured
during clashes with protesters
ahead of the arrival of
a shipment of nuclear waste.

true lilly wrote:Nuclear waste train heads into Germany
From:AFP
November 25, 2011 9:45PM
Last Updated: November 26, 2011

THE last train carrying reprocessed nuclear waste back from France
to Germany crossed the border today after being delayed by
demonstrations and steamed towards more trouble.

The train, carrying 11 wagonloads of vitrified radioactive material,
left a siding in the station of Remilly, just outside the town of Metz
and around 30km from the German border, at 7pm (AEDT).

Several hundred French riot police had protected the train overnight, and
around 60 German officers and a French "RAID" team - a SWAT-style
special weapons squad - were on board as it resumed its journey.

The train had left a yard operated by the French nuclear giant Areva in
Valognes, in Normandy, on Wednesday, due to travel more than 1100km
across France and through Germany to the waste dump in Gorleben.

But violent anti-nuclear protests delayed its journey, and authorities
halted it overnight while trying to keep demonstrators guessing about
its eventual route across the border and back into Germany.

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Today, it finally crossed the frontier in the border town of Forbach, just south of Saarbrucken, and entered Germany.

Last November a similar controversial shipment took 91 hours to arrive at
its final destination - a day longer than planned - and it was dogged
the length of the route by French and then German protesters.

Around 50,000 activists turned out in Germany to try to disrupt the train
during that transfer, and protest organisers expect 20,000 to demonstrate
against the convoy as it nears the central town of Gorlebenlater on Friday.

Some 19,000 German officers have been deployed, and tear gas and water canon
were fired when clashes erupted overnight when a few hundred protesters tried
to block the line around 20km outside Gorleben.

Spooked by Japan's Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its
use
of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice
of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.

Anti-nuclear activists want France to follow suit and shut its reactors, an idea
firmly dismissed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose government believes
French industry is reliant on cheap nuclear-generated electricity.

There has long been widespread public opposition in Germany to nuclear power,
which environmentalists believe presents an unacceptable radioactive threat
to public health and the environment.

In March, the Japanese nuclear plant at Fukushima Daiichi was hit by an earthquake
and a tsunami, triggering a meltdown and massive radiation leak - and increasing
worldwide concerns over nuclear power.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government agreed to halt German reactors by 2022,
forcing energy suppliers to close plants and levying a tax on fuel.

In the meantime, Germany will no longer send nuclear waste for
reprocessing in France, but will instead stockpile it until a way is
found to make it safe.

France produces 75 per cent of its electricity needs in nuclear plants - a
higher proportion than any other country - and its electricity bills are around
25 per cent cheaper than in its neighbours, a boon to industry.

German protesters are angry that Merkel's announced nuclear phase-out will
take another decade, and that there is still no permanent storage site for the waste generated in the country's reactors.

German mother
gives birth to gigantic baby,
names him 'Jihad'

Mother Elfi holds her son Jihad at Charit Campus hospital in Berlin.
Picture: AP Sunday Herald Sun

AN obese German mother gave birth to a gigantic baby boy
without the help of a C-section, and named him
"Jihad."
The newborn -- the mother's 14th -- weighed in at 5.9kg
25 November 2011
Last updated at 21:08 GMT

Belgium credit rating downgraded by S&P

S&P says it considers Belgian government debt
to be at "high levels"

Belgium has had its credit rating downgraded by ratings agency Standard & Poor's.

The country's downgrade could make it more expensive for Belgium to borrow in future.

Belgium's rating was cut by one notch, to AA from AA+, with S&P expressing concerns about funding and market pressures.

The move comes as the eurozone crisis threatens to keep growing, and with continued concerns over Italian debt.

"We think the Belgian government's capacity to prevent an
increase in general government debt, which we consider to be already at
high levels, is being constrained by rapid private sector deleveraging
both in Belgium and among many of Belgium's key trading partners,"
S&P said in a statement.

It also said the outlook was "negative",
meaning Belgium's rating could possibly be cut further in future.

"We need a reply that is clear and credible
if we are to avoid the worst,"
Belgium's caretaker prime minister, Yves Leterme, told
Belgian television after S&P's announcement.

Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant,
Prince of Belgium
(French: Philippe Léopold Louis Marie,
Dutch: Filip(s) Leopold Lodewijk Maria;
born 15 April 1960),
is the eldest son and heir apparent of
Albert II, King of the Belgians and Queen Paola.

House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

The Duke of Brabant
at World Economic Forum in 2010

His godparents were his paternal grandfather,
King Leopold III of the Belgians,
and his maternal grandmother
Donna Luisa, Princess Ruffo di Calabria.

Spouse
Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
daughter of a Walloon Belgian noble family
and female line descendant of Polish noble families
such as the Princes Sapieha,
on 4 December 1999 in Brussels,
civilly at the Brussels Town Hall and
religiously at the Cathedral of Saint Michel in Brussels.

They have four children:

• Princess Elisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, born 25 October 2001
  
• Prince Gabriel Baudouin Charles Marie, born 20 August 2003
  
• Prince Emmanuel Léopold Guillaume François Marie, born 4 October 2005
  
• Princess Eléonore Fabiola Victoria Anne Marie, born 16 April 2008
  

Prince Philippe was educated at the Belgian Royal Military School.
From 1978 to 1981 he continued his education
at Oxford University's Trinity College.
He attended Graduate School at Stanford University, California,
where he graduated in 1985 with an MA degree in Political Science.

Greater Coat of Arms of Belgium


Personal Standard of King Albert II.
Albert II

King of the Belgians

King Albert II and Queen Paola with
US President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush
at the Royal Palace in Brussels in 2005.

King Albert II with Queen Paola,
and other royals and Heads of state,
at the funeral of Pope John Paul II.

Yves Leterme
Prime Minister of Belgium

Incumbent

Assumed office 25 November 2009

Monarch: Albert II

Private life and hobbies
Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of goats.

He breeds goats in his private time
in the small farm where he lives.

In November 2010 the Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad
had some more news about Yves' favorite animals:
two of his favorite goats, named Trudy and Vicky,
were to appear in a play by the local theatre society of Ypres.
The play is called 'Island of the goats'.
In an interview Yves called goats "The poor man's cow."


Ray:
Ken, I grew up in Dublin. I love Dublin.
If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me
but I didn't, so it doesn't.

Ray:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have the good
sense not to... hang on.

Is Belgium with all those child abuse murders
lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.

What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.



Harry:
Not only have you refused to kill the boy,
you even stopped the boy from
killing himself,
which would've solved my problem,
which would've
solved your problem,
which sounds like it would've solved the boy's problem.
Ken:
It wouldn't have solved his problem.
Harry:
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise,
I wouldn't have thought twice.
I'd killed myself on the fucking spot.
On the fucking spot.
I would've stuck the gun in me mouth.
On the fucking spot!

Ray:
Maybe that's what hell is,
the entire rest of eternity spent in fucking Bruges.

Belgian parties reach 2012 budget deal
by:By Roddy Thomson
From:AAP
November 27, 2011 1:00AM

BELGIAN politicians reached a deal on the 2012 budget today,
ending a 19-month deadlock that had prevented the formation
of a stable government and led to a debt downgrade,
a negotiator said.

"There is an agreement," said a spokesman for the French-speaking socialists,
one of six parties in the linguistically-divided country that had been struggling
to reconcile spending cuts with tax rises.

The accord, reached after 17 hours of negotiations, opens the way to
forming a new government after 19 months in caretaker management.

Friday night's downgrade by ratings giant Standard and Poor's, which saw
Belgium drop by one notch to AA, piled pressure on the parties to
reconcile spending cuts with tax rises to avoid EU penalties next month.

Internal pressure, though, was at least matched by external strains among wider
eurozone leaders, two weeks from a crunch summit dogged by mounting doubts
over their ability to resolve the debt crisis.

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With a national debt worth almost one year's economic output, which
threatens to crush the country with the onset of recession, outgoing
Prime Minister Yves Leterme had made it clear he feared a rout
when markets reopen on Monday if a way forward was not agreed.

"It is blindingly obvious, we have to send a very clear signal... preferably
before the markets open," Mr Leterme had said in a live national
television interview before a shocked Belgian people.

The parties had to work out how to trim 11.3 billion euros ($15.58 billion)
off the deficit next year and about 20 billion euros ($27.58 billion) in all
by 2015.

The ultimatum came days after Mr Leterme's expected successor,
Elio Di Rupo, offered his resignation to Belgium's king,
frustrated at the failure of six-party talks to agree on a
deficit-cutting 2012 budget to avoid EU sanctions.

Albert II rejected the offer and sent Di Rupo back to work.

The ratings blow underlined a sharp escalation of the debt crisis
in a week in which even Germany struggled to raise finance.

Concern is growing that the euro currency, in the absence of
radical pan-eurozone action, is close to breaking point.

"The ability of authorities to respond to potential economic pressures from
inside and outside of Belgium... in our opinion is constrained by the
repeated failure of attempts to form a new government," the S&P
statement said.

After Greek, Portuguese and Irish bailouts, and
with Italy, Spain and France now under pressure,
it was more bad news for leaders struggling
in the absence of a European Central Bank
decision to mount a gigantic financial rescue.

The European Commission has repeatedly urged Belgium
to bring its public deficit below 3.0 per cent of GDP by 2012 -
or face a fine of about half a billion euros.

Finance Minister Didier Reynders blamed the downgrade on a
"global loss of confidence" in eurozone public finances,
while insisting that Belgium's creditworthiness remained
"one of the strongest in Europe".

Analysts said the news had wider significance.

"Belgium is the symbolic buffer
between the eurozone periphery and its core,
so this is a sign that the crisis -
slowly, but surely -
is striking at the heart of Europe,"
Sony Kapoor, head of the Re-Define think tank, told AFP.
___________________________________________________

Tourist killed, 3 kidnapped in Mali
by:By Baba Ahmed in Bamako
From:AP
November 26, 2011 6:58AM

GUNMEN burst into a restaurant
in Mali's most famous city of Timbuktu overnight,
grabbed four tourists dining there and executed one
when he refused to climb into their truck,
said a witness and an official who inspected the body.
The armed men entered the Amanar restaurant around 2.30pm on Friday
local time and pointed their guns at four tourists dining inside, said
Moussa Boubacar, a client at the restaurant.

The four followed the gunmen outside, but when the gunmen tried to
make them enter a vehicle, one of the tourists refused, Boubacar said.

The kidnappers opened fire, killing him on the spot, Boubacar said.

Their nationalities could not immediately be confirmed, but witnesses describe them
as European.

Dramane Diallo, the regional director of Timbuktu's civil protection division,
said that he rushed to the scene and found the corpse of an elderly white man,
who locals said was the tourist that had refused to enter the car.

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Until a few years ago, Timbuktu was one of the most visited
destinations in Africa, but it is now one of the many former tourist
hotspots in Mali that have been deemed too dangerous to visit by foreign
embassies because of kidnappings by the local chapter of al-Qaeda.

The incident overnight comes after two French citizens were grabbed
in the middle of the night from their hotel in the Malian town of Hombori
on Thursday.

Neither kidnapping has yet been claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
or AQIM, whose members have kidnapped and ransomed over 50 Europeans and
Canadians since 2003.

If Friday's kidnapping is by AQIM, it will mark the first time they have taken
a hostage inside of Timbuktu's city limits. Thursday's kidnapping would be
another first - the first time they have grabbed their victim south of the Niger River.

The group's footprint has grown dramatically since 2006, when the Algerian-led cell
first joined al-Qaeda. Security experts estimate the group has been able to raise around $US130 million ($134.04 million) from ransom payments alone.

The extent of the Mali Empire's peak

"One people, one goal, one faith"
An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim
(mostly Sunni and Sufi),
approximately 5% are Christian
(about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant)
and the remaining 5% adhere to
indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.

Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians,
most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.

TWITTERING IDIOTS!!!

'China down'
Jon Huntsman said to "take China down"

Jon Huntsman : Take China down.

Huntsman, former US Ambassador to China,
made following comments in candidate debate :
......

So what should we be doing?
We should be reaching out to OUR ALLIES and
CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN CHINA.
They're called the young people.
They're called the internet generation.
There are 500 million internet users in China.
And 80 million bloggers.
And they are bringing about change,
the likes of which is gonna TAKE CHINA DOWN.
While we have an opportunity
to go up and win back
our economic manufacturing muscles.
Huntsman, China
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Paul Twomey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul Twomey 2007

Paul Twomey
was the Chief Executive Officer and President of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) from March 2003 to June 2009.
ICANN is the chief rule-making body
for internet policy worldwide.

Following a private-sector role as
a consultant for McKinsey & Company,
Dr Twomey held executive positions
within the Australian Government's
foreign trade organisation Austrade.

His role there included working on
strategic development and European markets.

He was appointed Chief Executive Officer of the
National Office for the Information Economy
(NOIE) in 1997,
a Commonwealth Government unit
responsible for developing Internet policy.

His involvement with ICANN began at this time.
Subsequently he chaired the ICANN
Government Advisory Committee,^[1]
which served as the organisation's
liaison with world governments.

Following his departure from NOIE,
Dr Twomey created a consultancy
with Ira Magaziner
(Domestic Policy Adviser
to former US President Bill Clinton)
called Argo P@cific.^[2]

He continued to serve on the ICANN GAC until November 2002,
through an ongoing posting as external advisor to
Australia's Commonwealth Government.

Dr Twomey is a member of the
British-North American Committee.

He also serves on the board of directors of the
Atlantic Council of the United States
and chairs the World Economic Forum's
Global Agenda Council on the Future of the Internet.

He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from University of Queensland,
a Master of Arts from Pennsylvania State University
and a PhD from Cambridge University.

On 27 March 2003 he was elected to his current position at ICANN.

On 2 March 2009, during the opening ceremony of
ICANN's 34th international meeting in Mexico City,
Dr Twomey mentioned that he would be leaving ICANN in June
while remaining as Senior President until the end of the year.^[3]

His name has recently been mentioned in relation to
the Commonwealth Government's proposed
National Broadband Network.

true lilly wrote:'Not a matter of if, but when we find you'


HUNDREDS of tax dodgers caught and convicted
as the ATO warns:
"if you do the crime, you will face the consequences".

Vatican checked in laundering probe
From:AFP
November 27, 2011 3:19AM
Vatican probe:
The Vatican has been assessed to determine if it has tightened its regulations
to prevent money laundering.
Picture: Supplied Source: Supplied

COUNCIL of Europe inspectors have visited the Vatican to monitor its plans to tighten money laundering regulations.

The group from the Moneyval committee "met with representatives of
Vatican authorities dealing with the issue of prevention and fight
against money laundering and terrorist financing," a statement from the
Vatican said.

The group, composed of legal, financial and law enforcement experts
from five countries, arrived on Monday and left overnight, the statement said.

They are expected to present a report with their findings at a plenary session
of Moneyval "presumably in the middle of 2012," the Vatican said.

Pope Benedict XVI last December created a new financial authority
following an embarrassing investigation of Vatican bank officials by Italy.

The Vatican also approved a law from April imposing sentences of
up to 12 years in prison for money laundering
and 15 years for terrorist financing.

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• Irish PM blasts Vatican over child abuse The Australian, 21 Jul 2011
  

In September last year,
Italian authorities launched an investigation into
and seized assets linked to
the Institute for Religious Works (IOR) -
the official name of the Vatican bank -
for alleged violation of money-laundering rules.

The Vatican has also been excluded from an international "white list"
of countries compliant with strict financial controls.
The new financial authority is aimed at
bringing the Holy See in line with new global standards.

el kabong wrote:Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland









This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche?

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia.



http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........



Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.




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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?



Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)

Great Post el kabong.

Morocco Islamists win landmark election
by:By Henri Mamarbachi
From:AFP
November 27, 2011
2:42AM

Watch
Morocco Islamists win landmark election

Morocco's moderate Islamists have won the most seats
in a landmark parliamentary election.

MOROCCO'S moderate
Islamists have won the most seats in a landmark
parliamentary election,
the latest religious party to achieve
spectacular gains on the back of
the Arab Spring.

The Justice and Development Party (PJD) captured 80 seats in the
395-seat assembly, nearly double the 45 seats won by Prime Minister
Abbas el Fassi's Indpendence Party, Interior Minister Taib Cherkaoui
told a news conference on Saturday.

The win - the first parliamentary poll victory for the party -
comes just one month after
Islamists won Tunisia's post-revolution election and
days before their predicted surge in Egyptian polls.

According to the new constitution overwhelmingly approved in a July referendum,
King Mohammed VI must now pick the prime minister from the party which won
the most seats in parliament, instead of naming whomever he pleases.

The king, the latest scion of a monarchy that has ruled the country for
350 years, proposed changes to the constitution that curb some of his
near absolute powers as autocratic regimes toppled in nearby Tunisia,
Egypt, and Libya.

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• Tunisia votes in first free election Foundation, 24 Oct 2011
  

Earlier on Saturday top PJD officials said their own figures showed
they had won over 100 seats in Friday's polls, the first since the
approval of the new constitution.

"We thank the Moroccans who voted for the PJD and we can only be satisfied,"
PJD secretary general Abdelilah Benkirane told reporters after the government
confirmed his party had won the most seats in the election.

He acknowledged his party would have to tailor its program to appease prospective
coalition partners and said
the PJD is "open to everyone" when it comes to forming alliances.

"The nub of our program and of those who
will govern with us will have a double axis,
democracy and good governance," he told the France 24 television channel.

"From now on, Moroccans will feel that the state is at their service
and not the other way about," Benkirane added.
"That is very important for us."

The PJD has gradually increased its share of the vote in Morocco,
seen as one of the most stable countries in the region.

After winning just eight seats in 1997, it surged in popularity,
scooping 42 seats in the 2002 election, the first of King Mohammed VI's reign.
It then increased its share in the last election in 2007
when it finished second with 47 seats.

The party focused at first on social issues, such as
opposition to summer music festivals and the sale of alcohol,
but has shifted to issues with broader voter appeal like the
fight against corruption and high unemployment.

During the current campaign it promised to cut poverty in half and raise the
minimum wage by 50 per cent.

Unlike the banned Islamist opposition group Justice and Charity,
the Justice and Development Party pledges its allegiance to the monarchy.

But Benkirane cuts a controversial figure for previously
derogatory comments about Berber people and homosexuals.

In 2010 he tried to ban a concert in Morocco
by the openly gay singer Elton John because of fears of
encouraging homosexuality.

The National Rally of Independents, the second-largest party in the
outgoing five-party government coalition, won 38 seats,
while the Party of Authenticity and Modernity,
founded in 2008 by people close to the king, got 33 seats.

So far only the Independence Party has said
it would be willing to govern with the Justice and Development Party.

The king proposed a new constitution on March 9, just 17 days after
thousands of people took to the streets across Morocco calling on him
to give up some of his powers in the biggest anti-establishment
protests in the country in decades.

Morocco's pro-reform February 20 protest movement, responsible for the protests,
had called on voters to boycott the elections. It says the constitutional reforms are
insufficient.

Voter turnout was 45.4 per cent, up from 37 per cent
from the last parliamentary election in 2007, but lower than the 51.6
per cent turnout recorded in 2002.

"This turnout, if confirmed, does not reflect enthusiasm for
the new constitution or political parties,"
said Haizam Amirah Fernandez, senior analyst for the Arab world
at Spanish think tank Real Instituto Elcano.

In all, 31 parties competed for the 395 seats in the lower house of parliament -
with 60 seats reserved for women
and 30 set aside for candidates under the age of 40.