How Moderation On The David Icke Forum Works...

[Damn'sod..!!!]

By Darketernal...

I am willing to discuss some things, however I am still working around my NDA contract with the DIF until I am certain I will not be sued by David Icke Books Co. The release of the current information would lead to negative publicity, be thrown out in court and possibly launch a criminal investigation against Sean and the company were they take it to court, so that isn’t likely to happen.

Please keep in mind that many of the things you are speaking of I really have no knowledge of. So much happens on a day to day basis on the mod forum, that knowing of events from 2 years ago, especially from an era prior to one becoming a mod are not known to the current mods.

Multiple ID’s: the current batch of mods have been told we do not allow mods or admin to have multiple ID’s on the forum. I’m not certain if this was always a rule, or one enacted after I became a mod in Nov. of 2008. No mod or admin has ever discussed the issue with me, however I would think given that all the mods and admin know how the admin track and find multiple ID’s that if one were highly motivated to have one, they could do so. To this day there has been zero open discussion of multiple ID’s by mods talked of in the mod forum, and no mod has ever admitted to me in private about having one. I’ve only heard of the accusation recently while reading your forum, sodlikeproductions, webanarchy etc, following the recent events.

Banning of Infinite Love: Yes I am aware that Sean has a problem with this forum and with you personally. However I was never given a full explanation, other than you are a trouble maker and people on this forum plotted to interrupt a David Icke speaking engagement in Australia. I never wasted my time censoring links to other web sites unless they were links to pornographic material, etc. As I was never given a satisfactory answer regarding the IL forum, and yes my friend Mountain addressed this for me in a voice chat a long time ago, and I did not have an answer then, I never moderated the issue. Mods are not allowed to set policy on the DIF, only enforce it.

I would suggest that you using other people’s ID’s and them being banned, was because you logged into them on the same computer. ;-)

You are correct, your forum (and several others) is under heavy scrutiny and a few members of the admin and mod team, that predate my arrival, read your forums regularly. In fact people at some of the one’s I have mentioned previously were probably only caught registering new ID’s because they were bragging about it on open forums that are read by members of the team. I’ve personally never read your forum until the last week, however I was aware that Daisy and a couple members of the team felt it was dangerous, but again I was never given a proper explanation.

People being held accountable to new guidelines: ok that one is an interesting point. When moderating, I’ve always held that people could be moderated by any rule that they agreed to by registering at the forum, as there is a link to the forum guidelines available and by clicking that you accept to follow those guidelines, you open yourself up to be moderated or even banned from an internet community if you break them. However if a member joined a forum prior to the enactment of a policy they never agreed to the new policy, so we get into shady ethical areas. Unfortunately changes in policy are not dated, and mods do not set policy. I’ve absolutely no clue how I would be able to go about checking dates vs. registration date of a forum member, especially considering many policies had been changed prior to my accepting the position. However again those things ultimately come down to how Sean wishes to run things. He basically told the mods when we stood up to him, that he would run the forum as he saw fit, and anyone who did not like it was free to leave. Is your beef with being held accountable to a policy you never agreed to legit? Possibly. Is there anything that can be done about it at present? Given what I have seen, highly unlikely.

The ex-mod Strt, has the technical evidence of what Sean did, and he and I remain in contact. I’ll ask him if he would like to share it with you. I’ve distributed my copies of our final dialog with Sean to other mods, who were part of the same NDA contact as I, and once I am certain that I can do so legally, and if Sean has not had any visible oversight by David (who I have a good source of information which says he is now at least looking into it) fairly soon, I will be more than happy to hand over copies to you for distribution.

The issue of previously read PM’s: I am glad you brought this one up. The suspicion has been there a long time that Sean has had the ability to read PM’s. Many of us have been, as a result, very careful to never say anything negative about him via PM, however up till this point this has always been a rumor, not something anyone had any evidence of.

I would love to see your evidence of previously read PM’s, just keep in mind the detection of multiple ID’s is probably not proof. They are uncovered on pretty much a daily basis by the admin team. Most people are not very subtle about covering their tracks with them. Bragging on other forums, using the exact same proxy repeatedly, etc However uncovering multiple ID’s is more of an admin issue than a mod one, so not something I have a great deal of experience with other than as an observer. Moderators are limited to enforcing the guidelines in threads, not banning people, dealing with registration of members etc. We had no more access to those things than the average forum member. Moderation is basically a thankless job there.

Here is how moderation often went for me: someone posts something that needs moderation… someone has posted a legitimate thread on an issue or topic etc. Someone decides that instead of starting their own thread on the topic with a different perspective, that they do not wish the person starting the thread to have their stance, so they go into the thread and attempt to derail it. The person whose thread has been derailed reports it, because their thread has gone off topic. As a mod you have to decide if the thread is being trolled and the person insulted for no reason other than to take the thread off topic or troll or limit the free speech of those on topic in some way. You then take moderator activity. At which point said individual feels that they have been wronged, and have not taken into account 4 other people who were trying to debate the topic without another coming into the thread hurling insults or taking it off track is interfering with their ability to discuss or debate an issue. Said individual then starts a thread talking about the Nazi tactics of said moderator, or sends a PM to his friends who all post in the thread that mod “insert name here” is a Nazi/fascist/shithead at which point you moderate those individuals, because they too are now trolling and hijacking threads and limiting the ability of the original posters to carry on their discussion or debate. You then go on to the next complaint or problem and hope the individuals limit their insults about your previous actions to private messages, and if they spill it into the main forum, you moderate more. If they limit it to private messages, all is well, peace has been maintained on the main forum, and the current threads are no longer being hijacked, so you move on to the next issue.

That really is the day in and day out of the mods on the DIF. Most of the team really did just want to keep the forum running smoothly, tried not to let our personal biases against members get in the way, or cut our own friends too much slack if they started trolling. The greater majority of the posters on the forum actually never had anything of their moderated. It tends to be the same people, and as they are usually upset at a previous moderation action, most of their later infractions tend to be for calling a mod a chump or a shithead in someone else’s thread about vitamin C, or vaccinations or Obama’s birth certificate. When you finally get fed up for the day, you log out and let someone else deal with it, or just ignore the reported posts and surf the forum for your own personal reading.

The sad thing is many of the people who run to the defense of someone who got moderated don’t see the posts that were deleted, or realize that the mod they criticizing just got cussed out by the individual they are defending because we limited their free speech to call another forum member a “n!@#$r” or some other racial slur… and our patience is pretty thin on the matter at that point. They also do not realize that all the mods signed a legal contract agreeing that they would not discuss the specifics of moderation of a forum member, with other members of the forum, prior to being given any mod powers, and we would be kicked off the mod team immediately for our first offense at doing so. Again mods are not given any authority to make policy, only enforce it, either you agree with the policies and stay, or you disagree and leave, or you just treat the one’s you disagree with more lightly, or ignore them until someone else higher up the chain deals with it.

You make very large assumptions concerning the knowledge of previous posters and offenses, and policies by current mods, from before their era, that are simply not true. Just like if Sean stays in control of the forum, the next batch of mods may have no clue who Limelady or Darketernal are (just like I have no idea who Soglad was or that this person was ever a mod) and may not even know about Sean’s reading of private messages or even believe it was anything other than a conspiracy to bring down the forum, because that is what Sean and his remaining cronies will tell them if they bring it up. The way you see the forum run is very much a reflection of the system of control you see in society at large.

http://www.infinite-love-forum.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=11&p=23996

[Damn'sod..!!!]

your forum (and several others) is under heavy scrutiny and a few members of the admin and mod team, that predate my arrival, read your forums regularly.
In fact people at some of the one’s I have mentioned previously were probably only caught registering new ID’s because they were bragging about it on open forums that are read by members of the team.

Sounds A Bit Like Big Brother Snooping Going On Here...!!!



Didn't Ar' Dave Stand Up Against The Tip Toeing Orwellian State In A Recent Bi-Election...???

The UK Conservative Party Home Affairs Spokesman, David Davis, has resigned his parliamentary seat in the constituency of Haltemprice and Howden, which includes Hull in the east to the outskirts of Goole in the west and northwards to Holme-on-Spalding-Moor.

Davis resigned in protest at the fast-emerging Big Brother State (which I have warned was coming for the last nearly 20 years).
The final straw for Davis was the passing recently of a law that allows the authorities to hold 'terrorist suspects' for 42 days without charge.
He resigned and will seek to return to Parliament in this by-election on July 10th on the issue of the Big Brother society.

Britain's other major political parties, the Liberal Democrats and the governing Labour Party of Tony Blair and current Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, have announced that they won't be standing against him.
The Liberals say they are doing this because they support his stand and the Labour Party say they won't put up a candidate because the election is 'a farce'.

For 'a farce' read: 'We know we would get slaughtered because of the massive scale of public opinion against the gathering Big Brother state.'

I am not standing to oppose David Davis as such because I have no wish to be elected to Parliament and get stuck in that irrelevant web of deceit and corruption.
I couldn't take my seat anyway because I would never go through the pathetic ritual of pledging my 'allegiance' to the Queen.

I would be supporting the stand of Davis against the Orwellian State and I would want him to win the seat and let him be a voice against the Big Brother society in Parliament.

There is an enormous amount of what David Davis stands for on other issues that I fundamentally disagree with, but this is a time for all colours, creeds, backgrounds and views to unite on something that affects ALL of us - the tearing down of the most basic freedoms.

And if people think they live in a Big Brother Police State now, they have seen nothing yet.

So why am I standing in the election with Davis?

Because this election, with its mainstream media coverage, can be a platform to gain publicity for the big picture behind the Big Brother State - which I have been highlighting and warning about in my books and public talks for nearly 20 years.

David Davis has seen one level of it and blames the Labour government for destroying civil liberties in Britain. But it is bigger than that, much bigger.
The same is happening in countries worldwide at the same time because it is centrally and globally coordinated, as I have been exposing and detailing for these last two decades.

The UK Labour government is just the vehicle for introducing it in the UK, that's all.

Please contact Justin Walker at Jrgwalker@aol.com if you are prepared to offer physical help.

Yes, of course, the mainstream media will ridicule me, but so what's new?
I am not doing it for them, nor to win a popularity contest, nor even an election.

I am doing it for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see and children and grandchildren to protect from the nightmare world that is unfolding unless we make a stand now.

best wishes,

David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14120/

Yes We Can...!!!(Read Your Private Messages)

[Hagbard Celine]

I first joined the DIF when it first opened and somebody asked me if I wanted to be a Mod. Instinctively I declined. Good job I did! It goes to show we should trust our instincts.

[Hrafn]

[quote="Damn'sod..!!!"]

Sounds A Bit Like Big Brother Snooping Going On Here...!!!

We had daisy moaning almost everyday at Illusions, complaining about something or other... John White also joined in eventually. ... LBC spent most of his time dealing with them on copyright issues..

I must add, anyone remember why the original icke forum, Harris´s (The Forum) was closed down?.........3 guesses!

Heres a clue

[John Drake]

[quote="Hrafn"]

Sounds A Bit Like Big Brother Snooping Going On Here...!!!

We had daisy moaning almost everyday at Illusions, complaining about something or other... John White also joined in eventually. ... LBC spent most of his time dealing with them on copyright issues..

I must add, anyone remember why the original icke forum, Harris´s (The Forum) was closed down?.........3 guesses!

Heres a clue

Bang on. Icke coundnt control it so him and Daisy set it up for a fall only to bring in their own version under compleat Daisy control.

I set up an Icke chat site and many Ickeoids came and joined in. Daisy came and saw what was going on and issued warnings to people if they were seen there again they would be banned from DIF. One of the mods logic bomb at DIF and also Daisy both posted on DIF about my site with lots of lies about myself. They posted about how i supposedly stalk Icke and his family etc. I forced Daisy to remove the allegations with a simple email. Still the damage was done and my site went from having 50 or more online at all times to next to zero. Sure enough not long after Dasiy announced they have a chat site.

We saw the same with illusions and GLP. You can talk about Icke all you like but once you start to criticise they try to get you shut down. Even going as far as trying to use the legal system to do it.

A guy who was a mod for a few hours on the old Icke site set up his own site which in the most was lampooning Icke. Icke did his best for years to get that site shut down. Its still there even though its coughing up blood.

http://members2.boardhost.com/prouty/index.html

If they know about it and its not saying what they want they will go to any lengths to try and shut it down. Question everything and free speech ay Dave lol.

[Ciggy]

The imbroglio over Illusions and copyright issues is proof Icke does check websites frequently. He's be lying if he claims he never checks his own, which means he will claim exactly that. He's allergic to telling the truth.

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