David Icke Forum Insanity

[true lilly]

David Icke Forum Insanity:

There is a whole big mess of
"Today's (Everyday's), NEWS", MISSING,
from the, "TODAY'S NEWS" Section of
David Icke Official Forums,
but an awful lot of 'Olds'
(that never were 'news'),
being churned over and over again.

Why don't the David Icke Mods
(who also read here),
ban those blatant Rule Breakers?

Oh, because Team Tintin
(the worst of them), is 'David Icke'?

[MoMo]

yeah, well, be that as it may............look at the shit you spam, that isn't newz either.....what has connecting million of dots done for you?

You're as miserable and frustrated as ever?

Anyhoo, since the DIFtards probably do monitor you for comedic relief...........let me Post my lucid and incisive insights here so that they may clue davey up.

Seems his chickens have come home to roost, he may loose his priveleges in the USA, and thhe 'funny' thing is I warned them several months ago.

Remember lilly will, if the slipper fits you're cinderella, and in this case, davey is an antisemite.

Yoo Hoo DIFtardia mods, heres a clue!!

Conundrum at DIFtardia:

If anyone needed proof that your basic DIFtard isn't too bright, here it is:

Posted by Yamayama: ADL seeking to make Icke a racist and "terrorist"

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060060125


I have heard through my contacts ( ) that the american ADL is going to attempt to get David Icke placed on a no fly list into America.

They are trying to lobby senate and congress to have Icke labeled has a anti semite and placed on a no fly list along side terrorists.


Also i have been getting some 4Chan buddies to chech IP addresses from posters who have started threads on here on topics trying to link Icke to anti jewish issues or topics that try to push Icke has "anti semite". The feed back i got is that a lot of the posters doing this are either Israeli or American in origin.

There is about 20 (max) fake miltel/ADL posters on here with multiple fake id's who are rotating the same type of stuff week on week. 4Chan types are working to shut down their access has we speak.

They are surprised that the ADL and others consider Mr. Icke an Antisemite/Judeophobe.

If anyone here is Posting there, feel free to clue them up.

The Thread is many pages long and not one of the DIFtards seem to realise it is because of what Mr. Icke himself has written and published that has merited the 'Brand' of an Antisemite/Judeophobe.

Example 'A'

By David Icke:
The Illuminati and 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion'

Sunday, 18 October 2009 08:00
http://www.davidicke.com/articles/illuminati-mainmenu-57/27622-the-illuminati-and-the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion


'In the next few essays, I am going to focus my efforts on "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." I will treat this as an influential historical document that lays out the program of the Illuminati. As I have stated previously, I believe the Satanic Conspiracy involves 1% of the world's population.

There are Catholic, Mormon, Hindu, Moslem conspirators. There are also Jewish conspirators. Whether this document was written by the Jewish members of the Conspiracy or to "frame" the Jews, makes no difference in this discussion.'


what a shitbag.


Example 'B' Regurgitating the lies about the Talmud.

By David Icke
Talmud ( The Original Bible )
http://www.newsnfo.co.uk/pages/david%20lcke%20talmud.htm

what a lying shitbag.


The Truth:

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud

Talmud: Statement of Purpose
There are many lies circulating the internet about the Jewish Talmud. These allegations are supported by "direct quotations" from the Talmud that are frequently wrong or taken out of context. However, most people lack the scholarly background to verify these claims. Most people have no way of knowing that these accusation are false and malicious. What we are attempting is to demonstrate in detail how these accusations are both wrong and intentionally misleading. We are trying to show to the world the real truth about the Talmud.


Written by Gil Student

Recommended book:
The Complete Idiot's Guide to
Understanding the Talmud

"Our philosophy asserts that every human being is created in the image of the Lord and the primacy of integrity and honesty in all dealings without exception. I strongly repudiate any assertions in the name of Judaism that do not represent and reflect this philosophy."

- Rabbi Malkiel Kotler, dean of the world-renowned Lakewood Yeshiva, Dec. 16, 2003

Lecture #53b: Part 2 Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Psychological Background
http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm


If anti-Semitism were only an individual psychological phenomenon, it would be similar to other forms of discrimination and hostility; however, in the modern world anti-Semitism takes on a different hue. Various groups have used it for political purposes. We can trace clear attempts to use psychological hostility – which, it seems, has deep religious roots – to forward political aims. Thus, modern anti-Semitism was born, and acquired a more and more tragic and satanic form. The widespread use of this technique began in Czarist Russia, in the struggle to smother those revolutionary attempts that finally toppled the Czarist rule. Through the Czarist secret police, the rulers attempted to identify revolutionary action with the activities of the Jews. The rulers of Czarist Russia fought against certain phenomena, and in this fight they created a kind of equation, which was supposed to prove their claims. The Czarist secret police created one of the documents that became an anti-Semitic classic, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This book reveals the so-called secret plan weaved by the leaders of the Jews, to take over the entire world. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" became a holy book among the anti-Semites.

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was simply a rewriting of a French book that attributed ambitions to take over the world to Napoleon. This booklet is called "a dialogue in hell between Machiavelli and Montasque," or "Politics of the Nineteenth Century." These accusations were not at all directed towards the Jews and Judaism. However, the dialogue was adopted and transformed into the protocols of an imaginary group whose members were the world leaders of Judaism, attempting to take over the politics of various European countries.

Even the Czar himself, Nikolai the Second, although far from bearing the Jews any fond feelings, saw that the book was a fake and opposed its publication. Despite this, the first Russian edition appeared in 1905. A number of years later, other editions began to appear. Some of the editions were altered and corrected in order to make it possible to accuse the Jews of various catastrophes that took place between one edition and another. At various opportunities, it became the topic of public court cases, in which the book was proved to be a forgery. However, this of course did not check the book's growing popularity, particularly in the wake of the Nazi influence. The book influenced various writers, who were mistakenly taken in and convinced of its authenticity. Thus, for example, Henry Ford was inspired by "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to write "The International Jew," in which he continues these accusations. Various other books were written in its wake until recent years.

This is an example of a lie and forgery that the power of truth could not effectually surmount. This abominable book became a justification of Nazism and the genocide that followed in its wake. This is an example of the phenomena that we must deal with. Forgeries spread throughout the world, and people are convinced.

That is why Mr. Icke has earned the moniker of Antisemite/Judeophobe......anybody want to clue the DIFtards up?

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-icke-is-neo-nazi.html

whaddayathinkaboutthatlillywilly?

[true lilly]

I think, this warning should go up here
before I add to this thread,
least those who bother to check for themselves
(that I don't have to lie about how DANGEROUS
Team Tintin/David Icke Followers are),
get sucked in by 'their' HYPNOTIC 'CHATTER':

AIR 'born' Cancers and Things...
Billy Ruben

True Lilly...I want an apology
by Billy Ruben

But, 'You' Mob WANT!!! Everything,
that is NOT 'yours' to DEMAND or TAKE

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 3
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t988p990-david-icke-site-betrays-australia-2

Searched:
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t988p990-david-icke-site-betrays-australia-2

"The topic or post you requested does not exist"...because,
the last PAGES of the second thread, were CHOCK FULL
of 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy'
Billy Ruben

'discussing' the 'lighter, 'kinder' side' of
CHILD & INCESTUOUS SEX!




Sweet success:
Cadel Evans holds his bike aloft
after winning Le Tour Photo: AP

“Cadel’s victory symbolises the globalisation of cycling,”
he said.
“He’s the first Australian winner,
the first winner from the southern hemisphere,
and
he’s someone who started off as a mountain biker.
It shows the diversity of our sport.”

Evans is a popular champion who,
at the age of 34, is the third oldest winner
of the Tour.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/8658466/Tour-de-France-2011-Cadel-Evans-spreads-yellow-fever-Down-Under-thanks-to-his-historic-Tour-triumph.html


O
O
O ...an 'Amber Alert'?
and,
...2 2....3 3... ...

...is that why,
Team Tintin FLOOD OVER Posts of "TODAY'S NEWS"
and wait until The NEWS becomes OLD enough to
twist, ram and jam 'their' SELECTED Letters & Numbers in,
to 'present' 'themselves' as 'the winners' AGAINST GOD and
HIS FAITHFUL... ...and AGAIN, this NEWS IS FULL of
Team Tintin's FAVOURITE CODE KEYS...but it does NOT SERVE
TINTIN'S SECRET AGENDA to cover This,
GLOBAL HISTORY MAKING NEWS, as with so many other,
GLOBAL 'Events' like THE BOMBING of CYPRUS, Followed By
TWO DUTCH RADIO TOWERS "catching fire & falling down"

Superstar 'couldn't be happier'



Andrew Webster
CADEL Evans,
Australia's first Tour de France winner,
has told of his
emotional 20-year journey
to the pinnacle of world cycling.

• Pictures:
  Cadel soaks up the final stage
  
• Latest updates:
  Evans in Tour de France glory
  
• Marketing dream:
  It's time for the big bucks
  
• Celebration: Cadel's wife wants national holiday
  
• Evans' glory: Victorians urged to wear yellow today

...and speaking of,
Team Tintin's NEED to post "THE OLD'S" in "TODAY'S NEWS"
(well 'they' can't get banned; The Rule of these sites IS,
to COMMUNICATE WITH FELLOW TRAITOROUS AGENTS),
look how much trouble 'they' went to, to excuse posting this,
"TRIPLE BLOODY CROSS-HAIRS" Logo, AND the VERY OLD
'news' INTENDED TO GO WITH IT:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060067029#post1060067029

Oh, and watch out when 'they' call up,
new and not regular 'names' to feed CODE
through 'their' KEY TERRORIST thread
at Key Terrorist Forums, like "tintin's" on David Icke's...

...and psst, 'they' don't want you to look into,
ringy's Profile... ...

ringy
25-07-2011, 04:52 AM #29739

ringy
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Originally Posted by tintin KIRK DOUGLAS was married to DIANA DILL. (DD = 44) ABB was born on day 44. Zurich company

Hi tintin,

Did you see the Donald Rumsfeld link on wiki?

ABB and North Korea

Rumsfeld sat on ABB's board from 1990 to 2001. ABB—based in Zürich,
Switzerland—is a European engineering giant formed through the merger
between ASEA of Sweden and Brown Boveri of Switzerland. In 2000 this
company sold two light-water nuclear reactors to KEDO for installation
in North Korea, as part of the 1994 agreed framework reached under
President Bill Clinton.

The sale of the nuclear technology was a high-profile contract. ABB's
then chief executive, Göran Lindahl, visited North Korea in November
1999 to announce ABB's "wide-ranging, long-term cooperation agreement"
with the communist government. Rumsfeld's office said that the Secretary
of Defense did not "recall it being brought before the board at any
time." But ABB spokesman Björn Edlund told Fortune that "board members
were informed about this project."

And this from http://www.abb.com/cawp/seitp202/c12...8002a7cb5.aspx

ABB announces proposed Board, share split

Proposals to be made to March 20 annual general meeting of shareholders
Zurich, Switzerland, February 19, 2001 – ABB today said the Board of
Directors will propose changes in its membership at the annual general
meeting of shareholders on March 20, as well as a share split to improve
the liquidity of ABB’s shares.

The company said that Donald Rumsfeld has resigned his membership on the
Board as a result of his recent appointment as U.S. Secretary of
Defense. In addition, Göran Lindahl and Peter Sutherland have both
decided not to stand for re-election.

...I've left it, as copied; 'READ' CAREFULLY! ...

...well, I had, until 'they' HACKED IT ILLEGIBLE

[MoMo]

[MoMo]

Europe is larger then Australia, got more of everything.

Asia (plus the Middle East) 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) 30.0%
Africa 11,608,000 Sq. Miles (30,065,000 Sq. Km) 20.3%
North America 9,365,000 Sq. Miles (24,256,000 Sq. Km) 16.3%
South America 6,880,000 Sq. Miles (17,819,000 Sq. Km) 12.0%
Antarctica 5,100,000 Sq. Miles (13,209,000 Sq. Km) 8.9%
Europe 3,837,000 Sq. Miles (9,938,000 Sq. Km) 6.7%
Australia (plus Oceania) 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) 5.2%

Australia is the Runt Continent, the smallest.


lillywilly......

did you know Europe includes Russia east to the Ural mountains?

try to overlay that on your map of Australia, the Runt Continent, and the entirety of Australia would be obscured.



Notice: North America is 3 times larger then Australia, it's like you have penis envy lillywilly.

lilly, are you capable of understanding the term: RUNT CONTINENT as it pertains to Australia? It means its the SMALLEST Continent..........

Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit.


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure.

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake.


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?
..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it.




Bullshit can't handle pressure.it is like a bluff in a Poker Game............if I am holding an excellent hand I'll see all your bets/raises and then 'call you'.

When you produce your shit hand and I lay down my Royal Flush I'll collect the Ducats. nuthin' personal.

There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







Cheers Matey.



http://www.scottberkun.com/essays/53-how-to-detect-bullshit/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY[/quote]

why don't you explain how the following is 'Elitist' you antisemitic NAZI bitch.

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah/God

The Human..........

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.


The promise to Abraham was that his 'seed' will measure like the sand on a beach or stars in the sky, that's alot.

Ultimately, according to Yahwehs Plan, Humankind will Colonize the Universe as loving, caring Beings. Our Echelon will rise: Right now we are below the Malakim/Angels, when Yahwehs Plan comes to full fuition we shall rule over the Malakim/Angels.

The Earth is Humankinds beginning.

The Tikun Olam

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over allits enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of lifes capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Xns.

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is Yahweh-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* Yahweh, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: Yahweh.

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of Yah'

* This emergence of "The Image of Yah" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Xns.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of Yahs' Consciousness is so much like Yahwehs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, The Human 'Image of Yah' has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* Yahweh has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of Yah', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that Yahwehs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Xns alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of Yahweh' brings with it more Yahweh like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of Yahweh'; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rightts, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh, when we achieve this Level we will be allowed access to the rest of the Universe.
Our level of development currently would only bring grief to the other inhabitants of other worlds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

[true lilly]

So much insanity at DIF now, I don't which to pick.

But I did notice something VERY TELLING...

29-10-2009, 02:15 AM #452

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Originally Posted by vera susa There seems to be a strong tie between quite a few Chinese characters and the Bible teaching, without which it's simply difficult to explain the component parts that make up the characters. Some of these words are listed in the following together with illustration of their ties with the Bible. Creation is comprised of the following components dust (breath of) life (from God's) mouth motion = Creation Without reading the verse from Genesis 2:7, it's difficult to understand how Can Ji could come up with this character. Genesis 2:7 - The Lord formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living being. Forbidden is comprised of the following components tree (of knowledge) tree (of life) command (from God) = Forbidden Again, the components of the word become meaningful after reading the following verses. Genesis 2:16,17 - And the Lord commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will certainly die". Genesis 3:24- After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden Cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. And indeed, through the sins of one man (Adam) we are separated from God; and only by accepting Jesus (flaming sword), can we return to him. Ship is comprised of the following components boat eight mouth (family member) = Ship The origin of this word becomes more meaningful after reading the following verse. Genesis 7:7 - And Noah and his sons [Ham, Shem, and Japheth] and his wife and his sons' wives with him, went into the ark, to escape the waters of the flood. The word 'mouth' is often used to describe number of family members. For example, the phrase 'One family of four mouths' means a family with four members. Four couples in Noah's family have a total of eight members. Righteousness is to raise a lamb above us Lamb (above) me = Righteousness In the Old Testament people sacrifice lambs for their sins. In the New Testament, Jesus died for our sins on the STAKE to give us salvation, for God is just and loving. The only way to salvation is to accept Jesus who paid for our sins. LOTS MORE examples in the following links, but AGAIN, this INSANE TIE to a SHORT, Earth History Time Line, BECAUSE, "They" are working The DECEPTION to INSTALL "Their" FALSE 'saviour': http://www.cogwriter.com/news/old-te...early-genesis/ Sorry, seems "David Icke" does NOT WANT this read, so best just copy the address into the address bar. >http://www.wbschool.org/Chinese.swf< Whereas this is still the ONLY PLACE that "corrects" those "Falling away, Back to Beggarly Ways" and looks at what HAS DECEIVED ALL BUT THE VERY ELECT.

Classic example of cultural assimilation, it doesn't exactly prove that the Old testament or God's word is any more "real". It's not entirely farfetched because "Jews
and Judaism in China have had a long history. Jewish settlers are
documented in China as early as the 7th or 8th century CE, but may have
arrived during the mid Han Dynasty, or even as early as 231 BCE[1].
Relatively isolated communities developed through the Tang and Song
Dynasties (7-12th cent. CE) all the way through the Qing Dynasty (19th
cent.), most notably in the Kaifeng Jews (the term "Chinese Jews" is
often used in a restricted sense to refer to these communities). "

"It has been asserted by some that the Jews who have historically
resided in various places in China originated with the Lost Ten Tribes
of the exiled ancient Kingdom of Israel who relocated to the areas of
present-day China. Traces of some ancient Jewish rituals have been observed in some places.

One well-known group was the Kaifeng Jews, who are purported to have
traveled from Persia to India during the mid-Han Dynasty and later
migrated from the Muslim-inhabited regions of northwestern China (modern
day Gansu province) to Henan province during the early Northern Song
Dynasty (960-1127).[8]"


"In The Kaifeng Stone Inscriptions: The Legacy of the Jewish Community
in Ancient China, Tiberiu Weisz, a teacher of Hebrew history and Chinese
religion, presents his own translations of the 1489, 1512, and 1663
stone stelae left by the descendants of the Kaifeng Jews. Based on the
new info gleamed from this translation, Weisz theorizes after the
Babylonian exile of the sixth century BCE, disenchanted Levites and
Kohanim parted with the Prophet Ezra and settled in Northwestern India.
Sometime prior to 108 BCE, these Jews had migrated to Gansu province,
China and were spotted by the Chinese general Li Guang, who was sent to
expand the borders of Han Dynasty China. Centuries later, the Jews were expelled from China proper during the Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution (845-46), where they lived in the region of Ningxia. Weisz believes they
later returned to China during the Song Dynasty when its second
emperor, Song Taizong, sent out a decree seeking the wisdom of foreign
scholars.[7] "
"The inscription states that the Jews came to China from India during
the Han Dynasty period (2nd century BCE-2nd century CE). It cites the
names of 70 Jews with Chinese surnames, describes their audience with an
unnamed Song Dynasty emperor, and lists the transmission of their
religion from Abraham down to the prophet Ezra. The second tablet,
dating from 1512 (found in the synagogue Xuanzhang Daojing Si) details
their Jewish religious practices. The third, dated 1663, commemorates
the rebuilding of the Qingzhen si synagogue and repeats information that
appears in the other two steles.[7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._Jews_in_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews

Just a thought.

NO, a red herring, INTENDED to discourage readers
going to the link that DIF would NOT ALLOW me
to post THE CONTENT OF, such as THIS KEY POINT:

Chinese characters apparently predate Moses:

…the ancient Chinese people were quite familiar with the
same record which the Hebrew Moses is popularly given credit for
writing some 700 to 1,000 years later. Imagine this information
being stored in special characters that were in use hundreds of years
before the first page of the Bible was written! (Kang C.H.,
Nelson E.R. The Discovery of Genesis: How the Truths of Genesis Were
Found Hidden in the Chinese Language. Concordia Publishing House, St.
Louis, 1979, p. 5)

Notice that
the development of Chinese characters
predates the writing of the Book of Genesis.

Thus, the Chinese characters seem to provide
an ‘independent’ account that verifies
portions of the accounts in Genesis.

http://www.cogwriter.com/news/old-te...early-genesis/

http://www.wbschool.org/Chinese.swf

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Chinese Characters and Early Genesis

COGwriter

Is there any evidence that Chinese people ever knew about the early
accounts in the Book of Genesis, such as a devil in the Garden of Eden,
the great flood, or the Tower of Babel?

Yes, as some evidence seems to exist in early Chinese writings.

Notice for example that an ancient Chinese character for Devil indicates a knowledge of the account in Genesis:

Devil	= Secret	Person	Garden

Sadly, Eve seemed to believe the devil as she desired to benefit from the fruit of the tree that was prohibited:

So when the woman saw that
the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree
desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate (Genesis
3:6).

God decided
later to prohibit the second tree lest Eve and others desired it so much
that they would go for it as well (see Genesis 3:22-24).

Notice the symbol for the Chinese word lán for desire or greed is a combination of the symbols for woman and two trees:

Desire, Greed	= Woman	Trees

After succumbing to temptation, humans noticed that they were naked:

Then
the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were
naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
(Genesis 3:7).

Notice that the Chinese symbol for being
naked has to do with clothing, one tree (the one that Adam and Eve were
originally told not to eat from perhaps), and a garden with four
irrigation canals:

Naked	= Clothing	Tree	Garden

After Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden they had children. On of their sons was Abel, who raised and sacrificed sheep:

Now Abel was a
keeper of sheep…Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of
their fat. And the LORD respected Abel and his offering (Genesis 4:2,4).

Notice what a Chinese character meaning righteous is made of:

Righteous(ness)	= Sheep	Hand	Lance

Interestingly, the New Testament account of Abel refers to:

…the blood of righteous Abel (Matthew 23:35).

Notice how the Chinese symbol agrees with the New
Testament account that essentially the sacrifice of sheep (by Abel, for
example) was righteous.

Since Christ was our Passover lamb sacrificed us, and
that through Him we attain righteousness at least one has speculated
that perhaps that is why the following symbol for righteousness was
somehow chosen (since the combination of the symbol for hand and lance can mean us):

Righteous(ness)	= Sheep	I, Us

And while it is NOT likely
that this was determined by the Chinese after Jesus’ crucifixion, it is
a fact that Abel and Noah, who the Bible calls righteous, sacrificed
clean animals such as sheep.

Many know that Chinese
history contains an account of some type of worldwide flood. And there
may be a couple of aspects of it preserved in its characters.

Notice a couple of statements in the Bible concerning the flood:

Then the LORD said to Noah,
“Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that
you are righteous before Me in this generation. (Genesis 7:1).

…in the days of Noah, while
the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were
saved through water (1 Peter 3:20).

A Chinese word chuán for a type of boat is:

Boat	= 8	Mouth	Little Boat, Vessel

It may be of interest to note that one of the Chinese symbols for flood (chong)
is a combination of an inverted symbol meaning “first Earthly branch”
and eight (the term for eight may instead mean “person remaining”"–that
of itself is interesting as that the symbol for eight and “person
remaining” look about the same–recall that on the ark there were only
eight persons remaining alive).

After the flood, humans stayed together and built a tower:

Now the whole earth had one language and
one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that
they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. Then
they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them
thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar.
And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose
top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be
scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.” (Genesis 11:1-4).

But God did not care for this:

But the LORD came down to see the city
and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the LORD said,
“Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is
what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be
withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their
language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” (Genesis
11:5-7).

It is highly likely that when people saw
others speaking foreign languages, that they thought that somehow
something at this tower affected their mouths. Notice the following
Chinese symbol of a tower.

Tower	= Grass	Clay	Mankind	1	Mouth

The tower of Babel was built with bricks
(grass and clay) and humans originally had one language (or mouth). It
is possible that this symbol is showing that the ancient Chinese
recognized a connection to the biblical tower of Babel.

The Bible shows that after God confused the languages in Babel that He scattered humans all over:

So the LORD scattered them abroad from
there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the LORD confused the
language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them
abroad over the face of all the earth (Genesis 11:8-9).

The Bible also mentions:

To Eber were born two sons: the name of
one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s
name was Joktan (Genesis 10:25).

Now whether it was just
the scattering of humans that occurred in Peleg’s time, or that the
earth had continental divisions at that time is not completely clear.
What is clear, however, is that humans did separate essentially by
language and ethnicity thousands of years ago.

Chinese characters apparently predate Moses:

…the ancient Chinese people were quite familiar with the
same record which the Hebrew Moses is popularly given credit for
writing some 700 to 1,000 years later. Imagine this information
being stored in special characters that were in use hundreds of years
before the first page of the Bible was written! (Kang C.H.,
Nelson E.R. The Discovery of Genesis: How the Truths of Genesis Were
Found Hidden in the Chinese Language. Concordia Publishing House, St.
Louis, 1979, p. 5)

Notice that the development of Chinese
characters predates the writing of the Book of Genesis. Thus, the
Chinese characters seem to provide an ‘independent’ account that
verifies portions of the accounts in Genesis.

Continuing, the authors of the previous citation go so far as to state:

Moreover we believe that the Chinese actually employed
this historical knowledge as one small facet in the process of building
their written language. The significance of this claim is broad. But
most important, it appears to us to give support and added acceptance of
the much slandered account of Biblical Genesis (Ibid).

Thus, the existence of these Chinese
characters should be a comfort to the Chinese that their ancestors did
have some type of biblical witness. These characters should also help
modern believers understand that even in a land as removed as it is from
the Middle East, the Chinese did know about various portions of the
Genesis account. And since their characters were developed prior to
Moses writing Genesis, their very existence provides additional
verification that the events were known for many thousands of years.

The above information and more is included in the article China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 1: Genesis and Chinese Characters .

Other articles of possibly related interest may include:

China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 2: The Sabbath and Some of God’s Witness in China When did Christianity first come to China? And is there early evidence that they observed the seventh day sabbath?
China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 3: China in Prophecy What is Ahead for China? What will happen to nearly all the Chinese?

[MoMo]

Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit.


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure.

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake.


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?
..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it.




Bullshit can't handle pressure.it is like a bluff in a Poker Game............if I am holding an excellent hand I'll see all your bets/raises and then 'call you'.

When you produce your shit hand and I lay down my Royal Flush I'll collect the Ducats. nuthin' personal.

There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







Cheers Matey.



http://www.scottberkun.com/essays/53-how-to-detect-bullshit/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

lissen up you ignorant bitch, your Avatar is a deception-you only placed a partial map of europe over the map of Australia.

TORAH FOR ALL ISRAELITE NATIONSBy Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/26.php

THE PROMISE TO END SLAVERY

In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

INITIAL OFFER

Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.........................

Everything you need to remediate your ignorance concerning the Lost Tribes.

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/

From FULL RESTORATION OF ALL ISRAEL series
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home

Full Restoration Of Israel!
Part I of a Series

The

In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting...................

lilly, your bullshit is played out, you are the elitist, deceiver......do a reality check. Spam this thread again and I'll bury your Threads in Spam.........asshole

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...............................lilly, you are promoting one of the sickest, must deranged and repugnant doctrines.

Church Replacement Theology...........you call it 'Spiritual Israel'. That is a lie, deceit, fraud.

'Spiritual Israel' is any Gentile who accepts and agrees that YHWH has Blessed Abraham and his progeny with an Eternal Covenant blessing them and the ownership of Canaan/Israel for eternity.

Definition

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.

Theological Basis

Replacement Theology is closely associated with Reformed (or Covenant) Theology, the brand of theology historically linked to John Calvin (1509-1564) and the Protestant Reformation. Reformed/Covenant Theology, in turn, is closely associated with amillennialism, an eschatological view with a spiritualized (rather than literal-historical) interpretation of the prophetic Scriptures. The natural affinity these views (that is, Replacement Theology and amillennialism) seem to have for each other is understandable because Replacement Theology relies so heavily on a non-literal and allegorical interpretation of the biblical promises to Israel.

Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans - including even Calvin himself - wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God and experiencing a national regeneration, that is an increasingly marginalized, minority view in Reformed Christianity today (which is ironic, since we have seen the amazing rebirth of the nation of Israel, just as the Word of God predicted!). And even among those who allow for an end-time work of the Spirit of God among the Jewish people, there is still a reluctance to acknowledge that God is not finished with His people Israel as a nation, or to acknowledge the prospect of a future Kingdom on the Earth.

This view stands in contrast to the teachings of Dispensational Premillennialism, which affirms the continuing role that Israel plays (in tandem with the Church) in the outworking of God’s plan of redemption.

Historical Roots

Elements of Replacement Theology can be traced as far back as Marcion (A.D. 160), who carried on a theological crusade to purge the Church of what he perceived to be dangerous Jewish errors and influences. Later, many of these same anti-Judaic sentiments found their way into the thinking (and writings) of the Early Church fathers. Irenaeus (c. 180), for instance, wrote, “The Jews have rejected the Son of God and cast Him out of the vineyard when they slew Him. Therefore, God has justly rejected them and has given to the Gentiles outside the vineyard the fruits of its cultivation” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, [1885-1887], Volume 1, p. 493).

Over time, statements like these became the basis for full-blown anti-Semitism in some sectors of Christianity. Anything Jewish was renounced as an attempt to subvert and “Judaize” the Church. Teachings like chiliasm (millenarianism), for instance, were denounced as “Jewish fables.” The Early Church, which was clearly and undeniably Jewish, was described as “primitive,” unenlightened, and beset by erroneous notions that were carry-overs from ancient Judaism.

By the seventh century, Jewish people who came to faith in the Messiah were required to denounce their Jewish ancestry and heritage before they could be baptized. Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University cites the following Visigoth profession from c. A.D. 680-687: “I do here and now renounce every rite and observance of the Jewish religion, detesting all its most solemn ceremonies and tenets that in former days I kept and held. In future I will practice no rite or celebration connected with it, nor any custom of my past error, promising neither to seek it out or perform it. In the name of this Creed, which I truly believe and hold with all my heart, I promise that I will never return to the vomit of Jewish superstition. Never again will I fulfill any of the offices of Jewish ceremonies to which I was addicted, nor ever more hold them dear. I altogether deny and reject the errors of the Jewish religion, casting forth whatever conflicts with the Christian Faith, and affirming that my belief in the Holy Trinity is strong enough to make me live the truly Christian life, shun all intercourse with other Jews and have the circle of my friends only among honest Christians. With them or apart from them I must always eat Christian food, and as a genuinely devout Christian go often and reverently to Church. I promise also to maintain and embrace with due love and reverence the observance of all the Lord’s days or feasts for martyrs as declared by the piety of the Church, and upon those days to consort always with sincere Christians, as it behooves a pious and sincere Christian to do. Herewith is my profession of faith and belief as given by me on this date …” (“Professions of Faith Extracted from Jews on Baptism,’ from the Internet Medieval Sourcebook compiled by Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University [www.fordham.edu/halsall/sources/jewish-oaths.html]).

The incredible irony here is that only a few centuries earlier, the Church had been almost exclusively Jewish! The Messiah was Jewish; the writers of the Bible were Jewish; the apostles were Jewish; the earliest Christians were Jewish; the first congregation was Jewish (located in Jerusalem); and the first missionaries were Jewish!

In fact, a council of Church leaders - including Paul, Barnabas, Peter and James - was convened at Jerusalem (Acts 15) so the leaders of the new and growing Messianic Movement (known first as “the sect of the Nazarenes,” Acts 24:5) could decide upon what conditions non-Jews would be admitted into the fellowship of the saints! But here, within just a few generations, the shoe was already on the other foot! Non-Jews were in control of the Church now. Jewish doctrines (the earthly Kingdom in particular) were considered erroneous and even seditious. And non-Jewish Church leaders were laying down the terms for Jewish believers in Jesus who wished to be baptized.

Exegetical Problems with Supersessionism

Did the sins of the Jewish nation result in her rejection? Paul’s answer is found in Romans 11: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people whom He foreknew (vv. 1-2, NKJV). I say then, have they [Israel] stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! (vv. 11-12, NKJV). For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (v. 15, NKJV).

If the Jewish nation has no future in God’s plan, as the supersessionists claim, then what is the future “fullness” of Israel that Paul mentions in verse 12? And when, exactly, will the nation be resurrected (“life from the dead”) and “accepted” by God (verse 15)? Paul can’t be talking about the Church in this passage because the Church has never died - and never will (John 11:26). The only reasonable answer is that Paul is referring to a yet-future resurrection and restoration of Am Israel (the “people of Israel,” a collective term for the nation), as prophesied in passages like Ezekiel 37:1-14. It doesn’t mean they will automatically be saved simply because they are Jewish; rather, it means that the majority of Jewish people who are living at that time will recognize Yeshua of Nazareth as their Messiah and receive Him as Savior (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26).

They will be saved in the same way believers from all ages and generations have been saved; that is, they will be saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-10). The problem with saying that God rejected His people Israel is that the term “rejection” implies permanence and finality. Paul’s forceful statements in Romans 11 probably indicate that people were claiming, even in his day, that God had “cast away” His people Israel (v. 1). They were saying that Israel had “stumbled’ and “fallen” from her former position (vv. 11-12). Paul rejected any such notion (“Certainly not!” in verses 1 and 11). Then he goes on to say that even if we insist on saying that they were rejected, then we are forced to the conclusion that the rejection is only temporary. Even if we insist on saying that they did stumble and fall, then it must also be said that their fall brought salvation to the rest of the world (Gentiles) - and Israel’s fall, too, is only temporary because they are destined to be restored one day to a position of “fullness” (v. 12).

The “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom. 11:25) refers to the time when the full number of non-Jewish believers has been added to the ranks of the Church and the last person has been saved. Likewise, the “fullness” of the Jewish people (v. 12) refers to the time when “all Israel shall be saved” (v. 26). As we saw earlier, that means the Jewish people en masse will recognize and receive their Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth. There may be some dissenters - and their probably will be - but the Holy Spirit of God will do a powerful work among the Jewish people, and multitudes of them - the vast majority of them - will come to faith in the Messiah of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth.

The truth is that God is no more finished with Israel than He is finished with the Gentiles. Neither one has been replaced by the other; and God’s plan for both remains intact, in spite of their failures. This is really the crux of the issue. Replacement Theology says that Israel was rejected by God and that the rejection was permanent and irrevocable; however, we say that God’s calling on Israel was permanent and irrevocable, in spite of her many sins and shortcomings (Romans 11:29)

What Did the Apostles Believe About the Millennium?

Another problem for supersessionism and amillennialism is that these views are not in harmony with the teachings of the Apostles and the Early Church. Almost without exception, Church historians agree that chiliasm, an early form of premillennialism, was the position of the Early (Jewish) Church. In his classic, encyclopedic History of the Christian Church, Philip Schaff wrote, “The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene Age [A.D. 100-325] is the prominent chiliasm, or millenarianism, … a widely current opinion of distinguished teachers, such as Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, and Lactantius …” (Scribner, 1884; Vol. 2, p. 614).

What’s interesting about this admission is that it comes from someone who was neither evangelical nor premillennial. Schaff, in fact, was himself an ardent supersessionist! He wrote, “The carnal Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament is a diabolical perversion. The Christians, and not the Jews, are the true Israel of God and the righteous owners of the Old Testament Scriptures” (Ibid., Sec. 167, “Barnabas”). Yet as a student of history and as a scholar, he had to acknowledge that chiliasm was “prominent” in the Early Church, even though he himself despised it.

It should be noted that Papias (who believed in a future, earthly Kingdom) was a disciple of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of the Apostle John who actually penned the passages in the Book of Revelation about the Millennial Kingdom. Premillennialism, then, may be the only eschatological system with an unbroken link directly to the author of the Apocalypse. This means that amillennialism represents a departure from what the Early Church believed. Augustine (354-430), author of City of God, a 22-volume defense of his theological views, proposed ideas similar to what we know as amillennialism (Books 15 to 19). However, even Augustine started out as a premillennialist! It wasn’t until later in his life that he decided that the prophecies about (and promises to) Israel should be interpreted symbolically and applied to the Church, rather than being interpreted literally and applied to Israel.

The Sticking Point: Messiah’s Millennial Monarchy

Evangelicals have been busy for years trying to hammer out an understanding between premillennial dispensationalists and adherents of Reformed/Covenant Theology. Dispensationalists who have been actively pursuing this agenda (and making concessions to the opposing view) are known as “progressive dispensationalists.” The one point, however, that continues to be a fly in the ointment of reconciliation is the Millennial Kingdom. Even Covenant theologians who allow for an end-time mass conversion of the Jewish people still have difficulty accepting Israel’s role in a future, literal Kingdom on the Earth. This shows just how diverse amillennialism and premillennialism are and how difficult it is to bridge the gap between them without seriously compromising one or the other.

Why Is This Error Dangerous?

Is Replacement Theology really worth arguing about? Or is this discussion much ado about nothing? One reason it’s important to call attention to questionable theology, no matter how deeply entrenched it may be in traditional Christianity is that sooner or later, bad theology always leads to bad practice - and in this case, it already has! Replacement Theology has provided the basis for all sorts of mischief, persecution, and atrocities against the Jewish people throughout Christian history.

For example, Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, was a supersessionist. Near the end of his life, he said that synagogues and Jewish schools should be burned to the ground, Jewish people run out of their homes, their prayer books and Talmudic writings burned, and the rabbis forbidden to preach or teach on penalty of death (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], pp. 268-271). Luther also declared that Jewish people in Germany should be confined to their own homes and neighborhoods - a plan the Nazis implemented literally when they quarantined Jewish families in ghettos in Poland and other places before shipping them to the death camps for extermination. One historian writes: It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther’s advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering, and Himmler (William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich [New York: Simon & Shuster, 1960], p. 236).

No one is suggesting that anyone who believes in Replacement Theology is an anti-Semite or would agree with Luther’s statements. That would be an unfair characterization - and it certainly is not the case. It is important, nevertheless, to examine the implications and ramifications of any position, including Replacement Theology: and it is an incontestable fact that ideas similar to those of Replacement Theology have inspired some horrible atrocities against the Jewish people.

We’re Making Progress!

As we observed earlier, the term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new, and is generally avoided by adherents of supersessionism. As far as they are concerned, they’re simply espousing traditional theology - and in a sense, they are! Supersessionist ideas have been widely accepted in mainstream Christianity since the third century or so, as mainstream Christianity was gradually losing its original Jewish character. The Gentile powers-that-be in early institutional (Eastern and Western) Christianity wanted to distance themselves from Christianity’s Jewish origins. And they did!

The good new is that slowly but surely we’re making progress in our battle against Replacement Theology. Everywhere we go, all over the world, (even Arab countries!), we find believers who acknowledge Israel’s unique and ongoing place in God’s plan of the ages, and who are anxiously awaiting that Golden Age when, for the first time, “they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the Earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9).

Most Baptists today are premillennial (except for the most liberal Baptist denominations), as are many Bible churches, particularly those associated with IFCA (Independent Fundamental Churches of America) International and similar groups of independent churches. There are even premillennial Presbyterians! Our ranks are growing with every day that passes. Much of the opposition comes from the more liberal, mainline denominations and their seminaries. And it’s not merely coincidental that these are the same churches and institutions that are aligned with the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian World and National Councils of Churches.

If you’d like to know if your church leaders believe in Replacement Theology, ask them! If they are not familiar with the term, be patient because it’s entirely possible that they have never heard it before, even if they attended seminary. Also, it’s not likely that they’ve ever knowingly aligned themselves with any view that’s anti-Semitic, anti-Judaic or anti-Israel. This may all be new to them! Ask them, very humbly and sincerely, if they believe that God rejected Israel when Israel rejected His Son in the first century and that as a result, He has no future plan or purpose for the Jewish nation. They may reply that yes, of course, Jewish people can be saved and join the Church - and to them, that means God has a plan for the Jewish people. However, that’s not what we’re asking. We want to know if they believe that God is no longer dealing with the Jewish nation - and don’t be surprised if the answer, ultimately, is in the affirmative. After all, as we saw earlier, this has been the predominant view of mainstream Christianity for centuries - roughly since the time of Augustine, in fact. Sadly, this view has become normative in much of the Church, including many denominations and their seminaries.

Let’s not be afraid to challenge theological tradition when it’s wrong. It’s our responsibility to proclaim and defend the premillennial hope of the Church - and the nation of Israel - in these days of widespread error and apostasy. We should encourage our premillennial Bible colleges and seminaries to take a stand on Replacement Theology and challenge them to produce graduates who are knowledgeable about the historical and theological issues Replacement Theology encompasses. There’s a lot we can do, and we should be doing all we can!

lol-lilly, you remain a bullshit artist and an antisemite.

[MoMo]

There seems to be a strong tie between quite a few
Chinese characters and the Bible teaching,
without which it's simply difficult to explain
the component parts that make up the characters.

Some of these words are listed in the following
together with illustration of their ties with the Bible.[/color][/size]


Classic example of cultural assimilation, it doesn't exactly prove that the Old testament or God's word is any more "real". It's not entirely farfetched because "Jews
and Judaism in China have had a long history. Jewish settlers are
documented in China as early as the 7th or 8th century CE, but may have
arrived during the mid Han Dynasty, or even as early as 231 BCE[1].
Relatively isolated communities developed through the Tang and Song
Dynasties (7-12th cent. CE) all the way through the Qing Dynasty (19th
cent.), most notably in the Kaifeng Jews (the term "Chinese Jews" is
often used in a restricted sense to refer to these communities). "

"It has been asserted by some that the Jews who have historically
resided in various places in China originated with the Lost Ten Tribes
of the exiled ancient Kingdom of Israel who relocated to the areas of
present-day China. Traces of some ancient Jewish rituals have been observed in some places.

One well-known group was the Kaifeng Jews, who are purported to have
traveled from Persia to India during the mid-Han Dynasty and later
migrated from the Muslim-inhabited regions of northwestern China (modern
day Gansu province) to Henan province during the early Northern Song
Dynasty (960-1127).[8]"


Is there any evidence that Chinese people ever knew about the early
accounts in the Book of Genesis, such as a devil in the Garden of Eden,
the great flood, or the Tower of Babel?

FYI, the chinese developed their Alphabet AFTER the Hebrews, the Chinese characters you present as evidence are Logograms/Pictograms, not Uniconsonental Phonemes.

A Chinese character, also known as a Han character (汉字 / 漢字; Hànzì), is a logogram used in writing Chinese (hanzi), Japanese (kanji), less frequently Korean (hanja), and formerly Vietnamese (hán tự), and other languages. Chinese characters are also known as sinographs, and the Chinese writing system as sinography. Chinese characters are the oldest continuously used system of writing in the world.[1][2][3]

The number of Chinese characters contained in the Kangxi dictionary is approximately 47,035,

Notice not 26 abstract symbols but 47,000+; not conducive to universal literacy like an alphabet.

What occurred at/in Sinai was unique, the Authority of the Written Word superseded the authority of the Image.

Reiterating the Revolutionary Innovations that occurred at Sinai:

1: Monotheisn emerged,

2:Universal Codified Laws establishing Moral Ethics

3: The AlephBet-Proto AlphaBet emerged. The Hebrews reduced thosands of Images/Hieroglyphs/Petroglyphs/Ideograms/Pictograms into two dozen Characters, enabling Universal Literacy

For the first time ever, Religion demanded the follower be Literate. It is Commanded the Fathers obtain Scrolls of the Torah and teach them to their children.

Moses Commanded; Thou shall read the Law before all Israel Deut-31:10,11

The Reading of the Torah remains the most sacred obligation of every Jew.

Yahweh was concerned, unlike other gods, about the actions of everyone of His people.

Yahweh actually cares.

If someone was cheating/exploiting widows and orphans, mistreating strangers and slaves.etc.......YHWH knew and became wrathful.

The polytheistic gods did not.

Yahweh in His written Laws provided preventive Medicine, unknown to Egypt and Mesopotamis.

He explicitly spelled out in excruciating detail and minutia exactly what He expected from each and every Israelite.

Each Israelite established a personal relationship with Yahweh.

All of Yahwehs Laws were written down and everybody knew them.

It was an absolute Judaic condition that every male was literate.

Ignorance of the Law was no defence.

The Hebrews were the first to embrace Alphabetic writing, the Torah is the first Book written in an Alphbet.

The 10 Commandments were transmitted in a written Alphabetic form; Paleo-Hebrew.

Abstract letters/grammatical sequence/uniconsonantal phenomes.

The Alephbet/Alphabet introduced the possibility of Universal Literacy, so we may honestly thank and praise Yahweh that we are Literate!

All together now: Hallelu Yahweh!!!


Woot!!!! Wooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So once upon a time way out in the Sinai Desert a radical new communication technology emerged that would forever change cultural perceptions and that the first people to utilize it would introduce fundamental principles and features underpinning Western Civilisation.

Historical Data: Proto-Sinatic Alphabet

Discovered by Sir William Flinders Petrie, very early 20th century. Dated to: 1,800 BCE

Egyptian Coptic 2,000 years later/after

Tell el Armana Cache Phoenician 1,450 BCE letters from Canaanite Leaders to Akhenaton were scribed in Cuneiform

Akkadian Cuneiform after Sumerian Conquest.

An amazing vortex of Science and History occurred in the Sinai that the worlds oldest alphabet was found where the Hebrew Nation had their seminal experience...........................Bottom Line of what occurred at Sinai, lo those many years ago, the Power that once had been given to pictures was transferred to written words.

The Power of the Right Brain was Transferred to the Left Brain.

The Alephbet/Alphabet is the Book of Yahwehs/Bibles Eminence Grise-The unsuspected power.



Superorganisms/memes compete, as one Entelechy rises, others fall.

Of all the ANE Superorganisms/Memes, only the Jews have survivied.

Alphabetic Literacy profoundly reconfigured the relationship between the Hebrews and their Deity and between the Hebrews and their neighbours. The other ANE cultures.

The Jews have an unshakable faith.

The Religious beliefs of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Hyskos, Hurrians, Cretans, Mittani, Assyrians, Persians, Canaanites, Ugarites, Akkadians, Egyptians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Roman Belief Systems have diminished greatly and most have disappeared.
The Hebrew Faith has withstood the Viscitudes of times, surviving catastrophes that should have extinguished them.

So it stands to reason, from a Mechanical Perspective, the Hebrews core Meme is very strong...................................................The AlephBet-Proto AlphaBet emerged. The Hebrews reduced thosands of Images/Hieroglyphs/Petroglyphs/Ideograms/Pictograms into two dozen Characters, enabling Universal Literacy
For the first time ever, Religion demanded the follower be Literate. It is Commanded the Fathers obtain Scrolls of the Torah and teach them to their children.

One effect of an Alphabetic based Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather then the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.

Humans became Abstract, Linear Sequential Thinkers and also Numerate-Universaly.

Alphabets (30 graphic images or less) are accesible to 3 year olds and the slow of wit.

This was a major milestone in history-Universal Literacy, Judaism being the first Religion to require literacy.

That said, the Essence of Judaism-Genesis 1:3

Humans being created in the image of God was also unique and egalitarian.

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity
Quote:

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian parlance Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, idolatry Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of Yahweh play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

[MoMo]

http://cyrillography.blogspot.com/2011/05/genealogy-of-scripts-derived-from-proto.html

Genealogy of scripts derived from Proto-Sinaitic\ Development of the alphabets
0. Proto-Sinaitic - c. 1800 BC (Sinai)
1. Ugaritic abjad - c. 1500 BC (Syria)
2. Proto-Canaanite abjad - c. 1400 BC (Canaan)
2.1. Phoenician / Paleo-Hebrew abjad - c. 1100 BC (Canaan)
2.1.1. Aramaic abjad - c. 800 BC (Syria)
2.1.1.1. Brahmi abugida - c. 600 BC (India, Sri Lanka)
2.1.1.1.1. Cham abugida - c. AD 200 (Vietnam, Cambodia)
2.1.1.1.2. Gupta abugida - c. 400 (N. India)
2.1.1.1.2.1. Siddham abugida - c. 600 (N. India)
2.1.1.1.2.1.1. Tibetan abugida - c. 650 (Tibet)
2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1. Phagspa abugida - 1269 (Mongolia)
2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1. Hangul - 1443 (Korea) (hypothetical)
2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1. New Korean Orthography - 1948 (North Korea)
2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2. Lepcha abugida - c. 1700 (Bhutan)
2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.1. Limbu abugida - c. 1740 (Sikkim)
2.1.1.1.2.2. Nagari abugida - c. 750 (India)
2.1.1.1.2.2.1. Bengali abugida - c. 1050 (E. India, Bangladesh)
2.1.1.1.2.2.1.1. Oriya abugida - c. 1060 (E. India)
2.1.1.1.2.2.2. Devanagari abugida - c. 1100 (India)
2.1.1.1.2.2.2.1. Newari / Ranjana abugida - c. 1150 (Nepal)
2.1.1.1.2.2.2.1.1 Soyombo abugida - c. 1686 (Mongolia)
2.1.1.1.2.2.2.2. Modi abugida - c. 1600 (India)
2.1.1.1.2.2.2.3. Gujarati abugida - c. 1600 (India)
2.1.1.1.2.2.2.4. Cree abugida - 1841 (Canada)
2.1.1.1.2.3. Sharada abugida - c. 770 (Pakistan)
2.1.1.1.2.3.1. Gurmukhi abugida - c. 1539 (Pakistan, N. India)
2.1.1.1.3. Pallava abugida - c. 400 (S. India)
2.1.1.1.3.1. Khmer abugida - c. 600 (Cambodia)
2.1.1.1.3.1.1. Thai abugida - 1283 (Thailand)
2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1. Lao abugida - c. 1350 (Laos)
2.1.1.1.3.2. Mon abugida - c. 700 (Burma)
2.1.1.1.3.2.1. Burmese abugida - c. 1050 (Burma)
2.1.1.1.3.3. Old Kawi abugida - c. 775 (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.1. Javanese abugida - c. 900 (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.2. Balinese abugida - c. 1000 (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.3. Old Sundanese abugida - c. 1300 (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.3.1. Formal Sundanese abugida - 1997 (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.4. Batak abugida - c. 1300 (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.5. Baybayin abugida - c. 1300 (Philippines)
2.1.1.1.3.3.6. Buhid abugida - c. 1300 (Philippines)
2.1.1.1.3.3.7. Hanunó'o abugida - c. 1300 (Philippines)
2.1.1.1.3.3.8. Tagbanwa abugida - c. 1300 (Philippines)
2.1.1.1.3.3.9. Lontara abugida - c. 1600 (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.10. Rejang abugida - ? (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.11. Lampung abugida - ? (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1.3.3.12. Kerinci abugida - ? (Indonesia)
2.1.1.1. Bhattiprolu abugida - c. 400 BC (S India)
2.1.1.1.4. Kadamba abugida - c. 450 (S India)
2.1.1.1.4.1. Kannada abugida - c. 1200 (S.India)
2.1.1.1.4.2. Telugu abugida - c. 1200 (S. India)
2.1.1.1.5. Kalinga abugida - c. 500 (E India)
2.1.1.1.6. Grantha abugida - c. 500 (S India)
2.1.1.1.6.1. Sinhala abugida - c. 700 (Sri Lanka)
2.1.1.1.6.1.1. Dhives Akuru abugida - c. 1100 (Maldives)
2.1.1.1.6.2. Tamil abugida - c. 700 (India, Sri Lanka)
2.1.1.1.6.2.1. Sourashtra abugida - c. 1900 (S. India)
2.1.1.1.6.3. Malayalam abugida - c. 1100 (S. India)
2.1.1.1.7. Tocharian abugida - c. 500 (W. China)
2.1.1.1.8. Ahom abugida - c. 1250 (E. India)
2.1.1.2. Modern Hebrew abjad - c. 300 BC (Israel)
2.1.1.3. Kharosthi abugida - c. 250 BC (Pakistan, Afghanistan)
2.1.1.4. Pahlavi abjad - c. 200 BC (NE. Iran, W. China)
2.1.1.4.1. Avestan alphabet - c. AD 400 (SW. Iran)
2.1.1.5. Syriac abjad - c. 200 BC (Syria, Iraq)
2.1.1.5.1. Sogdian abjad - c. AD 100 (Uzbekistan)
2.1.1.5.1.1. Manichaean abjad - c. 300 (N.E. Iran)
2.1.1.5.1.2. Georgian alphabet - c. 430 (Georgia)
2.1.1.5.1.3. Orkhon alphabet - c. 700 (Mongolia)
2.1.1.5.1.3.1. Old Hungarian alphabet - c. 900 (Hungary)
2.1.1.5.1.4. Old Uyghur alphabet - c. 1000 (NW China)
2.1.1.5.1.4.1. Mongolian alphabet - c. 1100 (Mongolia)
2.1.1.5.1.4.1.1. Manchu alphabet - 1599 (NE China)
2.1.1.5.1.4.2. Todo alphabet - 1649 (NW China)
2.1.1.5.2. Nabataean abjad - c. 200 BC (Jordan)
2.1.1.5.2.1. Arabic abjad - c. AD 400 (Jordan, N. Arabia)
2.1.1.5.2.1.1. Jawi abjad - c. 1300 (Malaysia, Brunei)
2.1.1.6. Mandaic alphabet - c. 100 (Iran)
2.1.2. Samaritan abjad - c. 600 BC (Israel)
2.1.3. Greek alphabet - c. 800 BC (Greece) (first adds vowels)
2.1.4. Alphabets of Asia Minor - c. 800 BC (Anatolia)
2.1.4.1. Cumae alphabet - c. 750 BC (Greece, Italy)
2.1.4.1.1. Etruscan alphabet - c. 700 BC (Italy)
2.1.4.1.1.1. Venetic alphabet - c. 700 BC (Italy)
2.1.4.1.1.1.1. Runic alphabet - c. AD 150 (Germany, Scandinavia)
2.1.4.1.1.2. Latin alphabet - c. 700 BC (Italy)
2.1.4.1.1.2.1. Faliscan alphabet - c. 400 BC (Italy)
2.1.4.1.1.2.2. Cherokee syllabary - 1819 (United States)
2.1.4.1.1.2.2.1. Vai syllabary - c. 1815-40s (Liberia and Sierra Leone) (hypothetical)
2.1.4.1.1.2.3. Great Lakes Algonquian syllabary - c. 1880 (United States)
2.1.4.1.1.2.4. Woleai syllabary - 1905-1909 (Micronesia)
2.1.4.1.1.2.5. Fraser alphabet - 1915 (China)
2.1.4.1.1.3. Oscan alphabet - c. 600 BC (Italy)
2.1.4.1.2. Messapic alphabet - c. 550 BC (Italy)
2.1.4.2. Greco-Iberian alphabet - c. 400 BC (Spain)
2.1.4.3. Coptic alphabet - c. 200 BC (Egypt)
2.1.4.4. Gothic alphabet - c. AD 300 (Ukraine)
2.1.4.5. Armenian alphabet - 405 (Armenia)
2.1.4.6. Glagolitic alphabet - 862 (Byzantine Empire)
2.1.4.7. Cyrillic alphabet - c. 940 (Bulgaria)
2.1.4.7.1. Old Permic script - 1372 (Siberia)
2.1.4.7.2. Abkhaz alphabet - 1865 (Abkhazia)
2.1.5. Tartessian semi-syllabary - c. 600 BC (Portugal and Spain)
2.1.5.1. Southeastern Iberian semi-syllabary - c. 400 BC (Spain)
2.1.5.1.1. Northeastern Iberian semi-syllabary - c. 400 BC (Spain and France)
2.1.5.1.1.1. Celtiberian semi-syllabary - c. 200 BC (Spain)
2.1.6. Tifinagh abjad - c. 250 BC (NW Africa)
2.1.6.1. Neo-Tifinagh alphabet - c. AD 1965 (Morocco)
3. South Arabian abjad - c. 900 BC (Arabian Peninsula, Ethiopia, Eritrea [=D'mt])
3.1. Old Geez abjad - c. 500 BC (Ethiopia, Eritrea)
3.1.1. Ge'ez abugida - c. AD 300 (Ethiopia, Eritrea [=Aksum])
3.2. Thamudic abjad - c. 200 BC (N. Arabia)

[MoMo]

Did you notice the Geneology of the Proto-Sinaitic Alephbet?

The Phoenician alphabet developed from the Proto-Sinaitic-1800 BCE.



Note the dif:





My contention is Moses introduced the Alephbet to the Hebrews at Sinai, Moses was Trained in Egypt and no doubt Literate in Hieroglyphics and Hieratic/Logographs and Syllabarys, Cuneiform/Sumerian/Akkadian; also exposed to the Midianites whose domain contains the lapidary evidence of Proto-Sinaitic Script. Moses spent a good deal of time in the land of the Midianites, Jethro, his father in law was a high priest, most likely literate in the Alephbet

Since the majority population of Egypt and Canaan were illiterate they couldn't have taught the hebrews literacy. The hebrews had 40 years to learn in the Sinai Desert.

0. Proto-Sinaitic - c. 1800 BC (Sinai)
1. Ugaritic abjad - c. 1500 BC (Syria)
2. Proto-Canaanite abjad - c. 1400 BC (Canaan)
2.1. Phoenician / Paleo-Hebrew abjad - c. 1100 BC (Canaan)

I have seen one source that claims the Prot0-Sinaitic Alephbet is derived from HIEROGLYPHS-6,000+ Pictographs. At Wadi-?? notes not present-2,000BCE which predates the Sinai Lapidary evidence by 2 centuries.

Not hieratic which is a combo Pictograph-Syllabary. Only 2% of the Egyptian Populace was literate.

http://christianthinktank.com/abespeak.html

5. Word-sign languages use a discrete symbol for each specific word or phrase (like if I used a cracked-heart symbol to mean "broken heart"--but it couldn't mean 'sad-heart', too--I would need a SECOND symbol for that specific phrase/word). Syllabic forms use a discrete symbol for each syllable (e.g. using "Q" to always mean the sound "qu", or "4" for "for" in text messaging]. Alphabetic forms use a discrete symbol for each individual sound (e.g. "qu" would take 2 symbols, and "for" would take 3 symbols). Note: there are many alphabetic scripts which are 'incomplete' and do not encode all the spoken sounds individually (e.g., MB Phoencian didn't encode the vowel sounds, so the "B" consonant could be ba, be, bi, bo, bu, b-*.*). Hebrew and Aramiaic were the first languages which began encoding vowels into the alphabet (see [OT:ITB], [HI:RTP, 203]) and the Greeks are generally credited with adding all of the vowels into the alphabet later

[MoMo]

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[MoMo]

David Icke Forum Insanity:

There is a whole big mess of
"Today's (Everyday's), NEWS", MISSING,
from the, "TODAY'S NEWS" Section of
David Icke Official Forums,
but an awful lot of 'Olds'
(that never were 'news'),
being churned over and over again.

Why don't the David Icke Mods
(who also read here),
ban those blatant Rule Breakers?

Oh, because Team Tintin
(the worst of them), is 'David Icke'?

Night night, don't let the Bats of Darkness bite yer ass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst







git yer groove on!




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM

[true lilly]

For starters, the ONE thing 'they' change
is the first word,
in 'their' SATANIC PREACHING,
from, Think! to Think!,
because THINKING IS THE LAST THING
'they' "REQUIRE" FROM YOU!

I've left that as 'ninny' posted but have highlighted
the lies and deceptions designed to
twist YOUR THINKING
INTO THEIR SATANIC DOCTRINES:

11-08-2011, 06:32 AM #30101

ninny

8811

Charles Manson telephoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3dfzTcfEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMAMRFE6ajo

notice he speaks of "The mark of the Beast"

Quote:

Charles Manson replies to concerns about a “New World Order” (Letter - July, 2011) Think! If a body (person) lies and was raised and taught to lie, and lies to self and lives with others who can't be truthful, how can they even know what knowing is or is not? How can they even understand the words and/or thoughts made up by the words? They are play-acting movies and TV game shows.(HOW? Through TRUSTING GOD'S WORD, as HE HAS PROVEN that HE CAN'T LIE!) You use the words "World Order", and you have thoughts in your head that came from someone else, that you don't even know what is or is not. You can't even use your own brain because others ‘been doing your thinking, and you haven't even been born in Truth. (I HAVE, why I DO KNOW THE NEXT BIT IS ALSO A BALD FACED LIE!)You were born 1000 and million-million light years old, but are trapped in the body others needed you to be, play, and carry the cross for – you don't even know what stupid is. ('ninny', TEAM TINTIN, ICKEST'S OBVIOUSLY DON'T!) And it would take 10 lifetimes running backwards through school to blink one eye.(MORE senseless dribble to KEEP YOU OFF BALANCE!) (and here, 'pure' TINTIN/ICKE=SATANIC RELIGIOUS PREACHING...) There is only one. One world is like – all water is one water. Real order is one. One is all, all and one is zero, nothing, and everything. World is already in its order.(TRYING to SPIN THAT TO ENGLAND, NOW? HOW BLOODY STUPID!) What you're talking and thinking is brainwash – ‘use your own head’ would mean being reborn ('he/they' MEANS YOU MUST DIE First!)and not picking the same old thoughts back up. Order is true in itself as it is. First is air. Air- without air there is no life on earth as I know and live it. (a DEAD Give Away, AND WHAT I'VE BEEN BANNED FOR POSTING THE TRUTH OF; air=oxygen=rust=DEATH=PRINCE of The AIR=DEATH, BUT 'they' IGNORE those millions of years ago when LIFE EXISTED ON EARTH, BEFORE OXYGEN FORMED and DEATH had NOT YET ENTERED THIS AGE of THIS SYSTEM of Things!)To destroy or distort air is out of order ('they' MEAN SATAN IS SO WEAK HE NEEDS US TO DIE TRYING TO PROTECT HIM)– governments, money churches, none of that means anything. The people of the Earth world are so warped, distorted, twisted, and filled with lies and fear, confusion, doubt, and cover-ups, greed, so on and on - that they can't see it if you show them.(NOT ALL, WE THANK GOD! But THAT IS WHAT 'they' BELIEVE OF YOU!) For over 100 years, people have been trying to show the commands that Air Is First, and not to use gas in the World Wars I and II. But people say; "How long before all the air on earth is gone, over, and all life is over?"… “100 years”… and the same with the order of where air comes from; trees, green things, water and its order.(still BEGGING WE DIE TO KEEP THE PRINCE of DEATH 'alive') Money and fear, sex and other levels of the world orders of death speak louder.(LIE! But 'they' DO CONTROL WEB/NET Forums and SILENCE those who THREATEN 'their' WEAK lord death) And real and truth is covered-up, lost from the real by the cover-ups of the unreal, and who gives a fucks rule. And the sellouts win again and time goes on and on, dragging the real order up and down, under and over, around in circles. (SHIT! TINTIN'S VERY OWN, SO OFTEN REPEATED Excuse for why he doesn't have the balls to WALK AWAY from HIS DEMONIC LUSTS, and PREACHES OUT OF BITTERNESS because he doesn't have the balls to FACE HIS MAKER ALONE, which HE WILL!) A lot of people say they would die before they would do this or that,(more than 'say' I've proven it time and time again, and doesn't that just show what WEAK, BITTER FOOLS 'they' ARE, that 'they' have only managed to NEARLY KILL ME, so far...) and they got ways they say they believe and want change. Then, when no one's looking, they're sucking on it or doing and going where they told and made someone do their will – that's not order, that's disorder = out of order. And that kind of thought and behavior covers up the real order of (more confusing, HYPNOTIC dribble to drive home, FIX 'their' Coded Order...) the ‘do or die’ Order. (ORDERING SENSELESS SLAUGHTERS) You're in a room, a car is running, and oil is destroying your air. Order says, "Turn the car off or give up the air". That's got nothing to do with 'will you suck or not suck?' There are people who would go to war and destroy their own world, children, and self before they would or could be truthful with what's inside their own minds' order.(THOSE PEOPLE ARE TINTIN, ASSANGE, ICKE and ALL THOSE GURUS of The Father of The Lie and Death, who ARE ALL TOO WEAK TO DEBATE ME, and little woman of NO WORLDLY POWER or CONNECTIONS!) I worked and got you… (established –ed.)(his coded CREDIT TO HIS MASTERS that INVENTED his persona, gave him his orders and CONTINUE TO PREACH THROUGH HIM VIA HIS 'Industry') and…and just like Boston Irish people, you were lying so you could make movies and dump it back on someone else. I forgot the rest of this.(see above, forgot his orders) It's without real reasons because there is no one left over from the last cross boss. Easy Charles Manson

source
Last edited by ninny; 11-08-2011 at 06:34 AM.

...now lets look at
"that" source...nothing much at all,
then click on Home...
THE "home" 'they' WANT YOU DEVOTED TO!
...and I CAN'T SHOW YOU, BECAUSE
IT=HE=MANSON='they'=MY GOD'S ENEMY'S
are VERY HEAVILY PROTECTED...in This,
CRUMBLING DYING Worldly System, because
IT=HE=MANSON='they'=MY GOD'S ENEMY'S,
are also CRUMBLING and DYING and CAN'T,
stand open and free to even the simplest scrutiny!

[MoMo]

HeY!!!!! do those kittys rock out or what?

Here's your problem in a 'nut'shell. get it?

you're 'Projecting'

Found!! A Source of Lillys madness!!

This is the source of Lillys deformed/degenerate racist Theology. She actually Posted their Link and menu.
http://www.garnertedarmstrong.org/pubsubj.shtml

So who or what is WCG?
Herbert W Armstrong:

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/fundienazis/cr.htm

Garner Ted ArmstrongDeceased founder of the Worldwide Church of God (originally the Radio Church of God), the Plain Truth magazine and the World Tomorrow radio and TV programs. During his lifetime, Armstrong was the self-proclaimed "Apostle" of the "only true church on earth today." Herbert Armstrong was father of television and radio evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong.
Garner Ted Armstrong:

Radio and television evangelist, son of Herbert W Armstrong. Garner Ted Armstrong was former chief spokesman on the media outreaches of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG). He founded the Church of God, International (CGI) after being expelled from the WCG in 1978 during a leadership power struggle in that organization. He later founded the Intercontinental Church of God (ICG) and the Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association after being expelled from the CGI in 1998 as a result of a highly-publicized sex scandal. Armstrong is the self-proclaimed "Ezekiel Watchman"... main prophetic spokesman for God on earth today. Died in fall 2003.


Their claims:
The identification of the descendants of Abraham is an important factor in understanding bible prophecy. The truth is that there are a great number of nations that are descended from Abraham and heir to the promises made by God to Abraham...The Tribal origin of these nations and also the identity of the English-Speaking people...
This could cover British Israelism or in America Christian Identity. (May not be the same.) The largest promoter of this nonsense is the mostly defunct churches of the Armstrong family churches and racist' hate groups. What separates them is their view of Jews. The basic idea is the white Americans and British are the lost Ten Tribes of Israel. The Jews/Israel of the Bible are my direct human ancestors (WASP) according to them. Think about that. The Bible tells us Abraham came from Ur, which is in present day Iraq. In other words, white Europeans are Semites related directly to the Arabs. Ishmael was the other son of Abraham and the traditional father of the Arabs. So the British are the half-brothers of the Saudis. When America and England invaded Iraq, we returned to our ancestral homeland. I don't think this is what they had in mind.

What to do about the Jews
Being blood-relations to Arabs is bad enough for the racists in their ranks, the idea of being related to Jews drives them even more insane. British Israelism as it started never claimed the Jews were not Israel, just the British (and later America) were one of the tribes of Israel.

But here it gets tricky. According to the Identity racists and some of the British Israelism types, the "Jews" we see today are imposters! They are converts from a 8th century Turkish tribe called the Khazars. (They fail to explain the fact the Jews from Muslim countries make up most of the population of Israel.) Jesus was wrong after all! His "brothers" the Jews really were not the children of Abraham! Any rational person would laugh at this nonsense. Now let's see how this relates to the real Israel, the Jews. What BI advocates is salvation by race, but how do they do away with and real Jews? They must prove the Jews are not the people of the Bible unless they want to claim Jews as blood brothers, totally unacceptable to those that are just racists. Thus they claim the European Jews are Turkish converts unrelated to the people of the Bible.....................


Apparently Lilly, the Queen of All Bullshit has drank their kool-aid and is now a Zombie!!

Who are Israelites in the New Testament use of the word? Does the New Testament make a difference between a "fleshly Jew" and a fleshly "Israelite"? In answer to these questions, the following parallels are submitted:1. John preached repentance to the Jews "of Judea"-Mark 1:4-5.
But John preached "repentance to all people of Israel" Acts 13:24.

2. Nicodemus was "a ruler of the Jews"-John 3:1.
But Nicodemus was "a master of Israel" John 3:10.

3. Paul the apostle was "a Jew of Tarsus"-Acts 21 :39.
But Paul the apostle was also "an Israelite"-Rom. 11:1.

4. Paul called the Jews his own nation-Gal. 1:13-14.
But Paul called Israel his nation-Acts 28:17-20.

5. Paul was a fleshly Jew "by nature"-Gal. 2:15.
But Paul was the same kind of an Israelite-2 Cor. 11:22.

In Radio Address, Aug. 28, 1943, Dr. John Matthews said that Paul was a Jew only in a religious sense. Well, he was a Benjamite-Ph. 3 :15-and the tribe of Benjamin remained with Judah, not the ten tribes, hence not Israel, according to these modern "Israelites." Moreover, Paul's use of the word "Jew" in Acts 21:39, when he declared himself a Jew, was in contrast with the word "Egyptian" in verse 38, in the same connection. He was the same kind of a Jew that the other fellow was of "an Egyptian." Paul says that he was a fleshly Jew, a Jew by nature, a Hebrew and a Benjamite, yet we are told that he was a Jew only in a religious sense, a religious Jew by nature, or just naturally a religious Jew! A natural religious Jew, or a religious natural Jew-which? Such twaddle makes us feel like saying "Pshaw!"

6. Paul called Peter a Jew like "other Jews" Gal. 2:11-15.
Peter called himself a Jew in contrast with "another nation"-Acts 10:28.

7. Jews "out of every nation" were dwelling at Jerusalem-Acts 2:5.
Peter referred to all of these Jews as "men of Israel"-Acts 2:22.

8. The old covenant was given to the Jews-Rom. 3:1.
But the old covenant was given to Israel-Rom. 9:4.

9. Paul called the Jews the circumcision-Rom. 3 :29-30.
He referred to Israel as the circumcision-Gal. 6:13-16.

10. The gospel was first preached to the Jews-Rom. 1:16.
The gospel was first preached to Israel-Acts 10:36.

11. At first the gospel was preached only to the Jews-Acts 11:
19 But at first the gospel was preached to Israel-Acts 10:36.

12. The Jews and Israel were identified as being the same in Acts 13.
Verse 6 refers to the "synagogue of the Jews" in which Paul preached. In verse 16 Paul called them "men of Israel" and in verse 17 "this people of Israel." In verse 24 he says that John "had first preached repentance to all the people of Israel," in verse 26 he called them the "stock of Abraham," and in verse 33 he referred to the Jews as "us their children"; then, showing that the Jews were the ones to whom he was speaking, verse 42 says "when the Jews came out of the synagogue." So Acts 13 adds up to this: Paul went into the "synagogue of the Jews"; talking to the Jews in their synagogue, he called them "men of Israel," "this people Israel," "all the people of Israel," "stock of Abraham," and "us their children"-and-then "the Jews came out of the synagogue"-but Anglo-Israelists say that the Jews were not Israel.

13. Matthew called Jesus the king of the Jews-Matt. 27:29-37.
Mark called Jesus the king of Israel-Mark 15:17, 32.

Let it be observed here that Pilate asked only one question. He did not ask if Christ was king of the Jews and then ask if he was king of Israel. The records of Matthew and Mark therefore show that they used the terms interchangeably; one said that he was king of the Jews, but the other said that he was king of Israel-but they meant the same thing. Therefore, Jews and Israel were understood by the gospel writers as being one and the same thing

14. Paul declares that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah-Heb.7:14
John declares that Jesus was Lion of the tribe of Judah Rev 5:5

If Paul had been of the tribe of Judah, would Anglo-Israelists admit that he was a Jew? Yes. Then, since Jesus Christ was of the tribe of Judah, what keeps him from being a Jew? Yet the Anglo-Israelists insist that neither Christ nor any of the apostles of Christ were Jews. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah; Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, which merged with Judah and continued under the name of Judah. This fact is clearly stated in 1 Kings 12:2023. So Paul the Benjamite, and Jesus the Judahitc but neither of them was a Jew according to an Anglo-Israelite.

16. Finally-in his conversation with the Samaritan woman. Jesus said that he was a Jew John 4:9-22.
First, the woman of Samaria said to Jesus: "How is it that thou being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria ? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans." Here Jesus permitted this woman to call him a Jew, and John the apostle wrote it down that way in the gospel record. Then m verse 22, Jesus said to the woman, "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." Thus Jesus accepted the name Jew when the woman called hind one, and then in referring to "ye" and "we" when replying to her he called himself one.


As the matter stands, Paul the Hebrew, the Benjamite, the Israelite, was a Jew. Jesus who "sprang out of Judah," and who was the "Lion of the tribe of Judah," was a Jew. Paul said "we Jews"-Gal. 2:15-and Jesus said "we Jews" John 4 22-so Jesus and Paul were Jews if their own words count any thing or have any meaning. The baseless assertions of Anglo-Israelists to the contrary, notwithstanding.

Seventh: They must prove that God chose the ten tribes over Judah. In Psa. 78:67-68 David says very specifically that God "refused the tabernacle of Joseph" and "chose not the tribe of Ephraim" but "chose the tribe of Judah." (WWW.BIBLE.CA) To quote,

Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim: But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.
When did God change his mind and elect the British? If the Bible is so overwhelming in disproving this nonsense, how can they still believe it? They claim the Bible is a fraud! According to them all the bibles everyone uses today are based on frauds printed by the Rothchilds in the 1700s! One just can't make this stuff up. This is the point when fundamentalism is mental illness.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/fundienazis/cr.htm

Biblical Hermeneutics and Inductive Study

Lilly & Rodins Fatal Flaw in Exegesis

http://www.xenos.org/classes/principles/cpu3_hermeneutics.htm

Introduction
The consensus in the world today is that the average person can't accurately interpret what the Bible says. Do the following statements sound familiar to you?:

"We should rely on the clergy/experts to tell us what the Bible means."

This statement reflects the assumption that the meaning of scripture is beyond the reach of the average person.

"People have always disagreed about the meaning of the Bible (different denominations)."

People have disagreed, and sometimes their disagreements have been brutal. So is the best posture tolerance of hermeneutical diversity? To what extent? Are all meanings valid?

"The Bible has been used to justify everything you can think of. You can make it mean anything you want it to mean."

We can show clear historical instances in which people have interpreted the Bible through their own cultural values, often without even being aware of it. EXAMPLES: slavery (using Old Testament permission vs. Philemon & New Testament silence); women (patriarchal views vs. Bible); capitalism as a biblically sanctioned economic system; Christian psychology self-help books proof-texting secular theories (e.g., Self-Esteem).

Can we become aware of our own cultural values sufficiently to avoid this, or should such historical abuse lead us to cynicism about the possibility of "objective interpretation?"

"That's just your interpretation." "It's impossible to determine the original author's meaning, rather, as we read it, we create our own meaning for the text."

These statements reflect the relativism and postmodernism that has permeated our whole culture.

The challenge:



You may realize these are all secular, non-Christian objections. But what about the following scenarios?

In a home Bible study when someone says "What this passage means to me is . . ." And then someone else says, "That's great. But I got a different meaning (and his meaning is contradictory)." And everyone concludes by saying "Praise God for all the great insight we're getting!" Aren't we violating the law of non-contradiction by accepting this resolution?'

What about this story: "Almost twenty years ago I rode in a car with a fellow believer who relayed to me what the Lord had 'told' him that morning in his quiet time. He had been reading the KJV of Matthew; and I perceived that not only had he misunderstood the archaic English, but also that the KJV at that place had unwittingly misrepresented the Greek text. I gently suggested there might be another way to understand the passage and summarized what I thought the passage was saying. The brother dismissed my view as impossible on the grounds that the Holy Spirit, who does not lie, had told him the truth on this matter. Being young and bold, I pressed on with my explanation of grammar, context, and translation, but was brushed off by a reference to 1 Cor. 2:10b-15: spiritual things must be spiritually discerned-which left little doubt about my status. Genuinely intrigued, I asked this brother what he would say if I put forward my interpretation, not on the basis of grammar and text, but on the basis that the Lord himself had given me the interpretation I was advancing. He was silent a long time, and then concluded, 'I guess that would mean the Spirit says the Bible means different things to different people.'" D. A. Carson, Exegetical Fallacies (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House Co., 1984) p. 13.
If we accept this, aren't we accepting relativism in the name of spiritual experience?

Definition of Hermeneutics: The science/art of interpreting texts.

2 Tim 2:15* Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth.

"handling accurately" implies there is a proper interpretation
"be diligent" implies there are obstacles and difficulties involved
"ashamed" implies good interpretation is achievable

These issues highlight the importance of two closely related areas of bibliology: hermeneutics and perspicuity.......................

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Grammatico-Historical Hermeneutics

Definition: A method of interpretation that takes into account common rules of grammar and syntax and the author's historical context.

The goal of biblical hermeneutics is to ascertain as closely as possible the meaning intended by the original author. We want the interpreter to remain under the authority of the text instead of imposing his or her meaning on the text. If we can accomplish this, we can hear God speak to us through his inspired author! A goal worth pursuing.

While there may be many valid applications of a text, there is only one valid interpretation. An interpretation is the author's intended meaning; an application is how the reader should respond.

Exegesis: Extracting the meaning from the text

Lillys Fatal Flaw:
Eisogesis: Projection of reader bias onto the text.

Mark 12:31 "Love your neighbor as yourself." Does this mean that we cannot venture into loving others until we first have a healthy love for ourselves? This is a common misinterpretation. Or does Christ presume we already love ourselves, even selfishly, and therefore we need to step out NOW and serve others? The latter most certainly squares with the rest of scripture. The applications for the latter may be more than we like to think about!

The task of the interpreter is to ascertain that intended meaning if possible, using the following tools.

Three Principles that should guide our interpretation

1. INTERPRET GRAMMATICALLY: Take the normal meaning of the words, phrases and sentences unless it is impossible to do so. The interpretation must correspond to the words and grammar in the text in a reasonable way. Otherwise, there is no objective control over the interpreter (EXAMPLES: see "Hermeneutical Schools"). Most of the Bible can be interpreted by simply taking the language (either in the original or in translation) in the usual way. In other words, "If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense."

Qualifications:

Allow for figures of speech. A plain sense reading should not be confused with a literalistic interpretation.
Psa. 91:4 He will cover you with His pinions, And under His wings you may seek refuge; His faithfulness is a shield and bulwark.

Lk. 22:19 - " . . . this is my body . . . " Where was Jesus' body when he said this? See his other metaphors (door; bread; etc.).

Col. 1:15 - " . . . the first-born of all creation . . . " The Old Testament sometimes uses this term to refer to "heir" (Ex. 4:22; Jer. 31:9). Heb. 1:6,7 uses it to refer to Jesus as the object of angelic worship.

Allow for symbolism. If a passage is symbolic or contains symbols, this should be indicated in the text, either by textual cues or because symbolism is required in order to make sense of the text. The Bible itself explains most symbols.
Rev. 1:9-20 - The symbols are identified as such ("like") and explained. Most of biblical symbols are handled this way. Many other symbols in Revelation have been previously explained in Daniel.

2. INTERPRET HISTORICALLY: Historical interpretation means that we take into account the historical background of the author and the recipients. We are not interested at first in the question, "What does it mean to me?" but rather, "What did it mean to the original audience?" Use Bible dictionaries, encyclopedias, commentaries, or other sources to learn more about customs, money, geography, etc. We need to ascertain the original intent before we apply any biblical teaching.

Gen. 15:7-21 - "Cutting a covenant" solemnized a contract between two parties. It was normally bilateral (both parties walked through), but only God goes through >> GRACE COVENANT.

1 Cor. 11:4-6 - Shorn hair was typical of Aphrodite priestess-prostitutes; shaven heads were typical of convicted adulteresses (vs. 5).

The parable of the Good Samaritan (Lk. 10), 300 Denarii (John 12:3-5), 50,000 Drachma (Acts 19:19).

Pharisees' teaching on the relationship between illness and sin (Mk. 2)

3. INTERPRET CRITICALLY: Your interpretation must make rational sense. The entire Bible is the product of one author (God) at the same time that it is the product of many authors. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect a consistent message throughout the Bible. Some of these rules are logical implications of a belief in the verbal plenary inspiration of scripture.

FIVE PRACTICAL RULES - These rules will help you to arrive at a critically sound interpretation.

a. Interpret in light of the context of the passage (which author? book? passage?). Never view a passage in isolation from its surroundings. The context should be considered the most important kind of evidence in the interpretation of a passage. Only when no critically feasible interpretation can be found can we claim that a break in context was intended.

Mt. 16:28 - Referring to the transfiguration (in context of passage) "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
2 Peter 1:16- confirms that Peter was an eye witness of Christ's "majesty."

Jas. 1:6-8 - The "doubter" is not simply any Christian who has occasional doubts. He is the "double-minded man," whom James further describes in 4:8 (in context of book) as Christians who posture themselves as loving God but really love the world.

b. Interpret in light of progressive revelation

(Heb. 1:1,2). God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

Heb 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

While God's purpose for man has never changed, his strategy in accomplishing that purpose has changed. He has dealt with man under different "covenants," or "dispensations." Therefore, it is important to ask, "Under which program was this written?" Primary application of the passage will be to the people operating under that program, but not necessarily to others. There may be secondary applications for other programs based on principles which have universal application.

Ex. 20:8-10 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you."

Animal sacrifices, dietary laws, Sabbaths, holy days, festivals, priests and liturgy have all been fulfilled in Christ and are thus obsolete (compare with Col. 2:16,17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." and Heb. .

Theocracy was commanded in the Old Testament, but secular government is affirmed in the New Testament (Rom. 13:1-7; Mt. 22:21).

Mal. 3:7-12 - The practice of tithes should be seen in context of the Old Testament (see Num. 18:21-24; Deut. 14:22-29)

c. Interpret scripture in harmony with other scripture. Since the Bible is inspired by God, it does not contradict itself. Therefore, never interpret scripture in such a way that it clearly contradicts other scriptures. If a passage can be legitimately interpreted in more than one way, choose the interpretation that doesn't contradict other scriptures.

Go back to the initial example of Mark 12:31- "Love your neighbor as yourself." We must interpret this passage in harmony with Jesus' other teachings.

Acts 2:38 could be referring to either baptismal regeneration, or simply adding baptism as a desirable adjunct to the minimum requirement for salvation (i.e., faith). In view of the clear teaching on salvation by grace through faith alone, the latter interpretation is preferable.

d. Interpret the unclear in light of the clear. Every major, essential truth is taught clearly and many times. Never build a doctrine on an unclear passage.

Lk. 16:9 "And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by means of the mammon of unrighteousness; that when it fails, they may receive you into the eternal dwellings." . . . is used by Roman Catholics to support indulgences.

1 Cor. 15:29 "Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?" . . . mentions an obscure, unknown practice used in Corinth. Paul doesn't affirm this practice; he just asks why they're doing it if they don't believe in resurrection. Today, the Mormon church uses this passage to elevate dead ancestors to a higher status in the afterlife.

e. Interpret in light of the literary style. The literary style (genre) affects our understanding of the passage. For example, Proverbs should not be interpreted axiomatically like didactic theological statements in the gospels and epistles. It contains many general maxims, but not all proverbs are absolute promises.

Proverbs 22:6 - Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.

We realize, not every child will go right, but most will.

Proverbs 15:1 - A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Obviously, not every gentle word will turn away wrath, but in most cases it works.

Contrast these to the didactic teaching of Rom. 8:1.

Which of these rules implies belief in verbal plenary inspiration?


Lilly & Rodins Fatal Flaw in Exegesis, they project their own bias and their interpretation becomes Eisogesis.. cont......


eisogesis: subjectivism. Reading into text something that isn’t there at all. Greek. Same root as exegesis with different prefix. "eis" means "into."


http://www.interfaith.org/foru...

Eisogesis is the act of putting meaning into a text where it is not there.

http://idontknownuthin.com/wik...

Eisogesis is, I believe, a form of Psychological Projection which is in the end nothing more than a good old fashioned defense mechanism.

The vernacular, I suppose, is called, "selective hearing" and/or "selective reading" and/or "selective seeing", and/or, etc., etc., etc.

[size=24]"Exegesis is the process of getting "out" ('ex') of the text what is truly there in the first place. The opposite to exegesis is eisogesis. This is the process of putting "into" the text something that wasn't intended by the author. So let's explore how to do eisogesis (although most people don't actually need to be instructed on how to do this!).[/size]

And here's a fascinating powerpoint presentation that a College Professor did on the difference between exegesis and eisegesis:
http://users.anderson.edu/~glg...

I would speculate that the following is probably true in regard to Mike Tannehill's chronic use of this fallacious hermeneutical technique:

"Eisegesis often reflects psychological needs"

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