'David Icke/tintin's', The NEWS behind the NEWS.

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/why-no-reviews-of-david-icke-preaching-in-melbourne-oct-2011-t2123-30.html

David Vincent wrote:

true lilly wrote:Seems 'some' need a little more context to understand
the great hole 'they' have dug 'themselves' into...with a lot
of 'help' from 'their' 'friends'.
Re: IT BEGINS....
https://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1612p15-it-begins#26452
Post true lilly Today at 12:17 am

ROFLMAO

And the best part about that thread,is your "second death" that you threaten others with and boast about,isn't Judaic Old Testament,the thieves that they were,but based on The Mystery Schools of Egypt.

So you subscribe,to the very thing you hate

it's all...From Out Of Egypt....LULZ

Welcome to the family Suzy Ryan,take good care of you now.

You spam,so shall I...

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:
And, "you" are NOTHING.

Sure about that?!?!?!?!

Billy Ruben wrote:Do the right thing and seek not recognition for those deeds,it will be noted as a spiritual aspect for after death,then,maybe a fruiter like you can keep something of themselves as the ego layer is stripped away and fed to MAAT the reptilian,leaving you as a clear virgin shell of consciousness and soul.Have a nice day...

The lies,slander,conspiracies,the games,the cruelty you have displayed to people and animals...you think there's something worth of you sparing...I already know you're the walking dead,like 90% of the human trash that filth this planet.I just vainly try and warn those,what the real second death is....The joke's on you,Suzy Ryan,Gods Anointed Spammer...



Ammut (aka Ammit, Ammet, Amemet)

She waited in the throne room often hidden as the judges of the Egyptian dead weighed the hearts of the deceased. Evil folk's hearts would become her next snack. Their souls were the main course. This was a second death, as being barred from the afterlife the soul was doomed to wander forever over the earth. Ammut is part lioness, hippo, and crocodile. She is also called the Bone Eater and Devourer of Millions. She is a most holy being as she alone could thusly bar the evil from entering the afterlife.

Ahhh,excellent insights there Mr Ruben,if I say so myself,would'nt you agree True Lilly,you do,but you just don't realise it...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

True Lilly wrote:
And there's 'Billy Ruben' with 'his'
months of death threats that specify such methods,
and associating himself with bad cops, health unionists,
biker groups, and really bad dudes...which you would right off,
as an attention seeking nutter...but for the at least
3 different phones 'he' uses, and, the others who know of,
and approve of 'his' death threats, and the very specific
associations 'he' brags of, that make 'him' believe
'he's' 'untouchable' enough to keep getting away with it.

...and then of course, there are
the 2 Car Bombs I've already survived...
and the other attacks by really bad dudes, etc...

and 'Jason/Billy Ruben's' dangerously erratic and
volatile behaviour that makes 'him' a liability to
'friends', 'associates' and anyone 'he' 'perceives'
as a 'foe'.

We've all been through this.
Two months ago,when I got sick of True Lillys',baseless,groundless,slander and lies,against everyone whom she finds dis-pleasure with,ie,anybody who does'nt unquestioning believe,who littany of lies.
Frustrated to the point of doing something stupid,I decided to take my chances with Ballarat Police,close to where Suzy lives,she being the "BUM" part of town,Wendouree West,known for its bakeries and cock gobbling glory holes of Hollioke Park.
...I have the phone bill here to prove I rang on a Saturday.
Anyway,not expecting to get anywhere,especially,if I gave away my relationship with NSW Police,to be rather strained at best.
I was surprised to have my queries answered by a very professional and seasoned officer,who knew the law and history of Victoria and Ballarat.
...After describing my complaint,being accused as a babyfucker and goat abuser and so has many others by this nutter.I mentioned Suzy's ex-husband,Bill Ryan,a serving member?,remember,this is Suzy data,it could be made up at the bottom of a Gin bottle.

BAck in a minute...
The officer then took an interest and began looking for this Bill Ryan.I said to the officer,she'd be easy to remember,her car was blown up by bombing in her driveway and herself has been beaten up twice and put in a hospital.I could hear the keyboard,thumping away in the background,he's researching the data as I speak.He had a chuckle and said,there has'nt been a car-bombing in the state of Victoria for 30 years and that was the Russell St bombing.
...The officer,whose name I'll keep secret until Suzy Ryan,True Lilly/Vera Susa wants to reveal more or challenge this,said she can't be charged the way the laws stand now,but that may differ in the near future.

That sad little tale,that Suzy Ryan/True Lilly made up,lied about,she has been milking the public and friends for years,whether it's money,computers or a lift down the street,True Lilly has been profiting off her lies for many years now,off the good will of her readers.
She continues with her lies,cause they serve her well.I exposed her for this and hopefully,slowly,others catch on.She even plays this on her own family,and she abandoned them,in favour of delivering Gods Saving Word,her schizoid spam,even over the love of her children.Still think she's not a threat,guess again,she's a dangerous,manipulative,game-playing,conspiring schizoid,who fooled many of you with her old lady act.
She isn't nice,frail or alone.She's very well connected.She's a liar,slanderer,extortionist,is this the quality of character,that one should have to advocate God for you?
Nutter extraordinaire...But wait,there's more,WOOF,WOOF...

Now see her above post,it still contains the lies that she's trying to utilize to build another fantasy,completely crackers,but then again,it's the only game she has in town,as the management said,it's what she does,well,I don't have to tolerate it,her or her lying crap.

Billy Ruben wrote:...But I suppose you all knew that,stupid bint,could'nt get any interest and spread rumours about dogfuckers and babyrapers...where it was probably an uncle or step dad who tricked her out.Anyway,I'd love to see the evidence where she tries to extort the forum for money...pathetic she is,anyway,it's a war and it's grizzley,sorry about this to human eyes,but it's the way it is...
She tried extorting Tintin too,everything she accuses one of,believe me,it's the opposite...she's a true lowlife,see it in the street,don't hit it,don't pity it,expectorate on it...in other words,hawk it right back and spit it heavy in her face,that's what I intend on doing...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:Anyone of unfounded crimes and atrocities ever again I swear,I'll pursue you to the ends of the Earth,your God,will not protect you...

How dare you,pick on someone that can't even defend themselves.
Do you know how much hurt and pain your stupid little game does,how does mine back to you feel? Get it,myopic slag???
Ozpixie would never be what you accuse her off.

Quote: I Am

Jase,

I would not even show this to ozpixie as I know how much it would upset her and trust me, she does not need this sort of disgusting accusation in her life.

I have been slated by the best of them but really don’t give a toss. I know who I am and my friends and family know who I am.. I have been around long enough that it is water off a duck’s back.

Oz on the other hand is a very sweet lady who is not all that savvy to the hatred spread on the net.

I cannot give you too much information but I can assure you she is not the person true lilly believes she is. Her name is not Christine and she has never met or had any contact with lilly. She is not only not from Ballarat, She is not even from the same state.

How's that for showing what little you really know,eh? But still quite prepared to vomit your bullshit.You got no credibility and you make the Anti-Icke movement look cold and hate-filled with no warrant to be...and for that

I THANK YOU

ANYWAY,YOU'RE NOT GETTING LET OFF,WHILST YOU STILL USE GENERAL FORUM,i WILL HAUNT YOU,BACK IN YOUR DUNGEON DRAGON...AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE,ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANY SEXUAL CRIME AND I WILL TAUNT AND HAUNT YOU MORE...

THIS WILL NOT END,I WILL AWAIT YOU AND DESTROY EVERY SYLLABLE YOU DARE UTTER IN FUTURE...F*CK YOU,IS THE ORDER FOR EVERYDAY,DRAGON...

Billy Ruben wrote:ANSWER ME YOU GOD WHORE,WHY ACCUSE SOMEONE MEEK AND MILD OF AN ATROCITY THAT SHE COULD'NT EVEN READ ABOUT,LET ALONE PERFORM,WITH NO EVIDENCE AS USUAL,BUT YOU SEEM PRE-OCCUPIED WITH THIS SUBJECT,AND NAMED OZPIXIE WRONG,BUT STILL PERSIST,WHY SPREAD VICIOUS LIES AND RUMOURS,JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF YOUR POST,BITCH!!!
I ALSO NOTICED YOU NEVER MENTIONED CIGGY AND I FOR MONTHS,UNTIL YOU FOUND I WAS POSTING AT HPANWO...WAS THIS THE BIGGEST BUNGLE YOU AND YOUR ILK MADE,I KNOW SO,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,F*CK YOU....
ALL THIS JUST TO RAISE YOUR READERSHIP...IF YOU WERE'NT SUCH A SPASTIC,YOU'D STILL BE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE,THE DAVID ICKE FORUMS...NER,NER,NER,NER

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection

...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...

true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...

Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.

DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...

Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:Nothing 'private' about this, 'you' 'ninny nong'...

So, which is it?
"Billy Ruben" makes a serious threat, or, he's all lying talk?

From Billy Ruben To true lilly, Today at 4:28 pm
____________________________________________________________________

true lilly wrote:
So, you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:
"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.
_____________________________________________________________________

quote:Billy Ruben


your a goner mate...
_____________________________________________________________________

Either way...'you & Ciggy' simply shouldn't have spammed, my one thread,
with 'you & Ciggy's' endless public 'conversations' about 'you & Ciggy's'
'beliefs' on when a child is too young or too related to lust after, and then
stepped up 'your' phone and on line harassment, when I asked 'you', again,
to remove that, utterly sick, way off topic, 'conversation' of 'yours',
from my thread, that was 'chopped up' to have 'those conversations'
of 'you & Ciggy', head and end the pages, as if it where my topic...and then cry,
rant, libel, make endless personal threats and try to sound like 'you'
AND 'your' supportive ASSOCIATES are 'good guys'.

Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

this is what I mean't you're a goner,you think I'd martyr you...hehehehe,that's how you think,idiot,no,a living permanenet death...I destroyed every credible shred you ever had or beLIEved you had.

This is what I am had to say,the truth...you're a disgusting spiteful shitbag of a person Suzy Ryan...if I get a chance,I'll f*ck you over in court
...Alison won't even show Ozpixie your stuff and I don't blame her,Ozpixie to me was like an Aussie Antiem,a very nice young lady,but Antiem shocked me with her strengths,I always thought Ozpixie was a little softy,like Curtain Cat,very lovely girls...You spiteful stale withered shitbag of a woman,I HATE you properly now...and have no shame in how I treat you,exactly how I treat demons,what I say to them,made them weep...you I will break...I am an old demon in transition,anything that tries stopping me in future,I'll swat,as I do to roaches...

the only thing being threatened is what little credibilty you think you had...call the police,go on,dare you,send your bald headed mate up,I'm in pretty good shape compared to yesterday.F*CK YOU!!!

sucked in...you make me ill...


True Lilly,puts her foot in it:

Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

Thankyou Suzy,that's exactly what I said,spam a True Lilly shitbox thread to make it interesting and you get painted as a child molester...exactly what I've been saying.

The only disappointing aspect,is you're proving me dead-on with no effort needed,this is all to easy...


THIS SUPER-SPAM CAN BE ALOT OF FUN AND ANNOYANCE,THANKYOU TRUE LILLY,FOR INTIATING ME IN THE SCHOOL OF SECRET ARTS...

Billy Ruben wrote:yeah,we remember the car-bombing,you lied and bullshitted about that one too...and sent us a pic of some woman walking a dog as proof,yeah,credible honest god fearing suzy fuckwit ryan...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW THAT YOU SLYLY ADMIT YOU'RE TORTURING THOSE CATS IN YOUR YARD,LIKE I ALWAYS SUSPECT A PATHETIC SLAG LIKE YOU TO DO,JUST TO UPSET ME,WELL F*CK YOU SUZY RYAN,A CAT'S LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN A 1000 OF YOURS,I DON'T CARE WHO SEES THIS OR DISGUSTED WITH ME OR EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT,BUT I SWEAR,I'LL CATCH UP WITH YOU AND TEACH YOU WHAT PAIN IS...I SPENT 4 HOURS ON THE NET,LAST NIGHT USING THE WHITE PAGES,BITCH LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A REGISTERED ADDRESS ON A NORMAL PHONE LINE,SO YEAH,I' NOT TAKING YOUR SHIT THIS TIME...FUCKING DIE BITCH...

GINGER AND WHITE CATS I LOVE AND ADORE,I WAS LAST YEAR,GOING TO DRIVE THERE JUST TO TAKE ONE OR TWO OFF YOUR HANDS...BUT F*CK YOU...YOU DEAD TO ME...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Hi shitbag scumbucket.Cause you were spiteful spamming unrelate crap this morning and my little modem packed in,I just had a friend/connection replace modem,line filter,all chords and Now I'm going to be a bastard and spam the fuck out of this place.Sod was warned and he can't do shit about it,so suck my dick you dog raping,child porn freak...and you admitted you have child porn and JD John Drake/Droike plays moral card one day and defends a known and self confessed pervert the next day.Enjoy the Federal Police babe,cause they're next babe...FUCK YOU BITCH !!!!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:

I was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5 days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me away after the hoax rape fiasco.

Of course I was sane,even the nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt with a patient a victim of the same group.

But don't say I didn't warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.

Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.

And I know you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.

Now,enjoy the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I love you.

Billy Ruben wrote:

And when you decide to take a long stroll or go shopping,it's best to have every time-table for buses and trains,like I did.I escaped and went home for bongs,sex and real food.And a shower I did'nt need to wear footwear in.Seeing this horrible old 70 year old,squashing a shit down the drain hole of the shower.I was disgusted.Lock your shower door,or the fat brunette,who offered me free rent and a share in her house,came running in,sucking on my flaccid penis,the shampoo,blinding me at the very right second,almost,comical.I was scared of her.And always knock,before you enter any room,this horrible looking man,said I'm the Butterfly,just as hs started to ejaculate all over the back of the door from fast and furious wanking...be warned.It's gonna be fun.

Billy Ruben wrote:Keep credit cards,ATM savings cards and all electronic ways of getting money,home,or hidden in your pants.They usually keep it in a safe and only allow you $15 a day back in 2002.Do not wear jewellery,rings,wedding or any sort.Keep valuables at home,or safety deposit box.

Billy Ruben wrote:

and keep your stupid fucking beliefs to yourself,OK...

Billy Ruben wrote:There is a forum admin here,named Sod/Julian.He's over 35,looks like a demonic version of Sting,Pommy (English),loves a night on the booze and drugs,which on average,makes him a lazy bastard.Like most western men are.Spoilt fuckin' rotten I say.But he'll find his runners,when he's conscripted for Asian battlefields,soon enough.I mean,if the bastard could use an iron lung to assist breathing,he would.It means,he hardly ever moderates,bit picky on who he answers PM's,real bitch.

However,there is a very skilled,rather energetic,smart and sassy,unbiased world wide women here,named Tiswas.

She's spiritual,understanding,gives good debates and I believe,quite unbiased in all matters concerning Icke.Offers the olive branch to those who foolishly,troll and attempt to sway her to the dark side.

This rare lady of light,with all her wisdom and knowledge,would be a great assett to the forums administration and I believe she is the answer to cleaning up the spam wars we have here,for which I trully,hand on heart apologise for my own involvement.

I hope the current admin,the one who needs a iron lung to breathe,maybe consider this idea as one of the few rare instances that I could conceive,that has a small amount of merit.

If anyone feels the idea should be lobbied to our admin,please raise your concerns here.

Thankyou to the forum for your time and consideration,yours sincerely,Billy Ruben.

Billy Ruben wrote:I am sure,in the name of freedom of speech,that Droike,Marpat and True Lilly,their futures would be safe,in the hands of Tiswas.

Not so with Mr Ruben,who would Nazi there arses and relegate them to a new sub-forum,called The Gas Chamber.

Be lucky,that true lights like Tiswas exist.







For I stand for Half-Caste pride,a Nazi and proud of it!!!!

true lilly wrote:

LADY TIS-SHINE wrote:BASTARDS THE LOT OF YOU!!! What has happened in all this is that Pamela
instead of talking to Icke with dignity has only gone and run to The
Daily Mail with a story to sell for money!!! Bitch, and she will not
succeed in that court action against Icke I know of it. Anyway whilst I
was in the Icke forum, I noticed that Marpat was 'ON WARNING' ha ha ha
ha ha.
Anyway Sean my love, if you are listening to this, please make me active again in the Icke forum cos it is upsetting the likes of the IL forum that I am in that forum and they are not. You are a good man and keep up the good work.
The
Daily Mail is going to have some sort of vendetta against Icke, I sense
it and I see it is going to turn like it was like that campaign the DM
did against the Moonies (which incidentally did a lot for humanity). Father Moon was a misunderstood man, and True Lilly, stop trolling the threads with nonsense which is irrevelant to the topic OK!!! TinTin my arse.

LADY TIS-SHINE
ALL SELLING THE SAME SNAKE OIL, FOR THE SAME BEAST

btw, it isn't 'trolling' when one knows what one is looking for.
That's called retrieving information.
And knowing what "tintin" has spewed over the years
FOR 'Them' Who Peddle ICKEST TYPE RELIGIONS,
it was as easy as Googling:
"no one expects the spanish inquisition expect david icke".

true lilly wrote:

McKallisti
Of The Sods wrote:

goldenprince wrote: the controlled version david puts
out or you are not 'awake' and will be called a sheeple, shill, mentally
ill or a government agent,

True Dat...



See Here...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060500127#post1060500127

eternal spirit wrote:

Originally Posted by largejack

You have to laugh though don't you?

She just wants to get on with her life... What by doing a hitpiece with a newspaper that hates Icke????

By the way watch out for goldenprince on there, he's disinfo if ever I saw one?

Someone using that name used to post here he was banned a while ago.

Empty's Theme Park

A thirty- five six year old non-female Canadian
with a passion for pretty things, comic books and pop culture.
Tries to be funny sometimes.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
http://idsploder.tumblr.com/ask

tintin wrote:
27-07-2008, 02:22 PM
#6657

Spanish INQUISITION
is coming.

The one world religion.



When I google WILLEM ALEXANDER I now get this
pic as the first one.
A completely marked WILLEM ALEXANDER of ORANGE.

The MARK of the BEAST.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=552752#post552752
GREEN DRAGON and castle


Dutch Royal boat.
GREEN DRAGON

WILLEM ALEXANDER was raised at DRACO CASTLE.
GREEN DRAGON and a CASTLE.....



Coat of arms THORN
GREEN DRAGON
This is the ANTI-CHRIST.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=85


The Prince of ORANGE
on his ship
THE GREEN DRAGON.

Now look at the weapon of FC PORTO.



A GREEN DRAGON ON TOP.

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:
'Ninjas' shadowing anti-whaling ships


2:36PM
Alison McMeekin

A SHIP carrying armed Japanese "ninjas"
are shadowing two anti-whaling vessels
into Australian waters, activists say.

Australians 'held as prisoners' by Japanese whaling authorities

Government negotiates with Japanese for release of Australians
by: Matt Johnston
From: Herald Sun
January 09, 2012 12:00AM

Sea Shepherd activists Glen Pendlebury, Geoffrey Tuxworth and Simon Peterffy
have been captured by Japanese whalers.
Herald Sun

THREE anti-whaling activists who boarded a Japanese whaler
are being held on the ship as the Gillard Government negotiates
for their release.

Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said "all options" were being considered.

Geoffrey Tuxworth, Simon Peterffy and Glen Pendlebury boarded the Japanese
whaling ship Shonan Maru 2 off the coast of Western Australia using the
cover of darkness, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society said.

The Sea Shepherd and Forest Rescue environmental groups joined forces
to smuggle the men on board.

A Sea Shepherd statement says the men delivered a message: "Return us to
shore in Australia and then remove yourself from our waters."

"Three Australian citizens are being held as prisoners on board the Japanese vessel," the statement says.

The Shonan Maru 2 had been tailing Sea Shepherd's Steve Irwin, causing tensions to rise between the two groups.

Ms Roxon said the boarding of the Japanese vessel happened outside
Australian territorial waters, which limited the Government's legal
options.

Ms Roxon said the Government would enter talks with Japan
to see if the men could be brought ashore.

"From an Australian perspective, our top priority is making sure that Australian citizens are safe," she said.

Ms Roxon said it was a "complex legal situation".

"International laws make clear that the most likely jurisdiction will be Japanese domestic law," she said.

Opposition environment spokesman Greg Hunt said the Government had ignored
warnings there could be a confrontation between whalers and protesters.

He called for a Customs vessel to be sent to the area, and for the
Government to act swiftly to bring the activists back to shore.

"The Government must seek an immediate handover of the protesters to Australian authorities," Mr Hunt said.
johnstonm@heraldsun.com.au

true lilly wrote:Brown slams surveillance of green activists
Updated: January 07, 2012 13:30:36


Photo:Greens leader Bob Brown says the Government is spying on community groups.
(Alan Porritt: AAP)
Map: Australia

Greens leader Bob Brown has accused
Federal Resources Minister Martin Ferguson
of turning Australia into a police state,
after reports he pushed for increased surveillance
of environmental activists.

A report in Fairfax newspapers details documents,
obtained under Freedom of Information laws, that show
Mr Ferguson requested additional monitoring of
anti-coal mining groups and other environmental groups.

Senator Brown claims coal and fossil fuel companies pressured Mr Ferguson into having
the federal police spy on environment groups who protest against energy companies.

Senator Brown says tens of thousands of dollars of taxpayers' money is being spent
having private contractors monitor activists.
"That paying of private corporations to spy on community groups is an abuse
of taxpayers' money," he said.

"Martin Ferguson should never have been allowed to promote that and
it should be stopped. "The Attorney-General, if not the Prime Minister,
should see that it stops immediately."

A spokeswoman for Mr Ferguson says governments are concerned with
maintaining energy security.

She says this includes maintaining the rule of law and energy supply,
where issues-motivated groups seek to engage in unlawful activity.

Topics:
activism-and-lobbying,
government-and-politics,
greens,
environment,
australia
First posted: January 07, 2012 13:10:39

LADY
TIS-SHINE wrote:Pearl Harbour for the Aussie Whales eh? Anyway why the hell
do you not post your crap in your section of forum and anyway if they
want to eat whale meat, then who are you to stop them. It seems to me,
that only a whale will find any interest in what you are writing down.

true lilly wrote:15-5-2008
#4937

(AUST.)Government
to get tough on
Patagonian toothfish
poachers
by Peter O'Connor
Environmental News Network,
Associated Press
01 October 2002

Australia will aggressively crack down on poachers
of the endangered Patagonian toothfish
with tougher fines, new international agreements,
and a new patrol boat, the government said Monday.

Federal Conservation Minister Sen. Ian McDonald said
the government was tired of seeing sophisticated international
syndicates plundering the endangered fish
from Australian waters,
and the Cabinet recently approved extra funds to
mount a blitz on the poachers.

"Our careful management of the fish stocks is of no avail
if people can just come in and raid and plunder our fisheries,"
McDonald said.

Found in remote southern waters
dominated by
Australia's marine economic zone,
the fish's flaky white flesh is prized
in restaurants in Japan, the United States,
Canada, and the European Union.

Read more at http://enn.com/news/wire ... 48578.asp.
But this isn't really a sidetrack, just more support
for the case we've been making; "THEY" HIDE
KEYS that UNLOCK HIDDEN TRUTH.

See, OZZIES are VERY ACTIVE in those
EXTREMELY SOUTHERN OCEANS..."protecting"
fish & whales...MY SKINNY LITTLE ARSE!

tintin wrote:BONANZA adressed RACISM. Uniquely for that time
Quote:

Bigotry, and specifically anti-semitism, was the subject of the episode "Look to the Stars" (Season 3, Episode 26; original air date 18/3/62).

ANTISEMITISM was the subject of episode 92.
It was aired on 18 MARCH, birthday AJAX AMSTERDAM aka THE JEWS.
Episode 92 was LOOK TO THE STARS. (of DAVID)

PAKISTAN, code 92. Founded by JINNAH, dead 11 SEPTEMBER.
BEN CARTWRIGHT played by LORNE GREENE, dead 11 SEPTEMBER
BIN LADEN dead in PAKISTAN.
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Now let me draw your attention, with some underlines and
blue and red font, to what can NOT be passed off as a typo, mistake,
or any of 'their' cover stories used when 'they' are busted.

26. Yet he 'plays down' and 'hides behind' bigger red font, 62,
then proceeds to CHANGE 26 to 92?

And, keeping in mind how 'flexible' "tintin/cori" are with "their"
flipping, reversing, shuffling and changing of LETTERS and NUMBERS
(like 'making' 26 'mean' 'NEDA DEAD' 'from' a "206" Peugeot that she
was NOT EVEN IN, when SNIPER SHOT TO DEATH), in order to "SAY
WHAT 'THEY' SECRETLY MEAN"... 9+2=11...
...read on:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060511098&postcount=33449
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3345
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BONANZA adressed RACISM. Uniquely for that time
Quote:

Bigotry, and specifically anti-semitism, was the subject of the episode "Look to the Stars" (Season 3, Episode 26; original air date 18/3/62).

ANTISEMITISM was the subject of episode 92.
It was aired on 18 MARCH, birthday AJAX AMSTERDAM aka THE JEWS.
Episode 92 was LOOK TO THE STARS. (of DAVID)

PAKISTAN, code 92. Founded by JINNAH, dead 11 SEPTEMBER.
BEN CARTWRIGHT played by LORNE GREENE, dead 11 SEPTEMBER
BIN LADEN dead in PAKISTAN.

true lilly wrote:

you like to spam other peoples Thread with off topic bullshit? Have a taste of your own medicine.............

true lilly wrote: .......

................... . . . . .
And as I've also always stated, I KNOW GOD
HAS ALWAYS had
HIS 'CALLED OUT' doing their parts, big and small (and often,
not being aware of it at the time), in FULFILLING HIS PROMISES.

Barnacle Bill wrote: It's definitely not you , you New Age Neo Pagan Neo Nazi.........you're exactly like David Icke.a sufferer of the Nacissistic Personality Disorder.....you mislead the gullible......................................Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), an overwhelming need for admiration, and usually a complete lack of empathy toward others. People with this disorder often believe they are of primary importance in everybody's life or to anyone they meet. While this pattern of behavior may be appropriate for a king in 16th Century England, it is generally considered inappropriate for most ordinary people today.

People with narcissistic personality disorder often display snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes. For example, an individual with this disorder may complain about a clumsy waiter's "rudeness" or "stupidity" or conclude a medical evaluation with a condescending evaluation of the physician.

In laypeople terms, someone with this disorder may be described simply as a "narcissist" or as someone with "narcissism." Both of these terms generally refer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder.................•Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
•Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
•Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
•Requires excessive admiration
•Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
•Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
•Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
•Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
•Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.............


http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx36.htm

ANTISEMITISM

But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES....................The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM, is that it causes the TIME LINES of Human History
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED into a SHORT period
of THE LAST KINGDOM AGE PERU...pooped all over Israel...Israel walked...and all that power...
dried up...then...even greater than all that was...everywhere,
all over the Americas...was built in OZ...then...in their human
pride...Israel forgot God...

{YHWHs Covenant with Abraham/Israel is eternal...........He forgives them for their human foibles.here lilly is saying that YHWH is a liar and promise breaker...she promotes Church Replacement Theology..aNew age Neo Pagan fantasy.........)

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home&type=2
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=3&type=12

The hideous falsehood known as [u]replacement theology has been a cancer in theological circles for the past two millennia that just seems to refuse to go away. While replacement theology takes on different applications, and modes, it is a theology originated by the early non Jewish fathers of the so called "Christian Church". It coldly states that a new Rome centered, and Roman based ecclesiastical organization called "the church", is the "new Israel". This new Israel, would now forever replace Jewish Israel, since Yahuwah permanently rejected the Jews for killing their Messiah, His Son. Extreme proponents of replacement theology have even gone so far as to claim that Yahuwah, the mean, and cruel despot, was the Elohim of the Old Covenant Jews, as opposed to Yahshua who is the forever loving, kind, and compassionate Elohim who had REPLACED YAHUWAH AS LORD OF "THE CHURCH" OR THE SO CALLED "NEW ISRAEL". In other words, Yahshua’s people have replaced the Father’s people.

This hideous doctrine is by no means a small theological side issue to be argued in a local pub. It has been at the forefront of antisemitism, Judeo-phobia, and has fully provided fuel for tragic historical events such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Crusades, the ouster of the Jews from every European country, as well as the Nazi holocaust........................................

The Source of all that and more...and...
so...OZ was UTTERLY DEVASTATED...and Israel headed north...
and, scattered, mixed and mingled...over all the world...again...
to start re-gathering...some few hundred years ago...Back in...
The Home Land...promised...preserved...in O'Zion...to again...
better than ever...anywhere...anytime...Re-Plant & Re-Build..........................Ah, but I'm just "CRAZY" aren't I?

lilly, you said it yourself....you are crazy, batshit crazy..... ......... you are a crazed New age Neo Pagan Neo Nazi.......what you are doing is known as Eisegesis..the opposite of exegesis......

Definition of EISEGESIS
: the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas — compare exegesis

true lilly wrote: Now please, KNOW THIS:

If anyone of Authority, had have told me,
"shut up about Australia", during any of
the decades I've been asking these questions
and seeking real answers, I WOULD HAVE. But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, Israel/Zion "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ/Australia for
THEMSELVES!

One of the biggest cover-ups/False Flags in History is the massive misrepresentations/lies of and about the Jews. Their history, their beliefs, their culture etc.........

Over 300 years ago, King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great Christian philosopher, to give him proof of God. Pascal answered, “Why the Jews, your Majesty, the Jews!”
http://www.simpletoremember.com/arti...ewish-history/


Quote:
That the Jewish nation—such a tiny group of people—survived two thousand years of exile and persecution was nothing short of a supernatural phenomenon. Pascal wasn’t the only one who was so amazed by the survival of the Jewish people. Other thinkers, philosophers and historians have noticed something unusual about the Jews.

Mark Twain, an agnostic and self-acknowledged skeptic, penned this in 1899 in Harper’s Magazine:

“The Egyptian, Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away. The Greek and Roman followed, made a vast noise and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up, and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out and they sit in twilight now or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal, but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”....................4) Anti-Semitism
(TOP)

The term “anti-Semitism” itself is very curious. Why not refer to the hatred and persecution of Jews by more generic terms like religious bigotry, xenophobia, or racism? The Jews are the only group in the world with a unique term for their persecution. Why? The world seems to realize that anti-Semitism isn’t simply one more unfortunate example of hatred in the world, but is instead a phenomenon specific to the Jews.

There are four different aspects to anti-Semitism which characterize it as being a hatred like no other:

1) Universality
2) Intensity
3) Longevity
4) Irrationality

Universality:
The universal scope of anti-Semitism can be seen in the fact that Jews have been expelled from virtually every country in which they have resided. Jews were expelled from England in 1290, France in 1306 and 1394, Hungary in 1349 and 1360, Austria in 1421, from various places in Germany throughout the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries, from Lithuania in 1445 and 1495, Spain in 1492, Portugal in 1497, and from Bohemia and Moravia in 1744-45. Between the 15th and 18th centuries, Jews were not permitted to enter Russia, and when they were finally admitted, they were restricted to one area, the Pale of Settlement.

Parallel to these atrocities in Europe were various levels of anti-Semitism at the hands of the Arabs. From Islam’s inception in the 7th century, the Jews living in Arab countries were constantly made to feel like second-class citizens. Violent outbreaks sporadically occurred throughout the following 1300 years and reached a climax during the years 1948 and 1967. During that period, almost all of the Jews living in Aden, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Yemen, over 500,000 in all, were forced to flee, fearing for their lives, in the wake of pogroms, assaults and massacres.

Even as far away as Ethiopia, where a small community of Jews were cut off from the rest of the Jewish people for over 2000 years, we find evidence of persecution from the neighboring peoples. There has even been evidence of anti-Semitism in Japan—a country where virtually no Jews ever lived!
Jewish Persecution Timeline


Intensity:
The ultimate example is the Holocaust (acknowledged throughout the world as the ultimate manifestation of evil in all of history)—the only time an entire people (i.e., men, women and children) had a campaign of complete annihilation waged against them.


Longevity:
Most of the world’s great powers, even those with only a small percentage of Jews among them, regarded the Jews as a central enemy. This phenomenon began as early as the Greek persecutions of Jews during the Second Temple period. It continued with the late Roman Empire, the Arabs, and the Christian world for over 15 centuries (most notably with the frequent occurrence of blood libels all throughout the Middle Ages) and more recently with the Nazis and the Soviet Union, as well as the Arabs today.

FULL LIST OF EMPIRES AGAINST THE JEWS:
Egyptian Empire,
Chaldean Empire,
Babylonian Empire,
Greek Empire,
Roman Empire,
Byzantine Empire,
Spanish Empire,
Ottoman Turkish Empire,
British Empire,
Austro-Hungarian Empire,
German Empire,
French Empire,
Russia Empire,
Soviet Empire,
Nazi Empire

Irrationality:
We are the only people ever accused of “deicide” (killing a god)—this has been claimed as one of the major causes of anti-Semitism for almost 2000 years. Despite the fact that eating blood is as strong a prohibition as that against eating pork, Jews were constantly persecuted throughout the Middle Ages through blood libels, the charge that we drank the blood of non-Jewish children. We were attacked in pogroms for well-poisoning and once even for air-poisoning.

The Jews in Germany were accused of having brought Socialism and Communism to Germany, of being responsible for Germany losing World War I, and of causing the economic problems of the 1920’s. This paranoia existed in spite of the fact that the percentage of Jews in Germany at the time was only 0.8%. Many nations have even hurt themselves with their persecution of the Jews, most notably Spain (economically) and Germany (with science, culture, military, etc.).

A forgery purporting to be the conspiratorial discussions of Jewish elders plotting to take over the world, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was, next to the Bible, the best-selling book in the world during the 1920’s. It has since been printed in numerous languages. Since 1987 it is being widely distributed in Japan…

Of all the extreme fanaticism that plays havoc in man’s nature, there is none as irrational as anti-Semitism. The Jews cannot vindicate themselves in the eyes of these fanatics. If the Jews are rich, they are victims of theft and extortion. If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to gain advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared and anxious by nature or traitors to their country. If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so. - Lloyd George, 1923



Whatever we do, that is precisely what is cited as the reason for the hatred against us. At the same time that Jews in America were accused of being communists, Jews in Russia were being labeled as capitalists. The more one studies anti-Semitism, the more obvious it becomes that the innumerable “explanations” offered throughout the various societies in which Jews have resided are not reasons at all (i.e. whose absence would necessarily result in no more persecutions), but rather excuses.

But as my research into Jewish history progressed, I was surprised, depressed, and to some extent overwhelmed by the perpetual and irrational violence which pursued the Jews in every country and to almost every corner of the globe. If, therefore, persecution, expulsion, torture, humiliation, and mass murder haunt these pages, it is because they also haunt the Jewish story.
- Martin Gilbert, “Jewish History Atlas” Oxford 1985

It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews will be persecuted:

“Among those nations you shall find no respite, no rest for your foot. There God will make you cowardly, destroying your outlook and making life hopeless. You will live in constant suspense. Day and night, you will be terrified, never sure of your existence. In the morning you will say, ‘If only it were night,’ and in the evening you will say, ‘If only it were morning!’ Such will be the dread that your heart will feel and the sights that your eyes will see” (Deut. 28:65-67).

No other form of racial hatred comes close to anti-Semitism in its virulence, its intensity and its irrationality.

As Professor Michael Curtis of Rutgers University put it:

“The uniqueness of anti-Semitism lies in the fact that no other people in the world have ever been charged simultaneously with alienation from society and with cosmopolitanism, with being capitalistic exploiters and also revolutionary communist advocators. The Jews were accused of having an imperious mentality, at the same time they’re a people of the book. They’re accused of being militant aggressors, at the same time as being cowardly pacifists. With being a chosen people, and also having an inferior human nature. With both arrogance and timidity. With both extreme individualism and community adherence. With being guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus and at the same time held to account for the invention of Christianity.” (Colloquium on anti-Semitism, 1987)

If we look at the history of anti-Semitism, we see one unceasing chain of slaughter, pogroms, pillaging, expulsion, etc. There are horrendous levels of violence that lead up to the worst thing that can be done to a hated people: Genocide. Most nations in history have not been subjected to even one genocide. But in almost every generation there’s an attempted Jewish genocide somewhere in the world on a macrocosmic or microcosmic scale.
Jewish Persecution Timeline

The Jews started it all - and by "it" I mean so many of the things we care about, the underlying values that make all of us, Jew and Gentile, believer and atheist, tick. Without the Jews, we would see the world with different eyes, hear with different ears, even feel with different feelings. And not only would our sensorium, the screen through which we receive the world, be different: we would think with a different mind, interpret all our experience differently, draw different conclusions from the things that befall us. And we would set a different course for our lives.
By "we" I mean the usual "we" of late-twentieth-century writing: the people of the Western world, whose peculiar but vital mentality has come to infect every culture on earth, so that, in a startlingly precise sense, all humanity is now willy-nilly caught up in this "we." For better or worse, the role of the West in humanity's history is singular. Because of this, the role of the Jews, the inventors of Western culture, is also singular: there is simply no one else remotely like them; theirs is a unique vocation. Indeed, as we shall see, the very idea of vocation, of a personal destiny, is a Jewish idea.

Our history is replete with examples of those who have refused to see what the Jews are really about, who - through intellectual blindness, racial chauvinism, xenophobia, or just plain evil - have been unable to give this oddball tribe, this raggle-taggle band, this race of wanderers who are the progenitors of the Western world, their due. Indeed, at the end of this bloodiest of centuries, we can all too easily look back on scenes of unthinkable horror perpetrated by those who would do anything rather than give the Jews their due.

But I must ask my readers to erase from their minds not only the horrors of history - modern, medieval, and ancient - but (so far as one can) the very notion of history itself. More especially, we must erase from our minds all the suppositions on which our world is built - the whole intricate edifice of actions and ideas that are our intellectual and emotional patrimony. We must reimagine ourselves in the form of humanity that lived and moved on this planet before the first word of the Bible was written down, before it was spoken, before it was even dreamed ...

... All evidence points to there having been, in the earliest religious thought, a vision of the cosmos that was profoundly cyclical. The assumptions that early man made about the world were, in all their essentials, little different from the assumptions that later and more sophisticated societies, like Greece and India, would make in a more elaborate manner. As Henri-Charles Puech says of Greek thought in his seminal Man and Time: "No event is unique, nothing is enacted but once ... every event has been enacted, is enacted, and will be enacted perpetually; the same individuals have appeared, appear, and will appear at every turn of the circle."

The Jews were the first people to break out of this circle, to find a new way of thinking and experiencing, a new way of understanding and feeling the world, so much so that it may be said with some justice that theirs is the only new idea that human beings have ever had. But their world view has become so much a part of us that at this point it might as well have been written into our cells as a genetic code. We find it so impossible to shed - even for a brief experiment - that it is now the cosmic vision of all other peoples that appears to us exotic and strange.


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Adapted with permission of the publisher from A History of the Jews, by Paul Johnson (HarperCollins, New York, 1987, p. 585; http://www.harpercollins.com).
In his Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus describes Abraham as 'a man of great sagacity' who had 'higher notions of virtue than others of his time'. He therefore 'determined to change completely the views which all then had about God'. One way of summing up 4,000 years of Jewish history is to ask ourselves what would have happened to the human race if Abraham had not been a man of great sagacity, or if he had stayed in Ur and kept his higher notions to himself, and no specific Jewish people had come into being. Certainly the world without the Jews would have been a radically different place. Humanity might have eventually stumbled upon all the Jewish insights. But we cannot be sure. All the great conceptual discoveries of the intellect seem obvious and inescapable once they have been revealed, but it requires a special genius to formulate them for the first time. The Jews had this gift. To them we owe the idea of equality before the law, both divine and human; of the sanctity of life and the dignity of the human person; of the individual conscience, and so of personal redemption; of the collective conscience, and so of social responsibility; of peace as an abstract ideal and love as the foundation of justice, and many other items that constitute the basic moral furniture of the human mind. Without the Jews it might have been a much emptier place. Above all, the Jews taught us how to rationalize the unknown. The result was monotheism...



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Adapted with permission of the publisher from On Two Wings: Humble Faith and Common Sense at the American Founding, by Michael Novak (Encounter Books, San Francisco, CA, 2002, pp. 8-12; http://www.encounterbooks.com).
"The Bible was the one book that literate Americans in the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries could be expected to know well," Robert Bellah has written. "Biblical imagery provided the basic framework for imaginative thought in America up until quite recent times and, unconsciously, its control is still formidable." As a design for the Seal of the United States, Jefferson suggested "a representation of the children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night." He later concluded his second inaugural address with this same image: "I shall need ... the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life." The image of "God's American Israel" made available four fresh perspectives, brought to intense focus by the Americans in a new and historically original way.

The first of these new perspectives was a narrative of purpose and progress. The Gentiles of the ancient world believed in cycles of time as regular (they thought) as the circular movements of the stars. They believed in eternal recurrence. But the Americans of 1770-1799 did not believe that time is cyclical, going nowhere, spinning in circles pointlessly. They believed that history had a beginning and was guided by Providence for a purpose... Time (in the view of the founders) was created for the unfolding of human liberty, for human emancipation. This purpose requires humans to choose for or against building cities worthy of the ideals God sets before them: liberty, justice, equality, self-government, and brotherhood...

... History, in this sense - open, purposive, contingent in liberty - is not a Greek or Roman idea. It is Hebraic; its source springs from the Biblical historians and prophets. Probably most of the humans who had ever lived before the arrival of Judaism on the world stage never even heard of "progress." The literature of Greece and Rome looks backwards, to golden ages of the past; the movement of time is circular. For Jews and Christians, by contrast, history is heading somewhere new: toward the New Kingdom of God, a kingdom of justice and love and peace, a new city on a hill...

... Second, Hebrew metaphysics held that everything in creation in all its workings and purposes is intelligible - suffused with reason, not absurd - in the eyes of a divine and loving Creator, Who created from nothing everything that is, and saw that it was good, and loved it; a Creator Who is more powerful than earthquakes, floods, erupting volcanos, hurricanes or anything else in the world, and different from them. One should not mistake this God for any part of His creation - as the Mayan Indians seem to have done, identifying God with rain and snakes and frogs and jackals (powerful forces in the dark, all of them). On the one hand, the world is not in itself divine. On the other, its Creator cannot be touched, tasted, heard, seen, or smelled. The Creator is independent of the world; therefore, the world can be looked into, investigated, and experimented with without infringing on His divinity. Strictly speaking, the Creator is beyond human categories, cannot be expressed in words that are like other words, imagined from the things of this world, or named as other things are named. He is not part of the material world. Seeking Him, it is better to aim one's mind in the direction of Spirit and Truth rather than matter, toward an Ineffable One Whom we do not name...

...Third, cherishing humble and weak things most of all, the Creator made at least two creatures to know Him, to love Him, and in total freedom (and not as slaves) to walk with Him - "male and female, He made them" (Genesis 1:27). "The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time," Jefferson wrote summarizing the Biblical metaphysic. Liberty is the human condition established by the Bible, nearly every chapter of which turns upon its axis. What will Adam, King David, Peter, Saul, do next? Liberty is the axis of the universe, the ground of the possibility of love, human and divine... Moreover, the American tradition clearly distinguished a false idea of liberty - license - from the true liberty exercised in reflection and deliberate choice. Despite this high calling, men and women fail often, are vulnerable to human weakness, and are in want of checks and balances against their frailties.

Fourth, in Hebrew metaphysics the brief span of a human life is experienced as a time of suffering, testing whether humans can remain faithful to God's purposes in creating them - whether we will (or will not) show grace under pressure. In the Bible, the bright red thread of human history is not just liberty but liberty on trial...

...This drama of liberty gave birth to two "whig" theories of history, one Protestant and one Catholic. Nowadays, even secular people interpret history in the light of progress, rights, and liberty. Yet unbelievers received these concepts neither from the Greeks and Romans nor from Enlightened Reason, but via the preaching of Jesus Christ, from whom the Gentiles learned the essential outlook of the Hebrews: that the Creator gave humans a special place among all other creatures, and made them free, and endowed them with incomparable responsibility and dignity.

This sequence of related conceptions - that time had a beginning and is measured for progress (or decline) by God's standards; that everything in the world is intelligible, and that to inquire, invent, and discover is an impulse of faith as well as of reason; that the Creator endowed us with liberty and inviolable dignity, while the Divine Judge shows concern for the weak and the humble; that life is a time of duty and trial; and that history is to be grasped as the drama of human liberty - all these are the background that make sense of the Declaration of Independence. America and Israel, the first Israel and the second, shed light on each other...

“I will insist the Hebrews have [contributed] more to civilize men than any other nation. If I was an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations ... They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this Earth. The Romans and their empire were but a bubble in comparison to the Jews. They have given religion to three-quarters of the globe and have influenced the affairs of mankind more and more happily than any other nation, ancient or modern.”

- John Adams, Second President of the United States
(From a letter to F. A. Van der Kemp [Feb. 16, 1808] Pennsylvania Historical Society)

http://www.simpletoremember.com/arti...pactofthejews/

Do any of you understand the concept of Abstract Ethical Monotheism?

“This is an exceedingly strange development, unexpected by all but the theologians. They have always accepted the word of the Bible: In the beginning God created heaven and earth… [But] for the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; [and] as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

- Robert Jastrow
(God and the Astronomers [New York: W.W. Norton and Co., 1978], 116. Professor Jastrow was the founder of NASA’s Goddard Institute, now director of the Mount Wilson Institute and its observatory.)


”...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”

- Mark Twain
(“Concerning The Jews,” Harper’s Magazine, 1899
see The Complete Essays of Mark Twain, Doubleday [1963] pg. 249)


“if we were forced to choose just one, there would be no way to deny that Judaism is the most important intellectual development in human history.”
- David Gelernter, Yale University Professor



“The preservation of the Jews is really one of the most signal and illustrious acts of divine Providence… and what but a supernatural power could have preserved them in such a manner as none other nation upon earth hath been preserved. Nor is the providence of God less remarkable in the destruction of their enemies, than in their preservation… We see that the great empires, which in their turn subdued and oppressed the people of God, are all come to ruin… And if such hath been the fatal end of the enemies and oppressors of the Jews, let it serve as a warning to all those, who at any time or upon any occasion are for raising a clamor and persecution against them.”

- Thomas Newton - British Clergyman: Bishop of Bristol (1704-1782)


“For many people during many centuries, mankind’s history before the coming of Christianity was the history of the Jews and what they recounted of the history of others. Both were written down in the books called the Old Testament, [the Torah] the sacred writings of the Jewish people ... They were the first to arrive at an abstract notion of God and to forbid his representation by images. No other people has produced a greater historical impact from such comparatively insignificant origins and resources ...”
- J.M. Roberts, History Of The World



Intolerance lies at the core of evil.
Not the intolerance that results
from any threat or danger.
But intolerance of another being who dares to exist.
Intolerance without cause. It is so deep within us,
because every human being secretly desires
the entire universe to himself.
Our only way out is to learn
compassion without cause. To care for each other
simple because that ‘other’ exists.
- Rabbi Menachem Mendle

This people are not eminent solely by their antiquity, but are also singular by their duration, which has always continued from their origin till now. For, whereas the nations of Greece and of Italy, of Lacedaemon, of Athens and of Rome, and others who came long after, have long since perished, these ever remain, and in spite of the endeavors of many powerful kings who have a hundred times tried to destroy them, as their historians testify, and as it is easy to conjecture from the natural order of things during so long a space of years, they have nevertheless been preserved (and this preservation has been foretold); and extending from the earliest times to the latest, their history comprehends in its duration all our histories (which it preceded by a long time).
- Pensees by Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Encyclopedia Britannica, 1952 - Paragraph 620, p. 285


“Certainly, the world without the Jews would have been a radically different place. Humanity might have eventually stumbled upon all the Jewish insights. But we cannot be sure. All the great conceptual discoveries of the human intellect seem obvious and inescapable once they had been revealed, but it requires a special genius to formulate them for the first time. The Jews had this gift. To them we owe the idea of equality before the law, both divine and human; of the sanctity of life and the dignity of human person; of the individual conscience and so a personal redemption; of collective conscience and so of social responsibility; of peace as an abstract ideal and love as the foundation of justice, and many other items which constitute the basic moral furniture of the human mind. Without Jews it might have been a much emptier place.”

- Paul Johnson
(Christian historian, author of A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity)


“This one book (the Bible) ... has attracted to it, and had concentrated on it, vastly more thought and has called forth more works, explanatory, illustrative, apologetic, upon its text, its meaning, its geography, its theology, its chronology, its evidences, its inspiration, its origin, than all the rest of the literature of the world put together. An immense bulk of the world’s literature owes its origin to this book.”
- Carlyle B Heynes in The Bible, Is it a True Book


“What is the Jew?...What kind of unique creature is this whom all the rulers of all the nations of the world have disgraced and crushed and expelled and destroyed; persecuted, burned and drowned, and who, despite their anger and their fury, continues to live and to flourish. What is this Jew whom they have never succeeded in enticing with all the enticements in the world, whose oppressors and persecutors only suggested that he deny (and disown) his religion and cast aside the faithfulness of his ancestors?!
The Jew - is the symbol of eternity. ... He is the one who for so long had guarded the prophetic message and transmitted it to all mankind. A people such as this can never disappear.
The Jew is eternal. He is the embodiment of eternity.”

- Leo Tolstoy
(What is the Jew?
quoted in The Final Resolution, pg. 189, printed in Jewish World periodical, 1908)


“Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.”


It is against their own insoluble problem of being human that the dull and base in humanity are in revolt in anti-Semitism. Judaism, nevertheless, together with Hellenism and Christianity is an inalienable component of our Christian Western civilization, the eternal “call to Sinai” against which humanity again and again rebels.”
- Herman Rauschning, The Beast From the Abyss, pp. 155-56

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Almost all Jews (99%) are infact Zionists, but the definition Zionists (and infact almost all Jewish anti-Zionists) themselves use. If you use an antisemitic defintion such as Zionism as Racist you can of course invent statistics as you please. However you may as well declare Jews to be organges for all the meaning that has. It is unfortunate that a few sites, mostly antisemitic ones such as Serendipity link to the sites of the Satmar and Neturei Karta and try to spin a narrative of Zionists being a minority of Jews. It's unfortunate both because people believe it and get their facts wrong, but also becuase of the antisemitism they spread, antisemitism that those who wish to draw a destinction between the minority called Jews and the "evil entity" they have been attacking called Zionism are more than susceptible to.


If you would bother to read actual, credentialed History books, you would know that the Khazari Nation never converted to Judaism............the Royal Family did(King Bula), but the population largely remained Pagan, Dendrists, Animists, polytheists....

The Facts are: Israel is more legitimate then many other Nations, The Jews in Israel are genetically decended from the Ancient Israelites.....The Arabs suffer more oppression and mistreatment from other arabs......

You've bought into too much antisemitic propaganda..............in this Thread you have called me a Dog, A Rat, and a Whore.........your judgements based on false beliefs..........YOU are the threat to peace, you are the fearmongering, hatemongering liar............

Here's the question: anti-Zionist or non-Zionist, is there a difference? The answer is yes. A Zionist is someone who supports the existance of a State of Israel as a Jewish Home Land (where Jews and others can live). A non-Zionist is one is not a Zionist. An anti-Zionist is someone who activly disputes the fact that Israel has a right to exist. Note that this is not the same as disagreeing with one or more Israeli government policies, it's more like supporting the President of Iran's calls to wipe Israel off the map. One can disagree with the actions of Israel as a state without being against the state's right to exist, and the right of the Jewish people to have their home land. Often though anti-Zionism is a mask for antisemitism and anti-Zionists will regurgitate antisemitic propoganda that was used in Nazi Germany, just changing "Zionist" or "Jew". Arguments against "the Zionists" as often supported by "evidence" from antisemitic propoganda such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or through classic antisemitism such as blood liable. There is a huge difference between speaking out against Israeli policy you disagree with and falling in with a racist crowd and adopting their arguments.

Diaspora Jews, on the whole, support Zionism in one way or another through active participation in aspects of the movement itself, or through public and/or financial support of Israel.

Some Diaspora Jews realize their belief in Zionism by immigrating to the Land of Israel (making 'aliyah' - "going up") to participate directly in the task of rebuilding the nation.

Diaspora Jews, whether or not associated with Zionist activities, have been enriched culturally, socially and spiritually by the reestablishment of Israel in its ancestral homeland. Even non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews find Israel an excellent place for Torah study