Going, going ...

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:She says posting via phone is more difficult than anything in the world, and yet she has no problem spamming.

IDIOT + ... FREE, THINKING READERS KNOW 'YOU' MOB SPAM THE SAME PROVEN LIES, ALL OVER 'YOUR' WORLD WIDE WEB, IN THE TIME IT TAKES ME TO, TRY, TO GET ONE TEXT POST SENT, IN THIS DEN OF SELF CONFESSED DEMON WORSHIPPERS, who REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT THE SAME PROVEN, FILTH & LIES. So it's NOT MY FAULT, that the replies I HAVE TO KEEP SHORT ENOUGH TO SAVE BEFORE THEY'RE 'VANISHED' (JUST AS MY REPLY VANISHED FROM THE LAST POST, DURING 6 ATTEMPTS TO GET IT SENT), FIT THE SAME OLD CRAP, 'YOU' MOBS STUPIDLY think REPEATING WITH NO SUPPORTING FACTS, somehow gives 'you' MOB cred.

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:She says posting via phone is more difficult than anything in the world, and yet she has no problem spamming.

Ciggy wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:She says posting via phone is more difficult than anything in the world, and yet she has no problem spamming.

IDIOT + ... FREE, THINKING READERS KNOW 'YOU' MOB SPAM THE SAME PROVEN LIES, ALL OVER 'YOUR' WORLD WIDE WEB, IN THE TIME IT TAKES ME TO, TRY, TO GET ONE TEXT POST SENT, IN THIS DEN OF SELF CONFESSED DEMON WORSHIPPERS, who REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT THE SAME PROVEN, FILTH & LIES. So it's NOT MY FAULT, that the replies I HAVE TO KEEP SHORT ENOUGH TO SAVE BEFORE THEY'RE 'VANISHED' (JUST AS MY REPLY VANISHED FROM THE LAST POST, DURING 6 ATTEMPTS TO GET IT SENT), FIT THE SAME OLD CRAP, 'YOU' MOBS STUPIDLY think REPEATING WITH NO SUPPORTING FACTS, somehow gives 'you' MOB cred.

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:She says posting via phone is more difficult than anything in the world, and yet she has no problem spamming.

Every time you cock up your attempts to spam, you blame it on some illuminaughty conspiracy to prevent you from being a nutter. It's just nonsensical the things you claim.

Ciggy wrote:She might have an excuse too if she got gang-shagged at a freakmason lodge in her long ago distant youth. Things truly were "don't kiss and tell" in those days, must've driven her mad.

The presence of the madness today must be explained somehow. Alternatively it could simply be some toxicity in her water supply.

Billy Ruben wrote:

Ciggy wrote:She might have an excuse too if she got gang-shagged at a freakmason lodge in her long ago distant youth. Things truly were "don't kiss and tell" in those days, must've driven her mad.

The presence of the madness today must be explained somehow. Alternatively it could simply be some toxicity in her water supply.

when you said that the other night,I went quiet,cause you can see these things real well in people.I'd say you would've handled my situation much better.You would've been a good big brother,as long as you don't lead them down the bad path.

Billy Ruben wrote:
Maybe you being so forward here,might give her chance to get help.Nothing for to be ashamed of,spose when you love and trust someone and they turn you out like that,can be hard to take for such tender flowers as Lilly and myself are,or seem to be.Yes,I got stoned on really good NL pot yesterday...I can see a bit better.

Ciggy wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Ciggy wrote:She might have an excuse too if she got gang-shagged at a freakmason lodge in her long ago distant youth. Things truly were "don't kiss and tell" in those days, must've driven her mad.

The presence of the madness today must be explained somehow. Alternatively it could simply be some toxicity in her water supply.

when you said that the other night,I went quiet,cause you can see these things real well in people.I'd say you would've handled my situation much better.You would've been a good big brother,as long as you don't lead them down the bad path.

I had an autistic for a younger brother and a hoor for a younger sister. And I had nay interest in showing them the right path as I could barely see the edges of it meself in those days. I was a bit like these wee bairns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_j1_lajirY

Billy Ruben wrote:
Maybe you being so forward here,might give her chance to get help.Nothing for to be ashamed of,spose when you love and trust someone and they turn you out like that,can be hard to take for such tender flowers as Lilly and myself are,or seem to be.Yes,I got stoned on really good NL pot yesterday...I can see a bit better.

That's surely the solution. Our Lulzy is lacking her requisite dose of Vitamin Weed. This is your new mission, and your quest. You must find her, and shotgun copious clouds of the Heavenly Spice into her tormented lungs, get some THC flowing into her cells, before it's too late. Before the worms eat into what's left of her brain!

This is your new mission, and your quest. You must find her, and shotgun copious clouds of the Heavenly Spice into her tormented lungs, get some THC flowing into her cells, before it's too late. Before the worms eat into what's left of her brain!

Billy Ruben wrote:
Cool video clip,SLC Punk is the movie,just add that to the list of must see.
So,you were punk in a smalltown that looked at you kind of Alien like...Hahahahaha ,that's my life,growing up on the Central Coast.We did'nt have Christains,except for bothersome Jehova Witnesses,did'nt know what a mormon was till the mid 90's,when some joker in melbourne gave them Space Biscuits(hash and Lsd topped icing),they ended up in a psyche ward,cause God spoke and was cross with them.

Billy Ruben wrote:
Roger that,is Shotgun weed,like mouth to mouth?,like you're doing CPR,but use smoke instead of oxygen,hmmm,that's how Sam and I started.It was a pretty cool experience.

Billy Ruben wrote:
But Lilly,should eat it,in cakes and bikkies,talk to God nicely,he's a nice entity when your nerves are cool.If you do find the secret to her sadness,go easy on her,if she's just a zionist religeous bitch,ride her goat out of town.THC breaks down in the liver to 10X the strength than smoking it.I'm still stoned,from yesterday.Good root last night too...

Ciggy wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:
Cool video clip,SLC Punk is the movie,just add that to the list of must see.
So,you were punk in a smalltown that looked at you kind of Alien like...Hahahahaha ,that's my life,growing up on the Central Coast.We did'nt have Christains,except for bothersome Jehova Witnesses,did'nt know what a mormon was till the mid 90's,when some joker in melbourne gave them Space Biscuits(hash and Lsd topped icing),they ended up in a psyche ward,cause God spoke and was cross with them.

What's eerie about that scene from the movie is, I had an incident almost precisely like that as a teenager: the drinking age was 18 in Wyoming so it was a common road trip for Utah kids to drive to the Wyoming border to buy beer, but there I was, a punk with 2 other punk friends almost exactly like that scene, doing almost the exact same piss-taking of the redneck idiot at the store, only differences were: the one with the mohawk was a dyke lesbian Navajo girl who liked to talk about an American Indian Revolution, which was cool with the rest of us, so long as it was chaotic; I looked almost exactly like Matthew Lillard's character except my spikey hair was black on top and bleached white at the sides, and instead of a fur coat I had a faux-leather trench coat; the Mod-dressed one with the fake British accent was our mate Larry, who later turned out to have secretly been a member of the Aryan Nation skinheads. What an odd threesome we were. We all pretended to be English and all used mock Sid Vicious accents, all two-pints-of-lager, etc., and there were rustic girls there who'd never seen the likes of us, and talk DID in fact ramble on to their idea of the Antichrist, and although I dinna have a 666 tattoo I was able to convince them the letters of my name added up to 666, which freaked them the flippin' heck out, and then the shopkeeper asked us to leave. Not with a shotgun but the implication he could go get it if we pressed the issue. Slightly less hilarious and disorderly than the movie scene, but not too different. I'm actually beginning to wonder if the idea for that scene didn't sprout from Lisana (the Navajo girl), who might have hooked up with some movie writers later on.

Billy Ruben wrote:
Roger that,is Shotgun weed,like mouth to mouth?,like you're doing CPR,but use smoke instead of oxygen,hmmm,that's how Sam and I started.It was a pretty cool experience.

Well it CAN be done that way, although the traditional way is, one smoker blows the smoke into another's face, and they breathe it in, usually right at the end of the pipe. Mexican gangsters do it almost mouth to mouth and that looks kinda poofish.

Billy Ruben wrote:
But Lilly,should eat it,in cakes and bikkies,talk to God nicely,he's a nice entity when your nerves are cool.If you do find the secret to her sadness,go easy on her,if she's just a zionist religeous bitch,ride her goat out of town.THC breaks down in the liver to 10X the strength than smoking it.I'm still stoned,from yesterday.Good root last night too...

Hmmm... Manna from Heaven, innit. Good idear.

Billy Ruben wrote:
What you said about movies being uncanny and eerie how they can mirror exact experiences,they do.If you reminisce,think astrally doing it,someone,out there who knows how to read the ether,makes a movie,a play
but never know the origins of the source.Just a little circumstantial evidence to prove all beings living are connected to other realms,some know how to use them,others contribute all the time to it.I have had that same eerie experience,once to many times.Just a lazy writer and let others profit from me.Same as anybody,with a good story to sell.

Billy Ruben wrote:
...Mouth to mouth is excellent,but next chick,it's French with a shot-gun.Over 30,hopefully divorced and well off,So I can be her houseboy and enjoy the fun.Not that I want her money,just don't want to have to pay one third of my pension on it.

Billy Ruben wrote:
Nothing like good pot is there.When you get brave one day,like know me for a while,get that PO Box,I'll mail you about 10 gig worth of pot docos,growing,legalising,hash making (To easy too),history,plus heaps of psychonaut and LSD shit,with DMT

Billy Ruben wrote:
Melbourne has the best and cheapest pot in the country right now.NSW is dark and evil,f*ck them.Keep you informed.

true lilly wrote:... you don't know what you've got ... then it's gone ... oops, too late.

true lilly wrote:Gee, I wonder why
"tintin's" thread HAS LOST SO MANY READERS...
...and isn't this "supposed" to be,
"The ANTI-DAVID ICKE SITE"...

EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE,WHICH IT ISN'T,IT'S YOU WHO LOST THE READERS,THAT'S WHY YOU BITCHED SO LONG ABOUT GETTING BACK ON DIF (GOOD ON YOU CORI ),AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN SEE THE TRUE REASON YOU SPREAD LIES AND RUMOURS,YOU ONLY FOOL YOURSELF INTO BELIEVING OTHERS WOULD FOLLOW YOUR LEAD,...THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO LEAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO RING YOU,SO THEY SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT A CHEAP PIECE OF SHIT AND NUTJOB YOU REALLY ARE...RUMOURS FLY FAST,BUT MINE ARE THE TRUTH...AND YOU LOSE,CAUSE OF ME...UP YOURS S.RYAN...

Billy Ruben wrote:IF THERE IS ONE THING I ACHIEVED WITH THIS BITCH THIS WEEK,IS THE SUPPOSEDLY UNBENDING SUZY RYAN/TRUE LILLY SLAG OF BALLARAT,LIED,WORMED AND TWISTED HER WAY OUT OF THE SLANDER SHE SAID ABOUT OZPIXIE...WE ALL SEEN IT FOR OURSELVES,NOW SHE'S TRYING TO BLUFF HER WAY OUT,I NEVER KNEW HER NAME (OZPIXIE)STILL DON'T,SHE RECKONED SHE DID,UNTIL PROVEN WRONG BY "I AM"...NOW SHE'S SHIT SCARED OF YOU PEOPLE SEEING HER FOR WHAT SHE REALLY IS...AND THE REASON SHE REALLY SPREADS RUMOURS AND LIES,SHE'S A PATHETIC IMP OF A WOMAN,THAT HAS NOBODY IN LIFE,THAT REALLY COULD LOVE THAT THING...

palomino wrote:
Originally Posted by palomino

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225807108312

Aborigines are ill-served by cultural falsification and fraud

AS a nation we want more from just about everybody. We demand better
from our politicians, our corporate executives, our young sportsmen and
women.

Yet we do not expect more from indigenous Australians. Sadly, as a
nation, Australians have a predilection for indigenous confection. We
undermine our national character when we accept cultural fraud. The real indigenous culture is as old as the land, with its wonderful tales of how, at the start of time, this great country was transformed by our ancestral beings.

Then there is an insidious modern culture: a culture of fabrication that preys on unquestioning mainstream Australians.

It thrives because of mainstream Australia's inability to spot a
cultural fraud even when it is staring it in the face. It is often
shrouded in the mystical and unchallenged by the naive for fear of
giving offence. It is handsomely rewarded with grants by unwitting
government officials. This false culture is abetted by a broad willingness to be hoodwinked.

Many Australians are guilty of, to borrow a phrase, the soft bigotry of
low expectations. There are acts of parliament across the country that
divide indigenous communities and favour the noisy rent-seekers and
grant-takers.

In trying to manage cultural matters, bureaucrats often get it wrong.
Competing native title claims, cultural heritage disputes and fighting
among families and factions happen because of weak legislation or decent
legislation that is poorly administered.

In my community I have seen blatant cultural fraud and the fabrication of history
as a money-making strategy. It is allowed to happen because
non-indigenous people don't have the tools to make sound judgments about
competing claims. When it is too hard to get to the truth of the
matter, money is thrown at every version of a story.

In the main, indigenous affairs are administered in a completely
non-commercial manner. Therefore the usual market forces don't apply and
where there is a symptom or a bad news story, someone will be prepared
to throw money at it without having checked out the circumstances.
For a decade from the mid-1990s the Hindmarsh Island bridge controversy
in South Australia proved -- in the courts, parliament and even through a
royal commission -- that not every indigenous story should be taken at
face value. Sooner or later the Hindmarsh affair was inevitable.

Chances are the underlying themes of that affair are being played out
right now in any number of negotiations across the country. The stories
will be modified for the local people and the local circumstances. But
no matter where it is taking place, it will be high drama with practised
performers on both sides. It will be set to a backdrop of legislation
supposed to confer some sort of special protection or special
recognition on indigenous culture. But in the real world (the one
without lawyers), the fight isn't black v white; it is just black. It is
cousin against cousin and the ethical against the grant-takers.

Not even governance is safe. There is a separate corporations act for
indigenous Australia, as if an indigenous constituent's concerns were
somehow less important than those in a corporation watched over by the
Australian Securities and Investment Commission. It strikes me as rather
odd that we have a network of organisations managing billions of
dollars of taxpayer money being marketed as governance. It is hard to
decide if this is welfare by another name or conscience money.

Here I will declare an interest. I work for the Australian Employment
Covenant, striving to get 50,000 jobs for indigenous Australians. But
our team knows the difficulties we face in getting indigenous people
into work when the system allows them to choose welfare. Perhaps they
would take a greater interest in work if the money were turned off. It
has been suggested to me hunger would be a great motivator.

If indigenous people are to enjoy the respect of all Australians, then
we would do well to live by the same obligations and social contract as
the rest of the country.

I do not accept the argument that something in our culture means that we
do not have to work. Nor do I accept that society somehow owes
indigenous people a living.

That line of logic has resulted in too many toxic remote communities and
an urban over-representation of unemployed indigenous people, even when
they within reach of work.

It is time to do away with the separatist double standards.
Wesley Aird is a member of the Australian Employment Covenant Implementation Team

true lilly wrote:Funny to, the TIMING of this year old 'news'
making today's headlines...HACKERS...one of
the reasons I happily 'outed myself'...Not being
at all pc savy and knowing I could not secure
access to my home, let alone computer, and having
nothing of worldly value on my pc, it was best that
who and where I was and what I'm up to always
be openly known by more than a few...this way,
anything illegal 'put on' or 'coming through' my pc
could be proven not to be OF me...as a 'certain someone'
and his hired thugs, tried to do in the past ...

anyway, enough of my reasoning, on to what most
really care about...MONEY...

Russian hackers 'steal millions' from Citibank

* By staff writers
* From: news.com.au
* December 23, 2009 12:12PM

bizmoney citigroup

Citibank denies reports that hackers
stole "tens of millions" of dollars from it
/ Supplied
Source: AFP

* Report that hackers stole millions
* Citigroup denies money was lost
* Most bank heists are now virtual

GLOBAL finance giant Citigroup is denying reports
hackers stole "tens of millions" of dollars
from its banking arm Citibank midway through the year.

The Wall Street Journal yesterday reported the money was lost
to "malicious software created in Russia" and that the case was
being investigated by the FBI.

The Wall Street Journal reported a specialised piece of malware known as
"Black Energy" was behind the losses, having been modified to steal
banking authentication details.

"There's a newer, private version of Black Energy that
uses plugins to extend its capabilities beyond just DDoS (distributed
denial of service), security researcher Joe Stewart told www.pcworld.com.
Related Coverage
* Banks: Rate rise warning for 2010
* FBI probes cyber attack on Citigroup: report Australian IT, 9 hours ago
* FBI probes US terror suspects in Pakistan The Australian, 11 Dec 2009
* Leighton owner pulls IPO The Australian, 3 Dec 2009
* What GFC? Fat cat bonuses are here again NEWS.com.au, 14 Oct 2009
* Bankers set for record bonus season The Australian, 14 Oct 2009[/b]
http://www.news.com.au/business/russ...-1225813099266

The Wall Street Journal reported that the FBI,
the National Security Agency,
the Department of Homeland Security
and Citigroup exchanged information
to counter the attack,
which could have begun as long as a year ago.

The hackers, named in The Guardian as
the "Russian Business Network",
first gained notoriety several years ago
after masterminding a string of hi-tech crimes
including identity theft, fraud, spam
and child pornography.

Citigroup, the world's largest financial services company,
rejected any suggestion the FBI was investigating an incident
and denied that a raid of such proportions had taken place.

"Any allegation that the FBI is working on a case at Citigroup
involving a breach of Citi systems resulting in
tens of millions of dollars of losses is false," it said.

"There has been no breach and there have been no associated losses."

However, Dow Jones & Co spokesman Robert Christie told the
Associated Press that The Wall Street Journal stood by the accuracy of
its story.

A former member of the World Bank's security team said he was not aware of the attack, but said criminal groups based mainly in Europe, Brazil and Southeast Asia "consistently
targeted" large banks and that the industry was "haemorrhaging funds".

"Ninety-eight percent of bank heists
are now occurring virtually and not in the real world,"
he told The Associated Press.

Last edited by vera susa; 23-12-2009 at 09:22 AM.

true lilly wrote:
Sorry guys, I forgot to point out the obvious in this news,
as I was thinking of someone who asked me about why
"They" want GOLD, who would have noticed it was what
I had answered them..."MIGHTY DUCKS"/SUPER MACHINES
that use a lot of GOLD in their circuitry ... they will NOT
be 'aliens' invading, but man made monstrous machine...

Public release date:
23-Dec-2009

Contact: Suzanne Taylor Muzzin
suzanne.taylormuzzin@yale.edu
203-403-8555
Yale University
Scientists create
world's first molecular transistor


IMAGE: Engineers adjusted the voltage applied
via gold contacts to a benzene molecule,
allowing them to raise and lower
the molecule’s energy states
and demonstrate that it could
be used exactly like a traditional transistor
at the molecular level.

Credit: Hyunwook Song and Takhee Lee
Usage Restrictions: With credit given.
This release is available in Chinese.

New Haven, Conn.—
A group of scientists has succeeded in creating
the first transistor made from a single molecule.

The team, which includes researchers from Yale University
and the Gwangju Institute of Science and Technology in South Korea,
published their findings in the December 24 issue
of the journal Nature.
The team, including Mark Reed, the Harold Hodgkinson
Professor of Engineering & Applied Science at Yale,
showed that a benzene molecule attached to gold
contacts could behave just like a silicon transistor.

The researchers were able to manipulate the molecule's
different energy states depending on the voltage they applied to it
through the contacts. By manipulating the energy states,
they were able to control the current passing through the molecule.

"It's like rolling a ball up and over a hill, where the ball represents
electrical current and the height of the hill represents the molecule's
different energy states," Reed said.
"We were able to adjust the height of the hill,
allowing current to get through when it was low,
and stopping the current when it was high."
In this way, the team was able to use the molecule
in much the same way as regular transistors are used.

The work builds on previous research Reed did in the 1990s,
which demonstrated that individual molecules
could be trapped between electrical contacts.
Since then, he and Takhee Lee, a former Yale postdoctoral associate
and now a professor at the Gwangju Institute of Science and Technology,
developed additional techniques over the years
that allowed them to "see" what was happening at the molecular level.

Being able to fabricate the electrical contacts
on such small scales, identifying the ideal molecules to use,
and figuring out where to place them and how to connect them
to the contacts were also key components of the discovery.
"There were a lot of technological advances
and understanding we built up over many years
to make this happen," Reed said.

There is a lot of interest in using
molecules in computer circuits
because traditional transistors
are not feasible at such small scales.
But Reed stressed that this is strictly
a scientific breakthrough and that
practical applications such as smaller and faster
"molecular computers"—if possible at all—
are many decades away.
(Ooohhh, he "stressed" it, so it "must be true"...)

"We're not about to create
the next generation of integrated circuits," he said.
"But after many years of work gearing up to this,
we have fulfilled a decade-long quest
and shown that molecules can act as transistors."
###
Other authors of the paper include Hyunwook Song and Yun Hee Jang
(Gwangju Institute of Science and Technology); and Youngsang Kim and
Heejun Jeong (Hanyang University).
Citation: 10.1038/nature08639

true lilly wrote:Again, NAVAL MILITARY EXERCISES[color=green]...
..."COST MILLION"=INVESTED MILLIONS...
...and these reports are only what they ARE telling us...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...postcount=1191



Laser fight:
Whaling war goes high-tech
Sea Shepherd Ady Gil

WHALE WARS:
Conservationists shine lasers
at Japanese harpoon vessel.
Source: PerthNow
Sea Shepherd and Japanese whalers
battle in Antartica

* Narelle Towie, Environment Reporter
* From: PerthNow
* December 23, 2009 12:45PM

LASERS and high-tech spy boats are being used
in the fight to save whales from Japanese 'researchers'.

Anti-whaling effects by conservation group Sea Shepherd erupted overnight with Japanese harpoon vessel the Shonan Maru No. 2
deploying water cannons
and noise devices while activists
fired laser lights and acid booms.

The two groups have been waring in the high-seas of Antartica over the past five days over whaling.

Sea Shepherd activists aboard the Steve Irwin were yesterday allegedly harassed and attacked with water cannons and
Long Range Acoustical Devices -
used to cause nausea and disorientation - by Japanese crew on the Shonan Maru No. 2.

Related Coverage

* Steve Irwin: Whaling foes in cannon clash
* Japanese security: Acoustic weapon used on Sea Shepherd
* Whaling foes in cannon clash Perth Now, 1 day ago
* Japan fires 'military' weapon at activists Perth Now, 5 days ago
* Japan deploys military against protesters: captain The Australian, 7 days ago
* First shots as whaling war erupts Perth Now, 7 days ago
* War erupts over Antarctic whaling Daily Telegraph, 8 days ago

Sea Shepherd controversially patrols Antarctic waters
aboard the Steve Irwin each year
to hunt down and hamper Japanese whaling fleets.

Conservationists left Fremantle on December 9.

But this year, the Japanese 'researchers' have prevented Sea Shepherd from locating the whaling fleet by tailing them and sending coordinates on the Steve Irwin's whereabouts to their counterparts.

Events heated up overnight when the Ady Gil,
a second Sea Shepherd vessel
which is painted with radar deflective paint,
arrived undetected.

In the early hours of the morning, the Ady Gil tried to slow down the
Shonan Maru No. 2 allowing the Steve Iwin to make a midnight getaway.

A statement by the Japanese states that Sea Shepherd crew
launched an acid attack on their vessel
while towing a rope from its stern
to tangle the Shonan Maru’s rudder and propeller.

Conservationists have also been accused of
throwing rotting butter, or butyric acid,
while shining green lasers at the Japanese crew.

The Japanese responded with water cannons and LRAD.

"At first it looked good, and the Steve Irwin was
able to put twelve miles between
the Shonan Maru No. 2 and itself," a statement from Sea Shepherd said.

"But despite being harassed by the Ady Gil for two hours,
the Japanese slowly worked their way back to a six-mile distance. "

"To accomplish this they had to
increase their speed to over twenty knots,
a speed at which, unfortunately,
the Steve Irwin cannot outrun."

During the melee, both the Ady Gil and Shonan Maru No. 2
are reported to have reached speeds over 20 knots in 2m swells.

The Ady Gil
currently carries five crew members including four
New Zealanders and one
Dutchcitizen.

While whaling is illegal, the Japanese use a loop hole in the law
which allows the culling to occur under the auspices of
scientific research. The meat is then sold in Japan.

Last year, the intervention of Sea Shepherd
is said to have cost the Japanese whalers
millions of dollars in lost profit.
~~~~~~~~~~

Quote:
Originally Posted by vera susa

O.K. I also LONG AGO posted on all the KEY Features
of this 'news', and again STRESS:
THIS IS A COVER FOR ACTUAL MILITARY EXERCISES,
as we all Know 'they' don't give a hoop about saving
anything or one besides themselves, let alone bloody whales.

Japan fires 'military' weapon at activists

Shonan Maru No 2

ANTI-WHALERS complain after
Japanese ship follows and fires
"military class weapon" at them.

Sea Shepherd complain
about Japan's 'military' fightback

* From: AAP
* December 18, 2009 10:51AM

Antarctic Japan Whaling

The Japanese whaling ship Shonan Maru No 2
sprays water behind the anti-whaling group
flagship Steve Irwin as its crew races to take down
blades and secure the helicopter / AP Source: AP

* Sea Shepherd says it was followed illegally
* Uses helicopter to film "illegal" pursuer
* Ship "fired military class weapon" at chopper

THE anti-whale hunting group the Sea Shepherd said a Japanese security
ship has illegally followed them into French Antarctic waters and fired
"a military class weapon" at their helicopter.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society said the Japanese ship the Shonan
Maru No 2 had been following its vessel, the Steve Irwin, for nine of
the 10 days it had been sailing since leaving Fremantle.

Sea Shepherd said the Shonan Maru had been constantly reporting the
Steve Irwin's location, preventing it from closing in on the Japanese
whaling fleet.

A Sea Shepherd spokeswoman said the Steve Irwin entered French Antarctic
territorial waters, with permission from the French Base at Dumont
Durville, in a bid to lose the Shonan Maru.

But, the Shonan Maru No 2 followed the Steve Irwin without the French's permission, Sea Shepherd said.

Related Coverage

* First shots as whaling war erupts NEWS.com.au, 2 days ago
* Shoot-out on ice seas Herald Sun, 2 days ago
* Protesters ram whaling ship NEWS.com.au,
* Whale slaughter Daily Telegraph,
* Whaling war win claimed Mercury, 10 Feb 2009

The Sea Shepherd group said the French base had confirmed that the
Japanese ship neither requested nor received permission to enter French
waters.

The spokeswoman said the Steve Irwin helicopter then flew back to film the Shonan Maru in its pursuit.

"In response, the crew of the Japanese ship activated their Long Range Acoustical Device (LRAD) at the Sea Shepherd helicopter," she said.

"LRAD is a military class weapon."

Helicopter pilot Chris Aultman said
activating the weapon was extremely irresponsible.

"That device can cause nausea and disorientation
and the use of it against an aircraft
is extremely dangerous," he said.

The Sea Shepherd helicopter returned to the Steve Irwin for safety, at
which point the Shonan Maru increased speed and aimed their water canons
at the helicopter on the landing pad, the spokeswoman said.

Steve Irwin Captain Paul Watson said
the situation was now very dangerous.

"We have deliberately led the Japanese ship
into thick ice in order to lose them in the ice,"
he said.

"The icebergs could easily
damage either vessel."

Sea Shepherd said had reported the incident
to the French authorities adding that so far
the Steve Irwin ship was undamaged
but that the pursuit continued

Last edited by vera susa; 23-12-2009 at 06:29 PM.

...that may explain a little of
why "tintin's" thread has dropped
from over 2500 views an hour,
to barely 500...
and I'm being trolled here now...

...it was $425.
when The Experts told us that was "TOO MUCH",
and when I first told folk to, "BUY GOLD" ,
and everyone started 'calling me names'

el kabong wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst







git yer groove on!




.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM

true lilly wrote:

and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last

hey suzi/not so tru lilly, I see you've made a new fan/reader.

what you know about YHWHs Commandments you could fit in a thimble and have lots of room left over. Your new fan says it well.

Your dog don't hunt. never did. never will.

Do you realise how you contradict yourself? The First Commandment is a pillar of the Torah/Instruction (which you insult and falsly declare was 'done away with') of YHWH Elohim, and it declares that the Hebrews were in Egypt/Mizraim, which you deny.

Torah means Instruction. YHWH Elohim has provided aLL humankind with His Instruction, who are you to say otherwise?

A lying, false prophet.

You are really a mental case like Billy Rueben has documented.

true lilly wrote:Again, remember, The Books we call The Bible
cover every topic under the sun, and still, when
I pray about what say, or not to say, well as you
can see, I open Those Pages (randomly) at what
is timely and relevant to the topics I'm covering;
and that's even before bothering to read the full
descriptive meanings of each of those REVEALING
WORDS in That Holy Collection of Books.

So Please, Do, click on the link.

Psalms 49:1-20
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=49&v=1&t=KJV#top

true lilly wrote:Well, I mentioned somewhere, how OFF 'Jason/Billy Ruben's',
"'intelligence' gathered by idiots", IS, after he rang me, again,
to mention this thread of his(=add to his threats to my person,
because he knows he's on ignore and is obsessed with trying to
scare me), but it's been over half a day since he promised to
"BURY=SPAM OVER" my latest posts, and, well since then,
someone in Melbourne has BLOWN HIS LEGS OFF... another
of 'their' Very Unfortunate 'mates' ...

...and 'certain' 'nice' GAME PLAYING people
still complain AT OTHER people,
about my choice of friends (it's a VERY small selection),
Only to KEEP THEM TRAPPED AMONG Such,
DANGEROUSLY EXPLOSIVE 'mates' ...

David Icke Australian Tour - Completely Sold Out!!!
by Billy Ruben

ahh, yes, but to WHOM....

...and, what and whom

will they be watching for...

true lilly wrote:



David Icke's 'australian's'=COMPLETE SELL OUTS!
...and too stupidly proud to...



...or... ...so...

...well, prove 'they' aren't... ...at least 'the name' 'Billy Ruben'
is finally posting here again, but no text to say, "Sorry.", or even,
"O.K. I still disagree with you, but I see you make some valid points,
so I'll stop threatening to kill you.", unlike 'his/her/their' barrage of
texts that do threaten my life, And Worse...so even a moron could
tell, that that is, idiotically, stupidly proud...All Things Considered...

true lilly wrote:Just another "tintin/cori" 'classic' bit of
CODE KEY FILLED, NEWS of TODAY, that
'they' are also ignoring...and yeah, note:
The Significance of "The HOOD[Y]"

Leonardo DiCaprio arrives
in Australia to shoot
The Great Gatsby


The great Leo arrives in the hood

Tonya Turner
LEONARDO DiCaprio
has touched down in Sydney
to begin filming The Great Gatsby,
making a quick getaway
dressed incognito.
Video

Victoria Police
monitoring gangs in Melbourne
following British riots
Peter Mickelburough
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/victoria-police-monitoring-gangs-in-melbourne-following-british-riots/story-fn7x8me2-1226119207091

true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke",
this thread is on the First Page.
So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts,
TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL
(by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and
BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE,
IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post.

So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you",
THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB
and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS
(the Stolen, Dehydrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT",
"you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home,
recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!
and the other one that wasn't mine, now lives here, happily,
on the 2 1/2 feet he has left),
gives people GOOD REASON TO READ
WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...
posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS,
THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry
IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE,
AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.

Two critically injured
in chemical blast at Cannons Creek
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/two-critically-injured-in-chemical-blast-at-cannons-creek/story-fn7x8me2-1226119289534
17 comments
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011

Gee, OVER 17 hours old,
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE? )
POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS


horror, wing, walker,
helicopter, 60m, death,
Todd Green
...gee, only some of,
"cori" and "tintin's" Favourite
CODE/TRIGGER KEYS,
from only one headline,
of this, BIG, TODAY'S NEWS,
and where are 'they'...
August 22, 2011

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES
An airshow audience's gasps of awe
turned to gasps of horror
as wing walker Todd Green
lost his grip from a helicopter
and plunged 60m
to his death.
Picture: AP
Read More
Wing walker tragedy
...NOT posting about it,
or any of this, either...

true lilly wrote:
NOW, 16 MODERATORS at DAVID ICKE Official Forums:

lookfar, tusme, ozpixie, thirdwave,

measle_weasel, merlincove, ufochick,

mace, drhemp, thommo, scottishryan,

hunter77, weeman, atlantabizgal,

infidelyork, edelweiss pirate

...despite how many have STOPPED POSTING...
...maybe something to do with...

This post was made by Billy Ruben who is currently on your ignore list.
So what do/does 'he/she/they' NOT GET?

Why the need to keep texting me about 'their' latest posts
in 'their' very personal, literal, war against me, as if I
and my opinions, matter more than, The War being fought?

I've often made it perfectly clear that I'm more than happy
to speak WITH any, real, individual person, about what I post,
but even when 'Billy/Jason' does ring and speak AT me, 'he'
can't be bothered remembering, where 'he's' supposed to be,
'who's' supposed to have told 'him' what, or that 'he' can't block
the number or location, from which 'he' makes 'his' worst threats,
from 'those who know and matter'.

And so, being a self proven, as well as self confessed,
NOT so Secret [anymore] Agenda Pushing, 'Agent'
of the BAD 'them'...yep, there is a GOOD 'them'...I can't
keep treating 'him/her/them' as if 'they' are not the very
same, very dangerously deceitful ilk, I first stated posting
warnings for real individuals to take heed of.


Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...

...got another call from him, to inform me of this thread...
...idiots...they couldn't even start to construct a believable tale...
...the price of that 'intelligence' supplied by idiots ...anyway...

Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...
...and at such a time... ...Team Leader "tintin" will be miffed,
with 'YOU' and...

true lilly wrote:He IS INSANE!
But NOT in a nice, 'stupid, so innocent' way.
He is Heavily, Cunningly, INVESTED IN LAYING THE FOUNDATION
FOR GLOBAL, 'BEAST' WORSHIP.
And EDITS The Official David Icke Forum.
Oh, he has also CLAIMED TO BE JESUS,
and now that HE IS (RE)WRITING GOD'S WORD.

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Jesus eh? GOOD! We killit 'im once, we can killim again!

There ARE TWO DEATHS, ONLY the Second IS FOREVER
and You Just SIGNED UP FOR BOTH. ... and I'll restate:
Why 'be gentle' with SCUM that swan around the world
and gather at EXCLUSIVE 5 star dinners to gaffaw at how
easy it is to CON the world? ... That's RHETORICAL ... !

'Funny', though, how
'they' can't take the joke, of
the intended victims laughing at the joy
of one more hour of Blessed Life...
...that is another WARNING, as 'they' are
committed to KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL
(ALL WHO REFUSE), to BOW TO THE BEAST,
and so, DIE TWICE and FOREVER.

And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH......TO,
those 'cleaning them up'... ...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',
I do THINK, and
I do think 'you' have, "given a shit",
right down the legs 'you' still have,
unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS ,
who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore...

I don't know how far 'Billy Ruben' outed those
he was slaving to defend, but I do hope that
at least some, if not all of them, will finally see,
clearly enough, to stop cursing their blessings,
repent, and live...their own lives, and, stop trying
to prevent me from living mine...what, you say, 'if
I really cared, I'd have made the pill sweeter!'...but,
I did, for decades, I made it ever so sweet, smooth,
small and easy to swallow, when I should have realized
that they were so poisoned with bitterness, what they
really needed, way back then, was a bloody big enema!

Scientists claim
bacteria fossils discovered
in Port Hedland are more than
3.4 billion years old
From:AAP
August 22, 2011 9:00AM


A 3D image of the 3.4 billion-year-old microfossil found in Western Australia. Picture: AFP / David Wacey and Derek Gertsmann.



Strelley Pool in Pilbara region of Western Australia
where the fossils were found. Picture: AFP / David Wacey

SCIENTISTS in Western Australia have uncovered fossils which they say are the oldest evidence of life on earth.

A team of researchers from the University of WA and Britain's
Oxford University say they have proof that the microscopic fossils,
found at Strelley Pool near Port Hedland, are more than 3.4 billion
years old.

The sulphur-based bacteria was found well preserved between quartz sand
grains in prehistoric sedimentary rocks, Oxford University's Professor
Martin Brasier said.

"We can be very sure about the age (of the fossils) as the rocks
were formed between two volcanic successions that narrow
the possible age down to a few tens of millions of years," he said in a statement.
The fossils are very clearly preserved, showing precise cell-like structures
all of a similar size, the research team said.

"At last we have good solid evidence
for life over 3.4 billion years ago.
It confirms there were bacteria
at this time, living without oxygen," Prof Brasier said.


"Such bacteria are still common today.
Sulphur bacteria are found in smelly ditches,
soil, hot springs, hydrothermal vents —
anywhere where there's little free oxygen
and they can live off organic matter."

In recent years new scientific benchmarks have been introduced
that must be satisfied by researchers before claims can be made
about the age of fossils.

The West Australian fossils pass crucial tests including that the forms seen in
the rocks are biological and have not occurred through some mineralisation process,
Prof Brasier said.
"We're now making detailed comparisons with all other early microfossils, and we're very optimistic for future finds," he said.

"The work also has implications for looking for life on other planets,
giving an indication of what evidence for such life might look like."

( ...'they' say...but MEAN:
IT'S SOLID EVIDENCE WE CAN TRUST
WHAT GOD TOLD US,
ABOUT "THE BEGINNING",
FROM THE BEGINNING ...
and, HOW IT WILL ALL PAN OUT!)

Oldest vertebrate fossil found in Australia,
scientists say
Thursday, 23 October 2003


Our oldest ancestor?
560 million year old 'tadpole'
found in South Australia
(South Australian Museum)
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/ancient/AncientRepublish_973390.htm

Oh and there is so much more of this sort of news,
that sings the truth of God's Word, scattered, planted,
buried, all over the place, for those who do care to,
SEARCH WITH THEIR WHOLE HEART, MIND and STRENGTH.



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true lilly wrote:So cori=wants 99.9% of humans dead,
which of my enemies in the real world, are
you supporting?

Those who say 'they' "channel jeesuss",
or those who come straight out and admit
that 'the lord's prayer' they 'raised' their kids by,
was 'the lord's prayer'
straight out of The Satanic Bible.

And now it seems 'Jason'
has lost the ability to read at all,
as well as comprehend.

Maybe I'll just have to forward all his texts
to all 'those' 'respected' people
he is so overtly, so publicly,
demonstrating his supported association with,
in 'their' mutual pushing of the same
(not so secret anymore), satanic agenda,
and let 'them' sort 'their' own yapping dog.

And so what if some among them,
are, actually worthy of respect,
or just haven't had their cover blown yet;
surely they are entitled
to know the public and private character of
those who Publicly claim to privately
Share a Satanic Association with
those who claim to be
'Christian' Business People.

11:46AM Monday Aug 22, 2011

Today's News


Miracle at The Gap
Miracle at The Gap:
the day Nellie tried to end it
and came out alive

...and that was only a tiny sample
of the countless examples of why the wise,
keep, The First Commandment, First and Last.

Billy Ruben wrote:

True Lilly wrote:
That's
The First Commandment of
The Creator God,
Who told us, From The Beginning,
about
All This Real World He Really Created,
and THE AGE of LIFE, HERE
In This Real World, BEFORE
OXYGEN=the prince of the air=DEATH...

well,stop fucking breathing and see how you go ya old bint,since you breathe oxygen and spread lies,slander and filth,I suppose you should classify yourself as Arch Evil.I do.Seek mental counselling or therapy you mad little thing

Suzi aka 'tru lilly' doesn't seem to comprehend the Bible is NOT a History Book, it is a Book of Instruction-Torah. Which she abuses.

Read any book on Evolutionary Biology and the Atmosphere we breathe preceded mankind. The Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker.


Did you notice how she has completely contradicted herself by citing the First commandment, which she doesn't follow?

1: It establishes abstract Ethical Monotheism-YHWH Elohim as the only living God, it is the Foundation of His Torah/Instruction, which Suzi doesn't co9mprehend and disregards making up her own nonsense.

2: The commandment declares YHWH liberated the Hebrews FROM Egypt/Mizraim.

Talk about cognitive dissonance, I can hear hers in the USA!

Anyway, she should obey the Commandment NOT to Bear false Witness, she would enjoy greater peace.

Hypocrites are always beset by anxieties and blame others for their own foibles.

Anyhoo, here is some wisdom she should heed, The Evil Tongue-The Lashon Hara.

Good investigative Journalism exposing Suzi billyboy.

Do you want a lying fraud shill,representing and speaking for you,to the Christian God???
For years you have heard her claims,that she's had car bombings (which she changed to her daughter,recently),beatings twice,that put her in to hospital and that she is targetted by David Icke and Tintin,who run an International Cabal of Inept Hitmen.

She's deluded,that I would have sexual designs on herself,I detest the 50 year old prune.Slavic girls are beautiful,some,but I'm not even attracted to her ugly mind or mouth,so what is there to desire.I like functioning,mentally stable women,she's an erratic schizo psychopath.
I hit on people I would never want with forums,JD/John Drake being one,Vera Susa/True Lilly/Suzy Ryan,but if forced into a situation to choose between them both,I'll go twinky,and take JD's member deep in my mouth...eeeeeewww!!!!



But,the other day,True Lilly stepped over the line.She txt my missus,trying to stir trouble.She keeps all your data,if you're stupid enough to contact her and will never be left alone.I made that call from Sam's phone,cause she is disallowed and not trusted with home phones.But she's gone to far,with accusing all and sundry of child molestation,animal sex and more murderous plots,all of which is lies,as I filed a complaint with Ballarat Police and also informed them,of the slander she says against her former husband,who is allegedly a serving police officer.I wanted them to just question her,cause she'll go off the deep-end and start spouting the "Orange Order" is trying to kill me,that Israel is Australia and David Icke made my heater catch of fire,which is lies,she has animals in the house,she regulary sports photos of herself and family,sleeping with the doggies,they might be bored shitless of her endless rants,or it's some doggy-sex thingy going on with her clan or all of the above.

I was ignoring this forum,until I seen the Krokodile Thread and Zombie apocalypse...and stumbled on a post,where True Lilly constantly spams,Ciggy and I networking for child sex.I laughed at the pathetic moron at first and asked her nicely to stop.Where,delighted she finally got some attention,cause that is the only way she gets it,as I'm about to prove,with Tintins TNBTN thread.

That's her pathetic ploys which has snowballed into a very dangerous situation for her now.I am now,officially out to get her.For her own good,she must die,so she does'nt cause any more spiritual damage to herself.I'm doing her a favour.

Now lets prove what I'm saying.Her thread at the time,The Lying Conspiracy was being ignored,Vera Susa as it was known at David Icke forums,could'nt take the silence and miffed by rebuttals by the member Cori,she goes into meltdown.

What I want you to see,is she can't even live up to her own word,where she,quits the thread only to come back ten pages later,spamming the shit out of it,like she does here,when she can't win,bury the embarressing questions,cause everything she says,is a fuckin lie...everything.Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.

***to The Orange Order,my fees are $20,000,the head is deliverable as proof,I need a bogus marriage in Groningeng,for citizenship and she must be a nymphomaniac,to keep me occupied,while the search for Mr Ruben winds down,that should take a couple of days,considering True Lilly calls the local cops goat fuckers.Turn a blind eye fraternal policeman,we serve the same masters,Lucifer The Light bearer.


Here' her same MO and tactics for the last 5 years,the ignorant fucking nonce she is...kick it,really locals,kick it.

Lilly's Kharma,1,2,3 and 4...Bugger you bitch...and I mean bugger,as buggery,in the biblical sense,you know,KNOWING YOUR DOG BIATCH...





Suzy's lover that started the heater on fire...I suggest a good grooming in future Suzy,before the friction of love...

Cori's pleas to be left alone as usual ignored,she's the criminal stalker,like she accuses me of...it's her kharma and feel no shame in what I do in future...



and the skin crawls...errrr!!!!

Jesus may have lost faith and given up,but I won't...

Time to start screaming BIATCH!!!!

true lilly wrote:EVIL is; denying and trying to force the world into denying,
the truly life saving warnings (given to us from the beginning),
in this age when we need to hear them most, and science
keeps proving that those warnings were given to us, from the
beginning, so that we would not have to suffer the first death,
under the rule of the prince of the air, or, second, and permanent,
death.

EVIL are; all those who worship, the prince of the air,
the father of the lie, and his religions of death worship,
they have shoved down the world's throat on his behalf
(for their own selfish desires), since the first man rejected
his God given authority and handed his duty of care over
to a self serving, castrating, woman.

True Lilly wrote:
That's
The First Commandment of
The Creator God,
Who told us, From The Beginning,
about
All This Real World He Really Created,
and THE AGE of LIFE, HERE
In This Real World, BEFORE
OXYGEN=the prince of the air=DEATH...

Billy Ruben wrote:

True Fuckwit Lilly wrote:
And isn't that exactly what the 16 Moderators
on David Icke Official Forums do:
SELL that "ONENESS" AGENDA;

MOCK ANYONE NOT SELLING THE VIEWS 'THEIR'
MAIN STREAM PROMOTED ORGANISATIONS.

And, IF THE MOCKING FAILS TO CONVERT or SILENCE THEM,
'THEY' SIMPLY BAN THEM, OVER ALL 'THEIR' MAIN STREAM
PROMOTED FORUMS.

Yep, it's all the same mobs, as any Google search for information
on the ACTUAL, Secret Religious Agenda behind 'David Icke, shows.
As no matter how specifically you word your search, what little 'they'
offer is well and truly flooded out with glorious praise for Icke and
vicious attacks against those who have cared to warn others
of the hypocrisy of that man and his backers, supporters and
followers.
Such as demanding excuses for all 'his/their' hypocrisies be accepted
as some sort of evidence of 'humaness & holiness', while utterly
damning any of his/their opponents for life, on any unrelated
minor human failing, whether real, perceived or INVENTED.

btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.

Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.

'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.
Those who in the real world, simply can't afford
to be known to associate with the likes of 'Billy Ruben's',
'cori's' or each other.

And those who still have to act friendly in the real world,
when they are not busy posting as 'Billy Ruben's', 'cori's',
and the other on line 'names' that 'they' hide behind, while
plotting with 'their' real world, secret associates, for the
installation of 'their' Beastly One World Religion.

How do I know?
How didn't 'they' know I do?
Too busy inventing lies 'they' lie I say, mean and believe,
to bother listening to what I actually say, mean and know.
[/color]

True Lilly wrote:

btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.

Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.

'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.

uh-huh,did you know I outed myself before I even joined Sodlike you lying,faker,extortionist fuckwit???
Absolute no brainer beating your lies fool,no effort,but enjoyable all the same.

Billy Ruben wrote:What's your next trick True Lilly,same old MO for years,I know you...do you get it,inside and out...I know you...and run rings around your arguements,where a stupid shitbag like you can't understand the level of abuse you DESERVE,do you get it,it does'nt make you look good and me bad,you just demonstarte your stubborn stupidity...if someone needs a good beating to bash sense in them,it is you,madam...greatest dipshit I ever met online.This all snowballed from one lie...and now,I love it,ner,ner,ner,ner

Billy Ruben wrote:We've gone through all this True Lilly,these days you speak untruths,lies,yes,distortions,just to get me to answer your piss poor boring offer nothing,crap-house threads...and I have the pleasure knowing that and to tell you to your face and publicly humiliate you,cause you offer,nothing...nothing at all...I found out,if you lived by the bible tonight,retard,you,as a woman,are not,NOT ALLOWED to preach the gospel,not only that,you twist and distort it.You see,you do this,you get attention,hate usually,cause you're a loner and lost your family support and love,Your ex-hubby is Mum and Dad,thanks to your madness...isn't there a little bit that feels pain reading that,can't you make amends and be a good mum,instead of a raving lunatic...love your people and keep it shut for a while,OK,,little Suzy.

Billy Ruben wrote:Here,I got YOU real good this time


Lilly,what does this say,know thy place...and shut the mouth,you have no right to speak of the bible,here's the farkin proof,I got you...

Billy Ruben wrote:Listen mental case,I answered this post in another thread,enjoy it while it last mate,every thread you've done and will do in future,will be put in your sub-forum.And THEN,I'll lobby Sod-Admin,with a bit of coke and a blowjob,to keep you there and post no-where else on this forum,so lap it up bitch,time is short,ner,ner,ner,ner

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:Ha! and who DIDN'T see this coming!

Craig Oxley+Cruise, David Icke+tintin,

Cruise=tintin,

'the jesuits did it','cos they are the jews',

Unhinged Minds=Unhived Lizards,

and so on, throughout CONspiracy land...

What?Are you going to spam your way through life now...AND,I thought you did'nt believe in the Reptilians,eating your own words,not hard to do...If I remember from your mad rantings,did'nt Tintin = David Icke,or you finally figured out your error there...sheesh!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:

True Lilly wrote:
The timing was 'interesting', because it was posted,
after my ex left...mmm...yes, and more besides. See,
I was going to have a rest, after posting about 'Billy Ruben's'
latest phone threats, when who should rock up, for the second,
unannounced time today, but my ex. Only this time, he simply had to,
drop some *KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats at me,
and 'arrange' to get my son out of the house, tomorrow, the 26th,
yep, he also had to randomly 'drop' the fact that that is tomorrow's date,
and yeah, that is 'that date' on which 'they' just luuvvv trying to
bash me to death.

The message was timely, because it addresses what it is
that I am most hated for;
simply, my faith, in The Perfect Justice of Our Loving Creator,
and that the countless blessings I've enjoyed, I've always credited to God,
and that it has never been in my heart to blame God, for my sins and errors,
or the evils of those who knowingly, willing, hate and fight God...
...as 'The Billy Ruben's' have always been desperate to force me to do,
by inflicting great injustices and evils on me AND MINE, then cackling,
"where's your god now"...while missing the point, that it is My God,
The Creator of us all, Who brought me into Their Lives, to be a witness
of His countless blessings, and warn them against choosing to reject
The Saving Grace of His Living Word.

*KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats:
you know, the sort of things diagnosed sociopaths just have to
admit behind closed doors, like admissions of past crimes against
you and promises of more to come, while sneering that 'no one
will believe you, including the police'; Just As His Very Public
Defender, 'Billy Ruben', keeps Publicly Boasting He Does, and
Publicly Threatening, To Do More and Worse.

Hey Suzy Ryan,
send my regards and love to your ex-hubby,Billy ruben2 Ryan,we have concluded after the meeting with the Australian Division of the Orange Order,to get your son out of the house,before I "Whack" you and take your head for payment,as we do sex rites and magic rituals with your corpse to curse you for your next life,I want you to come back as a fly,because,you'll be a maggot first,then,I'll catch you,then I'll pull your wings off and you wont be a fly anymore,but a Walk,then I swat you and you'll be a Dead...

Fark You Bitch...and your son should be left alone,cause you're a nutter,spreading shit in his brain...

Billy Ruben wrote:The above spammed bullshit is the usual crap she's been shoving down everybodies throats for the last two weeks.BOYS AND GIRLS AT HOME,DON'T YOU JUST HATE JESUS AND GOD WHEN IT COMES FROM THE FILTHY DYING CHASMS LIKE THIS LOUDMOUTHED FREAK.SHE DOES GOD A DIS-SERVICE...HAVE SONG BITCH...F*CK YOU GOD...

Billy Ruben wrote:"It is our duty to insult him,F*ck you god,Strike me down if you dare you tyrant,you non-existant fraud..."

Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Lilly,since you're brave because you stand by God and all that...can we have a nice picture of your face,please?
I'd like to design your very own Christian Prophetess Icon,it would be a gas and very,very funny!Trust me for once...

Billy Ruben wrote:

el kabong wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:Please don't spam my threads True Lilly,thankyou,love Billy...

she is Barking Mad isn't she Billyboy?

I found your reminiceings interesting until Lilly Queen of Bullshit showed up and flooded your Thread like she does everywhere on this Forum.

My condolences ol' chap.

Thankyou...that's really want I want to do,write about the day that's been and other things,then,ya get SPAMMED TO DEATH AND OUT THE DOOR...it changes day to day,you come here to defend yourself from "babyfucker" allegations,then,you remember the free atmosphere and pink,then you remember you liked the place...so,good,you get bent,it's been a nice day and night,so,you offer the forum something a little different and get shat upon from forum prophet,although false she be,forum nutter,stalker,crazy woman,True lilly...

Glad you see it and thanks for the up about writing shit,appreciate it.Billy...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:...seems I'm not supposed to post what I found...

...PRAY.

that's right...

It began like this

Billy Ruben wrote:then encrypted rambling spam...

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote: ... ... ... ... ...

got to you did'nt it?

then half an hour later,you spammed,and did'nt you let it out.
You have a problem Suzy,besides being a closet pisspot.
Actually,come to think about it,you're irredeemable...

You have clear issues...I could've saved you the cost of a SMS,I replied,U R insane...

Billy Ruben wrote:then,sure as shit,easy to predict,Billy gets niggley...

she spams some more

Billy Ruben wrote:Lilly...

Listen here,there's no need to spam my fucking thread,ok?

I made it plain I read you fucking threads,got it?

No more fucking spam,you fucking old biddy...

I can't take it no more...

Billy Ruben wrote:...and thirst for blood,nearing a coronary,he refrains from swearing...

Billy Ruben wrote:So delving into her childhood by telepathic ethernet,I found rather disturbing,but strangely stimulating images and references..

Billy Ruben wrote:You see Lilly,being the country girl that you are and always been,...this is love.



Not just being a CHAMPION BREEDER,BUT YOU SEE,when you was little,most kids learn't,from dogs,the 70's my era,what swingers party was on for the night...and for me,the local toilet wall...and THAT was eye-opening.

But not you,no...out there on the meadows,soft breeze in your hair,dandelions float and sway dropping its seed in mysterious locations,just solitude,you and a horse with a rather large erect penis...

Billy Ruben wrote:which led to much deeper and psychological complexities turned into a positive and prosperous venture..

Billy Ruben wrote:But this love and fascination was not lost,now was it?
There was a market for horse stimulators and this sticky enterprise paid handsome dividends...



And yourself,being a proud and rather talented and gifted horse stimulator,made a nice handsome living...until much further down the track,when you discovered that copious ingestion of the spirit known as Gin,helped you contact the God Of Oztralia and soaked in Gin you delivereth...

Many unkind messages...

Billy Ruben wrote:She tried talking over the top of me,hahahahaha,I laughed in her face about exposing her for years of lies and relying on the generosity of others with those lies.I also said,the only reason she outed her name,phone number etc,was to lend credibilty to those lies...and that's excatly how it is...besides,she's completely mad.For now on,she only fools the fools,like Palomino,but others who suspected truth to her...there is none.She called me a big dickless cock and hung up...wooooooo,arguement defeating line that one...

Billy Ruben wrote:It's a small forum dip-shit,you can't spam and hide and hope half a dozen posters will help bury it.How'd you feel about Cori being here last night,oh,that's right,hahahahahahahaha,you ran away and logged off,like you do everytime that tiny brain has no way of worming its way out,hahahahahaha...F*ck Yeah...

True Lilly wrote:

But on another matter:
This is a "dumb crime",
of 'Billy Ruben aka Jason aka Jase';
Received: 19-8-2011

Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up,cops wont help u
.up urs sweetie

True Lilly wrote:
No 'Billy Ruben', so why don't 'you' enlighten us,
as to WHY 'you' love to PUBLICLY BRAG that 'you' HAVE
POLICE WILLING TO ACT CORRUPTLY FOR 'YOU'?[/size]
Just to make it clear;
how does 'Billy Ruben' believe this 'proves' that
I am 'not' a victim of bitter individuals who are also
criminally corrupt public officials, who cover each other's arses?

Billy Ruben wrote:Billy Says:

Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up,cops wont help u
.up urs sweetie

True Lilly wrote:And it get 'better'. Just in...

Billy Ruben wrote:Sucked in jewish dog
rooting lying slut,do u
know the real reason
i got the cops to
ignore u,huh?ur a
goner

Billy Ruben wrote:Soon as negotiations
r finalised demons
will disapear u,errrr!

Billy Ruben wrote:well,call the police and file a complaint

True Lilly wrote:
And it get 'better'. Just in...

Billy Ruben wrote:Prove it slag,someone must've hacked my phone,I did'nt say that....

Billy Ruben wrote:Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.

Billy Ruben wrote:For any of you who fell for her lies and probably donated money or things to her,feel bitter and angry,you have a right to be.
She's like Goebbels,repeat the lie often enough,people tend to buy it...and that's exactly how she works,self loathing jew Nazi Sympathizer...fark her!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:JUST RANG THE LYING COW,SHE AVOIDED ALL THE QUESTIONS HAD NOTHING TO SAY AND HER SPEECH WAS SO SLOWED AND SLURRED,SHE WAS DOSED UP ON SOMETHING,PITY,IT DOES'NT REMOVE HER DELUSIONS ABOUT EVERYONE SHE INTERACTS WITH.I WROTE HER OFF,NO SWEARING OR THREATS AND LAUGHED IN HER FACE FOR DESTROYING HER CREDIBILTY (VERY LITTLE OF) AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE DENIES AND SPAMS AWAY,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT AND SHE'LL NEVER RECOVER FROM IT."sHE SAYS,I GOT TO GO NOW,THANKYOU",IN THAT HIDEOUS PIXIE SHIT TONE VOICE OF HERS,UGLY OUTSIDE AND UGLY TO THE BONE THAT ONE IS...THIS IS VICTORY...THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STEP WAY OVER THE LINE,FOR TOO LONG,THIS HAS BEEN COMING...SHE'S SO UGLY,YOU GOT NO IDEA,THE VULGARNESS OF ITS VOICE,HIDEOUS.HERE'S HER PHONE NUMBER:0424705576...SORRY,I CHOSE BROWN,BROWN FOR POOP THAT DRIVELS OUT HER MOUTH...

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:...or, a SHOVEL...
...'Billy Ruben', please stop threatening me with death,
over the phone...
...and in other ways...

it would be really nice if what I post Would appear AS I write and format it
first time, every time...
but that ain't gunna happen, is it....prob for the best....

LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR...AND PROVE IT!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT!!!

iT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY,YES,SO WHY WASTE IT MAKING UP STORIES,THAT YOU LAUGH IN MY FACE,I DO THAT TO YOU,YOU HANG UP,EVERYTIME,YOU MISERABLE OLD GOAT.yOU GOT YOUR CRACKPOT MATES...AND I HAVE MY FAMILY,RIGHT HERE AND NOW,LOVING BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE,SAME AS WHAT YOU USED TO HAVE,UNTIL YOU DID AN ABRAHAM...AND ACTUALLY SACRIFICED THEM FOR YOUR LOVING BENEVOLENT GOD,THAT PUT CHILDPORN ON YOUR PC,TOLD YOU HE'S A DEMON,BUT OH NO,YOU KNOW BETTER...STILL GOING THROUGH YOUR THREAD,QUIET YOU,OH,YOU SPAMMED,BAD GIRL,REVENGE...BUT SHE LIVES ALONE,SO WHO PUT THE CHILD-PORN THERE,SHE DID,TRYING TO SET HER FAMILY UP,OR SHE GENUINELY LIKES IT,WELL,SHE CAN TELL THAT TO THE JUDGE


Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note****

CHILD PORN ALERT/PEADOPHILIA ALERT/BABYFUCKER ALERT/CHILD MOLESTER ALERT/ALERT,ALERT,ALERT!!!!!

BAD WOMAN,SUZY RYAN KEEPS CHILD-PORN ON HER PC...ARREST,PROSECUTE,THROW AWAY THE KEY...SUSPECT DOG MOLESTER TOO!!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note****

CHILD PORN ALERT/PEADOPHILIA ALERT/BABYFUCKER ALERT/CHILD MOLESTER ALERT/ALERT,ALERT,ALERT!!!!!

BAD WOMAN,SUZY RYAN KEEPS CHILD-PORN ON HER PC...ARREST,PROSECUTE,THROW AWAY THE KEY...SUSPECT DOG MOLESTER TOO!!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:and more babyfuckers and occultist,that she knows nothing about,hence the ineffective Kinesiology bullshit she recommends...

you are the babyfucker and have childporn,cause you're a sick fucked up unit and blame others,time for Gaol Suzy,I will use this next with the police,don't believe,just watch me,babyfucker...

Hang on,I forgot,back in a sec...F*ck,God wiped my mind clear...ah,that's right,bumped,the thread of importance,the one that shows Suzys pre-occupation with child porn and accusing all and sundry of doing it,Go on,ring her phone,just to hear that evil,pixie voice of hers,she's a hideous troglydite...horrible,evil nasty witch,beware little children and puppies and especially little kitty friends,evil,pure evil...Hansel and Gretel met their end with this one long ago...she uses puppies instead of candy...
0424705576

...and like she accused Ozpixie as Christine,the one who blackmails men after making them F*ck goats and when I investigated,turns out True Lilly and I have no idea of her first name,she denies she made the post,when I found it and replicated it...lying bitch,but here's the truth...it's her and her mob,that sleep with the doggies...errrrrrr,Cthulhu



F*ck You,Zieg Heil!!!You are a parasiteFACT!!!I AM CAT!!!For The CHILDREN!!!
now how does that feel dragon,to be on the receiving end...Grrr,take that!!!errrrrrrrrrrrrr,CTHULHU!!!...and you made me hate God,now,I hate you...GRRRRR

el kabong wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEtbfzMLVWU&ob=av2e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPshffbyYQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2obHLK6iW7g




git yer groove on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWZwLCKyR1Q




.








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jj3wZVc7nw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIccZsURyLc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gha79UZVRk0&ob=av2n



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRRLTxIxNtM






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubBpu3MHmtM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9F_z0B2TA

el kabong wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyQGn6E3Lcg&feature=related



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqyv87h_zNA&feature=fvst

rodin wrote:Sod with the Icke facemask - you are a despicable liar.
911 was a provable controlled demolition job. Plus the arial shot of
debris + the 'tiliting tower' argument came straight from Tel Aviv
teleprompter

Billy Ruben the probable Jew - you are correct all
buildings were CD. Let's go one step further to who had the opportunity
means & motive

theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

So Billy are we prepared to get to the bottom of the Rabbi hole? Pursuit of truth comes before defence of position... and there IS an after life and we WILL be judged...

Hey, "el kabong",
don't forget to spam over the thread
that WARNS AUSTRALIANS about HOW,
"YOU & YOUR mates" WORK AT
BETRAYING AUSTRALIA...

...so much news lately, that examples this opinion
(that came after, I posted the same opinion ), that
I don't know where to begin...probably should have
more than 31/2 hours sleep, and finished my first
coffee before it went cold, prior to attempting to
to put it together...ah but why bother at all...when
anyone who can't see it for themselves by now, is
probably 'permanently blind', or part of that most
TRAITOROUS CABAL.

true lilly wrote:Calls to sack MP for extremist support

6:04PM
AAP
SENATOR Cory Bernardi
is facing an angry backlash
after promising to help organise
notorious Dutch MP Geert Wilders'
visit to Australia.

Yes, it's also rather telling that none of the many
Australians at David Icke Official Forums, or,
ANY of TEAM TINTIN have bothered to cover this
NEWS (that is CHOCK FULL of what TEAM TINTIN
posted many of 'their' TWISTED [NON]linked, 'links'),
NOW, when ACTUAL LINKS between ACTUAL people,
in CURRENT, AUSTRALIAN And DUTCH Governments,
are flagging what I so long ago, warned to watch for.

Calls to sack Cory Bernardi over his support to
controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders
AAP
From:Herald Sun
September 07, 2011 6:04PM


Dutch anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders
wants to visit Australia. Picture: AFP Herald Sun


Liberal senator Cory Bernardi.
Picture: Kym Smith Herald Sun

LIBERAL senator Cory Bernardi is facing an angry backlash and calls
for his scalp after he promised to help controversial Dutch politician
Geert Wilders organise his visit to Australia.

Mr Wilders, 48, has faced accusations of racial vilification
for his hostile views on Islam.

He provoked outrage among the Netherland's Muslim community after
branding Islam a violent religion, likening the Koran to Hitler's Mein
Kampf and calling the Prophet Mohammed a pedophile.

Senator Bernardi has admitted extending an invitation to assist Mr Wilders
with "his schedule or arranging appropriate meetings" in Australia.

But has since moved to distance himself from the visit.

Senator Bernardi is the shadow parliamentary secretary for families
and assisting the opposition leader.

Related Coverage

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• Ambitious MP fans flames of love Herald Sun, 22 May 2011
  

Treasurer Wayne Swan said Senator Bernardi had a history of
indiscretions espousing right-wing extremist views and the issue would
be a test for Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's integrity.

He said if Mr Abbott failed to act, it would be telling of his own views.

"It will just demonstrate Mr Abbott is someone who can't be believed and
is someone who also sides with extremists," he told ABC TV.

Labor frontbencher Peter Garrett echoed the call saying Mr Wilders had
dangerous views "which are completely at odds with Australian culture
and Australian values.

"Mr Abbott should show some leadership,
discipline this senator, remove him from his portfolio
responsibilities," he told reporters in Sydney today.

Mr Garrett declined to say if he believed Mr Abbott should have Senator Bernardi
expelled from the Liberal Party, in the way John Howard had Pauline Hanson
disendorsed as a candidate ahead of the 1996 election.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott denied Senator Bernardi was
trying to bring Mr Wilders to Australia.

"That's not the position, he's not," the Liberal leader told reporters in Brisbane.

"The coalition has nothing to do with the organisation of any trip."

Senator Bernardi has previously called for the burqa to be banned, although
this view is not endorsed by his coalition colleagues.

The British initially banned Mr Wilders from visiting their shores in early
2009 because of fears he would threaten community harmony and public
security.

Labor senator Kate Lundy would not say whether Australia should ban Mr Wilder's
from visiting.

"Mr Wilders will have to go through the normal processes for applying for a visa,"
she told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday.

She said Senator Bernardi was sponsoring Mr Wilders' visit
"like he was some sort of rock star".

"Mr Wilders' views are very hurtful and offensive to Muslims and I think to many Australians," she said.

Australian Greens senator Richard Di Natale
condemned Senator Bernardi's associations with the Dutch hardliner.

"Multiculturalism is one of this country's great successes and it must be defended," he said.

The question is whether Tony Abbott is prepared to defend it from those in his ranks.

In 2009, Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull sacked Cory Bernardi from
being shadow parliamentary secretary for disabilities, carers and the
voluntary sector, following his thinly veiled slur about fellow South
Australian Christopher Pyne.

Speaking to reporters in Sydney, senior coalition frontbencher Joe Hockey said
Wilders was an unpleasant character who should be avoided.

"This gentleman seems like a very unpleasant character and I think
it's far better we have nothing to do with him," he said.

Mr Hockey declined to say if he believed Senator Bernardi should be disciplined
for supporting families portfolio.

"I'm not going to speculate on those matters," he said.

Mr Hockey said he was sure Mr Abbott was telling the truth when the
opposition leader said he did not offer to organise Mr Wilders' visit
to Australia.

"I'm sure that Tony Abbott is telling the truth," Mr Hockey said.
______________________________________________________

...yet, RABID Anti-Semite David Icke,
and all his RABID Anti-Christ Followers,
have the gall to PROMOTE his coming here,
TO CHARGE US TO HAVE HIM PREACH
HIS ANTI-CHRIST RELIGION AT US!

True Lilly wrote:...yet, RABID Anti-Semite David Icke,
and all his RABID Anti-Christ Followers,
have the gall to PROMOTE his coming here,
TO CHARGE US TO HAVE HIM PREACH
HIS ANTI-CHRIST RELIGION AT US!

true lilly wrote:

but,

the way that you say it...[/i][/u][/color] [/size]

SEE! UNDERSTAND!
That The Word's have DIFFERENT,
DESCRIPTIVE, ROOT MEANINGS,
depending on The TIME, PLACE
and CONTEXT they are used,
and apply!


[/color]MANY GENERATIONS AFTER NOAH,
YET "YOU" ALL LIE
that NOAH
"was after The Land Divided"
and
"landed on the YET UNFORMED,
Mount Ararat".

"YOU" ALL DENY THE WORD OF GOD,
to FORCE BELIEF IN "YOUR" FALSE,
INSANELY TOO SHORT,
"out of Egypt", "time-line".[/b][/color]

SEE, UNDERSTAND, that man's words,
like man, ARE LIMITED, whereas,
GOD IS LIMITLESS, like
THE FULL, DEEP, DESCRIPTIVE
ROOT MEANINGS of
EACH WORD of GOD'S WORD.

Studies in the Book of Genesis
Part 3:
The Table of Nations in
Genesis 10--Its Content
Allen P. Ross
The previous article in this series dealt with the structure of
the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.1 The deliberate design in its
construction, symmetry, and unity were examined in an effort to
understand its purpose as a tOdl;OT. But in addition to the evi-
deuce from its structure, there is a wealth of information about
the nations of the world that is important for the complete under-
standing of this chapter within the message of Genesis.
The Analysis of the Passage
The heading of the chapter (Gen. 10:1) declares that this is
the record of the particulars of what became of Shem, Ham, and
Japheth after the Flood. The verse serves not only as a heading for
the Table, but also as a literary connection back to Genesis 9:18
and 28. It is to be read with the oracle of Noah in mind!
THE SONS OF JAPHETH (10:2-5)
In the listing of Noah's sons, Japheth usually comes last. But
here he is first because the tribes descended from Japheth were
spread across the remote lands of the north and therefore were
less involved in Israel's history.
The connection of Japheth and ]Iapeto<j of the Greek tradi-
tion is striking.2 In both Greek and Hebrew traditions, then,
]Iapeto<j was the ancestor of the Greeks. Genesis, however, shows
him to be fully human.3 He is simply the ancestor of many north-
22
The Table of Nations in Genesis 10 - Its Content 23
ern tribes who were non-Semitic in physiognomy, language, and
custom.4
The sons of Japheth are seven. Gomer, mentioned also in
Ezekiel 38:6, represents the Cimmerians, thought to be of the
same stock as the Scythians.5 Magog is also mentioned in Ezekiel
(38:2 and 39:6) as the land of Gog, the region between Armenia
and Cappadocia; the name seems to represent the Scythian
hordes southeast of the Black Sea.6 Madia (ydamA) is the normal
Hebrew word for the Medes (Isa. 13:17) or Media (2 Kings 17:6),
east of Assyria and southwest of the Caspian Sea. Even though
the Median Empire was not formed until the seventh century,
this does not mean that such a people were not known earlier as a
group in the Lake Van area. The text of Shalmaneser III refers to
them in a way that implies they were older inhabitants.
Javan is the general word for the Hellenic race, used
throughout the Old Testament for the Ionians who dwelt in
western Asia Minor.7
Tubal and Meshech are always found together in the Bible;
they represent northern military states (Ezek. 27:13; 32:26;
38:2; 39:1; and Isa. 66:19). Tubal is equivalent to Tibareni in
Pontus; and Meshech is located in the Moschian mountains near
Armenia .8 Their range was from eastern Asia Minor to the
Black Sea.
Tiras has been identified in classical writings as the Thra-
cians living in the area of the river Tiras 9 It is now popular to
identify them as the Pelasgian pirates of the Aegean coasts men-
tioned in Merneptah's list of seafaring peoples.10
From these seven, seven more were derived. From Gomer
came Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. Ashkenaz appears to
represent a northern branch of Indo-Germanic tribes related to
the Scythians.11 Riphath may bear a remote resemblance to the
name of the river Rhebas near the Bosphorous, or the Riphaean
mountains to the west. Josephus suggested these were the
Paphlagonians.12 Togarmah seems to represent the extreme
north in Ezekiel 27:14 and 38:6.13
From Javan came four "sons"--two geographical names
and two tribal names--all of which are kin to the Greeks.
Elishah is to be identified with the place Alashiyah on the island
of Cyprus.14 Tarshish is the name of a distant coast reached only
by sea (Isa. 66:19; Jer. 10:9; Ezek. 27:12). It has been identified
with several places on the southern coasts of Asia Minor, places
founded by Phoenician shippers.15 Kittim is preserved in the
24 Bibliotheca Sacra - January-March 1981
name of Kition (or Kettion), also on the island of Cyprus;16 this
plural noun refers to the people who inhabited that island, as well
as other islands east of Rhodes.
Dodanim, the last of the four from Javan, is difficult to
identify because of a textual problem. The word, spelled "Roda-
nim" in 1 Chronicles 1:7, would represent the inhabitants of
Rhodes. But the Qere at that passage suggests the spelling
"Dodanim." Moreover, Ezekiel lists a Dedan among northern
merchants (27:15). Neiman suggests they are the Dodanoi, the
people of Dodona, the most ancient oracle in Greece.17
These descendants of Japheth may be broadly summarized
as Cimmerians, Scythians, Medes, Hellenes, and Thracians.
From the fourteen names given, the text adds that from
these the isles of the nations were divided in lands, by tongues,
after families, in nations. They dwell in remote lands and
distant isles.
It should be noted in passing that these names occur fre-
quently in prophetic writings. In Genesis the great military
hordes and western merchants are rather remote. They do not
come into play, so far as the destiny of Israel in the land is
concerned, until much later. Genesis knows something about
them, but they are far beyond the movements of the patriarchs.
They too will eventually subjugate the inhabitants of the land.
THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)
More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of
Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,
Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-
Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine
respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both
places and tribes.
Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to
Africa.

The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is
used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.

Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In
antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern
flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it
served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the
Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the
African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.

Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost
ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt.

Put is used six times in the Bible, usually representing a
warlike people used as mercenaries in the Egyptian armies (e.g.,
Ezek. 27:10).
Some connect Put with Somaliland, known as Punt
(pwn.t).20 But the identification of Put with Punt is phonetically
problematic.21 Thus the identification with Libya seems to have
more support although not by similarity of names.22

The last of the four is Canaan, which normally represents the
land of Palestine and Phoenicia with its kaleidoscopic mixture of
races, a natural result for a country which is the "bridge" of
continents.23

The name Canaan has been connected with
various etymologies including the Hurrian kinahhu, a reddish-
purple shellfish dye.24 References from antiquity show the name
is geographical. Possibly it may have been used of the merchant
class in early commercial activities.26 Exclusive to the Old
Testament is the use of the term for inhabitants of the area in a
general sense. It later came to mean the pre-Israelite population
without distinction of race or social status. These many tribes
are in some way related to Canaan, and thus are called
Canaanites.
The lines of three of these are now carried further in the
expanding list. First are listed five sons of Cush, all of whom
show expansion in Arabia.27 Seba is usually identified with
Upper Egypt on the Nile, with the ancient city of Meroe between
Berber and Khartoum. Havilah, which means "sand-land," could
fit several areas according to its usage: Ishmaelite Arab territory
(Gen. 25:18), eastern Arabia on the Persian Gulf (Gen. 10:29), the
Ethiopian coast (Gen. 10:7), or even India as an extension of the
east (Gen. 2:11). The fact that Havilah is mentioned under both
Shem and Ham shows mixing of the races: both Shemites and
Hamites lived there.

Sabtah is near the western shore of the Persian Gulf. It has
to been identified as Shabwat, ancient Hadhramaut28 Raamah
appears to have been in southwest Arabia; Sabteca is possibly to
be identified with Samudake, east toward the Persian Gulf.
So these five tribal regions in the lower sections of Arabia
were populated with descendants from Ham. Of them, Raamah
produced two other tribes: Sheba and Dedan. Sheba is the name
of the ancient kingdom in southwest Arabia whose metropolis is
Marib, forty-five miles east of Sena'a of Yemen .29 Dedan is associ-
with modern 'Ula in northern Arabia, an important trading
center from antiquity, bordering on Edom (Ezek. 25:13; 27:20).
Some of the people of Sheba and Dedan traced their ancestry
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back through the Cushite Raamah; others traced their ancestry
to Joktan in the line of Shem (10:29).
Inserted in the Table is the story of Nimrod (Gen. 10:8-12).
This is the first dlayA ("begot") section and forms a major stylistic
break from the tribal and territory names preceding it. The verse
need not be interpreted to say that Nimrod was the actual son of
Cush, but that is possible. Many attempts have been made to
identify him, but the most plausible is the reflection of the name
in Ninurta, the god of hunting and war.30
Because his name has been connected with the root dramA ("to
rebel"), and because of the statements made about him, he seems
to represent tyrannical power. Genesis 10:9 describes him as a
mightly hunter,31 a term often used for the hunting of men, and
the founder of the colossal powers of the east, which suggests he
is not just someone known for his derring-do.
Genesis 10:10 lists these cities as the "beginning" of his
kingdom: Babel, Erech, and Accad (and Calneh in the land of
Shinar). Since Babel, the well-known city of Babylon, is listed
first, it is not surprising to see it as the subject of the next
narrative (11:1-9), where it is described as the first gathering
point of the race.
Erech is the Akkadian Uruk, to be identified with ancient
Warka, the city of heroes like Gilgamesh 32 It is one hundred
miles southeast of Babylon. Accad is another ancient city, the
Agade of Sargon, north of Babylon on the Euphrates. It declined
sharply in importance about 2000 B.C.
Calneh is nowhere attested in cuneiform. While some have
tried to find a city so named in the great Shinar region, many
have followed Albright and translated it "and all of them.”33
The second part of the Nimrod digression lists the cities he
colonized (Gen. 10:11-12). Nimrod went out to Assyria34 and
built Nineveh, Rehoboth-Ir, Calah, and Resen. Nineveh is the
most famous city of Assyria (just as Babel was for the other
region). Rehoboth-Ir could be explaining Nineveh, but probably
is the suburb of Rebit Nina. Calah is Kalhu, modern Nimrud
situated twenty miles south. Resen may be Risnu, between the
other cities. It seems that all these cities were close enough
together to be one great metropolis.
Nimrod's exploits extended over two geographical areas,
Shinar and Assyria, and included seven cities. All these are part
of the Hamitic line.35
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After this dlayA section, another follows: Mizraim developed
into tribes. From the Egyptians sprang the Ludim, a group of
African tribes west of the Delta;36 the Anamim, in the vicinity of
Cyrene;37 the Lehabim, the Libyans on the north African shore
(Nah. 3:9 and Dan. 11:43); the Naphtuhim, the people of the
Delta (Lower Egypt); the Pathrusim, the people of Upper Egypt;38
the Casluhim, the people who dwelt east of the Delta between
Egypt and Canaan;39 and the Caphtorim, the Cretans.40
The clause "from whence come the Philistines" is problem-
atic because of its position in the text. Scripture connects the
origin of the Philistines with Caphtor (Amos 9:7; Deut. 2:23;
Jer. 47:4), but the Caphtorim, the Cretans, come after this
clause. While some have suggested rearranging the clauses, it
may not be necessary. The clause in the Table suggests migration
and not lineage. Amos has the Philistines from Caphtor in the
same sense that Israel was from Egypt--migration and not
origination.41 The difficulty may be solved by looking at their
origin and their migration from the Aegean bases through Caph-
tor into the Delta and finally into Palestine.
But part of the problem is the general assumption that this
name is anachronistic since all sources so far attest that the
Philistines in the strict sense date from around 1200 B.C. But the
Philistines of Genesis are quite different from those of later
periods. Grintz concluded that they were different enough to
posit successive migrations of different tribes .42 He concluded
there were three migrations: the first was the migration of
Pelasgo-Philistine tribes from Casluhim (Genesis and Exodus),
the second was the movement of the Philistines from Caphtor to
Gaza, and the third was the further movement of the Pelasgo-
Philistines in the period of Rameses III. Therefore the tribes from
Mizraim are seven, and out of one come the Philistines. If this be
so, then the powerful Egyptian influence carried far north into
the Aegean.
The final Hamite line to be traced is that of the sons of
Canaan (Gen. 10:15-19). This line focuses on the peoples living
in the land promised to Israel. In fact, the section closes with
the territorial boundaries specifically given.
Once again a dlayA section is inserted to introduce the cities and
tribes. The first-begotten is Sidon, the predominant Phoenician
city.44 This suggests that the founder gave his name to the city.
Heth, the Hittites in the Old Testament, is problematic here
under Canaan. The text is listing a mixed population in Canaan,
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and so the term is justified if it describes Hittites who swept
south in vast ethnic movements.45
A series of tribes are mentioned beginning with the Jebu-
sites. The Jebusites dwelt in Jebus (Jerusalem) and were part of
the early stock of Canaanite tribes. The Amorites pose another
problem. The term can refer to a mixed population in the land in
general. It does not fit the description of the western Semites
whose center was in Mari.46 These are smaller ethnic groups that
inhabited the mountains around Jordan.
Very little is known about the Girgashites and the Hivites.
They are mentioned only in the cliche lists for Canaanites in
Edom, Shechem, and Gibeon.47 Possibly terms like "Hivite" and
"Hittite" are used pejoratively and ideologically, but as North
says, "we cannot see that all organic link of origin with those
foreign populaces is excluded."48
The rest of the list includes the Arkites, those living in Leba-
non north of Sidon; the Sinites near 'Arqa; the Arvadites, the
most northerly of Phoenician cities north of the river El Kebir; the
Zemarites, those living in the town of Sumra (modern) north of
‘Arqa; and the Hamathites, the inhabitants of Hamath on the
Orontes. Hamath, it may be noted, is the central point of the
northern boundary of the land.
It is clear that the writer wished to emphasize the names of
the Canaanites who dwelt in the land promised to Israel because
he mentions the familiar boundary notices in all directions, from
the cities of the plain to Gerar to the northern extremities. Such
an emphasis coming after the account of the curse of Canaan and
written for a people who were to dispossess these Canaanites
would have great impact.
THE SONS OF SHEM (10:21-31)
A new heading lists the relationship of Shem to Japheth (the
brother) and Eber (the descendant)--the former speaking of an
alliance based on Genesis 9 and the latter speaking of the connec-
tion in the line to the Hebrews.
The first name in the list is Elam. Descendants of Shem early
penetrated the highlands east of Babylon even though they were
later not the dominant racial or linguistic group.49 Asshur,
Shem's second son, is the name for the region and people of
Assyria. Arpachshad, the third name, is the ancestor of the
Hebrews. Arpachshad's meaning and location have caused con-
siderable speculation, but he can only be generally listed as resid-
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ing northeast of Nineveh.50 Lud is probably the Ludbu of the
Assyrians, situated on the Tigris. Aram is the name of the Ara-
mean tribes of antiquity living in the steppes of Mesopotamia.
The descendants from Aram--Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash -
are not well known. They seem to be located in the north between
Armenia and Mesopotamia.51
The passage then refers to the developing line from Arpach-
shad, using the dlayA form through Shelah to Eber. One of Eber's
sons is Peleg, in whose days the earth was divided (probably
referring to the division of nations at Babel 52). Once the Table
mentions Peleg, it traces his line no further. Rather, it lists the
many tribes from Joktan, using the dlayA formula again.
The first tribe was Almodad, referring to a South Arabian
people. The second is Sheleph, another tribe of the southern
Arabian peninsula.54 Hazarmaveth, the third, is identified with
the exporter of myrrh known as Hadramaut in Southern
Arabia. Jerah and Hadoram are difficult, but are assumed to be
in the same vicinity. Uzal is the designation of San'a, the old
capital of Yemen. Diklah, the Arabic name for "date-palm," may
refer to an oasis. Obal seems to be 'Abil, a term used for several
localities in Yemen. Abimael is taken to be a genuine Sabaean
formation, with the ma being emphatic ("my father, verily, he
is God").
Sheba was also listed under Ham; the name here attests to
the fact that Joktanites lived there as well.56 Ophir and Havilah,
also listed under Ham, were southern Arabian territories rich in
gold. Jobab is assumed to be identical to Yuhaybib in South
Arabia.
These thirteen descendants of Joktan represent settled Ara-
bian tribes in the peninsula. Israel would find ancient blood ties
with the Joktanites of the desert of Arabia, as well as her relatives
to the east.
The final verse of the chapter forms the colophon-type end-
ing of the Table. All families came from the sons of Noah, but
these families listed here have significant developments (dlayA) as
far as Israel's interests are concerned.
The Meaning of the Passage
Most commentators observe that the Table demonstrates the
unity of the human race. Coming from the sons of Noah, the
survivors of the Flood were fruitful and multiplied.
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But the passage is far more complex than that. The Table is a
select list of names, and that selection must serve a purpose. The
names are names of individuals, cities, tribes, and nations
arranged according to the genealogical connections of the ances-
tors or founders. The pattern of the Table is segmented rather
than linear; it is designed to show blood ties, treaties, alliances
and other connections between existing peoples.
That the promised land is central to the Table can be seen
from the arrangement of the descendants. The Japhethites are
spread from east to west across the northern frontier; the Ham-
ites surround the land from south to west; and the Shemites are
traced from the eastern to the southern borders of the land.
Moreover, the preoccupation with the Canaanites in the land of
promise shows the concern of the writer to fit the Table to the
message of the book: the fulfillment of God's promise to bless
Israel as a nation in that land, and to bless those nations that
bless her, and curse those who are antagonistic to her.
The Table then deliberately selected these tribes and traced
their development. This was done by expanding (in the dlayA ["be-
got"] sections) important elements found in the basic genealogy
(the yneB; ["sons of"] structure). From the heading (tOdlOT, "particu-
lars") it is clear that the passage was designed to do just this. The
purpose of this tOdl;OT in Genesis is to trace what became of
Noah's descendants, but the particular items included in this
genealogy were selected because of their significance for Israel.
The tOdl;OT of the yneB; Noah moves in four directions (in each of
the dlayA sections). Through these four sections the genealogy
focuses on the dominant kingdoms of Assyria and Shinar, the
powerful Egyptian tribes, the Canaanite tribes in their lands, and
the Arabian tribes of the line of Shem. These are peoples with
whom the new nation of Israel would have dealings in accord with
the oracle of Noah in Genesis 9.
According to Genesis, the new nation of Israel was to be
blessed as God's people in the land of Canaan. God's plan to bless
Israel involved the movement, displacement, and subjugation of
other peoples. The oracle of Noah in Genesis 9 anticipated the
blessing for Shem, along with Japheth, and the cursing of Ca-
naan, a son of Ham. This Table in Genesis 10 gives direction to
that oracle. It presents the lines of Shem and Japheth as pure
tribal groups around the promised land; it also presents the old
block of Hamites, especially the mixed races in the land of Ca-
naan, as the predominant powers on the earth. The dlayA sections
The Table of Nations in Genesis 10--Its Content 31
identify these tribes for Israel and signify their relationship to the
blessing or cursing.
Notes
1 Allen P. Ross, "The Table of Nations in Genesis 10-Its Structure," Bibliotheca
Sacra 137 (October-December 1980):340-53.
2 Apollodorus The Library 1. 2-3, Loeb Classical Library (Cambridge: Harvard
University Press, 1921), p. 12; Hesiod Works and Days, lines 50, 54, and
Theogany, lines 507-12, 543, Loeb Classical Library (Cambridge: Harvard Uni-
versity Press, 1914), pp. 6, 116, 118.
3 David Neiman, "The Two Genealogies of Japheth," Alter Orient and Altes
Testament 22 (1973):124.
4 E. Dhorme, "Les Peuples issus de Japhet d'apres le chapitre X de la Genese,"
Syria 13 (1932):28-49; Donald J. Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological
Considerations," 925th Ordinary General Meeting of the Victoria Institute,
December 6, 1954, p. 17.
5 They are listed in Assyrian as Gimirraya, and in Greek as Kimmerioi (Odys-
sey 11. 14 and Herodotus 1. 15, 103; 4. 1-142). Speiser identifies them with
Cymry as in the Welsh (E. A. Speiser, Genesis, The Anchor Bible [Garden City, NY:
Doubleday & Co., 1964], p. 63).
6 Josephus Antiquities of the Jews 1. 122-29. Skinner identified them with
barbarians called Ga-ga (John Skinner, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary
on Genesis [Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 19101, p. 197); Speiser related the name
to Gyges of Lydia and Gogaia in the Amarna Letters (Speiser, Genesis, p. 66).
7 They are called Yamanai in Sargon's texts, Ym'n in the fourteenth century Ras
Shamra tablets, and Ye-uan-(n)a in Egyptian referring to the Sea Peoples.
For a discussion of the identification of Javan with the twelve settlements iii
western Asia Minor, see Cassuto, From Noah to Abraham (Jerusalem: Magnes
Press, 1953), p. 190.
8 Wiseman says they are the same as the Hittite Tipal and Tibar district which
Naram Sin traversed around 2200 B.C. (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeolog-
ical Considerations," p. 18). Herodotus located the region in the north on the shore
of the Black Sea (Herodotus 3. 94); Josephus called them Cappadocians (Antiqui-
ties of the Jews 1. 122-29).
9 Thucydides 4. 109; Herodotus 1. 57, 59.
10 The connection with the Etruscans, suggested by Dhorme, is supported by
Wiseman. It would be comparable to the classical Tursanioi.
11 See Francis Brown, S. R. Driver, and Charles A. Briggs, A Hebrew and
English Lexicon of the Old Testament (Oxford: At the Clarendon Press, 1907), p.
79. They identify the word as Ascan(ians) with the az ending of Armenian
patronymics. The texts of Esarhaddon list Asguzai in the Lake Urmia region.
12 A textual problem makes the identification difficult; 1 Chronicles 1:6 has a'1
for the r. Since so little is known of the name, it is impossible to argue the case.
13 Hittite writings of Marsilis II (fourteenth century B. C.) list a district known as
Tagarma north of the road from Haran to Carchemish (Cassuto, From Noah to
Abraham, p. 192).
14 The name is listed on Amarna and Hittite lists. Excavations show these
people supplied purple to Tyre before being displaced by the Philistines around
1200 B.C. (Y. Lynn Holmes, "The Location of Alashiya," Journal of the American
Oriental Society 91 [19711:426-29).
15 The meaning of Tarshish is "foundry," according to David Neiman: the ships
of Tarshish carried iron ore ("Phoenician Place-Names," Journal of Near Eastern
Studies 24 (1965):113-15), Albright suggested Sardinia ("New Light on the Early
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History of Phoenician Colonization" Bulletin of the American Schools of
Oriental Research 83 [19411:14-22). Herodotus had identified it with Spain's
Tartassos (Herodotus 1. 163; 4. 152; see also Strabo 3. 151).
16 It is still a designation of the Greeks in later literature (1 Mace. 1:1; 8:5;
Babylonian Talmud Ta'anith 5b).
17 Neiman, "The Two Genealogies of Japheth," p. 121 (cf. Iliad 2. 750; 16.233-34
Odyssey 14. 327; 19. 296; Apollodorus The Library 1. 9, 16).
18 Neiman thinks it is related to the Egyptian term for "Black Land," for that title
of their land in Bohairic is Khemi; but the Hieroglyphic Egyptian begins with K
(Neiman, "The Two Genealogies of Japheth," p. 122).
19 T. Save-Soderbergh, "The Nubian Kingdom of the Second Intermediate
Period," Kush 4 (1956):54-61.
20 Kenneth A. Kitchen, "Punt and How to Get There," Orientalia, n.s. 4
(1971):184-207; Wendell Phillips, Qataban and Sheba (New York: Harcourt
Brace, & Co., 1955), p. 108.
21 The connection between the two is phonetically problematic, not only be
cause of the "n" in Punt, but also because of the "t" as against the "t" of Punt
which is only a feminine termination (J. Simons, "The 'Table of Nations' [Gen. 10]
Its General Structure and Meaning," Oudtestamentische Studien 10 [ 1954]:179)
22 The Greek and Latin versions refer to it as Libya. Josephus says Libya was
founded by Phoutes (Antiquities of the Jews 1. 132). Jubilees 9:1 takes it as Libya,
and Libyan mercenaries are well known from extra-biblical literature (but
Puntians are not) (Simons, "The 'Table of Nations,"' p. 180).
23 John C. L. Gibson, "Observations on Some Important Ethnic Terms in th
Pentateuch," Journal of Near Eastern Studies 20 (1961):217.
24 B. Maisler, "Canaan and the Canaanites," Bulletin of theAmerican Schools o
Oriental Research 102 (1946):7-12; E. A. Speiser, "The Name Phoinikes,"
Language 12 (1936):121-26.
25 Robert North, "The Hivites," Biblica 54 (1973):51.
26 The Memphis Stele of Amenophis II mentions 640 Canaanites in a social
standing (not ethnic); and the Tell El Amarna letters (EA 9, 19) mention ki-na-ha-
a-a-u. See Gibson, "Observations on Some Important Ethnic Terms," p. 217. .
27 James A. Montgomery, Arabia and the Bible (New York: KTAV Publishing
House, 1969).
28 Ibid., p. 42.
29 Cassuto, among others, believed that it had first been northern on the
peninsula, and then moved south around the eighth century B.C. (Cassuto, From
Noah to Abraham, p. 199).
30 Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations," p. 17; Bohl
"Babel and Bibel, " p. 115. Speiser takes him to be Tukulti-Ninurta I, an early ruler
of Assyria ("In Search of Nimrod," Oriental and Biblical Studies [Philadelphia
University of Pennsylvania Press, 1967], pp. 41-52).
31 The Septuagint renders dyica rOBGi as "the hunting giant," the Arabic as "the
terrible tyrant," and the Syriac as " the warlike giant." Midrash Rabbah 37:2 says
he snared people (see also Yoma 10a, and Josephus Antiquities of the Jews 1. 113-14).
32 Wiseman suggests that since Erech is written Uruk or Unuk in Sumerian, it
might be the city named after Enoch. Enoch's son was Irad, and he may have
founded Eridu (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations," p 20).
33 J. A. Thompson, "Samaritan Evidence for 'All of them in the land of Shinar
(Gen. 10:10)," Journal of Biblical Literature 90 (1971):99-102.
34 It is possible to translate it "Asshur went out," but it is probably better to take
it the other way since the story is about Nimrod's exploits, and the preceding was
only the beginning.
35 Wiseman points out that archaeology shows that the earliest inhabitant
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and languages of the region were not Semitic. Before 2600 the civilization is
"Sumerian." Moreover there is a direct cultural link between Assyria, Babylonia,
and Egypt (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations," p. 21).
36 Cassuto, From Noah to Abraham, p. 200. Los connects them to Lydian (Asia
Minor) mercenaries (F. J. Los, "The Table of Peoples of the Tenth Chapter of
Genesis," The Mankind Quarterly 7 [ 1967]:148).
37 Los connects them with On, the inhabitants of Heliopolis being meant
(ibid., p. 148). See also W. F. Albright, "A Colony of Cretan Mercenaries on the
Coast of the Negeb," Journal of the Palestine Oriental Society 1, 2 (1920-
22):117-94.
38 See Brown, Driver, and Briggs, who define it as "southland" and connect it
with the Akkadian Paturisi and the Egyptian P-to-rest (A Hebrew and English
Lexicon, p. 837). See also "Pathros"' in Isaiah 11:11 and Jeremiah 44:1.
39 Leupold thinks they may have come from Crete, earlier than the Philistines,
as part of the swarms of nations mixing with Egyptians (H. C. Leupold, Exposition
of Genesis [Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1953], p. 370).
40 They are identified with Keftiu ("the region beyond"), referring to the
Mediterranean in the Egyptian language (Skinner, Genesis, p. 214).
41 Kenneth A. Kitchen, "The Philistines," in Peoples of Old Testament Times,
ed. Donald J. Wiseman (Oxford: At. the Clarendon Press, 1973), pp. 53-54.
42 J. M. Grintz, "The Immigration of the First Philistines in the Inscriptions"
[Hebrew], Tarbiz 17 (1945):32-42; "Notes on the Immigration of the First Philis-
tines in the Inscriptions" [Hebrew], Tarbiz 19 (1947):64.
43 A. Van Selms, "The Canaanites in the Book of Genesis," Oudtestamentische
Studien 12 (1958):182-213.
44 Wiseman points out that the Table must go back before the thirteenth
century due to the omission of Tyre (Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological
Considerations," p. 21).
45 See Hans Giiterback, "Toward a Definition of the Term Hittite," Oriens 10
(1975):233-39; Harry A. Hoffner, "Some Contributions of Hittitology to Old
Testament Study," Tyndale Bulletin 20 (1969):37; and Gibson, "Observations on
Some Important Ethnic Terms in the Pentateuch," p. 225. Of course if Genesis 10
is talking about the very beginnings, then there is no need to look for migrations.
But the Hattians or Nesites, the people of Hatti, remain a problem.
46 Alfred Halder, Who Were the Amorites? (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1971), pp. 20, 65-
66; Giorgio Buccellati, The Amorites of the Ur III Period (Naples: Institutio
Orientals di Napoli, 1966); M. Liverani, "The Amorites," in Peoples of Old Testa-
ment Times, p. 102.
47 North said the Hivites must represent the Horites or Hurrian element ("The
Hivites," p. 44).
48 Ibid., p. 61.
49 Arno Poebel, "The Name of Elam in Sumerian, Akkadian, and He-
brew," American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures 48 (1931):20-
37:2 says 26• See also Wiseman, "Genesis 10: Some Archaeological Considerations,
p. 22.
50 Several have tried to connect Arpachshad with the Kasdim, or Chaldeans
(e-g•, Los, The Table of Peoples of the Tenth Chapter of Genesis,” p. 158).
51 B. Maisler, The Genealogy of the Sons of Nahor and the Historical Back-
ground of the Book of Job" [Hebrew], Zion 11 (1946):1-16.
52 See the author's article, "The Dispersion of the Nations in Genesis 11:1-9, in
the forthcoming April-June 1981 issue of Bibliotheca Sacra.
53 Most take this to be a combination of the article lxa plus ddAOm ("friend”).
54 Silph is a district of Yemen, and Salph a Yemenite tribe (G. R. Driver, "Notes
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in Some Recently Recovered Proper Names, Bulletin of the American Schools of
Oriental Research 90 [1943]:34).
55 Phillips notes that even today tribesmen of Hadramaut proudly state they are
descendants of Joktan, supposed by them to be Qahtan, great-great-great-
grandson of Shem, son of Noah, and legendary ancestor of all South Arabians
(Phillips, Qataban and Sheba, pp. 28-29).
56 Gus W. Van Beck, "Prolegomenon," in Montgomery, Arabia and the Bible, pp
xiii-xv. He suggests that there were commercial and ethnic affinities