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Post  true lilly Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:36 am

National security and anti-terrorism laws
in Australia


In
this special additional chapter of The News Manual Online, we look at a
number of Australian laws about national security, snooping and
anti-terrorism.
We examine the way such laws have developed in recent years and how
they can affect the work of journalists in that country.
While
it refers directly to legislation in Australia, it might also be
interesting for journalists from other countries with such laws or which
are thinking of making such laws.


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What
is popularly called 'the war against terror' has had major effects on
journalists throughout the world, one being an increase in the number
and severity of laws on
national security issues.


Many
democracies have implemented laws specifically to fight terrorism,
including nations which had hitherto lived in relative peace. Some of
them are explicitly titled
'anti-terrorism', some are branded as 'patriotic' while others are amendments to existing criminal codes.


However they are described, almost all impact to some degree on the work of journalists.

Although
terrorism has existed for centuries in many countries under different
names and guises such as militant nationalism, separatism and
independence movements,
Australia has been relatively untouched by organised terrorism. Even
the two biggest attacks on Australians, the Bali bombings in 2002 and
2005, happened overseas and Australians stood more chance of being
killed by terrorists while in London, New York or the Middle East than
in their own country.


However,
the seemingly random and global nature of the new wave of terrorist
atrocities drove the governments of many hitherto unscathed nations
such as Australia to
enact their own anti-terrorism laws,
especially in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks in America and
the first Bali bombing a year later. Because the so-called ‘war’
against
terrorism could not be fought along conventional lines, with military
responses to organised aggression, the new laws tried to be pre-emptive
and to rely more on
the structures and methods of the security services which, by their very nature, tended
to be more secretive and less directly accountable to the general citizenry.


Before
the latest spate of laws, many countries already had laws attempting
to combat the overthrow of governments, attacks on citizens by
political, religious or ethnic militants or invasion by other nations.


We will first look at some of the more traditional security-related laws in Australia then
some more recent anti-terrorism legislation.


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Sedition laws

Sedition laws are discussed as criminal libels in Chapter 71.
In some countries they are still actively used by governments to
suppress dissent, though in many free-speech democracies they have a
poor history and until recent times were seldom used.


According to a Parliamentary Library report cited below: "The last Australian prosecution
and jailing for sedition was in 1960, when Department of Native Affairs
officer Brian Cooper was prosecuted for urging 'the natives' of Papua
New Guinea to demand independence from Australia. He was charged under
the Queensland Criminal Code which at the time extended to Papua New
Guinea. He was convicted and sentenced to two months imprisonment with
hard labour. He committed suicide four years after losing his appeal to
the High Court."


The advent of tougher laws to counter terrorism has raised the issue again in Australia.

Sedition was traditionally behaviour which intended to: bring the government into hatred
or
contempt; excite disaffection against the government, constitution,
parliament and Kings Dominions; and bring about change to those
institutions unlawfully.


When interpreting sedition laws, judges have usually made a distinction between
talk about changing government (the free speech aspect) and practical actions which
might lead to the overthrow of a government (the criminal element). Sedition
laws said citizens can be vehement about political change but
they must not do anything to achieve it by illegal means, such as a coup
or rebellion.


In recent years, the government
has tried to extend the sedition provisions of the Criminal Code or
common law with special anti-terrorism legislation, which we will look
at shortly.


Treason,
which has traditionally been a much more serious offence, is more to
do with actual attempts on the life of the Sovereign, their
representative or a Prime Minister or with helping enemies of Australia
during times of war. Treason laws have not been used in many years in
Australia and have now effectively been replaced by provisions within
anti-terrorism legislation, most especially the Criminal Code Act 1995
as amended. You can download the most current version of the Criminal Code
(in different file formats) from the Australian Attorney-General’s Department website.


Follow this link to the Parliamentary Library for a brief official history and explanation of sedition laws in Australia.

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Official secrecy laws

Many countries have official secrets legislation to stop their citizens from passing to foreign
governments secret information which could damage the country.


This could be information about their armed forces and armaments - especially nuclear -
or weapons research, such as biological warfare. It could also include
intelligence gathering at home or spying overseas. It could even cover
matters such as emergency plans in the case of a war, where the
government will seek safety or how it will feed the nation.


The problem with most official secrecy laws - and with many modern anti-terrorism laws -
is that citizens are not told what the secret is that is being protected. This
may seem like an obvious requirement, but it can cause problems for
journalists in two main areas: you may inadvertently report something
covered by office secrecy legislation and you cannot serve your duty as
the Fourth Estate by exposing wrong-doing if it is protected by secrecy
laws.


Australia does not have an Official Secrets Act as such. It has provisions under
the Crimes Act of 1914 which restrict Commonwealth public servants from revealing
confidential
information, though the courts have interpreted this as information
affecting national security or the proper running of government, not
information which is merely critical or unflattering of the government.


Individual states and territories may have legislation to prevent the disclosure of sensitive
information, though this can cover a host of issues not related to national security, such as provisions in the Northern Territory’s Sacred Sites Act of 1989 protecting certain registers.


As with sedition, of more relevance to journalists today is anti-terrorism legislation, which we will discuss shortly.

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D-notices and the ASIO Act

One way Britain and Australia tried to find a balance between the citizen’s right to
know and government’s need to protect national security was through systems such
as D-notices.


The
D-notice system is basically an agreement between representatives from
government and the media thatthey will not broadcast or publish
material which could threaten
national security. From the first
meeting of the Australian Defence Press and Broadcasting Committee in
1952 it was an advisory system and not binding on the media, though most

did comply with it.


Although
in theory D-notices could be issued whenever the Australian government
suspected a journalist was getting close to revealing an important
secret, in practice it has merely given general guidance on the types of issues which should not be published.


In
Australia today it has falleninto disuse and the last time the
committee met was in 1982. Despite suggested for some years that it
should simply be scrapped, successive
governments have ignored such calls.


The British system – which is now called the Defence Advisory or DA system - has been mostly inactive for many years.

Some countries have also enacted specific laws to protect single aspects of national security.

For
example, in Australia the ASIO Act prevents citizens – including
journalists – from revealing the identity of any employee of the
Australian Security Intelligence Agency
without written permission from the agency’s Director General. ASIO is
the intelligence organisation set up to protect Australia from foreign threats, including
spies and terrorists. There is a similar law to protect the identities or agents or staff
working for the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS).


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Electronic interception

Australia has specific laws prohibiting ordinary citizens - including journalists - from
intercepting
private messages and using them. These laws are often called
electronic interception laws but are more popularly known as
eavesdropping, wire-tapping or
bugging laws.


The
major law in Australia is the Telecommunications (Interception and
Access) Act 1979, though there have subsequently been other laws and
amendments, both federally and by
individual states.


Essentially, these laws make it an offence to secretly listen in on another
person’s conversation or communication, whether over conventional wired
networks such as telephones, telexes or computer networks or over
wireless networks, such as mobile phones or Internet. Under various
amendments to the Crimes Act of 1914 - as recently as 2004 - it is also
illegal to make, advertise, sell or possess electronic secret
surveillance devices or software without legal authority.


The same laws make it unlawful to communicate to a third party
any information obtained through secret interception. This includes
publication or broadcasting such information by journalists.


Although the 1979 act was
originally intended to protect the privacy of telecommunications, it
also legislated for the authorities to tap into private communications
in the case of threats to national security and drug trafficking. The
act required the authorities to obtain a warrant before undertaking
eavesdropping. An amendment in 2002 included activities such as
terrorism and child pornography in the realm of legally-sanctioned
interception.


Subsequent
amendments and other laws have further extended the scope of legal
eavesdropping so that nowadays electronic interception legislation has
as much to do with
giving police and security agencies legal access
to the private communications of its citizens as it has to protecting
their privacy.
At present, the Rudd Government is considering extending the laws even
further to give private companies some rights to tap into private
telecommunications - particularly over computer networks - for the
protection of 'essential infrastructure', though it has yet to define
what this means.


Civil
liberties groups are also concerned that the government is considering
legislation allowing the police or intelligence services to tap
people’s calls or bug their conversations without a warrant.


As mentioned earlier, as with many security-related laws, citizens may not be aware
of the powers government agencies have or how they use them. And there is an added
danger for journalists in that your own conversations might be tapped or bugged by
police or intelligence services, especially if you are investigating some corrupt or dishonest behaviour.


In one of the most famous stories of investigative journalism - the Washington Post’s
Watergate reports - journalists Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein often
had to use public telephones or meet contacts in underground car parks
to minimise the danger of their office or home phones being tapped or
their conversations being bugged by the authorities.


At the end of this chapter there are links you can follow for more information.

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Anti-terrorism laws

In the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks in the United States, and
following bombings in Europe and South-East Asia, many governments
around the world introduced strict anti-terrorism laws.


Although many lawyers and civil liberties organisations argued that existing
criminal laws were sufficient to deal with the new wave of terrorism, many
governments felt their security services needed new and increased powers so
they could take action in secret, without the kind of public scrutiny which
might alert the terrorists.


In the general atmosphere of fear
- created partly by terrorist attacks and partly by the new laws
themselves - many of the basic principles of human rights,
constitutional and statutory safeguards and common law were suspended.
For example, laws restricting electronic interception were amended so
police and intelligence agencies could eavesdrop on private
conversations and tap into personal communications more easily.


In many countries, the common law protections offered by habeas corpus
for hundreds of years were reduced or suspended so that security
forces could detain suspects in secret for interrogation for longer and
longer periods. In some countries laws were introduced or changed to
prevent an arrested person’s family from knowing what had happened to
them.


Provisions
protecting freedom of speech - either constitutional or implied - were
either reduced or suspended altogether so in some circumstances it is
now an offence for a
journalist even to report that people had been arrested under anti-terrorism laws.


One positive result of this flurry of legislation in Australia - apart from any effect it
might have had on preventing terrorist acts - was to clarify a number of legal issues
which had either become dubious over the years or which had not been updated to
reflect a socially, economically and technologically complex 21st Century society.


Perhaps the most significant of these developments were the numerous
amendments to the Criminal Code Act of 1995. In all, the Australian
Parliament passed 54 amending acts between 1998 and 2008, an average of
more than five a year. Most involved anti-terrorism or other national
or economic security measures, though the Act as amended also contains
sections on people smuggling, sex offences and people trafficking, theft, fraud
and several other categories of crime.


The current version of the Criminal Code Act runs to 634 pages, including schedules.
It is perhaps one of the most complex pieces of criminal legislation on the
Australian
statutes and far too involved to examine in detail here, although the
following aspects are worth noting in relation to terrorism and
national security:

<blockquote> It consolidates a number of criminal issues, including those treason, sedition and border security.
It clarifies the maximum penalties which can apply. In the case of treason this is life in prison.


It
contains a very full definition of what constitutes terrorism and
terrorists. Essentially it defines terrorism as an act or threat of an
act for a political,
religious or ideological cause which kills or harms people or damages
or interferes with property (including electronic systems) with the
purpose of intimidating a government or the public.

</blockquote> The
Criminal Code allows the Attorney-General to list as 'terrorist
organisations' groups known to have carried out terrorist attacks or
which provide practical support to terrorists. The Attorney-General’s
Department advises that, under the Criminal Code:

<blockquote> "It
[is] an offence to direct the activities, become a member, recruit
for, train or receive training from, get funds to, from or for and
provide support to a listed
terrorist organisation. It is also an
offence to associate with another person who is a member of, or who
promotes or directs the activities of, a listed terrorist organisation.
Penalties for these offences are severe, with imprisonment for up to 25
years. A person who has trained with a listed terrorist organisation
may also be subjected to a control order."

</blockquote> The Attorney-General has listed 19 groups as 'terrorist organisations'. Names and details are available at the department’s Australian National Security website, along with other information on counter-terrorism in Australia.

Obviously the laws on terrorism and assisting terrorists apply to journalists as
to every other citizen. The anti-terrorism legislation overrides
defences of privileged information and effectively strips away whatever
limited shield law protection journalists enjoy to protect their
sources, so that contact with terrorists could expose you to serious
risk of prosecution in what you do or write.


Indeed, the laws go one step further and require every citizen - including journalists - to inform the police whenever they have information about a real or suspected terrorist or about a terrorist attack, whether planned or executed.

Some common features which could affect your work under Australian anti-terrorism and national security laws include:


  • Restrictions on what you can write or broadcast on actual or potential acts of terrorism;
  • Restrictions on information available to you about terrorism, investigations or prosecutions;

  • Restrictions on how you can obtain information about or from terrorists or suspected terrorists;

  • Restrictions on traditional protections for
    journalists' sources and, in some cases, making it an offence to
    withhold any information from police or security forces;

  • Restrictions on freedom of movement for
    journalists doing their work by giving police new powers to detain
    people or prevent access.


Media reactions to anti-terrorism laws in Australia have varied. Some journalists and
media
organisations have enthusiastically lined up behind stricter
government controls over them while others have spoken out against
them.


As with most
laws that can affect the media, as a journalist you should know when
you are out of your depth and seek advice from more senior colleagues
or lawyers employed
or retained by your organisation. Considering
that the penalties for breaching anti-terrorism and security laws can be
very severe, it is important that you understand the dangers and make
thoughtful decisions.


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TO SUMMARISE:

National
security and anti-terrorism laws affect all citizens but there is
often secrecy about how they are applied. This can make the work of
journalists
difficult and dangerous.


Sedition
laws have fallen into disuse, but are being replaced by specific laws
on national security and terrorism. It is your task as a journalist to
know what
laws apply.


It is illegal to tap into, eavesdrop on or bug private conversations and also to use any information obtained.

Many
new security and anti-terrorism laws override some traditional
freedoms - such as habeascorpus - which journalists have taken for
granted. You may need to
rethink your attitude to many other laws in these new circumstances.


Further reading

Although
legislation is never simple or straightforward, if you want to see the
exact wording of Australian and New Zealand laws, go to the Australasian Legal Information Institute (AusLII)site
and use the Advanced Search facility to browse for acts and amendments.
Note that when amendments are made to existing laws, these are
normally all wrapped up into a consolidated act.


For critiques of laws - especially legislation which is pending – you can go to organisations such as Electronic Frontiers Australia or the Communications Law Centre.

SS8,
a commercial company providing interception services internationally,
publishes a survey on interception legislation in 31 countries on its
website at http://www.ss8.com.
Note: you are required to provide contact information before
downloading the report. The Australian Mobile Telecommunications
Association (AMTA) hosts a slightly older but unrestricted pdf version
of The Ready Guide to Intercept Legislation surveying 24 countries. Note: It is a large (1.47MB) file.


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Post  mugglez Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:29 am

no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar...... thumbs up

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
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National security and anti-terrorism laws in Australia 5a6u


What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?





lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.

That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.

You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.

You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.


ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.

Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.

Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?


The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html



Counting Backwards from Now

60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia


1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth. wave


4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!


The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe

The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.

Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.



That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted... thumbs up

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[quote="le sabrage"]no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar...... National security and anti-terrorism laws in Australia 832261

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into
, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
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So, the purpose of "your" CONTINUED SPAMMING of LIBEL is, what?
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true lilly wrote:
le sabrage wrote:no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar...... National security and anti-terrorism laws in Australia 832261

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into
, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
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So, the purpose of "your" CONTINUED SPAMMING of LIBEL is, what?
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