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RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
true lilly Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:06 pm
RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
I once asked for just a little Justice. Since then, I daily see,
The Ivory Towers of those who KNOWINGLY PERPETUATE EVIL, being shaken.
They WILL FALL, and DESTROY ALL who use those 'defensive positions of respectability'
to ATTACK JUSTICE, and IT WILL BE JUST, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED.
Isaiah 14:1-32
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
1
For Jehovah will show mercy to Jacob, and he is
yet certain to choose Israel; and he will actually give them rest upon
their soil, and the alien resident must be joined to them, and they must
attach themselves to the house of Jacob.
2
And peoples will actually take them and bring them
to their own place, and the house of Israel must take them to
themselves as a possession upon the soil of Jehovah as menservants and
as maidservants; and they must become the captors of those holding them
captive, and they must have in subjection those who were driving them to
work.
3
And it must occur in the day when Jehovah gives
you rest from your pain and from your agitation and from the hard
slavery in which you were made a slave,
4
that you must raise up this proverbial saying against the king of Babylon and say:
“How has the one driving [others] to work come to a stop, the oppression come to a stop!
5
Jehovah has broken the rod of the wicked ones, the staff of the ruling ones,
6
the one striking peoples in fury with a stroke
incessantly, the one subduing nations in sheer anger with a persecution
without restraint.
7
The whole earth has come to rest, has become free of disturbance. People have become cheerful with joyful cries.
8
Even the juniper trees have also rejoiced at you,
the cedars of Leb´a·non, [saying,] ‘Ever since you have lain down, no
[wood]cutter comes up against us.’
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060342667&postcount=32055
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3172
Elsa Corp was murdered
after a parole blunder
left her killer free
by:Geoff Wilkinson
From:Herald Sun
November 07, 2011
12:00AM
107 comments
Elsa Corp was murdered during a blind date. Supplied
THE family of a young woman strangled by a parolee is still waiting
for an apology after a bureaucratic bungle left him at large, free to
kill her.
Elsa Corp, a 26-year-old hairdresser, was murdered on her first date with a man
she did not know was a violent serial offender on parole.
Her killer, David Patrick Clifford, is one of three parole violators charged with murder
after Corrections Victoria caseworkers failed to notify the Parole Board they had committed new offences which could have led to their parole being cancelled.
Corrections Victoria was notified that Clifford had been arrested on three separate
occasions before he killed Ms Corp on February 1 last year.
When he murdered Ms Corp
he was on parole for drug trafficking,
had already breached parole
and a suspended sentence
following other earlier convictions
and was awaiting sentence over
the bashing of a bar owner.
Results: Parole bungle
Thanks for voting!
Should authorities apologise to the family of a woman murdered after a parole bungle?
responsibility for their daughter's death or said they were sorry.
Mr Corp, a former UK policeman, said the family wrote to Police Minister
Peter Ryan and Corrections Minister Andrew McIntosh last week seeking
information and answers.
He said his family did not know Clifford was on parole until they read a story in the Herald Sun in June this year.
"It's absolutely gutted us, because it was a very bad failure in the system,'' Mr Corp said.
"For the sake of a bit of training, or procedure or supervision, the system fell over and failed us.
"Our daughter would probably be alive today if there hadn't been these stuff-ups''.
Ms Corp was on a blind date arranged by a girfriend
when she was beaten, slashed and strangled in a South Melbourne hotel room.
She is believed to have been lured to the room in the belief other friends were going to be there.
Clifford, 30, was due to stand trial on October 25 for Ms Corp's murder, but
decided on the eve of the three-week trial to plead guilty.
He will be sentenced after a Supreme Court plea hearing later this month.
Police handling of the parolee issue was addressed in last month's explosive report by the Office of Police Integrity.
The report said former Deputy Commissioner Sir Ken Jones had suggested to then Chief Commissioner Simon Overland that the families of victims allegedly murdered by parolees
be notified of the findings of an internal review.
Mr Overland, in an email reply he later implied was leaked by Sir Ken,
requested formal written advice prior to notifying the families.
The OPI report said Mr Overland cautioned that if Victoria Police had "let the families down (he didn't) want to exacerbate the situation by handling notification badly''.
But Mr Corp said yesterday his family had still received no formal explanation or apology from police or anyone else.
"Not at all, which hurts,'' he said.
The Herald Sun first revealed the state's parole scandal in April, when a secret
police report disclosed that 11 Victorians had been murdered by parole
violators in less than two-and-a-half years.
The report said seven of the 11 murders may have been prevented if police who had peviously dealt with the offenders over other matters had known they were on parole.
A failure in the police computer system was blamed, but after an urgent review it emerged that human error was also involved.
The review by police found that in three of those seven cases, community
corrections caseworkers were advised that parolees had been arrested
over other matters, but failed to pass the information on to the Parole Board.
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay told the Herald Sun
after the review that in one of the three cases "Offender C'' - now
known to be Clifford - had been arrested on July 7, 2008, January 26,
2009, and June 9, 2009.
Each time, the police computer notified a Justice Department computer which then advised the relevant caseworker.
Ms Corp, who lived with her parents, was one of the three victims. The other two cases are still before the courts.
Acting Chief Commissioner Lay and Corrections Victoria Commissioner, Bob Hastings, both admitted after the review that "procedural failures'' had left parole violators on the street.
It was also revealed after the review that another five murders had been committed in other states by Victorians who had absconded on parole.
Clifford's prior convictions stretch back to 1998 and
include aggravated burglary on the home of a 76-year-old woman,
false imprisonment, intentionally causing injury, assault, resisting police,
harassing a witness, breaching an intervention order, drug trafficking,
dangerous driving and possession of an unregistered firearm.
Detectives who arrested him for drug trafficking found a handgun and $68,000 cash in a backpack hidden in theceiling of his grandmother's home.
One of Clifford's brothers, Sean, was convicted of larceny by finding in Sydney in 2005 after
claiming to have found a backpack containing $263,000 in cash in a lane near his home.
The last judge to sentence David Clifford told him she thought his prospects of rehabilitation were low and specific deterrence should play a significant part in his sentence.
Judge Jane Patrick said Clifford had not shown remorse for his part in the
drunken bashing of a Fitzroy bar owner on June 13, 2008 - only a month
after he had been released on parole.
She said Clifford was of above average intelligence, but abused drugs and alcohol and had behaved like "a violent and aggressive bully''.
She sentenced him in July last year to a total of 33 months' jail for intentionally causing injury, false imprisonment and assault, with a minimum of 21 months to serve before parole.
But in June this year, the Court of Appeal cut Clifford's sentence to 24 months with a minimum of 12 months.
The appeal judges, Justices Chris Maxwell and Lex Lasry, ruled that the
discrepancy between Clifford's sentence and that of his brother Kieran, a
co-offender, was manifestly excessive.
The Court of Appeal also found Judge Patrick had not taken sufficient account of the totality
principle, which required her to assume Clifford would have to serve another 18 months as the unexpired parole period.
A Parole Board spokesman said yesterday the board was co-operating with an independent
review of its functions, powers and processes by the Sentencing Advisory Council.
He said the board had already expanded the extent of information sharing with Victoria Police and was working closely with a separate review of the Office of Correctional Services "to eliminate shortcomings in the assessment and supervision of parolees''.
A Corrections Victoria spokesman said it had "taken steps to improve
information sharing with Victoria Police and strengthen the management
of parolees''.
[email=wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au%20]wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
107 comments on this story
I once asked for just a little Justice. Since then, I daily see,
The Ivory Towers of those who KNOWINGLY PERPETUATE EVIL, being shaken.
They WILL FALL, and DESTROY ALL who use those 'defensive positions of respectability'
to ATTACK JUSTICE, and IT WILL BE JUST, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED.
Isaiah 14:1-32
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
1
For Jehovah will show mercy to Jacob, and he is
yet certain to choose Israel; and he will actually give them rest upon
their soil, and the alien resident must be joined to them, and they must
attach themselves to the house of Jacob.
2
And peoples will actually take them and bring them
to their own place, and the house of Israel must take them to
themselves as a possession upon the soil of Jehovah as menservants and
as maidservants; and they must become the captors of those holding them
captive, and they must have in subjection those who were driving them to
work.
3
And it must occur in the day when Jehovah gives
you rest from your pain and from your agitation and from the hard
slavery in which you were made a slave,
4
that you must raise up this proverbial saying against the king of Babylon and say:
“How has the one driving [others] to work come to a stop, the oppression come to a stop!
5
Jehovah has broken the rod of the wicked ones, the staff of the ruling ones,
6
the one striking peoples in fury with a stroke
incessantly, the one subduing nations in sheer anger with a persecution
without restraint.
7
The whole earth has come to rest, has become free of disturbance. People have become cheerful with joyful cries.
8
Even the juniper trees have also rejoiced at you,
the cedars of Leb´a·non, [saying,] ‘Ever since you have lain down, no
[wood]cutter comes up against us.’
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060342667&postcount=32055
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3172
Elsa Corp was murdered
after a parole blunder
left her killer free
by:Geoff Wilkinson
From:Herald Sun
November 07, 2011
12:00AM
107 comments
Elsa Corp was murdered during a blind date. SuppliedTHE family of a young woman strangled by a parolee is still waiting
for an apology after a bureaucratic bungle left him at large, free to
kill her.
Elsa Corp, a 26-year-old hairdresser, was murdered on her first date with a man
she did not know was a violent serial offender on parole.
Her killer, David Patrick Clifford, is one of three parole violators charged with murder
after Corrections Victoria caseworkers failed to notify the Parole Board they had committed new offences which could have led to their parole being cancelled.
Corrections Victoria was notified that Clifford had been arrested on three separate
occasions before he killed Ms Corp on February 1 last year.
When he murdered Ms Corp
he was on parole for drug trafficking,
had already breached parole
and a suspended sentence
following other earlier convictions
and was awaiting sentence over
the bashing of a bar owner.
Results: Parole bungle
Thanks for voting!
Should authorities apologise to the family of a woman murdered after a parole bungle?
- Yes 96.44% (2494 votes)
- No 3.56% (92 votes)
- Elsa's dreams won't come true
- Police arrest parolee Adelaide Now, 19 Jul 2011
- Eight murdered after parole bungles Perth Now, 20 Jun 2011
- Close watch following parole fiasco Herald Sun, 20 Jun 2011
- Free-to-kill parole fiasco Herald Sun, 20 Jun 2011
- 40 per cent of parolees reoffend Adelaide Now, 18 Jun 2011
responsibility for their daughter's death or said they were sorry.
Mr Corp, a former UK policeman, said the family wrote to Police Minister
Peter Ryan and Corrections Minister Andrew McIntosh last week seeking
information and answers.
He said his family did not know Clifford was on parole until they read a story in the Herald Sun in June this year.
"It's absolutely gutted us, because it was a very bad failure in the system,'' Mr Corp said.
"For the sake of a bit of training, or procedure or supervision, the system fell over and failed us.
"Our daughter would probably be alive today if there hadn't been these stuff-ups''.
Ms Corp was on a blind date arranged by a girfriend
when she was beaten, slashed and strangled in a South Melbourne hotel room.
She is believed to have been lured to the room in the belief other friends were going to be there.
Clifford, 30, was due to stand trial on October 25 for Ms Corp's murder, but
decided on the eve of the three-week trial to plead guilty.
He will be sentenced after a Supreme Court plea hearing later this month.
Police handling of the parolee issue was addressed in last month's explosive report by the Office of Police Integrity.
The report said former Deputy Commissioner Sir Ken Jones had suggested to then Chief Commissioner Simon Overland that the families of victims allegedly murdered by parolees
be notified of the findings of an internal review.
Mr Overland, in an email reply he later implied was leaked by Sir Ken,
requested formal written advice prior to notifying the families.
The OPI report said Mr Overland cautioned that if Victoria Police had "let the families down (he didn't) want to exacerbate the situation by handling notification badly''.
But Mr Corp said yesterday his family had still received no formal explanation or apology from police or anyone else.
"Not at all, which hurts,'' he said.
The Herald Sun first revealed the state's parole scandal in April, when a secret
police report disclosed that 11 Victorians had been murdered by parole
violators in less than two-and-a-half years.
The report said seven of the 11 murders may have been prevented if police who had peviously dealt with the offenders over other matters had known they were on parole.
A failure in the police computer system was blamed, but after an urgent review it emerged that human error was also involved.
The review by police found that in three of those seven cases, community
corrections caseworkers were advised that parolees had been arrested
over other matters, but failed to pass the information on to the Parole Board.
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay told the Herald Sun
after the review that in one of the three cases "Offender C'' - now
known to be Clifford - had been arrested on July 7, 2008, January 26,
2009, and June 9, 2009.
Each time, the police computer notified a Justice Department computer which then advised the relevant caseworker.
Ms Corp, who lived with her parents, was one of the three victims. The other two cases are still before the courts.
Acting Chief Commissioner Lay and Corrections Victoria Commissioner, Bob Hastings, both admitted after the review that "procedural failures'' had left parole violators on the street.
It was also revealed after the review that another five murders had been committed in other states by Victorians who had absconded on parole.
Clifford's prior convictions stretch back to 1998 and
include aggravated burglary on the home of a 76-year-old woman,
false imprisonment, intentionally causing injury, assault, resisting police,
harassing a witness, breaching an intervention order, drug trafficking,
dangerous driving and possession of an unregistered firearm.
Detectives who arrested him for drug trafficking found a handgun and $68,000 cash in a backpack hidden in theceiling of his grandmother's home.
One of Clifford's brothers, Sean, was convicted of larceny by finding in Sydney in 2005 after
claiming to have found a backpack containing $263,000 in cash in a lane near his home.
The last judge to sentence David Clifford told him she thought his prospects of rehabilitation were low and specific deterrence should play a significant part in his sentence.
Judge Jane Patrick said Clifford had not shown remorse for his part in the
drunken bashing of a Fitzroy bar owner on June 13, 2008 - only a month
after he had been released on parole.
She said Clifford was of above average intelligence, but abused drugs and alcohol and had behaved like "a violent and aggressive bully''.
She sentenced him in July last year to a total of 33 months' jail for intentionally causing injury, false imprisonment and assault, with a minimum of 21 months to serve before parole.
But in June this year, the Court of Appeal cut Clifford's sentence to 24 months with a minimum of 12 months.
The appeal judges, Justices Chris Maxwell and Lex Lasry, ruled that the
discrepancy between Clifford's sentence and that of his brother Kieran, a
co-offender, was manifestly excessive.
The Court of Appeal also found Judge Patrick had not taken sufficient account of the totality
principle, which required her to assume Clifford would have to serve another 18 months as the unexpired parole period.
A Parole Board spokesman said yesterday the board was co-operating with an independent
review of its functions, powers and processes by the Sentencing Advisory Council.
He said the board had already expanded the extent of information sharing with Victoria Police and was working closely with a separate review of the Office of Correctional Services "to eliminate shortcomings in the assessment and supervision of parolees''.
A Corrections Victoria spokesman said it had "taken steps to improve
information sharing with Victoria Police and strengthen the management
of parolees''.
[email=wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au%20]wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
107 comments on this story
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Re: RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:23 am
Go on,
Team TINTIN/ICKE
"CIGGY
BILLY" & YOUR LOCAL SCUM,
tell The Corp's that,
"NONE OF THIS HAPPENED,
UNTIL IT 'made the news'",
in front of all the
HIDDEN EVEN FROM "YOU", Lurkers,
I DAMN WELL dare "YOU".
Speaking of DOOMED...
like this "Loose Brick Chuckers",
who have NEVER BUILT ANYTHING
of ENDURING VALUE...
...the CACKLING HYENAS,
CACKLING TO LOUDLY
to HEAR THEIR HUNTERS...
RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
I once asked for just a little Justice. Since then, I daily see,
The Ivory Towers of those who KNOWINGLY PERPETUATE EVIL, being shaken.
They WILL FALL, and DESTROY ALL who use those 'defensive positions of respectability'
to ATTACK JUSTICE, and IT WILL BE JUST, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED.
Isaiah 14:1-32
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
1
For Jehovah will show mercy to Jacob, and he is
yet certain to choose Israel; and he will actually give them rest upon
their soil, and the alien resident must be joined to them, and they must
attach themselves to the house of Jacob.
2
And peoples will actually take them and bring them to their own place,
and the house of Israel must take them to themselves as a possession
upon the soil of Jehovah as menservants and as maidservants;
and they must become the captors of those holding them captive,
and they must have in subjection those who were driving them to work.
3
And it must occur in the day when Jehovah gives you rest from your pain
and from your agitation and from the hard slavery in which you were made a slave,
4
that you must raise up this proverbial saying against the king of Babylon and say:
“How has the one driving [others] to work come to a stop,
the oppression come to a stop!
5
Jehovah has broken the rod of the wicked ones,
the staff of the ruling ones,
6
the one striking peoples in fury with a stroke incessantly,
the one subduing nations in sheer anger with a persecution without restraint.
7
The whole earth has come to rest, has become free of disturbance.
People have become cheerful with joyful cries.
8
Even the juniper trees have also rejoiced at you, the cedars of Leb´a·non,
[saying,] ‘Ever since you have lain down, no [wood]cutter comes up against us.’
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060342667&postcount=32055
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3172
Elsa Corp was murdered
after a parole blunder
left her killer free
by:Geoff Wilkinson
From:Herald Sun
November 07, 2011
12:00AM
107 comments
Elsa Corp was murdered during a blind date. Supplied
THE family of a young woman strangled by a parolee is still waiting
for an apology after a bureaucratic bungle left him at large, free to
kill her.
Elsa Corp, a 26-year-old hairdresser
was murdered on her first date with a man
she did not know was a violent serial offender on parole.
(Ms Corp was on a blind date arranged by a girfriend
Kate of Brighton Posted at 8:01 AM Today
<blockquote class="comment-body">
I knew Elsa and the ghastly girl that caused
this by setting her up with this filthy bit of slime. Elsa was a
beautiful, caring fabulous girl it has been devastating to her family
and two closest friends who have stood up in the face of adversity. His
history says enough - and because of pure slackness this loser killed a
woman after beating her and burning her - bad bad bad man on the streets
of Melbourne. Vale Elsa and RIP
</blockquote>
Comment 36 0f 107)
Her killer, David Patrick Clifford, is one of three parole violators charged with murder
after Corrections Victoria caseworkers failed to notify the Parole Board they had committed new offences which could have led to their parole being cancelled.
Corrections Victoria was notified that Clifford had been arrested on three separate
occasions before he killed Ms Corp on February 1 last year.
When he murdered Ms Corp
he was on parole for drug trafficking,
had already breached parole
and a suspended sentence
following other earlier convictions
and was awaiting sentence over
the bashing of a bar owner.
Results: Parole bungle
Thanks for voting!
Should authorities apologise to the family of a woman murdered after a parole bungle?
no-one had taken responsibility for their daughter's death
or said they were sorry.
Mr Corp, a former UK policeman, said the family wrote to Police Minister
Peter Ryan and Corrections Minister Andrew McIntosh last week seeking
information and answers.
He said his family did not know Clifford was on parole
until they read a story in the Herald Sun in June this year.
"It's absolutely gutted us, because it was a very bad failure in the system,'' Mr Corp said.
"For the sake of a bit of training, or procedure or supervision, the system fell over and failed us.
"Our daughter would probably be alive today if there hadn't been these stuff-ups''.
Ms Corp was on a blind date arranged by a girfriend
when she was beaten, slashed and strangled in a South Melbourne hotel room.
She is believed to have been lured to the room in the belief other friends were going to be there.
Clifford, 30, was due to stand trial on October 25 for Ms Corp's murder, but
decided on the eve of the three-week trial to plead guilty.
He will be sentenced after a Supreme Court plea hearing later this month.
Police handling of the parolee issue was addressed in last month's explosive report by the Office of Police Integrity.
The report said former Deputy Commissioner Sir Ken Jones had suggested
to then Chief Commissioner Simon Overland that the families of victims
allegedly murdered by parolees
be notified of the findings of an internal review.
Mr Overland, in an email reply he later implied was leaked by Sir Ken,
requested formal written advice prior to notifying the families.
The OPI report said Mr Overland cautioned that if Victoria Police had
"let the families down (he didn't) want to exacerbate the situation by
handling notification badly''.
But Mr Corp said yesterday his family had still received no formal explanation or apology from police or anyone else.
"Not at all, which hurts,'' he said.
The Herald Sun first revealed the state's parole scandal in April, when a secret
police report disclosed that 11 Victorians had been murdered by parole
violators in less than two-and-a-half years.
The report said seven of the 11 murders may have been prevented if police who had peviously dealt with the offenders over other matters had known they were on parole.
A failure in the police computer system was blamed, but after an urgent review it emerged that human error was also involved.
The review by police found that in three of those seven cases, community
corrections caseworkers were advised that parolees had been arrested
over other matters, but failed to pass the information on to the Parole Board.
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay told the Herald Sun
after the review that in one of the three cases "Offender C'' - now
known to be Clifford - had been arrested on July 7, 2008, January 26,
2009, and June 9, 2009.
Each time, the police computer notified a Justice Department computer which then advised the relevant caseworker.
Ms Corp, who lived with her parents, was one of the three victims. The other two cases are still before the courts.
Acting Chief Commissioner Lay and Corrections Victoria Commissioner, Bob
Hastings, both admitted after the review that "procedural failures''
had left parole violators on the street.
It was also revealed after the review that another five murders had been
committed in other states by Victorians who had absconded on parole.
Clifford's prior convictions stretch back to 1998 and
include aggravated burglary on the home of a 76-year-old woman,
false imprisonment, intentionally causing injury, assault, resisting police,
harassing a witness, breaching an intervention order, drug trafficking,
dangerous driving and possession of an unregistered firearm.
Detectives who arrested him for drug trafficking found a handgun and
$68,000 cash in a backpack hidden in theceiling of his grandmother's
home.
One of Clifford's brothers, Sean, was convicted of larceny by finding in Sydney in 2005 after
claiming to have found a backpack containing $263,000 in cash in a lane near his home.
The last judge to sentence David Clifford told him she thought his
prospects of rehabilitation were low and specific deterrence should play
a significant part in his sentence.
Judge Jane Patrick said Clifford had not shown remorse for his part in the
drunken bashing of a Fitzroy bar owner on June 13, 2008 - only a month
after he had been released on parole.
She said Clifford was of above average intelligence, but abused drugs and alcohol and had behaved like "a violent and aggressive bully''.
She sentenced him in July last year to a total of 33 months' jail for intentionally causing injury, false imprisonment and assault, with a minimum of 21 months to serve before parole.
But in June this year, the Court of Appeal cut Clifford's sentence to 24 months with a minimum of 12 months.
The appeal judges, Justices Chris Maxwell and Lex Lasry, ruled that the
discrepancy between Clifford's sentence and that of his brother Kieran, a
co-offender, was manifestly excessive.
The Court of Appeal also found Judge Patrick had not taken sufficient account of the totality
principle, which required her to assume Clifford would have to serve another 18 months as the unexpired parole period.
A Parole Board spokesman said yesterday the board was co-operating with an independent
review of its functions, powers and processes by the Sentencing Advisory Council.
He said the board had already expanded the extent of information sharing with Victoria Police and was working closely with a separate review of the Office of Correctional Services "to eliminate shortcomings in the assessment and supervision of parolees''.
A Corrections Victoria spokesman said it had "taken steps to improve
information sharing with Victoria Police and strengthen the management
of parolees''.
[email=wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au%20]wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
107 comments on this story
Kate of Brighton Posted at 8:01 AM Today
<blockquote class="comment-body">
I knew Elsa and the ghastly girl that caused
this by setting her up with this filthy bit of slime. Elsa was a
beautiful, caring fabulous girl it has been devastating to her family
and two closest friends who have stood up in the face of adversity. His
history says enough - and because of pure slackness this loser killed a
woman after beating her and burning her - bad bad bad man on the streets
of Melbourne. Vale Elsa and RIP
</blockquote>
Comment 36 of 107
Sandra of Belgrave Posted at 2:29 AM Today
<blockquote class="comment-body">
I notified crime stoppers that my daughter was
in danger and involved was a person (dealing drugs) whose name, address
and phone number I gave them - a person on parole it turns out - who
killed and dismembered her. They said my report wasn't good enough (ie.
they wanted me to provide them with an arrest on a plate - no
investigation or detective work necessary). That bastard murdered her
and dismembered her, while on parole... No intervention by Vic Police
when requested. Apology??????
</blockquote>
Comment 4 of 107
SEE, when I asked for JUSTICE, it wasn't 'for' me to receive now
(on top of countless blessings), but to SEE JUSTICE being received,
by those in more need...the God Blessed Wise are onto it.
It is a titanic problem, so takes a long time to turn around,
but in the mean time, we should all, at least, stop telling
victims of such entrenched INjustices, that
such OBSCENELY CRUEL, 'people' in 'respected' positions of power,
"wouldn't KNOWINGLY, LIE, to KEEP DENYING JUSTICE BEING DONE."
Team TINTIN/ICKE
"CIGGY
BILLY" & YOUR LOCAL SCUM,
tell The Corp's that,
"NONE OF THIS HAPPENED,
UNTIL IT 'made the news'",
in front of all the
HIDDEN EVEN FROM "YOU", Lurkers,
I DAMN WELL dare "YOU".
Speaking of DOOMED...
like this "Loose Brick Chuckers",
who have NEVER BUILT ANYTHING
of ENDURING VALUE...
...the CACKLING HYENAS,
CACKLING TO LOUDLY
to HEAR THEIR HUNTERS...
RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
I once asked for just a little Justice. Since then, I daily see,
The Ivory Towers of those who KNOWINGLY PERPETUATE EVIL, being shaken.
They WILL FALL, and DESTROY ALL who use those 'defensive positions of respectability'
to ATTACK JUSTICE, and IT WILL BE JUST, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED.
Isaiah 14:1-32
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
1
For Jehovah will show mercy to Jacob, and he is
yet certain to choose Israel; and he will actually give them rest upon
their soil, and the alien resident must be joined to them, and they must
attach themselves to the house of Jacob.
2
And peoples will actually take them and bring them to their own place,
and the house of Israel must take them to themselves as a possession
upon the soil of Jehovah as menservants and as maidservants;
and they must become the captors of those holding them captive,
and they must have in subjection those who were driving them to work.
3
And it must occur in the day when Jehovah gives you rest from your pain
and from your agitation and from the hard slavery in which you were made a slave,
4
that you must raise up this proverbial saying against the king of Babylon and say:
“How has the one driving [others] to work come to a stop,
the oppression come to a stop!
5
Jehovah has broken the rod of the wicked ones,
the staff of the ruling ones,
6
the one striking peoples in fury with a stroke incessantly,
the one subduing nations in sheer anger with a persecution without restraint.
7
The whole earth has come to rest, has become free of disturbance.
People have become cheerful with joyful cries.
8
Even the juniper trees have also rejoiced at you, the cedars of Leb´a·non,
[saying,] ‘Ever since you have lain down, no [wood]cutter comes up against us.’
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060342667&postcount=32055
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3172
Elsa Corp was murdered
after a parole blunder
left her killer free
by:Geoff Wilkinson
From:Herald Sun
November 07, 2011
12:00AM
107 comments
Elsa Corp was murdered during a blind date. SuppliedTHE family of a young woman strangled by a parolee is still waiting
for an apology after a bureaucratic bungle left him at large, free to
kill her.
Elsa Corp, a 26-year-old hairdresser
was murdered on her first date with a man
she did not know was a violent serial offender on parole.
(Ms Corp was on a blind date arranged by a girfriend
Kate of Brighton Posted at 8:01 AM Today
<blockquote class="comment-body">
I knew Elsa and the ghastly girl that caused
this by setting her up with this filthy bit of slime. Elsa was a
beautiful, caring fabulous girl it has been devastating to her family
and two closest friends who have stood up in the face of adversity. His
history says enough - and because of pure slackness this loser killed a
woman after beating her and burning her - bad bad bad man on the streets
of Melbourne. Vale Elsa and RIP
</blockquote>
Comment 36 0f 107)
Her killer, David Patrick Clifford, is one of three parole violators charged with murder
after Corrections Victoria caseworkers failed to notify the Parole Board they had committed new offences which could have led to their parole being cancelled.
Corrections Victoria was notified that Clifford had been arrested on three separate
occasions before he killed Ms Corp on February 1 last year.
When he murdered Ms Corp
he was on parole for drug trafficking,
had already breached parole
and a suspended sentence
following other earlier convictions
and was awaiting sentence over
the bashing of a bar owner.
Results: Parole bungle
Thanks for voting!
Should authorities apologise to the family of a woman murdered after a parole bungle?
- Yes 96.44% (2494 votes)
- No 3.56% (92 votes)
- Total votes: 2586
- Elsa's dreams won't come true
- Police arrest parolee Adelaide Now, 19 Jul 2011
- Eight murdered after parole bungles Perth Now, 20 Jun 2011
- Close watch following parole fiasco Herald Sun, 20 Jun 2011
- Free-to-kill parole fiasco Herald Sun, 20 Jun 2011
- 40 per cent of parolees reoffend Adelaide Now, 18 Jun 2011
no-one had taken responsibility for their daughter's death
or said they were sorry.
Mr Corp, a former UK policeman, said the family wrote to Police Minister
Peter Ryan and Corrections Minister Andrew McIntosh last week seeking
information and answers.
He said his family did not know Clifford was on parole
until they read a story in the Herald Sun in June this year.
"It's absolutely gutted us, because it was a very bad failure in the system,'' Mr Corp said.
"For the sake of a bit of training, or procedure or supervision, the system fell over and failed us.
"Our daughter would probably be alive today if there hadn't been these stuff-ups''.
Ms Corp was on a blind date arranged by a girfriend
when she was beaten, slashed and strangled in a South Melbourne hotel room.
She is believed to have been lured to the room in the belief other friends were going to be there.
Clifford, 30, was due to stand trial on October 25 for Ms Corp's murder, but
decided on the eve of the three-week trial to plead guilty.
He will be sentenced after a Supreme Court plea hearing later this month.
Police handling of the parolee issue was addressed in last month's explosive report by the Office of Police Integrity.
The report said former Deputy Commissioner Sir Ken Jones had suggested
to then Chief Commissioner Simon Overland that the families of victims
allegedly murdered by parolees
be notified of the findings of an internal review.
Mr Overland, in an email reply he later implied was leaked by Sir Ken,
requested formal written advice prior to notifying the families.
The OPI report said Mr Overland cautioned that if Victoria Police had
"let the families down (he didn't) want to exacerbate the situation by
handling notification badly''.
But Mr Corp said yesterday his family had still received no formal explanation or apology from police or anyone else.
"Not at all, which hurts,'' he said.
The Herald Sun first revealed the state's parole scandal in April, when a secret
police report disclosed that 11 Victorians had been murdered by parole
violators in less than two-and-a-half years.
The report said seven of the 11 murders may have been prevented if police who had peviously dealt with the offenders over other matters had known they were on parole.
A failure in the police computer system was blamed, but after an urgent review it emerged that human error was also involved.
The review by police found that in three of those seven cases, community
corrections caseworkers were advised that parolees had been arrested
over other matters, but failed to pass the information on to the Parole Board.
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay told the Herald Sun
after the review that in one of the three cases "Offender C'' - now
known to be Clifford - had been arrested on July 7, 2008, January 26,
2009, and June 9, 2009.
Each time, the police computer notified a Justice Department computer which then advised the relevant caseworker.
Ms Corp, who lived with her parents, was one of the three victims. The other two cases are still before the courts.
Acting Chief Commissioner Lay and Corrections Victoria Commissioner, Bob
Hastings, both admitted after the review that "procedural failures''
had left parole violators on the street.
It was also revealed after the review that another five murders had been
committed in other states by Victorians who had absconded on parole.
Clifford's prior convictions stretch back to 1998 and
include aggravated burglary on the home of a 76-year-old woman,
false imprisonment, intentionally causing injury, assault, resisting police,
harassing a witness, breaching an intervention order, drug trafficking,
dangerous driving and possession of an unregistered firearm.
Detectives who arrested him for drug trafficking found a handgun and
$68,000 cash in a backpack hidden in theceiling of his grandmother's
home.
One of Clifford's brothers, Sean, was convicted of larceny by finding in Sydney in 2005 after
claiming to have found a backpack containing $263,000 in cash in a lane near his home.
The last judge to sentence David Clifford told him she thought his
prospects of rehabilitation were low and specific deterrence should play
a significant part in his sentence.
Judge Jane Patrick said Clifford had not shown remorse for his part in the
drunken bashing of a Fitzroy bar owner on June 13, 2008 - only a month
after he had been released on parole.
She said Clifford was of above average intelligence, but abused drugs and alcohol and had behaved like "a violent and aggressive bully''.
She sentenced him in July last year to a total of 33 months' jail for intentionally causing injury, false imprisonment and assault, with a minimum of 21 months to serve before parole.
But in June this year, the Court of Appeal cut Clifford's sentence to 24 months with a minimum of 12 months.
The appeal judges, Justices Chris Maxwell and Lex Lasry, ruled that the
discrepancy between Clifford's sentence and that of his brother Kieran, a
co-offender, was manifestly excessive.
The Court of Appeal also found Judge Patrick had not taken sufficient account of the totality
principle, which required her to assume Clifford would have to serve another 18 months as the unexpired parole period.
A Parole Board spokesman said yesterday the board was co-operating with an independent
review of its functions, powers and processes by the Sentencing Advisory Council.
He said the board had already expanded the extent of information sharing with Victoria Police and was working closely with a separate review of the Office of Correctional Services "to eliminate shortcomings in the assessment and supervision of parolees''.
A Corrections Victoria spokesman said it had "taken steps to improve
information sharing with Victoria Police and strengthen the management
of parolees''.
[email=wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au%20]wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
107 comments on this story
Kate of Brighton Posted at 8:01 AM Today
<blockquote class="comment-body">
I knew Elsa and the ghastly girl that caused
this by setting her up with this filthy bit of slime. Elsa was a
beautiful, caring fabulous girl it has been devastating to her family
and two closest friends who have stood up in the face of adversity. His
history says enough - and because of pure slackness this loser killed a
woman after beating her and burning her - bad bad bad man on the streets
of Melbourne. Vale Elsa and RIP
</blockquote>
Comment 36 of 107
Sandra of Belgrave Posted at 2:29 AM Today
<blockquote class="comment-body">
I notified crime stoppers that my daughter was
in danger and involved was a person (dealing drugs) whose name, address
and phone number I gave them - a person on parole it turns out - who
killed and dismembered her. They said my report wasn't good enough (ie.
they wanted me to provide them with an arrest on a plate - no
investigation or detective work necessary). That bastard murdered her
and dismembered her, while on parole... No intervention by Vic Police
when requested. Apology??????
</blockquote>
Comment 4 of 107
SEE, when I asked for JUSTICE, it wasn't 'for' me to receive now
(on top of countless blessings), but to SEE JUSTICE being received,
by those in more need...the God Blessed Wise are onto it.
It is a titanic problem, so takes a long time to turn around,
but in the mean time, we should all, at least, stop telling
victims of such entrenched INjustices, that
such OBSCENELY CRUEL, 'people' in 'respected' positions of power,
"wouldn't KNOWINGLY, LIE, to KEEP DENYING JUSTICE BEING DONE."
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 63
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:34 am
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH
(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)
Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya
...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...
SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...
...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html
...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?
YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,
GOD CAN and DOES!
And That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.
P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me
,
when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
cori wrote:
05-01-2011, 03:33 PM
This is a WARNING! of a total financial crash.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555tintin wrote:
05-01-2011, 09:42 PM
Quote:
Folks,
Originally Posted by faraday
The Land Of The Rising Sun
In the U.S television series, "FRIENDS",
the characters helped and protected each
other like a FAMILY.
I see poster FARADAY has returned.
I have seen many idiots here but
FARADAY is the
SUPREME SUPERIOR IDIOT
Poster FARADAY told the READERS here they WERE ALL AGENTS.
Just to let you know,
Don't take anything serious FARADAY posts.
I have no problem with IDIOTS.
( I mean, that's life)
FARADAY is different because he/she (whatever) crosses
all borders of sanity, decency, lunacy, etc.....
Posters like FARADY make me jump to GREECE RESTAURANTS
and order METAXA in amounts GRAHAM GREENE wouldn't
even dare to write about. ( Sorry Graham, it's all very true)
Sorry Graham, remember our good time in Vienna?
Yeah, those good old days.
No Idiots around, you know, just Anton Karas.....
Romance, spies, suspence....
Remember Orson?
Did you know, Dolores Del Rio and Me.....
Well, forget it.....
Between You, and me Graham,
Dolores actually was Dutch!
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH
(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)
Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya
...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...
SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...
...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html
...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?
YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,
GOD CAN and DOES!
And That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.
P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me
,when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 63
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
true lilly Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:37 am
true lilly wrote:
Adam Scott of Australia
hits his second shot
on the second hole
during
the second round
of the WGC-HSBC Champions
at Sheshan International Golf
Club
in Shanghai, China.
6th of 10.
BBC NEWS: TODAY IN PICTURES
well, that's the best, now SEE the rest,
and READ them very carefully...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-15579392
GOOD?Fumanwoo wrote:Hi everyone!!!
So this is the sod like ive been hearing about.
Hope to have some good debates with you all :-)
Ive started a forum of my own www.http://woowoo.freeforums.org
DEBATES?
HERE?
Well you can try, but if you stray off already heavily peddled, 'acceptable' by 'they' topics,
get ready to put all the foot stomping, hissy fitters on ignore, and hope someone other
than 'them' actually get to see your posts, and may take up actual discussion/debate...
somewhere, somehow...if 'they' don't also block access to your emails, I.P. server, et-bloody-cetera...
So why do I bother posting here, you may ask...
...as I was saying...
www.http://woowoo.freeforums.org
Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at www.http.
Check the address for typing errors such as
ww.example.com instead of
www.example.com
If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.
If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
And yes, everything is 'working' my end...except for that 'phone' (Bluetooth)
connection that 'they' installed externally, but can't be accessed to remove...
...FUCKIN FILTHY RUG MUNCHIN FILTHY COPPER'S WHORES!
New laws a second chancetrue lilly wrote:
Adam Scott of Australia
hits his second shot
on the second hole
during
the second round
of the WGC-HSBC Champions
at Sheshan International Golf
Club
in Shanghai, China.
to prosecute constables' murders
by:Geoff Wilkinson
From:Herald Sun
November 08, 2011
12:00AM
Peter McEvoy and (inset) Damian Eyre and Steven Tynan (top). Herald Sun
THE Walsh Street police killings 23 years ago are likely to be the
first target of a new double-jeopardy law to be introduced to Parliament
today.
Double-jeopardy protection against being tried twice for the same offence will be removed when the new law is passed.
Senior police have visited the parents of the two young constables shot dead
in an ambush on October 11, 1988, and briefed them on the prospect of a
new prosecution.
Police said yesterday the force "looks forward to the possibilities this important new legislation presents".
Assistant Commissioner (Crime) Graham Ashton said the impact of the new law on
existing cases, including Walsh Street, had been discussed with the
Office of Public Prosecutions.
Mr Ashton said the force was preparing "preliminary material" ahead of formal meetings
with the OPP.
- Double jeopardy reform applauded
- Double jeopardy reform applauded Herald Sun, 1 hour ago
- Alison joins the family business Herald Sun, 17 Sep 2011
- Police could have double dip at criminals Herald Sun, 15 Sep 2011
- Walsh Street justice is vital Herald Sun, 15 Sep 2011
- Walsh St retrial bid hinge on new laws Herald Sun, 14 Sep 2011
He said the ambush murders of Constables Steven Tynan, 22, and Damian Eyre, 19, were "brutal and reprehensible".
"Bringing the killers to justice for these appalling crimes remains an
unflinching priority for Victoria Police," Mr Ashton said.
Three of the four men charged with the Walsh Street murders - Peter McEvoy,
Trevor Pettingill and Anthony Farrell - were acquitted by a jury and are
still alive and the fourth, Victor Peirce, was gunned down in Port Melbourne in 2002.
Frank
Eyre, the father of one of the murdered constables, yesterday welcomed
news of the legislation's introduction and said he hoped it would
receive bipartisan support and be passed
quickly.
Attorney-General Robert Clark told the Herald Sunthe
Director of Public Prosecutions would be able to make only one
application for a retrial in a bid to reverse an earlier acquittal.
Critics say although four other states have dropped double-jeopardy immunity
over the past five years, there have not yet been any repeat prosecutions.
But
Mr Clark said there had been successful retrials and convictions in
several cases in England, where double-jeopardy immunity was dropped in
2005.
He said Victoria's new law provided "a sensible framework with appropriate checks and balances".
The
reforms will be retrospective and will mean a new trial can be ordered
if there is compelling new evidence a person previously acquitted of a
serious crime was guilty.
Mr Clark
said it could apply in cases where there was fresh and compelling DNA
evidence, where an acquitted person subsequently admitted to the crime,
or where it became clear
key witnesses had given false evidence.
[email=wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au%20]wilkinsong@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
...mmm..got a NEW 'style' of THREAT tonight...true lilly wrote:
Adam Scott of Australia
hits his second shot
on the second hole
during
the second round
of the WGC-HSBC Champions
at Sheshan International Golf
Club
in Shanghai, China.
a rather dramatic "POP UP"...
...would be more bothersome,
if it didn't quote 'Billy Ruben's' phone text, and
message bank, threats...
or is that why I should be scared, now...or...
true lilly wrote:http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555cori wrote:
05-01-2011, 03:33 PM
This is a WARNING! of a total financial crash.http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2555tintin wrote:
05-01-2011, 09:42 PM
Quote:
Folks,
Originally Posted by faraday
The Land Of The Rising Sun
In the U.S television series, "FRIENDS",
the characters helped and protected each
other like a FAMILY.
I see poster FARADAY has returned.
I have seen many idiots here but
FARADAY is the
SUPREME SUPERIOR IDIOT
Poster FARADAY told the READERS here they WERE ALL AGENTS.
Just to let you know,
Don't take anything serious FARADAY posts.
I have no problem with IDIOTS.
( I mean, that's life)
FARADAY is different because he/she (whatever) crosses
all borders of sanity, decency, lunacy, etc.....
Posters like FARADY make me jump to GREECE RESTAURANTS
and order METAXA in amounts GRAHAM GREENE wouldn't
even dare to write about. ( Sorry Graham, it's all very true)
Sorry Graham, remember our good time in Vienna?
Yeah, those good old days.
No Idiots around, you know, just Anton Karas.....
Romance, spies, suspence....
Remember Orson?
Did you know, Dolores Del Rio and Me.....
Well, forget it.....
Between You, and me Graham,
Dolores actually was Dutch!
The screenplay was written by
novelist Graham Greene,
Henry Graham Greene, OM, CH
(2 October 1904 – 3 April 1991)
Talkin' to the dead again...now THAT
is BATSHIT CRAZY...and THAT IS WHAT "tintin"
IS DRIVEN TO DRIVE YOU ALL TO FOLLOW...
his BATSHIT CRAZY NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION...
...if you don't, and HE CAN'T GET YOU...
he'll set his ghouls/GOON/actor/spies
i.e. RUTHLESS SELL OUTS ontaya
...trouble is "tintin" is BATSHIT EVIL CUNNING...
...and while he/they make folk believe they have
'occultic' 'powers' tagetchyawith...
WE KNOW, AS ALL SHOULD, it's only the nod & wink
and 'innocent' (CODED) CONversations with "YOUR mates",
down the Pub, Hairdressers, Doctors, at work etc.,
that starts the poison flowin' & misfortune rollin'...
SEE, 'The Third Man' in 'tintin's' post, is both,
sleight of hand, and one of those SICK JOKES,
(he luuvvvssss laughing in his victim's faces),
while he is CONversing in CODE with the, still, living...
...particularly those who FEAR an END to their 'good' Fortune,
that makes them 'bigger' than others who HONESTLY work harder,
better, and are HONESTLY MORE TALENTED...for example,
'tintin' could be talking to this living G.Greene...
http://www.grahamgreene.com.au/biography.html
...so, how can you save yourself from such a vast,
international, unknown, unseen NETwork?
YOU CAN'T, BUT, as I've witnessed, experienced
and testified,
GOD CAN and DOES!
And That Is The Very Best News!...
... that 'they' still want me dead,
for daring to, freely share.
P.S. you'll find I've been explaining and showing
how 'they' 'work' 'their' NET, in far more detail,
since years back in my ATS days...and everywhere
that 'they've' banned me
when 'they' failed to argue or bully away these FACTS.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 63
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
sharky Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:38 am
true lilly wrote:
DEBATES?
HERE?
sharky- Posts : 493
Join date : 2011-10-21
Location : The Rhumb Line
Re: RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.
true lilly Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:11 pm
Yes, it is a catastrophe, for "you mobs",
because it was never 'me', that "you" took on,
but in "your" selfish desire to "be your own gods",
"you" all forgot how happy I am, to be no more
than a servant of God.
is that the sanest of my younger, old (and current), ungrateful,
backstabbing 'associates', today?
And is this the most 'youthful'?
Because you almost laugh as hard as those with an eye and brain did,
when she "got" a Licence to "Judge" ...IMHEO, justified laughter...
Funny to, because she was embarrassed of her wog hubby's surname...
and advertised Only As "Sue & Steve" because of all the people who
rang the club asking for a puppy bred by "Sioux & Steve" ...
but then her hubby's,
"REBEL"
bro, got himself an O.A.M., and suddenly,
she was no longer embarrassed by her wog surname...
...but kept the Cameron and hyphen
...interesting though, that when reading other's opinions:
http://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/au-motorcycle/6756/MRAA-ie-MRAV-bashing
of Bro-in-law, "Uncle DamienO.A.M.":
http://www.bikenut.com.au/uncledamien.php
http://damiencodognottooam.blogspot.com/
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it's like reading the experiences folk have with
DICTATORIAL David Icke and his NET HACKING,
PRIVATE Message Reading, INDEPENDENT OPINION BANNING,
FALSE 'consensus' Pushing, Forum Moderators
...and,
what a stupidly suicidal Global Religion it is,
that "they" keep shoving down the world's throat,
by trying to silence all warning voices:
Oh, and lets NOT forget the CONnections here:
http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=10733
MRS. Trish STEBBINGS
Secretary AND PUBLICITY OFFICER RRCV
Jeremiah - Chapter 50
Declare 5046 ye among the nations 1471,
and publish 8085 , and set up 5375 a standard 5251;
publish 8085 , [and] conceal 3582 not: say 559 ...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#1
2 Samuel - Chapter 7, 8 & 9
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=7&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=8&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=9&v=1&t=KJV#
And David 1732 said 559 ,
Is there yet 3426 any that is left 3498 of the house 1004 of Saul 7586,
that I may shew 6213 him kindness 2617 for Jonathan's 3083 sake?
Jonathan 3083 hath yet a son 1121,
[which is] lame 5223 on [his] feet 7272.
So Mephibosheth 4648 dwelt 3427 in Jerusalem 3389:
for he did eat 398 continually 8548 at the king's 4428 table 7979;
and was lame 6455 on both 8147 his feet 7272.
NOTE:
lame 5223
lame 6455 on both 8147
DIFFERENT/ADDITIONAL numbers=ROOT (DESCRIPTIVE) MEANINGS. 
because it was never 'me', that "you" took on,
but in "your" selfish desire to "be your own gods",
"you" all forgot how happy I am, to be no more
than a servant of God.
true lilly wrote:Interesting, that
The GLOBAL CONSPIRACY Industry,
is always telling people to "WAKE UP"...Sleeper agent:dixie dean wrote: #32101
There is a guy by the name of Ben who drinks
at the Village Shop and Spies reminds me of
Espionage...
...
By the way, I am only making links to people
the same as Tintin makes links using people.
A sleeper agent is a person who is
recruited to an intelligence service
to wake up
and perform a specific set of tasks or functions
while living under cover in an area of interest.
This type of agent
is not the same as a deep cover operative
who is continually in contact with
their case officer in order to file intelligence reports.
A sleeper agent
will not be in contact with anyone
until activated.
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.
Interesting to, that GOD WARNED US to
NOT to try to save ourselves by running
to Follow Popular Mass Movements...
but, that MOST STILL WOULD, and,
DIE REGRETTING IT!
...and where did I open at, on praying
about whether to send this...oh, and do
read the full meanings of each word
at the link provided.
Psalms 127:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=127&v=1&t=KJV&sstr=1
A Song of the Ascents. Of Solomon.
1
Unless Jehovah himself builds the house,
It is to no avail that its builders have worked hard on it.
Unless Jehovah himself guards the city,
It is to no avail that the guard has kept awake.
2
To no avail it is for YOU men that YOU are rising up early,
That YOU are sitting down late,
That YOU are eating food with pains.
Just like this he gives sleep even to his beloved one.
3
Look! Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah;
The fruitage of the belly is a reward.
4
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man,
So are the sons of youth.
5
Happy is the able-bodied man that has filled his quiver with them.
They will not be ashamed,
For they will speak with enemies in the gate.
Psalms 126:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=126&v=1&t=KJV
true lilly wrote:"Long and Uncomfortable"=BRAINWASHING as used by CULT LEADERS.
http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/post24742.html#p24742
So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!
Ickeism=
Culture jamming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming
Guerrilla marketing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_marketing
Spaßguerilla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa%C3%9Fguerilla
...and when ISN'T 'satire' satirical?
When it's all the above HIDING behind the filthy lie,
that those who DO GET WHAT 'THEY' ARE DOING,
"don't get satire".
Front Deutscher Äpfel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Deutscher_%C3%84pfel
Apple Front activists in typical uniform with satirized right extremist symbols and bearing
(The FRONT is 'satire' WHILE THEY FISH FOR THOSE WHO
DO SUPPORT WHAT THEY 'satirize')
Yep, anyone believing that 'alternative media' isn't
what's pushing The Beastly Agenda,
is either a deluded fool, or Knowingly, Willingly, Beastly.
Oh, and how many of The Most Vulnerable and Powerless,
is that, DEAD AROUND THE WORLD, now, DUE TO BEING
SUCKED INTO BLOODY, NATION DESTROYING "revolutions",
VIA The Twittering TWITS of WORLD WIDE (Global) WEB of
LIES?
Hee hee,le sabrage wrote:DESPERATELY LYING:true lilly wrote:
is that the sanest of my younger, old (and current), ungrateful,
backstabbing 'associates', today?
And is this the most 'youthful'?
Because you almost laugh as hard as those with an eye and brain did,
when she "got" a Licence to "Judge"
...IMHEO, justified laughter... Funny to, because she was embarrassed of her wog hubby's surname...
and advertised Only As "Sue & Steve" because of all the people who
rang the club asking for a puppy bred by "Sioux & Steve"
...but then her hubby's,
"REBEL"
bro, got himself an O.A.M., and suddenly,
she was no longer embarrassed by her wog surname...
...but kept the Cameron and hyphen
...interesting though, that when reading other's opinions:
http://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/au-motorcycle/6756/MRAA-ie-MRAV-bashing
of Bro-in-law, "Uncle DamienO.A.M.":
http://www.bikenut.com.au/uncledamien.php
http://damiencodognottooam.blogspot.com/
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it's like reading the experiences folk have with
DICTATORIAL David Icke and his NET HACKING,
PRIVATE Message Reading, INDEPENDENT OPINION BANNING,
FALSE 'consensus' Pushing, Forum Moderators
...and,what a stupidly suicidal Global Religion it is,
that "they" keep shoving down the world's throat,
by trying to silence all warning voices:
Oh, and lets NOT forget the CONnections here:
http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=10733
MRS. Trish STEBBINGS
Secretary AND PUBLICITY OFFICER RRCV
Jeremiah - Chapter 50
Declare 5046 ye among the nations 1471,
and publish 8085 , and set up 5375 a standard 5251;
publish 8085 , [and] conceal 3582 not: say 559 ...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#1
2 Samuel - Chapter 7, 8 & 9
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=7&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=8&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=9&v=1&t=KJV#
And David 1732 said 559 ,
Is there yet 3426 any that is left 3498 of the house 1004 of Saul 7586,
that I may shew 6213 him kindness 2617 for Jonathan's 3083 sake?
Jonathan 3083 hath yet a son 1121,
[which is] lame 5223 on [his] feet 7272.
So Mephibosheth 4648 dwelt 3427 in Jerusalem 3389:
for he did eat 398 continually 8548 at the king's 4428 table 7979;
and was lame 6455 on both 8147 his feet 7272.
NOTE:
lame 5223
lame 6455 on both 8147
DIFFERENT/ADDITIONAL numbers=ROOT (DESCRIPTIVE) MEANINGS.
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Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 63
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
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