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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:56 am
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Japanese have bombed
multiple Australian cities during war
Alongside the famous attack on Darwin during World War II,
the city of Broome was also attacked, with 88 people killed (no Australians)
on the 3rd of March 1942.
If you didn’t know that, don’t worry, neither
did I.
What’s really going to raise your eyebrows is the following
information:
There were 97 air attacks by the Japanese
on Australian Military/towns/Cities throughout World War Two.
Darwin was actually bombed on 64 occasions during the war.
The other Australian Cities/Towns attacked
during the ‘Battle For Australia‘ during World War Two were:
Wyndham, Port Hedland, Derby, Katherine, Townsville and Mossman
amongst many others.
Don’t believe me? See the Australian War Memorial
Website: http://www.awm.gov.au/units/event_59.asp
Further reading is at Anzacday.org.au: http://www.anzacday.org.au/history/ww2/bfa/attack.html
The interesting thing I would like to point out is that
they never
taught me this amazing Australian War fact
as part of history at
school. Was I not listening, or is this purposefully omitted?
I would
love to know if any schools teach/taught this at all.
The next question in my (and your) head is why not?
There are so many
unknown Aussie deaths on home soil
that so few Australians today
remember.
Most school students are taught about D-Day,
The Darwin bombing and the Battle of Britain.
But why not all these other attacks?
Even just a brief mention?
I have spoken to a number people about this and every person thought
that Australia was only bombed twice: at Darwin.
All Australians should
know this.
I realise that there were massive battles fought at the same
time,
but we should not forget that these battles were fought on
Australian soil.
I’d love to hear what you all have to say.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
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17 July 2011
Last updated at 15:30 GMT
Rebekah Brooks arrested by hacking police
Click to playThe BBC's Mark Sanders:
"This is an intriguing development"
Phone-hacking scandal
- Call to cut back Murdoch empire
- May to raise 'concerns' over Met
- What next for News Corp?
- Q&A: Phone-hacking scandal
Ex-News
International chief executive Rebekah Brooks has been arrested by
police investigating phone hacking and bribery at the News of the World.
The 43-year-old was arrested by appointment at a London police station and remains in custody.
She was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications and on suspicion of corruption.
She quit News International on Friday as pressure mounted over her role in the deepening scandal.
Mrs Brooks was editor of the paper between 2000 and 2003,
during which time the phone belonging to murdered schoolgirl Milly
Dowler was tampered with.
BBC Business Editor Robert Peston said News International was
not aware that Mrs Brooks would be arrested when her resignation was
being discussed at the company on Tuesday and Wednesday of last week.
She eventually resigned on Friday.
Mr Peston added: "It's certainly the most extraordinary
development. Rebekah Brooks is incredibly close to the most powerful
people in the UK - the current prime minister, the previous prime
ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. More or less every senior person
of influence within Britain."
He said it could now potentially jeopardise her appearance at
the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee on Tuesday, where she is
due to answer MPs questions on the hacking scandal.
"I would assume having been arrested it's now almost
impossible for her to appear. It's very difficult for MPs to ask her
questions that wouldn't be seen to be impinging on the police
investigation," Peston said.
'Conspiracy theories'
A spokesman for Mrs Brooks says the Met police notified her on
Friday, after her resignation had been agreed, that she would be
arrested.
He also said her arrest would make her appearance at the committee "pretty tricky".
“Start Quote
If this is designed to take the spotlight off the police
at the same time giving a shield to Rebekah Brooks,
that's a very serious matter indeed”
Adrian Sanders
Liberal Democrat MP
She had been offering to speak
to police on voluntary basis since January, so she was "very surprised"
to learn she would be arrested, he added.
Her former boss, News Corp chairman Rupert Murdoch, and his
son James Murdoch, chairman of News International, are also due to
appear before MPs.
In other developments:
- Home Secretary Theresa May is to tell MPs about her "concerns" over the Metropolitan Police's hiring of ex-News of the World journalist Neil Wallis, who is currently on bail over phone hacking allegations
- Labour leader Ed Miliband calls for new media ownership rules to limit Rupert Murdoch's "dangerous" and "unhealthy" concentration of power
Liberal Democrat MP Adrian Sanders, a member of the select committee, questioned the timing of the latest arrest.
"In whose interest was it for this arrest to take place
before Tuesday? Because if it does impede what we can ask, that's not
going to go down well with my fellow committee members.
Rupert Murdoch is due to appear before MPs on Tuesday
to answer questions on phone hacking
"Quite why now, just a few hours before our select committee
meets, an arrangement has been made for an arrest. A lot of people are
going to think this is very, very odd.
"If this is designed to take the spotlight off the police at
the same time giving a shield to Rebekah Brooks, that's a very serious
matter indeed. We don't know how much this is going to impede our
questioning until we've been able to sit down and talk it through with
the parliamentary counsel."
Another member of the select committee, Labour MP Jim
Sheridan, said he hoped her arrest would not affect her appearance
before MPs.
"The police will do whatever it is they feel necessary to do,
and if they feel it's necessary to arrest Rebekah Brooks at this time,
then so be it.
"I don't buy into the conspiracy theories that the police are
doing something underhand. I think it's just that if they feel it
necessary, then so be it. Their inquiry, it's far, far more important
than any other inquiry."
Labour MP Chris Bryant, who believes his phone was hacked, also has concerns about the timing of the arrest.
"It may be that the police are wanting to protect evidence so
that... they can lead to successful prosecutions, but there will be
plenty of people who are saying, right, this is an opportunity for her
to get out of saying things to the culture committee.
"In the end, of course, the police investigation is the most
important part of what we've been trying to seek for a long time, so we
do get to the bottom of the criminality at the News of the World."
Tenth arrest
Mrs Brooks's arrest is the tenth made by Operation Weeting
police, who are conducting the current investigation into phone hacking.
Others arrested and bailed have included ex-NoW editor Andy Coulson,
ex-NoW assistant editor Ian Edmondson, ex-NoW chief reporter Neville
Thurlbeck, senior ex-NoW journalist James Weatherup, freelance
journalist Terenia Taras, Press Association journalist Laura Elston, an
unnamed 63-year-old man, and ex-NoW royal editor Clive Goodman.
Officers from Operation Elveden were also involved with this
latest arrest. They are investigating allegations of inappropriate
payments to police, under the supervision of the Independent Police
Complaints Commission.
Phone-hacking scandal
News and analysis
-
Call to cut back Murdoch empire
Labour leader Ed Miliband and Deputy Prime Minister
Nick Clegg call for new media ownership rules to prevent individuals
becoming too powerful.
May to raise 'concerns' over Met
What next for News Corp?
Q&A: Phone-hacking scandal
Timeline
Phone-hacking: Key people
New era for politics and media?
'Watergate-scale' scandal
Challenges faced by News Corp?
'Pinging' raises legal questions
Murdoch's media empire
11 July 2011: Last updated at 17:47 GMT
Cyprus: Zygi naval base
munitions blast kills 12
Click to playGreek newspaper photographer Stephanos Kouratzis describes the impact of the blast
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A
massive blast at a munitions dump in southern Cyprus has killed 12
people, including the commander of the country's navy, officials say.
A fire reportedly ignited about 100 containers holding confiscated Iranian explosives at the naval base at Zygi.
The fire spread to the island's largest power station. It has been knocked out, resulting in widespread power cuts.
Defence Minister Costas Papacostas and National Guard Chief Petros Tsalikides resigned over the accident.
President Dimitris Christopfias, who went to the area, described
the explosion as "a catastrophe of biblical proportions".
He added: "We were devastated by this event, not so much by
the material damage, but by the loss of human lives and the injury of
many of our compatriots."
The dead also include the commander of the Evangelos Florakis
naval base, police said. About 60 people were wounded in the blast.
Government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou said sabotage had been ruled out.
Power cuts
Officials say all 98 containers of explosive stored in the munitions dump at the base had exploded.
They had been seized from a Cypriot-flagged ship, the
Monchegorsk, which was intercepted travelling from Iran in January 2009.
Cyprus said the shipment violated UN sanctions against Iran.
The fire spread to the nearby Vassilikou power station -
which provides 50% of the country's electricity - knocking out the
electricity supply to many homes and businesses.
The fire has also had a knock-on effect on the BBC's broadcasts to the eastern Mediterranean.
Six of the eight transmitters in the BBC's relay station at
Zygi are without power, interrupting direct English-language broadcasts
to the Middle East.
State radio said the dead included two sailors from the Cyprus navy, two soldiers and five firefighters.
'Total mess'
The blast, which occurred at 0600 (0300 GMT), was "rather like a sonic boom", eyewitness Hermes Solomon told the BBC.
He was staying in a caravan on a campsite not far from the base.
"The doors crashed together, the glass blew in - windows,
door frames, things left their shelves. It was a total mess inside, as
though a bomb had hit the place."
State television said the blasts caused extensive damage to
property in the area and sparked wildfires in nearby scrubland in the
tinder-dry summer conditions.
"It was huge. I fell out of bed and ran to check on the kids," nearby resident Eleni Toubi told Reuters.
Alexandra Dimitriou, who was at nearby Governor's Beach at
the time of the explosion, said all the hotels in the area had their
glass blown out.
"After the blast we walked up across the beach to make sure
there were no casualties," she told the BBC. "There was a lot of panic
there. Older folk thought the Turks were invading.
"There was shattered glass everywhere. We got in the car and
left to avoid getting stuck there and on our way back to Limassol we saw
road signs which had been ripped off by the force of the explosion."
Death toll rises to 15 in Cyprus naval base explosion
12 July 2011 |
Cyprus
By Cath Brazier
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Cyprus's defence minister and army chief have resigned after a massive explosion at a munitions dump killed at least 15 people.
The blast happened at a military base where confiscated Iranian munitions were being held.
It shut down the island's largest power station, causing widespread
power cuts, including to the four British military bases on the island.
The Ministry of Defence says no British personnel were injured.
It's believed the explosion at the Evangelos Florakis naval base near
Zygi between Limassol and Larnaca may have been caused by a brush fire.
The British military bases of RAF Akrotiri, Episkopi, Dhekelia and Ayios Nikolaus have all been hit by power shortages.
With criticism mounting over how the material that exploded had been
handled and stored, Defence Minister Costas Papacostas and the country's
top military official, National Guard Chief General Petros Tsalikides,
resigned.
A government spokesman said investigators had ruled out sabotage as a
cause for the blast. He said experts will be called from abroad to help
determine the exact cause of the explosion.
President Dimitris Christofias had asked Tsalikides and Papacostas to remain in their posts until replacements were found.
The government has declared a three-day mourning period with all
flags at public buildings flying at half staff. State funerals will be
held for those killed.
The concussion wave from the blast damaged houses in nearby villages,
and knocked out the island's main power station, leading to power cuts
in several areas. Authorities appealed to the public to limit their
electricity consumption, which has spiked amid a three-day heatwave that
has led to temperatures of about 40C.
Airport authorities said both Paphos and Larnaca airports were
reducing power consumption to the minimum possible and had turned on
their generators.
The Agriculture Ministry also urged the public to reduce water
consumption as much as possible because desalination plants had been
taken offline due to power problems.
The blast occurred just one day shy of the ninth anniversary of a
fatal national guard helicopter crash that killed then National Guard
commander Evangelos Florakis - for which the naval base is named - and
four other officers.
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Handel's Messiah
At the end of his manuscript Handel wrote the letters "SDG"—Soli Deo Gloria,
"To God alone the glory". This inscription, taken with the speed of
composition, has encouraged belief in the apocryphal story that Handel
wrote the music in a fervour of divine inspiration in which, as he wrote
the "Hallelujah" chorus, "he saw all heaven before him".
| Part I Scene 1: Isaiah's prophecy of salvation 1. Sinfony (instrumental)2. Comfort ye my people (tenor)3. Every valley shall be exalted (tenor)4. And the glory of the Lord (chorus) Scene 2: The coming judgment 5. Thus saith the Lord (bass)6. But who may abide the day of his coming (alto)7. And he shall purify (chorus) Scene 3: The prophecy of Christ's birth 8. Behold, a virgin shall conceive alto)9. O thou that tellest good tidings to Zion (alto)10. For behold, darkness shall cover the earth (bass)11. The people that walked in darkness (bass)12. For unto us a child is born (chorus) Scene 4: The annunciation to the shepherds 13. Pifa ("pastoral symphony": instrumental)14a. There were shepherds abiding in the fields (soprano)14b. And lo, the angel of the Lord (soprano)15. And the angel said unto them (soprano)16. And suddenly there was with the angel (soprano)17. Glory to God (chorus) Scene 5: Christ's healing and redemption 18. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion (soprano)19. Then shall the eyes of the blind (soprano)20. He shall feed his flock (soprano)21. His yoke is easy (chorus) | Part II Scene 1: Christ's Passion 22. Behold the Lamb of God (chorus)23. He was despised (alto)24. Surely he has borne our griefs (chorus)25. And with his stripes we are healed (chorus)26. All we like sheep have gone astray (chorus)27. All they that see him laugh him to scorn (tenor)28. He trusted in God (chorus)29. Thy rebuke hath broken his heart (tenor)30. Behold and see if there be any sorrow (tenor) Scene 2: Christ's death and resurrection 31. He was cut off (soprano)32. But thou didst not leave his soul in hell (soprano) Scene 3: Christ's ascension 33. Lift up your heads, O ye gates (chorus) Scene 4: Christ's reception in Heaven 34. Unto which of the angels (tenor)35. Let all the angels of God (chorus) Scene 5: Whitsun; the beginnings of Gospel preaching 36. Thou art gone up on high (soprano)37. The Lord gave the word (chorus)38. How beautiful are the feet (soprano)39. Their sound is gone out (chorus) Scene 6: The world's rejection of the Gospel 40. Why do the nations so furiously rage together (bass)41. Let us break their bonds asunder (chorus)42. He that dwelleth in heaven (tenor) Scene 7: God's ultimate victory 43. Thou shalt break them (tenor)44. Hallelujah (chorus) | Part III Scene 1: The promise of eternal life and victory over sin 45. I know that my Redeemer liveth (soprano)46. Since by man came death (chorus) Scene 2: The Day of Judgment 47. Behold, I tell you a mystery (bass)48. The trumpet shall sound (bass) Scene 3: The final conquest of sin 49. Then shall be brought to pass (alto)50. O death, where is thy sting (alto and tenor)51. But thanks be to God (chorus)52. If God be for us (soprano) Scene 4: The acclamation of the Messiah 53. Worthy is the Lamb (chorus) Amen (chorus |
EZEKIEL 2 & 3
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=2&v=1&t=KJV#top
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And he continued saying to me: “Son of man, go, enter in among
the house of Israel, and you must speak with my words to them. 5
For it is not to a people who are unintelligible in language or heavy
of tongue that you are being sent—to the house of Israel, 6
not to numerous peoples unintelligible in language
or heavy in tongue, whose words you cannot hear [understandingly]. If
it was to them that I had sent you, those very ones would listen to you. 7
But as for the house of Israel, they will not want
to listen to you, for they are not wanting to listen to me; because all
those of the house of Israel are hardheaded and hardhearted. 8
Look! I have made your face exactly as hard as their faces and your forehead exactly as hard as their foreheads. 9
Like a diamond, harder than flint, I have made
your forehead. You must not be afraid of them, and you must not be
struck with terror at their faces, for they are a rebellious house.”
true lilly wrote:true lilly wrote:Talk about...
HIJACKING & PREVENTING
=MANIPULATING,
COMMUNICATIONS...Sticky:
Wikileaks Mega thread
(1 2 3 ... Last Page)
secretagent
tags: insurance, Sod...!!! assange,
muad'dib, sayan, wikileaks
replies: 2,144
Note these 'people' DON'T "INSURE" the Lives of those
'they' SET TERRORISTS and 'lone'NUTTERS out to KILL;
but are 'great' at stirring up the rebellions that produce so many
sacrificial lambs for the CON Industry BRAINWASHED to target.
Note also, how much cori/tintin are getting off on claiming that
'they' "PREDICTED" the DEATH of Amy Winehouse,
and the BOMBINGS and SHOOTING in OSLO,
yet How SILENT 'they' are on THE DESTRUCTION of TWO DUTCH
RADIO TOWERS and 80% of Their DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS,
And THE CYPRUS BOMBING PRECEDING IT, that KNOCKED OUT
BRITISH COMMUNICATIONS to The MIDDLE EAST.
Pity the fools who 'invested in' Assange/Icke/tintin "Insurance".
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2971
Read backwards from there,
where 'they' have 29,700 replies and 18,225,504 views
from where to find the plotters and those accepting orders.http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2971
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tintin[url=http://forum.davidicke.com/member.php?u=13318]cori[/url] wrote:24-07-2011, 02:00 AM #29701
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No attack happened at BERLIN on june 26, as some expected...
but that day, that finale soccer game, showed us exactly, what would happen:
here you see Hope Solo with Wulff, who also welcomed Lena
when she was back from Oslo:
HOPE SOLO LOST. Japan won the tournament.
The decision was made through penalty kicks, after the game ended 2:2 (22!)
In german thats called 11 METRES shooting for the ball
has to be kicked off 11 metres from the goal.
11 = 4+7 = 2+2+7 = JULY 22
11 = 11 or 23 o'clock = 32 = Winnenden = age of ABB = 32
(and btw. also 32 dead in china train crash same day)
11 = 9+2 = 92 victims (so far tonight)
last but not least 11 = ELEVEN = elves = fairies = demons
11 METRES :
MET = WINE = WINEhouse = WIN = WINNENDEN = AMOK
Lena won at TELENOR ARENA OSLO
Lena + Raab = Rena.
Norway's Rena is the place where ABB has his geofarm
'I heart you' and the amok island shaped like a heart
(Hope Solo's dad is a Vetnam veteran and hence
links to Cruises '4th of july'+ Katie Holmes.
Holm means 'small island' see above)
On Lena-day, jimmy jump HOPPED the stage and HOPPER died.
HOPPER and HOPE.
Hope Solo lost and then there was
NO HOPE for OSLO
Hope Solo originally from Richland, Washington.
It was home of WWII nuclear center 'Hanford Site
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site
Lena is from Han_over. Winnenden and all the HAHN 's.
Now look at this about Hope Solo's Richland:
Quote:
Richlands high school sportteam is called The bombers
Bis heute lebt die Stadt mit den Schatten der Vergangenheit, so
nennt sich beispielsweise das Sportteam der Richland High-School „The
Bombers“ und ihr Abzeichen ist der Atompilz
and their logo is the atomic mushroom
...and ABBy was the BOMB
what a load of absurd bullshit reality
Last edited by cori; 24-07-2011 at 02:52 AM.
...so why post it, 'cori'?
Why post the absurd,
highlight and hide, select and bury game,
that 'you and' Team tintin Do?
Other than 'your' playing 'dog in the manger',
threat games, over this
uniquely rich and glorious land.
true lilly wrote:Why do 'you' keep asking questions of me,
when 'you' also boast of editing the forum, i.e.
'you' change anything, anyone wrote, whenever 'you' want?true lilly wrote:
It was Unpredictable that
Ball Lightning would have formed
at the right time and place
to have saved my life once...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
It was Unpredictable that
Ball Lightning would have formed
at the right time and place
to have saved my life once...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
...beautiful...
this, that, them & those...
...built to work; at work,
at what they're built for...
...beautiful...
It was Unpredictable that
Ball Lightning would have formed
at the right time and place
to have saved my life once...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:46 am
And one for "snoopsuffleblah-blah-blah" fans:
These 'jews', of The Synagogue of Satan,
are who he TELLS ALL to FOLLOW....
21 May 2008 16:45 UK
Israel hit by
Bible burning row
Ethiopian Jews. File photo
Proselytizing to Ethiopian Jews
is an historically sensitive issue
Messianic Jews in Israel say they want an inquiry into
the burning of hundreds of copies of the New Testament
by Orthodox Jews in Or Yehuda last week.
The books were given to the town's Ethiopian Jews
by the Messianic Jews, who believe in Jesus as a saviour.
Or Yehuda's deputy mayor says he received complaints
about the books, and arranged for them to be burnt.
He has now apologised after his actions have been compared
to those of Nazis who burnt Jewish holy scriptures.
Proselytizing to Ethiopian Jews is sensitive because historically
they were the target of missionaries who converted many
to Christianity in Ethiopia - though they later argued the
conversion was forced and they had never really
abandoned their Jewish faith, the BBC's Frances Harrison says.
The dispute is revealing growing tension between Messianic Jews
and their Orthodox opponents who do not recognise them as Jews,
our correspondent adds.
'Dumped and burned'
Many of the details of exactly what happened in Or Yehuda
are now disputed.
But the deputy mayor says Messianic Jewish missionaries had
targeted an area of the town where many Ethiopian Jews live,
distributing packages containing New Testaments and pamphlets.
He says he received complaints and then drove around the area
with a loudspeaker urging people to hand over the material
to Orthodox religious students who went door-to-door collecting it.
The books were then dumped in a pile and burned.
Messianic Jews complain of institutionalised discrimination
and are demanding all those involved be put on trial.
Meanwhile, Orthodox Jews are applauding the destruction of texts
they say urge Jews to convert.
These 'jews', of The Synagogue of Satan,
are who he TELLS ALL to FOLLOW....
21 May 2008 16:45 UK
Israel hit by
Bible burning row
Ethiopian Jews. File photo
Proselytizing to Ethiopian Jews
is an historically sensitive issue
Messianic Jews in Israel say they want an inquiry into
the burning of hundreds of copies of the New Testament
by Orthodox Jews in Or Yehuda last week.
The books were given to the town's Ethiopian Jews
by the Messianic Jews, who believe in Jesus as a saviour.
Or Yehuda's deputy mayor says he received complaints
about the books, and arranged for them to be burnt.
He has now apologised after his actions have been compared
to those of Nazis who burnt Jewish holy scriptures.
Proselytizing to Ethiopian Jews is sensitive because historically
they were the target of missionaries who converted many
to Christianity in Ethiopia - though they later argued the
conversion was forced and they had never really
abandoned their Jewish faith, the BBC's Frances Harrison says.
The dispute is revealing growing tension between Messianic Jews
and their Orthodox opponents who do not recognise them as Jews,
our correspondent adds.
'Dumped and burned'
Many of the details of exactly what happened in Or Yehuda
are now disputed.
But the deputy mayor says Messianic Jewish missionaries had
targeted an area of the town where many Ethiopian Jews live,
distributing packages containing New Testaments and pamphlets.
He says he received complaints and then drove around the area
with a loudspeaker urging people to hand over the material
to Orthodox religious students who went door-to-door collecting it.
The books were then dumped in a pile and burned.
Messianic Jews complain of institutionalised discrimination
and are demanding all those involved be put on trial.
Meanwhile, Orthodox Jews are applauding the destruction of texts
they say urge Jews to convert.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:59 am
Originally Posted by palomino
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25991536-913,00.html
KEY companies are lining up to join South Australia's
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about the economy and job prospects.
Defence giant Lockheed Martin has told the State Government it plans
a fourfold increase in its Australian workforce within five years, to
more than 1000 – and there is a strong likelihood it will establish its
headquarters in Adelaide.
The Government also is negotiating with a British-based cyber technology
firm which is considering SA as its new Australian base, potentially
creating more than 100 hi-tech jobs.
In the past three months, jobs related to the $8 billion
Air Warfare Destroyer contract
have jumped from 500 positions to almost 750.
Work on the first section of the hull begins in November and by 2013 it
is expected the project will employ 2000 people directly.
SA has secured seven projects – including the 12 next-generation
submarines costing $30 billion – predicted to almost double the number
of defence jobs to 28,000 by 2013.
Premier Mike Rann told The Advertiser details of his defence-based talks in Washington and London as part of his 16-day overseas trade mission.
"The Government has set about making SA the defence capital of the
nation," he said. "Lockheed in Washington, who currently employ about
260 people in SA, told me that SA is now a main part of their
operations."
Mr Rann said the Government was trying to convince Lockheed Martin to establish a headquarters at the new Techport site at Osborne
He said SA was in a very competitive market and faced stiff competition from other states for hi-tech defence work.
"We have gone from $14 billion worth of projects to more than $40 billion projects over a 25-year period," Mr Rann said.
"We are now very much on their (defence companies') radar."
The Federal Government decided to share work on the destroyer contract around Australia, but the majority is being done in SA.
AWD Alliance chief executive John Gallacher said jobs were continually building up to the peak of 2000.
"There's about $450 million in the process of being invested in the
shipyard – and that's already created between 500 or 600 construction
jobs just in establishing new facilities," he said. "We've been building
up our own team – that's created jobs."
The project also is employing Spanish, U.S. and UK specialists.
"They give the project quite an interesting flavour because it gives you
that international feel, but the majority of the jobs have been
recruited from South Australians," Mr Gallacher said.
The jump in optimism recorded in the BankSA consumer confidence survey
is the largest single increase in its 12-year history. It also signals
the highest level of consumer confidence in a decade.
Business confidence also has risen sharply from February's record lows to levels not seen since the boom years of 2003 to 2005.
BankSA managing director Rob Chapman said consumers were much more
optimistic about their employment prospects and the economy in general.
"It is promising for the state as it represents a strong platform for future sales growth and labour demand," he said.
Earlier in the week, Mr Rann told about 400 SA
expatriates at a reception at Australia House in London they should
consider returning home for work, because the state was doing much
better than most coming out of the global financial crisis.
He said the growth in defence and mining interests in SA meant those
companies would need accountants, lawyers, IT specialists and other
hi-tech workers.[/size]
Quote:
The Lockheed Scandal
Scandal rocked the Royal Family in 1976
when it was revealed that
Prince Bernhard had accepted a
US$1.1 million bribe from U.S. aircraft manufacturer
Lockheed Corporation to influence the Dutch government's
purchase of fighter aircraft.
He had served on more than 300 corporate boards
or committees worldwide and had been
praised in the Netherlands for his efforts
to promote the economic well-being of the country.
Prime Minister of the Netherlands Joop den Uyl
ordered an inquiry into the Lockheed affair,
while Prince Bernhard
refused to answer reporters' questions,
stating:
"I am above such things"[1].
The Dutch and international press headlined the stories for months,
providing proof of Prince Bernhard's Reiter SS membership and details of
his numerous extramarital affairs, including the purchase of a
luxurious Paris apartment for his mistress, Hélène Grinda, with whom he
had an illegitimate daughter, Alexia. (Bernhard also had a second
illegitimate daughter, Alicia, in the USA.)
On 26 August 1976, a toned-down, but nonetheless devastating, report on
Prince Bernhard's activities was released to a shocked Dutch public. The
Prince's own letter of 1974, to Lockheed Corporation, demanding
"commissions" be paid to him on [[Dutch governme aircraft purchases was
very damaging evidence of improper conduct by the Inspector General of
the Dutch Armed Forces. Criminal charges were not pressed by the
government out of respect for Queen Juliana, whose later abdication was
tacitly understood to be directly related to her husband's
conduct.[citation needed]
Prince Bernhard resigned as
Inspector-General of the Dutch armed forces.
The Prime Minister, Joop den Uyl, made a statement in Parliament and
told the delegates that the Prince would also resign from his various
high profile positions in businesses, charities, and other institutions.
The States-General voted against criminal
prosecution. Prince Bernhard turned over the presidency of the
international World Wildlife Fund to the British Duke of Edinburgh. The Dutch Royal family worked hard to rehabilitate the Prince's name, though other scandals were to be revealed in later years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_...pe-Biesterfeld
Prince Bernhard,
Father of Dutch Queen,
Dies at 93
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: December 2, 2004
Prince Bernhard, a bon vivant and outspoken
member of an ancient German royal family
who became husband of one queen of the Netherlands
and father of another,
died yesterday at a hospital in Utrecht near Amsterdam.
He was 93.
The Royal House of the Netherlands said that in November he was diagnosed with cancer, which spread to his stomach and lungs.
For six decades, Prince Bernhard lived at the royal palace in Soestdijk
with his wife, Queen Juliana. His daughter Beatrix became queen in 1980.
Juliana died this March at the age of 94.
Prince Bernhard earned global prominence by helping to establish the
World Wildlife Fund in 1961 and serving as its president until 1977. He
used his many contacts to set up the annual Bilderberg conferences, an
annual gathering of top business and political leaders to discuss great
issues facing the Western Alliance.
He emblazoned his dashing personality on his nation with his first
official visit to the Netherlands in 1936 with his fiancée, the crown
princess. He arrived in a powerful car, racing along the dikes until he
was stopped by a policeman for exceeding the speed limit. The Dutch had
expected a royal entourage, maybe a whole train.
The young German prince wore a white carnation in his buttonhole. It
soon became a popular decoration and within a few years would become a
symbol of resistance against Nazi Germany.
Prince Bernhard led that resistance after first being suspected of
having Nazi sympathies, which he resolutely denied, despite his brief
service in a German SS brigade. When the Nazis tried to portray the
marriage as an alliance, Queen Wilhelmina, Juliana's mother, declared,
"This is a marriage of my daughter to the man she loves. This is not the
marriage of the Netherlands to Germany."
The prince drove fast cars, skied fearlessly and rode his horses hard,
but business was at least an equal passion. Not only did his business
activities make him one of the richest members of European royalty, but
his apparent acceptance in 1976 of a bribe of more than $1 million from
Lockheed for steering business to the aerospace company, sparked an
international scandal.
Bernhard was born on June 29, 1911, in Jena, Germany, into the princely
family of Lippe, which was founded in the 12th century by the first
Prince Bernhard. The modern prince was named Bernhard Leopold Friedrich
Eberhard Julius Kurt Karl Gottfried Peter Lippe-Biesterfeld of
Lippe-Biesterfeld.
His childhood was spent in the waning days of the splendor of German
nobility. After World War I, German nobility had little left beyond a
ruined castle or two.
Bernhard studied the legal aspects of international trade at
universities in Lausanne, Switzerland, Munich and Berlin, earning his
law degree in Berlin. He joined the staff of the German chemical giant,
I.G. Farben and worked at its offices in Paris, Berlin and Amsterdam.
He met his future wife at the 1936 Olympic Winter Games in Bavaria. They
were married on Jan. 7, 1937, in a simple Calvinist ceremony. The
prince made a simple speech in fluent Dutch promising to study the
country's culture and become a good Dutchman.
At first, his mother-in-law, and certain of her subjects were publicly
critical of his fast driving and absences from church, but his
dignified, effective handling of a variety of government jobs quickly
won him favor. Queen Wilhelmina appreciated his industriousness.
"He wanted to earn his own living, and that was an idea of which I very
much approved," she said in an interview with The New York Times in
1937. "Princes must work nowadays."
In May 1940, Hitler invaded the Netherlands, and the prince joined the
Dutch forces. He was with the last contingent to hold out in the
province of Zeeland.
He then headed the Dutch resistance from London where the Dutch
government and Queen Wilhelmina resided in exile. His wife left for
Canada with the couple's two daughters, Beatrix, who was born in 1938,
and Irene, born in 1939. A third daughter, Margriet, was born in Canada
in 1943, and a fourth royal daughter, Christina, followed in 1947.
Bernhard is survived by all his daughters and more than 20 grandchildren and great-grandchildren, the Associated Press reported.
During his last years,
he freely gave his opinion about many topics,
saying, among other things, that
he had "a completely clear conscience"
about the Lockheed affair.
He had stepped down from all his business and government posts,
as well as the presidency of the wildlife group,
at the time of the scandal.
For years, despite intermittent controversies, he claimed to have tried to keep his profile low.
"With gossipmongers so eager to seize upon every possible incident and
rumor, it is important that a prince conduct himself with circumspection
- and develop a skin as tough as an elephant's," he wrote in Collier's
magazine in 1953.
And Bernhard knew something about elephants.
In the mid-1950's, he advised that
they should be shot at no more than 25 yards
and rhinoceroses at no more than 30
to lessen chances that they will be wounded.
Last edited by vera susa; 22-10-2009 at 09:51 AM.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25991536-913,00.html
KEY companies are lining up to join South Australia's
defence industry as an employment surge signals the start of an
anticipated boom.
It coincides with a dramatic rebound in consumer confidence, according to
BankSA's State Monitor, which yesterday revealed strong optimism
about the economy and job prospects.
Defence giant Lockheed Martin has told the State Government it plans
a fourfold increase in its Australian workforce within five years, to
more than 1000 – and there is a strong likelihood it will establish its
headquarters in Adelaide.
The Government also is negotiating with a British-based cyber technology
firm which is considering SA as its new Australian base, potentially
creating more than 100 hi-tech jobs.
In the past three months, jobs related to the $8 billion
Air Warfare Destroyer contract
have jumped from 500 positions to almost 750.
Work on the first section of the hull begins in November and by 2013 it
is expected the project will employ 2000 people directly.
SA has secured seven projects – including the 12 next-generation
submarines costing $30 billion – predicted to almost double the number
of defence jobs to 28,000 by 2013.
Premier Mike Rann told The Advertiser details of his defence-based talks in Washington and London as part of his 16-day overseas trade mission.
"The Government has set about making SA the defence capital of the
nation," he said. "Lockheed in Washington, who currently employ about
260 people in SA, told me that SA is now a main part of their
operations."
Mr Rann said the Government was trying to convince Lockheed Martin to establish a headquarters at the new Techport site at Osborne
He said SA was in a very competitive market and faced stiff competition from other states for hi-tech defence work.
"We have gone from $14 billion worth of projects to more than $40 billion projects over a 25-year period," Mr Rann said.
"We are now very much on their (defence companies') radar."
The Federal Government decided to share work on the destroyer contract around Australia, but the majority is being done in SA.
AWD Alliance chief executive John Gallacher said jobs were continually building up to the peak of 2000.
"There's about $450 million in the process of being invested in the
shipyard – and that's already created between 500 or 600 construction
jobs just in establishing new facilities," he said. "We've been building
up our own team – that's created jobs."
The project also is employing Spanish, U.S. and UK specialists.
"They give the project quite an interesting flavour because it gives you
that international feel, but the majority of the jobs have been
recruited from South Australians," Mr Gallacher said.
The jump in optimism recorded in the BankSA consumer confidence survey
is the largest single increase in its 12-year history. It also signals
the highest level of consumer confidence in a decade.
Business confidence also has risen sharply from February's record lows to levels not seen since the boom years of 2003 to 2005.
BankSA managing director Rob Chapman said consumers were much more
optimistic about their employment prospects and the economy in general.
"It is promising for the state as it represents a strong platform for future sales growth and labour demand," he said.
Earlier in the week, Mr Rann told about 400 SA
expatriates at a reception at Australia House in London they should
consider returning home for work, because the state was doing much
better than most coming out of the global financial crisis.
He said the growth in defence and mining interests in SA meant those
companies would need accountants, lawyers, IT specialists and other
hi-tech workers.[/size]
Quote:
| Originally Posted by vetis http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/21/gchq_eds/ government hires 3rd party to manage it..one with a VERY bad record too (the CSA system for example) As they are already designing and installing these devices..doesnt it make it obvious that any "consultations" are merely for show and the decision and contracts were signed a long time ago Edit: A commenter pointed this out: "Work in Cheltenham to crunch the data is being carried out under a secret project called Mastering the Internet.......... Earlier this year The Register revealed that Detica and Lockheed Martin were already both involved in Mastering the Internet, contracting on analysis software and hardware respectively." So we know who is involved (EDS (now HP), Detica and Lockheed Martin), we know what the project is called (Mastering the Internet) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/03/gchq_mti/ - mastering the internet. |
The Lockheed Scandal
Scandal rocked the Royal Family in 1976
when it was revealed that
Prince Bernhard had accepted a
US$1.1 million bribe from U.S. aircraft manufacturer
Lockheed Corporation to influence the Dutch government's
purchase of fighter aircraft.
He had served on more than 300 corporate boards
or committees worldwide and had been
praised in the Netherlands for his efforts
to promote the economic well-being of the country.
Prime Minister of the Netherlands Joop den Uyl
ordered an inquiry into the Lockheed affair,
while Prince Bernhard
refused to answer reporters' questions,
stating:
"I am above such things"[1].
The Dutch and international press headlined the stories for months,
providing proof of Prince Bernhard's Reiter SS membership and details of
his numerous extramarital affairs, including the purchase of a
luxurious Paris apartment for his mistress, Hélène Grinda, with whom he
had an illegitimate daughter, Alexia. (Bernhard also had a second
illegitimate daughter, Alicia, in the USA.)
On 26 August 1976, a toned-down, but nonetheless devastating, report on
Prince Bernhard's activities was released to a shocked Dutch public. The
Prince's own letter of 1974, to Lockheed Corporation, demanding
"commissions" be paid to him on [[Dutch governme aircraft purchases was
very damaging evidence of improper conduct by the Inspector General of
the Dutch Armed Forces. Criminal charges were not pressed by the
government out of respect for Queen Juliana, whose later abdication was
tacitly understood to be directly related to her husband's
conduct.[citation needed]
Prince Bernhard resigned as
Inspector-General of the Dutch armed forces.
The Prime Minister, Joop den Uyl, made a statement in Parliament and
told the delegates that the Prince would also resign from his various
high profile positions in businesses, charities, and other institutions.
The States-General voted against criminal
prosecution. Prince Bernhard turned over the presidency of the
international World Wildlife Fund to the British Duke of Edinburgh. The Dutch Royal family worked hard to rehabilitate the Prince's name, though other scandals were to be revealed in later years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_...pe-Biesterfeld
Prince Bernhard,
Father of Dutch Queen,
Dies at 93
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: December 2, 2004
Prince Bernhard, a bon vivant and outspoken
member of an ancient German royal family
who became husband of one queen of the Netherlands
and father of another,
died yesterday at a hospital in Utrecht near Amsterdam.
He was 93.
The Royal House of the Netherlands said that in November he was diagnosed with cancer, which spread to his stomach and lungs.
For six decades, Prince Bernhard lived at the royal palace in Soestdijk
with his wife, Queen Juliana. His daughter Beatrix became queen in 1980.
Juliana died this March at the age of 94.
Prince Bernhard earned global prominence by helping to establish the
World Wildlife Fund in 1961 and serving as its president until 1977. He
used his many contacts to set up the annual Bilderberg conferences, an
annual gathering of top business and political leaders to discuss great
issues facing the Western Alliance.
He emblazoned his dashing personality on his nation with his first
official visit to the Netherlands in 1936 with his fiancée, the crown
princess. He arrived in a powerful car, racing along the dikes until he
was stopped by a policeman for exceeding the speed limit. The Dutch had
expected a royal entourage, maybe a whole train.
The young German prince wore a white carnation in his buttonhole. It
soon became a popular decoration and within a few years would become a
symbol of resistance against Nazi Germany.
Prince Bernhard led that resistance after first being suspected of
having Nazi sympathies, which he resolutely denied, despite his brief
service in a German SS brigade. When the Nazis tried to portray the
marriage as an alliance, Queen Wilhelmina, Juliana's mother, declared,
"This is a marriage of my daughter to the man she loves. This is not the
marriage of the Netherlands to Germany."
The prince drove fast cars, skied fearlessly and rode his horses hard,
but business was at least an equal passion. Not only did his business
activities make him one of the richest members of European royalty, but
his apparent acceptance in 1976 of a bribe of more than $1 million from
Lockheed for steering business to the aerospace company, sparked an
international scandal.
Bernhard was born on June 29, 1911, in Jena, Germany, into the princely
family of Lippe, which was founded in the 12th century by the first
Prince Bernhard. The modern prince was named Bernhard Leopold Friedrich
Eberhard Julius Kurt Karl Gottfried Peter Lippe-Biesterfeld of
Lippe-Biesterfeld.
His childhood was spent in the waning days of the splendor of German
nobility. After World War I, German nobility had little left beyond a
ruined castle or two.
Bernhard studied the legal aspects of international trade at
universities in Lausanne, Switzerland, Munich and Berlin, earning his
law degree in Berlin. He joined the staff of the German chemical giant,
I.G. Farben and worked at its offices in Paris, Berlin and Amsterdam.
He met his future wife at the 1936 Olympic Winter Games in Bavaria. They
were married on Jan. 7, 1937, in a simple Calvinist ceremony. The
prince made a simple speech in fluent Dutch promising to study the
country's culture and become a good Dutchman.
At first, his mother-in-law, and certain of her subjects were publicly
critical of his fast driving and absences from church, but his
dignified, effective handling of a variety of government jobs quickly
won him favor. Queen Wilhelmina appreciated his industriousness.
"He wanted to earn his own living, and that was an idea of which I very
much approved," she said in an interview with The New York Times in
1937. "Princes must work nowadays."
In May 1940, Hitler invaded the Netherlands, and the prince joined the
Dutch forces. He was with the last contingent to hold out in the
province of Zeeland.
He then headed the Dutch resistance from London where the Dutch
government and Queen Wilhelmina resided in exile. His wife left for
Canada with the couple's two daughters, Beatrix, who was born in 1938,
and Irene, born in 1939. A third daughter, Margriet, was born in Canada
in 1943, and a fourth royal daughter, Christina, followed in 1947.
Bernhard is survived by all his daughters and more than 20 grandchildren and great-grandchildren, the Associated Press reported.
During his last years,
he freely gave his opinion about many topics,
saying, among other things, that
he had "a completely clear conscience"
about the Lockheed affair.
He had stepped down from all his business and government posts,
as well as the presidency of the wildlife group,
at the time of the scandal.
For years, despite intermittent controversies, he claimed to have tried to keep his profile low.
"With gossipmongers so eager to seize upon every possible incident and
rumor, it is important that a prince conduct himself with circumspection
- and develop a skin as tough as an elephant's," he wrote in Collier's
magazine in 1953.
And Bernhard knew something about elephants.
In the mid-1950's, he advised that
they should be shot at no more than 25 yards
and rhinoceroses at no more than 30
to lessen chances that they will be wounded.
Last edited by vera susa; 22-10-2009 at 09:51 AM.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
MoMo Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:47 am
...............................lilly, you are promoting one of the sickest, must deranged and repugnant doctrines.
Church Replacement Theology...........you call it 'Spiritual Israel'. That is a lie, deceit, fraud.
'Spiritual Israel' is any Gentile who accepts and agrees that YHWH has Blessed Abraham and his progeny with an Eternal Covenant blessing them and the ownership of Canaan/Israel for eternity.
Definition
http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php
lol-lilly, you remain a bullshit artist and an antisemite.
Church Replacement Theology...........you call it 'Spiritual Israel'. That is a lie, deceit, fraud.
'Spiritual Israel' is any Gentile who accepts and agrees that YHWH has Blessed Abraham and his progeny with an Eternal Covenant blessing them and the ownership of Canaan/Israel for eternity.
Definition
http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php
Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:
1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.
2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”
Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).
Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)
One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.
Theological Basis
Replacement Theology is closely associated with Reformed (or Covenant) Theology, the brand of theology historically linked to John Calvin (1509-1564) and the Protestant Reformation. Reformed/Covenant Theology, in turn, is closely associated with amillennialism, an eschatological view with a spiritualized (rather than literal-historical) interpretation of the prophetic Scriptures. The natural affinity these views (that is, Replacement Theology and amillennialism) seem to have for each other is understandable because Replacement Theology relies so heavily on a non-literal and allegorical interpretation of the biblical promises to Israel.
Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans - including even Calvin himself - wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God and experiencing a national regeneration, that is an increasingly marginalized, minority view in Reformed Christianity today (which is ironic, since we have seen the amazing rebirth of the nation of Israel, just as the Word of God predicted!). And even among those who allow for an end-time work of the Spirit of God among the Jewish people, there is still a reluctance to acknowledge that God is not finished with His people Israel as a nation, or to acknowledge the prospect of a future Kingdom on the Earth.
This view stands in contrast to the teachings of Dispensational Premillennialism, which affirms the continuing role that Israel plays (in tandem with the Church) in the outworking of God’s plan of redemption.
Historical Roots
Elements of Replacement Theology can be traced as far back as Marcion (A.D. 160), who carried on a theological crusade to purge the Church of what he perceived to be dangerous Jewish errors and influences. Later, many of these same anti-Judaic sentiments found their way into the thinking (and writings) of the Early Church fathers. Irenaeus (c. 180), for instance, wrote, “The Jews have rejected the Son of God and cast Him out of the vineyard when they slew Him. Therefore, God has justly rejected them and has given to the Gentiles outside the vineyard the fruits of its cultivation” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, [1885-1887], Volume 1, p. 493).
Over time, statements like these became the basis for full-blown anti-Semitism in some sectors of Christianity. Anything Jewish was renounced as an attempt to subvert and “Judaize” the Church. Teachings like chiliasm (millenarianism), for instance, were denounced as “Jewish fables.” The Early Church, which was clearly and undeniably Jewish, was described as “primitive,” unenlightened, and beset by erroneous notions that were carry-overs from ancient Judaism.
By the seventh century, Jewish people who came to faith in the Messiah were required to denounce their Jewish ancestry and heritage before they could be baptized. Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University cites the following Visigoth profession from c. A.D. 680-687: “I do here and now renounce every rite and observance of the Jewish religion, detesting all its most solemn ceremonies and tenets that in former days I kept and held. In future I will practice no rite or celebration connected with it, nor any custom of my past error, promising neither to seek it out or perform it. In the name of this Creed, which I truly believe and hold with all my heart, I promise that I will never return to the vomit of Jewish superstition. Never again will I fulfill any of the offices of Jewish ceremonies to which I was addicted, nor ever more hold them dear. I altogether deny and reject the errors of the Jewish religion, casting forth whatever conflicts with the Christian Faith, and affirming that my belief in the Holy Trinity is strong enough to make me live the truly Christian life, shun all intercourse with other Jews and have the circle of my friends only among honest Christians. With them or apart from them I must always eat Christian food, and as a genuinely devout Christian go often and reverently to Church. I promise also to maintain and embrace with due love and reverence the observance of all the Lord’s days or feasts for martyrs as declared by the piety of the Church, and upon those days to consort always with sincere Christians, as it behooves a pious and sincere Christian to do. Herewith is my profession of faith and belief as given by me on this date …” (“Professions of Faith Extracted from Jews on Baptism,’ from the Internet Medieval Sourcebook compiled by Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University [www.fordham.edu/halsall/sources/jewish-oaths.html]).
The incredible irony here is that only a few centuries earlier, the Church had been almost exclusively Jewish! The Messiah was Jewish; the writers of the Bible were Jewish; the apostles were Jewish; the earliest Christians were Jewish; the first congregation was Jewish (located in Jerusalem); and the first missionaries were Jewish!
In fact, a council of Church leaders - including Paul, Barnabas, Peter and James - was convened at Jerusalem (Acts 15) so the leaders of the new and growing Messianic Movement (known first as “the sect of the Nazarenes,” Acts 24:5) could decide upon what conditions non-Jews would be admitted into the fellowship of the saints! But here, within just a few generations, the shoe was already on the other foot! Non-Jews were in control of the Church now. Jewish doctrines (the earthly Kingdom in particular) were considered erroneous and even seditious. And non-Jewish Church leaders were laying down the terms for Jewish believers in Jesus who wished to be baptized.
Exegetical Problems with Supersessionism
Did the sins of the Jewish nation result in her rejection? Paul’s answer is found in Romans 11: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people whom He foreknew (vv. 1-2, NKJV). I say then, have they [Israel] stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! (vv. 11-12, NKJV). For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (v. 15, NKJV).
If the Jewish nation has no future in God’s plan, as the supersessionists claim, then what is the future “fullness” of Israel that Paul mentions in verse 12? And when, exactly, will the nation be resurrected (“life from the dead”) and “accepted” by God (verse 15)? Paul can’t be talking about the Church in this passage because the Church has never died - and never will (John 11:26). The only reasonable answer is that Paul is referring to a yet-future resurrection and restoration of Am Israel (the “people of Israel,” a collective term for the nation), as prophesied in passages like Ezekiel 37:1-14. It doesn’t mean they will automatically be saved simply because they are Jewish; rather, it means that the majority of Jewish people who are living at that time will recognize Yeshua of Nazareth as their Messiah and receive Him as Savior (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26).
They will be saved in the same way believers from all ages and generations have been saved; that is, they will be saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-10). The problem with saying that God rejected His people Israel is that the term “rejection” implies permanence and finality. Paul’s forceful statements in Romans 11 probably indicate that people were claiming, even in his day, that God had “cast away” His people Israel (v. 1). They were saying that Israel had “stumbled’ and “fallen” from her former position (vv. 11-12). Paul rejected any such notion (“Certainly not!” in verses 1 and 11). Then he goes on to say that even if we insist on saying that they were rejected, then we are forced to the conclusion that the rejection is only temporary. Even if we insist on saying that they did stumble and fall, then it must also be said that their fall brought salvation to the rest of the world (Gentiles) - and Israel’s fall, too, is only temporary because they are destined to be restored one day to a position of “fullness” (v. 12).
The “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom. 11:25) refers to the time when the full number of non-Jewish believers has been added to the ranks of the Church and the last person has been saved. Likewise, the “fullness” of the Jewish people (v. 12) refers to the time when “all Israel shall be saved” (v. 26). As we saw earlier, that means the Jewish people en masse will recognize and receive their Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth. There may be some dissenters - and their probably will be - but the Holy Spirit of God will do a powerful work among the Jewish people, and multitudes of them - the vast majority of them - will come to faith in the Messiah of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth.
The truth is that God is no more finished with Israel than He is finished with the Gentiles. Neither one has been replaced by the other; and God’s plan for both remains intact, in spite of their failures. This is really the crux of the issue. Replacement Theology says that Israel was rejected by God and that the rejection was permanent and irrevocable; however, we say that God’s calling on Israel was permanent and irrevocable, in spite of her many sins and shortcomings (Romans 11:29)
What Did the Apostles Believe About the Millennium?
Another problem for supersessionism and amillennialism is that these views are not in harmony with the teachings of the Apostles and the Early Church. Almost without exception, Church historians agree that chiliasm, an early form of premillennialism, was the position of the Early (Jewish) Church. In his classic, encyclopedic History of the Christian Church, Philip Schaff wrote, “The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene Age [A.D. 100-325] is the prominent chiliasm, or millenarianism, … a widely current opinion of distinguished teachers, such as Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, and Lactantius …” (Scribner, 1884; Vol. 2, p. 614).
What’s interesting about this admission is that it comes from someone who was neither evangelical nor premillennial. Schaff, in fact, was himself an ardent supersessionist! He wrote, “The carnal Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament is a diabolical perversion. The Christians, and not the Jews, are the true Israel of God and the righteous owners of the Old Testament Scriptures” (Ibid., Sec. 167, “Barnabas”). Yet as a student of history and as a scholar, he had to acknowledge that chiliasm was “prominent” in the Early Church, even though he himself despised it.
It should be noted that Papias (who believed in a future, earthly Kingdom) was a disciple of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of the Apostle John who actually penned the passages in the Book of Revelation about the Millennial Kingdom. Premillennialism, then, may be the only eschatological system with an unbroken link directly to the author of the Apocalypse. This means that amillennialism represents a departure from what the Early Church believed. Augustine (354-430), author of City of God, a 22-volume defense of his theological views, proposed ideas similar to what we know as amillennialism (Books 15 to 19). However, even Augustine started out as a premillennialist! It wasn’t until later in his life that he decided that the prophecies about (and promises to) Israel should be interpreted symbolically and applied to the Church, rather than being interpreted literally and applied to Israel.
The Sticking Point: Messiah’s Millennial Monarchy
Evangelicals have been busy for years trying to hammer out an understanding between premillennial dispensationalists and adherents of Reformed/Covenant Theology. Dispensationalists who have been actively pursuing this agenda (and making concessions to the opposing view) are known as “progressive dispensationalists.” The one point, however, that continues to be a fly in the ointment of reconciliation is the Millennial Kingdom. Even Covenant theologians who allow for an end-time mass conversion of the Jewish people still have difficulty accepting Israel’s role in a future, literal Kingdom on the Earth. This shows just how diverse amillennialism and premillennialism are and how difficult it is to bridge the gap between them without seriously compromising one or the other.
Why Is This Error Dangerous?
Is Replacement Theology really worth arguing about? Or is this discussion much ado about nothing? One reason it’s important to call attention to questionable theology, no matter how deeply entrenched it may be in traditional Christianity is that sooner or later, bad theology always leads to bad practice - and in this case, it already has! Replacement Theology has provided the basis for all sorts of mischief, persecution, and atrocities against the Jewish people throughout Christian history.
For example, Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, was a supersessionist. Near the end of his life, he said that synagogues and Jewish schools should be burned to the ground, Jewish people run out of their homes, their prayer books and Talmudic writings burned, and the rabbis forbidden to preach or teach on penalty of death (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], pp. 268-271). Luther also declared that Jewish people in Germany should be confined to their own homes and neighborhoods - a plan the Nazis implemented literally when they quarantined Jewish families in ghettos in Poland and other places before shipping them to the death camps for extermination. One historian writes: It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther’s advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering, and Himmler (William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich [New York: Simon & Shuster, 1960], p. 236).
No one is suggesting that anyone who believes in Replacement Theology is an anti-Semite or would agree with Luther’s statements. That would be an unfair characterization - and it certainly is not the case. It is important, nevertheless, to examine the implications and ramifications of any position, including Replacement Theology: and it is an incontestable fact that ideas similar to those of Replacement Theology have inspired some horrible atrocities against the Jewish people.
We’re Making Progress!
As we observed earlier, the term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new, and is generally avoided by adherents of supersessionism. As far as they are concerned, they’re simply espousing traditional theology - and in a sense, they are! Supersessionist ideas have been widely accepted in mainstream Christianity since the third century or so, as mainstream Christianity was gradually losing its original Jewish character. The Gentile powers-that-be in early institutional (Eastern and Western) Christianity wanted to distance themselves from Christianity’s Jewish origins. And they did!
The good new is that slowly but surely we’re making progress in our battle against Replacement Theology. Everywhere we go, all over the world, (even Arab countries!), we find believers who acknowledge Israel’s unique and ongoing place in God’s plan of the ages, and who are anxiously awaiting that Golden Age when, for the first time, “they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the Earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9).
Most Baptists today are premillennial (except for the most liberal Baptist denominations), as are many Bible churches, particularly those associated with IFCA (Independent Fundamental Churches of America) International and similar groups of independent churches. There are even premillennial Presbyterians! Our ranks are growing with every day that passes. Much of the opposition comes from the more liberal, mainline denominations and their seminaries. And it’s not merely coincidental that these are the same churches and institutions that are aligned with the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian World and National Councils of Churches.
If you’d like to know if your church leaders believe in Replacement Theology, ask them! If they are not familiar with the term, be patient because it’s entirely possible that they have never heard it before, even if they attended seminary. Also, it’s not likely that they’ve ever knowingly aligned themselves with any view that’s anti-Semitic, anti-Judaic or anti-Israel. This may all be new to them! Ask them, very humbly and sincerely, if they believe that God rejected Israel when Israel rejected His Son in the first century and that as a result, He has no future plan or purpose for the Jewish nation. They may reply that yes, of course, Jewish people can be saved and join the Church - and to them, that means God has a plan for the Jewish people. However, that’s not what we’re asking. We want to know if they believe that God is no longer dealing with the Jewish nation - and don’t be surprised if the answer, ultimately, is in the affirmative. After all, as we saw earlier, this has been the predominant view of mainstream Christianity for centuries - roughly since the time of Augustine, in fact. Sadly, this view has become normative in much of the Church, including many denominations and their seminaries.
Let’s not be afraid to challenge theological tradition when it’s wrong. It’s our responsibility to proclaim and defend the premillennial hope of the Church - and the nation of Israel - in these days of widespread error and apostasy. We should encourage our premillennial Bible colleges and seminaries to take a stand on Replacement Theology and challenge them to produce graduates who are knowledgeable about the historical and theological issues Replacement Theology encompasses. There’s a lot we can do, and we should be doing all we can!
lol-lilly, you remain a bullshit artist and an antisemite.
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Location : outside the box, I pooped in it.
Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:34 am
HACK AWAY...
I'll see your spam, and raise it, with Good Food...
...mmm...what IS interesting is 'your' 'biblical' 'quote'...
somewhat, VERY different (and so, VERY confused), from
what is written and MEANT in Holy Scripture...
1 Chronicles - Chapter 11
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Ch&c=11&v=1&t=KJV#top
...mmm...and interesting to, how scars from youth, become bigger with age...
The once tiny scars, from the then, revolutionary, 'Key Hole' surgery
that fixed my dislocated hips (and turned around my 5% chance of
ever walking at all, to one who could walk, and 'dance up a storm' by 6),
I noticed in the bath, just yesterday morning, are now, quite noticeable.
As is the scar on my 'wedding ring' finger, that I got at age 6, the same day
I won my first debate on what God asks of us; to discover decades later,
that it was Holy Scripture (I didn't know at the time), I had para-phrased.
...and, the scar on my 'wedding' ring finger, that only 'fitted' on the day we bought it,
and that I kept losing and finding, until losing it forever, when finally, I was
left in no doubt, that it wasn't only my husband who hated me, for loving God,
more than worldly things...a scar in the shape of an ancient letter, that in this age,
is commonly, pronounced as "J".
But no, it's not me
with the Messiah DELUSION...
buried under pages of 'el kabong'/'Billy Ruben' spam,
is an actual quote...of just one of 'tintin's' MANY statements that
HE BELIEVES HIMSELF TO BE 'The christ'...but NOT, THE PERFECT,
RESURRECTED SON of The Creator of Life...
...
...mind you, JACOB WAS, A BREEDER of CHAMPIONS...
I'll see your spam, and raise it, with Good Food...
true lilly wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:Hey True Lilly,
you
should,without spam,write up the definitive account,of what happened,in
your words,as you and Tintin,became friends,then had a fall-out
and
now,you've learnt of Tintins' international power and intrigue...all in
one story,that can be broken down into parts.Not all at once.
Yeah,just a thought....
What makes 'you' think 'you' 'should' 'tell' me, what I 'should' do?
"Bullshit, any Bullshit can't take pressure.
...which is why the bullshitters keep snipping, threatening, attacking,
then running away and hiding, from one little woman who honestly lives
in faith of the faithfulness of The Creator of Life.
Bullshitters like you, too gutless to personally quiz me,
(a person you know to be real, and really who I've shown
myself to be), as the person you are, in this real world,
or even as a fake person over another's phone.
And the real you, does know full well, just how much pressure,
I continue to live under, while maintaining the strength to take joy
in 'the little things', of True Value.
But here's something good that came of 'tintin's' betrayal of my hospitality
and offer of friendship; he showed the world that those who aim to betray
one who offers faithful friendship, only end up betraying themselves, and
some may choose to learn from that and repent of the evils they plot, before,
it's too late.
PROVERBS 6: 1 to 5
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=6&v=1&t=KJV#top
As I've explained, I offered 'tintin' a life line
with which to pull himself from the demons that
torment him in this life, and a fate worse than,
the first 'death' (into 'the big sleep'), by showing him
the real blessings (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
of those who don't deny, The Holy Spirit of Truth,
but he is still, choosing to turn it into his own noose.
As are all who still knowingly, willingly, choose to fight God.
PSALMS 78
1 Do give ear, O my people, to my law;
Incline YOUR ear to the sayings of my mouth.
2 In a proverbial saying I will open my mouth;
I will cause riddles of long ago to bubble forth,
3 Which we have heard and know,
And which our own fathers have related to us;
4 Which we do not hide from their sons,
Relating [them] even to the generation to come,
The praises of Jehovah and his strength
And his wonderful things that he has done.
5 And he proceeded to raise up a reminder in Jacob,
And a law he set in Israel,
Things that he commanded our forefathers,
To make them known to their sons;
6 In order that the generation to come,
the sons that were to be born, might know [them],
That they might rise up and relate [them] to their sons,
7 And that they might set their confidence in God himself
And not forget the practices of God but observe his own commandments.
8 And they should not become like their forefathers,
A generation stubborn and rebellious,
A generation who had not prepared their heart
And whose spirit was not trustworthy with God.
...oh DO, read on; contemplate the full meanings
of each blessing word, and take it to heart:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=78&v=1&t=KJV#top
Bless God. Bless The King. Bless all seeking to be faithful,
with The Holy Spirit's power to do so.
Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Israel Was Mentioned In The Book Of Genesis....
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” Genesis 32
Genesis 32
Jacob Prepares to Meet Esau
1 [a]Jacob also went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
2 When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is the camp of God!” So he named that place Mahanaim.[b]
3 Jacob sent messengers ahead of him to his brother Esau in the land of Seir, the country of Edom.
4 He instructed them: “This is what you are to say to my lord Esau:
‘Your servant Jacob says, I have been staying with Laban and have
remained there till now.
5 I have cattle and donkeys, sheep and goats, male and female servants.
Now I am sending this message to my lord, that I may find favor in your eyes.’”
6 When the messengers returned to Jacob, they said, “We went to your
brother Esau, and now he is coming to meet you, and four hundred men are
with him.”
7 In great fear and distress Jacob divided the
people who were with him into two groups, and the flocks and herds and
camels as well.
8 He thought, “If Esau comes and attacks one group, the group that is left may escape.”
9 Then Jacob prayed, “O God of my father Abraham, God of my father
Isaac, LORD, you who said to me, ‘Go back to your country and your
relatives, and I will make you prosper,’
10 I am unworthy of all the kindness and faithfulness you have shown your servant.
I had only my staff when I crossed this Jordan, but now I have become two camps.
11
Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau, for I am afraid he
will come and attack me, and also the mothers with their children.
12
But you have said, ‘I will surely make you prosper and will make your
descendants like the sand of the sea, which cannot be counted.’”
13 He spent the night there, and from what he had with him he selected a gift for his brother Esau:
14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams,
15 thirty female camels with their young, forty cows and ten bulls, and twenty female donkeys and ten male donkeys.
16 He put them in the care of his servants, each herd by itself, and
said to his servants, “Go ahead of me, and keep some space between the
herds.”
17 He instructed the one in the lead: “When my brother
Esau meets you and asks, ‘Who do you belong to, and where are you going,
and who owns all these animals in front of you?’
18 then you are to say, ‘They belong to your servant Jacob.
They are a gift sent to my lord Esau, and he is coming behind us.’”
19 He also instructed the second, the third and all the others who
followed the herds: “You are to say the same thing to Esau when you meet
him.
20 And be sure to say, ‘Your servant Jacob is coming behind
us.’” For he thought, “I will pacify him with these gifts I am sending
on ahead; later, when I see him, perhaps he will receive me.”
21 So Jacob’s gifts went on ahead of him, but he himself spent the night in the camp.
Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female
servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.
23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions.
24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
25
When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket
of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the
man.
26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip.
32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached
to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched
near the tendon.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 32&version=NIV
What Is Interesting In This,
Is That Jacob Became Lamed...
The Conquest of Jerusalem [1 Chron 11:4-9]
6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem against the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land, who
spoke to David, saying, "You shall not come in here; but the blind and the lame will repel you,"
thinking, "David cannot come in here."
7 Nevertheless David took the stronghold of Zion (that is,
the City of David).
8 Now David said on that day, "Whoever climbs up by way of the water shaft and defeats the
Jebusites (the lame and the blind, who are hated by David's soul), he shall be chief and captain."
Therefore they say, "The blind and the lame shall not come into the house."
To Be Damadged In The Hip Was A Sign Of Messiahship...!!!
...mmm...what IS interesting is 'your' 'biblical' 'quote'...
somewhat, VERY different (and so, VERY confused), from
what is written and MEANT in Holy Scripture...
1 Chronicles - Chapter 11
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Ch&c=11&v=1&t=KJV#top
...mmm...and interesting to, how scars from youth, become bigger with age...
The once tiny scars, from the then, revolutionary, 'Key Hole' surgery
that fixed my dislocated hips (and turned around my 5% chance of
ever walking at all, to one who could walk, and 'dance up a storm' by 6),
I noticed in the bath, just yesterday morning, are now, quite noticeable.
As is the scar on my 'wedding ring' finger, that I got at age 6, the same day
I won my first debate on what God asks of us; to discover decades later,
that it was Holy Scripture (I didn't know at the time), I had para-phrased.
...and, the scar on my 'wedding' ring finger, that only 'fitted' on the day we bought it,
and that I kept losing and finding, until losing it forever, when finally, I was
left in no doubt, that it wasn't only my husband who hated me, for loving God,
more than worldly things...a scar in the shape of an ancient letter, that in this age,
is commonly, pronounced as "J".
But no, it's not me
with the Messiah DELUSION...buried under pages of 'el kabong'/'Billy Ruben' spam,
is an actual quote...of just one of 'tintin's' MANY statements that
HE BELIEVES HIMSELF TO BE 'The christ'...but NOT, THE PERFECT,
RESURRECTED SON of The Creator of Life...
......mind you, JACOB WAS, A BREEDER of CHAMPIONS...
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 63
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
MoMo Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:48 am
lilly, do you comprehend this Data?
Sign #1: The Diaspora
The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They were dispersed for over 1,900 years. They are there again today.
Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days."
Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds."
To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead.
Sign #2: The Return
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Bible passages predict the return of Israel to the land of Palestine. Here are only two.
Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."
Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
Sign #3: Buying back the land
The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land.
Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD."
Sign #4: Israel - Reborn in a day
Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day.
Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."
Sign #5: The order of the return
The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet.
Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."
"... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."
Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.
Sign #6: A pure language
With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets.
Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering".
Sign #7: The shekel
After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted.
Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel."
Sign #8: Named cities of Israel
There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations.
Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
Sign #9: Cities excepted - never to be inhabited
Yeshua pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today.
Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
Sign #10: From desolation to productivity
The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!"
Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."
Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...." .................................The answer is really very simple. God gave the land of Israel to Abraham (Genesis 17:
and to his descendants through Isaac (Genesis 26:2-5) and Jacob (Genesis 28:1-4,13-14).
That means the land belongs to the descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. In other words, the land belongs to the children of Israel, referred to in the New Testament as the Jews (Romans 1:16).
Some immediately protest this claim by arguing that the Abrahamic Covenant has been abrogated either by the Cross or by the disobedience of the Jews. But the Bible clearly teaches that the Abrahamic Covenant is an everlasting one that is still in effect (Genesis 17:7; 1 Chronicles 16:17-18; Psalm 105:8-11; and Romans 9:4).
As to the effect of the Jew's rejection of Jesus, Paul specifically addresses this question in Romans 3. He asks a rhetorical question: "What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?" For almost two thousand years the Church has answered this question with a resounding, Yes! But Paul answers it differently. He says, "May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar..." (Romans 3:1-4).
Further, Paul states in Romans 11 that the disobedience of the Jews has not nullified the promises of God to them, "for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29). God's promises are going to be fulfilled to a believing remnant (Romans 9: 27). In fact, in Romans 9:4, Paul specifically states that God's promises to the Jews are still valid.
Two Land Covenants
What most people do not know is that there are two Old Testament covenants pertaining to the land of Israel. The Abrahamic Covenant gives the title of the land to the Jews in perpetuity. A later covenant, the Mosaic Land Covenant — or Canaan Covenant — of Deuteronomy 28-30 defines the conditions for possession and enjoyment of the land.
This latter covenant is often referred to as the "Palestinian Covenant," but that is a misnomer, for the land was never called Palestine until after the second Jewish revolt in 132-135 A.D. At that time the Romans dubbed it "Palestine" to erase the memory of its Jewish heritage and to insult the Jews, for Palestine is the Latin word for Philistine, the ancient enemy of Israel.
Let me illustrate the role and relationship of these two covenants with a modern day example. Let's say you buy a car for a child of yours and put the title in the child's name. But you explain to the child that there are conditions for using the car — such as no speeding. And you warn your child that a speeding ticket will result in the loss of the privilege of driving the car for a period of two weeks. If the child gets a ticket and you lock the car up in the garage for two weeks, the car still belongs to the child because the child's name is on the title. But the child has temporarily lost possession of the vehicle.
In like manner, the Abrahamic Covenant (about 2,000 B.C.) gave the title of the land to the Jews for eternity. The Canaan Covenant (about 1250 B.C.) defined the terms for possession and use of the land. Title and possession are not the same thing. The Jews have lost possession of the land from time to time, but they have never lost their God-given title.
The Canaan Covenant
The Land Covenant promised that Israel would become the prime nation of the world if the Jews were obedient to God (Deuteronomy 28:1,13). But the covenant warned that many curses would befall the people if they were disobedient (Deuteronomy 28:15-37), including exile from the land (Deuteronomy 28:38-57). The covenant warned further that if temporary exile did not restore the Jews to obedience, they would suffer worldwide dispersion and persecution (Deuteronomy 28:58-68). But nowhere are they told that their disobedience would lead to a loss of their title to the land.
In fact, the Land Covenant ends in chapter 30 with a prophecy and a promise that a day will come — after the Jews have experienced the curses of the covenant — when the Lord will restore them to their land once again: "The Lord will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. And the Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 30:3-5).
For almost 1900 years the Jews wandered among the nations and suffered severe persecution, just as prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. During that time, their land became desolate as prophesied in Deuteronomy 29. But in this century, God has regathered them from the four corners of the earth, re-established them in their land, and transformed their land from wilderness to milk and honey — as prophesied in Deuteronomy 30.
The only prophecy left to be fulfilled in the Land Covenant is the spiritual salvation of the gathered remnant (Deuteronomy 30:6-. That will occur soon when they repent and accept Yeshua as their Messiah.
The Abrahamic and Land Covenants make it clear that the Jewish people have both the right to the land of Israel and the right to be back in it today.
The Arab Covenant
Where does this leave the Arabs? As descendants of Abraham's son, Ishmael, they too have a promise, but it is not a land promise. The covenant God made with Ishmael had to do with the number of his descendants. Ishmael was promised that his descendants would be "multiplied exceedingly" (Genesis 17:20).
God has faithfully kept His promise to the descendants of Ishmael. Today there are 21 Arab states with a combined population of 175 million Arabs. There is only one Jewish state with a population of 5 million. The Arab states contain 5.3 million square miles of oil rich land. Israel has only 8 thousand square miles of land with no major oil reserves that have been discovered. That's a population ratio of 43 to 1 and a land ratio of 662 to 1!
The Palestinian Claim
But what about the Palestinian people? Don't they deserve a state? Keep in mind first of all that a Palestinian state never existed prior to this century. From 70 A.D. to 1948 the geographical area known as Palestine was never an independent state nor did the Arabs residing there have any consciousness of themselves as a separate nation of people. They regarded themselves as Syrians. Also, keep in mind that Jerusalem has never served as the capital of any Arab nation, whereas it has been considered the capital of the Jewish people since 1000 B.C.
Also noteworthy is the fact that when the West Bank and Gaza were under Jordanian autonomy from 1948 to 1967, there was not any effort to create a separate Palestinian state. The PLO was formed during that time, not for the purpose of creating a Palestinian State, but rather for the purpose of exterminating the Jewish state.
Equally important is the fact that a Palestinian state already exists — and it is four times larger than Israel! The Palestinian state is Jordan. In the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the British originally promised all the Palestinian Mandate to the Jews as a national homeland. But in 1922 they broke that promise by using 77% of the Mandate to create the Arab state of Jordan. Today that state's population is 75% Palestinian.
The True Arab Goal
Then why do the Arabs demand the creation of a Palestinian state within the boundaries of current day Israel? The answer is simple. The real Arab goal is not the establishment of another Palestinian state. The true goal is the destruction of Israel.
In fact, Arafat spelled out his current strategy several years ago to the Arab world, and the strategy was adopted officially by the PLO in 1974. It is called "the phased plan." Realizing that he could not defeat Israel with war or terrorism, he decided that the road to victory was deceptive diplomacy. He would talk about peace in return for land, while rallying the anti-Israeli Western powers to put pressure on the Israeli government to capitulate. Once he got a toe-hold in the land, he would then use that as a base for renewed attacks on Israel. In short, he would take Israel in phases. It is a clever strategy that he has spelled out in detail in many public speeches, just as Hitler outlined his strategy in detail in Mein Kampf.
The World's Demand
The world insists that the Jews must trade land for peace. But trading land for peace only whets the appetite of the aggressor. Israel has returned the Sinai to Egypt twice, and the Egyptians are still bristling with hostility toward Israel.
Furthermore, Israel doesn't have any territory to give away. It is one of the world's smallest nations. Turning the West Bank over to hostile Arabs would put the enemy of Israel within 11 miles of Tel Aviv. No government in its right mind would agree to such insanity.
Why then, did the government of Yitzhak Rabin (the Prime Minister) and Shimon Peres (the Foreign Minister) agree to the initiation of the current peace process? The answer is deception. They were deceived by the PLO and the western nations. Worst of all, they deceived themselves.
Their self-deception was rooted in their Humanistic view of the world. Keep in mind that there was not a single believer in God among the top circle of Israeli leaders in the Rabin government. They were all either atheists or agnostics. Politically, they were either socialists or liberal humanists. This means that they believed in the basic goodness of Man. Translated into foreign policy, it means that they believed that if they treated their enemies with fairness and trust, their enemies would reciprocate. They simply could not bring themselves to believe that their enemies are determined to destroy them.
Imbecilic Policy
Ignoring all the harsh lessons of history, Rabin and Peres embarked on a policy of appeasement, hoping that they could satisfy the appetite of their enemies by giving them land for peace. History proves conclusively that appeasement always has the opposite effect — namely, it encourages the aggressor to want more.
Chamberlain found that out when he tried to satisfy Hitler by trading him the Sudetenland for peace. Chamberlain turned out to be a fool. But Rabin and Peres made Chamberlain look good. After all, he at least was not foolish enough to trade some of the territory of Britain for peace! No, he gave away another nation's land. Rabin and Peres sought to trade their own land, land that puts their sworn enemy in the very heart of their nation.
Implacable Enemies
What makes all this particularly ludicrous is the fact that Yasser Arafat does not even attempt to hide his true intentions. He promised that in return for receiving autonomy over Gaza and Jericho he would have the PLO rescind the clauses in its covenant that call for the destruction of Israel. That was five years ago, and he still has not even attempted to get the PLO to amend its charter.
Even worse, Arafat continues to speak openly about his intention to take Jerusalem. The ink was hardly dry on the "peace" accord when he gave a speech in South Africa advocating a jihad to "liberate" Jerusalem. A jihad is a holy war! Again, Rabin and Peres made excuses for him, as did the U.S. State Department. They explained that Arafat was just saying what he had to say to placate his Arab enemies, and that he really didn't mean what he was saying. That's exactly what the Western European leaders kept saying about Hitler — "He doesn't really mean it." Well, he meant it, and so does Arafat.
Insolent Allies
The Israeli leaders have also been deceived by the West. The United States and its Western allies have talked the government of Israel into doing something that every Israeli leader in the past said the nation would never do, and that is to place the survival of the country in the hands of foreigners. The Western nations keep whispering soothing assurances that they will "guarantee" the peace. But when the "peace" evaporates into all out war, Israel will discover that the Western world will back off and leave the nation to fend for itself. The bottom line is that Israel is no Kuwait. Israel has no oil, and Israel is full of Jews whom the world hates.
The current "peace" process is a prescription for war, and it will be the bloodiest war in the history of the Middle East. I believe it will be a war that will lead up to the climax of the current age, ushering in the Tribulation.
The Jews' Resolve
The Jews must stand firm in their determination to maintain the territorial integrity of the land God gave them. In doing so, they will bring the wrath of the nations upon themselves. The prophet Zechariah says that all the nations of the world will come together against Israel in the end times (Zechariah 12:3).
But God will sustain the Jewish people, for they are the "apple of His eye" (Zechariah 2:. The Word of God says Philistia is finished — "melted away" (Isaiah 14:29-32). And the Word says that once the Jews are reestablished in the their land, "they will never be rooted up again" (Amos 9:14-15).
Let all the world come together against God's Chosen. The Lord sits in the heavens and laughs (Psalm 2:4), for He has the wisdom and power to orchestrate all the evil of Man to the fulfillment of His purposes (Psalm 76:10).
Imminent Scenario
What is likely to happen next? Here is the most likely scenario that I can foresee at the moment. Arafat will die (he is in bad health) or will be assassinated, and Hamas, the fundamentalist Arab terrorist organization funded by Iran, will take over control of the Palestinian autonomous areas. Hamas will then unleash a renewed rain of terror on Israel, lobbing rockets from Gaza and Jericho to back up their demand for control of Jerusalem.
If Arafat manages to remain alive, he will go after the same objective, using more subtle means. He will orchestrate world pressure on Israel through the United Nations and the Vatican. On May 4 of next year he will proclaim a Palestinian state and then demand that Jerusalem be "liberated" or internationalized.
Since even the most liberal Israelis take the position that Jerusalem is non negotiable, the pressure will mount toward an inevitable conflict. If Hamas does not unleash the rockets first, then Arafat will ultimately return to the method he knows best — terror.
This will prompt an Israeli counter attack, which, in turn, will motivate the Arab states to come to the defense of the Palestinians. Syria will launch an all out missile attack on Tel Aviv, using the Scuds it has been purchasing from North Korea.
When that ominous event occurs, the Israelis will be forced to use their ultimate weapon to survive. They will strike Damascus with nuclear weapons. This will fulfill the prophecies that state that Damascus will cease to exist in the end times (Isaiah 17:1-3 and Jeremiah 49:23-27).
In panic, the Arab states will then turn to their natural ally for help — the Russians. And the likelihood is that by that time Russia will be firmly in the hands of either a military dictatorship or a despot like Vladimir Zhiranovsky who would be only too happy to send an army into the Middle East to destroy Israel (and grab the Arab oil fields in the process).
That is when the Lord will step in personally to destroy the Russian hordes on the mountains of Israel in a supernatural way so that even the Israelis will realize that their deliverance came from the Lord and not from their own military might (Ezekiel 38 and 39).
As the whole world panics on the brink of World War III, a dynamic, charismatic political leader from Europe will step into the vacuum and propose an ingenious solution that will result in peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors — a peace that will enable the Jews to rebuild their Temple.
We live in exciting times when we can watch prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes. The events are ominous and overwhelming, but we can stand firm with great hope because we know that God is on His throne and that He is in control.
The events we are currently witnessing point to the imminent return of Yeshua, and when He returns, the world will be flooded with peace and righteousness, and Israel will enjoy the blessings of territorial integrity and peace forevermore (Zechariah 8:1-.
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Sign #1: The Diaspora
The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They were dispersed for over 1,900 years. They are there again today.
Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days."
Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds."
To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead.
Sign #2: The Return
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Bible passages predict the return of Israel to the land of Palestine. Here are only two.
Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."
Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
Sign #3: Buying back the land
The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land.
Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD."
Sign #4: Israel - Reborn in a day
Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day.
Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."
Sign #5: The order of the return
The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet.
Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."
"... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."
Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.
Sign #6: A pure language
With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets.
Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering".
Sign #7: The shekel
After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted.
Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel."
Sign #8: Named cities of Israel
There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations.
Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
Sign #9: Cities excepted - never to be inhabited
Yeshua pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today.
Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
Sign #10: From desolation to productivity
The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!"
Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."
Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...." .................................The answer is really very simple. God gave the land of Israel to Abraham (Genesis 17:
and to his descendants through Isaac (Genesis 26:2-5) and Jacob (Genesis 28:1-4,13-14).That means the land belongs to the descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. In other words, the land belongs to the children of Israel, referred to in the New Testament as the Jews (Romans 1:16).
Some immediately protest this claim by arguing that the Abrahamic Covenant has been abrogated either by the Cross or by the disobedience of the Jews. But the Bible clearly teaches that the Abrahamic Covenant is an everlasting one that is still in effect (Genesis 17:7; 1 Chronicles 16:17-18; Psalm 105:8-11; and Romans 9:4).
As to the effect of the Jew's rejection of Jesus, Paul specifically addresses this question in Romans 3. He asks a rhetorical question: "What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?" For almost two thousand years the Church has answered this question with a resounding, Yes! But Paul answers it differently. He says, "May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar..." (Romans 3:1-4).
Further, Paul states in Romans 11 that the disobedience of the Jews has not nullified the promises of God to them, "for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29). God's promises are going to be fulfilled to a believing remnant (Romans 9: 27). In fact, in Romans 9:4, Paul specifically states that God's promises to the Jews are still valid.
Two Land Covenants
What most people do not know is that there are two Old Testament covenants pertaining to the land of Israel. The Abrahamic Covenant gives the title of the land to the Jews in perpetuity. A later covenant, the Mosaic Land Covenant — or Canaan Covenant — of Deuteronomy 28-30 defines the conditions for possession and enjoyment of the land.
This latter covenant is often referred to as the "Palestinian Covenant," but that is a misnomer, for the land was never called Palestine until after the second Jewish revolt in 132-135 A.D. At that time the Romans dubbed it "Palestine" to erase the memory of its Jewish heritage and to insult the Jews, for Palestine is the Latin word for Philistine, the ancient enemy of Israel.
Let me illustrate the role and relationship of these two covenants with a modern day example. Let's say you buy a car for a child of yours and put the title in the child's name. But you explain to the child that there are conditions for using the car — such as no speeding. And you warn your child that a speeding ticket will result in the loss of the privilege of driving the car for a period of two weeks. If the child gets a ticket and you lock the car up in the garage for two weeks, the car still belongs to the child because the child's name is on the title. But the child has temporarily lost possession of the vehicle.
In like manner, the Abrahamic Covenant (about 2,000 B.C.) gave the title of the land to the Jews for eternity. The Canaan Covenant (about 1250 B.C.) defined the terms for possession and use of the land. Title and possession are not the same thing. The Jews have lost possession of the land from time to time, but they have never lost their God-given title.
The Canaan Covenant
The Land Covenant promised that Israel would become the prime nation of the world if the Jews were obedient to God (Deuteronomy 28:1,13). But the covenant warned that many curses would befall the people if they were disobedient (Deuteronomy 28:15-37), including exile from the land (Deuteronomy 28:38-57). The covenant warned further that if temporary exile did not restore the Jews to obedience, they would suffer worldwide dispersion and persecution (Deuteronomy 28:58-68). But nowhere are they told that their disobedience would lead to a loss of their title to the land.
In fact, the Land Covenant ends in chapter 30 with a prophecy and a promise that a day will come — after the Jews have experienced the curses of the covenant — when the Lord will restore them to their land once again: "The Lord will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. And the Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 30:3-5).
For almost 1900 years the Jews wandered among the nations and suffered severe persecution, just as prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. During that time, their land became desolate as prophesied in Deuteronomy 29. But in this century, God has regathered them from the four corners of the earth, re-established them in their land, and transformed their land from wilderness to milk and honey — as prophesied in Deuteronomy 30.
The only prophecy left to be fulfilled in the Land Covenant is the spiritual salvation of the gathered remnant (Deuteronomy 30:6-
. That will occur soon when they repent and accept Yeshua as their Messiah.The Abrahamic and Land Covenants make it clear that the Jewish people have both the right to the land of Israel and the right to be back in it today.
The Arab Covenant
Where does this leave the Arabs? As descendants of Abraham's son, Ishmael, they too have a promise, but it is not a land promise. The covenant God made with Ishmael had to do with the number of his descendants. Ishmael was promised that his descendants would be "multiplied exceedingly" (Genesis 17:20).
God has faithfully kept His promise to the descendants of Ishmael. Today there are 21 Arab states with a combined population of 175 million Arabs. There is only one Jewish state with a population of 5 million. The Arab states contain 5.3 million square miles of oil rich land. Israel has only 8 thousand square miles of land with no major oil reserves that have been discovered. That's a population ratio of 43 to 1 and a land ratio of 662 to 1!
The Palestinian Claim
But what about the Palestinian people? Don't they deserve a state? Keep in mind first of all that a Palestinian state never existed prior to this century. From 70 A.D. to 1948 the geographical area known as Palestine was never an independent state nor did the Arabs residing there have any consciousness of themselves as a separate nation of people. They regarded themselves as Syrians. Also, keep in mind that Jerusalem has never served as the capital of any Arab nation, whereas it has been considered the capital of the Jewish people since 1000 B.C.
Also noteworthy is the fact that when the West Bank and Gaza were under Jordanian autonomy from 1948 to 1967, there was not any effort to create a separate Palestinian state. The PLO was formed during that time, not for the purpose of creating a Palestinian State, but rather for the purpose of exterminating the Jewish state.
Equally important is the fact that a Palestinian state already exists — and it is four times larger than Israel! The Palestinian state is Jordan. In the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the British originally promised all the Palestinian Mandate to the Jews as a national homeland. But in 1922 they broke that promise by using 77% of the Mandate to create the Arab state of Jordan. Today that state's population is 75% Palestinian.
The True Arab Goal
Then why do the Arabs demand the creation of a Palestinian state within the boundaries of current day Israel? The answer is simple. The real Arab goal is not the establishment of another Palestinian state. The true goal is the destruction of Israel.
In fact, Arafat spelled out his current strategy several years ago to the Arab world, and the strategy was adopted officially by the PLO in 1974. It is called "the phased plan." Realizing that he could not defeat Israel with war or terrorism, he decided that the road to victory was deceptive diplomacy. He would talk about peace in return for land, while rallying the anti-Israeli Western powers to put pressure on the Israeli government to capitulate. Once he got a toe-hold in the land, he would then use that as a base for renewed attacks on Israel. In short, he would take Israel in phases. It is a clever strategy that he has spelled out in detail in many public speeches, just as Hitler outlined his strategy in detail in Mein Kampf.
The World's Demand
The world insists that the Jews must trade land for peace. But trading land for peace only whets the appetite of the aggressor. Israel has returned the Sinai to Egypt twice, and the Egyptians are still bristling with hostility toward Israel.
Furthermore, Israel doesn't have any territory to give away. It is one of the world's smallest nations. Turning the West Bank over to hostile Arabs would put the enemy of Israel within 11 miles of Tel Aviv. No government in its right mind would agree to such insanity.
Why then, did the government of Yitzhak Rabin (the Prime Minister) and Shimon Peres (the Foreign Minister) agree to the initiation of the current peace process? The answer is deception. They were deceived by the PLO and the western nations. Worst of all, they deceived themselves.
Their self-deception was rooted in their Humanistic view of the world. Keep in mind that there was not a single believer in God among the top circle of Israeli leaders in the Rabin government. They were all either atheists or agnostics. Politically, they were either socialists or liberal humanists. This means that they believed in the basic goodness of Man. Translated into foreign policy, it means that they believed that if they treated their enemies with fairness and trust, their enemies would reciprocate. They simply could not bring themselves to believe that their enemies are determined to destroy them.
Imbecilic Policy
Ignoring all the harsh lessons of history, Rabin and Peres embarked on a policy of appeasement, hoping that they could satisfy the appetite of their enemies by giving them land for peace. History proves conclusively that appeasement always has the opposite effect — namely, it encourages the aggressor to want more.
Chamberlain found that out when he tried to satisfy Hitler by trading him the Sudetenland for peace. Chamberlain turned out to be a fool. But Rabin and Peres made Chamberlain look good. After all, he at least was not foolish enough to trade some of the territory of Britain for peace! No, he gave away another nation's land. Rabin and Peres sought to trade their own land, land that puts their sworn enemy in the very heart of their nation.
Implacable Enemies
What makes all this particularly ludicrous is the fact that Yasser Arafat does not even attempt to hide his true intentions. He promised that in return for receiving autonomy over Gaza and Jericho he would have the PLO rescind the clauses in its covenant that call for the destruction of Israel. That was five years ago, and he still has not even attempted to get the PLO to amend its charter.
Even worse, Arafat continues to speak openly about his intention to take Jerusalem. The ink was hardly dry on the "peace" accord when he gave a speech in South Africa advocating a jihad to "liberate" Jerusalem. A jihad is a holy war! Again, Rabin and Peres made excuses for him, as did the U.S. State Department. They explained that Arafat was just saying what he had to say to placate his Arab enemies, and that he really didn't mean what he was saying. That's exactly what the Western European leaders kept saying about Hitler — "He doesn't really mean it." Well, he meant it, and so does Arafat.
Insolent Allies
The Israeli leaders have also been deceived by the West. The United States and its Western allies have talked the government of Israel into doing something that every Israeli leader in the past said the nation would never do, and that is to place the survival of the country in the hands of foreigners. The Western nations keep whispering soothing assurances that they will "guarantee" the peace. But when the "peace" evaporates into all out war, Israel will discover that the Western world will back off and leave the nation to fend for itself. The bottom line is that Israel is no Kuwait. Israel has no oil, and Israel is full of Jews whom the world hates.
The current "peace" process is a prescription for war, and it will be the bloodiest war in the history of the Middle East. I believe it will be a war that will lead up to the climax of the current age, ushering in the Tribulation.
The Jews' Resolve
The Jews must stand firm in their determination to maintain the territorial integrity of the land God gave them. In doing so, they will bring the wrath of the nations upon themselves. The prophet Zechariah says that all the nations of the world will come together against Israel in the end times (Zechariah 12:3).
But God will sustain the Jewish people, for they are the "apple of His eye" (Zechariah 2:
. The Word of God says Philistia is finished — "melted away" (Isaiah 14:29-32). And the Word says that once the Jews are reestablished in the their land, "they will never be rooted up again" (Amos 9:14-15).Let all the world come together against God's Chosen. The Lord sits in the heavens and laughs (Psalm 2:4), for He has the wisdom and power to orchestrate all the evil of Man to the fulfillment of His purposes (Psalm 76:10).
Imminent Scenario
What is likely to happen next? Here is the most likely scenario that I can foresee at the moment. Arafat will die (he is in bad health) or will be assassinated, and Hamas, the fundamentalist Arab terrorist organization funded by Iran, will take over control of the Palestinian autonomous areas. Hamas will then unleash a renewed rain of terror on Israel, lobbing rockets from Gaza and Jericho to back up their demand for control of Jerusalem.
If Arafat manages to remain alive, he will go after the same objective, using more subtle means. He will orchestrate world pressure on Israel through the United Nations and the Vatican. On May 4 of next year he will proclaim a Palestinian state and then demand that Jerusalem be "liberated" or internationalized.
Since even the most liberal Israelis take the position that Jerusalem is non negotiable, the pressure will mount toward an inevitable conflict. If Hamas does not unleash the rockets first, then Arafat will ultimately return to the method he knows best — terror.
This will prompt an Israeli counter attack, which, in turn, will motivate the Arab states to come to the defense of the Palestinians. Syria will launch an all out missile attack on Tel Aviv, using the Scuds it has been purchasing from North Korea.
When that ominous event occurs, the Israelis will be forced to use their ultimate weapon to survive. They will strike Damascus with nuclear weapons. This will fulfill the prophecies that state that Damascus will cease to exist in the end times (Isaiah 17:1-3 and Jeremiah 49:23-27).
In panic, the Arab states will then turn to their natural ally for help — the Russians. And the likelihood is that by that time Russia will be firmly in the hands of either a military dictatorship or a despot like Vladimir Zhiranovsky who would be only too happy to send an army into the Middle East to destroy Israel (and grab the Arab oil fields in the process).
That is when the Lord will step in personally to destroy the Russian hordes on the mountains of Israel in a supernatural way so that even the Israelis will realize that their deliverance came from the Lord and not from their own military might (Ezekiel 38 and 39).
As the whole world panics on the brink of World War III, a dynamic, charismatic political leader from Europe will step into the vacuum and propose an ingenious solution that will result in peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors — a peace that will enable the Jews to rebuild their Temple.
We live in exciting times when we can watch prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes. The events are ominous and overwhelming, but we can stand firm with great hope because we know that God is on His throne and that He is in control.
The events we are currently witnessing point to the imminent return of Yeshua, and when He returns, the world will be flooded with peace and righteousness, and Israel will enjoy the blessings of territorial integrity and peace forevermore (Zechariah 8:1-
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY
git yer groove on!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/israel.html
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Arab Higher Committee for Palestine Rejects Johnston Plan
Arab Summit Decides to Divert Jordan River
Cabinet Approves Emergency Plan to Increase the Production of Desalinated Water (1/30/2011)
Development of Limited Water Resources: Historical and Technological Aspects
Groundwater in Israel
Israel To Build Second Water Desalination Plant
Israel, Jordan Agree to Protect Gulf
Israel Turns Over Gaza Water Processing Facility to Palestinians
Israel and Turkey Sign Landmark Water Accord (8/6/02)
Israel Signs Water Deal With Turkey (3/4/04)
Turkey & Israel Sign Water Deal (1/00)
Israel Water Rights
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Israel's Chronic Water Problem
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Multilateral Working Groups on Water Resources and the Environment Amman, Jordan (June 22, 1995)
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources, Hammamet, Tunisia (May 16, 1996)
Oil-Spill Cooperation
Overview of Middle East Water Resources
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Located on the edge of a desert belt, Israel has always suffered a scarcity of water. Archeological discoveries in the Negev and other parts of the country reveal that local inhabitants thousands of years ago were already concerned with water conservation, as evidenced by a variety of systems, designed to both collect and store rainwater and transfer it from one place to another.
The total annual renewable water resources amount to some 60 billion cubic feet (1.7 billion cu.m.), of which about 75 percent is used for irrigation and the balance for urban and industrial purposes. The country's water sources consist of the Jordan River, Lake Kinneret and a few small river systems. Natural springs and underground water tables, tapped in controlled quantities to prevent depletion and salination, are also utilized. As maximum use has been made of all freshwater sources, ways are being developed to exploit marginal water resources through the recycling of waste water, cloud-seeding and desalination of brackish water.
The National Water Carrier
To overcome regional imbalances in water availability, most of Israel's freshwater sources are joined in an integrated grid. Its central artery, the National Water Carrier, completed in 1964, brings water from the north and central regions, through a network of giant pipes, aqueducts, open canals, reservoirs, tunnels, dams and pumping stations, to the semi-arid south.
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Water
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Agriculture & Water Use — 1997
Arab Higher Committee for Palestine Rejects Johnston Plan
Arab Summit Decides to Divert Jordan River
Cabinet Approves Emergency Plan to Increase the Production of Desalinated Water (1/30/2011)
Development of Limited Water Resources: Historical and Technological Aspects
Groundwater in Israel
Israel To Build Second Water Desalination Plant
Israel, Jordan Agree to Protect Gulf
Israel Turns Over Gaza Water Processing Facility to Palestinians
Israel and Turkey Sign Landmark Water Accord (8/6/02)
Israel Signs Water Deal With Turkey (3/4/04)
Turkey & Israel Sign Water Deal (1/00)
Israel Water Rights
Israel Water Source [map]
Israel's Chronic Water Problem
Israel's Water Supply [map]
Israeli Agro-Technology
Israeli Response To Arab League Plan To Divert Jordan
The Johnston Mission
Joint Israel-Palestinian Call to Protect Water Supply
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources Muscat, Oman (April 17-19, 1994)
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources, Greece (November 9, 1994)
Multilateral Working Groups on Water Resources and the Environment Amman, Jordan (June 22, 1995)
Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources, Hammamet, Tunisia (May 16, 1996)
Oil-Spill Cooperation
Overview of Middle East Water Resources
Rehabilitation of Israel's Rivers
River Water Quality in Israel
Seawater Desalination Projects: The Challenge and the Options to Meet the Water Shortage
Sister Lakes Project
United Nations Security Council Resolution S/3128 (Israel suspends work on River Jordan Project)
Water — Introduction
Watering a Thirsty Planet
The Water Issue in the West Bank and Gaza
Water Map of Israel and the Territories
The Water Resources Working Group
Water — Introduction
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Located on the edge of a desert belt, Israel has always suffered a scarcity of water. Archeological discoveries in the Negev and other parts of the country reveal that local inhabitants thousands of years ago were already concerned with water conservation, as evidenced by a variety of systems, designed to both collect and store rainwater and transfer it from one place to another.
The total annual renewable water resources amount to some 60 billion cubic feet (1.7 billion cu.m.), of which about 75 percent is used for irrigation and the balance for urban and industrial purposes. The country's water sources consist of the Jordan River, Lake Kinneret and a few small river systems. Natural springs and underground water tables, tapped in controlled quantities to prevent depletion and salination, are also utilized. As maximum use has been made of all freshwater sources, ways are being developed to exploit marginal water resources through the recycling of waste water, cloud-seeding and desalination of brackish water.
The National Water Carrier
To overcome regional imbalances in water availability, most of Israel's freshwater sources are joined in an integrated grid. Its central artery, the National Water Carrier, completed in 1964, brings water from the north and central regions, through a network of giant pipes, aqueducts, open canals, reservoirs, tunnels, dams and pumping stations, to the semi-arid south.
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true lilly Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:35 pm
This is NOT a 'typo' of 'tintin's',
that I've highlighted here:
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
__________________________________________________________________
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK has not 'died'.
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was BORN 96 years
AFTER RICHARD WAGNER
32 years, 5 months, 9 days after
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was born,
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK, KILLED...8 + 69 = 77...
or so we are now, officially told...but "tintin" ALWAYS IGNORES
ALL NUMBERS and DATES that DON'T SUIT the CODED ORDERS
HE SENDS AT THE TIME..and, "tintin" CODES 'speak to' different
people, at different 'levels'...the simple messages, to the simple,
'dumb bunnies', 'raised' to be sacrificed, with the computer code,
behind the simple public posts, for those he doesn't want dead, YET.
...and in this post, "TINTIN" IS CALLING "CELLS" of his,
("dumb bunny", bitterly waiting to stop pretending,
that they 'love' the men they 'got in with'), WOmen to KILL...
(full post at link;#29876)
...and I must trust God,
has called those who need to know,
to protect themselves from such WOmen.
that I've highlighted here:
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
__________________________________________________________________
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK has not 'died'.
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was BORN 96 years
AFTER RICHARD WAGNER
32 years, 5 months, 9 days after
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was born,
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK, KILLED...8 + 69 = 77...
or so we are now, officially told...but "tintin" ALWAYS IGNORES
ALL NUMBERS and DATES that DON'T SUIT the CODED ORDERS
HE SENDS AT THE TIME..and, "tintin" CODES 'speak to' different
people, at different 'levels'...the simple messages, to the simple,
'dumb bunnies', 'raised' to be sacrificed, with the computer code,
behind the simple public posts, for those he doesn't want dead, YET.
...and in this post, "TINTIN" IS CALLING "CELLS" of his,
("dumb bunny", bitterly waiting to stop pretending,
that they 'love' the men they 'got in with'), WOmen to KILL...
(full post at link;#29876)
tintin wrote: 30-07-2011, 07:10 PM#29876
Playboy Rabbit Hole
We are in the year of the RABBIT and that's the RABBI link
to ISRAEL and to the RABBIT HOLE and UTOYA is in HOLE municipality.
TRISTAN was the killer in ALPHEN.
Wagner
TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.
Richard Wagner
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
WAGNER died on 13 FEBRUARY 1883 in CA' VENDRAMIN in VENICE.
Ca' Vendramin: Casino
Ca' Vendramin is the CASINO of VENICE.
The CASINO ROYALE link to NORWAY.
...and I must trust God,
has called those who need to know,
to protect themselves from such WOmen.
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MoMo Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:36 am
I spam lilly cuz the Ho won't slap herself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOgFw0nN7o4
Yo lilly, Queen of Bullshit from Runt Australia, come over here and bend over my desk, I want you to meet ol' mister one eye.
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Yo lilly, Queen of Bullshit from Runt Australia, come over here and bend over my desk, I want you to meet ol' mister one eye.
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true lilly Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:43 pm
...mmm...yesss...strange news...
August 6
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2011 – A student is sitting on her couch with a wool sweater and socks in Ankara at 3 a.m.
2011 – A student is sitting on her couch with a wool sweater and socks in Ankara at 3 a.m....
Ankara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara - Cached
Ankara is the capital of Turkey and the country's second largest city
after Istanbul. The city has a mean elevation of 938 metres (3077 ft),
and as of 2010 ...
Images for Ankara
The Guardian
Ankara Outlines New Role of Military
Wall Street Journal - 2 days ago
By
MARC CHAMPION ISTANBUL—
Turkey's government on Wednesday began laying out details of
the civil-military order they want to see, making it clear even ...
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The Underground Cities of Cappadocia
Leaving Ankara and
passing by the muddy shores of Tuz Gölü (Salt Lake), the first sight of
major interest that you will stumble upon the venerable Cappadoccia
(Kapadokya), the mythical "land of the horses." High up on the Anatolian
Plateau, the barren hills of Cappadoccia seem like something more out
of a fantasy novel than a prime tourist destination, but it is one of
Turkey’s more spectacular and visited sights. It is a land full of
mysterious rock formations and underground cities used by medieval
Byzantines as safe havens during times of attack. A land full of UNESCO
Heritage sights, in Cappadoccia, you will undoubtedly delight as you
wend your way through underground castles, admire the ra...Read More
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http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ankara
Turkey foils Al Qaeda plot against U.S. Embassy
in Ankara, uncovers bomb-making chemicals, rifles
BY Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 14th 2011, 4:00 AM
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Ankara must lead the pressure against Damascus
Moammar Gadhafi further helped international consciousness
to be garnered when he threatened publicly to wipe out rebels
in Benghazi and consequently assured a rapid United Nations
Security Council resolution to be passed to legitimize the military...
Full Article at Hurriet Daily News
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 2
"NINNY" alright...the lot of 'them'...
__________________________
Quote: ninny...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2816
rofl. does she have an iPhone in her hand?
___________________________________________________________________
Stanley Melbourne Bruce's Cigarette Case
Stanley Melbourne Bruce was born into a wealthy commercial family,
and was an outstanding athlete at school and later Cambridge University,
where he qualified as a barrister.
He was in England when war was declared in 1914, and enlisted in the
British Army. He was awarded the Military Cross, a high order award for
bravery in battle, at Gallipoli.
He was wounded and returned to Australia in 1917. He entered the
Commonwealth Parliament in 1918, and served as Treasurer,
and then Prime Minister.
He served as Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain between
1933 and 1945.
Until the day he died,
Stanley Melbourne Bruce
kept two photographs in his study –
one of his wife and one of
Turkish President Mustafa Kemal Atatürk,
the founder of the modern Turkish state.
As young men they were enemies at Gallipoli, but during the post-war years
of international reconstruction, they forged a mutual admiration as
passionate advocates of secularism.
After the League of Nations Montreux conference in 1936,
that successfully organised the international passage of warships
through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits of Turkey,
Atatürk presented Bruce
with a gold cigarette case, which
he treasured for the rest of his life.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce (1883 – 1967) was
Prime Minister of Australia from February 1923 to October 1929
Stanley Melbourne Bruce’s cigarette case is held
at the National Archives of Australia in Canberra
http://dl.nfsa.gov.au/module/1174/
Gold cigarette case from the Duke and Duchess of York
Albert,
the Duke of York (later King George VI)
formally opened Parliament
House in Canberra on 9 May 1927.
To mark the occasion, the Duke and
Duchess presented Prime Minister Bruce
with a gold cigarette case
featuring a diamond monogram ‘EA’ –
Elizabeth and Albert.
(Photographer: Angus Kendon)......
BUT... HE KEPT Atatürk's
as his Life Long Treasure...
...but 'they' have ALWAYS IGNORED THESE REAL CONNECTIONS
BETWEEN REAL WORLD CHANGERS...even though 'they' could play
'their' MISLEADING GAME of TWISTING WORDS & MEANINGS,
that 'just happens' to tie in with 'their',
BACARDI/BAT/BATMAN/JOKER 'links' in those posts...
i.e. BRUCE (Wayne)=MELBOURNE=BATMAN...
John Batman (21 January 1801 – 6 May 1839)...When he found the current site of central Melbourne
he noted in his diary,
"This will be the place for a village."[1][2]
and declared the land "Batmania"...
was an Australian grazier, businessman and explorer
who is best known for his role in the founding of a settlement
which became Melbourne and the colony of Victoria.
1880s Artist impression of
Batman's Treaty being signed
His parents, William and Mary Batman,
came to Sydney in 1797 aboard the Ganges.
John was born in 1801 at Rosehill, Parramatta
(now a suburb of Sydney).
In 1821 John and brother Henry journeyed to
Van Diemen's Land (now known as Tasmania)
to settle on land in the north-east near Ben Lomond
LOTS here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman
Bust of Stanley Bruce
by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the
Prime Minister's Avenue
in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens.
Maritime Industries crisis
Prime Minister Bruce holding a meeting with
Prime Minister-elect Scullin a day before Scullin's swearing in.
...An independent liberal candidate's preferences flowed mostly to
Holloway, thus making Bruce the first sitting Prime Minister to lose his
seat. The only other sitting Australian prime minister to be defeated
in his own electorate is John Howard, at the 2007 election.
Bruce divided the rest of his life between London and Melbourne.
He remained Australian High Commissioner until 1945;
subsequently he represented Australia on various UN bodies,
and his name was considered for the position of
United Nations Secretary-General.
He was the chairman of the World Food Council for five years.
Bruce was appointed as the first Chancellor of the Australian National University
and served from 1951 until 1961.
...funny to, that WIKI's "RANDOM" articles, brought me here last night:
Fisken was born at Ballarat, Victoria,
to grazier Archibald James Fisken and Beatrice Mary, née Wanliss.
He attended E.N. Maryatt's Church of England Grammar School for Boys,
Ballarat College and Geelong Church of England Grammar School
before his 1916 commission in the Royal Field Artillery.
He served on the Western Front from 1916 to 1918;
in 1918 he was awarded the Military Cross and promoted to lieutenant,
although he was also wounded.
Returning from the war,
Fisken maintained the family property
(Lal Lal, in the family since 1846)
at Yendon.
He was elected to the Buninyong Shire Council in 1922
and remained a councillor until his death,
being president 1931-32, 1946-47, 1957-58 and 1966-67.
He was prominent in the community, both as a sportsman and as a pastoralist.
He married Elspeth Anne Cameron on 20 February 1924 at Ross, Tasmania.
Fisken retired from parliament in 1937, stating that
he wished to focus on his appointment as
chairman of the Australian Meat Board.
His grandson is
Liberal Senator Michael Ronaldson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Fisken
...and sorry, 'they' have REMOVED KEY Images again, but these,
from 2008 & 2009, are examples of what
REAL, CURRENT CONNECTIONS, IN THE REAL WORLD,
'they' have and continue to ignore...
while PROMOTING 'themselves' "AS GODS"...
Quote:
cori
Will your awkward obsession with me ever stop, Jealousily?
____________________________________________________
Will you ever stop believing
"YOU" ARE The "CORE" of ALL Things GERMANIC
and CONTROL THE WHOLE WORLD and
ALL LANGUAGES...I'm posting about what NONE
of "Your Team" DARE post and
ALWAYS FLOOD OVER when I DO...
The DIRECT, ACTUAL Connection between
KRAFT, VEGEMITE, WAR, BALLARAT and MY HOME
in YENDON, ex East BUNINYONG=CANAAN,
as REVEALED through GOD'S Word and
THE OLDEST LANGUAGES of Australian Natives,
the Oldest Peoples who's History of CREATION
FITS GENESIS.
yes, that's right, reminding folk of yet more
FUTURE NEWS, it HELPS People to KNOW in Advance,
what "you"/"they" BURY, under more CODED MESSAGES
TO "Lone Nutters" to go out on SLAUGHTER Sprees.
August 6From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2011 – A student is sitting on her couch with a wool sweater and socks in Ankara at 3 a.m.
2011 – A student is sitting on her couch with a wool sweater and socks in Ankara at 3 a.m....Ankara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara - Cached
Ankara is the capital of Turkey and the country's second largest city
after Istanbul. The city has a mean elevation of 938 metres (3077 ft),
and as of 2010 ...
Images for Ankara
imgankara4.jpg
swotti.com
500 × 361 - Swotti - Versus Ankara
The Guardian
Ankara Outlines New Role of Military
Wall Street Journal - 2 days ago
By
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Turkey's government on Wednesday began laying out details of
the civil-military order they want to see, making it clear even ...
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Ankara - Cappadocia - Tarsus Adana -
The Underground Cities of Cappadocia
Leaving Ankara and
passing by the muddy shores of Tuz Gölü (Salt Lake), the first sight of
major interest that you will stumble upon the venerable Cappadoccia
(Kapadokya), the mythical "land of the horses." High up on the Anatolian
Plateau, the barren hills of Cappadoccia seem like something more out
of a fantasy novel than a prime tourist destination, but it is one of
Turkey’s more spectacular and visited sights. It is a land full of
mysterious rock formations and underground cities used by medieval
Byzantines as safe havens during times of attack. A land full of UNESCO
Heritage sights, in Cappadoccia, you will undoubtedly delight as you
wend your way through underground castles, admire the ra...Read More
Topics:
Ankara
http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ankara
Turkey foils Al Qaeda plot against U.S. Embassy
in Ankara, uncovers bomb-making chemicals, rifles
BY Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 14th 2011, 4:00 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/14/2011-07-14_turkey_foils_qaeda_plot_against_us_embassy.html#ixzz1UDRWuphK
Ankara must lead the pressure against Damascus
Moammar Gadhafi further helped international consciousness
to be garnered when he threatened publicly to wipe out rebels
in Benghazi and consequently assured a rapid United Nations
Security Council resolution to be passed to legitimize the military...
Full Article at Hurriet Daily News
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 2
"NINNY" alright...the lot of 'them'...
__________________________
Quote: ninny...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2816
Originally Posted by tintinTHANKSGIVING means TURKEYS. |
___________________________________________________________________
Stanley Melbourne Bruce's Cigarette Case
Stanley Melbourne Bruce was born into a wealthy commercial family,
and was an outstanding athlete at school and later Cambridge University,
where he qualified as a barrister.
He was in England when war was declared in 1914, and enlisted in the
British Army. He was awarded the Military Cross, a high order award for
bravery in battle, at Gallipoli.
He was wounded and returned to Australia in 1917. He entered the
Commonwealth Parliament in 1918, and served as Treasurer,
and then Prime Minister.
He served as Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain between
1933 and 1945.
Until the day he died,
Stanley Melbourne Bruce
kept two photographs in his study –
one of his wife and one of
Turkish President Mustafa Kemal Atatürk,
the founder of the modern Turkish state.
As young men they were enemies at Gallipoli, but during the post-war years
of international reconstruction, they forged a mutual admiration as
passionate advocates of secularism.
After the League of Nations Montreux conference in 1936,
that successfully organised the international passage of warships
through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits of Turkey,
Atatürk presented Bruce
with a gold cigarette case, which
he treasured for the rest of his life.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce (1883 – 1967) was
Prime Minister of Australia from February 1923 to October 1929
Stanley Melbourne Bruce’s cigarette case is held
at the National Archives of Australia in Canberra
http://dl.nfsa.gov.au/module/1174/
Gold cigarette case from the Duke and Duchess of York
Albert,
the Duke of York (later King George VI)
formally opened Parliament
House in Canberra on 9 May 1927.
To mark the occasion, the Duke and
Duchess presented Prime Minister Bruce
with a gold cigarette case
featuring a diamond monogram ‘EA’ –
Elizabeth and Albert.
(Photographer: Angus Kendon)......
BUT... HE KEPT Atatürk's
as his Life Long Treasure...
...but 'they' have ALWAYS IGNORED THESE REAL CONNECTIONS
BETWEEN REAL WORLD CHANGERS...even though 'they' could play
'their' MISLEADING GAME of TWISTING WORDS & MEANINGS,
that 'just happens' to tie in with 'their',
BACARDI/BAT/BATMAN/JOKER 'links' in those posts...
i.e. BRUCE (Wayne)=MELBOURNE=BATMAN...
John Batman (21 January 1801 – 6 May 1839)...When he found the current site of central Melbourne
he noted in his diary,
"This will be the place for a village."[1][2]
and declared the land "Batmania"...
was an Australian grazier, businessman and explorer
who is best known for his role in the founding of a settlement
which became Melbourne and the colony of Victoria.
1880s Artist impression of Batman's Treaty being signed
His parents, William and Mary Batman,
came to Sydney in 1797 aboard the Ganges.
John was born in 1801 at Rosehill, Parramatta
(now a suburb of Sydney).
In 1821 John and brother Henry journeyed to
Van Diemen's Land (now known as Tasmania)
to settle on land in the north-east near Ben Lomond
LOTS here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman
Bust of Stanley Bruce
by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the
Prime Minister's Avenue
in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens.
Maritime Industries crisis
Prime Minister Bruce holding a meeting with
Prime Minister-elect Scullin a day before Scullin's swearing in.
...An independent liberal candidate's preferences flowed mostly to
Holloway, thus making Bruce the first sitting Prime Minister to lose his
seat. The only other sitting Australian prime minister to be defeated
in his own electorate is John Howard, at the 2007 election.
Bruce divided the rest of his life between London and Melbourne.
He remained Australian High Commissioner until 1945;
subsequently he represented Australia on various UN bodies,
and his name was considered for the position of
United Nations Secretary-General.
He was the chairman of the World Food Council for five years.
Bruce was appointed as the first Chancellor of the Australian National University
and served from 1951 until 1961.
...funny to, that WIKI's "RANDOM" articles, brought me here last night:
| Archibald Fisken CMG OBE | |
 | |
Member of the Australian Parliament for Ballaarat |
to grazier Archibald James Fisken and Beatrice Mary, née Wanliss.
He attended E.N. Maryatt's Church of England Grammar School for Boys,
Ballarat College and Geelong Church of England Grammar School
before his 1916 commission in the Royal Field Artillery.
He served on the Western Front from 1916 to 1918;
in 1918 he was awarded the Military Cross and promoted to lieutenant,
although he was also wounded.
Returning from the war,
Fisken maintained the family property
(Lal Lal, in the family since 1846)
at Yendon.
He was elected to the Buninyong Shire Council in 1922
and remained a councillor until his death,
being president 1931-32, 1946-47, 1957-58 and 1966-67.
He was prominent in the community, both as a sportsman and as a pastoralist.
He married Elspeth Anne Cameron on 20 February 1924 at Ross, Tasmania.
Fisken retired from parliament in 1937, stating that
he wished to focus on his appointment as
chairman of the Australian Meat Board.
His grandson is
Liberal Senator Michael Ronaldson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Fisken
...and sorry, 'they' have REMOVED KEY Images again, but these,
from 2008 & 2009, are examples of what
REAL, CURRENT CONNECTIONS, IN THE REAL WORLD,
'they' have and continue to ignore...
while PROMOTING 'themselves' "AS GODS"...
Quote:
cori
| Yep, those 'KRAFTY KRAUTS' invent an excuse to make a FALSE 'Israel', with their JEW SLAUGHTER, then jump on the RAT LINE to CONTINUE Their EVILS PROMOTING America as 'The Land', while quietly continuing to TAKE OVER THE REAL ZION, by Stealth... Kraft consumes Cadbury as Brown warns no UK job cuts 19/01 20:00 CET Food http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/19/k...o-uk-job-cuts/ ...oh, and also ask yourselves WHY, after years of highlighting the SMART INVESTMENTS that 'experts' advise AGAINST, that cori could NEVER acknowledge my posts, other than to spit vile, hate filled, bitter, BALD FACED LIES about my character, AND ASK FOR ME TO BE BEATEN, AGAIN...IF, "cori" does want The, TRUE FUTURE NEWS, 'Out There'... http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...p?p=1058301387 |
____________________________________________________
Will you ever stop believing
"YOU" ARE The "CORE" of ALL Things GERMANIC
and CONTROL THE WHOLE WORLD and
ALL LANGUAGES...I'm posting about what NONE
of "Your Team" DARE post and
ALWAYS FLOOD OVER when I DO...
The DIRECT, ACTUAL Connection between
KRAFT, VEGEMITE, WAR, BALLARAT and MY HOME
in YENDON, ex East BUNINYONG=CANAAN,
as REVEALED through GOD'S Word and
THE OLDEST LANGUAGES of Australian Natives,
the Oldest Peoples who's History of CREATION
FITS GENESIS.
yes, that's right, reminding folk of yet more
FUTURE NEWS, it HELPS People to KNOW in Advance,
what "you"/"they" BURY, under more CODED MESSAGES
TO "Lone Nutters" to go out on SLAUGHTER Sprees.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:25 pm
true lilly wrote:
09-12-2009, 12:39 PM #1069
Quote:
AND EVEN MORE on this page, again, fobbed off as meaningless
Originally Posted by vera susa
An OWL down at
The EUREKA POOL/EUREKA CENTRE Park...
sorry, my google earth won't work...
but it does remind me of an EVIL thought I had
during my HARASSMENT last night...
TATTOOS are Coded Language to...
remember how NAZIS made Lamp Shades
out of HUMAN TATTOOED SKINS...
Ilse Koch
The Bitch of Buchenwald
[loose translation of camp-era nickname
"Hexe"=witch,
used by English press during trial]
This is a picture of a lampshade ...
The drawing is a tattoo that was on the man's chest.
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...women/ilse.htm
imagine if BABY FUCKERS/TRADERS
were NOT ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE ANY MORE....
evil owl tattoo
Bam's tatt of his google eyed, mumbling,
convicted pedophile uncle Don Vito...
http://forum.tattootattoo.info/index...opic,20.0.html
OUT! OUT! DAMN SPOT...
before you're spotted
and it's too late to turn around
by the popular and powerful...and YOU NOW what MEANS!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...1956&page=1698
BTW, 'spot' didn't get out in time...
stayed and stole even more from me,
and now is being 'eaten alive' by the
WITCHES HE GROVELS TO IN FEAR...
BACK IN BLACK...
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:37 pm
Is it just me, or is there a bit of
An OWL down at
The EUREKA POOL/EUREKA CENTRE Park...
EAHN Office
c/o RMIT TU Delft
P.O. box 5043
2600 GA Delft
The Netherlands
office at eahn dot org
true lilly wrote:true lilly wrote:
09-12-2009, 12:39 PM #1069
Quote:
AND EVEN MORE on this page, again, fobbed off as meaningless
Originally Posted by vera susa
An OWL down at
The EUREKA POOL/EUREKA CENTRE Park...
sorry, my google earth won't work...
but it does remind me of an EVIL thought I had
during my HARASSMENT last night...
TATTOOS are Coded Language to...
remember how NAZIS made Lamp Shades
out of HUMAN TATTOOED SKINS...
Ilse Koch
The Bitch of Buchenwald
[loose translation of camp-era nickname
"Hexe"=witch,
used by English press during trial]
This is a picture of a lampshade ...
The drawing is a tattoo that was on the man's chest.
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...women/ilse.htm
imagine if BABY FUCKERS/TRADERS
were NOT ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE ANY MORE....
evil owl tattoo
Bam's tatt of his google eyed, mumbling,
convicted pedophile uncle Don Vito...
http://forum.tattootattoo.info/index...opic,20.0.html
OUT! OUT! DAMN SPOT...
before you're spotted
and it's too late to turn around
by the popular and powerful...and YOU NOW what MEANS!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...1956&page=1698
BTW, 'spot' didn't get out in time...
stayed and stole even more from me,
and now is being 'eaten alive' by the
WITCHES HE GROVELS TO IN FEAR...
BACK IN BLACK...
true lilly- Posts : 6205
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:45 am
true lilly wrote:...mmm...yesss...strange news...
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2011 – A student is sitting on her couch with a wool sweater and socks in Ankara at 3 a.m.
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after Istanbul. The city has a mean elevation of 938 metres (3077 ft),
and as of 2010 ...
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Ankara Outlines New Role of Military
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Turkey's government on Wednesday began laying out details of
the civil-military order they want to see, making it clear even ...
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Ankara - Cappadocia - Tarsus Adana -
The Underground Cities of Cappadocia
Leaving Ankara and
passing by the muddy shores of Tuz Gölü (Salt Lake), the first sight of
major interest that you will stumble upon the venerable Cappadoccia
(Kapadokya), the mythical "land of the horses." High up on the Anatolian
Plateau, the barren hills of Cappadoccia seem like something more out
of a fantasy novel than a prime tourist destination, but it is one of
Turkey’s more spectacular and visited sights. It is a land full of
mysterious rock formations and underground cities used by medieval
Byzantines as safe havens during times of attack. A land full of UNESCO
Heritage sights, in Cappadoccia, you will undoubtedly delight as you
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Topics:
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http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ankara
Turkey foils Al Qaeda plot against U.S. Embassy
in Ankara, uncovers bomb-making chemicals, rifles
BY Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 14th 2011, 4:00 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/14/2011-07-14_turkey_foils_qaeda_plot_against_us_embassy.html#ixzz1UDRWuphK
Ankara must lead the pressure against Damascus
Moammar Gadhafi further helped international consciousness
to be garnered when he threatened publicly to wipe out rebels
in Benghazi and consequently assured a rapid United Nations
Security Council resolution to be passed to legitimize the military...
Full Article at Hurriet Daily News
David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 2
"NINNY" alright...the lot of 'them'...
__________________________
Quote: ninny...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2816
rofl. does she have an iPhone in her hand?
Originally Posted by tintin
___________________________________________________________________
Stanley Melbourne Bruce's Cigarette Case
Stanley Melbourne Bruce was born into a wealthy commercial family,
and was an outstanding athlete at school and later Cambridge University,
where he qualified as a barrister.
He was in England when war was declared in 1914, and enlisted in the
British Army. He was awarded the Military Cross, a high order award for
bravery in battle, at Gallipoli.
He was wounded and returned to Australia in 1917. He entered the
Commonwealth Parliament in 1918, and served as Treasurer,
and then Prime Minister.
He served as Australia’s High Commissioner to Britain between
1933 and 1945.
Until the day he died,
Stanley Melbourne Bruce
kept two photographs in his study –
one of his wife and one of
Turkish President Mustafa Kemal Atatürk,
the founder of the modern Turkish state.
As young men they were enemies at Gallipoli, but during the post-war years
of international reconstruction, they forged a mutual admiration as
passionate advocates of secularism.
After the League of Nations Montreux conference in 1936,
that successfully organised the international passage of warships
through the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits of Turkey,
Atatürk presented Bruce
with a gold cigarette case, which
he treasured for the rest of his life.
Stanley Melbourne Bruce (1883 – 1967) was
Prime Minister of Australia from February 1923 to October 1929
Stanley Melbourne Bruce’s cigarette case is held
at the National Archives of Australia in Canberra
http://dl.nfsa.gov.au/module/1174/
Gold cigarette case from the Duke and Duchess of York
Albert,
the Duke of York (later King George VI)
formally opened Parliament
House in Canberra on 9 May 1927.
To mark the occasion, the Duke and
Duchess presented Prime Minister Bruce
with a gold cigarette case
featuring a diamond monogram ‘EA’ –
Elizabeth and Albert.
(Photographer: Angus Kendon)......
BUT... HE KEPT Atatürk's
as his Life Long Treasure...
...but 'they' have ALWAYS IGNORED THESE REAL CONNECTIONS
BETWEEN REAL WORLD CHANGERS...even though 'they' could play
'their' MISLEADING GAME of TWISTING WORDS & MEANINGS,
that 'just happens' to tie in with 'their',
BACARDI/BAT/BATMAN/JOKER 'links' in those posts...
i.e. BRUCE (Wayne)=MELBOURNE=BATMAN...
John Batman (21 January 1801 – 6 May 1839)...When he found the current site of central Melbourne
he noted in his diary,
"This will be the place for a village."[1][2]
and declared the land "Batmania"...
was an Australian grazier, businessman and explorer
who is best known for his role in the founding of a settlement
which became Melbourne and the colony of Victoria.
His parents, William and Mary Batman,
came to Sydney in 1797 aboard the Ganges.
John was born in 1801 at Rosehill, Parramatta
(now a suburb of Sydney).
In 1821 John and brother Henry journeyed to
Van Diemen's Land (now known as Tasmania)
to settle on land in the north-east near Ben Lomond
LOTS here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman
Bust of Stanley Bruce
by sculptor Wallace Anderson
located in the
Prime Minister's Avenue
in the Ballarat Botanical Gardens.
Maritime Industries crisis
Prime Minister Bruce holding a meeting with
Prime Minister-elect Scullin a day before Scullin's swearing in.
...An independent liberal candidate's preferences flowed mostly to
Holloway, thus making Bruce the first sitting Prime Minister to lose his
seat. The only other sitting Australian prime minister to be defeated
in his own electorate is John Howard, at the 2007 election.
Bruce divided the rest of his life between London and Melbourne.
He remained Australian High Commissioner until 1945;
subsequently he represented Australia on various UN bodies,
and his name was considered for the position of
United Nations Secretary-General.
He was the chairman of the World Food Council for five years.
Bruce was appointed as the first Chancellor of the Australian National University
and served from 1951 until 1961.
...funny to, that WIKI's "RANDOM" articles, brought me here last night:Fisken was born at Ballarat, Victoria,
Archibald Fisken CMG
OBE
Member of the Australian Parliament
for Ballaarat
to grazier Archibald James Fisken and Beatrice Mary, née Wanliss.
He attended E.N. Maryatt's Church of England Grammar School for Boys,
Ballarat College and Geelong Church of England Grammar School
before his 1916 commission in the Royal Field Artillery.
He served on the Western Front from 1916 to 1918;
in 1918 he was awarded the Military Cross and promoted to lieutenant,
although he was also wounded.
Returning from the war,
Fisken maintained the family property
(Lal Lal, in the family since 1846)
at Yendon.
He was elected to the Buninyong Shire Council in 1922
and remained a councillor until his death,
being president 1931-32, 1946-47, 1957-58 and 1966-67.
He was prominent in the community, both as a sportsman and as a pastoralist.
He married Elspeth Anne Cameron on 20 February 1924 at Ross, Tasmania.
Fisken retired from parliament in 1937, stating that
he wished to focus on his appointment as
chairman of the Australian Meat Board.
His grandson is
Liberal Senator Michael Ronaldson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Fisken
...and sorry, 'they' have REMOVED KEY Images again, but these,
from 2008 & 2009, are examples of what
REAL, CURRENT CONNECTIONS, IN THE REAL WORLD,
'they' have and continue to ignore...
while PROMOTING 'themselves' "AS GODS"...
Quote:
cori
Will your awkward obsession with me ever stop, Jealousily?
Yep, those 'KRAFTY KRAUTS'
invent an excuse to make a FALSE 'Israel',
with their JEW SLAUGHTER,
then jump on the RAT LINE to CONTINUE Their EVILS
PROMOTING America as 'The Land',
while quietly continuing to TAKE OVER THE REAL ZION,
by Stealth...
Kraft consumes Cadbury
as Brown warns no
UK job cuts
19/01 20:00 CET
Food
http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/19/k...o-uk-job-cuts/
...oh, and also ask yourselves WHY, after years of
highlighting the SMART INVESTMENTS that 'experts'
advise AGAINST, that cori could NEVER acknowledge
my posts, other than to spit vile, hate filled, bitter,
BALD FACED LIES about my character, AND ASK FOR
ME TO BE BEATEN, AGAIN...IF, "cori" does want The,
TRUE FUTURE NEWS, 'Out There'...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...p?p=1058301387
____________________________________________________
Will you ever stop believing
"YOU" ARE The "CORE" of ALL Things GERMANIC
and CONTROL THE WHOLE WORLD and
ALL LANGUAGES...I'm posting about what NONE
of "Your Team" DARE post and
ALWAYS FLOOD OVER when I DO...
The DIRECT, ACTUAL Connection between
KRAFT, VEGEMITE, WAR, BALLARAT and MY HOME
in YENDON, ex East BUNINYONG=CANAAN,
as REVEALED through GOD'S Word and
THE OLDEST LANGUAGES of Australian Natives,
the Oldest Peoples who's History of CREATION
FITS GENESIS.
yes, that's right, reminding folk of yet more
FUTURE NEWS, it HELPS People to KNOW in Advance,
what "you"/"they" BURY, under more CODED MESSAGES
TO "Lone Nutters" to go out on SLAUGHTER Sprees.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:07 am
WHY DID YOU REMOVE THE POST ON
"TINTIN'S" BALLARAT TRAVELS?
EVERYONE KNOWS
"TINTIN" SPENT 3 WEEKS IN MY HOUSE,
DOING DAY TRIPS, EVERYDAY.2003 IRAN Bam earthquake
Date December 26, 2003
Bam in September 2003,
three months before the earthquake.
Before and after pictures
of the Bam Citadel
Before
(removed)
After
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake
People across Asia paused today
to remember the day five years ago*
when an undersea earthquake
unleashed a devastating wave
that killed more than 220,000 peopleLast edited by vera susa; 26-12-2009 at 08:17 AM.*
‘Earth on the edge’ – Melbourne 2011
Thousands of scientists will meet
in Melbourne in 2011
to discuss issues affecting our oceans,
climate, water and earth. (CSIRO)
A major conference to be held in Melbourne in 2011
will focus the world’s attention on the broad issues
of a sustainable planet.
http://www.csiro.au/news/Earth-on-the-edge-2011.html
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=86338&page=137
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Ballarat
Australia
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TURKEY...
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BALLARAT...
BALLARAT VICTORIA
MELBOURNE VICTORIA
Eastern evening
Eureka!
Eureka! Gold
Swarm
Queen Bee
Eureka Tower, Melbourne
Shrine of Remembrance
Melbourne, from Eureka Skydeck
Arts Precinct, Melbourne
Government House, Melbourne
Long Shadows
Eureka Centre, Ballarat
Eureka Centre, Ballarat
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ENGLAND"S BIG PICTURE:
BBC...
Competitors in traditional costume
take part in the carriage driving event at
the Royal Windsor Horse Show in Windsor.
TRADITIONAL...
An engraving from 1740
showing a
leopard-spotted horse
belonging to
the Holy Roman Emperor.
Preparing for
Riderless Horse Ceremony
October, 1996,
Fort Walsh,
Canada
PROTESTANT
Prince of WALES...
...on Chief JOSEPH Horse.
Last edited by vera susa; 11-05-2008 at 04:06 PM.
WHY DID YOU REMOVE THE POST ON
"TINTIN'S" BALLARAT TRAVELS?
EVERYONE KNOWS
"TINTIN" SPENT 3 WEEKS IN MY HOUSE,
DOING DAY TRIPS, EVERYDAY.
"TINTIN'S" BALLARAT TRAVELS?
EVERYONE KNOWS
"TINTIN" SPENT 3 WEEKS IN MY HOUSE,
DOING DAY TRIPS, EVERYDAY.2003 IRAN Bam earthquake
Date December 26, 2003
Bam in September 2003,
three months before the earthquake.
Before and after pictures
of the Bam Citadel
Before
(removed)
After
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake
People across Asia paused today
to remember the day five years ago*
when an undersea earthquake
unleashed a devastating wave
that killed more than 220,000 peopleLast edited by vera susa; 26-12-2009 at 08:17 AM.*
‘Earth on the edge’ – Melbourne 2011
Thousands of scientists will meet
in Melbourne in 2011
to discuss issues affecting our oceans,
climate, water and earth. (CSIRO)
A major conference to be held in Melbourne in 2011
will focus the world’s attention on the broad issues
of a sustainable planet.
http://www.csiro.au/news/Earth-on-the-edge-2011.html
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=86338&page=137
Eureka Street
Ballarat
Australia
3350
...BALLARAT
TURKEY...
...TURKEY
BALLARAT...
BALLARAT VICTORIA
MELBOURNE VICTORIA
Eastern evening
Eureka!
Eureka! Gold
Swarm
Queen Bee
Eureka Tower, Melbourne
Shrine of Remembrance
Melbourne, from Eureka Skydeck
Arts Precinct, Melbourne
Government House, Melbourne
Long Shadows
Eureka Centre, Ballarat
Eureka Centre, Ballarat
http://flickriver.com/photos/adonline/tags/eureka/
We love Tintin,
Snowy and all their friends !
We are very excited to bring the official Tintin
merchandise to Australia for the first time.
We also have the entire range of Tintin
books in French and Dutch -
something that has never been
available before in Australia !
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11-05-2008, 03:33 PM#4789
It's a Cinderella story.
To whom belong these shoes?
They belong to these
young kids who have a long
FUTURE in front of them.
Cinderella and the.....
The GOLDEN road
to AUSTRALIA
Jenna Bush and Hager
in Crawford Texas.
CINDERELLA Crawford
Cinderella's mother was
Jennifer WALKER
On the SHOE page Cinderella
and Wizard of OZ are
mentioned next to each
other....
Third one (out of three) is the RED SHOES by Hans
Christian Anderson.
Princess Mary Donaldson is
H.C. Anderson Ambassador to
Australia. Three Books on
the shoe page. Cinderella, Wiz
of Oz and the Red Shoes.
H.C. Anderson, Mary Donaldson
and a Suri Cruise with
A RED SHOE
And Tom from Syracuse. And it
was in SYRACRUISE
that Archimedes shouted
EUREKA!!
EUREKA Ballarat
AUSTRALIA
:http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=356052
ENGLAND"S BIG PICTURE:
BBC...
Competitors in traditional costume
take part in the carriage driving event at
the Royal Windsor Horse Show in Windsor.
TRADITIONAL...
An engraving from 1740
showing a
leopard-spotted horse
belonging to
the Holy Roman Emperor.
Preparing for
Riderless Horse Ceremony
October, 1996,
Fort Walsh,
Canada
PROTESTANT
Prince of WALES...
...on Chief JOSEPH Horse.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
MoMo Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:23 am
maybe you never Posted it.
Maybe sod is tinnytintin.
I was going to teach you how to Post so that you wouldn't loose Data but you are too dishonest and you are using my beloved Darpanet in a deceitful manner.
When I first created the Darpanet all that Posted on it were scientists, Engineers, Historians, credentialed Scholars and they were all honest.
You, on the other hand, are a deceiver. You, like tinnytintin, misuse this wonderful technology to sow fear and confusion.
John 8
41“You do the works of your father.” Then they said to Him, “We were not born of whoring, we have one Father: Elohim.”
42 Yahshua/Jesus said to them, “If Elohim were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from Elohim, and am here. For I have not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43“Why do you not know what I say? Because you are unable to hear My Word.
44“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you wish to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45“And because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.
46“Who of you proves Me wrong con- cerning sin? And if I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47“He who is of Elohim hears the Words of Elohim, therefore you do not hear because you are not of Elohim.”
So What Exactly is an Elohim?
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/What%20is%20an%20Elohim.pdf
Maybe sod is tinnytintin.
I was going to teach you how to Post so that you wouldn't loose Data but you are too dishonest and you are using my beloved Darpanet in a deceitful manner.
When I first created the Darpanet all that Posted on it were scientists, Engineers, Historians, credentialed Scholars and they were all honest.
You, on the other hand, are a deceiver. You, like tinnytintin, misuse this wonderful technology to sow fear and confusion.
John 8
41“You do the works of your father.” Then they said to Him, “We were not born of whoring, we have one Father: Elohim.”
42 Yahshua/Jesus said to them, “If Elohim were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from Elohim, and am here. For I have not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43“Why do you not know what I say? Because you are unable to hear My Word.
44“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you wish to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45“And because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.
46“Who of you proves Me wrong con- cerning sin? And if I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47“He who is of Elohim hears the Words of Elohim, therefore you do not hear because you are not of Elohim.”
So What Exactly is an Elohim?
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/What%20is%20an%20Elohim.pdf
I related how certain members
of the divine council are explicitly called gods in the inspired text, but that these gods
were inferior to Yahweh, the God of Israel, and His unique co-ruler, the Son.
I know how difficult it was for me to understand that some cherished notions about the
word G-O-D were actually misconceptions. One was an idea dealt with in the last
chapter, that the false gods of the Bible were only idols. Another notion that didn’t
conform to the reality of the text was that the word G-O-D is only a name, not just an
“ordinary” noun. Because I thought G-O-D was exclusively the name of a personal
being, and a unique being at that, I tended to assign the attributes of that being, Yahweh
of Israel, to the three letters G-O-D. When I came to realize that there were other G-OD-
S in a heavenly council, it seemed (and that’s an important word) as though Yahweh
was just one among equals. That bothered me........................In the last chapter I explained why this concern was imaginary. Yahweh is inherently
distinct and superior to all other gods. Yahweh is an elohim (a god), but no other
elohim (gods) are Yahweh. I’m not assuming that the last chapter answered all your
questions about the divine council, though. I’m betting that many of you are like I was
after first discovering what the inspired text really says—what the ancient worldview of
Israel really assumed. You still may be stuck on the idea that there can only be one
elohim since Yahweh is called elohim in so many places in the Bible. And if that’s not
true, you might be asking, then what is an elohim? Even further, you might doubt that
Yahweh can be part of the class of elohim and still be “species unique” as I described in
the last chapter. That’s what we’re going to address here.
The second doubt is easily handled. On one level, it is no problem for Yahweh to share
attributes with inferior creatures he has created. After all, he does that with respect to
us. We mirror the creator in what theologians have often called “communicable”
attributes. Examples would be love, mercy, intelligence, and so forth. Those attributes
Yahweh alone possesses are often termed “incommunicable” attributes. Examples
would be omnipotence, self-existence, and omniscience. By definition only one being
can be all powerful (omnipotent). If that being’s power is matched by another, then he
wouldn’t truly be supreme in power. As the High God shares attributes with us as his
creatures, so lesser elohim may share some of his qualities.
The former concern is probably the one that most readers find more tricky: How can
Yahweh can be part of the class of elohim and still be “species unique”? Answering
this question is actually not difficult, but it requires two adjustments in your thinking:
(1) that elohim as a term does not speak of a range of attributes with which we would
only associate Yahweh; and (2) that the term refers only to a being’s proper plane of
existence. The second consideration is crucial, in that it is the key to sorting out how
various beings can be described as elohim and yet only one Yahweh exists.
I don’t have to tell you that sorting out this issue is important so as to coherently
distinguish Yahweh from the other elohim. But I’ve been holding back another reason
why it’s important. It may surprise you, but there are other beings in the Old Testament
that are called elohim besides Yahweh and the gods of the divine council. Demons and
the spirits of the human dead are also called elohim in the Hebrew text! Angels may
also be called elohim, depending on how one takes a text or two. If we don’t come to
grips with just what an elohim is, it can create a lot of confusion. We can’t very well
have God, the gods, demons, angels, and the spirits of dead people all interchangeable
with respect to their attributes! That just makes no sense—and highlights why
understanding the term elohim as denoting a certain plane of existence is so critical to
getting the Bible’s worldview and its theology right.
With Chapter 3 fresh in your mind, you’re familiar with the other plural elohim of
Yahweh’s council. No need to repeat that. So let’s move on to the other entities who
are referred to as elohim. In Deuteronomy 32, Moses is rehearsing how Israel sinned
during their wilderness trek by worshipping other gods. When we get to verse 17 we
read this statement (note the underlining): “They sacrificed to demons, not God,i to
gods (elohim) they had never known, new gods (lit., new ones) that had come along
recently, whom your fathers had not feared.” The important observation is that the
Israelites sacrificed to demons, and those recipients of the sacrifices are also called gods
(elohim).
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
MoMo Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:27 am
http://www.vbm-torah.org/
http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
50b: Sleeping Beauty, part 2
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51a: The Land of Israel
The Paradox
http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
50b: Sleeping Beauty, part 2
In Bereshit we read of the significant encounter between Avraham and Malkitzedek, king of Shalem. According to the biblical commentator Moshe David Cassuto, the Torah intends to convey "that Jerusalem was a holy city. [This was] an eternal holiness, extending since time immemorial, and even when it was populated by idol worshippers, who were accustomed to worshipping many gods, its inhabitants could not but worship their highest God," who is essentially identical to the one God of Scriptural monotheism.
Rashi gleans something else from this encounter. Our rights to the land are not the result of a divine promise accompanied by military conquest. Our Sages emphasized our "historical rights" to the land. Rashi describes how the children of Shem lived in the Land according to the original division among the sons of Noach, and how "the Canaanites were conquering the land of Israel from the children of Shem." On the background of this unjust conquest, which destroyed the original harmony between the peoples of the world, Avraham, a descendent of Shem, appears upon the stage of history. He meets with one of the last Shemite kings of Jerusalem, before they were destroyed by the Jebusites. This was Malkitzedek king of Shalem (Bereshit 14:18-20): "And Malkitzedek king of Shalem brought out bread and wine, and he was a priest of the highest God. And he blessed him and said, blessed is Avraham of the highest God, ruler of heaven and earth." In this encounter, the last remaining Shemite monotheistic priest meets Avraham and prophesies, "[God] will someday return [Jerusalem] to your children, who are the descendants of Shem" (Rashi, on Bereshit 12:6).
The Rambam teaches an additional unique aspect of Jerusalem. In his "Guide For The Perplexed" [3,45] he suggests that Jerusalem is referred to in the Bible as "the place which He will choose," without calling it explicitly by name, for political reasons. The name of the place was hidden so that "the nations would not hold onto it and fight a powerful war over it, as they would if they knew that this place on earth was the source of the Torah." Sadly, this attempt did not help, and the struggles over Jerusalem continue to this day. Political struggles have a mechanism of their own. In Jerusalem, a religious struggle exists as well.
The Jewish people return to their land with a demand for justice that is beyond law. No one disputes the spiritual ownership of other religions. This is one of the great tests of humanity. Will they recognize the rights of the father who has returned to life and to youth, to live in his own land?
Jerusalem was conquered by Christians and by Muslims. However, Jerusalem is holy to the Jews not because of an event that occurred in it, nor because of a building in it, but because of very essence. The Temple could burn down, foreign temples could be built in its place, and yet the connection with the land remains, as though nothing has changed. Thus, the Jewish people mourned over Jerusalem, and thus Rihal expressed the longing of Jerusalem for its people:
"Zion, will you not inquire after your prisoners who inquire after you, and are the remnant of your flock...
I cry endless tears to bewail your suffering, and when I dream of the return of your exiles, I am a violin for your songs."
Whoever has read Mark Twain's description of the parched land, so barren that he felt this could not possibly be the land of which the Bible speaks, understands what the renewal and rebirth of the land means.
The Ramban saw the double tragedy as the symbol of the deepest expression of the love between the people and the land. The nation could not rest peacefully in any other place in the world, and the land would not bear fruit for any foreign conqueror. It patiently awaited the return of its people.
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51a: The Land of Israel
The Paradox
We will now reopen our discussion of the uniqueness of the Land of Israel, the great paradox we have been living since the birth of Judaism in the first pages of the Scriptures. Before God there are no political or geographical boundaries, there are no boundaries of nations or of countries. And yet, the great message of this universalism is expressed in two particularisms, two uniquenesses: the uniqueness of the People and the uniqueness of the Land. The paradox teaches us that uniqueness is the path to universalism. The uniqueness of the Jewish people is part of a plan that will lead us and the nations of the world to the end of days, a plan for the redemption of the entire world. In this plan, the descendants of the Forefathers hold a unique place and position.
This paradox was a focal point of constant debate with many thinkers, particularly those who have stemmed from Judaism and have accepted some of the general principles of our Torah. The Scriptures proclaimed that Avraham would become the father of many nations. And indeed, many nations have accepted the Torah of the Forefathers. However, many of them wished to accept these principles while erasing the name of the Jews. Sometimes this was done by actual killing of Jews, and generally it was done by stealing their identity, by claiming that they themselves are the true Jewish people.
Models
The paradox of uniqueness demands an explanation from within as well. Rihal uses biological and climatic models to explain his central thesis. In my opinion, the reader has a certain amount of freedom here. He can accept these explanations as they are, or he can suggest corrections that lift these explanations to a higher plane. Rihal attempts to analyze a difficult and central issue, but he lacks the tools for the job. He saw the biological and climatic theories as models to explain his reality. Thus, for example, Rihal used the fact that certain traits are present in the grandfather, disappear in the father and reappear in the third generation.
In this way, Rihal wished to convey the surprising idea that traits can reappear despite an apparent break in continuity and education: that there can be resurrection after surcease. What Rihal describes is a return to something that does not come from without but that already exists within. The biological model is wonderful, because it demonstrates that potential can exist, for example in genetic makeup, and not be expressed outwardly. The difference in genetics between a genotype and a phenotype is the difference between uniqueness and choseness. There are traits that remain hidden because of the environment in which the organism develops; however the genotype, the uniqueness, the inner potential, continues to exist. This description is true of the nation as well. This is the essence of the principle of eternal uniqueness in the philosophies of Rihal, the Maharal and Rav Kook.
Territory
This topic brings us to the place of territory in Jewish thought. We are better equipped, thank God, to discuss this question than previous generations, who read Rihal's philosophy regarding the land of Israel yet were severed from it. Here in the land of Israel we face the full significance of Rihal's writings on the subject, as well as the difficult dilemmas that the topic raises.
One can view the land of Israel as the place where the Jewish state resides. This is an instrumental view, in which territory becomes a vehicle. Like a house, a country is a place in which we live, and it constitutes, in the largest sense of the word, a vehicle, a tool necessary for our survival. This is a rational approach, and stands as one the principles of Zionism. This principle implies that Jewish existence in the Diaspora was abnormal and unhealthy, and that the nation must be healed and rehabilitated through Zionism. This can be compared to a cripple who has lost the use of his hands and legs, and who hopes for the return of their powers. The hands and legs represent the two central characteristics of political existence in an independent state. The hands represent the nation's ability to defend itself militarily, while the legs symbolize the connection to the territory. If we were to go in this direction we would reach the territorial basis necessary for the justification of the Zionist idea, and seemingly this would be enough. However, here we must learn the great lesson of the Kuzari.
Let us jump to the end of the book. At the end of the book, the Chaver bids farewell to the king and prepares to journey to the land of Israel. "After these events the Chaver decided to leave the land of the Khazars and journey to Jerusalem." The king is astonished:
"And the departure of the Chaver was difficult for the Kuzari and he spoke to him of it, saying, 'what is there to find in the land of Israel today, since the Holy Presence has left it? And since the closeness of God can be achieved in any location by a pure heart and a strong desire; and why should you place yourself at the peril of the deserts and the seas and the hatred of the various peoples?'" (5:22)
This question of the Kuzari king must amaze us. Since the very first discourse, Rihal has emphasized the significance of the Land of Israel. His journey to the Land of Israel is the necessary and logical result of all he has been saying and writing. If so, why is the Kuzari king surprised? The answer lies in the recognition of a paradox, which is expressed at the end of the book, and sheds a different light upon the entire book. The Chaver had built a Jewish state in the land of the Khazars! Not only that, but his place in that state is comparable to the role of the philosopher, who guides the king in his leadership of the ideal kingdom. We can understand the significance of this ideal state when we read the letter that Hasdai Ibn Shaprut wrote to the Kuzari king.
He writes:
"If there is a place where there is a beacon and a kingdom for the exiles of Israel and they are not tyrannized or controlled, and if I knew that this was true, I would despise my own honor and depart from my greatness and desert my family and would speedily go up mountains, over land or sea, until I would reach the place where my lord the king rules to see his greatness and his glory and the residence of his subjects and the superiority of his servants and the repose of the exiles of Israel. And upon seeing his greatness and glory, my eyes would alight and my innards rejoice and my lips would praise the One who had not withheld His bounty from my forlorn nation."
Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, the Jewish minister of the highest personal and political status in the Caliphate in Cordova, claims that he would abandon all of his honor and become a simple subject in the Jewish state in which the Jews have independence. This state has religious significance as well:
"For how can I bleed for the destruction of our glorious House and for the few saved from the sword who went through fire and water, who are but a small remainder and have lost our honor and dwell in exile, and God does not assist us against those who say to us all the day, 'every nation has a kingdom and you have no remembrance in the land.'"
And a Jewish state exists, the kingdom of the Khazars. However, Rihal instructs us through the paradox of his own life and choices. The Chaver abandons a Jewish state, nobility, independence and everything that goes along with it, in order to travel to a place that is under foreign rule. This place is the Land of Israel. Here we learn the great lesson. Our attitude towards the Land of Israel is not one of territory, in which, by chance, a Jewish state exists. We relate to it as our destiny, and view the encounter with it as part of our essence as Jews. Jewish sovereignty and independence are significant, but so is our relationship to the Land of Israel. At the end of the book we will learn how Rihal envisioned the ultimate return to the Land of Israel and the redemption. Herein lies the mystery and the paradox. The return to the Land of Israel is not a tool or a means. What we have here is here a relationship of encounter, a cosmic meeting of those intended for each other from the beginning of time. Just as it is written that every person's marriage partner is announced in Heaven forty days before his birth, so too it is announced that a particular field in the Land is intended for a particular person. Our Sages wished to teach us the romantic idea that the connection between a couple exists before they meet for the first time, and that their meeting is not a chance occurrence. So too the relationship between the People and the Land is more than a chance occurrence. The relationship was written in the books of destiny.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
MoMo Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:32 am
IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE KUZARI:
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51b: The Land Of Israel, Part 2
AN INTRODUCTION TO JEWISH PHILOSOPHY
by Prof. Shalom Rosenberg
51b: The Land Of Israel, Part 2
What mysterious force lies behind the relationship of the People and the Land? What makes a particular union successful and unique? Here we enter into theories and models. Rihal attempts to describe it through a unique approach to the climate of the Land of Israel. We find a similar approach in the writings of Rambam. However, he limits the explanation, when he claims that this climate is not unique to the Land but characterizes the entire region. This is actually stated explicitly by Rihal:
"And Ever was the designated progeny of Shem...since his inheritance was the lands of comfortable climates, at the center of which is placed the coveted land, the land of Canaan, the land of prophecy." (1:95)
Thus, we find that the climatic condition is necessary but not sufficient. The Land of Israel is unique in that its climate integrates heat and cold. In other words, it unites the characteristics of those places lacking the conditions for creating a great civilization and a sophisticated culture. And indeed, both the inception and the development of civilization took place in the temperate climates.
Beyond the geographical conditions there is a mystical reality, a spiritual uniqueness of the Land, which makes it a place where prophecy can become a reality. The Land of Israel is the destined location of the ultimate encounter between the Jewish nation and God, the place destined for prophecy and redemption.
This approach to the Land of Israel perhaps can only be understood in categories of love. A person can consider a prospective mate according to the size of the dowry or other monetary interests, as a means to advance one's career or one's social status, etc. These are purely rational reasons. However, we all know that this is not enough, and justifiably so. Beyond these things we expect something more, something irrational and emotional, something we can only describe as love. The word love describes the relationship between the People and the Land. The book of Bereshit describes how the Great Matchmaker, the Creator himself, took Avraham, the father of the Jewish nation, and brought him to the Land of Israel. There he would found his nation, and there the great encounter between the Jewish people and God will ultimately take place. The encounter between the People and the Land is also a condition of redemption.
Thank God, for us no contradiction exists between the instrumental approach and what we might term the romantic approach. We must realize how fortunate we are, to live in the age where, after so much trial and suffering, these approaches finally merge. The distinction between the two approaches to the People and the Land was illustrated through a historical dilemma: Uganda or Palestine? The instrumental approach demanded searching for territory somewhere. This was called the territorial position. It was opposed by the position that spoke about the Land of Israel. Both approaches are important, and the Kuzari state and the other Jewish states that arose in the Diaspora were not a crime, but neither did they bring salvation. There were many Jews who did not think it a crime to live in the Diaspora but who considered the creation of a Jewish state in the Diaspora a betrayal of their allegiance to the Land of Israel.
These issues are important because of their current implications. We are faced with dilemmas that center around the ideals of the redemption of the People and of the Land. We will not enter into politics here. Politics means solving these dilemmas in a particular way. However, understanding the dilemmas is beyond politics. We must always be aware of the two-sidedness of our relationship to the Land. On the one hand, the instrumental relationship to a home, and on the other hand, the relationship to something that cannot be replaced. This relationship is represented in the Scriptures and in later literature by the classic image of the relationship to a mother. The Land is perceived as a mother to some individuals, and as a wife to the nation. We express this relationship through loyalty, love and respect.
The Land of Israel
As we have seen, the content of Jewish thought focuses around three central points: Creation, Revelation and Redemption. History is a process with many twists and turns; however, it ultimately leads us from Creation to Redemption through Revelation.
The Land of Israel symbolizes creation. The Land of Israel is also the land of prophecy.
The sacrifice of Yitzchak connects to the second point: Revelation. Just as Avraham was called to the Land of Israel from a foreign country, "Go ... to the land that I will show you" (Bereshit 12:1), so too he is called forth after entering the Land of Israel: "Go ... to one of the mountains that I will show you" (ibid. 22:2).
Here, too, Avraham follows the call to a place that he does not know, and only when he reaches it does God inform him that this is the place that God had destined for the great drama of the sacrifice of Isaac. Avraham's going reveals the holiness within the holiness. Avraham learned to recognize the holiness of the Land of Israel when he reached it. The holiness of Jerusalem had to be revealed much later, at the final trial.
The mount of the sacrifice, say the Scriptures, is the "mountain where God appeared," the place of revelation, the encounter with God. On this mountain the Temple will be built, the Temple in which man will encounter the Divine Presence. The Scriptures themselves are aware of the paradox in this claim. In king Shlomo's prayer in the Book of Melakhim we read,
"For can it be that God resides on the earth, behold the heavens and the highest firmaments cannot contain You, how can this House I have built [contain You]?" (Melakhim I, 8:27)
However, divine transcendence left room also for the immanence that is connected to "this place...and You will hearken from the heavens" (ibid. 8:29-32).
Revelation is expressed in two ways: in the personal encounter, and in the collective revelation of the Torah. Next to the Temple sat the Great Court, whose role was to teach Torah to the entire people of Israel.
The third point that is encompassed in Jerusalem is connected to the future: the Redemption. This idea means the triumph of good in the various circles of human activity: the national, the human-universal and the cosmic.
The national redemption is the return of the Jewish people to their Land. When the Jew prays for redemption, he prays to the God who "will rebuild Jerusalem," and adds, "may our eyes witness Your merciful return to Jerusalem. Blessed are You God, who will return His Presence to Zion." The redemption is the renewed meeting of the three: the People, the Land and the Divine Presence, the divine immanence.
Jerusalem is also the axle upon which the human-universal redemption turns as well. The mountain that was the center of spiritual heights for the Jewish people will become a center of inspiration and education for the entire world.
"And in the end of days the mount of the house of God will be placed above all mountains and rise above all hills and all the nations will swarm towards it. And many nations will go saying, come let us go up to the mountain of God, to the House of the God of Ya'akov, and He will teach us of His ways and we will follow in His paths, for Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of God from Jerusalem." (Yishayahu 2:2-3)
The particularism of the choosing of a People and a Land are thus merged with absolute universalism. The People and the Land preserved the Torah, so that it would spread among all the nations, and whose central expression is universal peace: "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they study war any more" (ibid. 2:4).
In Jewish tradition, Jerusalem is also the center of the cosmic redemption. Yishayahu's vision, "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" (Yishayahu 11:6) is obviously an allegory for the ideal international relations that will reign in the messianic era. However, it is also a hint at a religious utopia, in which even the natural reality will change.
Various verses in Yechezkel hint at future changes in Jerusalem. A spring will gush from it, and from it powerful rivers will stream forth, which will even heal the Dead Sea. Clearly, these are references to the ancient Garden of Eden.
And indeed certain commentators have understood it in this way. According to their interpretation, the Garden that God planted in Eden underwent a catastrophic change as a result of the sin; however, with the advent of the redemption it will revert to its original state. The Garden of Eden is the Land of Israel, and its center is Jerusalem.
If this motif exists in the Scriptural tradition, then the symbolism of the Holy Temple can be understood in its light as well. At its center, as in the Garden of Eden, the Keruvim protected the Tree of Life, which is none other than the Torah - the word of God.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
true lilly Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:28 am
This post was made by Billy Ruben who is currently on your ignore list.
So what do/does 'he/she/they' NOT GET?
Why the need to keep texting me about 'their' latest posts
in 'their' very personal, literal, war against me, as if I
and my opinions, matter more than, The War being fought?
I've often made it perfectly clear that I'm more than happy
to speak WITH any, real, individual person, about what I post,
but even when 'Billy/Jason' does ring and speak AT me, 'he'
can't be bothered remembering, where 'he's' supposed to be,
'who's' supposed to have told 'him' what, or that 'he' can't block
the number or location, from which 'he' makes 'his' worst threats,
from 'those who know and matter'.
And so, being a self proven, as well as self confessed,
NOT so Secret [anymore] Agenda Pushing, 'Agent'
of the BAD 'them'...yep, there is a GOOD 'them'...I can't
keep treating 'him/her/them' as if 'they' are not the very
same, very dangerously deceitful ilk, I first stated posting
warnings for real individuals to take heed of.
'they' can't take the joke, of
the intended victims laughing at the joy
of one more hour of Blessed Life...
...that is another WARNING, as 'they' are
committed to KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL
(ALL WHO REFUSE), to BOW TO THE BEAST,
and so, DIE TWICE and FOREVER.
Victoria Police
monitoring gangs in Melbourne
following British riots
Peter Mickelburough
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/victoria-police-monitoring-gangs-in-melbourne-following-british-riots/story-fn7x8me2-1226119207091
Two critically injured
in chemical blast at Cannons Creek
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/two-critically-injured-in-chemical-blast-at-cannons-creek/story-fn7x8me2-1226119289534
17 comments
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011
Gee, OVER 17 hours old,
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE?
)
POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS
And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH...
...TO,
those 'cleaning them up'...
...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',
I do THINK, and I do think 'you' have, "given a shit", right down
the legs 'you' still have, unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS ,
who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore...
...and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last.
So what do/does 'he/she/they' NOT GET?
Why the need to keep texting me about 'their' latest posts
in 'their' very personal, literal, war against me, as if I
and my opinions, matter more than, The War being fought?
I've often made it perfectly clear that I'm more than happy
to speak WITH any, real, individual person, about what I post,
but even when 'Billy/Jason' does ring and speak AT me, 'he'
can't be bothered remembering, where 'he's' supposed to be,
'who's' supposed to have told 'him' what, or that 'he' can't block
the number or location, from which 'he' makes 'his' worst threats,
from 'those who know and matter'.
And so, being a self proven, as well as self confessed,
NOT so Secret [anymore] Agenda Pushing, 'Agent'
of the BAD 'them'...yep, there is a GOOD 'them'...I can't
keep treating 'him/her/them' as if 'they' are not the very
same, very dangerously deceitful ilk, I first stated posting
warnings for real individuals to take heed of.
true lilly wrote:Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...
...got another call from him, to inform me of this thread...
...idiots...they couldn't even start to construct a believable tale...
...the price of that 'intelligence' supplied by idiots
Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her
...and at such a time...
with 'YOU' and...
true lilly wrote:He IS INSANE!
But NOT in a nice, 'stupid, so innocent' way.
He is Heavily, Cunningly, INVESTED IN LAYING THE FOUNDATION
FOR GLOBAL, 'BEAST' WORSHIP.
And EDITS The Official David Icke Forum.
Oh, he has also CLAIMED TO BE JESUS,
and now that HE IS (RE)WRITING GOD'S WORD.
'Funny', though, howtrue lilly wrote:There ARE TWO DEATHS, ONLY the Second IS FOREVERCiggy wrote:Jesus eh? GOOD! We killit 'im once, we can killim again!
and You Just SIGNED UP FOR BOTH. ... and I'll restate:
Why 'be gentle' with SCUM that swan around the world
and gather at EXCLUSIVE 5 star dinners to gaffaw at how
easy it is to CON the world? ... That's RHETORICAL ... !
'they' can't take the joke, of
the intended victims laughing at the joy
of one more hour of Blessed Life...
...that is another WARNING, as 'they' are
committed to KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL
(ALL WHO REFUSE), to BOW TO THE BEAST,
and so, DIE TWICE and FOREVER.
Victoria Police
monitoring gangs in Melbourne
following British riots
Peter Mickelburough
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/victoria-police-monitoring-gangs-in-melbourne-following-british-riots/story-fn7x8me2-1226119207091
true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke",
this thread is on the First Page.
So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts,
TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL
(by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and
BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE,
IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post.
So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you",
THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB
and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS
(the Stolen, Dehydrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT",
"you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home,
recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!
and the other one that wasn't mine, now lives here, happily,
on the 2 1/2 feet he has left),
gives people GOOD REASON TO READ
WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...
posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS,
THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry
IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE,
AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.
Two critically injured
in chemical blast at Cannons Creek
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/two-critically-injured-in-chemical-blast-at-cannons-creek/story-fn7x8me2-1226119289534
17 comments
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011
Gee, OVER 17 hours old,
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE?
) POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS
And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH...
...TO,those 'cleaning them up'...
...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',I do THINK, and I do think 'you' have, "given a shit", right down
the legs 'you' still have, unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS
, who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore...
...and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last.
true lilly- Posts : 6205
Join date : 2010-01-02
Age : 63
Location : VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
MoMo Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:29 pm
true lilly wrote:
and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last
hey suzi/not so tru lilly, I see you've made a new fan/reader.
what you know about YHWHs Commandments you could fit in a thimble and have lots of room left over. Your new fan says it well.
Your dog don't hunt. never did. never will.
One effect of an Alphabetic based Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather then the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.
The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerent of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.
This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.
As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.
When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this dicombobulated Moses so much he dropped the two stone Tablets Yahweh had written the ten commandments.
Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Ihage and Written Word, both were destroyed.
As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set. Yahweh also taught Moses the Alephbet.
The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of Yahweh, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.
The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.
Loving your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.
The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codexes of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.
Each one of the four encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.
One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.
Social Engineering.
The 10 Commandments: The First four concern Recognition/Respect and Service/Worship of Yahweh.
The remaining six are love and respect of fellow humans.
The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated then other contemporary ANE Cultures.
The commandment to honour BOTH Father and Mother signifies the womens important role and in the Family Unit.
Loving Neighbours is in the General Torah/Instruction: Leviticus 19:18
The last six commandments are not unusual, the first four commandments are unique. Each of the first four encourage Alphabetic literacy by rejecting the right brains way of knowing.
The First Commandment:
20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.
In one fell swoop subserviates all other elohim/gods & goddesses.
Nothing personal, it was business.
The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existant, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subserviant to Him. Psalm 82
Psalm 82
82:1 Yahweh standeth in the congregation of El; he judgeth among the elohim.
82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.
82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
All of Yahwehs Titles are masculine.
The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.
Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses. Full Stop.
Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.
The Second Commandment:
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.
Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.
Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.
The Third Commandment:
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.
Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.
To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.
The Fourth Commandment:
20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.
This facilitates the learning of Aritmatic.
Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,
No other ANE culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.
The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.
Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.
Non-Literated peeps tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.
Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.
A Judgements day only occurs in Literate Cultures.
Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.
The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.
This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.
A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden and the Farmland every seven years isto lay fallow to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.
This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.
Time is a key function of the Left Brain.
Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.
Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.
This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.
Do you realise how you contradict yourself? The First Commandment is a pillar of the Torah/Instruction (which you insult and falsly declare was 'done away with') of YHWH Elohim, and it declares that the Hebrews were in Egypt/Mizraim, which you deny.
Torah means Instruction. YHWH Elohim has provided aLL humankind with His Instruction, who are you to say otherwise?
A lying, false prophet.
You are really a mental case like Billy Rueben has documented.
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
Billy Ruben Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:13 pm
Do you want a lying fraud shill,representing and speaking for you,to the Christian God???
For years you have heard her claims,that she's had car bombings (which she changed to her daughter,recently),beatings twice,that put her in to hospital and that she is targetted by David Icke and Tintin,who run an International Cabal of Inept Hitmen.
She's deluded,that I would have sexual designs on herself,I detest the 50 year old prune.Slavic girls are beautiful,some,but I'm not even attracted to her ugly mind or mouth,so what is there to desire.I like functioning,mentally stable women,she's an erratic schizo psychopath.
I hit on people I would never want with forums,JD/John Drake being one,Vera Susa/True Lilly/Suzy Ryan,but if forced into a situation to choose between them both,I'll go twinky,and take JD's member deep in my mouth...eeeeeewww!!!!
But,the other day,True Lilly stepped over the line.She txt my missus,trying to stir trouble.She keeps all your data,if you're stupid enough to contact her and will never be left alone.I made that call from Sam's phone,cause she is disallowed and not trusted with home phones.But she's gone to far,with accusing all and sundry of child molestation,animal sex and more murderous plots,all of which is lies,as I filed a complaint with Ballarat Police and also informed them,of the slander she says against her former husband,who is allegedly a serving police officer.I wanted them to just question her,cause she'll go off the deep-end and start spouting the "Orange Order" is trying to kill me,that Israel is Australia and David Icke made my heater catch of fire,which is lies,she has animals in the house,she regulary sports photos of herself and family,sleeping with the doggies,they might be bored shitless of her endless rants,or it's some doggy-sex thingy going on with her clan or all of the above.
I was ignoring this forum,until I seen the Krokodile Thread and Zombie apocalypse...and stumbled on a post,where True Lilly constantly spams,Ciggy and I networking for child sex.I laughed at the pathetic moron at first and asked her nicely to stop.Where,delighted she finally got some attention,cause that is the only way she gets it,as I'm about to prove,with Tintins TNBTN thread.
That's her pathetic ploys which has snowballed into a very dangerous situation for her now.I am now,officially out to get her.For her own good,she must die,so she does'nt cause any more spiritual damage to herself.I'm doing her a favour.
Now lets prove what I'm saying.Her thread at the time,The Lying Conspiracy was being ignored,Vera Susa as it was known at David Icke forums,could'nt take the silence and miffed by rebuttals by the member Cori,she goes into meltdown.
What I want you to see,is she can't even live up to her own word,where she,quits the thread only to come back ten pages later,spamming the shit out of it,like she does here,when she can't win,bury the embarressing questions,cause everything she says,is a fuckin lie...everything.Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.
***to The Orange Order,my fees are $20,000,the head is deliverable as proof,I need a bogus marriage in Groningeng,for citizenship and she must be a nymphomaniac,to keep me occupied,while the search for Mr Ruben winds down,that should take a couple of days,considering True Lilly calls the local cops goat fuckers.Turn a blind eye fraternal policeman,we serve the same masters,Lucifer The Light bearer.
Here' her same MO and tactics for the last 5 years,the ignorant fucking nonce she is...kick it,really locals,kick it.
Lilly's Kharma,1,2,3 and 4...Bugger you bitch...and I mean bugger,as buggery,in the biblical sense,you know,KNOWING YOUR DOG BIATCH...
Suzy's lover that started the heater on fire...I suggest a good grooming in future Suzy,before the friction of love...
Cori's pleas to be left alone as usual ignored,she's the criminal stalker,like she accuses me of...it's her kharma and feel no shame in what I do in future...
and the skin crawls...errrr!!!!
Jesus may have lost faith and given up,but I won't...
Time to start screaming BIATCH!!!!
Hey Cori,
I will take Germany as a second choice...Ich Bin Ein Berliner...visit Hansa studios and Groningeng is just over the border by train,so I can collect my weed on regular occassions and hang out with Jan at the red-light district,sounds good to me...
Oh did I mention Ballarat Police confirmed True lilly/Vera Susa/Suzy Ryan is a complete liar about the car-bombings (none have occurred in 30 years) and that she has'nt been beaten up and put in hospital,mmmmmm,careful what you wish for Suzy...hehehe,
I can blow cars up without a frigging bomb,little missy.It's just a bad option in case INNOCENT GOOD PEOPLE GET HURT OR KILLED,hehehe,the up close and personal touch is the go.
For any of you who fell for her lies and probably donated money or things to her,feel bitter and angry,you have a right to be.
She's like Goebbels,repeat the lie often enough,people tend to buy it...and that's exactly how she works,self loathing jew Nazi Sympathizer...fark her!!!
EVIL,is spreading lies and slander and sugar coating it as the "Word Of God",EVIL and PETTY is Suzy Ryan/True Lilly of Ballarat.EVIL is those who spread lies and rumours about being victimized to try and garner favour,money and free computers.Like you did at DIF and with Runlikehell.EVIL is every filthy lying dying word that excretes from that chasm you call a mouth.You'd do more good filling it with dogknot than ever uttering a word ever again.And the way you speak lies and slander,some would be happy to put you down as the rabid little thing that you are.I will not stop and continue to heckle,cajole,derail and threaten until I get my chance to debate you face to face...I'll be using a form of "Charades" so even an idiot such as yourself,can't misunderstand my message.See you, oh so very soon,Suzy Ryan.Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!...Cthulhu!
There needs to be peace in the world.
But you see,there are some weird beliefs from religeous types,who not only welcome and celebrate our destruction,to us and our children,there are some who cannot wait for the seals of revelations to unfold,fruiters and fruit-loops like our very own forum prophet,True Lilly.I know her belief system,I know she's a Gerald Flurry fruiter groupie,but you see,in the interest of sorting the chaff from the wheat,I was hoping,Suzy Ryan/True Lilly,Gerald Flurry and all those type followers could hold their breathe now,and take no more,to set an example,from their sacrifice,that they trully loved us and stick by their beliefs,that they foist upon us,not so gentlely.It would be an exhibition of their true faith and belief and would applaud their move to do so,as I continue,to breathe the fumes from Beezlebubs arse,cause I'm a sell out and a proud satanist,for I cower and wish to continue to live.
God,she and her ilk are starting to sound like these death cults.If one had a choice,I'll take the Moonies,with wild sex and suicide at the end of it,but to live as a sexually frustrated fucked up christian and suicide without the drugs and group-sex,I just feel,somewhere,they got the short-end of the stick.If not,a few sandwhiches,short of a picnic....DER!!!!
For years you have heard her claims,that she's had car bombings (which she changed to her daughter,recently),beatings twice,that put her in to hospital and that she is targetted by David Icke and Tintin,who run an International Cabal of Inept Hitmen.
She's deluded,that I would have sexual designs on herself,I detest the 50 year old prune.Slavic girls are beautiful,some,but I'm not even attracted to her ugly mind or mouth,so what is there to desire.I like functioning,mentally stable women,she's an erratic schizo psychopath.
I hit on people I would never want with forums,JD/John Drake being one,Vera Susa/True Lilly/Suzy Ryan,but if forced into a situation to choose between them both,I'll go twinky,and take JD's member deep in my mouth...eeeeeewww!!!!
But,the other day,True Lilly stepped over the line.She txt my missus,trying to stir trouble.She keeps all your data,if you're stupid enough to contact her and will never be left alone.I made that call from Sam's phone,cause she is disallowed and not trusted with home phones.But she's gone to far,with accusing all and sundry of child molestation,animal sex and more murderous plots,all of which is lies,as I filed a complaint with Ballarat Police and also informed them,of the slander she says against her former husband,who is allegedly a serving police officer.I wanted them to just question her,cause she'll go off the deep-end and start spouting the "Orange Order" is trying to kill me,that Israel is Australia and David Icke made my heater catch of fire,which is lies,she has animals in the house,she regulary sports photos of herself and family,sleeping with the doggies,they might be bored shitless of her endless rants,or it's some doggy-sex thingy going on with her clan or all of the above.
I was ignoring this forum,until I seen the Krokodile Thread and Zombie apocalypse...and stumbled on a post,where True Lilly constantly spams,Ciggy and I networking for child sex.I laughed at the pathetic moron at first and asked her nicely to stop.Where,delighted she finally got some attention,cause that is the only way she gets it,as I'm about to prove,with Tintins TNBTN thread.
That's her pathetic ploys which has snowballed into a very dangerous situation for her now.I am now,officially out to get her.For her own good,she must die,so she does'nt cause any more spiritual damage to herself.I'm doing her a favour.
Now lets prove what I'm saying.Her thread at the time,The Lying Conspiracy was being ignored,Vera Susa as it was known at David Icke forums,could'nt take the silence and miffed by rebuttals by the member Cori,she goes into meltdown.
What I want you to see,is she can't even live up to her own word,where she,quits the thread only to come back ten pages later,spamming the shit out of it,like she does here,when she can't win,bury the embarressing questions,cause everything she says,is a fuckin lie...everything.Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.
***to The Orange Order,my fees are $20,000,the head is deliverable as proof,I need a bogus marriage in Groningeng,for citizenship and she must be a nymphomaniac,to keep me occupied,while the search for Mr Ruben winds down,that should take a couple of days,considering True Lilly calls the local cops goat fuckers.Turn a blind eye fraternal policeman,we serve the same masters,Lucifer The Light bearer.
Here' her same MO and tactics for the last 5 years,the ignorant fucking nonce she is...kick it,really locals,kick it.
Lilly's Kharma,1,2,3 and 4...Bugger you bitch...and I mean bugger,as buggery,in the biblical sense,you know,KNOWING YOUR DOG BIATCH...
Suzy's lover that started the heater on fire...I suggest a good grooming in future Suzy,before the friction of love...
Cori's pleas to be left alone as usual ignored,she's the criminal stalker,like she accuses me of...it's her kharma and feel no shame in what I do in future...
and the skin crawls...errrr!!!!
Jesus may have lost faith and given up,but I won't...
Time to start screaming BIATCH!!!!
Hey Cori,
I will take Germany as a second choice...Ich Bin Ein Berliner...visit Hansa studios and Groningeng is just over the border by train,so I can collect my weed on regular occassions and hang out with Jan at the red-light district,sounds good to me...
Oh did I mention Ballarat Police confirmed True lilly/Vera Susa/Suzy Ryan is a complete liar about the car-bombings (none have occurred in 30 years) and that she has'nt been beaten up and put in hospital,mmmmmm,careful what you wish for Suzy...hehehe,
I can blow cars up without a frigging bomb,little missy.It's just a bad option in case INNOCENT GOOD PEOPLE GET HURT OR KILLED,hehehe,the up close and personal touch is the go.
For any of you who fell for her lies and probably donated money or things to her,feel bitter and angry,you have a right to be.
She's like Goebbels,repeat the lie often enough,people tend to buy it...and that's exactly how she works,self loathing jew Nazi Sympathizer...fark her!!!
true lilly wrote:EVIL is; denying and trying to force the world into denying,
the truly life saving warnings (given to us from the beginning),
in this age when we need to hear them most, and science
keeps proving that those warnings were given to us, from the
beginning, so that we would not have to suffer the first death,
under the rule of the prince of the air, or, second, and permanent,
death.
EVIL are; all those who worship, the prince of the air,
the father of the lie, and his religions of death worship,
they have shoved down the world's throat on his behalf
(for their own selfish desires), since the first man rejected
his God given authority and handed his duty of care over
to a self serving, castrating, woman.
EVIL,is spreading lies and slander and sugar coating it as the "Word Of God",EVIL and PETTY is Suzy Ryan/True Lilly of Ballarat.EVIL is those who spread lies and rumours about being victimized to try and garner favour,money and free computers.Like you did at DIF and with Runlikehell.EVIL is every filthy lying dying word that excretes from that chasm you call a mouth.You'd do more good filling it with dogknot than ever uttering a word ever again.And the way you speak lies and slander,some would be happy to put you down as the rabid little thing that you are.I will not stop and continue to heckle,cajole,derail and threaten until I get my chance to debate you face to face...I'll be using a form of "Charades" so even an idiot such as yourself,can't misunderstand my message.See you, oh so very soon,Suzy Ryan.Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!...Cthulhu!
True Lilly wrote:
That's
The First Commandment of
The Creator God,
Who told us, From The Beginning,
about
All This Real World He Really Created,
and THE AGE of LIFE, HERE
In This Real World, BEFORE
OXYGEN=the prince of the air=DEATH...
There needs to be peace in the world.
But you see,there are some weird beliefs from religeous types,who not only welcome and celebrate our destruction,to us and our children,there are some who cannot wait for the seals of revelations to unfold,fruiters and fruit-loops like our very own forum prophet,True Lilly.I know her belief system,I know she's a Gerald Flurry fruiter groupie,but you see,in the interest of sorting the chaff from the wheat,I was hoping,Suzy Ryan/True Lilly,Gerald Flurry and all those type followers could hold their breathe now,and take no more,to set an example,from their sacrifice,that they trully loved us and stick by their beliefs,that they foist upon us,not so gentlely.It would be an exhibition of their true faith and belief and would applaud their move to do so,as I continue,to breathe the fumes from Beezlebubs arse,cause I'm a sell out and a proud satanist,for I cower and wish to continue to live.
God,she and her ilk are starting to sound like these death cults.If one had a choice,I'll take the Moonies,with wild sex and suicide at the end of it,but to live as a sexually frustrated fucked up christian and suicide without the drugs and group-sex,I just feel,somewhere,they got the short-end of the stick.If not,a few sandwhiches,short of a picnic....DER!!!!
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Re: When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!
Billy Ruben Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:22 am
Billy Ruben wrote:True Fuckwit Lilly wrote:
And isn't that exactly what the 16 Moderators
on David Icke Official Forums do:
SELL that "ONENESS" AGENDA;
MOCK ANYONE NOT SELLING THE VIEWS 'THEIR'
MAIN STREAM PROMOTED ORGANISATIONS.
And, IF THE MOCKING FAILS TO CONVERT or SILENCE THEM,
'THEY' SIMPLY BAN THEM, OVER ALL 'THEIR' MAIN STREAM
PROMOTED FORUMS.
Yep, it's all the same mobs, as any Google search for information
on the ACTUAL, Secret Religious Agenda behind 'David Icke, shows.
As no matter how specifically you word your search, what little 'they'
offer is well and truly flooded out with glorious praise for Icke and
vicious attacks against those who have cared to warn others
of the hypocrisy of that man and his backers, supporters and
followers.
Such as demanding excuses for all 'his/their' hypocrisies be accepted
as some sort of evidence of 'humaness & holiness', while utterly
damning any of his/their opponents for life, on any unrelated
minor human failing, whether real, perceived or INVENTED.
btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.
Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.
'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.
Those who in the real world, simply can't afford
to be known to associate with the likes of 'Billy Ruben's',
'cori's' or each other.
And those who still have to act friendly in the real world,
when they are not busy posting as 'Billy Ruben's', 'cori's',
and the other on line 'names' that 'they' hide behind, while
plotting with 'their' real world, secret associates, for the
installation of 'their' Beastly One World Religion.
How do I know?
How didn't 'they' know I do?
Too busy inventing lies 'they' lie I say, mean and believe,
to bother listening to what I actually say, mean and know.
[/color]True Lilly wrote:
btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.
Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.
'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.
uh-huh,did you know I outed myself before I even joined Sodlike you lying,faker,extortionist fuckwit???
Absolute no brainer beating your lies fool,no effort,but enjoyable all the same.
Billy Ruben wrote:What's your next trick True Lilly,same old MO for years,I know you...do you get it,inside and out...I know you...and run rings around your arguements,where a stupid shitbag like you can't understand the level of abuse you DESERVE,do you get it,it does'nt make you look good and me bad,you just demonstarte your stubborn stupidity...if someone needs a good beating to bash sense in them,it is you,madam...greatest dipshit I ever met online.This all snowballed from one lie...and now,I love it,ner,ner,ner,ner
Billy Ruben wrote:We've gone through all this True Lilly,these days you speak untruths,lies,yes,distortions,just to get me to answer your piss poor boring offer nothing,crap-house threads...and I have the pleasure knowing that and to tell you to your face and publicly humiliate you,cause you offer,nothing...nothing at all...I found out,if you lived by the bible tonight,retard,you,as a woman,are not,NOT ALLOWED to preach the gospel,not only that,you twist and distort it.You see,you do this,you get attention,hate usually,cause you're a loner and lost your family support and love,Your ex-hubby is Mum and Dad,thanks to your madness...isn't there a little bit that feels pain reading that,can't you make amends and be a good mum,instead of a raving lunatic...love your people and keep it shut for a while,OK,,little Suzy.Billy Ruben wrote:Here,I got YOU real good this time
Lilly,what does this say,know thy place...and shut the mouth,you have no right to speak of the bible,here's the farkin proof,I got you...
[/quote]Billy Ruben wrote:Listen mental case,I answered this post in another thread,enjoy it while it last mate,every thread you've done and will do in future,will be put in your sub-forum.And THEN,I'll lobby Sod-Admin,with a bit of coke and a blowjob,to keep you there and post no-where else on this forum,so lap it up bitch,time is short,ner,ner,ner,ner
True Lillys' Pm where she's BOASTFULLY proud of losing her family to have communion and telepathic Rapport with demons...uh,I mean't GOD...read on.Remember,she used my PM's first and my Phone TXT's,so I'm completely blameless,bringing this revelation to you...and proud!!!
true lilly wrote:You know nothing, because they are the same people of your camp, that loaded so many fools with their bad 'intelligence' about me (too busy selling the lie, to bother to get to actually know those they lie about: 'insider' knowledge doesn't come from close proximity, but closeness in mind and heart), in an effort to cover their sins of sacrificing the small, weak and powerless, to acquire their personal desires. The same people who hate anyone who loves doing just service. The same people, so stupid as to destroy every blessing I freely gave and shared with them, rather than ever admit those blessings came from their own, faithful lover of The Creator. I simply walked away from them so they wouldn't keep compounding their sins, but they are even more stupid than I wanted to admit, and keep sending their little lap dogs to snap at me and mine...with things like trying to blow up my daughter with her first car. So stupid that they keep proving their associations (in those snipping efforts), with the Low Lives that their public persona's are held to be 'above', and so also undermining any chance of recovery from their coming, very personal 'crashes' that I kept privately warning them they are headed for if they don't at lest relent if they can't yet repent. So stupid they stepped up their evils, from under the (now transparently thin), cover of The LOWEST of LOW of 'their' associates (that in turn expose 'their' 'powerful' associates who really can't afford to be seen to share those same, Low associations), rather than simply back off. Powerful associates I also warned of the dumb bunnies and traitors in their circles.Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:Married: 21-11-1981
First of 3 children to that, my one husband,
Born: 12-11-1982
Followed by 9 straight years of breastfeeding and/or being pregnant.
So old fashioned, you have to go back to genesis,
and that's why all my, worldly lusting, family hated me,
but failing to make me reject my faith in God,
they turned on and still, sabotage my children,
for which, they will answer to GOD'S Judgement,
and my children will be forgiven their errors,
taught them by those they can't believe, could,
hate God so bitterly...yet...
You see Suzy,I knew your family turned on you,look at some of the things you do that drive people away.God does'nt want neurotic followers,you have to have a normal life too...
Breastfeeding is excellent...both our kids did two years each on the tit,also mixed with food and drink as they developed,it was my idea back then too.Our kids did'nt cry,whinge or keep us up at night,pretty blessed we were back then...My ideas,not hers...was'nt a bad bloke either.
So, in your case, I'm glad you keep peddling their crap.
And, they should also know by now, how many and who, of those lap dogs and dumb bunnies, did not pass on my warnings, that they really wish they had have received...oh, it won't make those 'family' and 'friends' any more inclined to finally do right by me, far too blinded by pride, but they will be blaming and turning on more of their own ilk to punish them, for what they are too proud to admit, their own pride cost them. Which in turn will further piss off the Powerful people as they do their cost benefit analysis of the association they can afford to maintain.
If I were bitter, I would have been sneaking around taking vengeance or sitting back silently waiting, to enjoy my enemies coming just deserts, but instead I keep risking my life, by standing in the middle of the road, Calling, "CAR!"...and it breaks my heart for them, to see how much they would rather die, than admit I could, let alone would, still care to warn them.
so...and try to think, you may actually learn something worth understanding.
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:Ha! and who DIDN'T see this coming!
Craig Oxley+Cruise, David Icke+tintin,
Cruise=tintin,
'the jesuits did it','cos they are the jews',
Unhinged Minds=Unhived Lizards,
and so on, throughout CONspiracy land...
What?Are you going to spam your way through life now...AND,I thought you did'nt believe in the Reptilians,eating your own words,not hard to do...If I remember from your mad rantings,did'nt Tintin = David Icke,or you finally figured out your error there...sheesh!!!
Billy Ruben wrote:True Lilly wrote:
The timing was 'interesting', because it was posted,
after my ex left...mmm...yes, and more besides. See,
I was going to have a rest, after posting about 'Billy Ruben's'
latest phone threats, when who should rock up, for the second,
unannounced time today, but my ex. Only this time, he simply had to,
drop some *KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats at me,
and 'arrange' to get my son out of the house, tomorrow, the 26th,
yep, he also had to randomly 'drop' the fact that that is tomorrow's date,
and yeah, that is 'that date' on which 'they' just luuvvv trying to
bash me to death.
The message was timely, because it addresses what it is
that I am most hated for;
simply, my faith, in The Perfect Justice of Our Loving Creator,
and that the countless blessings I've enjoyed, I've always credited to God,
and that it has never been in my heart to blame God, for my sins and errors,
or the evils of those who knowingly, willing, hate and fight God...
...as 'The Billy Ruben's' have always been desperate to force me to do,
by inflicting great injustices and evils on me AND MINE, then cackling,
"where's your god now"...while missing the point, that it is My God,
The Creator of us all, Who brought me into Their Lives, to be a witness
of His countless blessings, and warn them against choosing to reject
The Saving Grace of His Living Word.
*KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats:
you know, the sort of things diagnosed sociopaths just have to
admit behind closed doors, like admissions of past crimes against
you and promises of more to come, while sneering that 'no one
will believe you, including the police'; Just As His Very Public
Defender, 'Billy Ruben', keeps Publicly Boasting He Does, and
Publicly Threatening, To Do More and Worse.
Hey Suzy Ryan,
send my regards and love to your ex-hubby,Billy ruben2 Ryan,we have concluded after the meeting with the Australian Division of the Orange Order,to get your son out of the house,before I "Whack" you and take your head for payment,as we do sex rites and magic rituals with your corpse to curse you for your next life,I want you to come back as a fly,because,you'll be a maggot first,then,I'll catch you,then I'll pull your wings off and you wont be a fly anymore,but a Walk,then I swat you and you'll be a Dead...
Fark You Bitch...and your son should be left alone,cause you're a nutter,spreading shit in his brain...
Billy Ruben wrote:The above spammed bullshit is the usual crap she's been shoving down everybodies throats for the last two weeks.BOYS AND GIRLS AT HOME,DON'T YOU JUST HATE JESUS AND GOD WHEN IT COMES FROM THE FILTHY DYING CHASMS LIKE THIS LOUDMOUTHED FREAK.SHE DOES GOD A DIS-SERVICE...HAVE SONG BITCH...F*CK YOU GOD...
Billy Ruben wrote:"It is our duty to insult him,F*ck you god,Strike me down if you dare you tyrant,you non-existant fraud..."
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Lilly,since you're brave because you stand by God and all that...can we have a nice picture of your face,please?
I'd like to design your very own Christian Prophetess Icon,it would be a gas and very,very funny!Trust me for once...
Billy Ruben wrote:el kabong wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:Please don't spam my threads True Lilly,thankyou,love Billy...
she is Barking Mad isn't she Billyboy?
I found your reminiceings interesting until Lilly Queen of Bullshit showed up and flooded your Thread like she does everywhere on this Forum.
My condolences ol' chap.
Thankyou...that's really want I want to do,write about the day that's been and other things,then,ya get SPAMMED TO DEATH AND OUT THE DOOR...it changes day to day,you come here to defend yourself from "babyfucker" allegations,then,you remember the free atmosphere and pink,then you remember you liked the place...so,good,you get bent,it's been a nice day and night,so,you offer the forum something a little different and get shat upon from forum prophet,although false she be,forum nutter,stalker,crazy woman,True lilly...
Glad you see it and thanks for the up about writing shit,appreciate it.Billy...
Billy Ruben wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:...seems I'm not supposed to post what I found...
...PRAY.
that's right...
It began like this
Billy Ruben wrote:then encrypted rambling spam...
then True lilly started to screaming insanely,because the need to SPAM was so great
Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:
...
got to you did'nt it?
then half an hour later,you spammed,and did'nt you let it out.
You have a problem Suzy,besides being a closet pisspot.
Actually,come to think about it,you're irredeemable...
You have clear issues...I could've saved you the cost of a SMS,I replied,U R insane...
and what's worse,f*ck-all to use for the bloody Powerball.
Pissed off...
Billy Ruben wrote:then,sure as shit,easy to predict,Billy gets niggley...
she spams some moreBilly Ruben wrote:Lilly...
Listen here,there's no need to spam my fucking thread,ok?
I made it plain I read you fucking threads,got it?
No more fucking spam,you fucking old biddy...
I can't take it no more...
Billy Ruben wrote:...and thirst for blood,nearing a coronary,he refrains from swearing...
Billy Ruben wrote:So delving into her childhood by telepathic ethernet,I found rather disturbing,but strangely stimulating images and references..Billy Ruben wrote:You see Lilly,being the country girl that you are and always been,...this is love.
Not just being a CHAMPION BREEDER,BUT YOU SEE,when you was little,most kids learn't,from dogs,the 70's my era,what swingers party was on for the night...and for me,the local toilet wall...and THAT was eye-opening.
But not you,no...out there on the meadows,soft breeze in your hair,dandelions float and sway dropping its seed in mysterious locations,just solitude,you and a horse with a rather large erect penis...
Uh OK,True Lilly,your God gives Allah head...there,insulted???Billy Ruben wrote:which led to much deeper and psychological complexities turned into a positive and prosperous venture..Billy Ruben wrote:But this love and fascination was not lost,now was it?
There was a market for horse stimulators and this sticky enterprise paid handsome dividends...
And yourself,being a proud and rather talented and gifted horse stimulator,made a nice handsome living...until much further down the track,when you discovered that copious ingestion of the spirit known as Gin,helped you contact the God Of Oztralia and soaked in Gin you delivereth...
Many unkind messages...
There,take that and the toilet paper you keep quoting,The BlueLetterBible,suck on my littl'un...BIATCH!!!
Billy Ruben wrote:She tried talking over the top of me,hahahahaha,I laughed in her face about exposing her for years of lies and relying on the generosity of others with those lies.I also said,the only reason she outed her name,phone number etc,was to lend credibilty to those lies...and that's excatly how it is...besides,she's completely mad.For now on,she only fools the fools,like Palomino,but others who suspected truth to her...there is none.She called me a big dickless cock and hung up...wooooooo,arguement defeating line that one...
Billy Ruben wrote:It's a small forum dip-shit,you can't spam and hide and hope half a dozen posters will help bury it.How'd you feel about Cori being here last night,oh,that's right,hahahahahahahaha,you ran away and logged off,like you do everytime that tiny brain has no way of worming its way out,hahahahahaha...F*ck Yeah...
True Lilly wrote:
But on another matter:
This is a "dumb crime",
of 'Billy Ruben aka Jason aka Jase';
Received: 19-8-2011
Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up,cops wont help u
.up urs sweetie
True Lilly wrote:
No 'Billy Ruben', so why don't 'you' enlighten us,
as to WHY 'you' love to PUBLICLY BRAG that 'you' HAVE
POLICE WILLING TO ACT CORRUPTLY FOR 'YOU'?[/size]
Just to make it clear;
how does 'Billy Ruben' believe this 'proves' that
I am 'not' a victim of bitter individuals who are also
criminally corrupt public officials, who cover each other's arses?
Billy Ruben wrote:Billy Says:
Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up,cops wont help u
.up urs sweetie
True Lilly wrote:And it get 'better'.
Billy Ruben wrote:Sucked in jewish dog
rooting lying slut,do u
know the real reason
i got the cops to
ignore u,huh?ur a
goner
Billy Ruben wrote:Soon as negotiations
r finalised demons
will disapear u,errrr!
Billy Ruben wrote:well,call the police and file a complaint
True Lilly wrote:
And it get 'better'.
Billy Ruben wrote:Prove it slag,someone must've hacked my phone,I did'nt say that....
Billy Ruben wrote:Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.
Billy Ruben wrote:For any of you who fell for her lies and probably donated money or things to her,feel bitter and angry,you have a right to be.
She's like Goebbels,repeat the lie often enough,people tend to buy it...and that's exactly how she works,self loathing jew Nazi Sympathizer...fark her!!!
Billy Ruben wrote:JUST RANG THE LYING COW,SHE AVOIDED ALL THE QUESTIONS HAD NOTHING TO SAY AND HER SPEECH WAS SO SLOWED AND SLURRED,SHE WAS DOSED UP ON SOMETHING,PITY,IT DOES'NT REMOVE HER DELUSIONS ABOUT EVERYONE SHE INTERACTS WITH.I WROTE HER OFF,NO SWEARING OR THREATS AND LAUGHED IN HER FACE FOR DESTROYING HER CREDIBILTY (VERY LITTLE OF) AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE DENIES AND SPAMS AWAY,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT AND SHE'LL NEVER RECOVER FROM IT."sHE SAYS,I GOT TO GO NOW,THANKYOU",IN THAT HIDEOUS PIXIE SHIT TONE VOICE OF HERS,UGLY OUTSIDE AND UGLY TO THE BONE THAT ONE IS...THIS IS VICTORY...THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STEP WAY OVER THE LINE,FOR TOO LONG,THIS HAS BEEN COMING...SHE'S SO UGLY,YOU GOT NO IDEA,THE VULGARNESS OF ITS VOICE,HIDEOUS.HERE'S HER PHONE NUMBER:0424705576...SORRY,I CHOSE BROWN,BROWN FOR POOP THAT DRIVELS OUT HER MOUTH...
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