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Post  sharky Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:50 pm

arh arh arh arh arh arh arh arh arh arh; jolly good thread............let's start lilly off with sumthin' ez. LINGUISTICS lilly; DEFINE the word: Zion

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Post  true lilly Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:15 pm

David Icke


















Some dare call it
Conspiracy


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Secrets revealed!


  • Catcher in the Rye
  • Cutting Edge Ministries
  • Denver Airport conspiracy theory
  • Global warming conspiracy theory
  • Morgellons disease
  • New Black Panther Party
  • Obama citizenship denial
  • The Obama Deception
  • The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
  • Zeitgeist
v - t - e

David Icke is a human singularity of insanity best known for his UFO and conspiracy theory advocacy. He came to fame as an English footballer and sports commentator and former spokesman for the UK Green Party, but since 1991 has devoted his life to informing the world that it's actually secretly controlled by evil shape-shifting lizard-people from the 4th dimension.


Contents

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  • 1 New Age beginnings
  • 2 Jews Lizards
  • 3 Altie
  • 4 Weirdo

    • 4.1 Permanently upping the batshit ante

  • 5 List of people thought to be reptilian overlords
  • 6 Important Notice
  • 7 David Icke fashion statements
  • 8 See also
  • 9 External links
  • 10 Footnotes

[edit] New Age beginnings

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Icke, reptoid-watching.



During the late 1980s while he was still with the Green Party, Icke began to look to alternative medicine
for a cure for the arthritis that had ended his football career. This
also brought him in contact with the local members of the New Age movement. In 1990, he met a psychic he called his "soul mate" who began to introduce him to hardcore New Age woo.[1] He went off the deep end shortly thereafter. He left the party in 1990 and was formally banned from it in 1994.[2]


[edit] Jews Lizards


Icke is a proponent of a super-duper grand unified conspiracy theory
that mixes together just about every conspiracy theory you can think
of: this he calls the "Babylonian Brotherhood." All members of the media, the scientific community, the banking system, and the religions
and militaries of the world's nations are mere foot-soldiers of the
conspiracy. These stooges are in turn controlled by the usual suspects:
the United Nations, the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rothschild family,
the World Bank, etc. All of these groups are merely the puppets of "the
global elite," which are controlled by "the prison wardens."

With the release of his book The Biggest Secret in 1999,
Icke added the final layer on top of the pyramid of conspiracy:
Interdimensional shape-shifting lizard-people from a rift in the
space-time continuum near the constellation Draco, often referred to as
"reptilians" or "reptoids." Partially ripping off from Zecharia Sitchin, he claims these aliens are the Anunnaki
and that they have interbred with humans throughout history. Much of
the "evidence" of reptoids Icke and his worshipers put forth are
pictures of world leaders with enlarged pupils or red eye - the everyday
kind of red eye - retinas illuminated by camera flashes. This
supposedly signifies that they have momentarily lapsed in their
shape-shifting.[3]

Some people have taken offense to this, claiming that "shape-shifting lizard-people" is a "code word" for "Jews".[4] While Icke claims that he is not anti-Semitic
- and that when he says "shape-shifting lizard-people," he really does
quite literally mean that they are lizards - he does hang around with
some rather fringe right-wing nutcases, but balances it all out by being just as insane a believer in New Age mumbo-jumbo. It should be noted, however, that he believes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were true, albeit supposedly not about Jews but (ironically given the accusation of anti-Semitism) a code word for lizard people, and has been flirting with Holocaust denial.[5]


[edit] Altie


At this point, it shouldn't be surprising that Icke hawks alt-med and every crank medical idea under the sun through his web site and book store: Homeopathy, vitamin woo, vaccine denial, AIDS denial, Big Pharma conspiracies, etc.


[edit] Weirdo


In 1991, on Terry Wogan's TV chat show, in the middle of talking
about football (the subject he was a guest on the show to talk about),
Icke announced that he was "the son of God" and that Britain would be
devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes, now that's just a little bit strange as the UK
isn't seismically active. He also began wearing all turquoise all the
time which furthered claims he was either disturbed or perhaps a
reptilian himself.[6] He was even passed over for Celebrity Big Brother in 2006 for being "too weird"!

In 2008, he ran for election to Parliament as an independent
candidate in the Haltemprice and Howden by-election. He got only 110
votes, and lost his deposit. If the lizard people (who live between
Selby and Hull) had let him win, he would not have actually entered
Parliament as he vowed not to actually take the oath to the Queen
required.

Icke was the only non-American interviewee on the life-saving DVD The Fall of America and the Western World.

Icke considers himself the most controversial writer in the
world. Non-British people who don't pay much attention to the weirder
sections of the bookstore consider him "who?", which puts him in
somewhat the same category Ward Churchill occupies among liberals.


[edit] Permanently upping the batshit ante


If all of the above wasn't crazy enough for you, Icke seems to have taken The Matrix
literally (well, minus the parts with Keanu Reeves and robot
overlords). He believes that much of reality is a holographic projection
or sensory illusion being beamed down by our alien overlords from the
moon. No, really...no, really.[7]


[edit] List of people thought to be reptilian overlords

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David Icke, trying desperately to get his message through the jamming transmitters of the giant lizards.




  • Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
    of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Knight of the Order of the
    Elephant, Colonel-in-Chief of the South African Railways and Harbours
    Brigade, monarch of all Barbados.
  • The Queen Mother
  • Prince Charles of England.[8]
  • George "Dubya" Bush
  • Bush the elder
  • Bill Clinton
  • Hillary Rodham Clinton
  • Al Gore
  • Tony Blair
  • Dalton McGuinty[9]
  • Harold Wilson
  • Ted Heath
  • The Rothschilds
  • The Rockefellers
  • Death Adder (Actually, the case for this one is pretty convincing)
  • Kris Kristofferson
  • Boxcar Willie.[10]
  • Mr Bean
  • Scary Spice
  • Jack Bauer
  • The presenters of the Blue Peter children's television show
  • Everyone who doesn't believe that
    evil-reptillian-nazi-atheist-capitalist-republican-communist-zionist-black-homosexual-Jewish
    aliens are trying to take over the world
  • Adam
  • The Merovingians, a dynasty in Medieval France
  • The ancient emperors of China, who legend has it were half-snakes...not sure how that works, but what the hell
  • The Egyptian pharaohs
  • Ok, basically every royal dynasty ever...
  • You.
  • (Add more!)

If any of these individuals are seen sacrificing children or drinking blood, they should be reported to the zoo constabulary post-haste.


[edit] Important Notice

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Hail to the chief!



Anyone whose "Legal defense fund" is vital to continuing their work should be approached with caution.


[edit] David Icke fashion statements


David Icke, as well as his fans, are well known in popular culture for promoting the aluminum foil hat
trend. This trend started as a way of keeping (insert evil conspiracy
group here) from being able to read the mind of the person wearing the
hat, but the trend has grown to be popular in some mental hospitals, as
well as in certain American militia movement meeting places.Joke


[edit] See also



  • New World Order
  • Insanity
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Post  MoMo Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:08 pm

Well done lilly, so far so good.......however there is a Linguistics challenge.............time to be purrrrfectly honest. thumbs up

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Post  true lilly Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:25 am

Hidden Valley estate, Wallan
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Post  mugglez Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:29 am

true lilly wrote:Hidden Valley estate, Wallan
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Post  true lilly Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:34 pm

Psalms 94:1-23
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=94&v=1&t=KJV#1
1
O God of acts of vengeance, Jehovah,
O God of acts of vengeance, beam forth!

2
Raise yourself up, O Judge of the earth.
Bring back a retribution upon the haughty ones.

3
How long are the wicked, O Jehovah,
How long are the wicked themselves going to exult?

4
They keep bubbling forth, they keep speaking unrestrained;
All the practicers of what is hurtful keep bragging about themselves.

5
Your people, O Jehovah, they keep crushing,
And your inheritance they keep afflicting.

6
The widow and the alien resident they kill,
And the fatherless boys they murder.

7
And they keep saying: “Jah does not see;
And the God of Jacob does not understand [it].”

8
Understand, YOU who are unreasoning among the people;
And as for YOU stupid ones, when will YOU have any insight?

9
The One planting the ear, can he not hear?
Or the One forming the eye, can he not look?

10
The One correcting the nations, can he not reprove,
Even the One teaching men knowledge?

11
Jehovah is knowing the thoughts of men, that they are as an exhalation.

12
Happy is the able-bodied man whom you correct, O Jah,
And whom you teach out of your own law,

13
To give him quietness from days of calamity,
Until for the wicked one a pit is excavated.

14
For Jehovah will not forsake his people,
Nor will he leave his own inheritance.

15
For judicial decision will return even to righteousness,
And all the upright in heart will follow it.

16
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers?
Who will take his stand for me against the practicers of hurtfulness?

17
Unless Jehovah had been of assistance to me,
In a little while my soul would have resided in silence.

18
When I said: “My foot will certainly move unsteadily,”
Your own loving-kindness, O Jehovah, kept sustaining me.

19
When my disquieting thoughts became many inside of me,
Your own consolations began to fondle my soul.

20
Will the throne causing adversities be allied with you
While it is framing trouble by decree?

21
They make sharp attacks on the soul of the righteous one
And pronounce wicked even the blood of the innocent one.

22
But Jehovah will become a secure height for me,
And my God the rock of my refuge.

23
And he will turn back upon them their hurtfulness
And will silence them with their own calamity.
Jehovah our God will silence them.


Psalms 95:1-11
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=95&v=1&t=KJV
1
O come let us cry out joyfully to Jehovah!
Let us shout in triumph to our Rock of salvation.

2
Let us come before his person with thanksgiving;
Let us with melodies shout in triumph to him.

3
For Jehovah is a great God
And a great King over all [other] gods,

4
He in whose hand are the inmost depths of the earth
And to whom the peaks of the mountains belong;

5
To whom the sea, which he himself made, belongs
And whose own hands formed the dry land itself.

6
O come in, let us worship and bow down;
Let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker.

7
For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasturage and the sheep of his hand.
Today if YOU people listen to his own voice,

8
Do not harden YOUR heart as at Mer´i·bah,
As in the day of Mas´sah in the wilderness,

9
When YOUR forefathers put me to the proof;
They examined me, they also saw my activity.

10
For forty years I kept feeling a loathing toward [that] generation,
And I proceeded to say:
“They are a people wayward at heart,
And they themselves have not come to know my ways”;

11
Concerning whom I swore in my anger:
“They shall not enter into my resting-place.”


Psalms 96:1-13
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=96&v=1&t=KJV
1
Sing to Jehovah a new song.
Sing to Jehovah, all [YOU people of] the earth.

2
Sing to Jehovah, bless his name.
From day to day tell the good news of salvation by him.

3
Declare among the nations his glory,
Among all the peoples his wonderful works.

4
For Jehovah is great and very much to be praised.
He is fear-inspiring above all [other] gods.

5
For all the gods of the peoples are valueless gods;
But as for Jehovah, he has made the very heavens.

6
Dignity and splendor are before him;
Strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.

7
Ascribe to Jehovah, O YOU families of the peoples,
Ascribe to Jehovah glory and strength.

8
Ascribe to Jehovah the glory belonging to his name;
Carry a gift and come into his courtyards.

9
Bow down to Jehovah in holy adornment;
Be in severe pains because of him, all [YOU people of] the earth.

10
Say among the nations: “Jehovah himself has become king.
The productive land also becomes firmly established so that it cannot be made to totter.
He will plead the cause of the peoples in uprightness.”

11
Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be joyful.
Let the sea thunder and that which fills it.

12
Let the open field exult and all that is in it.
At the same time let all the trees of the forest break out joyfully

13
Before Jehovah. For he has come;
For he has come to judge the earth.
He will judge the productive land with righteousness
And the peoples with his faithfulness.
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Post  true lilly Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:50 pm

Sayings Not Found in Scripture

We often get questions by people asking us to locate various
sayings in the Bible which do not exist.
Many sayings have developed
throughout the years by a variety of means. Scripture supports the
purposes of some of the sayings while contradicting others.

Sayings
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Moderation in all things.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Once saved, always saved.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Better to cast your seed....
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Spare the rod, spoil the child.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare To thine ownself be true.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare God helps those who help themselves.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Money is the root of all evil.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Cleanliness is next to godliness.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare This too shall pass.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare God works in mysterious ways.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare The eye is the window to the soul.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare The lion shall lay down with the lamb.
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Pride comes before the fall.

Miscellaneous
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare The Three Wisemen
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare The Sinner's Prayer
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare Wedding Vows
True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually Bluesquare The Seven Deadly Sins
true lilly wrote:Seven deadly sins found under layers of whitewash in a Welsh church
From:NewsCore
November 24, 2011
3:35PM


A MURAL depicting the seven deadly sins - believed to date back to
the 15th Century - has been uncovered on the walls of a tiny village
church in south Wales.

The artwork was buried under 27 layers of whitewash,
which masked it for more than 460 years.


Now five of the sins -
greed, avarice, lust, sloth and pride -

have already been revealed,

while the remaining two -
wrath and envy - remain hidden,
WalesOnline reported Wednesday.


Experts believe the mural may have been
painted in
St. Cadoc's Church in Llancarfan -
a tiny village west of Barry -
in 1480 and
covered up about 70 years later.

The church walls also contain
the largest depiction of the legend of
St. George and the Dragon
in the UK, the report said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/seven-deadly-sins-found-under-layers-of-whitewash-in-a-welsh-church/story-e6frf7jx-1226204981109
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Post  MoMo Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:14 am

true lilly wrote:

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O God of acts of vengeance, Jehovah,
O God of acts of vengeance, beam forth!
.......................................7 And they keep saying: “Jah does not see;
And the God of Jacob does not understand it ..................................................................

Psalms 95:1-11

1 O come let us cry out joyfully to Jehovah!Let us shout in triumph to our Rock of salvation.

2 Let us come before his person with thanksgiving;
Let us with melodies shout in triumph to him.

3 For Jehovah is a great God
And a great King over all [other] gods,[/color]
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8 Do not harden YOUR heart as at Mer´i·bah,
As in the day of Mas´sah in the wilderness,

true lilly fails to speak factually or truthfully.....................who is surprised...................first and foremost the Creators Proper Name is Yahweh/YHVH......NOT: jehova...jehova is a mistranslation.factually WRONG. Misleads the unknowing reader.

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Examples and supporting credentialed evidence.

http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/12-2004-PW.pdf

Yahweh inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures, in order to show mankind how to overcome sin. Once sin is overcome,
mankind can become perfect in righteousness, and gain salvation, which is a gift of the Creator, Yahweh only. However, if we
.r.efuse to follow the path of righteousness given by Yahweh’s prophets, we have chosen death. Compare the following Scriptures. II Kepha 1:21—
For the prophecy did not come in former times by the will of man, but holy men of Yahweh spoke as they were moved by Holy Spirit.
.I.t was by this same inspiration that the Prophet Isayah wrote the following: Isayah 59:1-2—
1 Behold, Yahweh’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear.
2 But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He
will not listen.
Please notice that iniquity and sin separate you from Yahweh, the Heavenly Father.
The Savior used the word iniquity in His instruction to us, warning us to beware of religious imposters who teach against
.Y.ahweh’s Laws. Mattithyah 7:15—
Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
.T.he Savior is trying to make us aware of righteousness and evil. Mattithyah 7:21-22—
21 Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My
Father Who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name,
and in Your Name performed many wonderful works?
Now remember, iniquity cuts one off from Yahweh (Isayah 59:1-2) so that He will not hear you. Notice the Savior’s words in the
.n.ext verse. Mattithyah 7:23—
But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity; you who break the Law of Yahweh!
............................................................The Name Of The Savior Presented By The Prophets
One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man’s
Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance,
not only to individuals, but also to entire families.
The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New
Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a
Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.
Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common
Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.
JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second
Commonwealth period.
The Name, Birth, and Death Date of Jesus. Jesus is the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua. Jesus’ father, Joseph,
his mother, Mary (in Heb. Miriam), and his brothers James (in Heb. Yaaqob), Joses (Yahseph), Judah, and Simon (Mark 6:3)
. likewise bore very popular Hebrew names. The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua,
which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.
The first personal name that was definitely constructed with the tetragrammaton is u~v%ohy+, (Joshua).
This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the
Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, hwhy. The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers
.o.f Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh’s Name. The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 153, tells us this about compound names which glorify Yahweh:
A distinctive characteristic of Bible onomatology is the frequency of composite names, which form at times even complete sentences,
as in the case of Isaiah’s son Shear7jashub (= ‘‘the remnant shall return’’).
In the majority of cases these composite names are theophorous, referring to, or actually mention-ing...the name of
. YHWH. The Interpreter’s Dictionary, Volume 3, page 505, tells us:
There is an increasing tendency, especially in the 7th Century b.c. to use compound names which state a fact or express a wish...
The most numerous are names compounded with ‘YAH’... which number over 150 and are almost entirely personal or family
names.
The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh’s Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and
SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page
221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation.
u~Wvohy+, uv%ohy+, and (later) u~Wvy@, n.pr.m. (& loc., v. 9 infr.) (′y is salvation, or ′y is opulence, ...in any case it came to
be associated with uvy, cf. Mat I21; on uWvy v. esp. FräVOJiv, 1890, 332 f. Müll SK 1892, 177, f. who cite analog. for change of o to lat-
In Search Of
The True Savior
Page 4 The Prophetic Word 12-2004
er7, & Nes 1.c.)71. Moses’ successor, son of Nun, (G ’Ihsou)u~Wvohy+ Dt 321 Ju 27;=uv%ohy+ .The Hebraic Tongue Restored, by Fabre d’Olivet, page 462, gives us this information concerning the Hebrew word, shua. We
find that this word comes from the word yasha:
u? shuh. Every idea of conservation, restoration, cementation.
u? In a literal sense, lime, cement; in a figurative sense, that which consolidates, guarantees: which serves as safe-guard; which pre.
serves. Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon To The Old Testament, page 811, tells us:
u o v ...not used in Kal, i.q.uvy*7(1) TO BE AMPLE, BROAD; hence7
(2) to be rich, wealthy (see uov, uov No. 1).
(3) to be freed from danger and distress (compare u~v~v y*). .The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 447, tells us about the word yasha.
†uvy@n.m.Is 51,5 deliverance, rescue, salvation, also safety, welfare;7uvy@ y 207 + 4 t.; uvy@ Jb 511 + 4 t.; sf. yu+!vy ! 2 S 223 + 11t.,
+ 14t. sfs.;71. safety, welfare, prosperity 2 S 235 y 126 Jb 54.11. 2. salvation, i.e. primarily physical rescue, by Yahweh, oft.
with added spiritual idea: Is 6211 y 6914 858.10; <yhla!{ ( u~v y @ salvation from Yahweh y 5023; used as infin. with acc. u~v y @l+ Hb 313.13
(see Ew §239a); accordingly Yahweh is yu!v+ yw! + yrw! a{ my light and my salvation y 271; uvy rWx 951; uvy /r#q# 183=2 S 223;
Thus we have uvwhy (yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin). This name is correctly pronounced YAH-SHU-A, since the letter waw in this
compound is silent, just as The Hebraic Tongue Restored, by Fabre d’Olivet, pages 112-113, tells us.
CONJUNCTIVE OR CONVERTIBLE ARTICLE.7This article in uniting nouns, causes the movement of nothingness, of which the character
W becomes the sign, as we have seen: in making actions pass from one time to another, it exercises upon them the convertible faculty of
which this same character is the universal emblem. Its conjunctive movement can be rendered by: and, also, thus, then, afterward,
that, etc. But its convertible movement is not expressible in our tongue and I do not know of any in which it can be expressed. In order
to perceive it one must feel the Hebraic genius.
We have sufficient proof showing that the Name of Yahweh has been completely erased from the Holy Scriptures, and from
common knowledge and use altogether, because of the man-made traditions of our forefathers and rabbis.
The Century Bible, Volume 1, pages 90-91, tells us the following.
Some time after the return from the Captivity, and before the beginning of the Christian Era, the Yahdaim (Jews) came to believe
that the Holy Name YAHWEH was too sacred to be uttered on ordinary occasions. It was said to be pronounced by the High Priest
on the Day of Atonement. At other times, when any one read or quoted aloud from what is called the Old Testament, the word
“Adonay”, “Lord,” was usually substituted for YAHWEH, and similarly the LXX (Septuagint Version) has Kurios, the Vulgate dominus,
and the E.V. LORD, where the Hebrew has YAHWEH. Hebrew was originally written without vowels, but when the “vowel points” were
added, the vowels of “Adonay” or “Elohim” were written with YAHWEH, as a direction that these words were to be read instead of
the word whose consonants were YAHWEH; thus we find the combinations YeHoWaH and YeHoWiH. At the Reformation, the
former being the more usual, was sometimes used as the Name of the (Mighty One) of Israyl, and owing to ignorance of its history
was misread as “Jehovah,” a form which has established itself in English, but does not give the pronunciation of the Holy Name it represents.

The Prophet Yeremyah warned that this practice of removing Yahweh’s Name would be handed down to us from the unfaithful
.p.riests, interpreters and scribes, when the Hebrew Scriptures were first translated to Greek, then to Latin, and finally to English.
Yeremyah 8:8—
How can you say; We are the wise, and the Law of Yahweh is with us? Behold, the lying pen of the scribes has falsified them, and
written them wrong!
That’s why, today,foolish sounding names like ‘‘Jesus,’’ which do not honor or glorify our Heavenly Father Yahweh,
because they carry none of the original intent and meaning.
. The Empty Name ‘‘Jesus’’ The New Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 7, pages 970-971, tells us of the name Jesus:
JESUS (THE NAME). In English the name Jesus is a transliteration of the Latin form Iesus, which represents the Greek form ’Ihsou'"
of the Hebrew name ye-šûa‘. The latter is a late form, by vowel dissimilation, of the name yôšûa‘, itself a contracted form of yhôšûa‘,
‘‘Yahweh is salvation.’’ This was the name of Moses’ successor. *Josue (Joshua), son of Nun. Both because of the fame of this early
hero of Israel and because of the meaning of the name, many men both in the OT and in the NT bore the name of Josue or Jesus. The
Septuigint generally uses the Greek form ’Ihsou'" where the Hebrew text has the form yôšûa‘ or y’hôšûa‘. So also the NT, in referring
to Josue, son of Nun, calls him Jesus (Acts 7:45; Heb 4:Cool. An allusion is made in Mt. 1:21 to the meaning of the name (‘‘Yahweh is
salvation’’): Joseph is told by the angel of the Lord to name the child born of Mary’s virginal conception ‘‘Jesus, for he shall save his
people from their sins.’’ .The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, by Kittel and Bromley, Volume 3, page 289, tells us:
The full form uv%ohy ! is a sentence name, 36 in which the subject comes first and represents a form of the divine name hwhy, and in
which the verb is a subsidiary form of the verb u?y which is also found in names like uWvyba, uWvyla and uWvyKlm which means ‘‘to help’’
Philo’s explanation ...recognizes the two parts (Mut. Nom., 121): ’Ihsou'" swthriva kurivou. More exact is the interpretation in a pap. of the
3rd to 4th cent. A.D.: ’Ihsou'" Iw swthriva.37 The Rabbis, too, were aware of the two parts of the name, Nu. r., 16 on 13:2 (Str.-B., I, 64):
u?wh is called u?why (Nu. 13:6), i.e., y is added, because in view of the wickedness of the spies Moses said: hwhy rwdh /m iuy?wy h y: The
y thus indicated the tetragrammaton (or its abbreviation h y) The shortened form uWvy no longer expresses Yahweh’s Name clearly,
directing attention simply to the verb u?y. .The Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Volume 2, pages 330-331, gives us more information about this widely accepted,
yet incorrect name.
’Ihsu'" ’Ihsu'"(Iwsous), Jesus,
OT Ie-sous is the Gk. form of the OT Jewish name Yw-šûa‘, arrived at by transcribing the Heb. and adding an -s to the nom. to facilitate
declension. Yw-šûa‘ (Joshua) seems to have come into general use about the time of the Babylonian exile in place of the older
Yehôsûa. The LXX rendered both the ancient and more recent forms of the name uniformly as Ie-sous... It is the oldest name containing
the devine name Yahweh, and means ‘‘Yahweh is help’’ or ‘‘Yahweh is salvation’’ (cf. the vb. yasa‘, help, save). Joshua also appears
.in one post-exilic passage in the Heb. OT (Neh. 8:17) as Yw-šûa‘ the son of Nun, and not as in the older texts Yehôšoa. The Encyclopedia Dictionary of the Bible, by Louis Hartman, pages 1141-1142, shows us this:
Jesus. This name in English is a transcription of the Latin Jesus, which represents the Greek form, ’Ihsou'", of the Hebrew name,
ywš-a‘ (! Jesua), itself a late form, by vowel dissimilation, of y• š-a‘ (! Jesua), a contracted form of yeh• s-a‘, ‘‘Yahweh is salvation.’’
The form Yeshua or Jesus was a deliberate change from the original Name Yahshua, as the same pages of this same source shows:
Jesua. In the last few centuries before Christ the personal name, y• s--a was pronounced and written as ywš-a. .The Harper Bible Dictionary, by Paul Achtemeier, page 474, shows us that the form Yeshua or Jesus is not even a Hebrew name.
Jeshua (jesh´Â-uh; Heb., ‘‘Yahweh is salvation’’), the Aramaic form of Joshua.
Rather than this name being correctly written and spoken YAHSHUA (containing Yahweh’s powerful Name), its new form was
Yeshua, meaning He will save. Not only was Yahweh’s Name removed from the correct Name, Yahshua written in its new form,
Yeshua, but Yahweh’s power was removed from it as well.
This new name (Yeshua) was being used as the replacement for Yahshua’s true Name, by the time the Septuagint (LXX) was
beginning to be translated. The Greek word written in this version to replace the name that had replaced Yahshua’s Name, is
’Ihsu'"7a direct transliteration of the Hebrew word Yeshua.
The next version of the Bible, after the Greek Septuagint (LXX), was the Vulgate—attributed to Jerome. In the year 383 C.E.,
Jerome began to work on this Latin Version. He undertook the revision of the Old Testament directly from the Septuagint
Version.
In the Septuagint, the Name of Yahweh was replaced with the Greek word, Kyrios7Lord. In the Latin Vulgate, Jerome directly
translated the Greek word Kyrios7Lord to the Latin word for Lord7Dominus. In the Latin Vulgate, Jerome transliterated the
Greek word ’Ihsu'" to the Latin, Iesus.
Page 6 The Prophetic Word 12-2004
.Unger’s Bible Dictionary, page 1113, tells us of the earliest, early Versions of the translated English Bibles.
Translations, English Bible.
1. Early Versions. There were portions of the Bible, and possibly the entire work, rendered into the English vernacular
very early in the history of the language. These, however, were all made from the Latin, and not from the original Hebrew.
The early Versions directly translated the Latin word Dominus to the modern English word we all know today as Lord, which is
still causing the world to forget Yahweh’s Name for Baal (Yeremyah 23:27).
In early versions, the Greek word Ie-sous was shortened to the Latin Iesus. It was not until the year 1064 C.E. that the popular
name Jesus, was placed in the Scriptures. There was not even a ‘‘J’’ sound in the English language until that century. We must
remember also, the fact that there is no ‘‘J’’ in the Hebrew language. Even the modern English ‘‘J’’ was not in use until the sixteenth
.c.entury of our own Common Era. Collier’s Encyclopedia, copyright 1957, page 289, gives us these facts
‘‘J the tenth letter of the English alphabet, has no ancient ancestor, unless, as a recent variant of ‘‘I’’ and ‘‘i’’ ...Not until the sixteenth
century was any systematic effort made to differentiate vocalic ‘‘i’’ with the sign ‘‘i’’ and consonantal ‘‘i’’ with the sign ‘‘J’’. ‘‘J’’ the
capital, was introduced at that time...
The name Jesus is not even a transliteration. It is a corruption of a transliteration of a Hebrew word which had the mighty and
.p.owerful Name of Yahweh removed from its original meaning. The Theological Dictionary Of The New Testament, Kittel and Bromiley, Volume 3, page 284, tells us that the name Jesus
(Iesous) is a Greek form of the Hebrew proper Name Yahshua (uw?why). Keep in mind, however, that this name Jesus carries none
of the meaning of the original Hebrew Name Yahshua, which means Yahweh is salvation.
’Ihsu'"!o[noma.
1. The Greek form of a list of OT characters who in pre-exilic Hebrew are called uv|w{hy ! and usually after the Exile uWvy.
In fact, on page 290, this same work not only tells us that the name ‘‘Jesus’’ fails to convey any of the glory of Yahweh (which is
contained in the Name Yahshua), but also that it is actually the masculine form of the name of a pagan Goddess.
H. Lamer believes that the Gk. Jesu is a masculine form of *Ihawv, the goddess of salvation, for which we have the form *Ihswv, in
Herond, Mim., iv. 642.
42Philol. Wochenschr., 50 (1930), 764 f. The goddess *Ihsw, is the only figure in Gk. mythology which can be brought into relation
with Jesus.
This is only further evidence of the literary license which the established Christian religions, led by the Catholic Church, have
taken with the Scriptures. I should point out here, that they have done this without authority from our Heavenly Father Who said
‘‘Do not add to or take away from this word which I have given you.’’
If the Christians could turn the Name of a Man, Yahshua, Who all authorities agree was a righteous Man, and Whose Name
glorifies Yahweh, into the name of a detestable pagan God (Jesus), then how much more could they twist this Man’s teachings to
say that He taught against Yahweh’s Laws?
The shocking fact is that the Christians (led by the Catholic Church) have accomplished both of these things, and have
convinced the whole world (including the vast majority of Israylites) that these lies are truth. I challenge you to believe Yahweh
and His Word, instead of believing lying preachers who desire to ‘‘do away’’ with Yahweh’s Laws7the very Laws (as we have seen)
that will bring peace, joy and eternal life to all who abide by them.

The truth about this lying propaganda comes as a complete surprise to the Christian believers who will not study for themselves.
To them, everything in the Scriptures is a surprise. It’s just like the teaching of their preachers, that Yahshua (Whom they call
Jesus) and the twelve disciples ‘‘did away’’ with the Laws of Yahweh in the New Testament teachings.
We, should be above accepting as facts the words of lying propaganda, without checking these teachings out for ourselves, with
what the Scriptures themselves truly state.
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Post  MoMo Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:36 am

Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "Meribah":
4809 Mriybah mer-ee-baw' the same as 4808; Meribah, the name of two places in the Desert:--Meribah.

Result of search for "4808":
4808 mriybah mer-ee-baw' from 7378; quarrel:--provocation, strife.


Result of search for "Massah ":
4532 Maccah mas-saw' the same as 4531; Massah, a place in the Desert:--Massah

Result of search for "4531":
4531 maccah mas-saw' from 5254; a testing, of men (judicial) or of God (querulous):--temptation, trial.



A better source Translation of the Hebrew Bible, written in Hebrew is here:

Mechon Mamre
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/

Five free online resources for learning Torah Remember, 'tru lilly' is Anti-Torah-gods Word/Instruction. she mistranslates/Misrepresents Yahshua Messiah/jesus and claims the Torah, gods Word is 'done away with'. Shocked Rolling Eyes

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm

Notice the Tetragrammaton, the source of Gods Proper Name.......Yahweh.........HVHY=hewhaY...Hebrew is a consonantal language spelled right to left. thumbs up

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/

The Revelation of the Divine Name
Rev. J.A. Motyer, B.D., M.A.
Vice-Principal of Clifton Theological College
and later Principal of Trinity Theological College, Bristol
[Reproduced by permission of the author]


http://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/article_revelation_motyer.html

Exodus vi. 2, 3, which reads as follows:

'And God spoke to Moses, and said to him: I am Yahweh. And I showed myself to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob in the character of El Shaddai, but in the character expressed by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them.'

It will be seen at once that this alters the standard English Versions29 in two important respects. It does not deny to the patriarchs the knowledge of the name Yahweh, but only denies to them knowledge of the significance of that name; it allows them to know the name, but not to know the nature which the name implied.30 Consequently, this retranslation opens the way to a synthesis of Genesis and Exodus different from that of the documentary theory, a way which allows for a truly biblical progressive revelation. Our immediate task therefore is to justify the terms of the proposed translation; and our ultimate task is to attempt a synthesis of the relevant chapters of Genesis and Exodus..............................The facts about the occurrence and distribution of the name Yahweh between Genesis xii. 1 and Exodus iii. 12 are as follows. The name is found on a total of one hundred and sixteen occasions. They are not, of course, all of equal evidential value for patriarchal knowledge. The largest groups - sixty occurrences - can be classed as historian's use: that is, by themselves they would tell us no more than that the writer of these chapters knew the name Yahweh, and attributed certain actions and words to Him.64 There are forty-five cases which undoubtedly display patriarchal knowledge of the name, either because they themselves use it, or because it is used by God or man in addressing them.65 The remaining eleven cases may belong to either of these classes: they consist of references to the building of an altar to Yahweh, the calling on the name of Yahweh, the worshipping, entreating, or enquiring of Yahweh. In all probability they show patriarchal knowledge of the name, but they could conceivably illustrate nothing more than the historian's knowledge.................


18 It is worth remarking that the Bible knows nothing of different 'names' of God. God has only one 'name' - Yahweh. Apart from this, all the others are titles, or descriptions. This fact is often imperfectly grasped. thumbs up










Psalm 94:

א אֵל-נְקָמוֹת יְהוָה; אֵל נְקָמוֹת הוֹפִיעַ. 1 O LORD, Thou God to whom vengeance belongeth, Thou God to whom vengeance belongeth, shine forth.



Psalm 95:
ח אַל-תַּקְשׁוּ לְבַבְכֶם, כִּמְרִיבָה; כְּיוֹם מַסָּה, בַּמִּדְבָּר. 8 'Harden not your heart, as at Meribah, as in the day of Massah in the wilderness;
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Amongst lillys many deceits is: Zion is not Isdrael/Jerusalem...........I asked her many times to provide a definition of Zion........she refuses....besides being anti-torah..she is also anti-israel/Zion.. thumbs up

Let's examine the work of a master Theologian and his understanding of Zion/Israel/Jerusalem/Yahweh/Yahshua/Jesus :

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD
(Originally published in Ex Auditu 1998, 14, 42–56. Reproduced by permission of the author.)

N. THOMAS WRIGHT

To address the subject of the theological significance of the earthly Jesus I take as my topic the central question of Jesus and God. The question must be approached from both sides. First, in what sense, if any, can we meaningfully use the word “god” to talk about the human Jesus, Jesus as he lived, walked, taught, healed, and died in first century Palestine? In what sense might Jesus conceivably have thought in these terms about himself? Can we, as historians, describe the way in which he might have wrestled with this question within the parameters of his own first century Jewish worldview? Second, what happens to our sense of the identity of God when we allow our long historical look at Jesus to influence what we mean by the endlessly fascinating word?[1]............................The Jews believed in a quite different “god.” This god, YHWH, “the One Who Is,” the Sovereign One, was not simply the objectification of forces and drives within the world, but was the maker of all that exists. Several biblical books, or parts thereof, are devoted to exploring the difference between YHWH and the pagan idols: Daniel, Isaiah 40-55, and a good many Psalms spring obviously to mind. The theme is summed up in the Jewish daily prayer: “YHWH our God, YHWH is one!”[10]

Classic Jewish monotheism, then, believed that (a) there was one God, who created heaven and earth and who remained in close and dynamic relation with his creation; and that (b) this God had called Israel to be his special people. This twin belief, tested to the limit and beyond through Israel’s checkered career, was characteristically expressed through a particular narrative: the chosen people were also the rescued people, liberated from slavery in Egypt, marked out by the gift of Torah, established in their land, exiled because of disobedience, but promised a glorious return and final settlement. Jewish-style monotheism meant living in this story and trusting in this one true God, the God of creation and covenant, of Exodus and Return.

This God was utterly different from the pantheist’s “one god.” This is an important point to note: many, including many scholars, have blithely assumed that because Stoics and others talked about “one god” they were saying the same thing as the Jews. This God was also utterly different from the far-away ultra-transcendent gods of the Epicureans. Always active within his world, did he not feed the young ravens when they called upon him?[11]—he could be trusted to act more specifically on behalf of Israel. His eventual overthrow of pagan power at the political would be the revelation of his overthrow of the false gods of the nations. His vindication of his people, liberating them finally from all their oppressors, would also be the vindication of his own name and reputation. In justifying his people, he would himself be justified. In his righteousness, his covenant faithfulness, they would find their own.

This monotheism was never, in our period, an inner analysis of the being of the one God. It was always a way of saying, frequently at great risk: our God is the true God, and your gods are worthless idols. It was a way of holding on to hope. We can see the dynamic of this monotheism working its way out in the manifold crises of second-temple Judaism, with the Maccabees, Judas the Galilean, and above all the two wars of the late 60s and early 130s A.D. revealing how the creational and covenantal theology and worldview remained at work through the period and in different groups.

This God was both other than the world and continually active within it. The words “transcendent” and “immanent,” we should note, are pointers to this double belief, but do not clarify it much. Because this God is thus simultaneously other than his people and present with them, Jews of Jesus’ day had developed several ways of speaking about the activity of this God in which they attempted to hold together, because they dared not separate, these twin truths. Emboldened by deep-rooted traditions, they explored what appears to us a strange, swirling sense of a rhythm of mutual relations within the very being of the one God: a to-and-fro, a give-and-take, a command-and-obey, a sense of love poured out and love received. God’s Spirit broods over the waters, God’s Word goes forth to produce new life, God’s Law guides his people, God’s Presence or Glory dwells with them in fiery cloud, in tabernacle and temple. These four ways of speaking moved to and fro from metaphor to trembling reality-claim and back again. They enabled Jews to speak simultaneously of God’s sovereign supremacy and his intimate presence, of his unapproachable holiness and his self-giving compassionate love.

Best known of all is perhaps a fifth. God’s Wisdom is his handmaid in creation, the firstborn of his works, his chief of staff, his delight. God’s Wisdom is another way of talking about God present with his people in the checkered careers of the patriarchs and particularly in the events of the Exodus. Wisdom becomes closely aligned thereby with Torah and Shekinah.[12]
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.............I believe every generation of researchers must engage, in the historical study of Jesus. Just as the Nazi theologians, Käsemann’s obvious target, had re-invented a non-Jewish Jesus so today people are inventing Jesuses who support all kinds of ideologies.....................At the human level, Jesus is like us precisely in this: he did not exist or think or feel or pray in a vacuum, but rather within a continuum, a web of socio-cultural symbolic resonances, a universe of discourse within which deeds, thoughts, and words carried layers of meaning. Orthodox Christians are frightened of letting Jesus belong to a world like this, precisely because we know that if he is like us in belonging to such a world, he will he very unlike us in that his world is not our world......................................But it is not merely a NT dogma that Jesus brings the story of Israel to its climax, and so becomes the instrument of God’s long-promised salvation. Israel’s story is not a notion, floating two miles in the sky above the Palestine of Jesus’ day. Israel’s story was the real flesh-and-blood, wars-and-rumours-of-wars story of the Maccabees and the Herodians, of Judas the Galilean, Simon bar Giona, of the Jewish War, of Josephus, of a hundred kingdom movements and a hundred thousand crosses planted around Jerusalem. This was the story, the warts-and-all story, that Jesus of Nazareth brought to its god-ordained climax. ....................Out of all this, I have argued in various places that we can, as historians, properly reconstruct Jesus of Nazareth’s sense of vocation. We can study John the Baptist’s vocation, and Paul’s: why should we not study Jesus’? When we do so, we find that dozens and dozens of lines of inquiry converge to produce a well ordered, coherent, historically credible sense of vocation, emerging in central symbolic actions, hinted at in a hundred cryptic and teasing sayings. Jesus believed he was Israel’s Messiah, the one in whom Israel’s history was to be summed up. Jesus believed he would win the messianic victory over the real enemy and would build the true messianic temple through taking Israel’s fate upon himself and going to the cross. Jesus believed that in doing so he was not just pointing to or talking about, but was actually embodying, the return of YHWH to Zion. These, though striking and startling, emerge from the world of Second Temple Judaism like the flower growing suddenly out of the plant. They were not expected, but upon inspection this is where they belonged. All the elements of the package were around somewhere in the culture. They are not, repeat not, a retrojection of later Christian theology, not even of later NT theology, which by and large developed in other legitimate ways. They are only credible, but they are totally credible, as the historically reconstructed mindset of Jesus himself. And they form, not the substance of later atonement and incarnational theology, but its historical starting point...................I have argued elsewhere that a central feature of Jewish expectation, and kingdom expectation at that, in Jesus’ time was the hope that YHWH would return in person to Zion. Having abandoned Jerusalem at the time of the exile, his return was delayed, but he would come back at last..........................................And Jesus seems to have believed it about himself. The language was deeply coded, but the symbolic action was not. He was coming to Zion, doing what YHWH had promised to do. He explained his action with riddles all pointing in the same direction. Recognize this, and you start to see it all over the place, especially in parables and actions whose other layers have preoccupied us. Why, after all, does Jesus tell a story about a yearning father in order to account for his own behavior?[36] It is this that also accounts for his sovereign attitude to Torah, his speaking on behalf of Wisdom, and his announcement of forgiveness of sins.[37] By themselves none of these would be conclusive. Even if they are allowed to stand as words and actions of Jesus, they remain cryptic. But predicate them of the same young man who is then on his way to Jerusalem to confront the powers that be with the message and the action of the kingdom of God and who tells stories as he does which are best interpreted as stories of YHWH returning to Zion, then you have reached. I believe, the deep heart of Jesus’ own sense of vocation. He believed himself called to do and be what in the scriptures only Israel’s God did and was.

................................................What are we therefore saying about the earthly Jesus? In Jesus himself, I suggest we see the biblical portrait of YHWH come to life: the loving God, rolling up his sleeves (Isa 52:10) to do in person the job that no one else could do, the creator God giving new life the God who works through his created world and supremely through his human creatures, the faithful God dwelling in the midst of his people, the stern and tender God relentlessly opposed to all that destroys or distorts the good creation, and especially human beings, but recklessly loving all those in need and distress. “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd; he shall carry the lambs in his arms; and gently lead those that are with young” (Isa 40:11). It is the OT portrait of YHWH, but it fits Jesus like a glove. .....................................


Obviously Zion and Israel/Jerusalem are inextrixably linked/conjoined eternally. Quite contrary to what 'tru lilly' claims. thumbs up


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Jeremiah 50:1-46

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#1

1
The word that Jehovah spoke concerning Babylon, concerning
the land of the Chal·de´ans, by means of Jeremiah the prophet:
2
“Tell [it] among the nations and publish [it]. Andlift up a signal; publish [it].
Hide nothing, O men. Say, ‘Babylon has been captured. Bel has been put to shame. Mer´o·dach has become terrified. Her images have been put to shame. Her dungy idols
have become terrified.’
3
For against her a nation has come up from the north. It is the one that
makes her land an object of astonishment, so that there proves to be
no one dwelling in her. Both man and domestic animal have taken flight.
They have gone away.”


4
“In those days and at that time,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “the sons of Israel,
they and the sons of Judah together, will come. They will walk, weeping as they walk,
and for Jehovah their God they will seek.
5
To Zion they will keep asking the way, with their faces in that direction, [saying,]
‘Come and let us join ourselves to Jehovah in an indefinitely lasting covenant that
will not be forgotten.’
6
A flock of perishing creatures my people has become. Their own shepherds
have caused them to wander about. On the mountains they have led them away.
From mountain to hill they have gone. They have forgotten their resting-place.
7
All those finding them have eaten them up, and their own adversaries have said,
‘We shall not become guilty, due to the fact that they have sinned against Jehovah
the abiding place of righteousness and the hope of their forefathers, Jehovah.’”


8
“Take YOUR flight out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth even out of the land of
the Chal·de´ans, and become like the leading animals before the flock.
9
For here I am arousing and bringing up against Babylon a congregation
of great nations from the land of the north, and they will certainly array themselves
against her. From there she will be captured. One’s arrows are like those of a mighty man causing bereavement of children, who does not come back without results.
10
And Chal·de´a must become a spoil. All those making spoil of her will satisfy themselves,”
is the utterance of Jehovah.


11
“For YOU men kept rejoicing, for YOU men kept exulting when pillaging my own inheritance. For YOU kept pawing like a heifer in the tender grass, and YOU kept neighing like stallions. 12
The mother of YOU men has become very much ashamed. She that gave YOU birth
has been disappointed. Look! She is the least important of the nations, a waterless
wilderness and a desert plain.
13
Because of the indignation of Jehovah she will not be inhabited, and she must become
a desolate waste in her entirety. As for anyone passing along by Babylon, he will stare
in astonishment and whistle on account of all her plagues.


14
“Array yourselves against Babylon on every side, all YOU who are treading the bow.
Shoot at her. Spare no arrow, for it is against Jehovah that she has sinned.
15
Shout a war cry against her on every side. She has given her hand.
Her pillars have fallen. Her walls have been torn down. For it is the vengeance of Jehovah. Take YOUR vengeance on her. Just as she has done, do to her.
16
Cut off the sower from Babylon, and the one handling the sickle in the time of harvest. Because of the maltreating sword they will turn each one to his own people, and they
will flee each one to his own land.


17
“Israel is a scattered sheep. Lions themselves have done the dispersing.
In the first instance the king of As·syr´i·a has devoured him, and in this
latter instance Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon has gnawed on his bones.
18
Therefore this is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, has said,
‘Here I am turning my attention upon the king of Babylon and upon his land
in the same way that I turned my attention upon the king of As·syr´i·a.
19
And I will bring Israel back to his pasture ground, and he will certainly
graze on Car´mel and on Ba´shan; and in the mountainous region of E´phra·im and
of Gil´e·ad his soul will be satisfied.’”


20
“And in those days and at that time,” is the utterance of Jehovah,
“the error of Israel will be searched for, but it will not be;
and the sins of Judah, and they will not be found, for I shall forgive
those whom I let remain.”


21
“Against the land of Mer·a·tha´im—come up against her and against the inhabitants of Pe´kod. Let there be a massacre and a devoting to destruction close upon them,”
is the utterance of Jehovah, “and do according to all that I have commanded you.
22
There is the sound of war in the land, and a great breakdown.
23
O how the forge hammer of all the earth has been cut down and gets broken!
O how Babylon has become a mere object of astonishment among the nations!
24
I have laid a snare for you and you have also been caught, O Babylon,
and you yourself did not know [it]. You were found and also taken hold of,
for it was against Jehovah that you excited yourself.


25
“Jehovah has opened his storehouse, and he brings forth the weapons of his denunciation. For there is a work that the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, has in the land of the Chal·de´ans.
26
Come in to her from the farthest part. Open up her granaries. Bank her up,
just like those making heaps, and devote her to destruction. May she
not come to have any remaining ones.
27
Massacre all her young bulls. May they go down to the slaughter. Woe to them,
for their day has come, the time for their being given attention!


28
“There is the sound of those fleeing and those escaping from the land of Babylon
to tell out in Zion the vengeance of Jehovah our God, the vengeance for his temple.


29
“SUMMON against Babylon archers, all who are treading the bow.
Encamp against her all around. May there prove to be no escapees.
Pay back to her according to her activity. According to all that she has done, do to her.
For it is against Jehovah that she has acted presumptuously, against the Holy One
of Israel.
30
Therefore her young men will fall in her public squares, and even all her men of war
will be brought to silence in that day,” is the utterance of Jehovah.


31
“Look! I am against you, O Presumptuousness,” is the utterance of
the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, “for your day must come,
the time that I must give you attention.
32
And Presumptuousness will certainly stumble and fall, and it will have
no one to cause it to rise up. And I will set a fire ablaze in its cities,
and it must devour all its surroundings.”


33
This is what Jehovah of armies has said: “The sons of Israel and the sons of Judah
are being oppressed together, and all those taking them captive have laid hold on them. They have refused to let them go.
34
Their Repurchaser is strong, Jehovah of armies being his name. Without fail
he will conduct their legal case, in order that he may actually give repose
to the land and cause agitation to the inhabitants of Babylon.”


35
“There is a sword against the Chal·de´ans,” is the utterance of Jehovah,
“and against the inhabitants of Babylon and against her princes and
against her wise ones.
36
There is a sword against the empty talkers, and they will certainly act foolishly.
There is a sword against her mighty men, and they will actually become terrified.
37
There is a sword against their horses and against their war chariots and
against all the mixed company that are in the midst of her, and they will
certainly become women. There is a sword against her treasures, and they
will actually be plundered.
38
There is a devastation upon her waters, and they must be dried up.
For it is a land of graven images, and because of [their] frightful visions
they keep acting crazy.
39
Therefore the haunters of waterless regions will dwell with the howling animals,
and in her the ostriches must dwell; andshe will nevermore be dwelt in,
nor will she reside for generation after generation.”


40
“Just as with God’s overthrow of Sod´om and of Go·mor´rah and of her neighbor [towns],”
is the utterance of Jehovah, “no man will dwell there, nor will the son of mankind reside
in her as an alien.


41
“Look! A people is coming in from the north; and a great nation and
grand kings themselves will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth.
42
Bow and javelin they handle. They are cruel and will show no mercy.
The sound of them is like the sea that is boisterous, and upon horses
they will ride; set in array as one man for war against you, O daughter of Babylon.


43
“The king of Babylon has heard the report about them, and
his hands have dropped down. There is distress! Severe pains
have seized hold of him, just like a woman giving birth.


44
“Look! Someone will come up just like a lion from the proud [thickets]
along the Jordan to the durable abiding place, butin a moment I shall
make them run away from her. And the one who is chosen I shall appoint over her.
For who is like me, and who will challenge me, and who, now, is the shepherd that
can stand before me?
45
Therefore hear, O men, the counsel of Jehovah that he has formulated
against Babylon and his thoughts that he has thought out against the land of
the Chal·de´ans. Surely the little ones of the flock will be dragged about.
Surely on account of them he will cause their abiding place to be desolated.
46
At the sound [when] Babylon has been seized, the earth will certainly
be set rocking, and among the nations an outcry itself be heard.”


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Here is a whole Thread of credentialed and sourced historical and theological Data which lilly cannot handle. This Data refutes all her misrepresentations and mistranslations and uses of Holy Scripture out of context to promote her false agenda. thumbs up

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To protect yourself in your inquiry, don't just believe what people/'tru lily' say/says, test it with proven, credentialed sources by qualified experts. Examine lillys thread; gossip mongering.........keep in mind this axiom: Shallow minds speak of people and things, average minds speak of events, profound minds discuss ideas. thumbs up

Mizraim means Egypt. Zion is Israel/Jerusalem, NOT Australia

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http://mashiyach.com/

The Kingdom of Elohim is represented by Tsiyon (pronounced Tsee-yone or Zion in English), a literal place in Jerusalem, that symbolizes a spiritual place, the seat of Mashiyach's government on this earth. Originally Zion was a small location in Jerusalem, then it became a code name for the whole city of Jerusalem.



For it is said in the Scripture, “Behold, in Tsiyon I lay a chosen and precious stone for the head of the corner; and whoever believes in him will not be ashamed.” On you therefore who believe is this honor conferred: but to them who do not believe “he is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” And they stumble at it because they believe not the Word from where they were appointed. But you are an elect race, officiating as priests of the Kingdom; a Set Apart people, a redeemed congregation; that you should proclaim the praises of him who called you out of darkness to his precious light: who formerly were not counted as a people but now are the people of Elohim; and also, there were (once) no mercies on you but now mercies are poured out upon you. My beloved, I entreat you as strangers and pilgrims, separate yourselves from all lusts of the body, for they war against the soul. And let your behavior be honorable before all men; so that they who utter evil speeches against you, may see your good actions and may praise Elohim in the day of trial. And be submissive to all the sons of men, for Elohim’s sake; to kings, on account of their authority; and to judges because they are sent by him for the punishment of offenders, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of Elohim, that by your good deeds you may stop the mouth of the foolish who do not know Elohim: As free men, you are not like men who make their freedom a cloak for their wickedness, but as the servants of Elohim. 1 Peter 2:6-16




Throughout Scripture we read of a Kingdom that is not of this earth, but it is shaped from the pattern that is in Heaven. The tabernacle in the wilderness was built according to the specifications that YHWH gave to Moses and within that tabernacle, each of the physical elements are symbols of the spiritual or heavenly Kingdom. It is also interesting to note that Zion is mentioned in 153 verses in the Tanakh... this is the same number of fish the disciples caught in John 21:11. The symbolism is clear, Yeshua taught his disciples how to build the Kingdom of Heaven, as opposed to a religion "about" the Kingdom of Heaven, a very big difference.



We are being trained to know what Tsiyon is, and what it is not. No religion or people's groups have exclusive rights to Tsiyon, it belongs to the people of Mashiyach regardless of religion, race, color or creed. The Government of Tsiyon is on the shoulder of Mashiyach. Mashiyach is returning to the Mount of Olives from whence he departed, but this time round Scripture tells us he will be Mashiyach Ben David a much different scenario than when he first came to earth.



There is the Israel of Elohim (spiritual) and there is the other kingdom of Israel of the flesh. Not all who are Israel of the flesh are the Israel of Elohim. If we can look at Jews, Christians or Muslims without judging them by their religion or race, then we are getting closer to ZION, as how it is revealed in Mashiyach. The Kingdom of Elohim is a government, NOT a religion.



Tsiyon is also the place in our neshama (spirit) where we connect with Mashiyach where our heart receives and gives love for all of Creation, where we can see all others through the eyes of Mashiyach and carry no prejudice towards anyone. The Kingdom is within us, it is not an external government or religion.


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You're claim that Israel is an insignificant strip of sand illuminates your ignorance. Israel is the Left/Western Arm of the fertile Crescent..........the Israelites have even made the southern desert areas bloom due to hard work, a foreign concept to you. thumbs up

http://www.zionism-israel.com/

What is Zionism?
Zionism is the political movement that is implementing the national liberation of the Jewish people. It is based on the assertion that the Jewish people, like any other people, has the right to self-determination; Jews have a right to a national home in their historic homeland. Zionism has made a reality of the "impossible" project of restoration of the Jewish people to our homeland, after nearly 2,000 years of exile. The work of Zionism is far from complete, however.

Zionism has always been a part of JudaismThe ideological and cultural foundations of Zionism have always been present in Jewish tradition. Jews always thought of themselves as a nation or people. The concept of "am Yisrael" - the "people of Israel" or "nation of Israel," has been inherent in Jewish culture from ancient times. Jewish cultural and religious life always centered around the land of Israel. This did not change during two millennia of dispersion.




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lilly continues to Bullshit , I've countered every one of her false arguments, right here in this very Thread.......... she has never replied. never Defined Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........she attacks the jews, the Torah and Israel, she quotes scripture like satan, out of context, to distort and deform it to fit her agenda....... thumbs up


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’



Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition

http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word
John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.

Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel
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................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........'tru lilly': you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.
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One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.


ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................


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http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/7-wonders-of-jewish-history/

Over 300 years ago, King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great Christian philosopher, to give him proof of God. Pascal answered, “Why the Jews, your Majesty, the Jews!”

That the Jewish nation—such a tiny group of people—survived two thousand years of exile and persecution was nothing short of a supernatural phenomenon. Pascal wasn’t the only one who was so amazed by the survival of the Jewish people. Other thinkers, philosophers and historians have noticed something unusual about the Jews.

Mark Twain, an agnostic and self-acknowledged skeptic, penned this in 1899 in Harper’s Magazine:

“The Egyptian, Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away. The Greek and Roman followed, made a vast noise and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up, and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out and they sit in twilight now or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal, but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”



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Why were Pascal, Mark Twain and many others so amazed by the survival of the Jews against all odds?

The Seven Wonders of Jewish History

1) Eternal Nation
2) Exile and Dispersion
3) Few In Number
4) Anti-Semitism
5) Light to the Nations
6) The Interdependency of the Jewish People and the Land of Israel
7) The Return of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel
Conclusion


1) Eternal Nation
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It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews would be an eternal nation:

“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, and your descendants after you, throughout the generations. An eternal covenant to be your God, and the God of your descendants after you” (Genesis 17-7).

This promise is repeated many times throughout the Torah (Leviticus 26:43, Deuteronomy 4:26-27, Deut. 28:63-64). And it has come true. Even though Jews did not have a homeland, a common language or a shared history (the factors that historians use to define a nation), they have remained a distinct people.


2) Exile and Dispersion
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It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews would be exiled and dispersed:

“And you, I will scatter among the nations, at the point of My drawn sword, leaving your country desolate and your cities in ruins” (Leviticus 26:33).

Jews have remained a people despite exile and dispersion. In all of human history, there have been less than ten exiles of an entire people out of their country. It’s a highly unusual phenomenon to take a whole people and throw them out of their country.

Multiple exiles are unheard of, since after the first one the people generally disappear—they simply become assimilated among other peoples. In human history, multiple exiles and dispersion are unique only to the Jewish people.

The dispersion of the Jewish People to the four corners of the globe is a completely unique phenomenon in human history. Jews have wandered and settled in almost every land on earth -while somehow managing to maintain their distinct national identity.

The Jewish people were exiled from Israel by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. They survived, returned to Israel after 70 years, and then built the Second Temple. Then in 70 CE, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple, causing the Jews to go into exile once again.
Therefore, we see two different uniquenesses:

A. The only nation exiled twice from their own land
B. The only nation to ever survive and return from a previous exile

The Torah goes on to spell out one final uniqueness within this phenomenon—amongst these nations within which the Jews will be scattered, there will be a continual wandering. Immediately after Deuteronomy 28:64 (“And G-d shall scatter you among all the peoples from one end of the earth to the other…”), the prophesy continues—“Among those nations you shall find no repose, not a foot of ground to stand upon, for there the L-rd will give you an anguished heart and wasted eyes and a dismayed spirit.” (Deuteronomy 28:65).

This prophesy of the “Wandering Jew” has remarkably not only characterized our ancient history, it continues to identify us as a unique people right up until and including the present day.

When we scan the diaspora of Jewry over the entire globe and throughout the entire civilized world, we are surprised to see that this Nation, which is almost the most ancient in the world, is in truth the youngest in terms of the land under its feet and the sky above its head. As a result of the relentless persecutions and forced expulsions, most Jews are but recent new-comers to their respective lands of residence. Ninety percent of the Jewish people have lived in their new homes for no more than 50 or 60 years! (The Jewish People) are dispersed throughout over 100 lands on all five continents.



- Leschzinsky, “The Jewish Dispersion”, pg. 9 (Heb.)



3) Few In Number
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It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews will survive as an eternal nation despite dispersion and being few in number:

“God will then scatter you among the nations, and only a small number will remain among the nations where God shall lead you” (Deuteronomy 4:27).

To every other people, a small population spells extinction. We know from the records that the Romans kept about 2,000 years ago, there were between 8-10 million Jews living in the world. How many Jews do demographers say should be in the world today?

If in the same period of time, the Chinese went from a population of 30 million to over 1 billion people, there should be approximately 500 million Jews alive in the world today. After the Chinese and the Indians, the third largest ethnic group on the planet earth should be the Jews! But there are only 14 million Jews alive today.

There are virtually no more Jews in the world today than there were 2,000 years ago and yet throughout all this time, the Jews remained a distinct people.


4) Anti-Semitism
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The term “anti-Semitism” itself is very curious. Why not refer to the hatred and persecution of Jews by more generic terms like religious bigotry, xenophobia, or racism? The Jews are the only group in the world with a unique term for their persecution. Why? The world seems to realize that anti-Semitism isn’t simply one more unfortunate example of hatred in the world, but is instead a phenomenon specific to the Jews.

There are four different aspects to anti-Semitism which characterize it as being a hatred like no other:

1) Universality
2) Intensity
3) Longevity
4) Irrationality

Universality:
The universal scope of anti-Semitism can be seen in the fact that Jews have been expelled from virtually every country in which they have resided. Jews were expelled from England in 1290, France in 1306 and 1394, Hungary in 1349 and 1360, Austria in 1421, from various places in Germany throughout the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries, from Lithuania in 1445 and 1495, Spain in 1492, Portugal in 1497, and from Bohemia and Moravia in 1744-45. Between the 15th and 18th centuries, Jews were not permitted to enter Russia, and when they were finally admitted, they were restricted to one area, the Pale of Settlement.

Parallel to these atrocities in Europe were various levels of anti-Semitism at the hands of the Arabs. From Islam’s inception in the 7th century, the Jews living in Arab countries were constantly made to feel like second-class citizens. Violent outbreaks sporadically occurred throughout the following 1300 years and reached a climax during the years 1948 and 1967. During that period, almost all of the Jews living in Aden, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Yemen, over 500,000 in all, were forced to flee, fearing for their lives, in the wake of pogroms, assaults and massacres.

Even as far away as Ethiopia, where a small community of Jews were cut off from the rest of the Jewish people for over 2000 years, we find evidence of persecution from the neighboring peoples. There has even been evidence of anti-Semitism in Japan—a country where virtually no Jews ever lived!
Jewish Persecution Timeline


Intensity:
The ultimate example is the Holocaust (acknowledged throughout the world as the ultimate manifestation of evil in all of history)—the only time an entire people (i.e., men, women and children) had a campaign of complete annihilation waged against them.


Longevity:
Most of the world’s great powers, even those with only a small percentage of Jews among them, regarded the Jews as a central enemy. This phenomenon began as early as the Greek persecutions of Jews during the Second Temple period. It continued with the late Roman Empire, the Arabs, and the Christian world for over 15 centuries (most notably with the frequent occurrence of blood libels all throughout the Middle Ages) and more recently with the Nazis and the Soviet Union, as well as the Arabs today.

FULL LIST OF EMPIRES AGAINST THE JEWS:
Egyptian Empire,
Chaldean Empire,
Babylonian Empire,
Greek Empire,
Roman Empire,
Byzantine Empire,
Spanish Empire,
Ottoman Turkish Empire,
British Empire,
Austro-Hungarian Empire,
German Empire,
French Empire,
Russia Empire,
Soviet Empire,
Nazi Empire

Irrationality:
We are the only people ever accused of “deicide” (killing a god)—this has been claimed as one of the major causes of anti-Semitism for almost 2000 years. Despite the fact that eating blood is as strong a prohibition as that against eating pork, Jews were constantly persecuted throughout the Middle Ages through blood libels, the charge that we drank the blood of non-Jewish children. We were attacked in pogroms for well-poisoning and once even for air-poisoning.

The Jews in Germany were accused of having brought Socialism and Communism to Germany, of being responsible for Germany losing World War I, and of causing the economic problems of the 1920’s. This paranoia existed in spite of the fact that the percentage of Jews in Germany at the time was only 0.8%. Many nations have even hurt themselves with their persecution of the Jews, most notably Spain (economically) and Germany (with science, culture, military, etc.).

A forgery purporting to be the conspiratorial discussions of Jewish elders plotting to take over the world, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was, next to the Bible, the best-selling book in the world during the 1920’s. It has since been printed in numerous languages. Since 1987 it is being widely distributed in Japan…

Of all the extreme fanaticism that plays havoc in man’s nature, there is none as irrational as anti-Semitism. The Jews cannot vindicate themselves in the eyes of these fanatics. If the Jews are rich, they are victims of theft and extortion. If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to gain advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared and anxious by nature or traitors to their country. If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so. - Lloyd George, 1923



Whatever we do, that is precisely what is cited as the reason for the hatred against us. At the same time that Jews in America were accused of being communists, Jews in Russia were being labeled as capitalists. The more one studies anti-Semitism, the more obvious it becomes that the innumerable “explanations” offered throughout the various societies in which Jews have resided are not reasons at all (i.e. whose absence would necessarily result in no more persecutions), but rather excuses.

But as my research into Jewish history progressed, I was surprised, depressed, and to some extent overwhelmed by the perpetual and irrational violence which pursued the Jews in every country and to almost every corner of the globe. If, therefore, persecution, expulsion, torture, humiliation, and mass murder haunt these pages, it is because they also haunt the Jewish story.
- Martin Gilbert, “Jewish History Atlas” Oxford 1985

It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews will be persecuted:

“Among those nations you shall find no respite, no rest for your foot. There God will make you cowardly, destroying your outlook and making life hopeless. You will live in constant suspense. Day and night, you will be terrified, never sure of your existence. In the morning you will say, ‘If only it were night,’ and in the evening you will say, ‘If only it were morning!’ Such will be the dread that your heart will feel and the sights that your eyes will see” (Deut. 28:65-67).

No other form of racial hatred comes close to anti-Semitism in its virulence, its intensity and its irrationality.

As Professor Michael Curtis of Rutgers University put it:

“The uniqueness of anti-Semitism lies in the fact that no other people in the world have ever been charged simultaneously with alienation from society and with cosmopolitanism, with being capitalistic exploiters and also revolutionary communist advocators. The Jews were accused of having an imperious mentality, at the same time they’re a people of the book. They’re accused of being militant aggressors, at the same time as being cowardly pacifists. With being a chosen people, and also having an inferior human nature. With both arrogance and timidity. With both extreme individualism and community adherence. With being guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus and at the same time held to account for the invention of Christianity.” (Colloquium on anti-Semitism, 1987)

If we look at the history of anti-Semitism, we see one unceasing chain of slaughter, pogroms, pillaging, expulsion, etc. There are horrendous levels of violence that lead up to the worst thing that can be done to a hated people: Genocide. Most nations in history have not been subjected to even one genocide. But in almost every generation there’s an attempted Jewish genocide somewhere in the world on a macrocosmic or microcosmic scale.
Jewish Persecution Timeline


5) Light to the Nations
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It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews would be a light unto the nations,

“I will make you into a great nation. I will bless you and make your name great. You shall become a blessing. And I will bless those who bless

Now, if you obey Me and keep my covenant, then you shall be My special treasure among all the nations for all the world is Mine. And you will be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation to Me… (Exodus 19:5-6)

The prophet Isaiah (42:6) states,

“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness, and will hold your hand and keep you. And I will establish you as a covenant of the people, for a light unto the nations.”

Despite our small numbers, the Jewish People seem to occupy a disproportionate place as a focus of world attention.

As Mark Twain wrote of the Jew:

“He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning, are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers.”

How could we imagine a small group having such a profound impact on the world all around it? The two approaches which seem to have some precedent to them are:

1) Conquest (like in the case of Greece and Rome), or
2) Proselytization (as with Christianity and Islam).

The difficulty, however, is that during the past almost 2,000 years, the Jewish people have rarely had an army, and have always shied away from conversions.

Despite being the most hated people, few in number and dispersed across the globe, Jews are the most influential people the world has known. Jews are responsible for the idea of ethical monotheism and the absolute moral standard that comes from a belief in one God.

Before the Jews, the ancient world thought that infanticide was morally correct (even Aristotle wrote in favor of it.) Before the Jews came along, the world thought that “might was right.”

It was the Jewish people that gave the world the ideas of respect for life, peace, equality, justice, love of neighbor, social responsibility, and holiness of human purpose.

Approximately three billion people (almost half the world) believes in some form of monotheism, and all agree that they got it from us (i.e. from Abraham). This is the clear prerequisite to both morality and civilization in the world.

All throughout the world, many of the major concepts within Judaism have been widely accepted:

1.We are all “children of one G-d”, therefore we have a fundamental social responsibility towards others. This leads directly to “love your neighbor” (Leviticus 19:18)—a Jewish, not a Christian idea.
2.Society must be committed to truth, justice, fair trials, etc.
3.All people have free will and unlimited potential for greatness. “All men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” (Declaration of Independence). This may be why the Talmud mandated universal education about 2,000 years ago, while the rest of the world has only incorporated this into their society within the last 100 years.
4.We should seek peace, not war. Today, on the wall outside the United Nations, the hope of the world is emblazoned, using the words of the Jewish prophet Isaiah: “And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks, nations shall not lift up sword against nations. Neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4) (click here for picture)
One might ask, “Aren’t these ideas intuitively obvious? How can we take credit for them? Didn’t other societies also have them?” The point being made is the following—we are the only society which doesn’t merely posses the ideas, but has a complete system for implementing them. Our society, in fact, was the only one until very recently which even attempted to actually put them into practice. It is very significant to note that many of these ideas were only accepted recently by the Western world—where our influence has been strongest, and are still not accepted in many areas of the rest of the world—where our influence has been more minimal.
A very fundamental question could be asked on everything which has been said within this prophecy until now: The prophecy is that the Jewish people will be a light unto the nations; all that has been shown until now, however, could be viewed as merely showing that the Torah alone has been a light unto the nations. Where do we have any indication that the Jewish people themselves, independent from Judaism, have an intrinsic ability to strongly impact the world? In other words, maybe there is nothing particularly distinctive about Jews themselves. Perhaps, it is only because the Jews have been in possession of such an extraordinary book, the Torah, that their impact upon the world has been so profound!

The difficulty with attempting to answer this question is that all throughout history, Jews have been so intrinsically connected with the Torah. It would seem that the only way to evaluate this would be to do an experiment in which we separated Jews from Judaism. We could then determine if Jews continued behaving in an extraordinary manner (although not necessarily in accordance with Torah guidelines) or simply faded into the background and acted like all other people.

This experiment has already been performed for us. Over the past 150 years, for the first time in all of Jewish history, we have Jews entirely disconnected from Judaism. What then do we find when we study the behavior of these first truly secular Jews?

The Wall Street Journal ran a 3-part series a few years ago on the three individuals that in their view had the greatest impact on the entire 20th century. Who do you think they selected? Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein, and Karl Marx. How likely is it that all three would turn out to be Jewish? Considering that the Jews have never (in recent times) exceeded 1/2 of 1% of the world population, that means that for every Jew that lived within the previous 150 years, there were over 200 non-Jews. Therefore the odds against the first of these three occupying this position of ultimate influence on the world were 200 to 1, the second joining him were 40,000 to 1, and the third being there as well, were 8,000,000 to 1.

Remarkably, Jews have received almost one-fifth of all Nobel prizes awarded since 1901. This is all the more striking when one considers that it was as recently as the middle of the 19th century that Jews were first given the ability to attend universities and enter many different professions, especially in the various sciences!
Jews continue to be exceptionally committed to education. In America, they are twice as likely to attend college as non-Jews. At Ivy League schools, about 23% of students are Jewish, even though Jews comprise just 2% of the U.S. population, according to Hillel. In numerous top colleges, Jews comprise in excess of 30% of the student population. At least 35% of Washington students and about 30% of Emory students are Jewish, even though these are in the south, with traditionally low Jewish student populations. In 2002, the Wall Street Journal reported that many colleges were actively recruiting Jews to their ranks. This encluded Vanderbilt where Jewish enrollment had gone up from 2% in the 70’s to 4% in the 2000s. Princeton in the 1980s cultivated ties with predominantly Jewish high schools by offering merit scholarships to their graduates. One third of the University of Pennsylvania’s student body is Jewish.

Jews are prominently in the forefront pushing for social change:

1) Many of the top leaders of both the Russian and Hungarian revolutions were Jewish.

2) Approximately 60% of the members of the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society)—the major student activist organization of the 1960’s, were Jews. The two most well-known student activists of the 1960’s, Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin, were both Jews. In fact, a survey by the American Council of Education in 1966-7 stated that “the best single predictor of campus protest (during the 1960’s) was the presence of a substantial number of students from Jewish backgrounds.”

3) In 1967, 40% of all Peace Corps volunteers were Jewish.

4) In careers: Jews in the USA are over represented in proportion to the general population by 231% in medicine, 233% in mathematics, 265% in law, 300% in dentistry, and 479% in psychiatry.

5) In income: Jews in the USA have the highest income of any ethnic group, 72% above the average and 40% higher than the second highest group, the Japanese.

The Gemara says that Jews are more driven for meaning than non-Jews. It is this extraordinary drive for meaning which seems to be the common denominator for all of these many differences in the behavior of even secular Jews. Whether meaning is understood in terms of science, education, desire for social change, idealism, a prestigious profession, or just money—Jews are clearly more determined and able to achieve a remarkable level of success than the general non-Jewish population around them. One thing which is abundantly clear—this phenomenon of uniqueness is just as much a function and a statement of the Jewish people themselves as it is about the Torah.

more on the Jewish impact on the world


6) The Interdependency of the Jewish People and the Land of Israel
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It has been prophesied in the Torah that the land of Israel was rich and fertile while the Jews were living there:

“I have come down to rescue them from Egypt’s power. I will bring them out of that land, to a good, spacious land, to a land flowing with milk and honey…”
(Exodus 3:Cool

Even up until the time of Josephus (i.e. approximately 1300 years later), it was still very prosperous and fertile.

For the whole area is excellent for crops or pasturage and rich in trees of every kind, so that by its fertility it invites even those least inclined to work on the land. In fact, every inch of it has been cultivated by the inhabitants and not a parcel goes to waste. It is thickly covered with towns, and thanks to the natural abundance of the soil, the many villages are so densely populated that the smallest of them has more than fifteen thousand inhabitants.
(Josephus, The Jewish Wars; Book III 3:2 Penguin edition, p. 192)

And when they were exiled, it would become barren and desolate:

“So devastated will I leave the land that your enemies who live there will be astonished… Your land will remain desolate, and your cities in ruins.”
(Leviticus 26:32-33)

During the two thousand years of Israel’s exile from its Land, numerous empires have conquered the Land and countless wars were fought for its possession. And yet, astonishingly, no conqueror ever succeeded in permanently settling the Land or causing the deserts to blossom.

Mark Twain, who visited Israel in 1867, describes the Land of Israel:

“We traversed some miles of desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given wholly to weeds - A silent, mournful expanse… A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action . The further we went the hotter the sun got and the more rocky and bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became.”
(“The Innocents Abroad” Vol. II)

Others make similar observations:

Outside the walls of Jerusalem however we saw no living being, heard no living voice. We encountered that desolation and that deadly silence which we would have expected to find at the ruined gates of Pompey… A total eternal dread spell envelopes the city, the highways and the villages… the burial grounds of an entire people.
Alfons de Lamartine, “Recollections of the East” Volume I London (1845) pg. 238 (Hebrew-French)

Until today no people has succeeded in establishing national dominion in the land of Israel… No national unity or spirit of nationalism has acquired any hold there. The mixed multitude of itinerant tribes that managed to settle there did so on lease, as temporary residents. It seems that they await the return of the permanent residents of the land.

Professor Sir John William Dosson in “Modern Science in Bible Lands” London (1888) Pp. 449-450

The Ramban comments on Leviticus 26:32

Similarly, that which He stated here, and your enemies that shall dwell therein shall be desolate in it, constitutes a good tiding, proclaiming that during all our exiles, our Land will not accept our enemies. This also is a great proof and assurance to us, for in the whole inhabited part of the world one cannot find such a good and large Land which was always lived in and yet is as ruined as it is [today], for since the time that we left it, it has not accepted any nation or people, they all try to settle it, but to no avail.

The “land of milk and honey” turning into a desert, is a phenomenon unique in the annals of history.


7) The Return of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel
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It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews would be exiled from the land and that they would return to the land:

And it shall come to pass when these things shall come upon you, the blessing and the curse that I have placed before you, you will take it to heart amongst all of the nations where God has scattered you; you will return to the Lord your God and you will listen to His voice according to all that I am commanding you today, you and your children with all of your heart and with all of your soul. Then the Almighty will bring back your captivity and have mercy upon you; and He will return and gather you from among all of the nations where he has dispersed you. If your dispersed ones will be even at the ends of the heavens, from there God Almighty will gather you and from there He will take you. And God your Lord will bring you to the land that your fathers inherited and you shall inherit it and He will do good for you and make you more numerous than your forefathers. (Deuteronomy 30:1-5)

No other people has ever gone into exile and survived for thousands of years to come back to re-establish a national homeland. The return of the Jews from exile to the land of Israel was nothing short of a miracle.

However, not only was the physical return of the Jewish people prophesied, the re-blossoming of the land was as well.

As for you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and bear your fruit for My people Israel, for their return is close at hand. For behold, I am with you and I shall turn to you; then you shall be tilled and sown. And I will multiply men upon you, the entire family of Israel… Then I will multiply men and animals upon you, and they shall increase and be fruitful. I shall cause you to be inhabited as in your former times and I will make you even more bountiful than you were in your beginnings. You shall know that I am G-d.

Ezekiel 36:8-11

As long as Israel does not dwell on its Land, the Land does not give of her produce as she is accustomed. When she will begin to reflourish, however, and give of her fruits in abundance, this is a clear sign that the end—the time of Redemption—is approaching, when all Israel will return to their Land.

Maharsha, R. Shmuel Eliezer Aidels (1555-1631)

Just as after the 1300 years of prosperity from when the Jewish people first entered Israel from Egypt, we’d have expected this fertility to have continued, after almost 2000 years of desolation, we’d certainly expect this to continue as well. Either—even a good land would be ruined by then, OR—if the land was still good, wouldn’t we figure that someone else would have been able to have made it work before almost 2,000 years had gone by?!


Conclusion
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When we look at Jewish history, we see a history where the Jewish people have defied the laws of nature and the laws of history! We have survived and impacted this world though we have been thrown out of our land not once, but twice! We have impacted the world perhaps more than any other people in history—the concepts of the value of human life, universal education, justice and equality, the importance of and goal of world peace (as opposed to glorifying war), the importance of a strong stable family as a basis for a moral foundation for society, individual and national responsibility for the world—though we were beaten, killed and exiled from one nation to the other. Though few in number and spread to the four corners of the earth, we survived as a people, never assimilating into anonymity. Even our land, the Land of Israel, defied the laws of nature, only fertile when the Jewish people inhabited it.

Coincidence? Good luck? A roll of the dice? Perhaps—except that each and every phenomena was prophesied and predicted in the Torah hundreds and thousands of years before the events. Does it make you think that perhaps something is going on here? That perhaps there is a special relationship between the Almighty and the Jewish people?

The Almighty, the Jewish people and the Torah are intertwined. In the past 3,300 years there have been effort after effort—from within as well as from without—to redefine and redirect our people. Each and every one has failed. If you wonder why, then perhaps the time has come to read the Torah and find out. The Torah is not only our heritage, it is the game plan for the Jewish people and the world.
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Post  sharky Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:08 pm

Great Thread, you have completely exposed the deceit of 'tru lily'.

Well done shipmates......
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Post  true lilly Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:35 am

Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant,
Prince of Belgium

(French: Philippe Léopold Louis Marie,
Dutch: Filip(s) Leopold Lodewijk Maria;
born 15 April 1960),
is the eldest son and heir apparent of
Albert II, King of the Belgians and Queen Paola.


House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

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The Duke of Brabant
at World Economic Forum in 2010

His godparents were his paternal grandfather,
King Leopold III of the Belgians,
and his maternal grandmother
Donna Luisa, Princess Ruffo di Calabria.

Spouse
Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
daughter of a Walloon Belgian noble family
and female line descendant of Polish noble families

such as the Princes Sapieha,
on 4 December 1999 in Brussels,
civilly at the Brussels Town Hall and
religiously at the Cathedral of Saint Michel in Brussels.


They have four children:

  • Princess Elisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, born 25 October 2001
  • Prince Gabriel Baudouin Charles Marie, born 20 August 2003
  • Prince Emmanuel Léopold Guillaume François Marie, born 4 October 2005
  • Princess Eléonore Fabiola Victoria Anne Marie, born 16 April 2008

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Prince Philippe was educated at the Belgian Royal Military School.
From 1978 to 1981 he continued his education
at Oxford University's Trinity College.
He attended Graduate School at Stanford University, California,
where he graduated in 1985 with an MA degree in Political Science.
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Greater Coat of Arms of Belgium

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Personal Standard of King Albert II.
Albert II
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King of the Belgians
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King Albert II and Queen Paola with
US President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush
at the Royal Palace in Brussels in 2005.

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King Albert II with Queen Paola,
and other royals and Heads of state,
at the funeral of Pope John Paul II.


Yves Leterme
Prime Minister of Belgium

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Incumbent
Assumed office
25 November 2009
Monarch: Albert II

Private life and hobbies
Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of goats.

He breeds goats in his private time
in the small farm where he lives.

In November 2010 the Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad
had
some more news about Yves' favorite animals:
two of his favorite goats, named Trudy and Vicky,
were to appear in a play by the local theatre society of Ypres.
The play is called 'Island of the goats'.
In an interview Yves called goats "The poor man's cow."

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Ray:
Ken, I grew up in Dublin. I love Dublin.
If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me
but I didn't, so it doesn't.

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Ray:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have the good
sense not to... hang on.

Is Belgium with all those child abuse murders
lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.

What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.

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Harry:
Not only have you refused to kill the boy,
you even stopped the boy from
killing himself,
which would've solved my problem,
which would've
solved your problem,
which sounds like it would've solved the boy's problem.
Ken:
It wouldn't have solved his problem.
Harry:
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise,
I wouldn't have thought twice.
I'd killed myself on the fucking spot.
On the fucking spot.
I would've stuck the gun in me mouth.
On the fucking spot!

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Ray:
Maybe that's what hell is,
the entire rest of eternity spent in fucking Bruges.

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Post  MoMo Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:42 am

Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland


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This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche? wave

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm wave

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http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
noway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

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Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.



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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually 1104-3 flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?
noway

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Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat wave and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)


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Twenty police injured in nuke protest
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GERMAN police say
20 policemen were injured
during clashes with protesters
ahead of the arrival of
a shipment of nuclear waste.

true lilly wrote:Nuclear waste train heads into Germany
From:AFP
November 25, 2011 9:45PM
Last Updated: November 26, 2011

THE last train carrying reprocessed nuclear waste back from France
to Germany crossed the border today after being delayed by
demonstrations and steamed towards more trouble.

The train, carrying 11 wagonloads of vitrified radioactive material,
left a siding in the station of Remilly, just outside the town of Metz
and around 30km from the German border, at 7pm (AEDT).


Several hundred French riot police had protected the train overnight, and
around 60 German officers and a French "RAID" team - a SWAT-style
special weapons squad - were on board as it resumed its journey.


The train had left a yard operated by the French nuclear giant Areva in
Valognes, in Normandy, on Wednesday, due to travel more than 1100km
across France and through Germany to the waste dump in Gorleben.


But violent anti-nuclear protests delayed its journey, and authorities
halted it overnight while trying to keep demonstrators guessing about
its eventual route across the border and back into Germany.


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Today, it finally crossed the frontier in the border town of Forbach, just south of Saarbrucken, and entered Germany.

Last November a similar controversial shipment took 91 hours to arrive at
its final destination - a day longer than planned - and it was dogged
the length of the route by French and then German protesters.


Around 50,000 activists turned out in Germany to try to disrupt the train
during that transfer, and protest organisers expect 20,000 to demonstrate
against the convoy as it nears the central town of Gorlebenlater on Friday.


Some 19,000 German officers have been deployed, and tear gas and water canon
were fired when clashes erupted overnight when a few hundred protesters tried
to block the line around 20km outside Gorleben.


Spooked by Japan's Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its
use
of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice
of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.


Anti-nuclear activists want France to follow suit and shut its reactors, an idea
firmly dismissed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose government believes
French industry is reliant on cheap nuclear-generated electricity.


There has long been widespread public opposition in Germany to nuclear power,
which environmentalists believe presents an unacceptable radioactive threat
to public health and the environment.


In March, the Japanese nuclear plant at Fukushima Daiichi was hit by an earthquake
and a tsunami, triggering a meltdown and massive radiation leak - and increasing
worldwide concerns over nuclear power.


Chancellor Angela Merkel's government agreed to halt German reactors by 2022,
forcing energy suppliers to close plants and levying a tax on fuel.


In the meantime, Germany will no longer send nuclear waste for
reprocessing in France, but will instead stockpile it until a way is
found to make it safe.


France produces 75 per cent of its electricity needs in nuclear plants - a
higher proportion than any other country - and its electricity bills are around
25 per cent cheaper than in its neighbours, a boon to industry.


German protesters are angry that Merkel's announced nuclear phase-out will
take another decade, and that there is still no permanent storage site for the waste generated in the country's reactors.
German mother
gives birth to gigantic baby,
names him 'Jihad'

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Mother Elfi holds her son Jihad at Charit Campus hospital in Berlin.
Picture: AP Sunday Herald Sun


AN obese German mother gave birth to a gigantic baby boy
without the help of a C-section, and named him
"Jihad."
The newborn -- the mother's 14th -- weighed in at 5.9kg
25 November 2011
Last updated at 21:08 GMT


Belgium credit rating downgraded by S&P
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S&P says it considers Belgian government debt
to be at "high levels"


Belgium has had its credit rating downgraded by ratings agency Standard & Poor's.

The country's downgrade could make it more expensive for Belgium to borrow in future.

Belgium's rating was cut by one notch, to AA from AA+, with S&P expressing concerns about funding and market pressures.

The move comes as the eurozone crisis threatens to keep growing, and with continued concerns over Italian debt.

"We think the Belgian government's capacity to prevent an
increase in general government debt, which we consider to be already at
high levels, is being constrained by rapid private sector deleveraging
both in Belgium and among many of Belgium's key trading partners,"
S&P said in a statement.


It also said the outlook was "negative",
meaning Belgium's rating could possibly be cut further in future.


"We need a reply that is clear and credible
if we are to avoid the worst,"

Belgium's caretaker prime minister, Yves Leterme,
told
Belgian television after S&P's announcement.


Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant,
Prince of Belgium

(French: Philippe Léopold Louis Marie,
Dutch: Filip(s) Leopold Lodewijk Maria;
born 15 April 1960),
is the eldest son and heir apparent of
Albert II, King of the Belgians and Queen Paola.


House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

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The Duke of Brabant
at World Economic Forum in 2010

His godparents were his paternal grandfather,
King Leopold III of the Belgians,
and his maternal grandmother
Donna Luisa, Princess Ruffo di Calabria.

Spouse
Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
daughter of a Walloon Belgian noble family
and female line descendant of Polish noble families

such as the Princes Sapieha,
on 4 December 1999 in Brussels,
civilly at the Brussels Town Hall and
religiously at the Cathedral of Saint Michel in Brussels.


They have four children:

  • Princess Elisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, born 25 October 2001
  • Prince Gabriel Baudouin Charles Marie, born 20 August 2003
  • Prince Emmanuel Léopold Guillaume François Marie, born 4 October 2005
  • Princess Eléonore Fabiola Victoria Anne Marie, born 16 April 2008

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Prince Philippe was educated at the Belgian Royal Military School.
From 1978 to 1981 he continued his education
at Oxford University's Trinity College.
He attended Graduate School at Stanford University, California,
where he graduated in 1985 with an MA degree in Political Science.
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Greater Coat of Arms of Belgium

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Personal Standard of King Albert II.
Albert II
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King of the Belgians
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King Albert II and Queen Paola with
US President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush
at the Royal Palace in Brussels in 2005.

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King Albert II with Queen Paola,
and other royals and Heads of state,
at the funeral of Pope John Paul II.


Yves Leterme
Prime Minister of Belgium

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Incumbent
Assumed office
25 November 2009
Monarch: Albert II

Private life and hobbies
Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of goats.

He breeds goats in his private time
in the small farm where he lives.

In November 2010 the Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad
had
some more news about Yves' favorite animals:
two of his favorite goats, named Trudy and Vicky,
were to appear in a play by the local theatre society of Ypres.
The play is called 'Island of the goats'.
In an interview Yves called goats "The poor man's cow."

True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually INBRUGES
Ray:
Ken, I grew up in Dublin. I love Dublin.
If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me
but I didn't, so it doesn't.

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Ray:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have the good
sense not to... hang on.

Is Belgium with all those child abuse murders
lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.

What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.

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Harry:
Not only have you refused to kill the boy,
you even stopped the boy from
killing himself,
which would've solved my problem,
which would've
solved your problem,
which sounds like it would've solved the boy's problem.
Ken:
It wouldn't have solved his problem.
Harry:
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise,
I wouldn't have thought twice.
I'd killed myself on the fucking spot.
On the fucking spot.
I would've stuck the gun in me mouth.
On the fucking spot!

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Ray:
Maybe that's what hell is,
the entire rest of eternity spent in fucking Bruges.

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Belgian parties reach 2012 budget deal
by:By Roddy Thomson
From:
AAP
November 27, 2011 1:00AM

BELGIAN politicians reached a deal on the 2012 budget today,
ending a 19-month deadlock that had prevented the formation
of a stable government and led to a debt downgrade,
a negotiator said.

"There is an agreement," said a spokesman for the French-speaking socialists,
one of six parties in the linguistically-divided country
that had been struggling
to reconcile spending cuts with tax rises.


The accord, reached after 17 hours of negotiations, opens the way to
forming a new government
after 19 months in caretaker management.


Friday night's downgrade by ratings giant Standard and Poor's, which saw
Belgium drop by one notch to AA, piled pressure on the parties to
reconcile spending cuts with tax rises to avoid EU penalties next month.


Internal pressure, though, was at least matched by external strains among wider
eurozone leaders, two weeks from a crunch summit dogged by mounting doubts
over their ability to resolve the debt crisis.


Related Coverage

  • Belgium brokers budget deal Herald Sun, 1 hour ago
  • Belgium dragged into crisis The Australian, 1 hour ago
  • Belgian parties fail again to form government Herald Sun, 4 days ago
  • Help us help you, Greece told Herald Sun, 7 Nov 2011
  • Powers struggle to contain their rage Foundation, 3 Nov 2011

With a national debt worth almost one year's economic output, which
threatens to crush the country with the onset of recession, outgoing
Prime Minister Yves Leterme had made it clear he feared a rout

when markets reopen on Monday if a way forward was not agreed.


"It is blindingly obvious, we have to send a very clear signal... preferably
before the markets open,"
Mr Leterme had said in a live national
television interview before a shocked Belgian people.


The parties had to work out how to trim 11.3 billion euros ($15.58 billion)
off the deficit next year and about 20 billion euros ($27.58 billion) in all
by 2015.


The ultimatum came days after Mr Leterme's expected successor,
Elio Di Rupo, offered his resignation to Belgium's king,

frustrated at the failure of six-party talks to agree on a
deficit-cutting 2012 budget to avoid EU sanctions.


Albert II rejected the offer and sent Di Rupo back to work.


The ratings blow underlined a sharp escalation of the debt crisis
in a week in which even Germany struggled to raise finance.


Concern is growing that the euro currency, in the absence of
radical pan-eurozone action, is close to breaking point.


"The ability of authorities to respond to potential economic pressures from
inside and outside of Belgium... in our opinion is constrained by the
repeated failure of attempts to form a new government," the S&P
statement said.


After Greek, Portuguese and Irish bailouts, and
with Italy, Spain and France now under pressure,
it was more bad news for leaders struggling
in the absence of a European Central Bank
decision to mount a gigantic financial rescue.


The European Commission has repeatedly urged Belgium
to bring its public deficit below 3.0 per cent of GDP by 2012 -
or face a fine of about half a billion euros.


Finance Minister Didier Reynders blamed the downgrade on a
"global loss of confidence" in eurozone public finances,
while insisting that Belgium's creditworthiness remained
"one of the strongest in Europe".


Analysts said the news had wider significance.

"Belgium is the symbolic buffer
between the eurozone periphery and its core,
so this is a sign that the crisis -
slowly, but surely -

is striking at the heart of Europe,"

Sony Kapoor, head of the Re-Define think tank, told AFP.
___________________________________________________

Tourist killed, 3 kidnapped in Mali
by:By Baba Ahmed in Bamako
From:
AP
November 26, 2011
6:58AM

GUNMEN burst into a restaurant
in Mali's most famous city of Timbuktu overnight,
grabbed four tourists dining there and executed one
when he refused to climb into their truck,
said a witness and an official who inspected the body.

The armed men entered the Amanar restaurant around 2.30pm on Friday
local time and pointed their guns at four tourists dining inside, said
Moussa Boubacar, a client at the restaurant.

The four followed the gunmen outside, but when the gunmen tried to
make them enter a vehicle, one of the tourists refused, Boubacar said.

The kidnappers opened fire, killing him on the spot, Boubacar said.

Their nationalities could not immediately be confirmed, but witnesses describe them
as European.


Dramane Diallo, the regional director of Timbuktu's civil protection division,
said that he rushed to the scene and found the corpse of an elderly white man,
who locals said was the tourist that had refused to enter the car.

Related Coverage

  • Niger attacks al-Qaeda militants The Daily Telegraph, 16 Sep 2011
  • 32 of Gaddafi's inner circle in Niger The Australian, 13 Sep 2011
  • Today's history on this day Herald Sun, 18 Aug 2011
  • Twenty killed in al-Qaeda raid Herald Sun, 6 Jul 2011
  • African al-Qaeda camp destroyed Herald Sun, 25 Jun 2011

Until a few years ago, Timbuktu was one of the most visited
destinations in Africa, but it is now one of the many former tourist
hotspots in Mali that have been deemed too dangerous to visit by foreign
embassies because of kidnappings by the local chapter of al-Qaeda.


The incident overnight comes after two French citizens were grabbed
in the middle of the night
from their hotel
in the Malian town of Hombori
on Thursday.


Neither kidnapping has yet been claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
or AQIM, whose members
have kidnapped and ransomed over 50 Europeans and
Canadians since 2003.


If Friday's kidnapping is by AQIM, it will mark the first time they have taken
a hostage inside of Timbuktu's city limits. Thursday's kidnapping would be
another first - the first time they have grabbed their victim south of the Niger River.

The group's footprint has grown dramatically since 2006, when the Algerian-led cell
first joined al-Qaeda. Security experts estimate the group has been able to raise around $US130 million ($134.04 million) from ransom payments alone.
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The extent of the Mali Empire's peak
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"One people, one goal, one faith"
An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim
(mostly Sunni and Sufi),

approximately 5% are Christian
(about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant)
and the remaining 5% adhere to
indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.

Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians,
most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.


TWITTERING IDIOTS!!!
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'China down'
Jon Huntsman said to "take China down"

Jon Huntsman : Take China down.

Huntsman, former US Ambassador to China,
made following comments in candidate debate :

......


So what should we be doing?
We should be reaching out to OUR ALLIES and
CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN CHINA.

They're called the young people.
They're called the internet generation.
There are 500 million internet users in China.
And 80 million bloggers.
And they are bringing about change,
the likes of which is gonna TAKE CHINA DOWN.
While we have an opportunity
to go up and win back
our economic manufacturing muscles.
Rolling Eyes
Huntsman, China
_____________________________________________

Paul Twomey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Paul Twomey 2007


Paul Twomey
was the Chief Executive Officer and President of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) from March 2003 to June 2009.
ICANN is the chief rule-making body
for internet policy worldwide.


Following a private-sector role as
a consultant for McKinsey & Company,
Dr Twomey held executive positions
within the Australian Government's
foreign trade organisation Austrade.

His role there included working on
strategic development and European markets.


He was appointed Chief Executive Officer of the
National Office for the Information Economy
(NOIE) in 1997,

a Commonwealth Government unit
responsible for developing Internet policy.


His involvement with ICANN began at this time.
Subsequently he chaired the ICANN
Government Advisory Committee,[1]
which served as the organisation's
liaison with world governments.


Following his departure from NOIE,
Dr Twomey created a consultancy
with Ira Magaziner
(Domestic Policy Adviser
to former US President Bill Clinton)
called Argo P@cific.[2]


He continued to serve on the ICANN GAC until November 2002,
through an ongoing posting as external advisor to
Australia's Commonwealth Government.


Dr Twomey is a member of the
British-North American Committee.


He also serves on the board of directors of the
Atlantic Council of the United States
and chairs the World Economic Forum's
Global Agenda Council on the Future of the Internet.


He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from University of Queensland,
a Master of Arts from Pennsylvania State University
and a PhD from Cambridge University.


On 27 March 2003 he was elected to his current position at ICANN.

On 2 March 2009, during the opening ceremony of
ICANN's 34th international meeting in Mexico City,
Dr Twomey mentioned that he would be leaving ICANN in June
while remaining as Senior President until the end of the year.
[3]

His name has recently been mentioned in relation to
the Commonwealth Government's proposed
National Broadband Network.

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HUNDREDS of tax dodgers caught and convicted
as the ATO warns:
"if you do the crime, you will face the consequences".
Vatican checked in laundering probe
From:AFP
November 27, 2011
3:19AM
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The Vatican has been assessed to determine if it has tightened its regulations
to prevent money laundering.

Picture: Supplied Source: Supplied


COUNCIL of Europe inspectors have visited the Vatican to monitor its plans to tighten money laundering regulations.

The group from the Moneyval committee "met with representatives of
Vatican authorities dealing with the issue of prevention and fight
against money laundering and terrorist financing," a statement from the
Vatican said.


The group, composed of legal, financial and law enforcement experts
from five countries, arrived on Monday and left overnight, the statement said.


They are expected to present a report with their findings at a plenary session
of Moneyval "presumably in the middle of 2012," the Vatican said.


Pope Benedict XVI last December created a new financial authority
following an embarrassing investigation of Vatican bank officials by Italy.


The Vatican also approved a law from April imposing sentences of
up to 12 years in prison for money laundering
and 15 years for terrorist financing.


Related Coverage

  • National threat from money launderers Courier Mail, 7 Nov 2011
  • Ireland closes Vatican embassy Foundation, 4 Nov 2011
  • Pope follows tricky interfaith path The Daily Telegraph, 26 Oct 2011
  • Vaticans urges major economic reform Courier Mail, 24 Oct 2011
  • Irish PM blasts Vatican over child abuse The Australian, 21 Jul 2011

In September last year,
Italian authorities launched an investigation into
and seized assets linked to
the Institute for Religious Works (IOR) -
the official name of the Vatican bank -
for alleged violation of money-laundering
rules.


The Vatican has also been excluded from an international "white list"
of countries compliant with strict financial controls.

The new financial authority is aimed at
bringing the Holy See in line with new global standards.
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el kabong wrote:Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland


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This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche? wave

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm wave

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http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
noway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

thinking hmm noway

Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.



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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, True Lilly will FAIL to speak truthfully/factually 1104-3 flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?
noway

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Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat wave and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)
Great Post el kabong. thumbs up cheers
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