Nurses gagged, afraid of management

true lilly wrote:'Management',
includes those In Charge of Admissions.

You know, those with The Power to Decide, who DOES
and who DOESN'T "qualify" for things like X-Rays of
Twice, Severely Battered Heads and Broken bones,
(let alone treatment of such crippling injuries), and who
Have The Power TO OPENLY STEAL FROM ONES HANDBAG,
THE ANTIBIOTICS PUT THERE BY THE TREATING DOCTOR,
AFTER HE PERSONALLY ADMINISTERED The First Dose
(usually the nurses job), BECAUSE HE KNEW "THEY"
(the 'Management' Nurse), WERE COUNTERMANDING
HIS, THE DOCTORS ORDERS.

In that case, another prescription for those antibiotics,
arrived in the mail, with no note, cover letter or mention
of the source, some days later, when the pleurisy CAUSED
by the damage of a 20 minute Gang Bashing, had almost
become pneumonia.

And that one Management Nurse, 'just happens' to be
friends with those who, twice, beat me into hospital...
go figure...

Billy Ruben wrote:

True Lilly wrote:


"Snappy" the croc has no one to blame but himself
for changing colour after biting off more than he could chew,
his owner says. Picture: Alex Coppel
Read More


"Snappy" the crocodile. Picture: Alex Coppel
Herald Sun


Tracey Sandstrom from Roaming Reptiles with
her crocodile "Snappy". Picture: Alex Coppel
Herald Sun



...but be buggered if I'm going to try to explain it to the trolls

Well,Mrs News-anchor,you did'nt explain it too well for your dedicated readers either.Nor did you offer an update,why was the croc,gold in colour.It was bathing in it's own shit for months,due to a blocked/broken filter.Shit backed up the filter and the scales absorbed the Biliruben out of that shit,giving a gold/orange hue....but Nah! that won't fit into your manic desperation of connecting dots when there's no dots to connect.

Like I said before,it's a Croc....a Croc of shit!!!! ROFLMAO

Billy Ruben wrote:admit it,your competitive side gets the better of you.You're just spamming shit for your post count,eh?I mean,how many times have we got to see the same pictures of a gold coloured croc.Actually,your threads are a croc..croc of shit.So uncreative,so boring.Why persist?
You got it good in a way,Suzy,admin won't do it's job here,but the only time you get reads,is for the firm rebuttals offered by Sods inhabitants.The LULZ,not your "Life Saving Word"...Grrrrrrrr!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:Queen to visit Melbourne

Lucy Carne
THE Queen is making a brief visit to Melbourne
next month
during her first visit to Australia is six years.

Not visiting Ballarat/Wendouree West,to thank you and knight you personally,for single handedly saving her corporate interest in Australia,from the Orange Order and the International Terrorist known as Tintin?...Just curious

Did'nt like that one either...hehehehe,I don't care,I don't write for you to answer.

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

Ciggy wrote:You're a conspiracy guru wannabe, lulzy. But not even Icke fans are fooled by you.

niether was Ballarat Police as it turns out...

Now that yer back,where do we...ummm...network for young horny run-away 15 year old girls around here...that's right,in a True Lilly thread...I'm up for it.

16 in my jurisdiction. Make em hallucinate that we're that werewolf dude from Twilight. Shrooms and fake eyebrows should do it.

Yeah I know Guv'nor,I just want to back up her shameless slander that we were hunting for children,instead of young,vibrant and consenting ladies,of legal age.A bottle of buorbon should help with the hallucinations,and make them more open to trans-species love,shrooms,will probably freak them out.Trans-species,well,I mean a girl and a furrie...not the lonely curious farm-girl,on a property,where lots of breeding going on,alone,with her horse and very obedient ridgeback dog,dandelions float in the breeze swept hill-side,sun melting into her skin,an intact hymen and burning passion that she does'nt understand....

And the other horrible truth to it..."I'm 15 and I'm a Playa"...*Check this out.

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:And for those wondering what these last few posts of mine have to do with the topic title;
well, without explaining what I said I wouldn't, I will remind readers that,
we are in a very bloody, INFORMATION WAR,
in which those who have NO UNDERSTANDING,
such as those who BELIEVE, FOLLOW and WORSHIP
the Julian ASS-ANGE'S, "tintin's" and David Ickes of
the world, ARE ON THE LOSING SIDE.

Fair enough,those are human examples,but you represent 2,000 years of fallacy and failure and yet,you wish us to persist with the current model.Of failure.No Suzy,you're on the losing team and the quicker your kind fall away,the better.

Was it my "turd in the swimming pool" type of question did'nt sit to well with you,that your poor attempt to spam over the top and bury the embarressing coloured fonts?

Billy Ruben wrote:Everytime she posts,tiny little demons get excited,at the chance for more mischief

true lilly wrote:HSU boss to take leave amid fraud claims

5:47PM
Andrew Clennell
HEALTH Services Union boss Michael Williamson
steps down amid an independent inquiry
into the alleged misuse of credit cards.

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo

Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.

Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?

Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk you're yet again, raising your favourite topic.

Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.

Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.

So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

I was going to threaten your life on this post...even felt like carrying it out.I'm really good at what I do.

I can understand why people want to bash you senseless and why you drive people to do it.You hate yourself so much,you'd loved to be killed off,just so you don't have to tolerate yourself no further.

Fuck You slag...and I mean that.
Sam can't have sexual intercourse anymore,did you know that,filthbag.Do you know why I buy pot every fortnight,so it lowers her pain that we can have a little fun.She even told me to find a lover,fucktard,she just does'nt want to know...and I don't like the guilt,cause I just want her,shitbag.I did'nt tell the forum that,cause of the way liars like True Lilly and JD/John Drake,lie and twist the truth for their own satisfaction.

My niece is a beautiful,slightly niave (Not anymore I'd say) innocent young lady that did'nt know what she was feeling.And wrong,you evil slut,I'd be more interested in my niece as she grows older...not younger.My last two lovers,was over 53,one I liked,the other I blew in 45 seconds,twice,to get away from her,new age fucktard,as delusional and a liar like you.And I just met two mid twenties women in East Maitland who'd like a little male in their lesbo action...fuckyou,I'm going to suck the both of them off as C jacks me off over both their tits...and I'm going to love it.No cum in pussy,I'm not stupid.

Even you know this is a pathetic lie you sprout,so desperate.And when I post your PM for Ciggy and all to see how you fucked over your own for the love of God,I'm sure people will get the message,how fucked in the head you are.

And I just released this information,just to fuck you up...and show,that at least,I'm not afraid of the truth about ourselves.Where others may think I'm joking about your beastiality during your teens...NO,I FUCKING MEAN IT...I'VE MET THE REAL DEALS...AND THEY SOUND LIKE YOU,COMPLETE LIARS ABOUT OTHERS SEXUALITY TO COVER FOR THEIR OWN DEVIOUS SICKNESS,YOU SUZY RYAN,PREFER DOG-KNOT,THAN THE COMPANY OF MEN...FUCK YOU

Billy Ruben wrote:aND i WAS JOKING ABOUT cIGGIES NIECE.i WAS HONOURED HE'D TRUST ME...(ooops,caps-lock,not screaming now)...with a photo,after we had a bit of a strained relationship,from last year.

Even my beef with Limelady and Boots,I never once,shared the photos I have about them,nor have I ever showed anyone,BUT SAM,the photo of Ciggies niece.Even if he fucked me over tomorrow I would'nt show it.Why screw over someone I never met or have a beef with.

I really like the eyes and face...and yes,the rest of her too Ciggy.She looks approachable,friendly and easy to talk to.The sort of person you keep,as loved,than just plough away into.

She's beautiful and classy and Ciggy is lucky to know her.And I'm lucky enough,to be shown a picture.Why did he show me,family respect and love,genetics,sociable chat,learn new things...you idiot plonker,hate you,but not with the fury I once had,nor are you worth cursing,leaving you to exist with that schizoid mind of yours,is the cruellest of all acts I could do,besides upload your bedroom antics.

Might have a chat with Jill McDonald about you later...enjoy.

Billy Ruben wrote:what a schizoid lying plonker...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW LET'S SEE THE TRUTH...

Billy Ruben wrote:


AND YEAH,YEAH,I KNOW SOD HATES THIS TACTIC AND MY ANSWER IS TOUGH-LUCK,SHE STARTED IT...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:Well,
folks at home,you're reading the words of a Baby-F*cker.
Myself,David Icke,Tintin/Cruise.Mr Van Der Plooge,we all f*ck babies...cause we spammed True Lilly's threads.
It's true,because True Lilly says so.
So,I went to the thread,the first one,where Ciggy and I,were networking her threads,to pick up,incestuous and child lovers.
The fear set in,that this hick inbred town,may finally accept me as one of their own,if Lillys' "truth" be known.
So,I went through half the thread,nope,no kiddie fuckin' there,but what was discovered was very interesting.

Lilly,is a reptilian and a faith healer to boot...



in this post,Lilly admits she's had offspring both human and alien...and with a touch,she can bring people back to life.

I think down at the local church or CWA meeting,they might refer to you as a witch or sorceress and you might not be so warmly received next time you're down there...they're s superstitious lot those old ladies,with trays of scones and well brewed tea...

Tales of your human son,being bought back to life with a touch from you,well,frankly,can only be done by those in league with the devil,unless you're Jesus,he's the only one allowed to do magic and healing in the old bible,without being burnt at the stake.

Lucky,that icon I gave you for your phone number was accurate and not done in spite...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:I would have had to believed and trusted 'David Icke'='tintin',
to be betrayed.

But all of you have betrayed each other, by believing and
trusting each other's lies and delusions.

btw, thanks, all of you, for straining to make the current
plot so clear...otherwise it may only have been seen as
the concerns of a loving mother.

But now they all know who would rush to ill planned war,
and that their very personal motives, serve neither side.

Could there be anything more idiotic, than pissing off,
both, God and The Beast?

Yes.

Denying The Holy Spirit.

well Lilly,I will hate doing this...and I'm not supporting Sod against you,but here goes.

Sod/Jewlian supported you for more than a year.He endorses your threads,he adds good conversation to your knowledge,despite the Punkrock and a little social drug taking,that could get out of control (listening there old boy),he digs Jesus and God.So do you,in a special way.
He never hacked your post and threads,he was surprised to find it limited,you were the only one to go that far.The only one,besides Palomino to stay by your side...he stuck it out,even though you bagged him publicly...don't say I don't notice,I do.I bagged the shit out of him,some true,some I suspected.If he was honest back then,he would get the respect I give naturally,UNTIL I'm so insulted...by people like yourself.
GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
He's more your mate than anybody around here and you should recognise that,without going on about the bullshit.You know the day your net kept dropping out,so was mine,at the same time,I rang my ISP and it was a Nationwide hub problem or something like that.

That's why I go your throat,you talk shit,convince yourself it's real,then hammer on about it ad nauseum.

Here's my little secret you always fail...you never admit you're wrong...You know,instead of ruining all my work with Reptiles and Occults,when I was wrong,I admitted my shortness of knowledge on the subject,still do,I know a percentage of "their stuff"...which is more than most ever do...but,the souls path,kharma,action and consequences...I'm very good at...I never wanted this fight with you Suzy...
never do start it,but sometimes...and I hate it...sometimes,I'm used to wake some people up...you are very stubborn...and anger me easy.
Lies,I hate...I did lie in that Tiswas thread,but admitted to doing it,before I did,I announced my intention to lie...not much of a liar,am I.

One lie,cost me 4 years,of feeling like shit,cause I should've spoke up for the 10 year old girl...I did'nt,cause I knew both parents...scum of the Earth...Cops would probably talk the kid into framing me...So it was violence or nothing.Colin was my boss,friend,but know him well,go him violence,same with me,you better do the job there and then.

I had no choice in the end...

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:Well, 'YOU SICK MOB' WILL KEEP ADVERTISING HOW & FROM WHOM
'YOU' GET 'YOUR' "influence" & "power", but then
'YOU' BITCH LIKE THE GUTLESS EVIL TURDS 'YOU' ARE
when someone OUTSIDE 'YOUR' SICK CIRCLES, joins in 'YOUR' PERPETUAL
'CONversations', to CON MORE INTO THOSE SATANIC CIRCLES.



But keep it up, 'they' DESERVE TO BE OUTED BY 'YOU'!

Tuesday, 20 October 2009

Parents sell virgins aged 12 for sex



BRITISH virgin girls as young as 12

are being sold to mega-rich Arabs for sex
at up to £50,000 a time.

Arrests ... Vice Squad cops from Scotland Yard nicked gang
secretly filmed offering virgins for sex

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo



Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.

Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?



Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk you're yet again, raising your favourite topic.



Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.

Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.

So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

true lilly wrote:

And 'Ciggy', 'You',

shouldn't confuse folk by comparing them to
American Trailer Trash parks...







..or those in "tintin" aka 'AARNOUT'S' Amsterdam...

Location:Europe Netherlands Amsterdam
Zeeburg
Downloadable by: friends of aarnoot













Garden of Eden Caravan Park

true lilly wrote:...and 'Ciggy' even tried very hard
to CONvince folk to MOVE TO MEXICO...
to 'get away from' TSHTF in America...



Major Violent Mexican Drug Cartel Member
Nabbed in (at a mobile home park south of
the Orange County seat.), Orange Co
North Carolina!! June 20, 2011



http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/ruelas-45095-county-cocaine.html

HILLSBOROUGH — An alleged cocaine dealer

reputedly linked to one of
Mexico’s most violent drug cartels

has been arrested in a joint
federal-county law enforcement operation

at a mobile home park south of
the Orange County seat.



FEMA Trailer Park Residents

)
ATTACK

true lilly wrote:Oh, a little detail I left out:

the person targeted by the first car bomb,
is a respectable and respected, Servant of The Court.

But don't worry about us, I also Raised them to abhor vengeance.
It's One of the reasons she is so liked and respected by her peers.

Doing Justice, Protecting the weak, Speaking for the voiceless,
Caring for the fatherless, and other such Christian Values,
such as working to make bad things better, rather that being bitter,
is what drew her to scholarship her way through Law.

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:First intelligent news you've reported in years.Even a crackpot like you,gets the idea,the way forward,is to mimic,re-create,natural phenomenon and physics,don't expect me to agree to often though,way ahead of you madam.Were you ever familiar with the wide-bodied aircraft designs of Brunelli?Much safer,fuel efficient and need shorter runways,but do go on madam,I'm sure you won't understand this screen capture,nor did the hospitsl porter niether.

Of course 'Billy Ruben',
who BOASTS of LUSTING AFTER CHILDREN, and
USING PART Aboriginal blood and MENTAL 'illness'
to GET AWAY WITH CRIMINAL ACTS
WOULD POST THAT HERE,
where I post SERIOUS NEWS Like THIS:

You do not post serious news,you make baseless slander,then post news items supporting your slander.So,I get away with crimes do I,spose you were disappointed with Taree Polices lack of will,eh?I know you've been up to dirty tricks,but they don't work,do they.Niether do mine either.Cause you'd be in a psyche ward by now.You need assessment and care.

Billy Ruben wrote:I want an answer true Lilly,why does Atlantabizgirl cover up for baby rapist???

Billy Ruben wrote:

True Lilly wrote:
And Moderator

atlantabizgal, QUACKS LIKE THE QUACKS WHO
FUCK, TORTURE and COVER UP FOR OTHERS
WHO FUCK and TORTURE BABIES.

See, "THEY" ALL AVOID THE FACT, that,
LIKE CORI,
THAT CHILD RAPIST BOASTED OF HIS EVILS,
TO HIS FELLOW VIOLENT CRIMINALS,
that HE KNEW, PUNISH CHILD RAPISTS.

Which means only two things:
1- he believed he was "untouchable".
A valuable lesson for all such fools.

2- he didn't want to live with himself anymore.
He got the (temporary) relief he begged for.

That's a pretty big call dragging the new kid on the block,labelling Atlantabizgirl a baby rapist,now how did she earn your wrath today.Did she say something to an evil sockpuppet you have hidden at DIF,was there unwarranted spam,in the form of a valid question?
Please,enthrall me with your conclusion and reasons...

Billy Ruben wrote:atlantabizgal
Moderator


Look at those eyes,how could you say these things True Lilly,there will be tears spilled for this,mark my words...

True Lilly,you just can't say these things about anybody that takes your displeasure,which,as it turns out,is very easy to do.But just because you had a bad uncle who payed late night visits with bourbon smelling breath,does'nt mean you're a child abuse specialist nor counsellor,please refrain in future,making unfounded accusations,that is all for now.

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:True Lilly,how do you run a successful fund raiser?
I did a "Save Billys Arse Appeal",not a fucking cent I saw,hoping to raise cash for an escape to Holland.

I have'nt got a car.I need a car.Preferabley a special variant,in mickey mouse condition,cared for and cheap.

How do I scam people to buy me this car,cause I need a car and don't want to pay for it?



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-COMMODORE-1992-VP-WAGON-WHITE-V6-AUTO-AIR-CON-VN-VR-VS-VT-HSV-/250901869559?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a6aeab3f7

Billy needs car....please help Billy.

I really just don't have the dosh off hand,that's all...nice beast with excellent suspension...

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:Well, 'YOU SICK MOB' WILL KEEP ADVERTISING HOW & FROM WHOM
'YOU' GET 'YOUR' "influence" & "power", but then
'YOU' BITCH LIKE THE GUTLESS EVIL TURDS 'YOU' ARE
when someone OUTSIDE 'YOUR' SICK CIRCLES, joins in 'YOUR' PERPETUAL
'CONversations', to CON MORE INTO THOSE SATANIC CIRCLES.



But keep it up, 'they' DESERVE TO BE OUTED BY 'YOU'!

Tuesday, 20 October 2009

Parents sell virgins aged 12 for sex

BRITISH virgin girls as young as 12

are being sold to mega-rich Arabs for sex
at up to £50,000 a time.

Arrests ... Vice Squad cops from Scotland Yard nicked gang
secretly filmed offering virgins for sex

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo

Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.

Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?

Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk you're yet again, raising your favourite topic.

Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.

Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.

So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:Devil is in the art detail

The eye-catching sculptures.

Devil is in the art detail as Melbourne Festival 2011 begins
by:Simon Plant
From:Herald Sun
October 06, 2011 12:00AM
Apple founder Steve Jobs dead
by:Staff reporters
From:Herald Sun
October 06, 2011 10:44AM
ARE these 6m-high jet-black babies demonic angels, or angelic demons?
Both, actually. And they have magically descended on the city to mark tonight's launch of the 2011 Melbourne Festival.
Festival director Brett Sheehy fully expects these "mischievous monstrosities"
made of black resin to turn heads.
"It's an arresting and playful sculptural spectacle," he said yesterday, as
the Angels-Demons Parade was installed on Swanston St and St Kilda Rd.
The supersized infants - each one weighs a tonne - are the handiwork of a
subversive Russian art collective called AES F and have come all the way
from Antwerp.

Steve Jobs
After the Resignation

This picture of Steve Jobs was taken today --
two days after he resigned as the head honcho of Apple.


No, I didn't make any of this 'art', nor put it on the first Google page,
but when I saw those demonic sculptures, I just knew we'd have 'news'
to match it...and boy didn't it...in fact, I left out, a lot of what those,
'artist' types, would scream is 'disrespectful' and 'offensive'...as 'they'
scream at us, 'they' have a 'right' and 'duty' to 'offend' and 'confront',
everyone...with things like....

This statue is in the same Norway park.
The naked babies are attacking this innocent naked man

The photograph shows a sculpture by artist Patricia Piccinini.
The sculpture named "The Young Family", was part of the We are Family
exhibition displayed in the Australian Pavilion of the
50th Biennale of Venice in 2003.

"YOU" may be "family", but no family of mine, when "YOU" support and defend
this evil brainwashing, while throwing "YOUR" own young relatives at "THEM",
for "YOUR" social 'standing' and financial 'benefit'.


Beside the headline “Discover Norway,”
an urban woman walks through

Oslo’s Vigeland Sculpture Park,
one of the capital city’s most popular,

and most photographed,
tourist attractions

START WITH THE CHILD SEX INDUSTRY ADVERTISING 'artists'

Child erotica refers to any non-nude or semi-nude photographs and videos of children (minors) in sexually suggestive poses,^[1] and is also defined as any material relating to children that is used by any individuals for sexual purposes.^[2][3] Child erotica may include, in addition to images, other materials that may cause sexual arousal such as children's diaries, drawings, underwear, letters, and other similar items.^[3][4] Law enforcement investigators have found that child erotica is often collected by paedophiles and child sexual abuse offenders.^[1] Some child erotica images are distributed over the internet and presented in a fashion similar to non-erotic child modeling.

true lilly wrote:...and HOW DID I just KNOW what 'Billy Ruben's'
WAY OFF TOPIC, SPAMMED reply would be?

Because I KNOW 'HIM/THEM' and that 'THEY'
HATE ME FOR NOT BLAMING GOD,
FOR THE EVILS 'THEY' DID & DO!

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:Well, 'YOU SICK MOB' WILL KEEP ADVERTISING HOW & FROM WHOM
'YOU' GET 'YOUR' "influence" & "power", but then
'YOU' BITCH LIKE THE GUTLESS EVIL TURDS 'YOU' ARE
when someone OUTSIDE 'YOUR' SICK CIRCLES, joins in 'YOUR' PERPETUAL
'CONversations', to CON MORE INTO THOSE SATANIC CIRCLES.



But keep it up, 'they' DESERVE TO BE OUTED BY 'YOU'!

Tuesday, 20 October 2009

Parents sell virgins aged 12 for sex

BRITISH virgin girls as young as 12

are being sold to mega-rich Arabs for sex
at up to £50,000 a time.

Arrests ... Vice Squad cops from Scotland Yard nicked gang
secretly filmed offering virgins for sex

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo

Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.

Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?

Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk you're yet again, raising your favourite topic.

Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.

Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.

So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

True Lilly wrote:

Those like 'Billy Ruben' and 'Ciggy' WHO ATTACK ME FOR
TELLING THEM TO STOP DISCUSSING THEIR LUSTS
FOR CHILD RELATIVES, in my threads.

ALL "YOU" WEB of LYING NET HEADS WHO PROMOTE
CHILD PORN, 'as' 'art', and WHO ATTACK "YOUR"
SURVIVING VICTIMS FOR TELLING "YOU" IT WILL KILL "YOU"
IF "YOU" DON'T SERIOUSLY, GENUINELY REPENT.

cori wrote:

Some neighbor tries to poison you?

...reminds me to 'someone else' who was in this forum talking about neighbors that poison them beat'em up etc

Cori wrote:

We've got a couple of satellites in rotation to keep tabs on you as well.
You're too valuable to Truth to be allowed to go on posting on forums.

by: Carly Crawford, Stephen Drill
From:Herald Sun
October 17, 2011
20 comments

Posted at 12:10 AM Today
Itâ€s easy to be PM, just reverse what ever
Howard did. This is why the Gillard Govt is in such a hurry to dismantle
the last remnants of the Australian Building and Construction
Commission. They were the ones responsible for removing the militant and
criminal elements from the construction industry, during the Howard
years.
Comment 2 of 20

Johno of Melbourne Posted at 12:36 AM Today
There is no law against being associated with a
bikie club but the fair work act has a freedom of association clause
which states that people have a right to be or not to be in a union.
God help anyone in the building and construction industry who does not
join the union.
Clean up these overpaid thugs Ted.
Comment 3 of 20

Steve S of Melbourne

true lilly wrote:So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.

I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:

barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.

See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.

Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.

SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.

P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.

true lilly wrote:'Management', includes those In Charge of Admissions.

You know, those with The Power to Decide, who DOES
and who DOESN'T "qualify" for things like X-Rays of
Twice, Severely Battered Heads and Broken bones,
(let alone treatment of such crippling injuries), and who
Have The Power TO OPENLY STEAL FROM ONES HANDBAG,
THE ANTIBIOTICS PUT THERE BY THE TREATING DOCTOR,
AFTER HE PERSONALLY ADMINISTERED The First Dose
(usually the nurses job), BECAUSE HE KNEW "THEY"
(the 'Management' Nurse), WERE COUNTERMANDING
HIS, THE DOCTORS ORDERS.

In that case, another prescription for those antibiotics,
arrived in the mail, with no note, cover letter or mention
of the source, some days later, when the pleurisy CAUSED
by the damage of a 20 minute Gang Bashing, had almost
become pneumonia.

And that one Management Nurse, 'just happens' to be
friends with those who, twice, beat me into hospital...
go figure...

true lilly wrote:

ninny wrote:hi,

i only chose one of the english translations i found (randomly).
there are plenty of translations, so dont mind me, maybe posting a "wrong one".
but i think im out of the "news behind the news" bs. doesnt feel good, that you are monitoring people.
what's your fear?

and hello

... ...it's NOT me who HIDES,
SNEAKS, SPIES and BANS COUNTER ARGUMENTS.

I read what is posted ON A PUBLIC FORUM,
BY A MAN who STAYED IN MY HOUSE for 3 Weeks,
and His Team of Foreign And LOCAL THUGS,
who HAVE MADE ATTEMPTS at ENDING MY LIFE.

Then I PUBLICLY post my COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to their B.S. on another, This ONE, PUBLIC Forum
that "THEY" DO MONITOR, BUT FEAR even trying
to debate, 'toe to toe'.

Anyway, I was GLAD to see YOU TURN to 'The Bible'
when 'cori' did it's regular,
"I HATE MAN BUT LOVE ANTICHRISTS", Cackling,
and only added the links to the Greek Dictionary
of The Full, Descriptive (and so, much deeper),
MEANINGS to Each of The Words it contains.

I was very tired at the time, so didn't give my reply
the full explanation YOU DID DESERVE, SORRY,
and have to go out and get tired again soon, so
I will get back to this later, God Willing.

But will add, that I've been very tired due to
server headaches from the bashings I was REFUSED
treatment for (by 'their' 'mates' who abuse their
positions in the 'Health Industry), and more digestive
problems I've suffered since a polyp was removed
(after 15 years of bleeding), but that 'somehow',
"ESCAPED" from it's screw top specimen jar before it
reached the lab for a biopsy...so "I" still don't know
what it was. 'Interestingly' though, that I was bumped
to the "Urgent" list by my new doctor, simply on reading
my old files (on suspicion of the likelihood of cancer),
BUT, now have to wait another 3 YEARS for tests,
BECAUSE "THEY" "LOST" THAT POLYP.

But still, I carry on, ENJOYING LIFE, Counting small
and BIG Blessings; like STILL BEING ALIVE

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:

1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”

A. Two obvious difficulties

Chapter 127 of Sefer Tehillim (like the following one – 128) belongs to a relatively small group of psalms that may be referred to as “wisdom psalms." Their aim is to educate towards a proper world-view, to inculcate biblical life-experience in the reader – like Sefer Mishlei and other books of wisdom. While the great majority of the psalms address the relationship between man and God, these “psalms of wisdom” deal with guidance for life (the assumption being, needless to say, that one’s life is always centered around God). While most of the psalms reflect a “vertical” relationship, between man and God, the “psalms of wisdom” (and the biblical literature of wisdom in general) is “horizontal” – i.e., inter-personal.[1]

The psalm is presented above as a poem should be written in brief lines and divided into stanzas.[2] From the point of view of literal exegesis, it seems straightforward and presents little difficulty.[3] However, even upon the most superficial initial reading, two questions immediately present themselves concerning the structure of the psalm and its thematic integrity:

The first question pertains to the psalm as a whole. We see that it is comprised of two halves, each addressing a different subject and each with a different atmosphere. Stanzas 1-3 express one idea: that man’s efforts alone will not bear fruit if God is not a partner to his efforts. The atmosphere here is a negative one, as expressed in the thrice-repeated negation – “shav” (in vain) concerning the three examples cited to illustrate the main idea: the building of a house, the guarding of a city, and hard work in order to make a living. The same idea could be expressed in a positive way: “When God desires a man’s ways, his endeavors will succeed”, or “It is God Who gives person strength to build a house and to guard a city." However, our psalm chooses the negative formulation: in the absence of God’s partnership in man’s actions, all of his endeavors will amount to nothing.

The second half of the psalm (stanzas 4-7), in contrast, has a different subject: the blessing that comes to a man who has “children of his youth."

The stanzas of each of the two halves are united around the same subject, and we note an inner development in each of them. However, we are left with the question: What is the connection between the two halves of the psalm? Is there one single idea which the psalm as a whole is trying to express? In other words, is our psalm an integral whole? Is it built in a manner that serves to mold a single idea, or is it a composite of two independent parts under the same heading (“A Song of Degrees for Shlomo”), brought together for reasons which remain to be discovered?

The second obvious difficulty in our psalm concerns the words at the end of verse 2: “For to those who love Him He will give tranquility." Even on the level of literal meaning, the intention here is not clear: what is the meaning of the first word, “ken”? Does it mean “so”, or “such”, such hat this verse stands in comparison to something that appeared previously? If so – what, and what is the significance of the comparison? Or, perhaps “ken” means “indeed”? The word “shena” (tranquility) likewise presents some difficulty. Does this mean “rest” (‘shena’ spelled with a ‘heh’ at the end), as some of the earlier commentators suggest? If so, we must ask why the word here ends with an “alef." And what does the phrase mean, as a whole? Perhaps this word has some other meaning. If so – what is it?

The greatest difficulty here concerns the place of these words: Do they belong to the third stanza and the first part of the psalm?[4] This seems unlikely since, as we have pointed out, the atmosphere of the first half is negative, while these words – no matter how we interpret them – are unquestionably formulated in a positive manner. There is some sort of positive gift that God is bestowing on those who love Him. This being the case, perhaps these words are meant to serve as an introduction to the second half? The problem is that the subject of this half is the blessing of children that comes to man from God. The phrase in question seems to have nothing to do with this theme.

Since we are initially unable to decide where these words belong, we leave them for the meantime in a section of their own, in between the third and fourth stanzas – or, between the two halves of the psalm.

In the next shiurim we will attempt to analyze the psalm in an orderly manner, with the hope of finding answers to our questions above.

Translated by Kaeren Fish

[1] Aside from psalms 127 and 128, we may note the following examples: 1, (34), 37, 45, 49, (78), 112, 133. The chapters in parentheses are those which cannot be unequivocally categorized. In his book, “Sheki’ei Chokhma be-Sefer Tehillim” (Magnes, Jerusalem 5751), Prof. Avi Horwitz discusses the identification of “wisdom psalms” in Sefer Tehillim from a linguistic perspective. In the first chapter of his book he presents a critical review of the approaches proposed by scholars who preceded him in this field of inquiry, and of their scope. On p. 128 of his book he presents a synoptic table comparing ten different views, dating from the 1930’s until the present. The table shows that there is consensus among eight or more scholars concerning only five psalms: 1, 34, 37, 49, and 112. Some of the scholars identify as many as fourteen “psalms of wisdom”; others count a total that is much smaller (five or six).

The list of psalms at the beginning of this note does not follow any particular approach, nor have we involved ourselves deeply in the methodological question of identifying the “wisdom psalms”. Our criteria were, firstly, the “audience” to whom the psalm is addressed – God or man – and secondly, the content and style of the psalm.

The topic is itself worthy of thorough discussion, and I do not pretend to do it justice here. Therefore, the list here should be regarded as no more than an initial impression arising from these psalms.

It should further be noted that Psalm 91, which we analyzed in previous shiurim, also possesses some of the distinctive characteristics of a “wisdom psalm," and indeed one of the ten scholars included in Horwitz’s survey does include it in his list.

[2] In our analysis of Psalm 130 (mi-ma’amakim) we discussed the importance of presenting the psalms in Sefer Tehillim in a manner that highlights their lyrical character.

[3] “The bread of toil” (lechem ha-atzabim) means bread eaten in sorrow. The idea here is that the worker is so exhausted by his intensive and prolonged labor that he eats not in a relaxed frame of mind, but rather in sorrow. This hints to God’s words to Adam (Bereishit 3:17), “Cursed is the land because of you; you shall eat of it in sorrow (be-itzavon)," and further on (verse 19), “you shall eat bread by the sweat of your brow”. However, the meaning in our psalm is slightly different: here the verse is talking about the bread that accompanies man’s hard labor. We deduce this from the parallel between the words “mashkimei”/ ”me’acharei”/ ”ochlei," all of which describe human action and effort, not its results.

The words “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” will be discussed below.

“The children of one’s youth” means that children who are born to a person while he is still young. Similarly, “eshet ne’urim” means a woman whom a man marries in his youth.

[4] As we must conclude if the word ‘ken’ is understood to mean “thus” or “so”.

Shiur #11: Psalm 127 - Continued

By Rav Elchanan Samet


(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo/Solomon:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



B. The parallel between stanzas a and b, and their hidden meaning


The first two stanzas of our psalm maintain a synonymous[1], direct[2], complete[3] parallel, as follows:

If God does not build a house its builders labor in vain.



If God does not guard a city the guard stays awake in vain.



There is a thematic development between the two hemistiches: the “city” is a collection of houses which have already been built and which now require security: they need a watchman.

In contrast to this broadening of the perspective in the second limb in relation to the first, we also find the opposite phenomenon: the building of the house, in the first limb, is carried out by a number of “builders," while the guarding of the city (with its many houses) is carried out by a single “guard." The reason for this linguistic difference would seem to be that the construction of a house does usually involve a number of workers (whether for the sake of finishing the work sooner or because a variety of artisans are needed for different tasks), whereas the city can be guarded by a single watchman looking out for approaching enemies from an observation post where he can see them while they are still far off and raise the alarm by sounding the shofar or by directly notifying the king.[4]

Is it the intention of these two stanzas to nullify the value of man’s efforts to build his house and to protect the security of his city? This cannot be possible; it would be an offense both to common sense and to the prevailing biblical view that a person must exert effort for the sake of securing his own existence.[5] Indeed, those among the early commentators who interpret our psalm in its general human context (and not in relation to the building of the Temple)[6] explain that it does not contradict common sense or the accepted biblical conventions concerning human effort. According to their interpretations, man’s own efforts are a necessary but insufficient condition, and in the absence of God’s hidden involvement, man’s efforts will not attain their objective.

Ibn Ezra explains:

Since (the verse) starts by mentioning building (of a house), which is a great need for people… and the meaning of (the words), “toil in vain” is – if God does not help them, or brings a strong wind that can destroy everything. Thus, (the verse) mentions the artisans – who are the builders, thereafter the watchmen of the building – who are the watchmen of the city… and then (in the third stanza), the merchants of the city.


The Meiri expresses the same idea somewhat more clearly:

(The psalm) says, as advice and guidance for people, that when they invest effort in their property, even though effort is good, one should not place one’s faith in his own efforts and not think, when he obtains his desire, that it was his effort that achieved this for him. Rather, everything is from the blessed God, and it is He Who inspired him to make the effort, and it is He Who brought him to achieve his desire. The Torah warns, in this regard (Devarim 8:17-18), “And you say in your heart, ‘My strength and the might of my hand have achieved all this wealth for me,’" up until “you shall remember the Lord your God, for is it He Who gives you strength to make wealth”.[7]

After completing his commentary on the first three stanzas of our psalm, he comes back to his original message:

And all of this (is meant) not to discourage one from investing effort – for you will find no wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth. Rather, (the message is that) one should not place all of his trust in it (i.e., human effort), and not believe, when he achieves (his aim), that he has achieved what he has by his own effort; rather, God has graciously given it to him.

Given the Meiri’s view that our psalm provides general moral and religious guidance for all people, it seems strange that the psalmist choose the negative formulation to teach this lesson (“Unless God builds a house…”), rather than a positive formulation (“Only if God…”). Hence, it would appear that our psalm is meant to serve as rebuke to people who act improperly and who believe that only through their own strength and might can they build themselves houses and cities[8], and ensure their own security and livelihood. It is to these people that the psalmist declares that their efforts will be in vain, for God will not look with favor upon their actions, and they will not last if they are contrary to God’s will.



(to be continued)

Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] A synonymous parallel is one where the two limbs express identical or similar content. The opposite of a synonymous parallel is a contrasting parallel, for example: “A wise son makes his father joyful, but a foolish son is the grief of his mother” (Mishlei 10:1).

The terminology used here represents a translation of that set down in an article by Batsheva Brosh, “Hora’at ha-Tikbolet be-Shira ha-Mikrait”, published in Al ha-Perek 1, 1984, pp. 51-61.

[2] A direct parallel is one where structurally the two limbs are set out in the same order. The opposite of a direct parallel is a chiastic parallel. These two terms have nothing to do with the content of the limbs in question: both a direct parallel and a chiastic parallel may be either synonymous or contrasting, in terms of content (see previous note).

[3] A complete parallel is where the same syntactical elements appear in both limbs. The opposite of a complete parallel is an incomplete parallel, where one of the limbs is missing some syntactical element which exists in the other limb, and this element must be added from one limb to the other (sometimes from the first limb to the second, at other times the other way around).

[4] An exact description of the role of the watchman is to be found in Yechezkel 33:1-6 (and further on, the role of the prophet is compared to that of the watchman). A description of the specific action performed by the watchman is to be found in Shmuel II 13:34, and in more detail in Shmuel II 18:24-27 and Melakhim II 9:17-20. In the three latter sources, the watchman fulfills his task by notifying the king of the approach of some (still distant) unidentified party. However, in each of these cases it turns out that the party in question is not an enemy coming to conquer the city.

Since the action of the watchman is not connected to physical activity, like that of the builders of the house, the word “bo” is absent from the second limb of the parallel.

[5] The sources cited in the previous note suffice to show that guarding the city is regarded as an absolute obligation, and that anyone who is negligent in this regard is fully responsible for the consequences (see the description of the watchman in Yechezkel 33).

Similarly, a person’s obligation to work for his livelihood is likewise clear in Tanakh. For example, Tehillim 104:23: “Man goes out to his work and to his labor until evening.”

In Sefer Mishlei we find many recommendations for significant human effort and conscientiousness in work for the sake of making a living (as we will discuss further on), but concerning a person’s home we read in Kohelet 10:18 – “From sloth the beams collapse, and through idleness of the hands the house leaks”.

This subject is addressed at length (including a discussion of our psalm) in a book by Dr. Amos Frisch, “Yegi’a Kapecha – Yachas ha-Mikra el ha-Avoda”, Ha-Kibbutz ha-Me’uchad, 5759.

[6] Most of the commentators explain this psalm, taking a cue from its introductory words, as referring to the building of the Temple, whether by David – who exerted considerable effort but was unsuccessful, or by Shlomo – who finally did built it. Some of these commentators go on to explain it as referring to “people of the world” – i.e., they regard it as a “psalm of wisdom” that imparts a lesson to all of mankind. We will adopt this view in our study of the psalm.

[7] It would seem that the Meiri cites the verses here from his memory. He misquotes verse 18 slightly; I have cited the correct version of the verse.

[8] I am reminded of the builders of the Tower of Bavel, who said (Bereishit 11:4), “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower…”. They disregarded the message of our psalm, concerned only with their own strength and their name. However, God “did not build” the city and the tower, but sought to halt their construction, and therefore (verse “God dispersed them from there over all of the face of the earth, and they ceased to build the city.”

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



C. Stanza 3 in comparison with its predecessors



The third stanza differs from its predecessors in several respects. Firstly, it lacks the negative conditional clause – “If God does not…." This could convey the impression that awakening early and settling late are negative in and of themselves, independently of the question of God’s partnership in the efforts of those who conduct themselves in this way.



Secondly, while both of the previous stanzas speak in the third person of people who exert effort in vain, here we find that the psalmist addresses them directly, in the second person: “It is vain for you…."



Thirdly, while the “vain” action in each of the previous stanzas was a single activity (building, guarding), described in a single line of poetry, the third stanza offers three different vain activities (arising early, settling late, eating), all carried out for a single purpose – apparently, to make a living – but this purpose is not mentioned in the text.[1] This stanza therefore consists entirely of the three actions whose heading is, “in vain."



We must now ask, does the third stanza represent a smooth thematic continuation of its predecessors, or do the differences between them indicate that some new point is being made here?



Notwithstanding the differences set forth above, there are several decisive factors that place the third stanza as an unbroken continuation.



Firstly, the appearance of the word “shav” (“in vain”) at the outset represents the third repetition of this word, after it has appeared in each of the two previous stanzas. Apparently, the intention here is as it was in the previous stanzas: “There is no value to your actions unless God is party to them.”



Secondly, the types of human activity addressed previously – the building of a house and the guarding of a city – illustrate two typical areas of human existential endeavor: finding shelter and ensuring security. The third stanza seems to complement these by presenting another – even more prominent – typical existential area of effort: economic viability.



The three stanzas would therefore appear to represent a single idea that is broken down into three examples. It is therefore not reasonable to posit that the third stanza comes to present a new idea, different from the one expressed in the first two, without explaining its meaning.



What, then, is the meaning of the differences between the third stanza and its predecessors?



Let us first address the matter of the missing condition: “Unless God…." For this purpose we must go back to the parallel nature of the stanzas.



The third stanza itself is built as a parallel with three limbs.[2] Is there also a parallel between the third stanza and the previous two? (We have already seen that the first two stanzas maintain a clear parallel.)



The answer would seem to be clearly in the affirmative. The third stanza is a parallel in synonymous, chiastic, incomplete[3] form, as follows:



Stanzas a,b: If God does not…. … in vain





Stanza c: It is vain for you --



Considering that the third stanza parallels the previous stanzas in terms of content (hence our definition of this as a “synonymous parallel”), we must ask why its structure is different (bringing the consequence to the beginning of the sentence, and thereby producing a chiastic parallel), and why this stanza is lacking a part, requiring the intuition of its complement on the basis of the two previous stanzas (hence the definition as an “incomplete parallel”).



The answer to these questions is that all of the changes characterizing stanza c. in relation to its predecessors arise from the fact that this stanza concludes the first section of the psalm. I shall presently explain what this means.



When a chiastic parallel follows a direct one, it is often meant to “wrap up” the statement that is being made. As in many other instances in Tanakh, the chiasm here expresses conclusion and confirmation.[4] The third stanza concludes the first section of the psalm, and is therefore presented as a chiastic parallel to the two preceding stanzas.



The fact that the parallel is incomplete arises from the length of the description, in this stanza, of actions that are “vain”: there is an enumeration of three actions instead of a single one as in the previous stanzas. Thus, the number of words in this stanza (9) is equal to the number in the previous stanzas. Had the conditional clause (“Unless God…”) been added here, the quantitative balance would have been lost, with the consequent implications for the rhythm which would have been similarly affected – along with aesthetic considerations.[5]



However, we may ask: why does the third stanza need to enumerate three different activities that are undertaken “in vain”, rather than sufficing with just one? The answer is, once again, that since this stanza “sums up” the message of the first part of the psalm, the idea of “vanity” is expressed here with greater intensity and with greater variation – and hence, necessarily, at greater length. I will explain this further.



We have already hinted above that the example of human effort in the quest for existential needs that is discussed in this third stanza – the toil to ensure economic viability, to obtain sustenance – is a more obvious example than either of the two preceding ones. Why is this so?



The building of a house lasts for a limited time. When the action is complete, the house stands firm, and its inhabitant has satisfied his existential need for shelter.

The guarding of a city, in contrast, is an action that continues – every day and every night. However, this action is not one that every person engages in. The city guards are a small, defined group of people for whom guarding is a permanent, professional occupation. Furthermore, while guarding the city is unquestionably a position of great responsibility, it does not involve much physical effort – unlike many other human endeavors (such as building a house).



In a league of its own is the Sisyphean effort to make a living. This ongoing effort is the lot of every person, for all of his life. It requires that a person devote his days, from early in the morning until the evening, to hard work involving physical and mental exertion.



Thus, the message here is that it is not only the relatively brief endeavors (such as building a house) or professional specializations (like guarding) whose success depends on Divine involvement and help, but also – and especially – the endeavor that is most characteristic of the human condition, and the most demanding: making a living.



In light of this, the third stanza represents the most intensive expression of the idea set forth in the first part of the psalm. This also explains the extra enumeration of actions that are carried out “in vain” in this stanza – with ramifications for its structure and its parallel relationship with its predecessors.



The third stanza involves one further development: the psalmist addresses the people toiling to earn their bread in the second person: “It is vain for you…." This technique serves to intensify the tone of reproof that was already hinted at in the previous stanzas.



Previously, we noted that the formulation of the moral, religious message of our psalm in the negative (“Unless God builds… in vain”) alludes to the Divine retribution awaiting builders of the house and guards of the city who are not worthy of Divine partnership in their actions, and who will therefore see no success in their endeavors.



This note of rebuke becomes more tangible when the psalmist addresses people directly. The actions of these people, toiling endlessly to obtain sustenance, will not achieve anything if they are not blessed by God.



Thus, despite the differences between the third stanza and the two preceding ones – and by means of those differences – the third stanza turns out to represent a continuation and development of the same idea that they introduced.



(to be continued)



Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] The reason for its absence would seem to arise from the first difference that we noted above between the third stanza and the first two: previously, the purpose of the human activity – the building of the house or the guarding of the city – was noted in the conditional clause. However, since no conditional clause exists in the third stanza, there is no mention of the purpose of the activity that is carried out “in vain”, and we must conclude this from the nature of the activity that is described. Had some conditional clause existed here, the verse would read, “If God does not provide food”, or the suchlike.

[2] The parallel here is synonymous, direct, and incomplete (see the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms), as follows:

“It is vain for you to rise up early

to settle late

to eat the bread of toil.”

While the third stanza is not a complete parallel with the previous ones, it nevertheless expresses the same idea and with a similar word order.

[3] See the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms.

[4] As discussed at length and in detail by A. Mirsky z”l in his work, “Ha-Pissuk shel ha-Signon ha-Ivri” (First Edition, Mossad ha-Rav Kook, Jerusalem 5738; Second Edition published as “Signon Ivri,” Jerusalem 5759). Just two of the many examples that he cites are Tehillim 115:5-7 and 22:24.

[5] The first three stanzas, comprising the first part of the psalm, are all of about the same length – 8-9 words. The length of the four stanzas comprising the second part are likewise of similar length – 6-7 words. To illustrate the literary reason for the difference in the parallel that appears in the third stanza, let us imagine how the text would read had the direct and complete parallel continued into this stanza:

“Unless God builds a house its builders toil in vain.

Unless God guards a city the guard watches in vain.

Unless God grows bread those who awaken early and settle late do so in vain; those who work the ground eat the bread of toil.”

While the idea is expressed here more clearly than it is in the psalm as we have it, there can be no question that the literary and musical appeal is gone, and thus the whole moral and thematic power is lost

There, I fixed "your" quote. Lets not confuse folk about who the angry, ranting drunken bitches are ...now, back to my quote, and reply, IN CONTEXT

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

true lilly wrote:Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...

...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...

...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.

SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots




The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.

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Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing

...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!


Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.

Picture: AFP Read More
Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.", is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence, "they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...





WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#

An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.

''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.

''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?

''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''

Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/middle-east-protests/

el kabong wrote:Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda.......


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’


Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition
http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.



Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel.

................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.


One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an don't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain.

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................

no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar......

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.

by:Phillip Hudson, Steve Lewis
From:Herald Sun AAP
November 24, 2011
9:08AM
78 comments

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petras wrote: 23-11-2011, 07:54 PM

The World from Berlin

Berlin's Reaction to Neo-Nazi Terror 'Is Too Late'

German papers were filled Wednesday with images of Chancellor Angela
Merkel and members of her cabinet standing with their heads bowed on the
floor of the Bundestag. Their statement said: "We are deeply ashamed."

The current interior minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, reportedly is
looking for a way to ban the NPD without stopping the use of informants,
which would mean that the authorities would lose a valuable source of
information about the party. The departing Israeli ambassador to Berlin,
Yoram Ben-Zeev, has also called for a ban of the party. He told
the mass circulation daily Bild: "Democracies must fight against such
things. I don't want to draw comparisons, but the Nazis were also a
legitimate party. They came to power in a legitimate way."

'I thank President (Christian) Wulff that he will be meeting today with
the relatives, and offering a sign of solidarity and sympathy from the
entire German people,' said Merkel.

'These attacks were no more and no less than an attack on our democratic system,' she said.

Responding to opposition allegations that domestic intelligence agencies
had paid less attention to rightists than to leftists, she said, 'We
can do without that ... It drives a wedge into the unity among democrats.'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...799500,00.html
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...cy-says-Merkel





First picture of "wedge" on google: RED SHOES, peep-toes, TOMS
(note the colours of the label)

Zeev

Zeh = toe in German



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Intelligent design



see: Watchmaker analogy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Quote:Originally Posted by petras

The "NSU - Döner-Kebab-Bosphorus serial murders"
entangled in a web of various secret services' interests
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• MP charged over child porn (theage.com.au)
  

• Ambulance response times slip Herald Sun, 6 Nov 2011
  
• AMA says hospital bed crisis being ignored Perth Now, 3 Nov 2011
  
• Debts cripple Victoria's health care system Courier Mail, 15 Oct 2011
  
• Demand crippling state ER services Herald Sun, 7 Oct 2011
  
• Patients die waiting in hospital queues Courier Mail, 5 Jul 2011