'they' "TOUCH", for 'their' FINANCIAL Health...

Billy Ruben wrote:I LOVE MY SATANIC BLOOD RITUAL AND SHALL EAT YOUR GRANDCHILDREN IN A FEAST TO THE BEAST,LIP SMACKING SCRUMTUOUS FRIED BABY,LURVE ME SATAN...YUM,YUM...YOU'RE NOT RHESUS FACTOR NEGATIVE IN BLOOD? A DELICACY,LIKE TRUFFLES IN FRANCE,EXCEPT I DON'T NEED A PIG TO HUNT THEM DOWN,HEHEHEHEHE...DELICIOUS

true lilly wrote:Talk about full blow delusions...
what doesn't 'Jason'/'Billy Ruben' GET, about BEING IGNORED,
that he simply has to keep texting me about what he's posting?

And despite contradicting himself with and within every text, he's
still hanging onto some insane idea that he's 'winning'?... something???

e.g. the latest just in:

Billy Ruben wrote:Making progress r
we,god stopping
me,no,ur faith must
be shattered,he looks
after me very
well,bitch

...and what doesn't he get about 'them'
(those 'respected' people he 'defends' ),
trying and failing to 'shatter my faith'
for 50 years, that he believes his overtly
erratic, filthy, violent, mind, could even
come close to breaking my faith in The God,
Who, he and all of 'them', so violently hate?

Especially when all he is doing, is breaking,
'their' (those 'respected' people's), cover 'as',
'worthy of respect', by putting himself up as
'their' satanic blood ritual practicing occultist,
supporter and defender.

true lilly wrote:
Specialise: Candida Balancing, Emotional,
Mercury/Heavy Metal Elimination,
Pain Release, Sabotage Clearing,
Spiritual, Sports/Stretching, Vision Improvement,
TMJ, Learning Problems

Trained in: Psychology, Flower Essence Therapy, Counselling, Life Coaching

Bremen, Germany
http://www.kinergetics.com.au/KinShop.asp?KinCoursePage=2


It's HYPNOSIS, that all!

'they' HYPNOTISE people into 'believing' they 'feel' 'better',
AND INTO BEING DEPENDENT ON PAYING FOR MORE of 'that' 'feeling'!

Just one more example of why the EVIL GREENIES can NOT be trusted...
you know, the same F'wits that FORCED MERCURY light bulbs on the world...
you know, That HEAVY METAL POISON that 'they' will now 'have to' 'eliminate'
from EVERY BODY that ever breaks a bulb...while HYPNOTISING 'their' VICTIMS
into 'needing' TO PAY MORE and MORE for, MORE and MORE of 'their' SABOTAGE...
that 'they' call, 'services'...

...and yet another mob I pissed off decades ago, by REFUSING TO JOIN 'them'...
...in SPREADING DEADLY POISON then CHARGING for the SNAKE OIL 'cure'...

true lilly wrote:And remember, while 'Billy Ruben'
is boasting of being on cori=tintin's side
(cori, who proudly, publicly boasts it
WANTS 99.9 of HUMANS DEAD),
"tintin" also loved to brag about what an
International Big Wig His Brother Is
In The MENTAL (ILL)health INDUSTRY...

McGorry aborts teen drug trial
Jill Stark
August 21, 2011


Patrick McGorry ... a formal complaint was lodged.
Photo: Angela Wylie
Read the complaint in full
THE FORMER Australian of the year Patrick McGorry has
aborted a controversial trial of anti-psychotic drugs on children as
young as 15 who are ''at risk'' of psychosis, amid complaints the study
was unethical.

The Sun-Herald can reveal 13 international health experts
lodged a formal complaint calling for the trial not to go ahead.

They were concerned children who had not yet been
diagnosed with a psychotic illness would be unnecessarily given drugs
with potentially dangerous side effects.

Quetiapine, sold as Seroquel, has been linked to weight
gain and its manufacturer AstraZeneca, which was to fund the trial, last
month paid US$647 million ($622 million) to settle a lawsuit in the US,
alleging there was insufficient warning the drug may cause diabetes.

Professor McGorry, one of the Prime Minister's key mental
health advisers, planned the trial at Orygen Youth Health in Melbourne,
listing it on the Australian New Zealand Clinical Trials Registry last
March.

It was to investigate whether the drug would decrease or
delay the risk of people aged between 15 and 40 with early signs of
mental illness, developing a psychotic disorder such as schizophrenia.

Last month, psychiatrists, psychologists and researchers
from Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Britain and the US lodged a
complaint with the ethics committee of Melbourne Health, the umbrella
service which includes Orygen. They argued there was little evidence
the onset of psychosis can be prevented and it was potentially dangerous
to use anti-psychotics on those who merely had risk factors such as a
family history or deterioration in mental health, with evidence showing
up to 80 per cent will never develop a disorder.
Professor McGorry insists the decision to scrap the trial
was made in June and is unrelated to the complaint, which he said he
was only alerted to just over a week ago.

He said Orygen had to choose between the drug trial or
pursuing another trial using fish oil - which had proven useful as an
early intervention treatment for schizophrenia in a smaller study. It
opted for fish oil because it had less potential for side effects.

Melbourne Health's research ethics committee will still consider the complaint in September.

Read the complaint in full

The Sun-Herald recently revealed a growing
backlash against the government's mental health reforms, with Professor
McGorry's peers claiming his youth early intervention model had been
''massively oversold''.

Associate Professor Geoff Stuart from La Trobe
University's school of psychological sciences, who signed the complaint,
said serious questions about the aborted trial remain.

''He [Professor McGorry] was willing to endorse a trial
which was exploring the use of anti-psychotic medication in an at-risk
group,'' he said. ''There's a major ethical issue about medicating four
people to supposedly save the fifth when you're not saving them anyway,
you're just masking their symptoms.

''We're talking about kids as young as 15 who could get a full dose of anti-psychotics and they're not psychotic.''

Read the complaint in full

Anti-psychotics are vital but should not be used without clear evidence of the benefits, experts say.

Professor McGorry admitted the evidence suggested
anti-psychotics were not effective as a first-line treatment for the
at-risk group. But he said the risks had been exaggerated and he would
consider a similar trial on patients for whom other treatments had
failed.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/mcgorry-aborts-teen-drug-trial-20110820-1j3k1.html#ixzz1VaQMpGDf

Read the complaint in full

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke", this thread is on the First Page. So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts, TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL (by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE, IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post. So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you", THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS (the Stolen, Dehidrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT", "you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home, recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!), gives people GOOD REASON TO READ WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS, THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE, AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.

lying fucking bitch,every word of it and you fool no-one,there's new members here,fully aware of your decrepid dying spirit.Not one word does anyone believe of you,but at least you can see why people beat you up and I would do the same,if you were local and handy,not to use my fist,but to kick you as the low dugfucker that you are,then expectorate upon your mashed in face,you're not worth blowing one's nose on,filth,un-woman like and not up to the spiritual worth,to deliver Gods word.The only idiot that does'nt get it,is stubborn fuckwit you,where's hOrSeY?,burned him like everybody else,by now,what,you blackmailed him to do your bidding before,now he's not here and the harassment is much worse than last time.You lost your own family through your schizoid ramblings,they turned on you,not conspired,because you're a basket case,it was sad to learn at first,but seeing the way you really are spastic,I applaud your former husband,getting them out and to a safer,much more loving woman than you could ever be,you're an incubator,not a woman.

Billy Ruben wrote:CARRY ON WITH YOUR SHIT AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE,YOU JUST GAVE AWAY WHY YOU MOUTH OFF ABOUT TINTIN,CAUSE YOU KNOW HE'S GOT TOO MUCH INTEGRITY TO BOTHER WITH A LOSER LIKE YOU AND FOR THAT,I THANK YOU...BUT YOU HAVE MADE PROGRESS,YOU ADMIT YOU'RE NOT RESPECTFUL,EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING TO YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ALMIGHTY,YOU FINALLY GET IT MADAM...BY YOUR OWN WORDS AND KICKED AN "OWN GOAL"...GOOD GIRL MADAM,GOOD GIRL...YOU KNOW HOW TO PLEASE ME AFTER ALL....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

true lilly wrote:Talk about full blow delusions...
what doesn't 'Jason'/'Billy Ruben' GET, about BEING IGNORED,
that he simply has to keep texting me about what he's posting?

And despite contradicting himself with and within every text, he's
still hanging onto some insane idea that he's 'winning'?... something???

e.g. the latest just in:

Billy Ruben wrote:Making progress r
we,god stopping
me,no,ur faith must
be shattered,he looks
after me very
well,bitch

...and what doesn't he get about 'them'
(those 'respected' people he 'defends' ),
trying and failing to 'shatter my faith'
for 50 years, that he believes his overtly
erratic, filthy, violent, mind, could even
come close to breaking my faith in The God,
Who, he and all of 'them', so violently hate?

Especially when all he is doing, is breaking,
'their' (those 'respected' people's), cover 'as',
'worthy of respect', by putting himself up as
'their' satanic blood ritual practicing occultist,
supporter and defender.

Billy Ruben wrote:When I push you over the edge and you pull Mr Policeman on me,like I want you too ,I have your former husbands' name here,which will come in very handy.Tell me,if your kids seen this,would they be so supportive of you,if they knew you call daddy a baby raping goat fucker?I want to cost you dearly madam,for your years of lies and baseless and groundless accusations,did your husband spam your thread too,Lying C*nt,I bet...

true lilly wrote:ICKE, ASSange, BILL RYAN, CIGGY,
TINTIN, CORI, and so on and on the list
of CON Industry PUSHERS goes...and made
FILTHY 'RICH' through 'their' WORK as
MASS ANTI-SOCIAL MANIPULATORS, who
HATE me FOR being CONTENT with ENOUGH,
NOT ENVYING NOR HATING THE 'TRULY WEALTHY'.

Learn something about cops,they're not in it for justice,they look after their own,corrupt and facilitate evil,you'd better watch it Suzy,Victorian Cops are'nt as lenient as NSW cops,they shoot mental patients down your way,set you up,you'll start rambling with a kitchen knife...and BLAM!!!,they put the rabid idiot out to pasture for ever and ever.Amen...Amen-Ra

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:Unhived Mind Website Taken Down...!!!

true lilly wrote:
Fine by me,
I got all of my thread on that site,
on hard copy.

Unfortunately, Team Tintin have been flat out,
re-writing all his myths (as if actual history),
on "tintin's", "The News Behind The News" thread,
at .



Fortunately, the readership of that thread has plummeted.

SO WHAT,WHO'D BELIEVE YOU ANYWAY...DON'T HAVE THOSE PHOTOS DO YOU???...OF SAY...A CAR BOMBING???...THOUGHT SO...

ps,SHE DOES'NT HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH THE HUMILIATION THERE ANY MORE,CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE HAPPY...I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WONDER WOMAN HAD TO SAY TO YOU...




LULZ,
so has yours significantly,the Lying Conspiracy has'nt been bumped since Christmas,ROFLMAO,hypocrite...and you're still posting shit from Oxleys site,passing it off as "NEW" news....dribbling on the floor,gasping for air laughter...

true lilly wrote:Seriously 'Jason',
how can 'they' keep going around
charging people to be hypnotized,
to believe they were healed 'by jayssusss'
(who the schills pocketing the dough,
claim to 'channel' ),
when you're running around telling the world that
all your best 'mates'
(the one's you're 'defending', 'from' me???),
are blood sacrificing satanists???

And then there's all those other,
butter wouldn't melt in their
(stone, cold, dead), mouths,
(ANTI) 'social worker' types, who
teach children how to 'stay out of trouble',
when committing the criminal acts that
'they' have also taught them.

You know, all those who go around
wearing a mask of 'respectability'
while laughing at the their victims
for not smelling the devil behind the mask.

And still the texts continue; ha! and proving
'Billy Ruben' can't even grasp that concept.

The idiot doesn't know the difference between,
'a mask of respectability' and
'being worthy of respect'...or does, and believes
that the former has more 'currency',
simply because,
The Mask Wearing Demons, Out-Number
the humble little good guys...but 'they' always,
fail to take into account, that,
The Perfect Accountant IS Keeping Perfect Account.

...and that, not only are, wolves hiding among the sheep...
...but watchmen, are hidden amongst the wolves...

Billy Ruben wrote:so,everything True lilly says is the opposite...and a fooking lie...

lets investigate the reversal to her name

TRUE = LYING
LILLY = VAGINA

PUT TOGETHER...

LYING C*NT...THAT'S YOUR NAME FOR NOW ON SHITBAG...

Billy Ruben wrote:I might just start hunting around for what I really believe,you've been lying about money and more than one occassion try to extort or will it away from people.

YOU SEE TRUE LILLY,YOU'RE SO LUCKY,TINTIN IS SUCH A GENTLEMAN WITH INTEGRITY AND WOULD'NT WASTE HIS TIME ARGUING WITH A SCHIZOID LIKE YOU,SULLYING HIS NAME TO DEFEND AGAINST YOUR LIES AND ACCUSATIONS...OTHERWISE,I'D UTILIZE EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO BREAK YOU.NO HOLDS BARRED.MY NAME IS MUD LONG AGO,SO DO YOU THINK I CARE HOW I LOOK,NO....BUT MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN YOU WILL EVER BE,CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE A NORMAL PERSON.NOTICE KABONG AND I HAVE A GOOD TIME IN THAT WOODSTOCK THREAD AND YOU COME ALONG,SEE,THERE'S NOTHING TO YOU BUT MINDLESS LIES AND DRIVEL....HAHAHAHAHAHA,I STILL HAVE MY FAMILY AFTER REAL TRIALS MADAM,I DO MORE OF GODS WORK THAN YOU'LL EVER COMPREHEND,YOU'RE NOTHING...BUT A MORONIC SCHIZOID AND A DANGEROUS ONE...

ahh, yes, but to WHOM....

...and, what and whom

will they be watching for...

But, isn't it interesting, to more than only me,
that this VERY OLD NEWS Report, that's also
an Old Magazine Story, is REPEATED AGAIN as
The First/Main/Lead NEWS/IMAGE Story in
TODAY'S SYDNEY MORNING HERALD... ...

...ALONG with THIS VERY OLD NEWS,
ALSO getting a RE-RUN TODAY on SBS News...
...remember, they have long controlled the
"PUBLIC RELEASE" Dates And TIMING of
IMPORTANT, RELATED, Scientific Discoveries...

( ...'they' say...but MEAN:
IT'S SOLID EVIDENCE WE CAN TRUST
WHAT GOD TOLD US,
ABOUT "THE BEGINNING",
FROM THE BEGINNING ...
and, HOW IT WILL ALL PAN OUT!)

true lilly wrote:So cori=wants 99.9% of humans dead,
which of my enemies in the real world, are
you supporting?

Those who say 'they' "channel jeesuss",
or those who come straight out and admit
that 'the lord's prayer' they 'raised' their kids by,
was 'the lord's prayer'
straight out of The Satanic Bible.

And now it seems 'Jason'
has lost the ability to read at all,
as well as comprehend.

Maybe I'll just have to forward all his texts
to all 'those' 'respected' people
he is so overtly, so publicly,
demonstrating his supported association with,
in 'their' mutual pushing of the same
(not so secret anymore), satanic agenda,
and let 'them' sort 'their' own yapping dog.

And so what if some among them,
are, actually worthy of respect,
or just haven't had their cover blown yet;
surely they are entitled
to know the public and private character of
those who Publicly claim to privately
Share a Satanic Association with
those who claim to be
'Christian' Business People.

true lilly wrote:
NOW, 16 MODERATORS at DAVID ICKE Official Forums:

lookfar, tusme, ozpixie, thirdwave,

measle_weasel, merlincove, ufochick,

mace, drhemp, thommo, scottishryan,

hunter77, weeman, atlantabizgal,

infidelyork, edelweiss pirate

...despite how many have STOPPED POSTING...
...maybe something to do with...

This post was made by Billy Ruben who is currently on your ignore list.
So what do/does 'he/she/they' NOT GET?

Why the need to keep texting me about 'their' latest posts
in 'their' very personal, literal, war against me, as if I
and my opinions, matter more than, The War being fought?

I've often made it perfectly clear that I'm more than happy
to speak WITH any, real, individual person, about what I post,
but even when 'Billy/Jason' does ring and speak AT me, 'he'
can't be bothered remembering, where 'he's' supposed to be,
'who's' supposed to have told 'him' what, or that 'he' can't block
the number or location, from which 'he' makes 'his' worst threats,
from 'those who know and matter'.

And so, being a self proven, as well as self confessed,
NOT so Secret [anymore] Agenda Pushing, 'Agent'
of the BAD 'them'...yep, there is a GOOD 'them'...I can't
keep treating 'him/her/them' as if 'they' are not the very
same, very dangerously deceitful ilk, I first stated posting
warnings for real individuals to take heed of.

true lilly wrote:Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...

...got another call from him, to inform me of this thread...
...idiots...they couldn't even start to construct a believable tale...
...the price of that 'intelligence' supplied by idiots ...anyway...

Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...
...and at such a time... ...Team Leader "tintin" will be miffed,
with 'YOU' and...

true lilly wrote:He IS INSANE!
But NOT in a nice, 'stupid, so innocent' way.
He is Heavily, Cunningly, INVESTED IN LAYING THE FOUNDATION
FOR GLOBAL, 'BEAST' WORSHIP.
And EDITS The Official David Icke Forum.
Oh, he has also CLAIMED TO BE JESUS,
and now that HE IS (RE)WRITING GOD'S WORD.

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Jesus eh? GOOD! We killit 'im once, we can killim again!

There ARE TWO DEATHS, ONLY the Second IS FOREVER
and You Just SIGNED UP FOR BOTH. ... and I'll restate:
Why 'be gentle' with SCUM that swan around the world
and gather at EXCLUSIVE 5 star dinners to gaffaw at how
easy it is to CON the world? ... That's RHETORICAL ... !

'Funny', though, how
'they' can't take the joke, of
the intended victims laughing at the joy
of one more hour of Blessed Life...
...that is another WARNING, as 'they' are
committed to KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL
(ALL WHO REFUSE), to BOW TO THE BEAST,
and so, DIE TWICE and FOREVER.

Victoria Police
monitoring gangs in Melbourne
following British riots
Peter Mickelburough
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/victoria-police-monitoring-gangs-in-melbourne-following-british-riots/story-fn7x8me2-1226119207091

true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke",
this thread is on the First Page.
So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts,
TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL
(by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and
BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE,
IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post.

So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you",
THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB
and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS
(the Stolen, Dehydrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT",
"you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home,
recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!
and the other one that wasn't mine, now lives here, happily,
on the 2 1/2 feet he has left),
gives people GOOD REASON TO READ
WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...
posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS,
THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry
IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE,
AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.

Two critically injured
in chemical blast at Cannons Creek
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/two-critically-injured-in-chemical-blast-at-cannons-creek/story-fn7x8me2-1226119289534
17 comments
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011

Gee, OVER 17 hours old,
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE? )
POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS

And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH......TO,
those 'cleaning them up'... ...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',
I do THINK, and
I do think 'you' have, "given a shit",
right down the legs 'you' still have,
unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS ,
who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore...

...and that was only a tiny sample
of the countless examples of why the wise,
keep, The First Commandment, First and Last.

The great Leo arrives in the hood

Tonya Turner
LEONARDO DiCaprio
has touched down in Sydney
to begin filming The Great Gatsby,
making a quick getaway
dressed incognito.
Video

true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke",
this thread is on the First Page.
So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts,
TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL
(by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and
BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE,
IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post.

So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you",
THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB
and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS
(the Stolen, Dehydrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT",
"you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home,
recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!
and the other one that wasn't mine, now lives here, happily,
on the 2 1/2 feet he has left),
gives people GOOD REASON TO READ
WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...
posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS,
THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry
IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE,
AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.

Gee, OVER 17 hours old,
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE? )
POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS

true lilly wrote:
NOW, 16 MODERATORS at DAVID ICKE Official Forums:

lookfar, tusme, ozpixie, thirdwave,

measle_weasel, merlincove, ufochick,

mace, drhemp, thommo, scottishryan,

hunter77, weeman, atlantabizgal,

infidelyork, edelweiss pirate

...despite how many have STOPPED POSTING...
...maybe something to do with...

This post was made by Billy Ruben who is currently on your ignore list.
So what do/does 'he/she/they' NOT GET?

Why the need to keep texting me about 'their' latest posts
in 'their' very personal, literal, war against me, as if I
and my opinions, matter more than, The War being fought?

I've often made it perfectly clear that I'm more than happy
to speak WITH any, real, individual person, about what I post,
but even when 'Billy/Jason' does ring and speak AT me, 'he'
can't be bothered remembering, where 'he's' supposed to be,
'who's' supposed to have told 'him' what, or that 'he' can't block
the number or location, from which 'he' makes 'his' worst threats,
from 'those who know and matter'.

And so, being a self proven, as well as self confessed,
NOT so Secret [anymore] Agenda Pushing, 'Agent'
of the BAD 'them'...yep, there is a GOOD 'them'...I can't
keep treating 'him/her/them' as if 'they' are not the very
same, very dangerously deceitful ilk, I first stated posting
warnings for real individuals to take heed of.

true lilly wrote:Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...

...got another call from him, to inform me of this thread...
...idiots...they couldn't even start to construct a believable tale...
...the price of that 'intelligence' supplied by idiots ...anyway...

Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...
...and at such a time... ...Team Leader "tintin" will be miffed,
with 'YOU' and...

true lilly wrote:He IS INSANE!
But NOT in a nice, 'stupid, so innocent' way.
He is Heavily, Cunningly, INVESTED IN LAYING THE FOUNDATION
FOR GLOBAL, 'BEAST' WORSHIP.
And EDITS The Official David Icke Forum.
Oh, he has also CLAIMED TO BE JESUS,
and now that HE IS (RE)WRITING GOD'S WORD.

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Jesus eh? GOOD! We killit 'im once, we can killim again!

There ARE TWO DEATHS, ONLY the Second IS FOREVER
and You Just SIGNED UP FOR BOTH. ... and I'll restate:
Why 'be gentle' with SCUM that swan around the world
and gather at EXCLUSIVE 5 star dinners to gaffaw at how
easy it is to CON the world? ... That's RHETORICAL ... !

'Funny', though, how
'they' can't take the joke, of
the intended victims laughing at the joy
of one more hour of Blessed Life...
...that is another WARNING, as 'they' are
committed to KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL
(ALL WHO REFUSE), to BOW TO THE BEAST,
and so, DIE TWICE and FOREVER.

And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH......TO,
those 'cleaning them up'... ...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',
I do THINK, and
I do think 'you' have, "given a shit",
right down the legs 'you' still have,
unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS ,
who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore...

...and that was only a tiny sample
of the countless examples of why the wise,
keep, The First Commandment, First and Last.

el kabong wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7guzT6ANI&feature=fvst







git yer groove on!




.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBKa-bCasY








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3af4ZJS4w






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMniyUyqN_E







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM

true lilly wrote:

and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last

hey suzi/not so tru lilly, I see you've made a new fan/reader.

what you know about YHWHs Commandments you could fit in a thimble and have lots of room left over. Your new fan says it well.

Your dog don't hunt. never did. never will.

Do you realise how you contradict yourself? The First Commandment is a pillar of the Torah/Instruction (which you insult and falsly declare was 'done away with') of YHWH Elohim, and it declares that the Hebrews were in Egypt/Mizraim, which you deny.

Torah means Instruction. YHWH Elohim has provided aLL humankind with His Instruction, who are you to say otherwise?

A lying, false prophet.

You are really a mental case like Billy Rueben has documented.

true lilly wrote:Again, remember, The Books we call The Bible
cover every topic under the sun, and still, when
I pray about what say, or not to say, well as you
can see, I open Those Pages (randomly) at what
is timely and relevant to the topics I'm covering;
and that's even before bothering to read the full
descriptive meanings of each of those REVEALING
WORDS in That Holy Collection of Books.

So Please, Do, click on the link.

Psalms 49:1-20
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=49&v=1&t=KJV#top

true lilly wrote:Well, I mentioned somewhere, how OFF 'Jason/Billy Ruben's',
"'intelligence' gathered by idiots", IS, after he rang me, again,
to mention this thread of his(=add to his threats to my person,
because he knows he's on ignore and is obsessed with trying to
scare me), but it's been over half a day since he promised to
"BURY=SPAM OVER" my latest posts, and, well since then,
someone in Melbourne has BLOWN HIS LEGS OFF... another
of 'their' Very Unfortunate 'mates' ...

...and 'certain' 'nice' GAME PLAYING people
still complain AT OTHER people,
about my choice of friends (it's a VERY small selection),
Only to KEEP THEM TRAPPED AMONG Such,
DANGEROUSLY EXPLOSIVE 'mates' ...

David Icke Australian Tour - Completely Sold Out!!!
by Billy Ruben

ahh, yes, but to WHOM....

...and, what and whom

will they be watching for...

true lilly wrote:



David Icke's 'australian's'=COMPLETE SELL OUTS!
...and too stupidly proud to...



...or... ...so...

...well, prove 'they' aren't... ...at least 'the name' 'Billy Ruben'
is finally posting here again, but no text to say, "Sorry.", or even,
"O.K. I still disagree with you, but I see you make some valid points,
so I'll stop threatening to kill you.", unlike 'his/her/their' barrage of
texts that do threaten my life, And Worse...so even a moron could
tell, that that is, idiotically, stupidly proud...All Things Considered...

true lilly wrote:Just another "tintin/cori" 'classic' bit of
CODE KEY FILLED, NEWS of TODAY, that
'they' are also ignoring...and yeah, note:
The Significance of "The HOOD[Y]"

Leonardo DiCaprio arrives
in Australia to shoot
The Great Gatsby


The great Leo arrives in the hood

Tonya Turner
LEONARDO DiCaprio
has touched down in Sydney
to begin filming The Great Gatsby,
making a quick getaway
dressed incognito.
Video

Victoria Police
monitoring gangs in Melbourne
following British riots
Peter Mickelburough
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/victoria-police-monitoring-gangs-in-melbourne-following-british-riots/story-fn7x8me2-1226119207091

true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke",
this thread is on the First Page.
So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts,
TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL
(by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and
BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE,
IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post.

So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you",
THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB
and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS
(the Stolen, Dehydrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT",
"you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home,
recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!
and the other one that wasn't mine, now lives here, happily,
on the 2 1/2 feet he has left),
gives people GOOD REASON TO READ
WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...
posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS,
THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry
IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE,
AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.

Two critically injured
in chemical blast at Cannons Creek
Angus Thompson, Jessica Craven
From:Herald Sun
August 22, 2011 12:00AM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/two-critically-injured-in-chemical-blast-at-cannons-creek/story-fn7x8me2-1226119289534
17 comments
RELATED COVERAGE:
Cyprus Naval Base Blast
NEWS.com.au, 12 Jul 2011

Gee, OVER 17 hours old,
and with ALL 'Those'
AUSTRALIAN MODERATORS
and AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS
at DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS...
...STILL, NO ONE (DARE? )
POST THIS NEWS, FULL OF
the BLOODY, GORY stuff that 'they'
USUALLY LOVE TO LAUGH ABOUT...
...when it HAPPENS TO 'their' TARGETS


horror, wing, walker,
helicopter, 60m, death,
Todd Green
...gee, only some of,
"cori" and "tintin's" Favourite
CODE/TRIGGER KEYS,
from only one headline,
of this, BIG, TODAY'S NEWS,
and where are 'they'...
August 22, 2011

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES
An airshow audience's gasps of awe
turned to gasps of horror
as wing walker Todd Green
lost his grip from a helicopter
and plunged 60m
to his death.
Picture: AP
Read More
Wing walker tragedy
...NOT posting about it,
or any of this, either...

true lilly wrote:
NOW, 16 MODERATORS at DAVID ICKE Official Forums:

lookfar, tusme, ozpixie, thirdwave,

measle_weasel, merlincove, ufochick,

mace, drhemp, thommo, scottishryan,

hunter77, weeman, atlantabizgal,

infidelyork, edelweiss pirate

...despite how many have STOPPED POSTING...
...maybe something to do with...

This post was made by Billy Ruben who is currently on your ignore list.
So what do/does 'he/she/they' NOT GET?

Why the need to keep texting me about 'their' latest posts
in 'their' very personal, literal, war against me, as if I
and my opinions, matter more than, The War being fought?

I've often made it perfectly clear that I'm more than happy
to speak WITH any, real, individual person, about what I post,
but even when 'Billy/Jason' does ring and speak AT me, 'he'
can't be bothered remembering, where 'he's' supposed to be,
'who's' supposed to have told 'him' what, or that 'he' can't block
the number or location, from which 'he' makes 'his' worst threats,
from 'those who know and matter'.

And so, being a self proven, as well as self confessed,
NOT so Secret [anymore] Agenda Pushing, 'Agent'
of the BAD 'them'...yep, there is a GOOD 'them'...I can't
keep treating 'him/her/them' as if 'they' are not the very
same, very dangerously deceitful ilk, I first stated posting
warnings for real individuals to take heed of.

Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...

...got another call from him, to inform me of this thread...
...idiots...they couldn't even start to construct a believable tale...
...the price of that 'intelligence' supplied by idiots ...anyway...

Poor 'Billy'...outing his/her 'mates', left, right and centre...
...and at such a time... ...Team Leader "tintin" will be miffed,
with 'YOU' and...

true lilly wrote:He IS INSANE!
But NOT in a nice, 'stupid, so innocent' way.
He is Heavily, Cunningly, INVESTED IN LAYING THE FOUNDATION
FOR GLOBAL, 'BEAST' WORSHIP.
And EDITS The Official David Icke Forum.
Oh, he has also CLAIMED TO BE JESUS,
and now that HE IS (RE)WRITING GOD'S WORD.

true lilly wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Jesus eh? GOOD! We killit 'im once, we can killim again!

There ARE TWO DEATHS, ONLY the Second IS FOREVER
and You Just SIGNED UP FOR BOTH. ... and I'll restate:
Why 'be gentle' with SCUM that swan around the world
and gather at EXCLUSIVE 5 star dinners to gaffaw at how
easy it is to CON the world? ... That's RHETORICAL ... !

'Funny', though, how
'they' can't take the joke, of
the intended victims laughing at the joy
of one more hour of Blessed Life...
...that is another WARNING, as 'they' are
committed to KILLING THEMSELVES TO KILL
(ALL WHO REFUSE), to BOW TO THE BEAST,
and so, DIE TWICE and FOREVER.

And the idiot is still texting me with more cow manure
that further OUTS 'their' FILTHY FILTH as FILTH......TO,
those 'cleaning them up'... ...yes 'Jason/Billy/and The Mob',
I do THINK, and
I do think 'you' have, "given a shit",
right down the legs 'you' still have,
unlike
other's who 'bought' 'your' SATANIC RELIGIONS ,
who may not be that happy with what 'you MOB' PREACH,
anymore...

I don't know how far 'Billy Ruben' outed those
he was slaving to defend, but I do hope that
at least some, if not all of them, will finally see,
clearly enough, to stop cursing their blessings,
repent, and live...their own lives, and, stop trying
to prevent me from living mine...what, you say, 'if
I really cared, I'd have made the pill sweeter!'...but,
I did, for decades, I made it ever so sweet, smooth,
small and easy to swallow, when I should have realized
that they were so poisoned with bitterness, what they
really needed, way back then, was a bloody big enema!

Scientists claim
bacteria fossils discovered
in Port Hedland are more than
3.4 billion years old
From:AAP
August 22, 2011 9:00AM


A 3D image of the 3.4 billion-year-old microfossil found in Western Australia. Picture: AFP / David Wacey and Derek Gertsmann.



Strelley Pool in Pilbara region of Western Australia
where the fossils were found. Picture: AFP / David Wacey

SCIENTISTS in Western Australia have uncovered fossils which they say are the oldest evidence of life on earth.

A team of researchers from the University of WA and Britain's
Oxford University say they have proof that the microscopic fossils,
found at Strelley Pool near Port Hedland, are more than 3.4 billion
years old.

The sulphur-based bacteria was found well preserved between quartz sand
grains in prehistoric sedimentary rocks, Oxford University's Professor
Martin Brasier said.

"We can be very sure about the age (of the fossils) as the rocks
were formed between two volcanic successions that narrow
the possible age down to a few tens of millions of years," he said in a statement.
The fossils are very clearly preserved, showing precise cell-like structures
all of a similar size, the research team said.

"At last we have good solid evidence
for life over 3.4 billion years ago.
It confirms there were bacteria
at this time, living without oxygen," Prof Brasier said.

"Such bacteria are still common today.
Sulphur bacteria are found in smelly ditches,
soil, hot springs, hydrothermal vents —
anywhere where there's little free oxygen
and they can live off organic matter."

In recent years new scientific benchmarks have been introduced
that must be satisfied by researchers before claims can be made
about the age of fossils.

The West Australian fossils pass crucial tests including that the forms seen in
the rocks are biological and have not occurred through some mineralisation process,
Prof Brasier said.
"We're now making detailed comparisons with all other early microfossils, and we're very optimistic for future finds," he said.

"The work also has implications for looking for life on other planets,
giving an indication of what evidence for such life might look like."

( ...'they' say...but MEAN:
IT'S SOLID EVIDENCE WE CAN TRUST
WHAT GOD TOLD US,
ABOUT "THE BEGINNING",
FROM THE BEGINNING ...
and, HOW IT WILL ALL PAN OUT!)

Oldest vertebrate fossil found in Australia,
scientists say
Thursday, 23 October 2003


Our oldest ancestor?
560 million year old 'tadpole'
found in South Australia
(South Australian Museum)
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/ancient/AncientRepublish_973390.htm

Oh and there is so much more of this sort of news,
that sings the truth of God's Word, scattered, planted,
buried, all over the place, for those who do care to,
SEARCH WITH THEIR WHOLE HEART, MIND and STRENGTH.



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true lilly wrote:So cori=wants 99.9% of humans dead,
which of my enemies in the real world, are
you supporting?

Those who say 'they' "channel jeesuss",
or those who come straight out and admit
that 'the lord's prayer' they 'raised' their kids by,
was 'the lord's prayer'
straight out of The Satanic Bible.

And now it seems 'Jason'
has lost the ability to read at all,
as well as comprehend.

Maybe I'll just have to forward all his texts
to all 'those' 'respected' people
he is so overtly, so publicly,
demonstrating his supported association with,
in 'their' mutual pushing of the same
(not so secret anymore), satanic agenda,
and let 'them' sort 'their' own yapping dog.

And so what if some among them,
are, actually worthy of respect,
or just haven't had their cover blown yet;
surely they are entitled
to know the public and private character of
those who Publicly claim to privately
Share a Satanic Association with
those who claim to be
'Christian' Business People.

11:46AM Monday Aug 22, 2011

Today's News


Miracle at The Gap
Miracle at The Gap:
the day Nellie tried to end it
and came out alive

...and that was only a tiny sample
of the countless examples of why the wise,
keep, The First Commandment, First and Last.

Billy Ruben wrote:and more babyfuckers and occultist,that she knows nothing about,hence the ineffective Kinesiology bullshit she recommends...

you are the babyfucker and have childporn,cause you're a sick fucked up unit and blame others,time for Gaol Suzy,I will use this next with the police,don't believe,just watch me,babyfucker...

'Billy Ruben' ... and ... 'cori'

true lilly wrote:it would be really nice if what I post Would appear AS I write and format it
first time, every time...
but that ain't gunna happen, is it....prob for the best....

...police have confirmed
a shovel
was placed outside the Melbourne home
of Health Services Union national secretary
Kathy Jackson.

Victoria Police
are investigating the incident,
with the shovel
believed to have been placed
at her front door
in the early hours
of Friday morning.

Shovel found as MP saga intensifies


Staff Reporters and AAP
UPDATE 4.31pm:
UNION chief who sent
MP claims to police
finds shovel outside home,
as doubts raised over
PM's office link to probe.

Craig Thomson focus turns to Julia Gillard's office
Staff Reporters and AAP
From:Herald Sun,
AAP
August 26, 2011
12:00AM

81 comments

Craig Thomson in Parliament yesterday.
Picture: Kym Smith The Daily Telegraph
1 of 2

Julia Gillard and Craig Thomson in 2007.
Picture: Waide Maguire Herald Sun

UPDATE 4.31pm: JULIA Gillard today said it was "unremarkable" that
her chief of staff "checked a fact" over the Craig Thomson brothel
scandal.

The Prime Minister also accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of
trying to "bully authorities" over the issue and said he was motivated
by being upset he did not win the last election.

The Herald Sun revealed today the Julia Gillard's chief of staff personally rang the
industrial registrar in early 2009 - before fraud allegations were made
public - to ask if he was investigating Labor MP Craig Thomson.

Former industrial registrar Doug Williams last night confirmed he told Ben
Hubbard he was legally unable to provide any information about
investigations.

It comes as police have confirmed a shovel was
placed outside the Melbourne home of Health Services Union national
secretary Kathy Jackson.

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Related Coverage

Accusations: Gillard fights back on scandal
Phillip Hudson: And the big mud pies fly
PM denies prior knowledge of furor The Daily Telegraph, 1 hour ago
Threat won't sway me: union chief The Australian, 2 hours ago
Abbott says PM has brothel answers Courier Mail, 2 hours ago
Doubts over PM pressure in MP probe Herald Sun, 3 hours ago
Blows traded over Thomson 'interference' The Australian, 4 hours ago

Victoria Police are investigating the incident, with the shovel
believed to have been placed at her front door in the early hours of
Friday morning.
The allegations raise questions about when Ms Gillard -
who was deputy prime minister and workplace relations minister
at the time - first learned about claims that Mr Thomson had stolen
Health Service Union funds to pay for prostitutes.

Ms Gillard rejected suggestions the call by her chief of staff Ben Hubbard proved
she knew about the allegations involving Mr Thomson and covered it up.

She said both her and Mr Hubbard did not remember the call because it was unremarkable.
"A COS checking a fact with a public servant is completely unremarkable."
She said the allegations had been published in 2009 by the Sydney Morning Herald.
Ms Gillard said her COS was checking facts but Mr Abbott and his team were trying to interfere.

Ms Gillard and Attorney-General Robert McClelland were yesterday scathing
of shadow attorney-general Senator George Brandis, who revealed he
phoned NSW Police Minister Mike Gallacher before sending evidence about
Mr Thomson to NSW police commissioner Andrew Scipione.

Mr Abbott today demanded Ms Gillard detail what she knew
about the Thomson affair and when she knew it.

"I think she owes it to the public to tell us exactly what she knew, when
she knew it and what she did about it," Mr Abbott told the Nine Network.

"No doubt if she has a reasonable explanation the public will give her
credit for that, but she needs to give us her explanation."

It comes after Mr Abbott yesterday attacked the Prime Minister for not
asking Mr Thomson to make a statement to parliament on the issue.
Ms Gillard said addressing parliament was a matter for Mr Thomson.

Cabinet minister Tony Burke said there was nothing sinister in the staff member
making inquiries, and described the story as ridiculous.

"Lots of rumours go around Canberra, most of them are untrue, so a staff member
rings up a public servant and says we've heard there's an investigation
is this true, public servant says can't tell you. And that's the end of the matter,"
Mr Burke told the Seven Network.

Mr Thomson will probably face a police investigation into claims
he skimmed more than $150,000 from union accounts.

The Herald Sun can also reveal the HSU failed to pay $300,000 in ACTU fees while
Mr Thomson was alleged to have been defrauding his credit card.

Mr Williams, who retired as industrial registrar in December 2009, said he
took the phone call from Mr Hubbard "concerning inquiries I had initiated into
the Health Services Union".

"I observed that because of my independent statutory position as industrial registrar I
was not in a position to provide any information," he said.
The allegations Mr Thomson used union funds
to pay for prostitutes and other personal items
were first published in April 2009.

Mr Williams is believed to have
begun inquiries into the HSU's
Victorian branch in 2008
before widening the probe
to the National Office.

A spokesman for the Prime Minister said: "There is regular communication
between ministerial chiefs of staff and senior public servants to
confirm facts. Mr Hubbard has no specific recall of the conversation."

An ACTU spokesman confirmed the HSU has now paid back its debts.

- with Philip Hudson, Steve Lewis, Andrew Clennell and AAP
__________________________________________

It's an oldie...

you can call a spade, a spade
...a shovel, a shovel...or...
...both...

...a murder weapon...

...that also disposes of the evidence...

P.S. .....................................................................................................................
.....................ah!forgedabowdet..............................................

)
ATTACK

true lilly wrote:Oh, a little detail I left out:

the person targeted by the first car bomb,
is a respectable and respected, Servant of The Court.

But don't worry about us, I also Raised them to abhor vengeance.
It's One of the reasons she is so liked and respected by her peers.

Doing Justice, Protecting the weak, Speaking for the voiceless,
Caring for the fatherless, and other such Christian Values,
such as working to make bad things better, rather that being bitter,
is what drew her to scholarship her way through Law.

true lilly wrote:And how do 'they' most effectively terrorise good people?
By THREATENING THEIR CHILDREN!

Which is what this thread:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=185349
attempts to do, while blaming The Creator of Life,
FOR THE EVILS OF MAN that WAR AGAINST GOD.

All while twisted pieces of meat like this 'name',
arcyclus('their' avatar IS a DEAD Give Away )
ATTACK those who care to warn that,
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=185349&page=5

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=185349&page=6
THAT IS WHAT DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS
IS DESIGNED TO DO!

David Icke Official Forums="TERRORIST SITE"?

true lilly wrote:Oh, a little detail I left out:

the person targeted by the first car bomb,
is a respectable and respected, Servant of The Court.

But don't worry about us, I also Raised them to abhor vengeance.
It's One of the reasons she is so liked and respected by her peers.

Doing Justice, Protecting the weak, Speaking for the voiceless,
Caring for the fatherless, and other such Christian Values,
such as working to make bad things better, rather that being bitter,
is what drew her to scholarship her way through Law.

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:Devil is in the art detail

The eye-catching sculptures.

Devil is in the art detail as Melbourne Festival 2011 begins
by:Simon Plant
From:Herald Sun
October 06, 2011 12:00AM
Apple founder Steve Jobs dead
by:Staff reporters
From:Herald Sun
October 06, 2011 10:44AM
ARE these 6m-high jet-black babies demonic angels, or angelic demons?
Both, actually. And they have magically descended on the city to mark tonight's launch of the 2011 Melbourne Festival.
Festival director Brett Sheehy fully expects these "mischievous monstrosities"
made of black resin to turn heads.
"It's an arresting and playful sculptural spectacle," he said yesterday, as
the Angels-Demons Parade was installed on Swanston St and St Kilda Rd.
The supersized infants - each one weighs a tonne - are the handiwork of a
subversive Russian art collective called AES F and have come all the way
from Antwerp.

Steve Jobs
After the Resignation

This picture of Steve Jobs was taken today --
two days after he resigned as the head honcho of Apple.


No, I didn't make any of this 'art', nor put it on the first Google page,
but when I saw those demonic sculptures, I just knew we'd have 'news'
to match it...and boy didn't it...in fact, I left out, a lot of what those,
'artist' types, would scream is 'disrespectful' and 'offensive'...as 'they'
scream at us, 'they' have a 'right' and 'duty' to 'offend' and 'confront',
everyone...with things like....

This statue is in the same Norway park.
The naked babies are attacking this innocent naked man

The photograph shows a sculpture by artist Patricia Piccinini.
The sculpture named "The Young Family", was part of the We are Family
exhibition displayed in the Australian Pavilion of the
50th Biennale of Venice in 2003.

"YOU" may be "family", but no family of mine, when "YOU" support and defend
this evil brainwashing, while throwing "YOUR" own young relatives at "THEM",
for "YOUR" social 'standing' and financial 'benefit'.


Beside the headline “Discover Norway,”
an urban woman walks through

Oslo’s Vigeland Sculpture Park,
one of the capital city’s most popular,

and most photographed,
tourist attractions

START WITH THE CHILD SEX INDUSTRY ADVERTISING 'artists'

Child erotica refers to any non-nude or semi-nude photographs and videos of children (minors) in sexually suggestive poses,^[1] and is also defined as any material relating to children that is used by any individuals for sexual purposes.^[2][3] Child erotica may include, in addition to images, other materials that may cause sexual arousal such as children's diaries, drawings, underwear, letters, and other similar items.^[3][4] Law enforcement investigators have found that child erotica is often collected by paedophiles and child sexual abuse offenders.^[1] Some child erotica images are distributed over the internet and presented in a fashion similar to non-erotic child modeling.

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:First intelligent news you've reported in years.Even a crackpot like you,gets the idea,the way forward,is to mimic,re-create,natural phenomenon and physics,don't expect me to agree to often though,way ahead of you madam.Were you ever familiar with the wide-bodied aircraft designs of Brunelli?Much safer,fuel efficient and need shorter runways,but do go on madam,I'm sure you won't understand this screen capture,nor did the hospitsl porter niether.

Of course 'Billy Ruben',
who BOASTS of LUSTING AFTER CHILDREN, and
USING PART Aboriginal blood and MENTAL 'illness'
to GET AWAY WITH CRIMINAL ACTS
WOULD POST THAT HERE,
where I post SERIOUS NEWS Like THIS:

You do not post serious news,you make baseless slander,then post news items supporting your slander.So,I get away with crimes do I,spose you were disappointed with Taree Polices lack of will,eh?I know you've been up to dirty tricks,but they don't work,do they.Niether do mine either.Cause you'd be in a psyche ward by now.You need assessment and care.

Billy Ruben wrote:I want an answer true Lilly,why does Atlantabizgirl cover up for baby rapist???

Billy Ruben wrote:

True Lilly wrote:
And Moderator

atlantabizgal, QUACKS LIKE THE QUACKS WHO
FUCK, TORTURE and COVER UP FOR OTHERS
WHO FUCK and TORTURE BABIES.

See, "THEY" ALL AVOID THE FACT, that,
LIKE CORI,
THAT CHILD RAPIST BOASTED OF HIS EVILS,
TO HIS FELLOW VIOLENT CRIMINALS,
that HE KNEW, PUNISH CHILD RAPISTS.

Which means only two things:
1- he believed he was "untouchable".
A valuable lesson for all such fools.

2- he didn't want to live with himself anymore.
He got the (temporary) relief he begged for.

That's a pretty big call dragging the new kid on the block,labelling Atlantabizgirl a baby rapist,now how did she earn your wrath today.Did she say something to an evil sockpuppet you have hidden at DIF,was there unwarranted spam,in the form of a valid question?
Please,enthrall me with your conclusion and reasons...

Billy Ruben wrote:atlantabizgal
Moderator


Look at those eyes,how could you say these things True Lilly,there will be tears spilled for this,mark my words...

True Lilly,you just can't say these things about anybody that takes your displeasure,which,as it turns out,is very easy to do.But just because you had a bad uncle who payed late night visits with bourbon smelling breath,does'nt mean you're a child abuse specialist nor counsellor,please refrain in future,making unfounded accusations,that is all for now.

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:True Lilly,how do you run a successful fund raiser?
I did a "Save Billys Arse Appeal",not a fucking cent I saw,hoping to raise cash for an escape to Holland.

I have'nt got a car.I need a car.Preferabley a special variant,in mickey mouse condition,cared for and cheap.

How do I scam people to buy me this car,cause I need a car and don't want to pay for it?



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-COMMODORE-1992-VP-WAGON-WHITE-V6-AUTO-AIR-CON-VN-VR-VS-VT-HSV-/250901869559?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a6aeab3f7

Billy needs car....please help Billy.

I really just don't have the dosh off hand,that's all...nice beast with excellent suspension...

cori wrote:

Some neighbor tries to poison you?

...reminds me to 'someone else' who was in this forum talking about neighbors that poison them beat'em up etc

Ciggy wrote:Spamtastic

true lilly wrote:So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.

I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:

barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.

See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.

Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.

SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.

P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:

1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”

A. Two obvious difficulties

Chapter 127 of Sefer Tehillim (like the following one – 128) belongs to a relatively small group of psalms that may be referred to as “wisdom psalms." Their aim is to educate towards a proper world-view, to inculcate biblical life-experience in the reader – like Sefer Mishlei and other books of wisdom. While the great majority of the psalms address the relationship between man and God, these “psalms of wisdom” deal with guidance for life (the assumption being, needless to say, that one’s life is always centered around God). While most of the psalms reflect a “vertical” relationship, between man and God, the “psalms of wisdom” (and the biblical literature of wisdom in general) is “horizontal” – i.e., inter-personal.[1]

The psalm is presented above as a poem should be written in brief lines and divided into stanzas.[2] From the point of view of literal exegesis, it seems straightforward and presents little difficulty.[3] However, even upon the most superficial initial reading, two questions immediately present themselves concerning the structure of the psalm and its thematic integrity:

The first question pertains to the psalm as a whole. We see that it is comprised of two halves, each addressing a different subject and each with a different atmosphere. Stanzas 1-3 express one idea: that man’s efforts alone will not bear fruit if God is not a partner to his efforts. The atmosphere here is a negative one, as expressed in the thrice-repeated negation – “shav” (in vain) concerning the three examples cited to illustrate the main idea: the building of a house, the guarding of a city, and hard work in order to make a living. The same idea could be expressed in a positive way: “When God desires a man’s ways, his endeavors will succeed”, or “It is God Who gives person strength to build a house and to guard a city." However, our psalm chooses the negative formulation: in the absence of God’s partnership in man’s actions, all of his endeavors will amount to nothing.

The second half of the psalm (stanzas 4-7), in contrast, has a different subject: the blessing that comes to a man who has “children of his youth."

The stanzas of each of the two halves are united around the same subject, and we note an inner development in each of them. However, we are left with the question: What is the connection between the two halves of the psalm? Is there one single idea which the psalm as a whole is trying to express? In other words, is our psalm an integral whole? Is it built in a manner that serves to mold a single idea, or is it a composite of two independent parts under the same heading (“A Song of Degrees for Shlomo”), brought together for reasons which remain to be discovered?

The second obvious difficulty in our psalm concerns the words at the end of verse 2: “For to those who love Him He will give tranquility." Even on the level of literal meaning, the intention here is not clear: what is the meaning of the first word, “ken”? Does it mean “so”, or “such”, such hat this verse stands in comparison to something that appeared previously? If so – what, and what is the significance of the comparison? Or, perhaps “ken” means “indeed”? The word “shena” (tranquility) likewise presents some difficulty. Does this mean “rest” (‘shena’ spelled with a ‘heh’ at the end), as some of the earlier commentators suggest? If so, we must ask why the word here ends with an “alef." And what does the phrase mean, as a whole? Perhaps this word has some other meaning. If so – what is it?

The greatest difficulty here concerns the place of these words: Do they belong to the third stanza and the first part of the psalm?[4] This seems unlikely since, as we have pointed out, the atmosphere of the first half is negative, while these words – no matter how we interpret them – are unquestionably formulated in a positive manner. There is some sort of positive gift that God is bestowing on those who love Him. This being the case, perhaps these words are meant to serve as an introduction to the second half? The problem is that the subject of this half is the blessing of children that comes to man from God. The phrase in question seems to have nothing to do with this theme.

Since we are initially unable to decide where these words belong, we leave them for the meantime in a section of their own, in between the third and fourth stanzas – or, between the two halves of the psalm.

In the next shiurim we will attempt to analyze the psalm in an orderly manner, with the hope of finding answers to our questions above.

Translated by Kaeren Fish

[1] Aside from psalms 127 and 128, we may note the following examples: 1, (34), 37, 45, 49, (78), 112, 133. The chapters in parentheses are those which cannot be unequivocally categorized. In his book, “Sheki’ei Chokhma be-Sefer Tehillim” (Magnes, Jerusalem 5751), Prof. Avi Horwitz discusses the identification of “wisdom psalms” in Sefer Tehillim from a linguistic perspective. In the first chapter of his book he presents a critical review of the approaches proposed by scholars who preceded him in this field of inquiry, and of their scope. On p. 128 of his book he presents a synoptic table comparing ten different views, dating from the 1930’s until the present. The table shows that there is consensus among eight or more scholars concerning only five psalms: 1, 34, 37, 49, and 112. Some of the scholars identify as many as fourteen “psalms of wisdom”; others count a total that is much smaller (five or six).

The list of psalms at the beginning of this note does not follow any particular approach, nor have we involved ourselves deeply in the methodological question of identifying the “wisdom psalms”. Our criteria were, firstly, the “audience” to whom the psalm is addressed – God or man – and secondly, the content and style of the psalm.

The topic is itself worthy of thorough discussion, and I do not pretend to do it justice here. Therefore, the list here should be regarded as no more than an initial impression arising from these psalms.

It should further be noted that Psalm 91, which we analyzed in previous shiurim, also possesses some of the distinctive characteristics of a “wisdom psalm," and indeed one of the ten scholars included in Horwitz’s survey does include it in his list.

[2] In our analysis of Psalm 130 (mi-ma’amakim) we discussed the importance of presenting the psalms in Sefer Tehillim in a manner that highlights their lyrical character.

[3] “The bread of toil” (lechem ha-atzabim) means bread eaten in sorrow. The idea here is that the worker is so exhausted by his intensive and prolonged labor that he eats not in a relaxed frame of mind, but rather in sorrow. This hints to God’s words to Adam (Bereishit 3:17), “Cursed is the land because of you; you shall eat of it in sorrow (be-itzavon)," and further on (verse 19), “you shall eat bread by the sweat of your brow”. However, the meaning in our psalm is slightly different: here the verse is talking about the bread that accompanies man’s hard labor. We deduce this from the parallel between the words “mashkimei”/ ”me’acharei”/ ”ochlei," all of which describe human action and effort, not its results.

The words “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” will be discussed below.

“The children of one’s youth” means that children who are born to a person while he is still young. Similarly, “eshet ne’urim” means a woman whom a man marries in his youth.

[4] As we must conclude if the word ‘ken’ is understood to mean “thus” or “so”.

Shiur #11: Psalm 127 - Continued

By Rav Elchanan Samet


(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo/Solomon:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



B. The parallel between stanzas a and b, and their hidden meaning


The first two stanzas of our psalm maintain a synonymous[1], direct[2], complete[3] parallel, as follows:

If God does not build a house its builders labor in vain.



If God does not guard a city the guard stays awake in vain.



There is a thematic development between the two hemistiches: the “city” is a collection of houses which have already been built and which now require security: they need a watchman.

In contrast to this broadening of the perspective in the second limb in relation to the first, we also find the opposite phenomenon: the building of the house, in the first limb, is carried out by a number of “builders," while the guarding of the city (with its many houses) is carried out by a single “guard." The reason for this linguistic difference would seem to be that the construction of a house does usually involve a number of workers (whether for the sake of finishing the work sooner or because a variety of artisans are needed for different tasks), whereas the city can be guarded by a single watchman looking out for approaching enemies from an observation post where he can see them while they are still far off and raise the alarm by sounding the shofar or by directly notifying the king.[4]

Is it the intention of these two stanzas to nullify the value of man’s efforts to build his house and to protect the security of his city? This cannot be possible; it would be an offense both to common sense and to the prevailing biblical view that a person must exert effort for the sake of securing his own existence.[5] Indeed, those among the early commentators who interpret our psalm in its general human context (and not in relation to the building of the Temple)[6] explain that it does not contradict common sense or the accepted biblical conventions concerning human effort. According to their interpretations, man’s own efforts are a necessary but insufficient condition, and in the absence of God’s hidden involvement, man’s efforts will not attain their objective.

Ibn Ezra explains:

Since (the verse) starts by mentioning building (of a house), which is a great need for people… and the meaning of (the words), “toil in vain” is – if God does not help them, or brings a strong wind that can destroy everything. Thus, (the verse) mentions the artisans – who are the builders, thereafter the watchmen of the building – who are the watchmen of the city… and then (in the third stanza), the merchants of the city.


The Meiri expresses the same idea somewhat more clearly:

(The psalm) says, as advice and guidance for people, that when they invest effort in their property, even though effort is good, one should not place one’s faith in his own efforts and not think, when he obtains his desire, that it was his effort that achieved this for him. Rather, everything is from the blessed God, and it is He Who inspired him to make the effort, and it is He Who brought him to achieve his desire. The Torah warns, in this regard (Devarim 8:17-18), “And you say in your heart, ‘My strength and the might of my hand have achieved all this wealth for me,’" up until “you shall remember the Lord your God, for is it He Who gives you strength to make wealth”.[7]

After completing his commentary on the first three stanzas of our psalm, he comes back to his original message:

And all of this (is meant) not to discourage one from investing effort – for you will find no wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth. Rather, (the message is that) one should not place all of his trust in it (i.e., human effort), and not believe, when he achieves (his aim), that he has achieved what he has by his own effort; rather, God has graciously given it to him.

Given the Meiri’s view that our psalm provides general moral and religious guidance for all people, it seems strange that the psalmist choose the negative formulation to teach this lesson (“Unless God builds a house…”), rather than a positive formulation (“Only if God…”). Hence, it would appear that our psalm is meant to serve as rebuke to people who act improperly and who believe that only through their own strength and might can they build themselves houses and cities[8], and ensure their own security and livelihood. It is to these people that the psalmist declares that their efforts will be in vain, for God will not look with favor upon their actions, and they will not last if they are contrary to God’s will.



(to be continued)

Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] A synonymous parallel is one where the two limbs express identical or similar content. The opposite of a synonymous parallel is a contrasting parallel, for example: “A wise son makes his father joyful, but a foolish son is the grief of his mother” (Mishlei 10:1).

The terminology used here represents a translation of that set down in an article by Batsheva Brosh, “Hora’at ha-Tikbolet be-Shira ha-Mikrait”, published in Al ha-Perek 1, 1984, pp. 51-61.

[2] A direct parallel is one where structurally the two limbs are set out in the same order. The opposite of a direct parallel is a chiastic parallel. These two terms have nothing to do with the content of the limbs in question: both a direct parallel and a chiastic parallel may be either synonymous or contrasting, in terms of content (see previous note).

[3] A complete parallel is where the same syntactical elements appear in both limbs. The opposite of a complete parallel is an incomplete parallel, where one of the limbs is missing some syntactical element which exists in the other limb, and this element must be added from one limb to the other (sometimes from the first limb to the second, at other times the other way around).

[4] An exact description of the role of the watchman is to be found in Yechezkel 33:1-6 (and further on, the role of the prophet is compared to that of the watchman). A description of the specific action performed by the watchman is to be found in Shmuel II 13:34, and in more detail in Shmuel II 18:24-27 and Melakhim II 9:17-20. In the three latter sources, the watchman fulfills his task by notifying the king of the approach of some (still distant) unidentified party. However, in each of these cases it turns out that the party in question is not an enemy coming to conquer the city.

Since the action of the watchman is not connected to physical activity, like that of the builders of the house, the word “bo” is absent from the second limb of the parallel.

[5] The sources cited in the previous note suffice to show that guarding the city is regarded as an absolute obligation, and that anyone who is negligent in this regard is fully responsible for the consequences (see the description of the watchman in Yechezkel 33).

Similarly, a person’s obligation to work for his livelihood is likewise clear in Tanakh. For example, Tehillim 104:23: “Man goes out to his work and to his labor until evening.”

In Sefer Mishlei we find many recommendations for significant human effort and conscientiousness in work for the sake of making a living (as we will discuss further on), but concerning a person’s home we read in Kohelet 10:18 – “From sloth the beams collapse, and through idleness of the hands the house leaks”.

This subject is addressed at length (including a discussion of our psalm) in a book by Dr. Amos Frisch, “Yegi’a Kapecha – Yachas ha-Mikra el ha-Avoda”, Ha-Kibbutz ha-Me’uchad, 5759.

[6] Most of the commentators explain this psalm, taking a cue from its introductory words, as referring to the building of the Temple, whether by David – who exerted considerable effort but was unsuccessful, or by Shlomo – who finally did built it. Some of these commentators go on to explain it as referring to “people of the world” – i.e., they regard it as a “psalm of wisdom” that imparts a lesson to all of mankind. We will adopt this view in our study of the psalm.

[7] It would seem that the Meiri cites the verses here from his memory. He misquotes verse 18 slightly; I have cited the correct version of the verse.

[8] I am reminded of the builders of the Tower of Bavel, who said (Bereishit 11:4), “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower…”. They disregarded the message of our psalm, concerned only with their own strength and their name. However, God “did not build” the city and the tower, but sought to halt their construction, and therefore (verse “God dispersed them from there over all of the face of the earth, and they ceased to build the city.”

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



C. Stanza 3 in comparison with its predecessors



The third stanza differs from its predecessors in several respects. Firstly, it lacks the negative conditional clause – “If God does not…." This could convey the impression that awakening early and settling late are negative in and of themselves, independently of the question of God’s partnership in the efforts of those who conduct themselves in this way.



Secondly, while both of the previous stanzas speak in the third person of people who exert effort in vain, here we find that the psalmist addresses them directly, in the second person: “It is vain for you…."



Thirdly, while the “vain” action in each of the previous stanzas was a single activity (building, guarding), described in a single line of poetry, the third stanza offers three different vain activities (arising early, settling late, eating), all carried out for a single purpose – apparently, to make a living – but this purpose is not mentioned in the text.[1] This stanza therefore consists entirely of the three actions whose heading is, “in vain."



We must now ask, does the third stanza represent a smooth thematic continuation of its predecessors, or do the differences between them indicate that some new point is being made here?



Notwithstanding the differences set forth above, there are several decisive factors that place the third stanza as an unbroken continuation.



Firstly, the appearance of the word “shav” (“in vain”) at the outset represents the third repetition of this word, after it has appeared in each of the two previous stanzas. Apparently, the intention here is as it was in the previous stanzas: “There is no value to your actions unless God is party to them.”



Secondly, the types of human activity addressed previously – the building of a house and the guarding of a city – illustrate two typical areas of human existential endeavor: finding shelter and ensuring security. The third stanza seems to complement these by presenting another – even more prominent – typical existential area of effort: economic viability.



The three stanzas would therefore appear to represent a single idea that is broken down into three examples. It is therefore not reasonable to posit that the third stanza comes to present a new idea, different from the one expressed in the first two, without explaining its meaning.



What, then, is the meaning of the differences between the third stanza and its predecessors?



Let us first address the matter of the missing condition: “Unless God…." For this purpose we must go back to the parallel nature of the stanzas.



The third stanza itself is built as a parallel with three limbs.[2] Is there also a parallel between the third stanza and the previous two? (We have already seen that the first two stanzas maintain a clear parallel.)



The answer would seem to be clearly in the affirmative. The third stanza is a parallel in synonymous, chiastic, incomplete[3] form, as follows:



Stanzas a,b: If God does not…. … in vain





Stanza c: It is vain for you --



Considering that the third stanza parallels the previous stanzas in terms of content (hence our definition of this as a “synonymous parallel”), we must ask why its structure is different (bringing the consequence to the beginning of the sentence, and thereby producing a chiastic parallel), and why this stanza is lacking a part, requiring the intuition of its complement on the basis of the two previous stanzas (hence the definition as an “incomplete parallel”).



The answer to these questions is that all of the changes characterizing stanza c. in relation to its predecessors arise from the fact that this stanza concludes the first section of the psalm. I shall presently explain what this means.



When a chiastic parallel follows a direct one, it is often meant to “wrap up” the statement that is being made. As in many other instances in Tanakh, the chiasm here expresses conclusion and confirmation.[4] The third stanza concludes the first section of the psalm, and is therefore presented as a chiastic parallel to the two preceding stanzas.



The fact that the parallel is incomplete arises from the length of the description, in this stanza, of actions that are “vain”: there is an enumeration of three actions instead of a single one as in the previous stanzas. Thus, the number of words in this stanza (9) is equal to the number in the previous stanzas. Had the conditional clause (“Unless God…”) been added here, the quantitative balance would have been lost, with the consequent implications for the rhythm which would have been similarly affected – along with aesthetic considerations.[5]



However, we may ask: why does the third stanza need to enumerate three different activities that are undertaken “in vain”, rather than sufficing with just one? The answer is, once again, that since this stanza “sums up” the message of the first part of the psalm, the idea of “vanity” is expressed here with greater intensity and with greater variation – and hence, necessarily, at greater length. I will explain this further.



We have already hinted above that the example of human effort in the quest for existential needs that is discussed in this third stanza – the toil to ensure economic viability, to obtain sustenance – is a more obvious example than either of the two preceding ones. Why is this so?



The building of a house lasts for a limited time. When the action is complete, the house stands firm, and its inhabitant has satisfied his existential need for shelter.

The guarding of a city, in contrast, is an action that continues – every day and every night. However, this action is not one that every person engages in. The city guards are a small, defined group of people for whom guarding is a permanent, professional occupation. Furthermore, while guarding the city is unquestionably a position of great responsibility, it does not involve much physical effort – unlike many other human endeavors (such as building a house).



In a league of its own is the Sisyphean effort to make a living. This ongoing effort is the lot of every person, for all of his life. It requires that a person devote his days, from early in the morning until the evening, to hard work involving physical and mental exertion.



Thus, the message here is that it is not only the relatively brief endeavors (such as building a house) or professional specializations (like guarding) whose success depends on Divine involvement and help, but also – and especially – the endeavor that is most characteristic of the human condition, and the most demanding: making a living.



In light of this, the third stanza represents the most intensive expression of the idea set forth in the first part of the psalm. This also explains the extra enumeration of actions that are carried out “in vain” in this stanza – with ramifications for its structure and its parallel relationship with its predecessors.



The third stanza involves one further development: the psalmist addresses the people toiling to earn their bread in the second person: “It is vain for you…." This technique serves to intensify the tone of reproof that was already hinted at in the previous stanzas.



Previously, we noted that the formulation of the moral, religious message of our psalm in the negative (“Unless God builds… in vain”) alludes to the Divine retribution awaiting builders of the house and guards of the city who are not worthy of Divine partnership in their actions, and who will therefore see no success in their endeavors.



This note of rebuke becomes more tangible when the psalmist addresses people directly. The actions of these people, toiling endlessly to obtain sustenance, will not achieve anything if they are not blessed by God.



Thus, despite the differences between the third stanza and the two preceding ones – and by means of those differences – the third stanza turns out to represent a continuation and development of the same idea that they introduced.



(to be continued)



Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] The reason for its absence would seem to arise from the first difference that we noted above between the third stanza and the first two: previously, the purpose of the human activity – the building of the house or the guarding of the city – was noted in the conditional clause. However, since no conditional clause exists in the third stanza, there is no mention of the purpose of the activity that is carried out “in vain”, and we must conclude this from the nature of the activity that is described. Had some conditional clause existed here, the verse would read, “If God does not provide food”, or the suchlike.

[2] The parallel here is synonymous, direct, and incomplete (see the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms), as follows:

“It is vain for you to rise up early

to settle late

to eat the bread of toil.”

While the third stanza is not a complete parallel with the previous ones, it nevertheless expresses the same idea and with a similar word order.

[3] See the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms.

[4] As discussed at length and in detail by A. Mirsky z”l in his work, “Ha-Pissuk shel ha-Signon ha-Ivri” (First Edition, Mossad ha-Rav Kook, Jerusalem 5738; Second Edition published as “Signon Ivri,” Jerusalem 5759). Just two of the many examples that he cites are Tehillim 115:5-7 and 22:24.

[5] The first three stanzas, comprising the first part of the psalm, are all of about the same length – 8-9 words. The length of the four stanzas comprising the second part are likewise of similar length – 6-7 words. To illustrate the literary reason for the difference in the parallel that appears in the third stanza, let us imagine how the text would read had the direct and complete parallel continued into this stanza:

“Unless God builds a house its builders toil in vain.

Unless God guards a city the guard watches in vain.

Unless God grows bread those who awaken early and settle late do so in vain; those who work the ground eat the bread of toil.”

While the idea is expressed here more clearly than it is in the psalm as we have it, there can be no question that the literary and musical appeal is gone, and thus the whole moral and thematic power is lost

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petras wrote: 23-11-2011, 07:54 PM

The World from Berlin

Berlin's Reaction to Neo-Nazi Terror 'Is Too Late'

German papers were filled Wednesday with images of Chancellor Angela
Merkel and members of her cabinet standing with their heads bowed on the
floor of the Bundestag. Their statement said: "We are deeply ashamed."

The current interior minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, reportedly is
looking for a way to ban the NPD without stopping the use of informants,
which would mean that the authorities would lose a valuable source of
information about the party. The departing Israeli ambassador to Berlin,
Yoram Ben-Zeev, has also called for a ban of the party. He told
the mass circulation daily Bild: "Democracies must fight against such
things. I don't want to draw comparisons, but the Nazis were also a
legitimate party. They came to power in a legitimate way."

'I thank President (Christian) Wulff that he will be meeting today with
the relatives, and offering a sign of solidarity and sympathy from the
entire German people,' said Merkel.

'These attacks were no more and no less than an attack on our democratic system,' she said.

Responding to opposition allegations that domestic intelligence agencies
had paid less attention to rightists than to leftists, she said, 'We
can do without that ... It drives a wedge into the unity among democrats.'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...799500,00.html
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...cy-says-Merkel





First picture of "wedge" on google: RED SHOES, peep-toes, TOMS
(note the colours of the label)

Zeev

Zeh = toe in German



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Intelligent design



see: Watchmaker analogy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Quote:Originally Posted by petras

The "NSU - Döner-Kebab-Bosphorus serial murders"
entangled in a web of various secret services' interests
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