BEAUTIFUL...

In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

INITIAL OFFER

Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.........................

In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting...................

true lilly wrote:Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake.

delinquentgrrl wrote:
29-10-2009, 02:15 AM #452

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa There seems to be a strong tie between quite a few Chinese characters and the Bible teaching, without which it's simply difficult to explain the component parts that make up the characters. Some of these words are listed in the following together with illustration of their ties with the Bible. Creation is comprised of the following components dust (breath of) life (from God's) mouth motion = Creation Without reading the verse from Genesis 2:7, it's difficult to understand how Can Ji could come up with this character. Genesis 2:7 - The Lord formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living being. Forbidden is comprised of the following components tree (of knowledge) tree (of life) command (from God) = Forbidden Again, the components of the word become meaningful after reading the following verses. Genesis 2:16,17 - And the Lord commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will certainly die". Genesis 3:24- After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden Cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. And indeed, through the sins of one man (Adam) we are separated from God; and only by accepting Jesus (flaming sword), can we return to him. Ship is comprised of the following components boat eight mouth (family member) = Ship The origin of this word becomes more meaningful after reading the following verse. Genesis 7:7 - And Noah and his sons [Ham, Shem, and Japheth] and his wife and his sons' wives with him, went into the ark, to escape the waters of the flood. The word 'mouth' is often used to describe number of family members. For example, the phrase 'One family of four mouths' means a family with four members. Four couples in Noah's family have a total of eight members. Righteousness is to raise a lamb above us Lamb (above) me = Righteousness In the Old Testament people sacrifice lambs for their sins. In the New Testament, Jesus died for our sins on the STAKE to give us salvation, for God is just and loving. The only way to salvation is to accept Jesus who paid for our sins. LOTS MORE examples in the following links, but AGAIN, this INSANE TIE to a SHORT, Earth History Time Line, BECAUSE, "They" are working The DECEPTION to INSTALL "Their" FALSE 'saviour': http://www.cogwriter.com/news/old-te...early-genesis/ Sorry, seems "David Icke" does NOT WANT this read, so best just copy the address into the address bar. >http://www.wbschool.org/Chinese.swf< Whereas this is still the ONLY PLACE that "corrects" those "Falling away, Back to Beggarly Ways" and looks at what HAS DECEIVED ALL BUT THE VERY ELECT.

Classic
example of cultural assimilation, it doesn't exactly prove that the Old
testament or God's word is any more "real". It's not entirely
farfetched because "Jews
and Judaism in China have had a long history. Jewish settlers are
documented in China as early as the 7th or 8th century CE, but may have
arrived during the mid Han Dynasty, or even as early as 231 BCE[1].
Relatively isolated communities developed through the Tang and Song
Dynasties (7-12th cent. CE) all the way through the Qing Dynasty (19th
cent.), most notably in the Kaifeng Jews (the term "Chinese Jews" is
often used in a restricted sense to refer to these communities). "

"It has been asserted by some that the Jews who have historically
resided in various places in China originated with the Lost Ten Tribes
of the exiled ancient Kingdom of Israel who relocated to the areas of
present-day China. Traces of some ancient Jewish rituals have been observed in some places.

One well-known group was the Kaifeng Jews, who are purported to have
traveled from Persia to India during the mid-Han Dynasty and later
migrated from the Muslim-inhabited regions of northwestern China (modern
day Gansu province) to Henan province during the early Northern Song
Dynasty (960-1127).[8]"


"In The Kaifeng Stone Inscriptions: The Legacy of the Jewish Community
in Ancient China, Tiberiu Weisz, a teacher of Hebrew history and Chinese
religion, presents his own translations of the 1489, 1512, and 1663
stone stelae left by the descendants of the Kaifeng Jews. Based on the
new info gleamed from this translation, Weisz theorizes after the
Babylonian exile of the sixth century BCE, disenchanted Levites and
Kohanim parted with the Prophet Ezra and settled in Northwestern India.
Sometime prior to 108 BCE, these Jews had migrated to Gansu province,
China and were spotted by the Chinese general Li Guang, who was sent to
expand the borders of Han Dynasty China. Centuries later, the Jews were expelled from China proper during the Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution (845-46), where they lived in the region of Ningxia. Weisz believes they
later returned to China during the Song Dynasty when its second
emperor, Song Taizong, sent out a decree seeking the wisdom of foreign
scholars.[7] "
"The inscription states that the Jews came to China from India during
the Han Dynasty period (2nd century BCE-2nd century CE). It cites the
names of 70 Jews with Chinese surnames, describes their audience with an
unnamed Song Dynasty emperor, and lists the transmission of their
religion from Abraham down to the prophet Ezra. The second tablet,
dating from 1512 (found in the synagogue Xuanzhang Daojing Si) details
their Jewish religious practices. The third, dated 1663, commemorates
the rebuilding of the Qingzhen si synagogue and repeats information that
appears in the other two steles.[7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._Jews_in_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews

Just a thought.

...oh, and the NEXT PAGE :

Devil	= Secret	Person	Garden

Desire, Greed	= Woman	Trees

Naked	= Clothing	Tree	Garden

Righteous(ness)	= Sheep	Hand	Lance

Righteous(ness)	= Sheep	I, Us

Boat	= 8	Mouth	Little Boat, Vessel

Tower	= Grass	Clay	Mankind	1	Mouth

The tower of Babel was built with bricks
(grass and clay) and humans originally had one language (or mouth). It
is possible that this symbol is showing that the ancient Chinese
recognized a connection to the biblical tower of Babel.

The Bible shows that after God confused the languages in Babel that He scattered humans all over:

So the LORD scattered them abroad from
there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the LORD confused the
language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them
abroad over the face of all the earth (Genesis 11:8-9).

The Bible also mentions:

To Eber were born two sons: the name of
one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s
name was Joktan (Genesis 10:25).

Now whether it was just
the scattering of humans that occurred in Peleg’s time, or that the
earth had continental divisions at that time is not completely clear.
What is clear, however, is that humans did separate essentially by
language and ethnicity thousands of years ago.

Chinese characters apparently predate Moses:

…the ancient Chinese people were quite familiar with the
same record which the Hebrew Moses is popularly given credit for
writing some 700 to 1,000 years later. Imagine this information
being stored in special characters that were in use hundreds of years
before the first page of the Bible was written! (Kang C.H.,
Nelson E.R. The Discovery of Genesis: How the Truths of Genesis Were
Found Hidden in the Chinese Language. Concordia Publishing House, St.
Louis, 1979, p. 5)

Notice that the development of Chinese
characters predates the writing of the Book of Genesis. Thus, the
Chinese characters seem to provide an ‘independent’ account that
verifies portions of the accounts in Genesis.

Continuing, the authors of the previous citation go so far as to state:

Moreover we believe that the Chinese actually employed
this historical knowledge as one small facet in the process of building
their written language. The significance of this claim is broad. But
most important, it appears to us to give support and added acceptance of
the much slandered account of Biblical Genesis (Ibid).

Thus, the existence of these Chinese
characters should be a comfort to the Chinese that their ancestors did
have some type of biblical witness. These characters should also help
modern believers understand that even in a land as removed as it is from
the Middle East, the Chinese did know about various portions of the
Genesis account. And since their characters were developed prior to
Moses writing Genesis, their very existence provides additional
verification that the events were known for many thousands of years.

The above information and more is included in the article China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 1: Genesis and Chinese Characters .

Other articles of possibly related interest may include:

China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 2: The Sabbath and Some of God’s Witness in China When did Christianity first come to China? And is there early evidence that they observed the seventh day sabbath?
China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 3: China in Prophecy What is Ahead for China? What will happen to nearly all the Chinese?

Originally Posted by delinquentgrrl

Sculpture commemorating
the moment when
Aztecs found the sign
from the god Huitzilopochtli.

...and funny, but Today's
LEAD IMAGE from MURDOCH'S NEWS...

(as so many, GONE")

SEE, "THEY" have ALWAYS KNOWN and have
CONSPIRED and COLLUDED to KEEP IT SECRET
and so LEAD US TO ACCEPT The BEAST as 'god',
BASED on the RECENT, LYING 'history' of FAKE
'time-lines' LITERALLY CONSTRUCTED to 'support'
MODERN North African Egypt as being the ANCIENT
MITSRAYIM of GOD'S LIVING, TRUE WORD.

Originally Posted by leviathanstaar Vera I hope you did not regard my last post as anything negative toward you (or faraday for that matter) It was actually to point out something about warnings of 'being led astray' that many often like to warn about. A declaration of my spiritual independence if you will.

QUESTIONS NEVER BOTHER ME!

QUESTIONS ARE GOOD!

QUESTIONS ARE WHAT PREVENTED ME
FROM BUYING INTO THE UNIVERSAL (Catholic)
CHURCH I WAS RAISED IN.

QUESTIONS had me GET MY PRIEST TO ACCEPT
that I WOULD NOT MARRY, PROMISING MY CHILDREN
TO "The CATHOLIC CHURCH" but PROMISE to TEACH
THEM to KEEP THE FIRST COMMANDMENT, FIRST,
and ALWAYS SEEK GOD'S TRUTH and WILL ABOVE MAN'S.

I only get angry when UNKNOWN "names" LIE
that I'm lying and have a "Secret Agenda", when
"They" KNOW THE OPPOSITE to be TRUE.

And I Only Wish, more readers would
QUESTION my OPPONENTS
as DEEPLY as I'm always questioned,
so I could get on with REVEALING MORE
of what HAS been HIDDEN and LIED about.

And while TALKING WITH YOU let me also explain,
that I will take all names as real, independent people,
and treat them as such unless and until I KNOW otherwise.

Which also means that though I OFTEN SUSPECT a 'name'
of pretending to be friendly, "I" can't publicly "Out" 'them'
if I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW, but will TEST 'them' by posting
on a TACTIC 'they' are using and let 'them' OUT THEMSELVES
in 'their' VIOLENT, OVER REACTIONS to a GENERAL topic
'they' DO RECOGNIZE as PERSONALLY DESCRIPTIVE.

Which brings me to a KEY REQUEST I make of ALL:

IF THE JACK BOOT FITS,
EVEN IF IT'S YOURS,
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR IT!

YOU CAN CHOOSE to THROW IT OUT
RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO
KICK THE HEADS OF THE INNOCENT,
WEAK, ALONE and POWERLESS.

(nice of Google to give me this image
FOR; "location location location" )

el kabong wrote:

true lilly wrote:Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit.


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure.

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake.


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?
..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it.




Bullshit can't handle pressure.it is like a bluff in a Poker Game............if I am holding an excellent hand I'll see all your bets/raises and then 'call you'.

When you produce your shit hand and I lay down my Royal Flush I'll collect the Ducats. nuthin' personal.

There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







Cheers Matey.



http://www.scottberkun.com/essays/53-how-to-detect-bullshit/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

INITIAL OFFER

Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.........................

In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting...................

HACK AWAY...
I'll see your spam, and raise it, with Good Food...

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:Hey True Lilly,
you
should,without spam,write up the definitive account,of what happened,in
your words,as you and Tintin,became friends,then had a fall-out
and
now,you've learnt of Tintins' international power and intrigue...all in
one story,that can be broken down into parts.Not all at once.
Yeah,just a thought....

What makes 'you' think 'you' 'should' 'tell' me, what I 'should' do?

"Bullshit, any Bullshit can't take pressure. "

...which is why the bullshitters keep snipping, threatening, attacking,
then running away and hiding, from one little woman who honestly lives
in faith of the faithfulness of The Creator of Life.

Bullshitters like you, too gutless to personally quiz me,
(a person you know to be real, and really who I've shown
myself to be), as the person you are, in this real world,
or even as a fake person over another's phone.

And the real you, does know full well, just how much pressure,
I continue to live under, while maintaining the strength to take joy
in 'the little things', of True Value.

But here's something good that came of 'tintin's' betrayal of my hospitality
and offer of friendship; he showed the world that those who aim to betray
one who offers faithful friendship, only end up betraying themselves, and
some may choose to learn from that and repent of the evils they plot, before,
it's too late.

PROVERBS 6: 1 to 5
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=6&v=1&t=KJV#top

As I've explained, I offered 'tintin' a life line
with which to pull himself from the demons that
torment him in this life, and a fate worse than,
the first 'death' (into 'the big sleep'), by showing him
the real blessings (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
of those who don't deny, The Holy Spirit of Truth,
but he is still, choosing to turn it into his own noose.

As are all who still knowingly, willingly, choose to fight God.

PSALMS 78
1 Do give ear, O my people, to my law;
Incline YOUR ear to the sayings of my mouth.

2 In a proverbial saying I will open my mouth;
I will cause riddles of long ago to bubble forth,

3 Which we have heard and know,
And which our own fathers have related to us;

4 Which we do not hide from their sons,
Relating [them] even to the generation to come,
The praises of Jehovah and his strength
And his wonderful things that he has done.

5 And he proceeded to raise up a reminder in Jacob,
And a law he set in Israel,
Things that he commanded our forefathers,
To make them known to their sons;

6 In order that the generation to come,
the sons that were to be born, might know [them],
That they might rise up and relate [them] to their sons,

7 And that they might set their confidence in God himself
And not forget the practices of God but observe his own commandments.

8 And they should not become like their forefathers,
A generation stubborn and rebellious,
A generation who had not prepared their heart
And whose spirit was not trustworthy with God.

...oh DO, read on; contemplate the full meanings
of each blessing word, and take it to heart:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=78&v=1&t=KJV#top

Bless God. Bless The King. Bless all seeking to be faithful,
with The Holy Spirit's power to do so.

Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Israel Was Mentioned In The Book Of Genesis....

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” Genesis 32

Genesis 32
Jacob Prepares to Meet Esau
1 [a]Jacob also went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
2 When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is the camp of God!” So he named that place Mahanaim.[b]

3 Jacob sent messengers ahead of him to his brother Esau in the land of Seir, the country of Edom.
4 He instructed them: “This is what you are to say to my lord Esau:
‘Your servant Jacob says, I have been staying with Laban and have
remained there till now.
5 I have cattle and donkeys, sheep and goats, male and female servants.
Now I am sending this message to my lord, that I may find favor in your eyes.’”

6 When the messengers returned to Jacob, they said, “We went to your
brother Esau, and now he is coming to meet you, and four hundred men are
with him.”

7 In great fear and distress Jacob divided the
people who were with him into two groups, and the flocks and herds and
camels as well.
8 He thought, “If Esau comes and attacks one group, the group that is left may escape.”

9 Then Jacob prayed, “O God of my father Abraham, God of my father
Isaac, LORD, you who said to me, ‘Go back to your country and your
relatives, and I will make you prosper,’
10 I am unworthy of all the kindness and faithfulness you have shown your servant.
I had only my staff when I crossed this Jordan, but now I have become two camps.
11
Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau, for I am afraid he
will come and attack me, and also the mothers with their children.
12
But you have said, ‘I will surely make you prosper and will make your
descendants like the sand of the sea, which cannot be counted.’”

13 He spent the night there, and from what he had with him he selected a gift for his brother Esau:
14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams,
15 thirty female camels with their young, forty cows and ten bulls, and twenty female donkeys and ten male donkeys.
16 He put them in the care of his servants, each herd by itself, and
said to his servants, “Go ahead of me, and keep some space between the
herds.”

17 He instructed the one in the lead: “When my brother
Esau meets you and asks, ‘Who do you belong to, and where are you going,
and who owns all these animals in front of you?’
18 then you are to say, ‘They belong to your servant Jacob.
They are a gift sent to my lord Esau, and he is coming behind us.’”

19 He also instructed the second, the third and all the others who
followed the herds: “You are to say the same thing to Esau when you meet
him.
20 And be sure to say, ‘Your servant Jacob is coming behind
us.’” For he thought, “I will pacify him with these gifts I am sending
on ahead; later, when I see him, perhaps he will receive me.”
21 So Jacob’s gifts went on ahead of him, but he himself spent the night in the camp.
Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female
servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.
23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions.
24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
25
When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket
of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the
man.
26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip.
32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached
to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched
near the tendon.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 32&version=NIV

What Is Interesting In This,

Is That Jacob Became Lamed...

The Conquest of Jerusalem [1 Chron 11:4-9]

6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem against the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land, who
spoke to David, saying, "You shall not come in here; but the blind and the lame will repel you,"
thinking, "David cannot come in here."
7 Nevertheless David took the stronghold of Zion (that is,
the City of David).
8 Now David said on that day, "Whoever climbs up by way of the water shaft and defeats the
Jebusites (the lame and the blind, who are hated by David's soul), he shall be chief and captain."
Therefore they say, "The blind and the lame shall not come into the house."

To Be Damadged In The Hip Was A Sign Of Messiahship...!!!

el kabong wrote:Be that as it may, the fact remains that lillys head is permanantly embedded so far up her own ass that she sees nothing but poo.

...removed:
wads of un-sourced, cut&paste, angry religious propaganda;
the 'quality', and 'credibility' of which,
is reflected in the quoted version of,
"The vitriolic, childish, foot stomp and dummy spit",
and that of it's/the quoted poster...

...replaced: Something of Value, to EDIFY,
A Beautiful View of;
The Real World, Today, Tomorrow,
and,
In The Most Ancient Past...

true lilly wrote:Altan Urag - Davalgaa ijii Mongol

Play video Mongolian Folk Rock Group 00:04:44 Added on 21/11/2006 349,949 views

LISTEN, it starts 'Irish'...ON A,
??WOODEN CHINESE ANCIENT KEYBOARD??, THE
MONGOLIAN HORSE HEAD FIDDLE...
through EVERY KEY PEOPLES MUSIC,
ENDS with a boxless, flat hand struck 'piano', modern drum kit,
'Scottish' 'BAG-'trumpet'.!!! ...AND... it's BEAUTIFUL and
IT'S AUTHENTIC ANCIENT/MODERN/FOLK/ROCK MONGOL!!!!...
YEAY!... LISTEN, WATCH, all of
them, I can't.... Tim broke my sound...ggrrrr...
but this, is "MY" Music ,
all the best of all my favourite, together again ,
with the original source, of all the best musicians!!!
...oh, and a really cool clip
...and, you just have to dance!!! ...

...amazing what you find ...

within some links ...
I'm :Dly grateful....
https://youtu.be/0SQ9bp09s_w

el kabong wrote:Be
that as it may, the fact remains that lillys head is permanantly
embedded so far up her own ass that she sees nothing but poo.

...removed:
wads of un-sourced, cut&paste, angry religious propaganda;
the 'quality', and 'credibility' of which,
is reflected in the quoted version of,
"The vitriolic, childish, foot stomp and dummy spit",
and that of it's/the quoted poster...

...replaced: Something of Value, to EDIFY,
A Beautiful View of;
The Real World, Today, Tomorrow,
and,
In The Most Ancient Past...

true lilly wrote:Altan Urag - Davalgaa ijii Mongol

Play video Mongolian Folk Rock Group 00:04:44 Added on 21/11/2006 349,949 views

LISTEN, it starts 'Irish'...ON A,
??WOODEN CHINESE ANCIENT KEYBOARD??, THE
MONGOLIAN HORSE HEAD FIDDLE...
through EVERY KEY PEOPLES MUSIC,
ENDS with a boxless, flat hand struck 'piano', modern drum kit,
'Scottish' 'BAG-'trumpet'.!!! ...AND... it's BEAUTIFUL and
IT'S AUTHENTIC ANCIENT/MODERN/FOLK/ROCK MONGOL!!!!...
YEAY!... LISTEN, WATCH, all of
them, I can't.... Tim broke my sound...ggrrrr...
but this, is "MY" Music ,
all the best of all my favourite, together again ,
with the original source, of all the best musicians!!!
...oh, and a really cool clip
...and, you just have to dance!!! ...

...amazing what you find ...

within some links ...
I'm :Dly grateful....
https://youtu.be/0SQ9bp09s_w

true lilly wrote:So much insanity at DIF now, I don't which to pick.

But I did notice something VERY TELLING...

delinquentgrrl wrote:
29-10-2009, 02:15 AM #452

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa There seems to be a strong tie between quite a few Chinese characters and the Bible teaching, without which it's simply difficult to explain the component parts that make up the characters. Some of these words are listed in the following together with illustration of their ties with the Bible. Creation is comprised of the following components dust (breath of) life (from God's) mouth motion = Creation Without reading the verse from Genesis 2:7, it's difficult to understand how Can Ji could come up with this character. Genesis 2:7 - The Lord formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living being. Forbidden is comprised of the following components tree (of knowledge) tree (of life) command (from God) = Forbidden Again, the components of the word become meaningful after reading the following verses. Genesis 2:16,17 - And the Lord commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will certainly die". Genesis 3:24- After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden Cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. And indeed, through the sins of one man (Adam) we are separated from God; and only by accepting Jesus (flaming sword), can we return to him. Ship is comprised of the following components boat eight mouth (family member) = Ship The origin of this word becomes more meaningful after reading the following verse. Genesis 7:7 - And Noah and his sons [Ham, Shem, and Japheth] and his wife and his sons' wives with him, went into the ark, to escape the waters of the flood. The word 'mouth' is often used to describe number of family members. For example, the phrase 'One family of four mouths' means a family with four members. Four couples in Noah's family have a total of eight members. Righteousness is to raise a lamb above us Lamb (above) me = Righteousness In the Old Testament people sacrifice lambs for their sins. In the New Testament, Jesus died for our sins on the STAKE to give us salvation, for God is just and loving. The only way to salvation is to accept Jesus who paid for our sins. LOTS MORE examples in the following links, but AGAIN, this INSANE TIE to a SHORT, Earth History Time Line, BECAUSE, "They" are working The DECEPTION to INSTALL "Their" FALSE 'saviour': http://www.cogwriter.com/news/old-te...early-genesis/ Sorry, seems "David Icke" does NOT WANT this read, so best just copy the address into the address bar. >http://www.wbschool.org/Chinese.swf< Whereas this is still the ONLY PLACE that "corrects" those "Falling away, Back to Beggarly Ways" and looks at what HAS DECEIVED ALL BUT THE VERY ELECT.

Classic
example of cultural assimilation, it doesn't exactly prove that the Old
testament or God's word is any more "real". It's not entirely
farfetched because "Jews
and Judaism in China have had a long history. Jewish settlers are
documented in China as early as the 7th or 8th century CE, but may have
arrived during the mid Han Dynasty, or even as early as 231 BCE[1].
Relatively isolated communities developed through the Tang and Song
Dynasties (7-12th cent. CE) all the way through the Qing Dynasty (19th
cent.), most notably in the Kaifeng Jews (the term "Chinese Jews" is
often used in a restricted sense to refer to these communities). "

"It has been asserted by some that the Jews who have historically
resided in various places in China originated with the Lost Ten Tribes
of the exiled ancient Kingdom of Israel who relocated to the areas of
present-day China. Traces of some ancient Jewish rituals have been observed in some places.

One well-known group was the Kaifeng Jews, who are purported to have
traveled from Persia to India during the mid-Han Dynasty and later
migrated from the Muslim-inhabited regions of northwestern China (modern
day Gansu province) to Henan province during the early Northern Song
Dynasty (960-1127).[8]"


"In The Kaifeng Stone Inscriptions: The Legacy of the Jewish Community
in Ancient China, Tiberiu Weisz, a teacher of Hebrew history and Chinese
religion, presents his own translations of the 1489, 1512, and 1663
stone stelae left by the descendants of the Kaifeng Jews. Based on the
new info gleamed from this translation, Weisz theorizes after the
Babylonian exile of the sixth century BCE, disenchanted Levites and
Kohanim parted with the Prophet Ezra and settled in Northwestern India.
Sometime prior to 108 BCE, these Jews had migrated to Gansu province,
China and were spotted by the Chinese general Li Guang, who was sent to
expand the borders of Han Dynasty China. Centuries later, the Jews were expelled from China proper during the Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution (845-46), where they lived in the region of Ningxia. Weisz believes they
later returned to China during the Song Dynasty when its second
emperor, Song Taizong, sent out a decree seeking the wisdom of foreign
scholars.[7] "
"The inscription states that the Jews came to China from India during
the Han Dynasty period (2nd century BCE-2nd century CE). It cites the
names of 70 Jews with Chinese surnames, describes their audience with an
unnamed Song Dynasty emperor, and lists the transmission of their
religion from Abraham down to the prophet Ezra. The second tablet,
dating from 1512 (found in the synagogue Xuanzhang Daojing Si) details
their Jewish religious practices. The third, dated 1663, commemorates
the rebuilding of the Qingzhen si synagogue and repeats information that
appears in the other two steles.[7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._Jews_in_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews

Just a thought.

NO, a red herring, INTENDED to discourage readers
going to the link that DIF would NOT ALLOW me
to post THE CONTENT OF, such as THIS KEY POINT:

Chinese characters apparently predate Moses:

…the ancient Chinese people were quite familiar with the
same record which the Hebrew Moses is popularly given credit for
writing some 700 to 1,000 years later. Imagine this information
being stored in special characters that were in use hundreds of years
before the first page of the Bible was written! (Kang C.H.,
Nelson E.R. The Discovery of Genesis: How the Truths of Genesis Were
Found Hidden in the Chinese Language. Concordia Publishing House, St.
Louis, 1979, p. 5)

Notice that
the development of Chinese characters
predates the writing of the Book of Genesis.

Thus, the Chinese characters seem to provide
an ‘independent’ account that verifies
portions of the accounts in Genesis.

http://www.cogwriter.com/news/old-te...early-genesis/

http://www.wbschool.org/Chinese.swf

Then, 12 hours later...

David Icke's Official Forums
Most users ever online was 8,820,
29-09-2010 at 02:08 PM.

...oh, and the NEXT PAGE :

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=86338&page=47

is pretty well where
regular, INDEPENDENT readers
found what they needed to
GET and WARN OTHERS OFF,
trusting any BLOODY Thing that
DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUMS PEDDLE.

Chinese Characters and Early Genesis

COGwriter

Is there any evidence that Chinese people ever knew about the early
accounts in the Book of Genesis, such as a devil in the Garden of Eden,
the great flood, or the Tower of Babel?

Yes, as some evidence seems to exist in early Chinese writings.

Notice for example that an ancient Chinese character for Devil indicates a knowledge of the account in Genesis:

Devil	= Secret	Person	Garden

Sadly, Eve seemed to believe the devil as she desired to benefit from the fruit of the tree that was prohibited:

So when the woman saw that
the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree
desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate (Genesis
3:6).

God decided
later to prohibit the second tree lest Eve and others desired it so much
that they would go for it as well (see Genesis 3:22-24).

Notice the symbol for the Chinese word lán for desire or greed is a combination of the symbols for woman and two trees:

Desire, Greed	= Woman	Trees

After succumbing to temptation, humans noticed that they were naked:

Then
the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were
naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
(Genesis 3:7).

Notice that the Chinese symbol for being
naked has to do with clothing, one tree (the one that Adam and Eve were
originally told not to eat from perhaps), and a garden with four
irrigation canals:

Naked	= Clothing	Tree	Garden

After Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden they had children. On of their sons was Abel, who raised and sacrificed sheep:

Now Abel was a
keeper of sheep…Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of
their fat. And the LORD respected Abel and his offering (Genesis 4:2,4).

Notice what a Chinese character meaning righteous is made of:

Righteous(ness)	= Sheep	Hand	Lance

Interestingly, the New Testament account of Abel refers to:

…the blood of righteous Abel (Matthew 23:35).

Notice how the Chinese symbol agrees with the New
Testament account that essentially the sacrifice of sheep (by Abel, for
example) was righteous.

Since Christ was our Passover lamb sacrificed us, and
that through Him we attain righteousness at least one has speculated
that perhaps that is why the following symbol for righteousness was
somehow chosen (since the combination of the symbol for hand and lance can mean us):

Righteous(ness)	= Sheep	I, Us

And while it is NOT likely
that this was determined by the Chinese after Jesus’ crucifixion, it is
a fact that Abel and Noah, who the Bible calls righteous, sacrificed
clean animals such as sheep.

Many know that Chinese
history contains an account of some type of worldwide flood. And there
may be a couple of aspects of it preserved in its characters.

Notice a couple of statements in the Bible concerning the flood:

Then the LORD said to Noah,
“Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that
you are righteous before Me in this generation. (Genesis 7:1).

…in the days of Noah, while
the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were
saved through water (1 Peter 3:20).

A Chinese word chuán for a type of boat is:

Boat	= 8	Mouth	Little Boat, Vessel

It may be of interest to note that one of the Chinese symbols for flood (chong)
is a combination of an inverted symbol meaning “first Earthly branch”
and eight (the term for eight may instead mean “person remaining”"–that
of itself is interesting as that the symbol for eight and “person
remaining” look about the same–recall that on the ark there were only
eight persons remaining alive).

After the flood, humans stayed together and built a tower:

Now the whole earth had one language and
one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that
they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. Then
they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them
thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar.
And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose
top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be
scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.” (Genesis 11:1-4).

But God did not care for this:

But the LORD came down to see the city
and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the LORD said,
“Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is
what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be
withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their
language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” (Genesis
11:5-7).

It is highly likely that when people saw
others speaking foreign languages, that they thought that somehow
something at this tower affected their mouths. Notice the following
Chinese symbol of a tower.

Tower	= Grass	Clay	Mankind	1	Mouth

The tower of Babel was built with bricks
(grass and clay) and humans originally had one language (or mouth). It
is possible that this symbol is showing that the ancient Chinese
recognized a connection to the biblical tower of Babel.

The Bible shows that after God confused the languages in Babel that He scattered humans all over:

So the LORD scattered them abroad from
there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the LORD confused the
language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them
abroad over the face of all the earth (Genesis 11:8-9).

The Bible also mentions:

To Eber were born two sons: the name of
one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s
name was Joktan (Genesis 10:25).

Now whether it was just
the scattering of humans that occurred in Peleg’s time, or that the
earth had continental divisions at that time is not completely clear.
What is clear, however, is that humans did separate essentially by
language and ethnicity thousands of years ago.

Chinese characters apparently predate Moses:

…the ancient Chinese people were quite familiar with the
same record which the Hebrew Moses is popularly given credit for
writing some 700 to 1,000 years later. Imagine this information
being stored in special characters that were in use hundreds of years
before the first page of the Bible was written! (Kang C.H.,
Nelson E.R. The Discovery of Genesis: How the Truths of Genesis Were
Found Hidden in the Chinese Language. Concordia Publishing House, St.
Louis, 1979, p. 5)

Notice that the development of Chinese
characters predates the writing of the Book of Genesis. Thus, the
Chinese characters seem to provide an ‘independent’ account that
verifies portions of the accounts in Genesis.

Continuing, the authors of the previous citation go so far as to state:

Moreover we believe that the Chinese actually employed
this historical knowledge as one small facet in the process of building
their written language. The significance of this claim is broad. But
most important, it appears to us to give support and added acceptance of
the much slandered account of Biblical Genesis (Ibid).

Thus, the existence of these Chinese
characters should be a comfort to the Chinese that their ancestors did
have some type of biblical witness. These characters should also help
modern believers understand that even in a land as removed as it is from
the Middle East, the Chinese did know about various portions of the
Genesis account. And since their characters were developed prior to
Moses writing Genesis, their very existence provides additional
verification that the events were known for many thousands of years.

The above information and more is included in the article China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 1: Genesis and Chinese Characters .

Other articles of possibly related interest may include:

China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 2: The Sabbath and Some of God’s Witness in China When did Christianity first come to China? And is there early evidence that they observed the seventh day sabbath?
China, Its Biblical Past and Future, Part 3: China in Prophecy What is Ahead for China? What will happen to nearly all the Chinese?

Originally Posted by delinquentgrrl

How is 'Moses leading Israel out of
Egypt' a lie? The Talmud, which includes the Tanakh (and the Torah)
states "According to the Talmud,[2] much of the contents of the Tanakh
were compiled by the "Men of the Great Assembly" by 450 BCE, and have since remained unchanged.

As you know the Tanakh includes the Torah (the 5 books commonly referred to as 'The five books of Moses' = The Old testament.

In the Old Testament it is written that Moses led them from Egypt,
so how is this a lie if you claim the Old testament is God's word? And
for what purpose? If the Jews were led of out of America what
signifigance does this hold? What truth is being hidden? What does it
all mean? And does the use of a lunar calendar change the nature of the
events?

Just curious. Thanks!

No, Moses led Israel out of MITSRAYIM.
Every time you read Egypt, it IS MITSRAYIM.
'They' decided to CHANGE MITSRAYIM to EGYPT.

Like they CHANGED PERATH to Euphrates.

Now PERATH was ONE of the FOUR Rivers
of THE SUPER-CONTINENT, EDEN AGE.

So, it can NOT be that piddling little Euphrates.

Likewise, every time you read NILE it is RIVER,
Nile CANALS is RIVER CANALS, and THE AMAZON
HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREATER IN LENGTH and VOLUME
than the Nile, curiously a FACT 'they' only recently
ADMITTED, DESPITE LONG HAVING KNOWN.

GOD'S LIVING WORD IS DESCRIPTIVE and DESCRIBES
THE BEGINNING AS IT WAS and SCIENCE AGREES.

To DENY GOD'S WORD is to ALSO DENY what SCIENCE
has finally discovered, and to admit to what science found,
BUT STICK to the LYING TIME-LINE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED
AROUND EGYPT and it's DEATH WORSHIPING RELIGION,
BASED ON, "THE JEWS WHO ARE NOT JEWS, BUT DO LIE,
BUT ARE OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN",
MAKES A "KNOW NOTHING FOOL" OUT OF GOD.

ALSO, 450 BCE, WAS RECENT GLOBAL HISTORY, WELL PAST
THE AGES OF ANCIENT KINDS OF ANIMALS, i.e. 'dinosaurs',
DURING NOAH'S AND JOB'S TIME. NOAH at least living DURING
the AGE of The SUPER-CONTINENT.

God told us to STUDY WHAT IS in the WHOLE WORLD
and let SCRIPTURE INTERPRET SCRIPTURE, NOT MAN,
in order to SEE that HE DID TELL US EVERYTHING FROM
THE BEGINNING.

450 BC is ALREADY AFTER things like CHINA'S GREAT WALL
being constructed to CUT PEOPLE OFF FROM THEIR COMMON
HISTORY and so SEE The TRUTH of GOD'S WORD, and AFTER
the the Middle eastern King called Darius in IMITATION of
THE DARIUS of the DIVIDED IN TWO LAND of
The BIRD of PREY, ANCIENT PERSIA, being The AMERICAS.

The FIRST MODERN image from Wiki's page on
The AZTECS:


Sculpture commemorating
the moment when
Aztecs found the sign
from the god Huitzilopochtli.

...and funny, but Today's
LEAD IMAGE from MURDOCH'S NEWS...

(as so many, GONE")

SEE, "THEY" have ALWAYS KNOWN and have
CONSPIRED and COLLUDED to KEEP IT SECRET
and so LEAD US TO ACCEPT The BEAST as 'god',
BASED on the RECENT, LYING 'history' of FAKE
'time-lines' LITERALLY CONSTRUCTED to 'support'
MODERN North African Egypt as being the ANCIENT
MITSRAYIM of GOD'S LIVING, TRUE WORD.

Last edited by vera susa; 30-10-2009 at 01:19 AM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leviathanstaar Vera I hope you did not regard my last post as anything negative toward you (or faraday for that matter) It was actually to point out something about warnings of 'being led astray' that many often like to warn about. A declaration of my spiritual independence if you will.

QUESTIONS NEVER BOTHER ME!

QUESTIONS ARE GOOD!

QUESTIONS ARE WHAT PREVENTED ME
FROM BUYING INTO THE UNIVERSAL (Catholic)
CHURCH I WAS RAISED IN.

QUESTIONS had me GET MY PRIEST TO ACCEPT
that I WOULD NOT MARRY, PROMISING MY CHILDREN
TO "The CATHOLIC CHURCH" but PROMISE to TEACH
THEM to KEEP THE FIRST COMMANDMENT, FIRST,
and ALWAYS SEEK GOD'S TRUTH and WILL ABOVE MAN'S.

I only get angry when UNKNOWN "names" LIE
that I'm lying and have a "Secret Agenda", when
"They" KNOW THE OPPOSITE to be TRUE.

And I Only Wish, more readers would
QUESTION my OPPONENTS
as DEEPLY as I'm always questioned,
so I could get on with REVEALING MORE
of what HAS been HIDDEN and LIED about.

And while TALKING WITH YOU let me also explain,
that I will take all names as real, independent people,
and treat them as such unless and until I KNOW otherwise.

Which also means that though I OFTEN SUSPECT a 'name'
of pretending to be friendly, "I" can't publicly "Out" 'them'
if I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW, but will TEST 'them' by posting
on a TACTIC 'they' are using and let 'them' OUT THEMSELVES
in 'their' VIOLENT, OVER REACTIONS to a GENERAL topic
'they' DO RECOGNIZE as PERSONALLY DESCRIPTIVE.

Which brings me to a KEY REQUEST I make of ALL:

IF THE JACK BOOT FITS,
EVEN IF IT'S YOURS,
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR IT!

YOU CAN CHOOSE to THROW IT OUT
RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO
KICK THE HEADS OF THE INNOCENT,
WEAK, ALONE and POWERLESS.


...So, do you WANT to find
THE
KEY of DAVID?




...and THOUSANDS of Years of 'art'=PROPAGANDA
SELLING FALSE HISTORIES, that PREVENTS folk
from SEEING WHERE WE ARE AT, IN THE ACTUAL
TIME LINE of THE CREATOR GOD...


(nice of Google to give me this image
FOR; "location location location" )

true lilly wrote:

el kabong wrote:Be
that as it may, the fact remains that lillys head is permanantly
embedded so far up her own ass that she sees nothing but poo.

SEE, "THEY" have ALWAYS KNOWN and have
CONSPIRED and COLLUDED to KEEP IT SECRET
and so LEAD US TO ACCEPT The BEAST as 'god',
BASED on the RECENT, LYING 'history' of FAKE
'time-lines' LITERALLY CONSTRUCTED to 'support'
MODERN North African Egypt as being the ANCIENT
MITSRAYIM of GOD'S LIVING, TRUE WORD [/color][/size]

true lilly wrote:[color=blue]Beautiful,


[b]...how much more beautiful, when justice reigns...



ooh look, a 'magic number', it must be "just for 'you' ", 'cori'...

true lilly Today at 11:44 amThe connection has timed out

The server at forum.davidicke.com is taking too long to respond.

so much for your 'god'...Shut DOWN, Again,
as 'they' often have to, when having a CRISIS Meeting

...you sure 'you' aren't 'cori'...see David Icke is only a
'sock puppet' of 'tintin'="you insult cori, you insult me",
and well, 'cori' HAS OFTEN Stated how much they HATE
HUMAN BEINGS and WANT 99.9% of HUMANS DEAD,
and well, anyone desperate to have folk 'lord' and Follow
David Icke/'tintin', must share 'the untouchable cori's',
BALD FACED LIES UNTO DEATH, Selling agenda.
<blockquote>

AUNT TISWAS wrote: This clown got the ban from the DIF because he was getting above his station and asking too many questions about decisions which were behind the scenes.
they did well in the DIF, and Icke is getting that T Shirt issue sorted out.

</blockquote>Look, one can't invite people to a Fancy Dress,
then throw them out because their dress wasn't Formal.

Besides being just plain rude, it's the insane behaviour of
one acting so above their station, they believe themselves
to 'be bigger than god'.

...as It Will

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...

Billy Ruben wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

true lilly wrote:

Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection

...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...

true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...

Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.

DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...

Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?