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true lilly Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:28 pm
Two arrested over people smuggling in Australian Federal Police raid
From: AAP
October 06, 2011 10:05AM
AUSTRALIAN Federal Police (AFP) say they have disrupted an international people-smuggling ring with the arrest of two people in Victoria.
A 36-year-old Thornbury man and a 34-year-old Templestowe man have been charged with people-smuggling offences.
The Thornbury man has also been charged with drug offences.
Both men are scheduled to appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court today.
It is alleged they were key players of a people-smuggling syndicate responsible for planning and facilitating the illegal arrival of several people bound for Australia, the AFP said.
"These arrests are the culmination of a 10-month investigation by the AFP's People Smuggling Strike Team which yesterday resulted in the execution of 10 search warrants across Victoria and NSW where numerous documents and computers were seized."
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AFP Manager Operations Crime Operations, Commander Jennifer Hurst said police remained committed to working with Australian and overseas partner agencies to combat all facets of people smuggling.
"Yesterday's arrests are an example of the AFP's commitment to investigating and prosecuting those involved in organising people smuggling ventures to Australia, including facilitators based within Australia and offshore," she said.
"The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation working jointly with our law enforcement partners in Australia and overseas."
The 36-year-old man has been charged with one count of facilitating the proposed entry into Australia of a group of at least five other non-citizens, an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years' jail, and with providing material support to another person to engage in people-smuggling activities, for which the maximum penalty is 10 years' jail.
He has also been charged with importing and possessing a marketable quantity of a border-controlled drug, namely methamphetamine. These offences carry a maximum penalty of 25 years' jail.
The 34-year-old man has been charged with one count of people smuggling.
The maximum penalty for this offence is 10 years' jail.
It is anticipated that further charges will be laid and other people charged in the future, the AFP says.
From: AAP
October 06, 2011 10:05AM
AUSTRALIAN Federal Police (AFP) say they have disrupted an international people-smuggling ring with the arrest of two people in Victoria.
A 36-year-old Thornbury man and a 34-year-old Templestowe man have been charged with people-smuggling offences.
The Thornbury man has also been charged with drug offences.
Both men are scheduled to appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court today.
It is alleged they were key players of a people-smuggling syndicate responsible for planning and facilitating the illegal arrival of several people bound for Australia, the AFP said.
"These arrests are the culmination of a 10-month investigation by the AFP's People Smuggling Strike Team which yesterday resulted in the execution of 10 search warrants across Victoria and NSW where numerous documents and computers were seized."
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AFP Manager Operations Crime Operations, Commander Jennifer Hurst said police remained committed to working with Australian and overseas partner agencies to combat all facets of people smuggling.
"Yesterday's arrests are an example of the AFP's commitment to investigating and prosecuting those involved in organising people smuggling ventures to Australia, including facilitators based within Australia and offshore," she said.
"The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation working jointly with our law enforcement partners in Australia and overseas."
The 36-year-old man has been charged with one count of facilitating the proposed entry into Australia of a group of at least five other non-citizens, an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years' jail, and with providing material support to another person to engage in people-smuggling activities, for which the maximum penalty is 10 years' jail.
He has also been charged with importing and possessing a marketable quantity of a border-controlled drug, namely methamphetamine. These offences carry a maximum penalty of 25 years' jail.
The 34-year-old man has been charged with one count of people smuggling.
The maximum penalty for this offence is 10 years' jail.
It is anticipated that further charges will be laid and other people charged in the future, the AFP says.
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Re: Two arrested over people smuggling in Australian Federal Police raid
true lilly Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:16 pm
REMEMBER, NOT everyone "YOU" GROOM
and TRADE CHILD PORN WITH ON THE NET,
IS A FUTURE VICTIM or FRIEND either...
...BUT DO KEEP DEFENDING THE CHILD TRADERS
and ABUSERS, SO "YOUR" UNKNOWN ENEMIES
KNOW WHO YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES ARE.
WHO SHOVES WHAT RELIGION DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT,
LIKE A DEADLY POISON APPLE?
Those like 'Billy Ruben' and 'Ciggy' WHO ATTACK ME FOR
TELLING THEM TO STOP DISCUSSING THEIR LUSTS
FOR CHILD RELATIVES, in my threads.
ALL "YOU" WEB of LYING NET HEADS WHO PROMOTE
CHILD PORN, 'as' 'art', and WHO ATTACK "YOUR"
SURVIVING VICTIMS FOR TELLING "YOU" IT WILL KILL "YOU"
IF "YOU" DON'T SERIOUSLY, GENUINELY REPENT.
WHO SHOVES WHAT RELIGION DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT,
LIKE A DEADLY POISON APPLE?
ALL "YOU" WEB of LYING NET HEADS WHO PROMOTE
CHILD PORN, 'as' 'art', and WHO ATTACK "YOUR"
SURVIVING VICTIMS FOR TELLING "YOU" IT WILL KILL "YOU"
IF "YOU" DON'T SERIOUSLY, GENUINELY REPENT.
and TRADE CHILD PORN WITH ON THE NET,
IS A FUTURE VICTIM or FRIEND either...
...BUT DO KEEP DEFENDING THE CHILD TRADERS
and ABUSERS, SO "YOUR" UNKNOWN ENEMIES
KNOW WHO YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES ARE.
WHO SHOVES WHAT RELIGION DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT,
LIKE A DEADLY POISON APPLE?
Those like 'Billy Ruben' and 'Ciggy' WHO ATTACK ME FOR
TELLING THEM TO STOP DISCUSSING THEIR LUSTS
FOR CHILD RELATIVES, in my threads.
ALL "YOU" WEB of LYING NET HEADS WHO PROMOTE
CHILD PORN, 'as' 'art', and WHO ATTACK "YOUR"
SURVIVING VICTIMS FOR TELLING "YOU" IT WILL KILL "YOU"
IF "YOU" DON'T SERIOUSLY, GENUINELY REPENT.
true lilly wrote:true lilly wrote:Devil is in the art detail
The eye-catching sculptures.
Devil is in the art detail as Melbourne Festival 2011 begins
by:Simon Plant
From:Herald Sun
October 06, 2011 12:00AM
Apple founder Steve Jobs dead
by:Staff reporters
From:Herald Sun
October 06, 2011 10:44AM
ARE these 6m-high jet-black babies demonic angels, or angelic demons?
Both, actually. And they have magically descended on the city to mark tonight's launch of the 2011 Melbourne Festival.
Festival director Brett Sheehy fully expects these "mischievous monstrosities"
made of black resin to turn heads.
"It's an arresting and playful sculptural spectacle," he said yesterday, as
the Angels-Demons Parade was installed on Swanston St and St Kilda Rd.
The supersized infants - each one weighs a tonne - are the handiwork of a
subversive Russian art collective called AES F and have come all the way
from Antwerp.
Steve Jobs
After the Resignation
This picture of Steve Jobs was taken today --
two days after he resigned as the head honcho of Apple.
No, I didn't make any of this 'art', nor put it on the first Google page,
but when I saw those demonic sculptures, I just knew we'd have 'news'
to match it...and boy didn't it...in fact, I left out, a lot of what those,
'artist' types, would scream is 'disrespectful' and 'offensive'...as 'they'
scream at us, 'they' have a 'right' and 'duty' to 'offend' and 'confront',
everyone...with things like....
This statue is in the same Norway park.
The naked babies are attacking this innocent naked man
The photograph shows a sculpture by artist Patricia Piccinini.
The sculpture named "The Young Family", was part of the We are Family
exhibition displayed in the Australian Pavilion of the
50th Biennale of Venice in 2003.
"YOU" may be "family", but no family of mine, when "YOU" support and defend
this evil brainwashing, while throwing "YOUR" own young relatives at "THEM",
for "YOUR" social 'standing' and financial 'benefit'.
Beside the headline “Discover Norway,”
an urban woman walks through
Oslo’s Vigeland Sculpture Park,
one of the capital city’s most popular,
and most photographed,
tourist attractions
START WITH THE CHILD SEX INDUSTRY ADVERTISING 'artists'
Child erotica refers to any non-nude or semi-nude photographs and videos of children (minors) in sexually suggestive poses,[1] and is also defined as any material relating to children that is used by any individuals for sexual purposes.[2][3] Child erotica may include, in addition to images, other materials that may cause sexual arousal such as children's diaries, drawings, underwear, letters, and other similar items.[3][4] Law enforcement investigators have found that child erotica is often collected by paedophiles and child sexual abuse offenders.[1] Some child erotica images are distributed over the internet and presented in a fashion similar to non-erotic child modeling.
WHO SHOVES WHAT RELIGION DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT,
LIKE A DEADLY POISON APPLE?
ALL "YOU" WEB of LYING NET HEADS WHO PROMOTE
CHILD PORN, 'as' 'art', and WHO ATTACK "YOUR"
SURVIVING VICTIMS FOR TELLING "YOU" IT WILL KILL "YOU"
IF "YOU" DON'T SERIOUSLY, GENUINELY REPENT.
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Re: Two arrested over people smuggling in Australian Federal Police raid
Billy Ruben Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:19 pm
There is one thing to consider though True Lilly,everyone you picked on is either English,Dutch or Aussie.Ciggy,don't count,he's demon,but you're picking on an American Woman now,slandering her name,accusing her of heinous atrocities,Billy Ruben wrote:true lilly wrote:Of course 'Billy Ruben',Billy Ruben wrote:First intelligent news you've reported in years.Even a crackpot like you,gets the idea,the way forward,is to mimic,re-create,natural phenomenon and physics,don't expect me to agree to often though,way ahead of you madam.Were you ever familiar with the wide-bodied aircraft designs of Brunelli?Much safer,fuel efficient and need shorter runways,but do go on madam,I'm sure you won't understand this screen capture,nor did the hospitsl porter niether.
who BOASTS of LUSTING AFTER CHILDREN, and
USING PART Aboriginal blood and MENTAL 'illness'
to GET AWAY WITH CRIMINAL ACTS
WOULD POST THAT HERE,
where I post SERIOUS NEWS Like THIS:
You do not post serious news,you make baseless slander,then post news items supporting your slander.So,I get away with crimes do I,spose you were disappointed with Taree Polices lack of will,eh?I know you've been up to dirty tricks,but they don't work,do they.Niether do mine either.Cause you'd be in a psyche ward by now.You need assessment and care.Billy Ruben wrote:I want an answer true Lilly,why does Atlantabizgirl cover up for baby rapist???Billy Ruben wrote:True Lilly wrote:
And Moderator
atlantabizgal, QUACKS LIKE THE QUACKS WHO
FUCK, TORTURE and COVER UP FOR OTHERS
WHO FUCK and TORTURE BABIES.
See, "THEY" ALL AVOID THE FACT, that,
LIKE CORI,
THAT CHILD RAPIST BOASTED OF HIS EVILS,
TO HIS FELLOW VIOLENT CRIMINALS,
that HE KNEW, PUNISH CHILD RAPISTS.
Which means only two things:
1- he believed he was "untouchable".
A valuable lesson for all such fools.
2- he didn't want to live with himself anymore.
He got the (temporary) relief he begged for.
That's a pretty big call dragging the new kid on the block,labelling Atlantabizgirl a baby rapist,now how did she earn your wrath today.Did she say something to an evil sockpuppet you have hidden at DIF,was there unwarranted spam,in the form of a valid question?
Please,enthrall me with your conclusion and reasons...Billy Ruben wrote:atlantabizgal
Moderator
Look at those eyes,how could you say these things True Lilly,there will be tears spilled for this,mark my words...
True Lilly,you just can't say these things about anybody that takes your displeasure,which,as it turns out,is very easy to do.But just because you had a bad uncle who payed late night visits with bourbon smelling breath,does'nt mean you're a child abuse specialist nor counsellor,please refrain in future,making unfounded accusations,that is all for now.
complicity in the rape and cover-up of minors.Madam,they use the court system,over there,to resolve differences and you sounding like this,in the below video,you maybe actually be ghetto ratting in a government house,unlike what I really believe,you're head mole of a Nazi Biker Death Squad,You may,under scutiny of the courts,be deemed,a type of insanity and end up institutionalised for your very own good...and everybody elses.
Billy Ruben wrote:Billy Ruben wrote:True Lilly,how do you run a successful fund raiser?
I did a "Save Billys Arse Appeal",not a fucking cent I saw,hoping to raise cash for an escape to Holland.
I have'nt got a car.I need a car.Preferabley a special variant,in mickey mouse condition,cared for and cheap.
How do I scam people to buy me this car,cause I need a car and don't want to pay for it?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-COMMODORE-1992-VP-WAGON-WHITE-V6-AUTO-AIR-CON-VN-VR-VS-VT-HSV-/250901869559?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a6aeab3f7
Billy needs car....please help Billy.
I really just don't have the dosh off hand,that's all...nice beast with excellent suspension...
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Re: Two arrested over people smuggling in Australian Federal Police raid
Ciggy Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:50 am
Trouble in Oz, Dingbat Lilly? Not so Garden of Eden like, lately?
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Re: Two arrested over people smuggling in Australian Federal Police raid
true lilly Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:18 am
Australian citizen on boat charge
Aleks Devic, Carly Crawford
AT least one of the alleged key players
in a people-smuggling ring
was made an Australian
after slipping into the country illegally.
Australian citizen on boat charge
by:Aleks Devic, Carly Crawford
From:Herald Sun
October 07, 2011
12:00AM
From: HeraldSun
Fri Oct 07 00:00:00 EST 2011
AT least one of the alleged key players
in a global people-smuggling operation
was made an Aussie
after slipping into the country illegally
a decade ago.
Lamis Alli Baighi, 34, of Templestowe,
was charged with one count of people smuggling.
Herald Sun
AT least one of the alleged key players in a global people-smuggling
operation was made an Aussie after slipping into the country illegally a
decade ago.
The Herald Sun can reveal former
Iraqi man Ali Haidari, 36, of Thornbury,
arrived in Australia on an unauthorised vessel in 2002.
Mr Haidari, who has no family ties in Australia and never landed a career
job, settled in Melbourne and won Australian citizenship in 2007.
He was one of two people police will allege to be the masterminds of a
global smuggling racket spanning Iraq, Iran and Indonesia.
The alleged smuggling ring was exposed as part of Operation Rasbora, which
has been operating for 10 months and which police say will continue with
more charges to be laid.
Australian Federal Police yesterday said the alleged scheme
came undone after undercover operatives allegedly
struck a deal with Mr Haidari to bring over
a fictitious family of six from Afghanistan.
Police allege the ring charged between $4500-$10,000 for asylum
seekers to come to Australia with "significant danger" given the state
of the boats.
Mr Haidari was charged with facilitating the entry into Australia
for the six people last month.
Charge sheets tendered in Melbourne Magistrates' Court
also state that between September 14 and October 5
he provided material support to aid people smuggling.
Mr Haidari, represented by Bernie Balmer also faces
two drug-related charges.
Police allege he imported methamphetamines
valued at $750,000.
Lamis Alli Baighi, 34, of Templestowe,
was charged with one count of people smuggling.
Supt Stephan Obers said outside court that
Indonesian police had helped the operation.
"We're saying (to the court) that they are
key facilitators in the syndicate, they're key planners," Supt Obers said.
Ten search warrants were executed
across Victoria and NSW yesterday with police
seizing documents and computers.
Mr Alli Baighi was released on bail while
Mr Haidari made no application and was remanded in custody.
The pair will next appear in court on February 2.
[email=devica@heraldsun.com.au ]devica@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
Aleks Devic, Carly Crawford
AT least one of the alleged key players
in a people-smuggling ring
was made an Australian
after slipping into the country illegally.
Australian citizen on boat charge
by:Aleks Devic, Carly Crawford
From:Herald Sun
October 07, 2011
12:00AM
From: HeraldSun
Fri Oct 07 00:00:00 EST 2011
AT least one of the alleged key players
in a global people-smuggling operation
was made an Aussie
after slipping into the country illegally
a decade ago.
Lamis Alli Baighi, 34, of Templestowe,
was charged with one count of people smuggling.
Herald Sun
AT least one of the alleged key players in a global people-smuggling
operation was made an Aussie after slipping into the country illegally a
decade ago.
The Herald Sun can reveal former
Iraqi man Ali Haidari, 36, of Thornbury,
arrived in Australia on an unauthorised vessel in 2002.
Mr Haidari, who has no family ties in Australia and never landed a career
job, settled in Melbourne and won Australian citizenship in 2007.
He was one of two people police will allege to be the masterminds of a
global smuggling racket spanning Iraq, Iran and Indonesia.
The alleged smuggling ring was exposed as part of Operation Rasbora, which
has been operating for 10 months and which police say will continue with
more charges to be laid.
Australian Federal Police yesterday said the alleged scheme
came undone after undercover operatives allegedly
struck a deal with Mr Haidari to bring over
a fictitious family of six from Afghanistan.
Police allege the ring charged between $4500-$10,000 for asylum
seekers to come to Australia with "significant danger" given the state
of the boats.
Mr Haidari was charged with facilitating the entry into Australia
for the six people last month.
Charge sheets tendered in Melbourne Magistrates' Court
also state that between September 14 and October 5
he provided material support to aid people smuggling.
Mr Haidari, represented by Bernie Balmer also faces
two drug-related charges.
Police allege he imported methamphetamines
valued at $750,000.
Lamis Alli Baighi, 34, of Templestowe,
was charged with one count of people smuggling.
Supt Stephan Obers said outside court that
Indonesian police had helped the operation.
"We're saying (to the court) that they are
key facilitators in the syndicate, they're key planners," Supt Obers said.
Ten search warrants were executed
across Victoria and NSW yesterday with police
seizing documents and computers.
Mr Alli Baighi was released on bail while
Mr Haidari made no application and was remanded in custody.
The pair will next appear in court on February 2.
[email=devica@heraldsun.com.au ]devica@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
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Re: Two arrested over people smuggling in Australian Federal Police raid
Billy Ruben Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:41 pm
Ciggy wrote:Trouble in Oz, Dingbat Lilly? Not so Garden of Eden like, lately?
About time,it's a holding pen for lower type minds,basement minds...
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Ciggy Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:16 pm
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Billy Ruben Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:26 am
Ciggy wrote:
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Re: Two arrested over people smuggling in Australian Federal Police raid
true lilly Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:23 pm
Paddy of Box Hill Posted at 12:16 PM Today
I want a commissioner who rocks the boat and
drive divisions whenever things get too cosy.
Look at the lack of action on sex slavery,
nothing is being done and I want the boat rocked.
Public servants should be able to rock the boat
and bring government inaction to notice.
12 comments on this story
Looking for leadership for our cops
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
October 17, 2011
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay
has thrown his hat in to the ring, and is considered the frontrunner
in what insiders say is a mediocre line-up.
Picture: Rob Baird Herald Sun
Victoria Police gets a new boss next month and with it the chance to
reconfigure its future - let's hope the appointment is not one of
political expedience.
THREE Victorians turned up dead, believed murdered, in 48 hours last week.
Karina Ann Bell was found first, in a Caulfield South laneway.
The following day, the body of Johanna Martin was found wrapped in a
blanket, her hands and feet bound, off Lorimer St in Port Melbourne.
Hours later, Mark Scherini was found in his burnt out Mazda south of Geelong.
In each case Homicide Squad detectives swooped in to investigate, going
over the bodies and crime scenes and then beginning the tediously
detailed job of piecing together the victims' last hours.
The police at those scenes, and the detectives now at work on seeking
justice for people they had never met, do an outstanding job.
Related Coverage
Lay likely to take top cop job The Australian, 27 Sep 2011
Ken Lay wants Victoria's top-cop role Courier Mail, 27 Sep 2011
Big field for Victoria's top cop job Herald Sun, 27 Sep 2011
Who'll be Victoria's next police chief? Adelaide Now, 22 Sep 2011
Ken Lay 'close' to decision on top cop job Herald Sun, 21 Sep 2011
There were 152 murders here in the year to June 30 and the clearance rate was 87.5 per cent.
Victoria Police also cleared up a dozen murders from the year before.
It's not just hard work for the police concerned, with a huge burden of
expectation by the families of the deceased, it's also quite unpleasant.
Few of us leave for work in the morning with the possibility that our
working day will include examining the remains of fellow Victorians who
have died violently.
So can you imagine how dispiriting it must have been for our dutiful policemen
and women to read the newspapers last week - the front pages of the same editions
that reported on the deaths of Bell, Martin and Scherini were dominated by an unprecedented and ugly brawl waged between our highest-paid officers.
While inadequately paid police were investigating murders, or cleaning up
after fatal accidents, or attending unpredictably violent domestic
disputes, our best-paid cops were listening in to each other's phone
calls - sometimes even of their wives' - and tailing each other to see
if they had been telling stories out of school.
Indeed, it all sounds very much like the puerile antics of kids in a schoolyard and
brings shame on the force run, fortunately only briefly, by Simon Overland.
Like the Kennett government before him, Steve Bracks sought a political solution
when the job of Chief Commissioner came up on his watch, appointing Christine Nixon,
a woman whose leadership credentials are now in tatters - even if it took us a while to
understand how deeply inadequate she was.
Her hand-picked successor, Overland, was reported saying in a speech that
"what matters to me is my family and friends; the rest is just a sideshow".
And what a sideshow it was, apparently at least partly orchestrated by
Overland, with investigations in to his former deputy, Sir Ken Jones, a
man overlooked for the top job, despite clearly being the best candidate.
Now it is up to the Baillieu Government to appoint Overland's replacement,
and the Premier and his Police Minister and deputy, Peter Ryan, have been
taking their time.
If the history of the last 20 years is anything to go by, they may want a "yes" man -
there apparently being no "yes" women senior enough to be considered.
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has thrown his hat in to the ring, and is
considered the frontrunner in what insiders say is a mediocre line-up,
some quality candidates apparently put off by the poisonous politics
that was the hallmark of the Overland years.
Lay is a good and honest man, but I remember sitting in Lay's office discussing with him
what many considered the inadequacies of penalties for hoon drivers.
Back then their cars were confiscated for 48 hours.
Lay considered this harsh.
I didn't, but he ruled out campaigning for a tougher law.
The incoming Liberal Government also believed the hoon laws were soft - so
had the Brumby government in its last months - and is changing them on
July 1, after which cars can be impounded for up to 30 days.
When the changes were being introduced last year Lay seemed to have
had a change of heart.
Speaking then as Deputy Commissioner, he said the changes were "necessary".
He told The Border Mail newspaper that "hoon legislation has allowed us
to get these people, who take risks, who do the wrong thing, who put others' lives
in danger, off the road".
"These proposed changes provide a harsher penalty to dangerous drivers and act
as a stronger deterrent against hoon behaviour."
A cynic would say that Lay's political masters wanted change and he accommodated them. But a man's allowed to change his mind.
Lay's done that on more than one occasion. He once joined the Liberal Party,
half-heartedly by his own accounts. Lay was an inspector in South Gippsland
and part of his job was "to be closely linked to the community".
To achieve better ties he joined a local Liberal branch. Not long after,
Jeff Kennett lost office and the branch "fell over", according to Lay, and
"that was the end of my political relationship with the Liberal Party".
His reasons for joining weren't strong enough for him to drive on to the next branch.
He told the ABC's Jon Faine recently that had he imagined he might one day be in
the position to run for the top job, "it probably wouldn't have been a very smart thing to do".
Probably not.
But again, these are hardly the words of a man certain of his beliefs.
When Faine asked Lay about Attorney-General Robert Clark's sentencing survey,
Lay couldn't comment.
Thousands of Victorians interested in the issue had filled it in, but Lay hadn't seen it.
Sentencing would seem to be of little interest to him, which strikes me as odd.
Lay believes his six-month dalliance with the Liberal Party might undermine his
chances for the top job. I doubt it.
In hindsight, it looks to have been almost insincere. In any case, no one in any
government of any colour has expressed an inability to work with the personable Lay.
But how aggressively will he fight for what he believes in? And what does he believe in?
After the turmoil that sunk Overland and cast long shadows over the force, Baillieu
and Ryan might prefer a Chief Commissioner who won't rock the boat, someone who
can manage the force, and won't drive divisions between command and the
Police Association members.
If that's the case, then Lay is their man.
Whether that makes him our man is another issue.
12 comments on this story
I want a commissioner who rocks the boat and
drive divisions whenever things get too cosy.
Look at the lack of action on sex slavery,
nothing is being done and I want the boat rocked.
Public servants should be able to rock the boat
and bring government inaction to notice.
12 comments on this story
Looking for leadership for our cops
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
October 17, 2011
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay
has thrown his hat in to the ring, and is considered the frontrunner
in what insiders say is a mediocre line-up.
Picture: Rob Baird Herald Sun
Victoria Police gets a new boss next month and with it the chance to
reconfigure its future - let's hope the appointment is not one of
political expedience.
THREE Victorians turned up dead, believed murdered, in 48 hours last week.
Karina Ann Bell was found first, in a Caulfield South laneway.
The following day, the body of Johanna Martin was found wrapped in a
blanket, her hands and feet bound, off Lorimer St in Port Melbourne.
Hours later, Mark Scherini was found in his burnt out Mazda south of Geelong.
In each case Homicide Squad detectives swooped in to investigate, going
over the bodies and crime scenes and then beginning the tediously
detailed job of piecing together the victims' last hours.
The police at those scenes, and the detectives now at work on seeking
justice for people they had never met, do an outstanding job.
Related Coverage
Lay likely to take top cop job The Australian, 27 Sep 2011
Ken Lay wants Victoria's top-cop role Courier Mail, 27 Sep 2011
Big field for Victoria's top cop job Herald Sun, 27 Sep 2011
Who'll be Victoria's next police chief? Adelaide Now, 22 Sep 2011
Ken Lay 'close' to decision on top cop job Herald Sun, 21 Sep 2011
There were 152 murders here in the year to June 30 and the clearance rate was 87.5 per cent.
Victoria Police also cleared up a dozen murders from the year before.
It's not just hard work for the police concerned, with a huge burden of
expectation by the families of the deceased, it's also quite unpleasant.
Few of us leave for work in the morning with the possibility that our
working day will include examining the remains of fellow Victorians who
have died violently.
So can you imagine how dispiriting it must have been for our dutiful policemen
and women to read the newspapers last week - the front pages of the same editions
that reported on the deaths of Bell, Martin and Scherini were dominated by an unprecedented and ugly brawl waged between our highest-paid officers.
While inadequately paid police were investigating murders, or cleaning up
after fatal accidents, or attending unpredictably violent domestic
disputes, our best-paid cops were listening in to each other's phone
calls - sometimes even of their wives' - and tailing each other to see
if they had been telling stories out of school.
Indeed, it all sounds very much like the puerile antics of kids in a schoolyard and
brings shame on the force run, fortunately only briefly, by Simon Overland.
Like the Kennett government before him, Steve Bracks sought a political solution
when the job of Chief Commissioner came up on his watch, appointing Christine Nixon,
a woman whose leadership credentials are now in tatters - even if it took us a while to
understand how deeply inadequate she was.
Her hand-picked successor, Overland, was reported saying in a speech that
"what matters to me is my family and friends; the rest is just a sideshow".
And what a sideshow it was, apparently at least partly orchestrated by
Overland, with investigations in to his former deputy, Sir Ken Jones, a
man overlooked for the top job, despite clearly being the best candidate.
Now it is up to the Baillieu Government to appoint Overland's replacement,
and the Premier and his Police Minister and deputy, Peter Ryan, have been
taking their time.
If the history of the last 20 years is anything to go by, they may want a "yes" man -
there apparently being no "yes" women senior enough to be considered.
Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has thrown his hat in to the ring, and is
considered the frontrunner in what insiders say is a mediocre line-up,
some quality candidates apparently put off by the poisonous politics
that was the hallmark of the Overland years.
Lay is a good and honest man, but I remember sitting in Lay's office discussing with him
what many considered the inadequacies of penalties for hoon drivers.
Back then their cars were confiscated for 48 hours.
Lay considered this harsh.
I didn't, but he ruled out campaigning for a tougher law.
The incoming Liberal Government also believed the hoon laws were soft - so
had the Brumby government in its last months - and is changing them on
July 1, after which cars can be impounded for up to 30 days.
When the changes were being introduced last year Lay seemed to have
had a change of heart.
Speaking then as Deputy Commissioner, he said the changes were "necessary".
He told The Border Mail newspaper that "hoon legislation has allowed us
to get these people, who take risks, who do the wrong thing, who put others' lives
in danger, off the road".
"These proposed changes provide a harsher penalty to dangerous drivers and act
as a stronger deterrent against hoon behaviour."
A cynic would say that Lay's political masters wanted change and he accommodated them. But a man's allowed to change his mind.
Lay's done that on more than one occasion. He once joined the Liberal Party,
half-heartedly by his own accounts. Lay was an inspector in South Gippsland
and part of his job was "to be closely linked to the community".
To achieve better ties he joined a local Liberal branch. Not long after,
Jeff Kennett lost office and the branch "fell over", according to Lay, and
"that was the end of my political relationship with the Liberal Party".
His reasons for joining weren't strong enough for him to drive on to the next branch.
He told the ABC's Jon Faine recently that had he imagined he might one day be in
the position to run for the top job, "it probably wouldn't have been a very smart thing to do".
Probably not.
But again, these are hardly the words of a man certain of his beliefs.
When Faine asked Lay about Attorney-General Robert Clark's sentencing survey,
Lay couldn't comment.
Thousands of Victorians interested in the issue had filled it in, but Lay hadn't seen it.
Sentencing would seem to be of little interest to him, which strikes me as odd.
Lay believes his six-month dalliance with the Liberal Party might undermine his
chances for the top job. I doubt it.
In hindsight, it looks to have been almost insincere. In any case, no one in any
government of any colour has expressed an inability to work with the personable Lay.
But how aggressively will he fight for what he believes in? And what does he believe in?
After the turmoil that sunk Overland and cast long shadows over the force, Baillieu
and Ryan might prefer a Chief Commissioner who won't rock the boat, someone who
can manage the force, and won't drive divisions between command and the
Police Association members.
If that's the case, then Lay is their man.
Whether that makes him our man is another issue.
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Can't read that, too busy watching strippers.
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We've got a couple of satellites in rotation to keep tabs on you as well.
You're too valuable to Truth to be allowed to go on posting on forums.
Spies infiltrated Victorian desalination plant | The Australian
18 Nov 2010 – Spies infiltrated Victorian desalination plant ... Spies in Desal Plant ...The documents state that those hired for the alleged spying should ideally ...
Allegations of spying at desal project - ABC Gippsland Vic ...
18 Nov 2010 – Work has stopped on the controversial Wonthaggi desalination project after allegations that a Tasmanian based company was hired to spy on ...
An interesting comment from, Ex-union official (comment 17 below),
because of how much they do say. Mind you, it can't be added to, as it
would "offend" too many people in 'respected' positions, but I will add
to it here, as it ties right in with why the ilk of
'cori', 'tintin', and all 'their' local associates believe themselves to be 'untouchable'...
"They're running amok," she said.ex-union official Posted at 8:01 AM Today
Unions have been linked to outlaw motorcycle gangs, and
various other organisations that need disbanding, for decades
so this story should come as no shock. Unions are draconian
organisations of a bygone era. They serve no purpose other than to
feather their own nests and pray on the weak minded to make them think
they need them by paying ridiculous amounts of fees every year for cheap
shopping, discounted banking and overpriced health insurance. Sooner
workers wake up and see they are being taken for a ride the better they
and this country will be....Sound like a cult don't they?
Comment 17 of 20
While I maintain that there are good and bad in all,
(I even know some health professionals who are good people),
you make so much clear sense, I'm sure it's gone over the heads of most.
Sounds like, walks like...dangerous cultists do exist and hide
behind the membership of, and association with, 'respected clubs', such
as the medical and health services professions, and other 'respected'
organisations they associate with, and I look forward to the day people
no longer see a uniform and assume they know the character of the
individual person wearing it, i.e. "Ah, a nurse. Must be selfless,
giving and kind. A police woman, must be just and lawful.".
Yes, a shovel put at the door of a health unionist, is far more worrying,
than M.C. Club members moving shovels slowly on a work site, under their
contracted rights, signed 'on our behalf' by 'respected' elected officials.
Ah, if only some of the appointed members of the 'justice' industry,
were as honorable in enforcing our laws, as some clubs are at enforcing
their own.
Oh, and I post this article without highlights or comments, but will add:
NOTICE, ALL THAT WATER, LYING AROUND THE COUNTRYSIDE,
SURROUNDING The "desal" Plant?
IT FELL OUT OF THE SKY!
FOR FREE!
AS IT ALWAYS DOES AROUND THAT DISTRICT!
comment 12, by,
William of Carlton Posted at 7:23 AM Today
Everything about the desal plant is shonky.
From the non-justification of its existence,...
Bikies linked to workers at Wonthaggi desalination plant
by: Carly Crawford, Stephen Drill
From:Herald Sun
October 17, 2011
20 comments
Unionists with links to at least three outlaw motorcycle gangs - the Black Uhlans, the Comancheros, and the Rebels - have reportedly been active at
the desal plant.
Herald Sun
A HARD core of union workers at the troubled desalination plant are allegedly aligned with outlaw motorcycle gangs.
A Herald Sun investigation has uncovered allegations that
bikie-backed union members have snared a slice of the $5.7 billion plant
in Wonthaggi, Victoria's richest infrastructure project.
The State Government says it is "extremely concerned" and has asked the
Victoria Police Chief Commissioner's office for advice on tackling crime
in the building industry.
Unionists with links to at least three outlaw motorcycle gangs - the Black
Uhlans, the Comancheros, and the Rebels - have been active on the site,
the Herald Sun understands.
But unions denied yesterday there were any members of outlaw bikie gangs on site.
Information from sources in construction and law enforcement indicates:
Related Coverage
Exposed: The Coast's bikie tsars Courier Mail, 8 days ago
Gangs armed and dangerous Herald Sun, 27 Sep 2011
Outlaw bikie escort for school formal Courier Mail, 23 Sep 2011
Police insider's link to bikies Herald Sun, 5 Aug 2011
Police to take on outlaw gangs Herald Sun, 22 May 2011
A TRADES assistant at the site has told co-workers he is a high-ranking member of
the Black Uhlans and also a member of the AMWU.
AT LEAST one senior figure on the site has suspected links with a high-profile member
of the Rebels.
A TRADESMAN with a prominent role in the ETU who has worked on the site
is aligned with the Comancheros and was convicted in 2009 of theft and
possession of drugs and illegal explosives.
One source said several bikie gang members had established themselves in Wonthaggi,
even renting homes in the town.
"They're running amok," she said.
The Black Uhlans publicly rallied to support then AMWU figure Craig Johnston,
now a CFMEU steward, after he was jailed in 2004 for leading a rampage through
a recruitment firm.
Unionists believed to have been involved in that incident now work at the desal plant, industry sources say.
Construction industry figures believe another CFMEU figure, whose identity is known to the Herald Sun, retains a strong connection to the Black Uhlans.
The ETU, CFMEU and AMWU all yesterday denied their members had any links with outlaw bikie clubs.
Desal plant builder Thiess Degremont said it required professional standards of behaviour of its employees.
[email=investigations@heraldsun.com.au ]investigations@heraldsun.com.au [/email]
20 comments on this story
Harry M of Melbourne outer Posted at 12:09 AM Today
More speed cameras is the answer.
Comment 1 of 20
morph of Sydney Posted at 12:10 AM Today
Itâ€
s easy to be PM, just reverse what ever Howard did. This is why the Gillard Govt is in such a hurry to dismantle
the last remnants of the Australian Building and Construction
Commission. They were the ones responsible for removing the militant and
criminal elements from the construction industry, during the Howard
years.
Comment 2 of 20
Johno of Melbourne Posted at 12:36 AM Today
There is no law against being associated with a
bikie club but the fair work act has a freedom of association clause
which states that people have a right to be or not to be in a union.
God help anyone in the building and construction industry who does not
join the union.
Clean up these overpaid thugs Ted.
Comment 3 of 20
Steve S of Melbourne Posted at 12:39 AM Today
Just the usual situation for a Labor project.
Some of these uneducated thugs will be your local Mp's soon enough. Yet
the mindless sheep will blindly continue to vote for them.
Comment 4 of 20
Scott of Corio Posted at 1:08 AM Today
When will media understand that people are not labels, we are not what we do.
Comment 5 of 20
The Mighty Wallabies Posted at 1:27 AM Today
Yep, whatever. Nations built on criminals, the
people idolize criminals, the media makes money from criminals then the
people idolize the criminals that are on TV. Not really doing much to
deter the future generation from becoming criminals. This is life get
over it.
Comment 6 of 20
Lachlan of Warrnambool Posted at 5:40 AM Today
So the herald sun understands that bike
members are active on this site? Why would you publish this unless you
were certain of these allegations? I'm sure there are rank and file bike
gang members working in many different industries. How about the herald
sun finds something worth writing about instead of inciting hate toward
Comment 7 of 20
GJ The Magpieman of Watsonia North Posted at 6:25 AM Today
Typical Unions !
Comment 8 of 20
Matt of Upwey Posted at 6:25 AM Today
WTF? So you are not allowed to be in a union
and also know or be a member of a motorcycle club? What sort of article
is this anyway? Are you allowed to be in a motorcycle club and work?
This is insanity.
Comment 9 of 20
Kylie of Eltham Posted at 7:11 AM Today
I'm not surprised to read this. Union run
construction sights are just down right criminal. I know several people
who work on not just this sight but other union sights. The amount of
illegal activity that goes on is a joke. State Labor party are also
corrupt for turning a blind eye to and sometimes agreeing to all of the
illegal activities going on. All at the expense of us Tax payers.
Disgusting.
Comment 10 of 20
Matt of Melbourne Posted at 7:22 AM Today
What a load of rubbish, that is a typical
example of glorified journalism. I could be linked to the bikies as I
train at the gym with one in my boxing sessions. Does that mean i have
associates and links to bikies? Just another attemp to make the CFMEU
& Unions look bad so Baiileu can justify his attempts to create a
new state-based ABCC. Its ok Mr Baileu for bosses to make squillions
each year in salary's but once the normal people see some dollars its
all doom and gloom. What else do you expect from someone who only knows
the postcode of toorak
Comment 11 of 20
William of Carlton Posted at 7:23 AM Today
Everything about the desal plant is shonky.
From the non-justification of its existence, to the waste of workers
super through underwriting by industry super funds, to the reservation
of highly paid unnecessary jobs by union hacks. Ted B should cut his
losses, shut it down now and contract out a new dam built with
non-compulsory union labor. Let the partially built desal plant be a
monument to Labor greed and incompetence.
Comment 12 of 20
Vroom Vroom of Melbourne Posted at 7:31 AM Today
Ooh and a bloke who was on is way to
Wangaratta up the Hume was overtaken by a woman who's cousin went out
with a guy who had a motorbike and he might have had a mate who was in a
bikie gang! What a beat up this story is!!
Comment 13 of 20
Daffyd of Portsea Posted at 7:42 AM Today
What do you expect when the 'people' vote Labor
into government. It's embarrassing. People are so unintelligent.
Comment 14 of 20
Fredfrog & the Tadpoles of Swampy Hollow Posted at 7:44 AM Today
So whats new, we all know that these people
work in all sorts of areas.Yes there may be members of the groups
mentioned causing trouble in the town that they are living in. If this
is the case why havent the police of this area stepped in & done
something about them.?We also have been aware for many years that unless
your a member of a union you will not be allowed to work in this
industry. I wasnt aware that you had to be come a Union Card Carrying
member to work any where in Australia. I thought that we still had
FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Oopps !! sorry these are Labor Party supporters and
as such the little man has no rights.Just look at all the former
UNIONISTS running this country & the faceless ones backing them who
are sending this country down the drain & making us the laughing
stock for the rest of the world.
Comment 15 of 20
Filiz of Endeavour HIlls Posted at 7:54 AM Today
and..........?
The media criticises "bikies" for alleged illegal activities but it
seems they are not even allowed to hold a legit job without criticism.
Comment 16 of 20
ex-union official Posted at 8:01 AM Today
Unions have been linked to outlaw motorcycle
gangs, and various other organisations that need disbanding, for decades
so this story should come as no shock. Unions are draconian
organisations of a bygone era. They serve no purpose other than to
feather their own nests and pray on the weak minded to make them think
they need them by paying ridiculous amounts of fees every year for cheap
shopping, discounted banking and overpriced health insurance. Sooner
workers wake up and see they are being taken for a ride the better they
and this country will be....Sound like a cult don't they?
Comment 17 of 20
ted of Frankston Posted at 8:16 AM Today
what about the bloke that's a member of the
foot ball club, and works at the desal plant, just wrong you cant be a
member of a club and work as well.
Comment 18 of 20
Rita Posted at 8:33 AM Today
Knock knock Ted, are you at home?
Comment 19 of 20
long live the fat mexican of werribee Posted at 8:45 AM Today
To work on union sites you must be a paid up member.Does the Herald Sun
believe that bikies are not allowed to work? I have friends who are Black Uhlans
and Bandidos, I have been to their clubhouses for a drink and they were the
safest places I have ever had a guzzle.
Comment 20 of 20
UPDATE: Now
61 comments on this story
and seems my comment was moderate enough
to be posted, and without moderation.
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