Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

LADY ANGERESS wrote:My weekly message to you Mr Icke is this:
Thank your lucky stars that you are not sectioned and you are talking to the 'masses' in Wembley Arena soon? Anyway, you have disgusted me with that forum of yours and anyway, I am NEVER returning to that place again.
Here is a prediction photo of the Wembley Arena talk.

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:I do not mean that and anyway, my Brilliant Blogs are back in business and I am talking the talk. Anyway here is a vintage post from yours truly.

http://talesofconspricaracyideas.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking.

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking.

Coph Nia wrote:

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking.

So what you will do is use his newsletter and change the words around

VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos, a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.

Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.

Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.

MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean up.


If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.

Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.

A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.

POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at community events and has alienated many community groups in inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag, declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.

Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:

“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting record profits.”

But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1% in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense. He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge ComCar.

He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.

And who could blame him?

KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the words they preach.

That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”. In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly “diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.

But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”

If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being frauds of the most outrageous kind.

WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go out on the job.

Yep, it’s the Police.

They are working people.

But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:

“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”

They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”

It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.

It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.

A key Occupy Melbourne organiser was Tina Athanasopoulos. She set up its Facebook page, gave interviews on 3CR representing them and so on.

And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?

She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.

David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to Wikipedia:

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie

Ominously:

According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias, and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view of the radical right virtually intact.

and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:

In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903, which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)

These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have – hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:

Coph Nia wrote:

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking.

So what you will do is use his newsletter and change the words around

Yeah that is what I will do but I will not infringe COPYWRITE but I will make a summary of HIS newsletters so that outsiders will love to read the proper words from the man himself.

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:Typical post from Marpat as per usual!!! How Dare YOu for being an Ickester embraces using one's mind OK.
No the newsletters will not be Icke word's but mine instead but it will talk about the subject in my very special Tiswas way for all and sundry to listen and learn about.

Coph Nia wrote:

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:Typical post from Marpat as per usual!!! How Dare YOu for being an Ickester embraces using one's mind OK.
No the newsletters will not be Icke word's but mine instead but it will talk about the subject in my very special Tiswas way for all and sundry to listen and learn about.

Im sure you will keep people rivetted

Being an Ickster usually entails following his work and only accepting sources that he promotes rather than looking at material that might contradict and really educate. The fact that he thought an Egyptian wall painting of an vase was really an alien speaks so much for using his own mind. At the very least it proves he makes no effort to prove, check or correct his sources but uses the material verbatim, regardless of how accurate it is. This is not the method of a person seeking after truth or trying to help others.

true lilly wrote:General Chat

...if I can't have a thread there,

then THIS, SHOULD NOT BE HERE!

David Icke Myth: Rothschild Zionism in its public expression is a political ideology based on a homeland for Jewish people in Palestine and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel (historically this is nonsense, as I show in my books)

David Icke Myth: They have sought to sell the 'Zionism-means-all-Jewish-people' lie so that they can condemn as 'anti-Semites' and 'racists' anyone who exposes the truth about Rothschild Zionism and its agents in government, banking, business, media, military etc.

Zionism is the national self determination movement of the Jewish people. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people, in Israel. Zionism is the Jewish people's instantiation of the human right of self determination. 99% of Jews are supportive of the existance of the Jewish state - that makes them Zionists..............In summary
Almost all Jews (99%) are infact Zionists, but the definition Zionists (and infact almost all Jewish anti-Zionists) themselves use. If you use an antisemic defintion such as Zionism as Racist you can of course invent statistics as you please.
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David Icke Myth:The world's most extreme racists are, after all, the Rothschild Zionists, anyway. Israel is an apartheid state every bit as much as were apartheid South Africa and apartheid America.

Comparison of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict with Apartheid South AfricaThese days it is becoming very popular to compare the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict with apartheid South Africa prior to 1994. It is an odious comparison wreaked with many half-truths and clichés. Both situations are so different that when one examines the situation one can note major differences. The idea of using this comparison is to delegitimize Israel's right to exist within secure and recognized borders and to justify the Palestinian methods of terror in order to destroy Israel.


In apartheid South Africa prior to 1994 before the first democratic elections in South Africa 's history, there was this odious apartheid system. Its main purpose was to maintain white minority rule at all costs and to keep the black majority disenfranchised and without basic human rights. These blacks were a reservoir of cheap labour to operate the white economy and to ensure white prosperity at their expense. Blacks had suffered immense injustice under this system. White South African Government spending on black education and their general community welfare was minimal. The gap between the black situation then and slavery was not very large.

Social intercourse between whites and blacks in those days was a relationship between the white master and the black, underpaid servant. The situation for non-white people was intolerable and even cruel. It was against the law for Blacks to travel freely in the country of their birth except if they had a pass (dompas) from the white authorities. After 9.00 p.m., there was a curfew and blacks were forbidden in the streets after that dreaded hour in many towns. These people were not terrorists. They were not people who threatened the whites in any way. Denial of their basic human rights was commonplace. There was the dreaded Immorality Act, which prevented mixed marriages and sex beyond the colour bar. Those who contravened the law were imprisoned. There were separate public facilities for blacks and whites. Laws forbade blacks to eat in white restaurants. Separate transport facilities, which resulted in overcrowded conditions in buses and trains, were part of this evil, cruel system. It was common to see police officers abusing and ill treating blacks for not having their pass (identity or reference book) on their person when being searched. The police pushed them into the back of the police van, and drove them to the police station where they spent a night in the lock up cell. Usually their white employers bailed out these unfortunate persons when they produced a permit that they were in his employ legally. Blacks could not purchase property in white areas, as this was a contravention of the notorious Group Areas Act.

Anybody who opposed the apartheid system in those days – especially if he was black – was accused of being an agitator or communist. The police arrested him for 90 days without trial or recourse to a lawyer. This was increased later to 180 days detention and the police officer even had the power to keep a person imprisoned indefinitely without trial. These incidents occurred during the period of 1950 – 1990. Apartheid was at its zenith in those years. It was illegal to criticise the white government for its apartheid practices. There was limited criticism in those days by white opposition parties in parliament. However, the law controlled the limit of legal criticism. The abuse of prisoners for obtaining information was legal and encouraged. The police tortured the famous black leader, Steve Biko, to death when he was in prison for "anti-apartheid crimes" in 1977.

The majority of South African citizens was against apartheid and wanted to be part of a multi racial South Africa . The leaders of the liberation movements never spoke of destroying the white man and denying him rights in South Africa. Their fight was a justified fight for freedom and human rights as well as equality before the law.

If one were to contrast that with the situation in the Middle East, it is different. Israel 's Arab neighbours threatened her from the day of her establishment in 1948. There was never a desire to recognise Israel 's right to exist. What has this to do with South African style apartheid? Where is the comparison?

The blacks in their liberation struggle never targeted innocent people by suicide bombings or terror. There were sporadic incidents by some black extremists, but the mainstream liberation movements in South Africa went underground. Their leaders, who were living in exile, condemned this violence.

Perhaps, there may be a vague parallel of apartheid in the occupied territories since June 1967. The occupation is a complex problem that is the result of a war foisted onto Israel . Israel, being militarily superior, occupied territory in the Six Day War of June 1967 and made the fatal mistake of encouraging Jewish settlements there when it was obvious that there was no Arab partner who was willing to sign a peace treaty insuring the return of occupied territory as part of an overall peace agreement. The occupation and rule of the Palestinians is a tragic result of the wars that Israel fought for her survival/

However, had there been a willing partner on the Arab side who would come to terms with Israel's existence the seemingly "apartheid-like" situation would not have occurred. Israel never wished to conquer another people. This is contrary to the apartheid South African situation whereby the whites ruled and oppressed the blacks by force. They denied them their basic human rights. The intifida of 2000 resulted in a heavy spate of suicide violence against innocent Israelis, which resulted in heavy Israeli Army retaliation against armed Palestinian terrorists. The Palestinian terrorist groups had declared war on Israel and in a war; innocent people on both sides die and suffer.

The difference is that in South Africa both Whites and Blacks realized that their fate is dependent on one another. Both realised the importance of sitting down and negotiating a transitional period to end apartheid. Both sides were determined to rebuild the new democratic, multiracial South Africa . This feeling of mutual desire to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is lacking. The Palestinians have embarked on the road of terror and suicide bombings.

This is their chosen path. It differs from the path that the freedom fighters in South Africa chose. Here there is no desire to come to terms with Israel 's existence that was always a "thorn" in Palestinian flesh. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have made this perfectly clear to the world. Their manifesto is no example in building an alternative democratic Palestinian society in a state replacing Israel.

Is there not a similarity to Nazism in the Hamas manifesto? Many Palestinian observers in the UN Security council accuse Israel of genocide. Is the Hamas Manifesto not promoting genocide of the Jewish People? Compare this to the ideals of those who opposed and fought the cruel racist regime of White South Africa during those evil, apartheid years. Their fight was a fight to attain equality for all South Africans irrespective of their skin colour. This is not the case in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Here there is no desire in Palestinian street, as represented by Hamas and company, to come to terms with Israel's existence – let alone negotiate a peace treaty, which would eventually lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel . Genocide is more part of the lexicon of the Palestinian terrorist groups than in Israel . Perhaps from this point of view, there is a similarity between the Palestinians and the dominating whites of apartheid South Africa . Both peoples oppressed their citizens and denied them basic human rights. Both regimes were corrupt and were involved in feathering their own nests.

The similarity of apartheid South Africa to the Palestinian Authority, including their methods of torture of opponents, makes this comparison closer to the truth.
Where are human rights in the Arab countries? Where are woman's rights in Islamic Society? In Saudi Arabia , women are treated like chattels and do not even have the franchise. Why are the human rights organizations not taking any view on that?

Another very big difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is the fact that there are no separate facilities for Jews and Arabs. Arab Israelis have equal rights and have the right to vote. There is no law preventing social mixing between the two peoples nor are there separate universities for Arabs and Israelis in Israel.

The comparison between Israel and apartheid South Africa shows total ignorance of the situation in both countries. After having been born and educated in apartheid South Africa and having opposed apartheid and racism all my life, I have come to realize how false and stupid this comparison really is. Much still remains to be done in the human rights area for Arab Israelis. There is some social descrimination in the job market and the situation is not as good as it could be. However, it is very far from the apartheid system of White South Africa where draconian laws were well set in place to separate blacks from whites

David Icke Myth: And by that I don't only mean the evil that is inflicted upon the Palestinian people minute-by-minute, day-by-day, but also the extraordinarily racist divisions within Jewish society with the black Jews from Ethiopia, for example, treated as little more than vermin

David Icke wrote:David Icke Newsletter Preview


A HAPPY NEW YEAR? ...


… ONLY IF WE GET OFF OUR ARSES AND MAKE IT SO

If we don’t, and big-time, we will regret it for the rest of our lives and our children and grandchildren even more so.

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

So we are here at last: the all-singing, all-dancing, world famous, 2012. Is it the end of the world? Or the start of a new one? I say neither. Some of the 2012 hype has become just plain silly and we have probably seen nothing yet.

I have been saying since 1990 that we were in the midst of a vibrational change – the result of an information change in the waveform construct of the Universe – which would awaken humanity from its aeons of manipulated slumber. This is now clearly happening as millions upon millions of people worldwide open their minds to another view of self and reality.

I had still more confirmation over the Christmas break when I met people I have known for decades who were suddenly ‘getting it’. They were ‘No, not him or her, they’ll never get it’ people and yet the solidity of their intellectual-vibrational ‘box’ is now being breached by the spontaneous ‘insight’ that they and the world are not what they thought they were.

I have no problem, therefore, with the theme of energetic transformation bringing ‘five-sense’ transformation to human society. I just don't buy the 2012 Mayan calendar stuff, or the interpretation of it, that’s all. For me, the real significance of 2012 is that it is not 2011. But, then, it is not 2013, either.

The energetic/information change that I dubbed the 'Truth Vibrations’ in 1990 is not a one-year wonder. It has been easing its way into the information construct of our experienced reality for decades, especially since the 1980s, and it has been increasing its power and influence ever since ...

... There is also another potential significance for 2012 – how the Control System could exploit the hype and mystique of 2012 to make it seem like the prophecies about the end of the world in their many forms are really happening. This brings me to the gathering storm now targeting almost every aspect of human life.

el kabong wrote:

fukin' A

Billy Ruben wrote:

el kabong wrote:

fukin' A

I do like Icke,I just wouldn't consider him an exact science,that is all...