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true lilly Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:55 pm
Indian state mulls ban on black magic
From correspondents in Mumbai
From: AFP
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
CHANTING to cure snakebites, claiming to be a reincarnated spouse to
obtain sex, and charging for miracles could soon be banned by an Indian
state seeking to stop charlatans preying on the vulnerable.
Many superstitions are widely held in India but a campaign group
is lobbying hard for a new law in the western state of Maharashtra to
outlaw several exploitative activities, with penalties of fines or up
to seven years in jail.
But the push to pass the
Maharashtra Prevention
and Eradication of Human Sacrifice
and Other Inhuman, Evil Practices
and Black Magic Bill
has not received unanimous support.
Some Hindu nationalists fear the legislation seeks to move beyond the
excesses named in its title and might be used to curb cherished religious freedoms.
One right-wing association, the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, called it
"a draconian law targeting faith",
denounced its proponents as "atheists" and called for supporters to
lobby assembly members to oppose it and demand amendments.
Related Coverage
Eradication Committee, which has been calling for a law for the last
two decades, is undeterred and hopes other states will follow suit.
"Superstitions are rampant all over India but at the moment there is
no law which stops this type of activity," Narendra Dabholkar said.
"There are laws against witchcraft but they're limited to a particular type of
witchcraft. This is much wider and more encompassing."
The draft law, supported by Maharashtra's ruling Congress-National Congress Party
coalition, aims to target "quacks and conmen" who exploit widely-held
superstitions and the ignorant, particularly in rural areas.
In May this year, police said they had foiled an alleged attempt
to abduct and kill a seven-year-old girl in a village near Nashik,
northwest of Mumbai, as part of a ritual to find hidden treasure.
And last year, a childless couple in a remote village some 675km east of Mumbai
were arrested for allegedly killing five young boys because a religious
mystic told them it would help the woman to conceive.
Practices to be banned by the proposed law include beating a person to exorcise
ghosts or making money by claiming to work miracles.
Treating a dog, snake or scorpion bite with chants instead of medicine, and
seeking sexual favours by claiming to be an incarnation of a holy spirit or
the client's wife or husband in a past life would also be proscribed.
Some critics, however, say the draft law does not go far enough and
has been watered down since it was first mooted way back in 1995
due to protests from pro-Hindu groups.
"In my opinion the bill that has ultimately come into Maharashtra suggests nothing
new. It doesn't give anything additional," said Sanal Edamaruku, president of
the Indian Rationalist Association.
Concerns about the draft law's impact on legitimate religious practices from Hindu
nationalist groups such as the Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have delayed its passing.
They say it could be used to prevent common Hindu rites like the "havan" ritual,
in which a consecrated fire is lit in the home to chase away evil spirits.
Dabholkar rejects the charge that the bill is anti-religion.
"In the whole of the bill, there's not a single word about God or religion.
Nothing like that. The Indian constitution allows freedom of worship and
nobody can take that away," he said.
"This is about fraudulent and exploitative practices."
For Edamaruku, whose organisation seeks to debunk superstition and promote
scientific reasoning, a new India-wide law against charlatans is vital to build on
the great strides made by the country in recent years.
Continued belief in superstitions and black magic "will hinder India's
development," he said. "A countrywide law is needed.
We need to fight
against ignorance."
...So, WHY AREN'T WE
ALLOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST
The IGNORANCE of RELIGIONS
that ARE FLOODING INTO AUSTRALIA...
From correspondents in Mumbai
From: AFP
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
CHANTING to cure snakebites, claiming to be a reincarnated spouse to
obtain sex, and charging for miracles could soon be banned by an Indian
state seeking to stop charlatans preying on the vulnerable.
Many superstitions are widely held in India but a campaign group
is lobbying hard for a new law in the western state of Maharashtra to
outlaw several exploitative activities, with penalties of fines or up
to seven years in jail.
But the push to pass the
Maharashtra Prevention
and Eradication of Human Sacrifice
and Other Inhuman, Evil Practices
and Black Magic Bill
has not received unanimous support.
Some Hindu nationalists fear the legislation seeks to move beyond the
excesses named in its title and might be used to curb cherished religious freedoms.
One right-wing association, the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, called it
"a draconian law targeting faith",
denounced its proponents as "atheists" and called for supporters to
lobby assembly members to oppose it and demand amendments.
Related Coverage
- Hazare urges anti-graft 'shocks' Herald Sun, 12 hours ago
- Mumbai police close on bombers Herald Sun, 16 Jul 2011
- Kangan TAFE to capitalise on India's demand for skills The Australian, 11 Jul 2011
- Bollywood takes on the censors The Australian, 17 Jun 2011
- India's Picasso blended old and new The Australian, 13 Jun 2011
Eradication Committee, which has been calling for a law for the last
two decades, is undeterred and hopes other states will follow suit.
"Superstitions are rampant all over India but at the moment there is
no law which stops this type of activity," Narendra Dabholkar said.
"There are laws against witchcraft but they're limited to a particular type of
witchcraft. This is much wider and more encompassing."
The draft law, supported by Maharashtra's ruling Congress-National Congress Party
coalition, aims to target "quacks and conmen" who exploit widely-held
superstitions and the ignorant, particularly in rural areas.
In May this year, police said they had foiled an alleged attempt
to abduct and kill a seven-year-old girl in a village near Nashik,
northwest of Mumbai, as part of a ritual to find hidden treasure.
And last year, a childless couple in a remote village some 675km east of Mumbai
were arrested for allegedly killing five young boys because a religious
mystic told them it would help the woman to conceive.
Practices to be banned by the proposed law include beating a person to exorcise
ghosts or making money by claiming to work miracles.
Treating a dog, snake or scorpion bite with chants instead of medicine, and
seeking sexual favours by claiming to be an incarnation of a holy spirit or
the client's wife or husband in a past life would also be proscribed.
Some critics, however, say the draft law does not go far enough and
has been watered down since it was first mooted way back in 1995
due to protests from pro-Hindu groups.
"In my opinion the bill that has ultimately come into Maharashtra suggests nothing
new. It doesn't give anything additional," said Sanal Edamaruku, president of
the Indian Rationalist Association.
Concerns about the draft law's impact on legitimate religious practices from Hindu
nationalist groups such as the Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have delayed its passing.
They say it could be used to prevent common Hindu rites like the "havan" ritual,
in which a consecrated fire is lit in the home to chase away evil spirits.
Dabholkar rejects the charge that the bill is anti-religion.
"In the whole of the bill, there's not a single word about God or religion.
Nothing like that. The Indian constitution allows freedom of worship and
nobody can take that away," he said.
"This is about fraudulent and exploitative practices."
For Edamaruku, whose organisation seeks to debunk superstition and promote
scientific reasoning, a new India-wide law against charlatans is vital to build on
the great strides made by the country in recent years.
Continued belief in superstitions and black magic "will hinder India's
development," he said. "A countrywide law is needed.
We need to fight
against ignorance."
...So, WHY AREN'T WE
ALLOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST
The IGNORANCE of RELIGIONS
that ARE FLOODING INTO AUSTRALIA...
true lilly wrote:Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen
Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen
10:36AM
AAP
LEGAL advice has ruled out
the offshore processing
of asylum seekers
in PNG and Nauru,
Immigration Minister says.
Immigration Minister Chris Bowen
says he will release the Solicitor-General's report today.
The Daily Telegraph
IMMIGRATION Minister Chris Bowen
says the Solicitor-General has ruled out the offshore processing of
asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea and Nauru as a result of the High
Court decision last week.
He has told the ABC's Insiders program that he will release the Solicitor-General's report later today.
"What that advice tells us is that not only is the Government's declaration
of Malaysia invalid, obviously under the High Court decision, but also
minister (Philip) Ruddock's declarations of Nauru and PNG should also
held to be invalid," Mr Bowen said.
"And that the Solicitor-General and two other senior counsel can have no confidence
that an arrangement with PNG or Nauru is possible under existing law as a
result of this judgment.''
Mr Bowen said the report would shape the Government's future decision making.
"Frankly, it should also inform Mr Abbott's decision because he has incorrectly
stated that there's no implication for Nauru under this judgment and that it simply untrue."<u>
Related CoverageHe said the Government needed to work through the options, one of which could be amending the Migration Act.</u>
- Offshore processing ruled out - Minister Herald Sun, 44 minutes ago
- Legal advice rejects Nauru, PNG solutions The Australian, 1 hour ago
- Abbott puts Nauru deal to Gillard The Australian, 1 day ago
- Multiple disaster for Gillard The Australian, 1 day ago
- All at sea The Australian, 1 day ago
"Clearly the High Court has interpreted the Migration Act in this way and it
would be open to the Parliament to change the Migration Act to deal with
how the HIgh Court has interpreted it and that's one of the options
that would be available.
"Quite
clearly under all the legal advice, if Mr Abbott wanted to go down the
Nauru option he would need legislative change. He would need it on
several bases.
"And what is very clear from the High Court judgment is you could not send
unaccompanied minors in any workable way to Nauru or anywhere else.
That's a significant change."
More to come...
...'reads' like, 'MORE FOREIGN young MEN to COME...
...and We CAN'T STOP THEM...under current law...'
...child soldiers at 12, 14, 17...
COMMITTED TO SPREADING ISLAM...
...still 'minors' when they get here,
where we are, NOT ALLOWED,
By UN PANDERING Law, to
Re-educate them to Understanding,
OUR Nations, Christian Based Ways...
The rise of Middle Eastern crime in Australia
Former NSW detective Tim Priest was one of the front-line cops
who lead the war against crime in the drug-ridden streets of Cabramatta.
Yet he found himself waging his biggest battle not against the drug gangs
but against the very organisation he worked for.
Eventually, he could stand it no longer and spoke out
about the politics and bureaucratic bungling,
chronic lack of resources and crazy policy decisions
that seem endemic to the New South Wales Police Service.
For this, he was labelled a 'whistleblower' and ultimately
railroaded out of the force.
Parliamentary enquiries subsequently proved that
Tim Priest had spoken the truth and,
perhaps more shockingly,
thatwhat the newspapers reveal
is merely the tip of the iceberg.
Tim Priest teamed up with academic Richard Basham
to publish a book, To Protect and to Serve.
It is available at all bookstores.
It is required reading for every person
who is concerned about crime in New South Wales
and why the police are afraid of the ethnic gangs.
This article was first published in the January 2004 issue of Quadrant.
It is re-published here with the permission of Tim Priest.
Download a printable version (pdf file 308 Kb)
http://www.australian-news.com.au/Tim_Priest.htm
true lilly wrote:Shootings turn quiet streets into a war zone
Nick O'Malley, Nick Ralston
September 3, 2011
Families are being forced to move out as
drive-by attacks create neighbourhoods of fear, write Nick O'Malley
and Nick Ralston.
The family had fled Afghanistan through Iran five years
ago and built a new life in Sydney. Asieh had finished school at St
Marys and done well. She was studying for a medical science exam when,
about 10 o'clock on June 30, the gunshots broke the night.
It wasn't the first time.
Shots had been fired in Price Street, Merrylands, in May. When the Herald
visited this week, a ''for rent'' sign was on the wooden fence at the
front of Asieh's house. Furniture was on the lawn awaiting removal.
Asieh wouldn't be photographed, nor did she want her full name published.
''You don't expect it to happen in a country like this,'' she said.
Next door, her neighbour, a short woman aged 68 with a worn and friendly face, was watering her olive trees.
She wouldn't be named or photographed either. She seemed resigned to violence in the street.
''I've been here 50 years, I raised my boys here, I'm close to my church, I don't want to go. I don't know what to do.''
She pointed across the road to a new two-storey home.
''Look there, a nice family, two kids, they just built their house and they want to sell it, but no one will buy.''
At night she rolls steel shutters over her front windows.
''I know the bullets can come through but it feels better.''
She is looking forward to summer, when it stays light longer.
People on Price Street are reluctant to use names, but
they know why their street is being shot up. Their neighbour is Wahiba
Ibrahim, the matriarch of the Ibrahim family, which has been the target
in a series of shootings across Sydney over the past 15 months.
The Ryde home of her daughter, Armani Stelio, was
peppered in a drive-by attack in November and two months later there
was a shooting outside Wahiba Ibrahim's Merrylands home.
The shootings followed a series of tattoo parlour
attacks, drive-by shootings and brawls that were believed to be related
to a feud between the gang Notorious, which is associated with the
Ibrahim family, and the Comanchero Motorcycle Club. But police believe
some of the recent drive-by shootings were carried out by members of the
Hells Angels.
Asieh and her parents don't care who is pulling the trigger.
Ten minutes away at Greenacre a mower roars at the back
of a fibro house while a tired-looking woman wearing an apron and
holding a Barbie doll politely but firmly asks to be left alone.
Last Monday night about a dozen shots were fired back
and forth between a pair of cars out the front.
A police media release described the two bullets that slammed into the family home as ''stray''. Little comfort.
Across the road, two doors down live another couple. She is 89, he is 91. They are happy to talk, but will not be named.
They were in their living room when the gunfire started.
''I thought it was firecrackers, but he said it was
guns,'' she says, pointing to her husband, who was about to head off to
the shops. Police have since arrested three people.
Drive-by shootings were not a part of Sydney's crime
culture until the late 1990s, says the former assistant NSW police
commissioner Clive Small.
He says they are a tactic often used by Middle Eastern
crime gangs, whose members often come from cultures where gun ownership
and use is far more common than in Australia.
There were 60 drive-by shootings in Sydney last year, and
70 in 2009. But some local government areas have been suffering
disproportionately.
Since 2007 there have been 29 in Bankstown, 43 in Fairfield and 24 in Auburn.
Each time a thug in a car opens fire they not only
spread fear through a community, they put innocent lives at risk, Small
says.
Bob Knight, 66, was driving his truck past a KFC car park
on Milperra Road when a shootout erupted between rival gangs in June
2009.
He was hit in the head by a ''stray'' bullet and died in his truck cabin.
Arrests tend to slow the number of shootings, Small says, but gangs fill vacuums and the shooting soon breaks out again.
He believes public gun play is a sign of an immature criminal.
''Sadly, it is only going to go away when they get more professional at their business.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/shootings-turn-quiet-streets-into-a-war-zone-20110902-1jq2f.html#ixzz1WrneTimF
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true lilly Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:49 pm
Pratibha Devisingh Patil
Pratibha Devisingh Patil
is the 12th and current President
of the Republic of India
and first woman to hold the office.
She was sworn in as President of India
on 25 July 2007,
succeeding Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam
and after beating her rival
Bhairon Singh Shekhawat.
Patil claims to have
spoken to the spirit of the deceased leader (Baba Lekhraj)
at their headquarters in Mount Abu, Rajasthan.
"Dadiji ke shareer mein baba aye ...
Maine unse baat ki (Baba entered Devi’s body
and he communicated to me through her),"
she said on TV camera.
Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
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President of the Republic of India
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President of the Republic of India
Patil
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Main article: Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank
Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank was a cooperative bank
set up by Patil in 1973 to empower women.
The license for it to operate as a bank
was revoked in 2003
by the Reserve Bank of India
for alleged financial irregularities.
Among the irregularities listed
were the loans policy of the bank
and loan interest waivers given,
among others, to Patil's relatives.Patil was one of the chairpersons of the bank
and a number of her relatives were also directors.
Allegations of shielding her brother
on a murder charge
Main article: Vishram Patil murder case...
The lawyer Mahesh Jethmalani said that two CDs have surfaced
which contain incriminating material against Patil's brother.
The CDs contain footage of the elections
for the distict Congress presidentship in Jalgaon.
Jethmalani offered to place both CDs on record,
saying "These contain vital information
showing the political link behind the murder."
Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India
Incumbent
News for India Australia uranium
[quote="true lilly"]Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From..Mumbai
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
News for India Australia uranium
A testingtime for India - and Australia
Sydney Morning Herald - 1 day ago
India doesn't want or need
to rush in with orders for uranium.
... But post-colonial relations
between India and Australia
quickly became distant, ...
Sell India uranium,
minister says
www.theage.com.au/.../sell-india-uranium-minister-says-20110215-1av4i...
16 Feb 2011 –
''I accept [that our refusal to export uranium]
is a major concern
in an otherwise close strategic relationship
between Australia and India.'' ...
Australian Uranium to India:
Why Australia should sell it to India ...
yadusingh.wordpress.com/.../australian-uranium-to-indiawhy-austral... - Cached
20 Aug 2010 –
Previous Australian Gov led by PM John Howard
did many things to move Australia and India closer.
He declared that he would sell Uranium to ...
Australia's uranium policy
leaves India in the cold -
Radio Australia
www.radioaustralia.net.au/connectasia/stories/201003/s2854696.htm - Cached
24 Mar 2010 –
Australia has created more dismay
over it's attitude to India,
after
approving uranium sales to Russia
but...
India | uranium |
Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty |
Julie Bishop
www.smh.com.au/.../our-relationship-with-india-should-be-about-more-tha...
4 Feb 2010 –
It is not in Australia's national interest,
first because it sends a message to India that
Australia doesn't trust it
to be a recipient of our uranium, ...
Uranium backflip
The Australian
www.theaustralian.com.au/news/uranium.../story-e6frg72o-111111533363...
17 Jan 2008 –
Not selling to India is purely dogmatic. ...
Why Australia should
sell uranium to India -
On Line Opinion - 23/8 ...
www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6274 - Cached
23 Aug 2007 –
Australian refusal to supply uranium to India
would be a short-sighted move
to preserve a failed 60's nuclear order
and an affront to India.
Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
Pratibha Devisingh Patil
is the 12th and current President
of the Republic of India
and first woman to hold the office.
She was sworn in as President of India
on 25 July 2007,
succeeding Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam
and after beating her rival
Bhairon Singh Shekhawat.
Patil claims to have
spoken to the spirit of the deceased leader (Baba Lekhraj)
at their headquarters in Mount Abu, Rajasthan.
"Dadiji ke shareer mein baba aye ...
Maine unse baat ki (Baba entered Devi’s body
and he communicated to me through her),"
she said on TV camera.
Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India
true lilly wrote:Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From correspondents in Mumbai
From: AFP
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
CHANTING to cure snakebites, claiming to be a reincarnated spouse to
obtain sex, and charging for miracles could soon be banned by an Indian
state seeking to stop charlatans preying on the vulnerable.
Many superstitions are widely held in India but a campaign group
is lobbying hard for a new law in the western state of Maharashtra to
outlaw several exploitative activities, with penalties of fines or up
to seven years in jail.
But the push to pass the
Maharashtra Prevention
and Eradication of Human Sacrifice
and Other Inhuman, Evil Practices
and Black Magic Bill
has not received unanimous support.
Some Hindu nationalists fear the legislation seeks to move beyond the
excesses named in its title and might be used to curb cherished religious freedoms.
One right-wing association, the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, called it
"a draconian law targeting faith",
denounced its proponents as "atheists" and called for supporters to
lobby assembly members to oppose it and demand amendments.
Related CoverageThe founder and executive president of the Maharashtra Blind Faith
- Hazare urges anti-graft 'shocks' Herald Sun, 12 hours ago
- Mumbai police close on bombers Herald Sun, 16 Jul 2011
- Kangan TAFE to capitalise on India's demand for skills The Australian, 11 Jul 2011
- Bollywood takes on the censors The Australian, 17 Jun 2011
- India's Picasso blended old and new The Australian, 13 Jun 2011
Eradication Committee, which has been calling for a law for the last
two decades, is undeterred and hopes other states will follow suit.
"Superstitions are rampant all over India but at the moment there is
no law which stops this type of activity," Narendra Dabholkar said.
"There are laws against witchcraft but they're limited to a particular type of
witchcraft. This is much wider and more encompassing."
The draft law, supported by Maharashtra's ruling Congress-National Congress Party
coalition, aims to target "quacks and conmen" who exploit widely-held
superstitions and the ignorant, particularly in rural areas.
In May this year, police said they had foiled an alleged attempt
to abduct and kill a seven-year-old girl in a village near Nashik,
northwest of Mumbai, as part of a ritual to find hidden treasure.
And last year, a childless couple in a remote village some 675km east of Mumbai
were arrested for allegedly killing five young boys because a religious
mystic told them it would help the woman to conceive.
Practices to be banned by the proposed law include beating a person to exorcise
ghosts or making money by claiming to work miracles.
Treating a dog, snake or scorpion bite with chants instead of medicine, and
seeking sexual favours by claiming to be an incarnation of a holy spirit or
the client's wife or husband in a past life would also be proscribed.
Some critics, however, say the draft law does not go far enough and
has been watered down since it was first mooted way back in 1995
due to protests from pro-Hindu groups.
"In my opinion the bill that has ultimately come into Maharashtra suggests nothing
new. It doesn't give anything additional," said Sanal Edamaruku, president of
the Indian Rationalist Association.
Concerns about the draft law's impact on legitimate religious practices from Hindu
nationalist groups such as the Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have delayed its passing.
They say it could be used to prevent common Hindu rites like the "havan" ritual,
in which a consecrated fire is lit in the home to chase away evil spirits.
Dabholkar rejects the charge that the bill is anti-religion.
"In the whole of the bill, there's not a single word about God or religion.
Nothing like that. The Indian constitution allows freedom of worship and
nobody can take that away," he said.
"This is about fraudulent and exploitative practices."
For Edamaruku, whose organisation seeks to debunk superstition and promote
scientific reasoning, a new India-wide law against charlatans is vital to build on
the great strides made by the country in recent years.
Continued belief in superstitions and black magic "will hinder India's
development," he said. "A countrywide law is needed.
We need to fight
against ignorance."
...So, WHY AREN'T WE
ALLOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST
The IGNORANCE of RELIGIONS
that ARE FLOODING INTO AUSTRALIA...______________________________________________________true lilly wrote:Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen
Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen
10:36AM
AAP
LEGAL advice has ruled out
the offshore processing
of asylum seekers
in PNG and Nauru,
Immigration Minister says.
Immigration Minister Chris Bowen
says he will release the Solicitor-General's report today.
The Daily Telegraph
IMMIGRATION Minister Chris Bowen
says the Solicitor-General has ruled out the offshore processing of
asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea and Nauru as a result of the High
Court decision last week.
He has told the ABC's Insiders program that he will release the Solicitor-General's report later today.
"What that advice tells us is that not only is the Government's declaration
of Malaysia invalid, obviously under the High Court decision, but also
minister (Philip) Ruddock's declarations of Nauru and PNG should also
held to be invalid," Mr Bowen said.
"And that the Solicitor-General and two other senior counsel can have no confidence
that an arrangement with PNG or Nauru is possible under existing law as a
result of this judgment.''
Mr Bowen said the report would shape the Government's future decision making.
"Frankly, it should also inform Mr Abbott's decision because he has incorrectly
stated that there's no implication for Nauru under this judgment and that it simply untrue."<u>
Related CoverageHe said the Government needed to work through the options, one of which could be amending the Migration Act.</u>
- Offshore processing ruled out - Minister Herald Sun, 44 minutes ago
- Legal advice rejects Nauru, PNG solutions The Australian, 1 hour ago
- Abbott puts Nauru deal to Gillard The Australian, 1 day ago
- Multiple disaster for Gillard The Australian, 1 day ago
- All at sea The Australian, 1 day ago
"Clearly the High Court has interpreted the Migration Act in this way and it
would be open to the Parliament to change the Migration Act to deal with
how the HIgh Court has interpreted it and that's one of the options
that would be available.
"Quite
clearly under all the legal advice, if Mr Abbott wanted to go down the
Nauru option he would need legislative change. He would need it on
several bases.
"And what is very clear from the High Court judgment is you could not send
unaccompanied minors in any workable way to Nauru or anywhere else.
That's a significant change."
More to come...
____________________________________________________________
...'reads' like, 'MORE FOREIGN young MEN to COME...
...and We CAN'T STOP THEM...under current law...'
...child soldiers at 12, 14, 17...
COMMITTED TO SPREADING ISLAM...
...still 'minors' when they get here,
where we are, NOT ALLOWED,
By UN PANDERING Law, to
Re-educate them to Understanding,
OUR Nations, Christian Based Ways...
__________________________________________________________________
The rise of
Middle Eastern crime
in Australia
Former NSW detective Tim Priest was one of the front-line cops
who lead the war against crime in the drug-ridden streets of Cabramatta.
Yet he found himself waging his biggest battle not against the drug gangs
but against the very organisation he worked for.
Eventually, he could stand it no longer and spoke out
about the politics and bureaucratic bungling,
chronic lack of resources and crazy policy decisions
that seem endemic to the New South Wales Police Service.
For this, he was labelled a 'whistleblower' and ultimately
railroaded out of the force.
Parliamentary enquiries subsequently proved that
Tim Priest had spoken the truth and,
perhaps more shockingly,
thatwhat the newspapers reveal
is merely the tip of the iceberg.
Tim Priest teamed up with academic Richard Basham
to publish a book, To Protect and to Serve.
It is available at all bookstores.
It is required reading for every person
who is concerned about crime in New South Wales
and why the police are afraid of the ethnic gangs.
This article was first published in the January 2004 issue of Quadrant.
It is re-published here with the permission of Tim Priest.
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http://www.australian-news.com.au/Tim_Priest.htmtrue lilly wrote:Shootings turn quiet streets
into a war zone
Nick O'Malley, Nick Ralston
September 3, 2011
Families are being forced to move out as
drive-by attacks create neighbourhoods of fear,
write Nick O'Malley and Nick Ralston.
The family had fled Afghanistan through Iran five years
ago and built a new life in Sydney. Asieh had finished school at St
Marys and done well. She was studying for a medical science exam when,
about 10 o'clock on June 30, the gunshots broke the night.
It wasn't the first time.
Shots had been fired in Price Street, Merrylands, in May. When the Herald
visited this week, a ''for rent'' sign was on the wooden fence at the
front of Asieh's house. Furniture was on the lawn awaiting removal.
Asieh wouldn't be photographed, nor did she want her full name published.
''You don't expect it to happen in a country like this,'' she said.
Next door, her neighbour, a short woman aged 68 with a worn and friendly face, was watering her olive trees.
She wouldn't be named or photographed either. She seemed resigned to violence in the street.
''I've been here 50 years, I raised my boys here, I'm close to my church, I don't want to go. I don't know what to do.''
She pointed across the road to a new two-storey home.
''Look there, a nice family, two kids, they just built their house and they want to sell it, but no one will buy.''
At night she rolls steel shutters over her front windows.
''I know the bullets can come through but it feels better.''
She is looking forward to summer, when it stays light longer.
People on Price Street are reluctant to use names, but
they know why their street is being shot up. Their neighbour is Wahiba
Ibrahim, the matriarch of the Ibrahim family, which has been the target
in a series of shootings across Sydney over the past 15 months.
The Ryde home of her daughter, Armani Stelio, was
peppered in a drive-by attack in November and two months later there
was a shooting outside Wahiba Ibrahim's Merrylands home.
The shootings followed a series of tattoo parlour
attacks, drive-by shootings and brawls that were believed to be related
to a feud between the gang Notorious, which is associated with the
Ibrahim family, and the Comanchero Motorcycle Club. But police believe
some of the recent drive-by shootings were carried out by members of the
Hells Angels.
Asieh and her parents don't care who is pulling the trigger.
Ten minutes away at Greenacre a mower roars at the back
of a fibro house while a tired-looking woman wearing an apron and
holding a Barbie doll politely but firmly asks to be left alone.
Last Monday night about a dozen shots were fired back
and forth between a pair of cars out the front.
A police media release described the two bullets that slammed into the family home as ''stray''. Little comfort.
Across the road, two doors down live another couple. She is 89, he is 91. They are happy to talk, but will not be named.
They were in their living room when the gunfire started.
''I thought it was firecrackers, but he said it was
guns,'' she says, pointing to her husband, who was about to head off to
the shops. Police have since arrested three people.
Drive-by shootings were not a part of Sydney's crime
culture until the late 1990s, says the former assistant NSW police
commissioner Clive Small.
He says they are a tactic often used by Middle Eastern
crime gangs, whose members often come from cultures where gun ownership
and use is far more common than in Australia.
There were 60 drive-by shootings in Sydney last year, and
70 in 2009. But some local government areas have been suffering
disproportionately.
Since 2007 there have been 29 in Bankstown, 43 in Fairfield and 24 in Auburn.
Each time a thug in a car opens fire they not only
spread fear through a community, they put innocent lives at risk, Small
says.
Bob Knight, 66, was driving his truck past a KFC car park
on Milperra Road when a shootout erupted between rival gangs in June
2009.
He was hit in the head by a ''stray'' bullet and died in his truck cabin.
Arrests tend to slow the number of shootings, Small says, but gangs fill vacuums and the shooting soon breaks out again.
He believes public gun play is a sign of an immature criminal.
''Sadly, it is only going to go away when they get more professional at their business.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/shootings-turn-quiet-streets-into-a-war-zone-20110902-1jq2f.html#ixzz1WrneTimF
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Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India
Patil
Pratibha Women Cooperative Bank
Main article: Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank
Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank was a cooperative bank
set up by Patil in 1973 to empower women.
The license for it to operate as a bank
was revoked in 2003
by the Reserve Bank of India
for alleged financial irregularities.
Among the irregularities listed
were the loans policy of the bank
and loan interest waivers given,
among others, to Patil's relatives.Patil was one of the chairpersons of the bank
and a number of her relatives were also directors.
Allegations of shielding her brother
on a murder charge
Main article: Vishram Patil murder case...
The lawyer Mahesh Jethmalani said that two CDs have surfaced
which contain incriminating material against Patil's brother.
The CDs contain footage of the elections
for the distict Congress presidentship in Jalgaon.
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saying "These contain vital information
showing the political link behind the murder."
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Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India
Incumbent
News for India Australia uranium
[quote="true lilly"]Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From..Mumbai
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
News for India Australia uranium
A testingtime for India - and Australia
Sydney Morning Herald - 1 day ago
India doesn't want or need
to rush in with orders for uranium.
... But post-colonial relations
between India and Australia
quickly became distant, ...
Sell India uranium,
minister says
www.theage.com.au/.../sell-india-uranium-minister-says-20110215-1av4i...
16 Feb 2011 –
''I accept [that our refusal to export uranium]
is a major concern
in an otherwise close strategic relationship
between Australia and India.'' ...
Australian Uranium to India:
Why Australia should sell it to India ...
yadusingh.wordpress.com/.../australian-uranium-to-indiawhy-austral... - Cached
20 Aug 2010 –
Previous Australian Gov led by PM John Howard
did many things to move Australia and India closer.
He declared that he would sell Uranium to ...
Australia's uranium policy
leaves India in the cold -
Radio Australia
www.radioaustralia.net.au/connectasia/stories/201003/s2854696.htm - Cached
24 Mar 2010 –
Australia has created more dismay
over it's attitude to India,
after
approving uranium sales to Russia
but...
India | uranium |
Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty |
Julie Bishop
www.smh.com.au/.../our-relationship-with-india-should-be-about-more-tha...
4 Feb 2010 –
It is not in Australia's national interest,
first because it sends a message to India that
Australia doesn't trust it
to be a recipient of our uranium, ...
Uranium backflip
The Australian
www.theaustralian.com.au/news/uranium.../story-e6frg72o-111111533363...
17 Jan 2008 –
Not selling to India is purely dogmatic. ...
Why Australia should
sell uranium to India -
On Line Opinion - 23/8 ...
www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6274 - Cached
23 Aug 2007 –
Australian refusal to supply uranium to India
would be a short-sighted move
to preserve a failed 60's nuclear order
and an affront to India.
Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
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Death of anonymity online
Google and Facebook
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and ban pseudonyms.
How does it tie in?
I know, but why not ask the, ON LINE
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true lilly wrote:
Death of anonymity online
Google and Facebook
are trying to force people
to use their real names online
and ban pseudonyms.
How does it tie in?
I know, but why not ask the, ON LINE
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to explain it, to your face, in the real world...
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Re: Indian state mulls ban on black magic
true lilly Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:14 am
It really is sad, how many will and do fight,
to sell belief in patently ridiculous myths &
lies of man, and yet, how very few, will dare,
to even do their own private study of God's Word
and the physical laws of this world God created,
that God also told us would come to prove The Truth
of His Word, and Faithfulness of His Promises.
The best arguments for God are purely scientific
Perth Now, 18 Jul 2011
MODERN day defenders of orthodox Christianity, of any religion with a supernatural element, face a host of challenges.
Chief among them is the widespread assumption that science and religion are hopelessly incompatible.
In his best-selling book The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins asserts that “religion is now completely superseded by science”. It’s a familiar line. Religion, we’re told, is shadowy and
value-laden – an exercise in “blind faith”.
And the Bible says that the Earth was made 6,000 years ago in the course of seven days.
Anyone who believes that is crazy! These notions are deeply ingrained,
but they are fallacious. And they distort the true beliefs of most
Christians in Australia.
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Atheists shouldn't damn Bible with faint praise Perth Now, 23 May 2011
For a start, the accounts of Creation in the Book of Genesis cannot be read literally
and were not intended by their authors to be read literally. The Bible is not a
science textbook.
What the Bible teaches is that the Universe was conceived, and brought into being,
by God – and that, ever since, it has been sustained and monitored by God.
In using the term “God” I am content to adopt Richard Dawkins’ own definition: “A
supernatural creator that is … appropriate for us to worship”.
The Bible also teaches that Mankind (i.e., the species Homo sapiens)
occupies a special place in the Universe. We are not – to borrow a
phrase from Stephen Hawking – mere chemical scum on a moderate-sized
planet. Rather, in the poetic language of the Eighth Psalm, we are “a
little lower than the angels” and “crowned … with glory and honour”.
Dawkins said “Religion has been completely superseded by science”. Such
statements ought never to be equated with statements of scientific fact.
They are expressions of opinion. This point cannot be emphasised enough. Most of the greatest scientists down the ages – giants such as Galileo, Kepler
and Sir Isaac Newton – held radically different opinions, even if they based them
on different facts.
Today there are countless cutting-edge scientists who believe in God, some
extremely eminent men and women among them. To name just a couple:
astronomer Allan Sandage, generally credited with being the first person
accurately to estimate the age of the Universe, and biologist Francis S. Collins, Director of the Human Genome Project.
How can this be, if science and religion are so blatantly incompatible?
There’s a straightforward answer. Many of the discoveries of modern-day
science point towards – rather than away from – God’s existence. The
theistic case, far from being arrant nonsense, is intellectually honest
and reasonable. Provided it too is based on true facts.
The following propositions are generally accepted by a majority of scientists
worldwide in the pertinent fields.
First, science itself is predicated on a key assumption: that there is an objective order underlying Nature, which is ascertainable and explicable. (This, by the way, is a profoundly theistic notion, traceable to St Augustine.)
Second, the Universe had a finite beginning, about 13.7 billion years ago
(the so-called Big Bang).
Third, before the Big Bang, there was literally nothing. Shortly after the
Big Bang (the “singularity”) there was something, viz., the gigantic
quantities of matter and energy which constitute our still-expanding,
cooling Universe.
Time itself also came into being at the Big Bang. (Tellingly, until the mid-1960s,
the Big Bang theory was resisted by many scientists because of its obvious theological implications. Then the evidence for it became overwhelming.)
Fourth, there are four fundamental forces which govern the Universe: gravity,
electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. The absolute
and relative strengths of these forces have remained the same (or virtually so)
since the moment of the Big Bang.
Fifth, the values of the so-called Constants of Nature – pure numbers of huge
practical significance, such as the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron
(1/1836) – have also stayed the same throughout the history of the Universe.
Sixth, a crucial point, there could be no life anywhere in the Universe if the strength
of any of the four forces of Nature were even slightly different. So too if the values
of any of the Constants of Nature were not precisely as they are. Among many other
things, the carbon out of which we are all made could not have been generated inside stars.
This is the so-called Goldilocks Enigma (the title of one of Paul Davies’ best books). The central concept is that, like Goldilocks’ porridge, the Universe is “just right” for life.
Davies’ book is replete with stunning examples. For instance, the ratio of the mass of
the neutron to that of the proton is 1.00137841870. Without that slight deviation in
weight (the neutron is about 0.1 per cent heavier), there would be no atoms, no chemistry, no life.
Let’s take stock. The six propositions stated above are, as I’ve said,
relatively uncontroversial. And they have almost nothing to do with
evolutionary biology, the keystone of many an atheist’s arch. So far,
we’ve been in the realm of physics, chemistry and cosmology.
To turn, then, to evolutionary biology. Its ambit and significance are often
over-stated by both sides.
The likes of Dawkins would have us believe that evolution provides a
cast-iron refutation of every premise of theology. In the introduction
to his book The Blind Watchmaker, Dawkins tipped his hand explicitly.
He wrote that if he had lived before 1859 – when Darwin published
On the Origin of Species – he could not imagine having been an atheist.
On the flipside, some well-meaning Christians are intimidated by people
like Dawkins. They are tempted to contest established science, and quickly
get out of their depth. There’s no need.
Point number one:
Darwinian theory does not explain – nor purport to explain –
the existence of life. It is concerned with the process of diversification
of life once life exists.
The origin of life on Earth remains a
near-total mystery. It seems fairly well-established that the first
single-celled prokaryotes appeared about 3.85 million years ago.
But where did they come from? Exotic theories abound, but little can
be said with confidence. All life on Earth is based on DNA, yet DNA itself
is a staggeringly complex substance.
Point number two:
Darwinian evolutionary theory is often invoked to explain how all life
on Earth descended from one original “primitive” life-form. This is
supposed to have happened by a steady process of natural selection
acting upon slight, successive, random mutations of DNA occurring
periodically in individual organisms.
Unquestionably, some biological change is caused that way. But whether –
and, if so, how – such a process accounts for the rich diversity of all life on Earth
is highly contentious in the relevant scientific communities. (See
Professor Kim Sterelny’s excellent books Dawkins vs. Gould and What Is Biodiversity?)
Point number three:
the uniquely human faculties of cognition and conscience are, to put it mildly,
hard to explain in a purely Darwinian framework. Likewise religious faith,
our uncanny sense of “self”, and free will.
Take free will. Only a very few die-hard determinists are prepared to assert that it’s
an illusion. To the question: “Can any of us ever do anything other than what we
end up doing?” their answer is, in substance, “No”.
Whatever the ambit of Darwinian theory may ultimately prove to be, one thing can
be stated with certainty. Known evolutionary processes are – in and of themselves –
another suggestive aspect of the Goldilocks Enigma. They “work”, but only just.
One of the twentieth century’s foremost atheists,
Carl Sagan, summarised the position this way: Evolution works through
mutation and selection… If the mutation rate is too high, we lose the
inheritance of four billion years of painstaking evolution. If it is
too low, new varieties will not be available to adapt to some future
change in the environment. The evolution of life requires a more or
less precise balance between mutation and selection. When that balance
is achieved, remarkable adaptations occur.
To me, this is one of the most under-discussed aspects of the whole God Debate.
It is another stunning example of fine-tuning in Nature.
What follows from all this? I venture the following:
The Universe might not have existed at all – but it does. Why? And how?
If the Universe is just a one-off fluke, it ought to be chaotic, featureless and dead.
For, as British cosmologist John D. Barrow has observed, “there are so many
more ways to be disorderly than to be orderly that one would have expected
a universe pulled out of a hat at random to be a very asymmetrical and disorderly one”.
Very few scientists, whatever their religious views, contend that the Universe is a one-off fluke.
So the critical issue arises.
It becomes necessary to account for the overwhelming appearance of design
in the Universe – in the laws of physics, chemistry and biology, to say nothing of
other phenomena there’s been insufficient space to touch upon here.
It’s also necessary to account for the uniqueness of Mankind as a sentient,
conscience-possessing species, capable of mulling over the deepest
questions of ethics and philosophy. To date, only two logical possibilities
have been advanced to explain this state of affairs:
The first is that our Universe is one of many, many gazillions of other
universes – perhaps an infinite number of them. Each operates under
slightly different laws. If that is so, the argument runs, the ordered
complexity of our Universe should not seem surprising to us. We just
happen to be in one of the few universes (perhaps the only one) whose
laws sustain life.
This is the so-called Multiverse Theory. It is the fallback position of, among others,
Richard Dawkins. Does it convince you?
It doesn’t convince me, for a number of reasons. For one thing, it flouts
Occam’s razor, otherwise known as “the principle of parsinomy”.
This is the idea that, in framing an explanation for any given phenomenon,
all hypotheses and assumptions which are not strictly necessary should
be eliminated. In short: keep it simple, stupid!
Atheists are fond of invoking Occam’s razor for their own purposes,
but many seem unaware of its relevance to this critical issue.
Dawkins claims in The God Delusion that the Multiverse Theory, for which
there is no objective evidence at all, is “simple” and only “apparently extravagant” –
“if each one of those universes is simple in its fundamental laws”.
But that is a gigantic “if” (how could anyone in our Universe ever possibly know?),
and in any case begs the question where the fundamental laws of all of those gazillions
of other universes came from – a question that, on Dawkins’ thesis, must necessarily
have a naturalistic answer.
It’s hard to see how any such naturalistic answer could reasonably be described as simple. According to some variants of the Multiverse Theory, many or even most of the universes
in it must be fakes; you and I may well be “brains in a vat”, a la The Matrix.
If the number of universes is infinite, there must also exist an infinite number of “freak observers”, intelligent beings like us who strictly speaking ought not to exist, according to
the laws of the relevant universe, but do! You and I could be such freak observers, who
only imagine that we perceive “reality”.
To borrow a favourite expression of my mother’s:
it all sounds like a load of old codswallop.
That brings me to the other possible explanation for the organised
complexity of the Universe. It’s the one which has been instinctively
favoured by billions of people down the centuries: the Universe must
have been created, with Mankind in view, by a supernatural being of
unfathomable wisdom and power. To wit: God.
In the words of the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah:
He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world
by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.
Roy Williams is a writer for the Bible Society of Australia’s King James Version 400th Anniversary celebrations.
Quotes you won't find in the Good Book
Bryan Patterson
From: Sunday Herald Sun
June 19, 2011
12:00AM
Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden from book America by Theodore de Bry (1590). Supplied
OFTEN, the Bible doesn't say what many people think it does.
God works in mysterious ways.
Yes, it seems He does, but it's not a phrase found in the Bible. It comes from an 18th-century hymn by William Cowper.
How many wise men visited the infant Jesus? Three? Possibly not. No number
is given in the Bible, but three specific gifts are detailed.
There's no mention of Adam and Eve specifically eating an apple, or of Jonah being
swallowed by a whale, of Mary Magdalene being a prostitute, or of Noah leading the
animals on to the Ark two by two.
Jesus did not feed only 5000 with the loaves and fish. The Bible says that besides the
5000 men, there were women and children who also ate.
There is no mention anywhere in the Bible of the Seven Deadly Sins, that being good
will get you into Heaven, that praying to saints will get us anywhere, that we should
practise moderation in all things, that a fool and his money are soon parted, that charity begins at home or that cleanliness is next to godliness.
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The words pope, Catholic, Anglican, Pentacostal and atheist appear
nowhere in the Bible. Neither does the word Bible. The word Christian
appears only three times.
A US survey in 2000 found that 75 per cent of Americans were convinced that
the phrase "God helps those who help themselves" is from the Bible. It isn't.
It is commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who possibly pinched it from
one of Aesop's Fables from the 6th century BC.
Another version of the phrase, "Trust in God but tie your camel",
is attributed to Mohammed.
As a concept, it is bad theology. For one thing, it reflects a lack of
compassion that can lead us to believe that those who are less fortunate
have done something wrong in order to deserve God's lack of compassion.
Perhaps more troubling is the delusion that if we are richer than our neighbours,
God is smiling on us.
Christianity teaches the opposite - that we are, in essence, all lost and that
God redeems and heals those who cry out for His help. God helps those who
realise they need grace.
Sociologists say fear of unknown powers, mysterious events, hunger and
especially eventual death are natural horrors to man. Collectively, we are afraid
of almost everything.
Instead of natural harmony, we see disorder, chaos and extinction.
Religion has often not been the antidote to fear. Some religions have
consciously and unconsciously, verbally and non-verbally, taught fear of
nature (particularly our own), fear of our bodies, fear of others and
fear of the world.
Religions built on fear do injustice to the mystery of faith. It is difficult to learn wisdom
when you lack basic trust in a loving creator. It should not be this way. It is a matter of realising our own inadequacy and the importance of being healed to regain faith.
This reconciliation ought to be a function of religion.
Pistuein, the original Greek word most often used in the New Testament to convey
"faith", also means "trust". Jesus said faith, or trust, had the power to heal the sick;
even to move mountains. But we can't do it by ourselves.
A Melbourne childcare centre seems to have found a way to keep toddlers still.
Lila, Carla, Harper, Jordyn, Carly and Josephine do their yoga.
Picture: Rob Baird
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Woman died after 'Bible bashing'
5:09PM
Meagan Dillon
A DISPUTE that led to a woman being
smoked in a fire ceremony
then bashed to death
started over a bible, a court has heard.
September 09, 2011
5:09PM
AN ARGUMENT between three women that
led to one woman being smoked in a ceremonial fire circle before being
bashed to death started over a bible, a court heard yesterday.
Witness Gracie Bading Mamarika told Darwin Magistrates Court that
two women - Susie and Glenys Wurrawilya - started hitting the
47-year-old woman with sticks when she refused to go get a bible from a
nearby house.
The two women have been charged over her death.
But relative Roderick Mamarika, 40, yesterday faced a committal hearing charged with the woman's murder.
He was one of four people charged over the brutal bashing at Salt Lake Outstation, Groote Eylandt, in November last year.
Ms
Mamarika told Magistrate Dick Wallace that the Wurrawilya women used
sticks to strike the woman in the knee and head when she wouldn't get a
bible."Susie wanted to read the Bible," she said. "That's why she got angry."
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Quotes you won't find in the Good Book Herald Sun, 18 Jun 2011
She said Mr Mamarika then forced her to put dead grass and branches
in a circle around the injured woman before he lit it on fire.
His
lawyer Jon Tippett QC asked Ms Mamarika if the Wurrawilya women were
reciting from the Bible when the woman was being smoked.
She said they didn't have it on them. "(They) told us if we helped her they would kill us," she said.
The hearing will continue next week with one more witness to give evidence.[/quote]
[quote="true lilly"]Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From correspondents in Mumbai
From: AFP
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
CHANTING to cure snakebites, claiming to be a reincarnated spouse to
obtain sex, and charging for miracles could soon be banned by an Indian
state seeking to stop charlatans preying on the vulnerable.
Many superstitions are widely held in India but a campaign group
is lobbying hard for a new law in the western state of Maharashtra to
outlaw several exploitative activities, with penalties of fines or up
to seven years in jail.
But the push to pass the
Maharashtra Prevention
and Eradication of Human Sacrifice
and Other Inhuman, Evil Practices
and Black Magic Bill
has not received unanimous support.
Some Hindu nationalists fear the legislation seeks to move beyond the
excesses named in its title and might be used to curb cherished religious freedoms.
One right-wing association, the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, called it
"a draconian law targeting faith",
denounced its proponents as "atheists" and called for supporters to
lobby assembly members to oppose it and demand amendments.
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Eradication Committee, which has been calling for a law for the last
two decades, is undeterred and hopes other states will follow suit.
"Superstitions are rampant all over India but at the moment there is
no law which stops this type of activity," Narendra Dabholkar said.
"There are laws against witchcraft but they're limited to a particular type of
witchcraft. This is much wider and more encompassing."
The draft law, supported by Maharashtra's ruling Congress-National Congress Party
coalition, aims to target "quacks and conmen" who exploit widely-held
superstitions and the ignorant, particularly in rural areas.
In May this year, police said they had foiled an alleged attempt
to abduct and kill a seven-year-old girl in a village near Nashik,
northwest of Mumbai, as part of a ritual to find hidden treasure.
And last year, a childless couple in a remote village some 675km east of Mumbai
were arrested for allegedly killing five young boys because a religious
mystic told them it would help the woman to conceive.
Practices to be banned by the proposed law include beating a person to exorcise
ghosts or making money by claiming to work miracles.
Treating a dog, snake or scorpion bite with chants instead of medicine, and
seeking sexual favours by claiming to be an incarnation of a holy spirit or
the client's wife or husband in a past life would also be proscribed.
Some critics, however, say the draft law does not go far enough and
has been watered down since it was first mooted way back in 1995
due to protests from pro-Hindu groups.
"In my opinion the bill that has ultimately come into Maharashtra suggests nothing
new. It doesn't give anything additional," said Sanal Edamaruku, president of
the Indian Rationalist Association.
Concerns about the draft law's impact on legitimate religious practices from Hindu
nationalist groups such as the Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have delayed its passing.
They say it could be used to prevent common Hindu rites like the "havan" ritual,
in which a consecrated fire is lit in the home to chase away evil spirits.
Dabholkar rejects the charge that the bill is anti-religion.
"In the whole of the bill, there's not a single word about God or religion.
Nothing like that. The Indian constitution allows freedom of worship and
nobody can take that away," he said.
"This is about fraudulent and exploitative practices."
For Edamaruku, whose organisation seeks to debunk superstition and promote
scientific reasoning, a new India-wide law against charlatans is vital to build on
the great strides made by the country in recent years.
Continued belief in superstitions and black magic "will hinder India's
development," he said. "A countrywide law is needed.
We need to fight
against ignorance."
...So, WHY AREN'T WE
ALLOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST
The IGNORANCE of RELIGIONS
that ARE FLOODING INTO AUSTRALIA...
Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India
Incumbent
Patil
Pratibha Women Cooperative Bank
Main article: Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank
Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank was a cooperative bank
set up by Patil in 1973 to empower women.
The license for it to operate as a bank
was revoked in 2003
by the Reserve Bank of India
for alleged financial irregularities.
Among the irregularities listed
were the loans policy of the bank
and loan interest waivers given,
among others, to Patil's relatives.Patil was one of the chairpersons of the bank
and a number of her relatives were also directors.
Allegations of shielding her brother
on a murder charge
Main article: Vishram Patil murder case...
The lawyer Mahesh Jethmalani said that two CDs have surfaced
which contain incriminating material against Patil's brother.
The CDs contain footage of the elections
for the distict Congress presidentship in Jalgaon.
Jethmalani offered to place both CDs on record,
saying "These contain vital information
showing the political link behind the murder."
News for India Australia uranium
to sell belief in patently ridiculous myths &
lies of man, and yet, how very few, will dare,
to even do their own private study of God's Word
and the physical laws of this world God created,
that God also told us would come to prove The Truth
of His Word, and Faithfulness of His Promises.
The best arguments for God are purely scientific
Perth Now, 18 Jul 2011
MODERN day defenders of orthodox Christianity, of any religion with a supernatural element, face a host of challenges.
Chief among them is the widespread assumption that science and religion are hopelessly incompatible.
In his best-selling book The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins asserts that “religion is now completely superseded by science”. It’s a familiar line. Religion, we’re told, is shadowy and
value-laden – an exercise in “blind faith”.
And the Bible says that the Earth was made 6,000 years ago in the course of seven days.
Anyone who believes that is crazy! These notions are deeply ingrained,
but they are fallacious. And they distort the true beliefs of most
Christians in Australia.
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Atheists shouldn't damn Bible with faint praise Perth Now, 23 May 2011
For a start, the accounts of Creation in the Book of Genesis cannot be read literally
and were not intended by their authors to be read literally. The Bible is not a
science textbook.
What the Bible teaches is that the Universe was conceived, and brought into being,
by God – and that, ever since, it has been sustained and monitored by God.
In using the term “God” I am content to adopt Richard Dawkins’ own definition: “A
supernatural creator that is … appropriate for us to worship”.
The Bible also teaches that Mankind (i.e., the species Homo sapiens)
occupies a special place in the Universe. We are not – to borrow a
phrase from Stephen Hawking – mere chemical scum on a moderate-sized
planet. Rather, in the poetic language of the Eighth Psalm, we are “a
little lower than the angels” and “crowned … with glory and honour”.
Dawkins said “Religion has been completely superseded by science”. Such
statements ought never to be equated with statements of scientific fact.
They are expressions of opinion. This point cannot be emphasised enough. Most of the greatest scientists down the ages – giants such as Galileo, Kepler
and Sir Isaac Newton – held radically different opinions, even if they based them
on different facts.
Today there are countless cutting-edge scientists who believe in God, some
extremely eminent men and women among them. To name just a couple:
astronomer Allan Sandage, generally credited with being the first person
accurately to estimate the age of the Universe, and biologist Francis S. Collins, Director of the Human Genome Project.
How can this be, if science and religion are so blatantly incompatible?
There’s a straightforward answer. Many of the discoveries of modern-day
science point towards – rather than away from – God’s existence. The
theistic case, far from being arrant nonsense, is intellectually honest
and reasonable. Provided it too is based on true facts.
The following propositions are generally accepted by a majority of scientists
worldwide in the pertinent fields.
First, science itself is predicated on a key assumption: that there is an objective order underlying Nature, which is ascertainable and explicable. (This, by the way, is a profoundly theistic notion, traceable to St Augustine.)
Second, the Universe had a finite beginning, about 13.7 billion years ago
(the so-called Big Bang).
Third, before the Big Bang, there was literally nothing. Shortly after the
Big Bang (the “singularity”) there was something, viz., the gigantic
quantities of matter and energy which constitute our still-expanding,
cooling Universe.
Time itself also came into being at the Big Bang. (Tellingly, until the mid-1960s,
the Big Bang theory was resisted by many scientists because of its obvious theological implications. Then the evidence for it became overwhelming.)
Fourth, there are four fundamental forces which govern the Universe: gravity,
electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. The absolute
and relative strengths of these forces have remained the same (or virtually so)
since the moment of the Big Bang.
Fifth, the values of the so-called Constants of Nature – pure numbers of huge
practical significance, such as the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron
(1/1836) – have also stayed the same throughout the history of the Universe.
Sixth, a crucial point, there could be no life anywhere in the Universe if the strength
of any of the four forces of Nature were even slightly different. So too if the values
of any of the Constants of Nature were not precisely as they are. Among many other
things, the carbon out of which we are all made could not have been generated inside stars.
This is the so-called Goldilocks Enigma (the title of one of Paul Davies’ best books). The central concept is that, like Goldilocks’ porridge, the Universe is “just right” for life.
Davies’ book is replete with stunning examples. For instance, the ratio of the mass of
the neutron to that of the proton is 1.00137841870. Without that slight deviation in
weight (the neutron is about 0.1 per cent heavier), there would be no atoms, no chemistry, no life.
Let’s take stock. The six propositions stated above are, as I’ve said,
relatively uncontroversial. And they have almost nothing to do with
evolutionary biology, the keystone of many an atheist’s arch. So far,
we’ve been in the realm of physics, chemistry and cosmology.
To turn, then, to evolutionary biology. Its ambit and significance are often
over-stated by both sides.
The likes of Dawkins would have us believe that evolution provides a
cast-iron refutation of every premise of theology. In the introduction
to his book The Blind Watchmaker, Dawkins tipped his hand explicitly.
He wrote that if he had lived before 1859 – when Darwin published
On the Origin of Species – he could not imagine having been an atheist.
On the flipside, some well-meaning Christians are intimidated by people
like Dawkins. They are tempted to contest established science, and quickly
get out of their depth. There’s no need.
Point number one:
Darwinian theory does not explain – nor purport to explain –
the existence of life. It is concerned with the process of diversification
of life once life exists.
The origin of life on Earth remains a
near-total mystery. It seems fairly well-established that the first
single-celled prokaryotes appeared about 3.85 million years ago.
But where did they come from? Exotic theories abound, but little can
be said with confidence. All life on Earth is based on DNA, yet DNA itself
is a staggeringly complex substance.
Point number two:
Darwinian evolutionary theory is often invoked to explain how all life
on Earth descended from one original “primitive” life-form. This is
supposed to have happened by a steady process of natural selection
acting upon slight, successive, random mutations of DNA occurring
periodically in individual organisms.
Unquestionably, some biological change is caused that way. But whether –
and, if so, how – such a process accounts for the rich diversity of all life on Earth
is highly contentious in the relevant scientific communities. (See
Professor Kim Sterelny’s excellent books Dawkins vs. Gould and What Is Biodiversity?)
Point number three:
the uniquely human faculties of cognition and conscience are, to put it mildly,
hard to explain in a purely Darwinian framework. Likewise religious faith,
our uncanny sense of “self”, and free will.
Take free will. Only a very few die-hard determinists are prepared to assert that it’s
an illusion. To the question: “Can any of us ever do anything other than what we
end up doing?” their answer is, in substance, “No”.
Whatever the ambit of Darwinian theory may ultimately prove to be, one thing can
be stated with certainty. Known evolutionary processes are – in and of themselves –
another suggestive aspect of the Goldilocks Enigma. They “work”, but only just.
One of the twentieth century’s foremost atheists,
Carl Sagan, summarised the position this way: Evolution works through
mutation and selection… If the mutation rate is too high, we lose the
inheritance of four billion years of painstaking evolution. If it is
too low, new varieties will not be available to adapt to some future
change in the environment. The evolution of life requires a more or
less precise balance between mutation and selection. When that balance
is achieved, remarkable adaptations occur.
To me, this is one of the most under-discussed aspects of the whole God Debate.
It is another stunning example of fine-tuning in Nature.
What follows from all this? I venture the following:
The Universe might not have existed at all – but it does. Why? And how?
If the Universe is just a one-off fluke, it ought to be chaotic, featureless and dead.
For, as British cosmologist John D. Barrow has observed, “there are so many
more ways to be disorderly than to be orderly that one would have expected
a universe pulled out of a hat at random to be a very asymmetrical and disorderly one”.
Very few scientists, whatever their religious views, contend that the Universe is a one-off fluke.
So the critical issue arises.
It becomes necessary to account for the overwhelming appearance of design
in the Universe – in the laws of physics, chemistry and biology, to say nothing of
other phenomena there’s been insufficient space to touch upon here.
It’s also necessary to account for the uniqueness of Mankind as a sentient,
conscience-possessing species, capable of mulling over the deepest
questions of ethics and philosophy. To date, only two logical possibilities
have been advanced to explain this state of affairs:
The first is that our Universe is one of many, many gazillions of other
universes – perhaps an infinite number of them. Each operates under
slightly different laws. If that is so, the argument runs, the ordered
complexity of our Universe should not seem surprising to us. We just
happen to be in one of the few universes (perhaps the only one) whose
laws sustain life.
This is the so-called Multiverse Theory. It is the fallback position of, among others,
Richard Dawkins. Does it convince you?
It doesn’t convince me, for a number of reasons. For one thing, it flouts
Occam’s razor, otherwise known as “the principle of parsinomy”.
This is the idea that, in framing an explanation for any given phenomenon,
all hypotheses and assumptions which are not strictly necessary should
be eliminated. In short: keep it simple, stupid!
Atheists are fond of invoking Occam’s razor for their own purposes,
but many seem unaware of its relevance to this critical issue.
Dawkins claims in The God Delusion that the Multiverse Theory, for which
there is no objective evidence at all, is “simple” and only “apparently extravagant” –
“if each one of those universes is simple in its fundamental laws”.
But that is a gigantic “if” (how could anyone in our Universe ever possibly know?),
and in any case begs the question where the fundamental laws of all of those gazillions
of other universes came from – a question that, on Dawkins’ thesis, must necessarily
have a naturalistic answer.
It’s hard to see how any such naturalistic answer could reasonably be described as simple. According to some variants of the Multiverse Theory, many or even most of the universes
in it must be fakes; you and I may well be “brains in a vat”, a la The Matrix.
If the number of universes is infinite, there must also exist an infinite number of “freak observers”, intelligent beings like us who strictly speaking ought not to exist, according to
the laws of the relevant universe, but do! You and I could be such freak observers, who
only imagine that we perceive “reality”.
To borrow a favourite expression of my mother’s:
it all sounds like a load of old codswallop.
That brings me to the other possible explanation for the organised
complexity of the Universe. It’s the one which has been instinctively
favoured by billions of people down the centuries: the Universe must
have been created, with Mankind in view, by a supernatural being of
unfathomable wisdom and power. To wit: God.
In the words of the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah:
He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world
by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.
Roy Williams is a writer for the Bible Society of Australia’s King James Version 400th Anniversary celebrations.
Quotes you won't find in the Good Book
Bryan Patterson
From: Sunday Herald Sun
June 19, 2011
12:00AM
Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden from book America by Theodore de Bry (1590). Supplied
OFTEN, the Bible doesn't say what many people think it does.
God works in mysterious ways.
Yes, it seems He does, but it's not a phrase found in the Bible. It comes from an 18th-century hymn by William Cowper.
How many wise men visited the infant Jesus? Three? Possibly not. No number
is given in the Bible, but three specific gifts are detailed.
There's no mention of Adam and Eve specifically eating an apple, or of Jonah being
swallowed by a whale, of Mary Magdalene being a prostitute, or of Noah leading the
animals on to the Ark two by two.
Jesus did not feed only 5000 with the loaves and fish. The Bible says that besides the
5000 men, there were women and children who also ate.
There is no mention anywhere in the Bible of the Seven Deadly Sins, that being good
will get you into Heaven, that praying to saints will get us anywhere, that we should
practise moderation in all things, that a fool and his money are soon parted, that charity begins at home or that cleanliness is next to godliness.
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The words pope, Catholic, Anglican, Pentacostal and atheist appear
nowhere in the Bible. Neither does the word Bible. The word Christian
appears only three times.
A US survey in 2000 found that 75 per cent of Americans were convinced that
the phrase "God helps those who help themselves" is from the Bible. It isn't.
It is commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who possibly pinched it from
one of Aesop's Fables from the 6th century BC.
Another version of the phrase, "Trust in God but tie your camel",
is attributed to Mohammed.
As a concept, it is bad theology. For one thing, it reflects a lack of
compassion that can lead us to believe that those who are less fortunate
have done something wrong in order to deserve God's lack of compassion.
Perhaps more troubling is the delusion that if we are richer than our neighbours,
God is smiling on us.
Christianity teaches the opposite - that we are, in essence, all lost and that
God redeems and heals those who cry out for His help. God helps those who
realise they need grace.
Sociologists say fear of unknown powers, mysterious events, hunger and
especially eventual death are natural horrors to man. Collectively, we are afraid
of almost everything.
Instead of natural harmony, we see disorder, chaos and extinction.
Religion has often not been the antidote to fear. Some religions have
consciously and unconsciously, verbally and non-verbally, taught fear of
nature (particularly our own), fear of our bodies, fear of others and
fear of the world.
Religions built on fear do injustice to the mystery of faith. It is difficult to learn wisdom
when you lack basic trust in a loving creator. It should not be this way. It is a matter of realising our own inadequacy and the importance of being healed to regain faith.
This reconciliation ought to be a function of religion.
Pistuein, the original Greek word most often used in the New Testament to convey
"faith", also means "trust". Jesus said faith, or trust, had the power to heal the sick;
even to move mountains. But we can't do it by ourselves.
A Melbourne childcare centre seems to have found a way to keep toddlers still.
Lila, Carla, Harper, Jordyn, Carly and Josephine do their yoga.
Picture: Rob Baird
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Woman died after 'Bible bashing'
5:09PM
Meagan Dillon
A DISPUTE that led to a woman being
smoked in a fire ceremony
then bashed to death
started over a bible, a court has heard.
September 09, 2011
5:09PM
AN ARGUMENT between three women that
led to one woman being smoked in a ceremonial fire circle before being
bashed to death started over a bible, a court heard yesterday.
Witness Gracie Bading Mamarika told Darwin Magistrates Court that
two women - Susie and Glenys Wurrawilya - started hitting the
47-year-old woman with sticks when she refused to go get a bible from a
nearby house.
The two women have been charged over her death.
But relative Roderick Mamarika, 40, yesterday faced a committal hearing charged with the woman's murder.
He was one of four people charged over the brutal bashing at Salt Lake Outstation, Groote Eylandt, in November last year.
Ms
Mamarika told Magistrate Dick Wallace that the Wurrawilya women used
sticks to strike the woman in the knee and head when she wouldn't get a
bible."Susie wanted to read the Bible," she said. "That's why she got angry."
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Quotes you won't find in the Good Book Herald Sun, 18 Jun 2011
She said Mr Mamarika then forced her to put dead grass and branches
in a circle around the injured woman before he lit it on fire.
His
lawyer Jon Tippett QC asked Ms Mamarika if the Wurrawilya women were
reciting from the Bible when the woman was being smoked.
She said they didn't have it on them. "(They) told us if we helped her they would kill us," she said.
The hearing will continue next week with one more witness to give evidence.[/quote]
[quote="true lilly"]Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From correspondents in Mumbai
From: AFP
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
CHANTING to cure snakebites, claiming to be a reincarnated spouse to
obtain sex, and charging for miracles could soon be banned by an Indian
state seeking to stop charlatans preying on the vulnerable.
Many superstitions are widely held in India but a campaign group
is lobbying hard for a new law in the western state of Maharashtra to
outlaw several exploitative activities, with penalties of fines or up
to seven years in jail.
But the push to pass the
Maharashtra Prevention
and Eradication of Human Sacrifice
and Other Inhuman, Evil Practices
and Black Magic Bill
has not received unanimous support.
Some Hindu nationalists fear the legislation seeks to move beyond the
excesses named in its title and might be used to curb cherished religious freedoms.
One right-wing association, the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, called it
"a draconian law targeting faith",
denounced its proponents as "atheists" and called for supporters to
lobby assembly members to oppose it and demand amendments.
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Eradication Committee, which has been calling for a law for the last
two decades, is undeterred and hopes other states will follow suit.
"Superstitions are rampant all over India but at the moment there is
no law which stops this type of activity," Narendra Dabholkar said.
"There are laws against witchcraft but they're limited to a particular type of
witchcraft. This is much wider and more encompassing."
The draft law, supported by Maharashtra's ruling Congress-National Congress Party
coalition, aims to target "quacks and conmen" who exploit widely-held
superstitions and the ignorant, particularly in rural areas.
In May this year, police said they had foiled an alleged attempt
to abduct and kill a seven-year-old girl in a village near Nashik,
northwest of Mumbai, as part of a ritual to find hidden treasure.
And last year, a childless couple in a remote village some 675km east of Mumbai
were arrested for allegedly killing five young boys because a religious
mystic told them it would help the woman to conceive.
Practices to be banned by the proposed law include beating a person to exorcise
ghosts or making money by claiming to work miracles.
Treating a dog, snake or scorpion bite with chants instead of medicine, and
seeking sexual favours by claiming to be an incarnation of a holy spirit or
the client's wife or husband in a past life would also be proscribed.
Some critics, however, say the draft law does not go far enough and
has been watered down since it was first mooted way back in 1995
due to protests from pro-Hindu groups.
"In my opinion the bill that has ultimately come into Maharashtra suggests nothing
new. It doesn't give anything additional," said Sanal Edamaruku, president of
the Indian Rationalist Association.
Concerns about the draft law's impact on legitimate religious practices from Hindu
nationalist groups such as the Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have delayed its passing.
They say it could be used to prevent common Hindu rites like the "havan" ritual,
in which a consecrated fire is lit in the home to chase away evil spirits.
Dabholkar rejects the charge that the bill is anti-religion.
"In the whole of the bill, there's not a single word about God or religion.
Nothing like that. The Indian constitution allows freedom of worship and
nobody can take that away," he said.
"This is about fraudulent and exploitative practices."
For Edamaruku, whose organisation seeks to debunk superstition and promote
scientific reasoning, a new India-wide law against charlatans is vital to build on
the great strides made by the country in recent years.
Continued belief in superstitions and black magic "will hinder India's
development," he said. "A countrywide law is needed.
We need to fight
against ignorance."
...So, WHY AREN'T WE
ALLOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST
The IGNORANCE of RELIGIONS
that ARE FLOODING INTO AUSTRALIA...
true lilly wrote:Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen
Nauru, PNG options illegal - Bowen
10:36AM
AAP
LEGAL advice has ruled out
the offshore processing
of asylum seekers
in PNG and Nauru,
Immigration Minister says.
______________________________________________________true lilly wrote:Shootings turn quiet streets
into a war zone
Nick O'Malley, Nick Ralston
September 3, 2011
Families are being forced to move out as
drive-by attacks create neighbourhoods of fear,
write Nick O'Malley and Nick Ralston.
The family had fled Afghanistan through Iran five years
ago and built a new life in Sydney. Asieh had finished school at St
Marys and done well. She was studying for a medical science exam when,
about 10 o'clock on June 30, the gunshots broke the night.
It wasn't the first time.
Shots had been fired in Price Street, Merrylands, in May. When the Herald
visited this week, a ''for rent'' sign was on the wooden fence at the
front of Asieh's house. Furniture was on the lawn awaiting removal.
Asieh wouldn't be photographed, nor did she want her full name published.
''You don't expect it to happen in a country like this,'' she said.
Next door, her neighbour, a short woman aged 68 with a worn and friendly face, was watering her olive trees.
She wouldn't be named or photographed either. She seemed resigned to violence in the street.
''I've been here 50 years, I raised my boys here, I'm close to my church, I don't want to go. I don't know what to do.''
She pointed across the road to a new two-storey home.
''Look there, a nice family, two kids, they just built their house and they want to sell it, but no one will buy.''
At night she rolls steel shutters over her front windows.
''I know the bullets can come through but it feels better.''
She is looking forward to summer, when it stays light longer.
People on Price Street are reluctant to use names, but
they know why their street is being shot up. Their neighbour is Wahiba
Ibrahim, the matriarch of the Ibrahim family, which has been the target
in a series of shootings across Sydney over the past 15 months.
The Ryde home of her daughter, Armani Stelio, was
peppered in a drive-by attack in November and two months later there
was a shooting outside Wahiba Ibrahim's Merrylands home.
The shootings followed a series of tattoo parlour
attacks, drive-by shootings and brawls that were believed to be related
to a feud between the gang Notorious, which is associated with the
Ibrahim family, and the Comanchero Motorcycle Club. But police believe
some of the recent drive-by shootings were carried out by members of the
Hells Angels.
Asieh and her parents don't care who is pulling the trigger.
Ten minutes away at Greenacre a mower roars at the back
of a fibro house while a tired-looking woman wearing an apron and
holding a Barbie doll politely but firmly asks to be left alone.
Last Monday night about a dozen shots were fired back
and forth between a pair of cars out the front.
A police media release described the two bullets that slammed into the family home as ''stray''. Little comfort.
Across the road, two doors down live another couple. She is 89, he is 91. They are happy to talk, but will not be named.
They were in their living room when the gunfire started.
''I thought it was firecrackers, but he said it was
guns,'' she says, pointing to her husband, who was about to head off to
the shops. Police have since arrested three people.
Drive-by shootings were not a part of Sydney's crime
culture until the late 1990s, says the former assistant NSW police
commissioner Clive Small.
He says they are a tactic often used by Middle Eastern
crime gangs, whose members often come from cultures where gun ownership
and use is far more common than in Australia.
There were 60 drive-by shootings in Sydney last year, and
70 in 2009. But some local government areas have been suffering
disproportionately.
Since 2007 there have been 29 in Bankstown, 43 in Fairfield and 24 in Auburn.
Each time a thug in a car opens fire they not only
spread fear through a community, they put innocent lives at risk, Small
says.
Bob Knight, 66, was driving his truck past a KFC car park
on Milperra Road when a shootout erupted between rival gangs in June
2009.
He was hit in the head by a ''stray'' bullet and died in his truck cabin.
Arrests tend to slow the number of shootings, Small says, but gangs fill vacuums and the shooting soon breaks out again.
He believes public gun play is a sign of an immature criminal.
''Sadly, it is only going to go away when they get more professional at their business.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/shootings-turn-quiet-streets-into-a-war-zone-20110902-1jq2f.html#ixzz1WrneTimF
Presidential styles of
Pratibha Patil
Her Excellency Pratibha Patil,
President of the Republic of India
Incumbent
Patil
Pratibha Women Cooperative Bank
Main article: Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank
Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank was a cooperative bank
set up by Patil in 1973 to empower women.
The license for it to operate as a bank
was revoked in 2003
by the Reserve Bank of India
for alleged financial irregularities.
Among the irregularities listed
were the loans policy of the bank
and loan interest waivers given,
among others, to Patil's relatives.Patil was one of the chairpersons of the bank
and a number of her relatives were also directors.
Allegations of shielding her brother
on a murder charge
Main article: Vishram Patil murder case...
The lawyer Mahesh Jethmalani said that two CDs have surfaced
which contain incriminating material against Patil's brother.
The CDs contain footage of the elections
for the distict Congress presidentship in Jalgaon.
Jethmalani offered to place both CDs on record,
saying "These contain vital information
showing the political link behind the murder."
News for India Australia uranium
true lilly wrote:Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
From..Mumbai
September 04, 2011 12:21PM
News for India Australia uranium
A testingtime for India - and Australia
Sydney Morning Herald - 1 day ago
India doesn't want or need
to rush in with orders for uranium.
... But post-colonial relations
between India and Australia
quickly became distant, ...
Sell India uranium,
minister says
www.theage.com.au/.../sell-india-uranium-minister-says-20110215-1av4i...
16 Feb 2011 –
''I accept [that our refusal to export uranium]
is a major concern
in an otherwise close strategic relationship
between Australia and India.'' ...
Why Australia should
sell uranium to India -
On Line Opinion - 23/8 ...
www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6274 - Cached
23 Aug 2007 –
Australian refusal to supply uranium to India
would be a short-sighted move
to preserve a failed 60's nuclear order
and an affront to India.
Indian state
mulls ban on black magic
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Re: Indian state mulls ban on black magic
true lilly Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:45 am
true lilly wrote:
So best to Listen & Hear,
God's Songs that don't change from
meanings to MEANings...
psalms
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=%22psalms%22&t=KJV
PSALMS: 1 to 150
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=1&t=KJV&q=psalms#
And what's changed since starting this post...
The First, Editor's Pick...
The Coonhound is GONE...
but when I found "IT" again,
I was sent HERE:
Rally Australia sand sculpture
WATCH this amazing time lapse sequence
as four sand sculptors turn 35 tonnes of sand
into a memorable piece of art,
which is on display at Coffs Harbour’s
Park Beach Plaza throughout Rally Australia.
http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2122684406/Rally-Australia-sand-sculpture
and the First Editor's Pick is...
Editor's picks
You're getting warmer
PICTURES: Tens of thousands of revellers
flock to the annual Burning Man Festival
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/galleries/gallery-fn2wzol2-1111120396247?page=1true lilly wrote:...it's not what you say,
but,
the way that you say it...
SEE! UNDERSTAND!
That The Word's have DIFFERENT,
DESCRIPTIVE, ROOT MEANINGS,
depending on The TIME, PLACE
and CONTEXT they are used,
and apply!
e.g.
time 3117
time 4150
time 6256
Now these [are]
the generations 8435
of the sons 1121 of Noah 5146,
Shem 8035, Ham 2526, and Japheth 3315:
and unto them were sons 1121 born 3205
after 310 the flood 3999.
And unto Eber 5677 were born 3205
two 8147 sons 1121:
the name 8034 of one 259
[was] Peleg 6389;
for in his days 3117
was the earth 776 divided 6385;
and his brother's 251 name 8034
[was] Joktan 3355.
These [are] the families 4940
of the sons 1121 of Noah 5146,
after their generations 8435,
in their nations 1471:
and by these were
the nations 1471 divided 6504
in the earth 776
after 310 the flood 3999.
earth 776 divided 6385
nations 1471 divided 6504
after 310 the flood 3999.
the generations 8435
of the sons 1121 of Noah 5146,
born 3205 after 310 the flood 3999.
Peleg 6389; for in his days 3117
was the earth 776 divided 6385;
MANY GENERATIONS AFTER NOAH,
YET "YOU" ALL LIE
that NOAH
"was after The Land Divided"
and
"landed on the YET UNFORMED,
Mount Ararat".
"YOU" ALL DENY THE WORD OF GOD,
to FORCE BELIEF IN "YOUR" FALSE,
INSANELY TOO SHORT,
"out of Egypt", "time-line".
SEE, UNDERSTAND, that man's words,
like man, ARE LIMITED, whereas,
GOD IS LIMITLESS, like
THE FULL, DEEP, DESCRIPTIVE
ROOT MEANINGS of
EACH WORD of GOD'S WORD.
This 2088 [is] the book 5612
of the generations 8435 of Adam 121.
In the day 3117
that God 430 created 1254 man 120,
in the likeness 1823 of God 430
made 6213 he him;
Male 2145 and female 5347
created 1254 he them;
and blessed 1288 them,
and called 7121
their name 8034 Adam 120,
in the day 3117
when they were created 1254
And Adam 121 lived 2421
an hundred 3967 and thirty 7970
years 8141, and begat 3205
[a son] in his own likeness 1823,
after his image 6754;
and called 7121 his name 8034 Seth 8352:
And all the days 3117 that Adam 121 lived 2425
were nine 8672 hundred 3967 8141
and thirty 7970 years 8141: and he died 4191 .
And all the days 3117 of Lamech 3929
were seven 7651 hundred 3967 8141
seventy 7657 and seven 7651 years 8141:
And Noah 5146 was
five 2568 hundred 3967
years 8141 old 1121:
and Noah 5146 begat 3205 Shem 8035,
Ham 2526, and Japheth 3315.
And all the days 3117 of Seth 8352
were nine 8672 hundred 3967 8141
and twelve 6240 8147 years 8141:
and he died 4191 .
And Enos 583 lived 2421 after 310
he begat 3205 Cainan 7018 eight 8083
hundred 3967 8141 and fifteen 6240 2568
years 8141, and begat 3205 sons 1121
and daughters 1323:
And Cainan 7018 lived 2421
after 310 he begat 3205 Mahalaleel 4111
eight 8083 hundred 3967 8141 and forty 705
years 8141, and begat 3205 sons 1121
and daughters 1323:
And all the days 3117 of Cainan 7018
were nine 8672 hundred 3967 8141
and ten 6235 years 8141: and he died 4191 .
And Mahalaleel 4111 lived 2421 sixty 8346 8141
and five 2568 years 8141, and begat 3205 Jared 3382:
And Methuselah 4968 lived 2421
after 310 he begat 3205 Lamech 3929
seven 7651 hundred 3967 8141 eighty 8084
and two 8147 years 8141,
and begat 3205 sons 1121 and daughters 1323:
By these were the isles 339
of the Gentiles 1471
divided in 6504 their lands 776;
every one 376 after his tongue 3956,
after their families 4940,
in their nations 1471.
Adam 121
Adam 120
Male 2145
female 5347
begat 3205
generations 8435
old 1121
sons 1121
daughters 1323
day 3117
years 8141
hundred 3967 8141
hundred 3967
one 259
two 8147
five 2568
seven 7651
eight 8083
nine 8672
ten 6235
twelve 6240 8147
fifteen 6240 2568
forty 705
sixty 8346 8141
seventy 7657
eighty 8084
one 259
every one 376
name 8034
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=name&t=KJV&sf=5
TIME
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=time&t=KJV&sf=5
TIMES
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=times&t=KJV&sf=5
SEE! UNDERSTAND!
"they" ALL ATTACK GOD
FROM EVERY SIDE by
DENYING GOD'S WORD,
to Worship The Beastly,
TWISTED, LYING
words, names, and
NUMBers Games of man!
true lilly- Posts : 6205
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