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Post  MoMo Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:36 pm

Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n03a7cLf0M

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Refuting lillys Lies #s 1 & 2 thumbs up

http://geography.about.com/od/lists/a/largecontinent.htm

Largest Continents in Area
1. Asia - 17,139,445 square miles (44,391,162 square km)
2. Africa - 11,677,239 square miles (30,244,049 square km)
3. North America - 9,361,791 square miles (24,247,039 square km)
4. South America - 6,880,706 square miles (17,821,029 square km)
5. Antarctica - About 5,500,000 square miles (14,245,000 square km)
6. Europe - 3,997,929 square miles (10,354,636 square km)

7. Australia - 2,967,909 square miles (7,686,884 square km)


Australia is the Smallest, the Runt Continent. thumbs up

The map of Europe lilly superimposes on Australia is NOT the whole continent. Compare the Reality as compared to her lie. thumbs up

Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia Europe

Well it is obvious you are Anti-Israel and Antisemitic. Let's see your source for your Area Sizes you Posted. I'm calling your Bluff. Again thumbs up

Does anyone disagree that Australia is the SMALLEST/Runt Continent? thumbs up

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Post  Billy Ruben Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:28 pm

do you think this should be a sticky???? lol!
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Post  MoMo Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:20 am

Billy Ruben wrote:do you think this should be a sticky???? lol!

You're right again billyboy! Great idea!!!! thumbs up

I call lilly on her Bullshit and she vamooses. thumbs up

Once again Truth & Justice prevails!!!! thumbs up

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lFPyzTfjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UwpqaJ9wxw&feature=related


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Post  Billy Ruben Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:21 pm

el kabong wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:do you think this should be a sticky???? lol!

You're right again billyboy! Great idea!!!! thumbs up

I call lilly on her Bullshit and she vamooses. thumbs up

Once again Truth & Justice prevails!!!! thumbs up

Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia El-ka-bong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lFPyzTfjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UwpqaJ9wxw&feature=related

You got to repost that picture El Kabong...that chicky babe lifting up her shirt....Nice. thumbs up sunny boobies
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Post  true lilly Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:57 pm

So, 'el kabong' as you so luuvvv to mis-use the fairy-tale's of men,
to sell the deadly lies of your 'god'...again and again and again,
all over the bloody World Wide Web of Deception, I shall re-post
a few short posts here, to go just a little way towards redressing
the imbalance of how those fairy-tale's are used:


Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:UPDATE:

It's not a mother,it's an 18 year old girl/teeny lady.The police suspect,but
not confirming,that someone entered the premises and attached the
device to her,It goes around the neck (Necklacing) and to another device
around the waist.They have'nt figured out the trigger mechanism,
but she's alone,with the police and everyone else in the family is safe.

Criminal muslim elements suspected,but not confirmed.

It's a suspected extortion. Money. All about money, the usual motive.

But thanks, for letting me know, (via text), that you wanted me to know,
of another 'necklacing'. Rolling Eyes

Speaking of money; do you know that what "tintin" sent his other dumb bunny
(to stick around and try to finish me off)
, was only what he would regularly 'tip'
when eating out (most meals), around $AUS 1000.00 a pop, give or take a few 100;
roughly $AUS6600.00 all up.

Sad thing is, he (the dumb bunny), claimed to have wanted a simple, family life,
and he could have had that, he knew and admitted it often, but chose to believe,
he would be, 'better rewarded' by destroying me for 'them'.


That dumb bunny has since lost, well, just about everything...house, land, super...

And that's what happens when you give your balls to women to crush, instead of having the balls to be a man for your woman.

Oh and, you did see "tintin's" Maserati, that he boasts of driving, and you are aware of his
Jet Setting, International, Opera going life style?
Simply pointing out why I call his dumb bunnies, dumb bunnies.

He 'funds' them
with his waiters tips, and they believe he's 'invested' in 'looking
after them', after the shit, misses the fan, and gets dumped straight on
his dumb bunnies. Rolling Eyes

So do you get it yet?
Why tintin, literally throwing thousands of Euros at me
to buy a washing machine, while telling me, I was 'too important to be
wasting my time and brain' (doing the laundry by hand a 4 in the
morning), had me gather them all back up, hand them back, and remind him he was a guest, not some, on-line sting...CAN you get it?

I don't find shame in honest work. I'm happy to do productive work. And
as all the productive work I do around my home, gets destroyed, I take
solace in doing work for others, that won't get undone. And if I'm
offered payment, I want no more than the job was worth.
Likewise, if a job is done for me, and I feel they ask too little, I'll at least top
it up with bountiful praise in the the ears of others, if not also a
cuppa, beer, good feed or whatever else I can honestly offer.

See, Freedom,
to me, is not money, but not being indebted in such a way that I can't
say, 'No', if asked to cross a line, that would make me someone I'm not.

And, contrary to sod's advice, I am not someone who "makes contacts".
Granted, there are those who's position requires them to make and
maintain diplomatic associations, but not being such a one, it's
all the more reason I don't abuse my friendships with such people, by expecting or asking 'favours' of them...let alone envying the wealth or positions they hold,
that without fail, draws countless user 'friends'.

In such 'unbalanced' relationships, all I do have to offer to redress the balance,
is a genuine friendship; one that, 'cares for', not, 'takes from'....

...and why I'm bothering to give a dissertation on the acts and attitudes that constitute a friendship, to this audience Rolling Eyes, well, I can't even recall how I got onto the topic...but I did, and it's an important topic, so I'll leave it here for others to ponder...and even challenge me on if they feel the need. Smile ...ah, that's right, "tintin",the champion of false friendship: Too poor in spirit, to 'buy' one little woman with so little of what the worldly desire, that even the povs mock her; 'mean' enough to go to the expense and trouble of
dropping the threat of, a 'burning necklace', on her, for caring to show him, the blessings of the repentant and faithful.

Surely, there must be some out there, who can see that;
a job with a car and fuel card, is not worth the job of,
being a false friend of good people, for, that false friend, "tintin".

Ok,this is long and you're wanting me to comment on events I've only heard one
side of,let alone,I'm not personally involved with Tintin to be sound of
judgement,but hell,saying you're to important to do hand washing in the
morning and buys a washing machine for you,that's a pretty nice
thing,look,people hurt people,are you sure it's Tintin and not someone
closer to home.
I'll mod this post later,when I sufficiently wake up,have'nt even had a tea yet....just a cigarette.
At the risk of having you lot go off again, with false claims of,
"'me', making it 'about me'", when that's what all of you keep doing Rolling Eyes,
I will again state, that yes, I do know just how very 'close to home', my attackers are,
and of their International NETworking Partners.

Do you really think I wasn't aware of why my ex, suddenly, had to, fly to Sydney,
before "tintin" flew in; and even lent me his car to drive "tintin" around, something
he would never do when our, HIS and My, kids, NEEDED me to drive for them,
and he was too busy NETworking to care to bother to help them himself?

The husband who was 'chosen' by those even closer, to claim to share my faith,
to ensure my future family would suffer, for having a mother who loves, and
can't blame or deny God.

And that is, The 'class', of people my on-line attackers, serve...a very, very sad truth,
that may yet have some redeeming value, if any of those family members, stop fighting
The Creator God (by attacking those who love Him), and accept The Amazing Grace with which the Truly Repentant Are BLESSED.

Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia Lilliput
Swift gives the location of Lilliput and Blefuscu as Latitude 30°2′S, to the northwest of Van Diemen's Land.
Because this area is actually occupied by Australia,


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And you're laughing at those who still refuse to see,
that The Conspiracy behind all conspiracies, is to hide
the real world evidences of the saving truth of God's Word,
from those who would not join God's Enemies (who KNOW
HE EXISTS and CAN'T LIE), while 'they've' plotted to try to,
'make Him a liar', by trying to take the land He described
and promised to His Faithful...???...that's 'funny' to you?

That's sad to me.

But, it is also something God warned us watch for, from the beginning.
Yet more evidence of the faithfulness of God's Word.
As He also told us He would hide and raise His own watchmen, Princes and Kings
to keep the reminders of the truth of His Word until the time God's Kingdom is,
re-established on this earth, from where the healing waters will flow, to heal,

not only Israel and Judah, but all the remaining of the Nations.


Which is very good news, for those with the ears to hear it, and,
the character of Spirit to repent of their worldly lusts, and willingly serve,
The Perfectly Just, Creator of Life.


REVELATIONS 22:2
In 1722 the midst 3319 of the street 4113 of it 846, and 2532 on either 2532 side 1782 1782 of the river 4215, [was there] the tree 3586 of life 2222, which bare 4160 twelve 1427 [manner of] fruits 2590, [and] yielded 591 her 846 fruit 2590 every 2596 1538 1520 month 3376: and 2532 the leaves 5444 of the tree 3586 [were] for 1519 the healing 2322 of the nations 1484.


ISAIAH 33:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top

1
Woe to you who are despoiling, without you yourself being despoiled,
and to you who are dealing treacherously, without [others] having dealt
treacherously with you! As soon as you have finished as a despoiler,
you will be despoiled. As soon as you have done with dealing treacherously,
they will deal treacherously with you.

2
O Jehovah, show us favor. In you we have hoped.
Become our arm every morning, yes, our salvation in the time of distress.
3
At the sound of turmoil peoples have fled.
At your arising nations have been dispersed.
4
And the spoil of YOU people will actually be gathered [like] the cockroaches
when gathering in, like the onrush of locust swarms that is rushing against one.
5
Jehovah will certainly be put on high, for he is residing in the height.
He must fill Zion with justice and righteousness.
6
And the trustworthiness of your times must prove
to be a wealth of salvations—wisdom and knowledge,
the fear of Jehovah, which is his treasure.

7
Look! Their very heroes have cried out in the street;
the very messengers of peace will weep bitterly.
8
The highways have been made desolate; the one
passing over the path has ceased. He has broken the covenant;
he has contemned the cities; he has taken no account of mortal man.
9
The land has gone mourning, has withered away.
Leb´a·non has become abashed; it has moldered.
Shar´on has become like the desert plain;
and Ba´shan and Car´mel are shaking off [their leaves].

10
“Now I will rise up,” says Jehovah, “now I will exalt myself;
now I will lift myself up.
11
YOU people conceive dried grass; YOU will give birth to stubble.
YOUR own spirit, as a fire, will eat YOU up.
12
And peoples must become as the burnings of lime.
As thorns cut away, they will be set ablaze even with fire.
13
Hear, YOU men who are far away, what I must do!
And know, YOU who are nearby, my mightiness.
14
In Zion the sinners have come to be in dread;
shivering has grabbed hold of the apostates:
‘Who of us can reside for any time with a devouring fire?
Who of us can reside for any time with long-lasting conflagrations?’

15
“There is one who is walking in continual righteousness and
speaking what is upright, who is rejecting the unjust gain from frauds,
who is shaking his hands clear from taking hold on a bribe,
who is stopping up his ear from listening to bloodshed, and who
is closing his eyes so as not to see what is bad.
16
He is the one that will reside on the heights themselves;
his secure height will be craggy places difficult to approach.
His own bread will certainly be given [him];
his water supply will be unfailing.”

17
A king in his handsomeness is what your eyes will behold;
they will see a land far away.
18
Your own heart will comment in low tones on a frightful thing:
“Where is the secretary? Where is the one that does the paying out?
Where is the one counting the towers?”
19
No insolent people will you see, a people too deep in language to listen to,
of a stammering tongue without [your] understanding.
20
Behold Zion, the town of our festal occasions!
Your own eyes will see Jerusalem an undisturbed abiding place,
a tent that no one will pack up. Never will its tent pins be pulled out,
and none of its ropes will be torn in two.
21
But there the Majestic One, Jehovah, will be for us a place of rivers, of wide canals.
On it no galley fleet will go, and no majestic ship will pass over it.
22
For Jehovah is our Judge, Jehovah is our Statute-giver,
Jehovah is our King; he himself will save us.

23
Your ropes must hang loose; their mast they will not hold firmly erect;
they have not spread a sail.
At that time even spoil in abundance will have to be divided up;
the lame ones themselves will actually take a big plunder.
24
And no resident will say: “I am sick.”
The people that are dwelling in [the land] will be those pardoned for their error.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top
(and please, do care to study the full, root, descriptive, poetic meanings,
of every blessing Word
Very Happy )

P.S. constantly repeating your same, proven lies, in other threads, without showing my detailed posts that prove you to be a very bad liar, then attacking me for replying with
those detailed posts (to only a few of, your spammed, filthy, lying posts), for 'spamming'
Rolling Eyes ,
is stupid. It shows you to be far to panicked and desperate, to possess any credibility,
what so ever.
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Post  true lilly Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:24 pm

Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia 823521 dixie d, for this wonderfully timed post, in reply to
the fearful desperation of "tintin", "cori" and Co:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2995
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2994
dixie d wrote:04-08-2011, 05:31 AM #29942
Any links to Cube (film)



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Post  MoMo Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:05 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
You got to repost that picture El Kabong...that chicky babe lifting up her shirt....Nice. thumbs up sunny boobies

El Kabong Strikes again!!!

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Post  MoMo Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:16 am

true lilly wrote:So, 'el kabong' as you so luuvvv to mis-use the fairy-tale's of men,
to sell the deadly lies of your 'god'...again and again and again,
all over the bloody World Wide Web of Deception, I shall re-post
a few short posts here, to go just a little way towards redressing
the imbalance of how those fairy-tale's are used:


idiotic gibberish.on and on and on and on ad nauseum............... rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin

P.S. constantly repeating your same, proven lies, in other threads, without showing my detailed posts that prove you to be a very bad liar, then attacking me for replying with
those detailed posts (to only a few of, your spammed, filthy, lying posts), for 'spamming' [/color] Rolling Eyes ,
is stupid. It shows you to be far to panicked and desperate, to possess any credibility,
what so ever.
rolling pin

FYI: Everything I Post is vetted, sourced, peer-reviewed Scholarship....the difference between you and I is I don't Post my own made up myths/opinions, you do...... thumbs up

For instance:

http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_faith.htm

Public Revelation, so no selfserving asshole can lie and claim special knowledge. Like you do.. thumbs up

Moreover, why would G-d establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Of course not. And that's why Judaism is based squarely on national revelation.

* * *

WHY DON'T OTHER NATIONS MAKE THE CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION?

Of the 15,000 known religions in recorded human history, how many stake the foundation of their belief on the idea that G-d spoke to their entire nation?

One. Judaism.

Isn't that strange? If a national revelation is the best way to go, why has no other nation ever tried it?

The answer is that this is one lie you can never get away with.

Human events fall into two basic categories: legend and history. Legend - though it may be true - is unverifiable, due to a lack of eyewitnesses. History, on the other hand, is verifiable because of many witnesses...................If someone claims "G-d spoke to me," then other people have a choice to believe the claim or not. Some people will choose to believe the claim - and from there could start a whole new religion.

But if someone claims that "G-d spoke to all of you," he'll never get away with that if it didn't really happen. Because if an event never happened to someone, you surely cannot convince him that it happened to him!

And that's exactly why no other religion in history has ever made the claim of national revelation.
...................The revelation at Sinai is the foundation of Jewish evidence to know that the Torah is true. It is what sets Judaism apart from the claims of every other religion. It is what makes Judaism's claim a logical one (since it makes sense for God to have revealed His instructions in this manner), and it is what gives only Judaism the possibility of historical verifiability. This has been the basis of Jewish loyalty to the Torah for the past 3,300 years.....................
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I've refuted your Bogus 'Claim' that liars and deceivers/False Prophets have replaced Israel and the Jews. It wasn't that difficult either since you have proven you are clueless asto what the Bible Teaches. thumbs up

What Is Replacement Theology?http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm
Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.


The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.


Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.


Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.


The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)


http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).


You are Anti Torah, Anti Messaih:

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/
TACKLING CHRISTIAN ATTITUDES ABOUT TORAH!
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/?page=tackling_christian_attitudes

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/?page=tackling_christian_attitudes_2&type=2


http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/?page=shankbones&type=8

In Exodus 12:10 Yahuwah commanded that all true Passover lamb eaters were to leave no Passover lamb remaining. Leftovers were forbidden. The lamb either had to be eaten or burned. Both eating and burning are acts of consumption. As a foreshadow of things to come, Yahuwah had asked that the fullness of the Lamb (the Word) be dispensed to his followers.

Psalms 119 verses 89 and 160, Habbakuk 3:6 and countless other passages, declare the eternality of Torah. Despite the truth of Torah’s eternal applications, the church has refused to dispense it in its entirety and instead declared it null, void and abolished! This foolhardy theology was basically designed to punish the Jews for supposed deicide (the death of god). By putting itself in Yahuwah’s place of authority, the church labeled anyone who taught Torah and its precepts as heretical legalistic Judaizers. By so doing, the church withheld over two-thirds of Yahuwah’s full biblical revelation from its followers. Church doctrine has kept traditional Jews away from Messiah’s claims and dispensed leftover shank bones to Messiah’s children by limiting Bible-believers to the study of the New Covenant, instead of feeding them the full counsel of Yahuwah (both Testaments), symbolized by the entire Passover lamb.

As one looks back over 2,000 years of bloodstained church history, many perversions of biblical truth and ungodly manifestations of lawlessness are evident. The early church fathers reacted intensely to anything Jewish and began dispensing leftover shank bones of the teachings of the Passover lamb to its adherents by avoiding the teachings of Tanach (Old Covenant).

Are the eternally binding principles and instructions of Torah just for the First Covenant Israel? Does the Brit Chadashah (New Covenant) annul and replace Torah? Not according to Messiah. According to the very words of Yahshua, He taught that the Torah would serve as the instruction manual of Yahuwah, in the New Covenant community of faith.

In Matthew 5:17-19 (NKJV) Yahshua said, "do not think that I have come to abolish Torah or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Torah until everything is accomplished. Any one who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commandments will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

The terms, fulfill and abolish, refer to Torah and are both rabbinical Jewish expressions. When an ancient rabbi gave a reasonable and logical commentary on a scripture verse he was said to be fulfilling Torah. In other words, he was doing a good job in rightly dividing it. If on the other hand he had incorrectly commented on the scripture, he was accused of abolishing the verse through incorrect commentary.

Being willfully ignorant of these common Jewish idioms, the church has taught that since Yahshua fulfilled Torah, we don’t have to do anything. Thus let the HAM PARTY begin! Obviously this kind of interpretation of Matthew 5:17-19 results in churches teaching antinomianism. Our blessed Master Yahshua was teaching that unlike others who were preaching the abolition of Torah through weird interpretations, Yahshua was sent to fulfill or to correctly interpret Torah. Yahshua gave no license to his talmidim (disciples) to break Torah. This is wishful thinking on the part of popery and misguided Protestants.

For 2 millennia the paganized church system has been breaking Torah and worst of all, distributing tips and encouragement for others to do the same. Many hyper Calvinist dispensationalists will of course claim that Messiah was teaching Torah before "The Cross." What hogwash! HaAdon Yahshua bound all New Covenant believers to observe and to teach Torah observance until heaven and earth disappear. Yahshua said that Torah should be taught in His blood washed believing community, until the Olam Habah (coming world) dawns (Matt. 5:17-19)!

Golgotha and Yahshua’s execution stake never had any mystical power to end Torah observance, even though the eventual disappearance of the sun and moon will. When the end of this age dawns it will then be evident how much the church has been discredited, brought low and ridiculed by the world at large as well as by Jews worldwide, because of their own abolition and mishandling of Torah. Many in the church have taught lawlessness instead of teaching Torah. Two millennia ago, churchianity declared a "grace party" deciding to ham things up! They thus embarked on a faith devoid of Torah and their Jewish ancestors, thus rendering themselves least in the kingdom.

Yahuwah gave even sterner warnings to the church’s so-called "Spirit-filled" adherents who teach abolition of Torah. In Matthew 7:21 and 22, the scripture speaks of many who serve Yahuwah and scream out Yahshua’s Lordship, including big name christian "healing evangelists" and "deliverance ministers", as those who will not inherit eternal life.


Yahshua/Jesus is the Aleph and the Tav, NOT; the alpha and omega.......you've been had. thumbs up
http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/12-2004-PW.pdf

In the Greek alphabet, the letter alpha is the first letter, and omega is the last letter. However, in the Hebrew Language, in which
even the so-called New Testament Scriptures are now known to have been originally written, the letter aleph a is the first letter, and
the letter tau t is the last.

It is an admitted fact by the Biblical scholars that Revelation 1:8 should say in Hebrew:
I am the ALEPH and the TAU instead of I am the ALPHA and OMEGA .The Anchor Bible, Revelation Volume 38, page 379, gives us the explanation of this phrase.
8. the Alpha and the Omega. The Hebrew would be aleph and taw, probably standing respectively for Urim and
Thummim, the sacred lots of the high priest used to determine the will of God, and also meaning all “encompassing.”
Adam Clarke, in his Commentary, Volume 6, page 971, agrees that alpha and omega are aleph and tau in Hebrew.
[The beginning and the ending.] That is, as aleph or alpha is the beginning of the alphabet, so am I the author
and cause of all things; as tau or omega is the end or last letter of the alphabet, so am I the end of all things,
the destroyer as well as the establisher of all things.
We would not be any better off, however, if this Scripture (Revelation 1:Cool is properly rendered: “I am the Aleph and the Tau.”
We still would not know what Yahweh means when He identifies Himself by the first and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet,
unless this is further researched.
The letters aleph and tau must be researched to see if they do have a meaning, or message, to convey.
What the Bible translators did not realize (or they rejected) is that each individual Hebrew letter can be a word or phrase unto
itself, with a specific meaning. This is clearly pointed out by Fabre d’Olivet in his book, The Hebraic Tongue Restored. Dr. d’Olivet
gives clear, precise explanations of the meanings of each individual Hebrew letter, and what they point out or declare. On page 98
of his book, Dr. d’Olivet also states that knowing that each Hebrew letter has a meaning of its own, is the key to understanding the
Scriptures.
In reference to the letters aleph and tau, Dr. d’Olivet gives clear proof that these two letters make statements in their own right.
The first letter in the Hebrew alphabet, as Dr. d’Olivet points out from The Hebraic Tongue Restored on pages 95 and 287,
stands for unity.
a A.__This first character of the alphabet, in nearly all known idioms, is the sign of power and of stability. The ideas that it expresses
are those of unity...
a A. First character of the alphabet in nearly all known idioms. In its hieroglyphic acceptation, it characterizes unity, the central
point, the abstract principle of a thing. As sign, it expresses power, stability, continuity.
On pages 98 and 465 of this book, Dr. d’Olivet clearly points out that the letter tau, the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, means
and stands for perfection.
t TH.Sign of reciprocity: image of that which is mutual and reciprocal. Sign of signs. Joining to the abundance of the character d,
to the force of the resistance and protection of the character f, the idea of perfection of which it is itself the symbol.
The Prophetic Word 12-2004 Page 23
t TH. This character as consonant, belongs to the sibilant sound. As grammatical sign in the Hebraic Tongue, it is that of sympathy
and reciprocity; joining, to the abundance of the character r , to the force of resistance and protection of the character f, the idea
of perfection and necessity of which it is the emblem.
Incredible as it may sound, both single letters aleph and tau, are in themselves Hebrew words that have specific meanings.
As Clark in his Commentary, and the writers of The Anchor Bible, Revelation, have shown,the Alpha and Omega should have
been written: the Aleph and the Tau.
Now, with the true meanings of these Hebrew letters revealed, all can see the statement that Yahweh is actually making in these
.S.criptures. Revelation 1:8—
I am unity (Aleph) and perfection (Tau), the Beginning and the End, says Yahweh: Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come: the
Almighty.
.O.ther Scriptures verify that Yahweh is unity and perfection. Deuteronomy 6:4—
Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is One.
.Y.ahshua Messiah, a begotten Son of Yahweh, Who was the Savior sent by Yahweh, taught that Yahweh is perfection. Mattithyah 19:17—
But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One who is the standard of perfection, and that is
. Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. Mattithyah 5:48—
Therefore, become perfect, just as your Father Who is in heaven is perfect.
Yahweh is revealing Himself again to be unity and perfection. These Scriptures that reveal the Alpha and Omega, the Aleph and
the Tau to be Yahweh Almighty (Revelation 1:8; 1:11; and 21:6) do not point out Yahshua Messiah. Nor can Revelation 22:13,
in which this phrase was added, be used to claim that Yahshua Messiah pre-existed.
Yahshua Messiah: First And Last—Beginning And End
Having proven that the words Alpha and Omega were added to this Scripture, Revelation 22:13, The Book Of Yahweh correctly
.r.eads. Revelation 22:13—_
I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
We know Yahshua said this. We know it is no contradiction for Him to call Himself the last, for He will live forever.
We know it is no contradiction for Him to call Himself “the end,” for He is the end result of having kept His Father’s Laws
.p.erfectly. Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.
The translators tried to distort this Scripture to try to make you believe that Yahshua Messiah ended the Law. Romans 10:4 taken
.f.rom theKing James Version, shows us how this Scripture has been distorted. Romans 10:4, KJV—
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.
If you will research the meanings of the word translated end in this Scripture, then you will see that this word means ultimate, prophetic
purpose, and not end as is universally understood in the English context.
The word translated end in Romans 10:4, as well as Revelation 22:12 is word #5056, from Strong’s Greek Dictionary and
means to set out for a definite point or goal; prop. the point aimed at as a limit, ultimate or prophetic, purpose.
Religious imposters also use Romans 10:4 in order to deceive the people in this world into thinking that Shaul taught against
Yahweh’s Laws. The Apostle Shaul never once taught against the Law of Yahweh. In fact, he taught all to keep Yahweh’s Law. In
.t.he same book of Romans, which Shaul wrote, we find the following Scriptures. Romans 2:13—
. For not the hearers of the Law are the righteous in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law are the righteous. Romans 6:16—
Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey; whether of sin which leads to
death, or of obedience which leads to righteousness?
There are many Scriptures in the book of Romans, which teach against sin: against breaking the Law of Yahweh (I Yahchanan
3:4). However, these two should be enough to show you that the Apostle Shaul did not teach against the Laws of Yahweh, as the
false religious leaders would have you believe.
Now, in Revelation 22:13, Yahshua called Himself the “last” because He has been resurrected to eternal life, and now He will
never die again. He called Himself the “end” because He is the end product, the ultimate result of keeping the Law of Yahweh.
What did He mean when He called Himself the first in Revelation 22:13? Did He mean that He was the first being to ever exist?
Many would have you think so. Did He mean that He was the Father of all living? There are some who would have you believe this.


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I'm talking about YHWH Elohim/God the God of the Bible, just who are you talking about?
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Post  MoMo Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:33 am

....I've asked you before if you comprehend these Concepts/Data, they are Core Concepts of YHWHs Bible, this is what the Jews teach and believe. This is what Yahshua/Jesus taught to the gentiles as a Jewish Rabbi........Yahshua/Jesus taught Torah in the Synagogues and public places.................. thumbs up


Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah/God

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity



As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of Yahweh play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.



Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Xns.

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is Yahweh-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* Yahweh, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: Yahweh.

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of Yah'

* This emergence of "The Image of Yah" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Xns.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like Yahwehs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, the Human 'Image of Yah' has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* Yahweh has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of Yah', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikkun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that Yahwehs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Xns alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of Yahweh' brings with it more Yahweh like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of Yahweh'; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rightts, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh

The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.

The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alphabet/Alephbet ........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemisphereical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....


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Post  MoMo Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:40 am

...................Ahoy!!!!! Madame Lilly, Queen of Bullshit of the Runt Continent of Australia:

Meet some REAL Scholars. Credentialed.They all agree with me and think you are full of shit. thumbs up

Jeffrey Burton Russell
Professor of History, Emeritus

University of California
Santa Barbara


http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/library/russell/home.html

MICHAEL S HEISER.COM

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

Glenn Miller

http://christianthinktank.com/


Torah on the Web - Virtual Beit Midrash


http://www.vbm-torah.org/


N.T. Wright the Bishop of Durham.

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

What are we therefore saying about the earthly Jesus? In Jesus himself, I suggest we see the biblical portrait of YHWH come to life: the loving God, rolling up his sleeves (Isa 52:10) to do in person the job that no one else could do, the creator God giving new life the God who works through his created world and supremely through his human creatures, the faithful God dwelling in the midst of his people, the stern and tender God relentlessly opposed to all that destroys or distorts the good creation, and especially human beings, but recklessly loving all those in need and distress. “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd; he shall carry the lambs in his arms; and gently lead those that are with young” (Isa 40:11). It is the OT portrait of YHWH, but it fits Jesus like a glove.

Let me be clear, also, what I am not saying. I do not think Jesus “knew he was God” in the same sense that one knows one is tired or happy, male or female. He did not sit back and say to himself “Well I never! I’m the second person of the Trinity!” Rather, “as part of his human vocation grasped in faith, sustained in prayer, tested in confrontation, agonized over in further prayer and doubt, and implemented in action, he believed he had to do and be, for Israel and the world, that which according to scripture only YHWH himself could do and be.”[39] I commend to you this category of “vocation” as the appropriate way forward for talking about what Jesus knew and believed about himself. This Jesus is both thoroughly credible as a first century Jew and thoroughly comprehensible as the one to whom early, high, Jewish christology looked back.


Let me put it like this. After fifteen years of serious historical Jesus study, I still say the creed ex animo; but I now mean something very different by it, not least by the word “god” itself. The portrait has been redrawn. At its heart we discover a human face, surrounded by a crown of thorns. God’s purpose for Israel has been completed. Salvation is of the Jews, and from the King of the Jews it has come. God’s covenant faithfulness has been revealed in the good news of Jesus, bringing salvation for the whole cosmos.


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Post  MoMo Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:10 pm

Ahoy!!! You've got two choices lilly; #1: Hold onto the pain and wallow in self-pity or;

#2: Accelerate your healing process and climb to new levels of fulfillment and understanding.

Cause & Effect

Gratitude, realise your 'cup runneth over'...........you have Freewill

The moment you let go of expectations you invoke Freewill, your ego is no longer in control
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Post  true lilly Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:13 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:I was hoping you'd have a laugh Lilly,you get so
much attention,and you're a severely non touch play around type
girl.That picture El Kabong posted definitely was'nt you,I mean,you
describe yourself as a little old lady,...You're only 50-51...Have you
heard of hot milf...No,I spose you have'nt...

Hmmmmmm,or was he
refering to a picture you used as a fund raiser and was pissed off to
find you were'nt the advertised material...?

Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia 233183
...oh please, give it up...yes, I still get hit on by men much younger...
no, I don't take up the offers...and..."I" am NOT The Topic...

...THIS IS...

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Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia Lilliput

Swift gives the location of Lilliput and Blefuscu as Latitude 30°2′S, to the northwest of Van Diemen's Land.
Because this area is actually occupied by Australia,


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And you're laughing at those who still refuse to see,
that The Conspiracy behind all conspiracies, is to hide
the real world evidences of the saving truth of God's Word,
from those who would not join God's Enemies (who KNOW
HE EXISTS and CAN'T LIE), while 'they've' plotted to try to,
'make Him a liar', by trying to take the land He described
and promised to His Faithful...???...that's 'funny' to you?

That's sad to me.

But, it is also something God warned us watch for, from the beginning.
Yet more evidence of the faithfulness of God's Word.
As He also told us He would hide and raise His own watchmen, Princes and Kings
to keep the reminders of the truth of His Word until the time God's Kingdom is,
re-established on this earth, from where the healing waters will flow, to heal,
not only Israel and Judah, but all the remaining of the Nations.

Which is very good news, for those with the ears to hear it, and,
the character of Spirit to repent of their worldly lusts, and willingly serve,
The Perfectly Just, Creator of Life.


REVELATIONS 22:2
In 1722 the midst 3319 of the street 4113 of it 846, and 2532 on either 2532 side 1782 1782 of the river 4215, [was there] the tree 3586 of life 2222, which bare 4160 twelve 1427 [manner of] fruits 2590, [and] yielded 591 her 846 fruit 2590 every 2596 1538 1520 month 3376: and 2532 the leaves 5444 of the tree 3586 [were] for 1519 the healing 2322 of the nations 1484.


ISAIAH 33:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top
1
Woe to you who are despoiling, without you yourself being despoiled,
and to you who are dealing treacherously, without [others] having dealt
treacherously with you! As soon as you have finished as a despoiler,
you will be despoiled. As soon as you have done with dealing treacherously,
they will deal treacherously with you.

2
O Jehovah, show us favor. In you we have hoped.
Become our arm every morning, yes, our salvation in the time of distress.
3
At the sound of turmoil peoples have fled.
At your arising nations have been dispersed.
4
And the spoil of YOU people will actually be gathered [like] the cockroaches
when gathering in, like the onrush of locust swarms that is rushing against one.
5
Jehovah will certainly be put on high, for he is residing in the height.
He must fill Zion with justice and righteousness.
6
And the trustworthiness of your times must prove
to be a wealth of salvations—wisdom and knowledge,
the fear of Jehovah, which is his treasure.

7
Look! Their very heroes have cried out in the street;
the very messengers of peace will weep bitterly.
8
The highways have been made desolate; the one
passing over the path has ceased. He has broken the covenant;
he has contemned the cities; he has taken no account of mortal man.
9
The land has gone mourning, has withered away.
Leb´a·non has become abashed; it has moldered.
Shar´on has become like the desert plain;
and Ba´shan and Car´mel are shaking off [their leaves].

10
“Now I will rise up,” says Jehovah, “now I will exalt myself;
now I will lift myself up.
11
YOU people conceive dried grass; YOU will give birth to stubble.
YOUR own spirit, as a fire, will eat YOU up.
12
And peoples must become as the burnings of lime.
As thorns cut away, they will be set ablaze even with fire.
13
Hear, YOU men who are far away, what I must do!
And know, YOU who are nearby, my mightiness.
14
In Zion the sinners have come to be in dread;
shivering has grabbed hold of the apostates:
‘Who of us can reside for any time with a devouring fire?
Who of us can reside for any time with long-lasting conflagrations?’

15
“There is one who is walking in continual righteousness and
speaking what is upright, who is rejecting the unjust gain from frauds,
who is shaking his hands clear from taking hold on a bribe,
who is stopping up his ear from listening to bloodshed, and who
is closing his eyes so as not to see what is bad.
16
He is the one that will reside on the heights themselves;
his secure height will be craggy places difficult to approach.
His own bread will certainly be given [him];
his water supply will be unfailing.”

17
A king in his handsomeness is what your eyes will behold;
they will see a land far away.
18
Your own heart will comment in low tones on a frightful thing:
“Where is the secretary? Where is the one that does the paying out?
Where is the one counting the towers?”
19
No insolent people will you see, a people too deep in language to listen to,
of a stammering tongue without [your] understanding.
20
Behold Zion, the town of our festal occasions!
Your own eyes will see Jerusalem an undisturbed abiding place,
a tent that no one will pack up. Never will its tent pins be pulled out,
and none of its ropes will be torn in two.
21
But there the Majestic One, Jehovah, will be for us a place of rivers, of wide canals.
On it no galley fleet will go, and no majestic ship will pass over it.
22
For Jehovah is our Judge, Jehovah is our Statute-giver,
Jehovah is our King; he himself will save us.

23
Your ropes must hang loose; their mast they will not hold firmly erect;
they have not spread a sail.
At that time even spoil in abundance will have to be divided up;
the lame ones themselves will actually take a big plunder.
24
And no resident will say: “I am sick.”
The people that are dwelling in [the land] will be those pardoned for their error.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top
(and please, do care to study the full, root, descriptive, poetic meanings,
of every blessing Word
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The friggon freemasons own this planet.

I'm just not the Godloving type.
That's why,
(unlike GOD'S FAITHFUL,
HIDDEN amongst those
YOU SO BITTERLY ENVY)
,
YOU ARE the
DEATH LOVING type
who HATES,

WISDOM and LIFE.


Psalms 5:1-12
To the director for Ne´hi·loth.
A melody of David.

1
To my sayings do give ear, O Jehovah;
Do understand my sighing.

2
Do pay attention to the sound of my cry for help,
O my King and my God, because to you I pray.

3
O Jehovah, in the morning you will hear my voice;
In the morning I shall address myself to you and be on the watch.

4
For you are not a God taking delight in wickedness;
No one bad may reside for any time with you.

5
No boasters may take their stand in front of your eyes.
You do hate all those practicing what is hurtful;

6
You will destroy those speaking a lie.
A man of bloodshed and deception Jehovah detests.

7
As for me, in the abundance of your loving-kindness
I shall come into your house,
I shall bow down toward your holy temple in fear of you.

8
O Jehovah, lead me in your righteousness by reason of my foes;
Make your way smooth before me.

9
For in their mouth there is nothing trustworthy;
Their inward part is adversity indeed.
Their throat is an opened burial place;
A smooth tongue they use.

10
God will certainly hold them guilty;
They will fall due to their own counsels.
In the multitude of their transgressions let there be a dispersing of them,
Because they have rebelled against you.

11
But all those taking refuge in you will rejoice;
To time indefinite they will cry out joyfully.

And you will block approach to them,
And those loving your name will exult in you.

12
For you yourself will bless anyone righteous, O Jehovah;
As with a large shield, with approval you will surround them.

...read on:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=5&v=1&t=KJV#top

PROVERBS 1 & 2
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#top
1
The proverbs of Sol´o·mon the son of David, the king of Israel,
2
for one to know wisdom and discipline, to discern the sayings of understanding,
3
to receive the discipline that gives insight, righteousness and judgment and uprightness,
4
to give to the inexperienced ones shrewdness, to a young man knowledge and thinking ability.

5
A wise person will listen and take in more instruction, and a man
of understanding is the one who acquires skillful direction,
6to understand a proverb and a puzzling saying, the words of wise persons and their riddles.
7
The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge. Wisdom and discipline are what mere fools have despised.

8
Listen, my son, to the discipline of your father, and do not forsake the law of your mother.
9
For they are a wreath of attractiveness to your head and a fine necklace to your throat.

10
My son, if sinners try to seduce you, do not consent.
11
If they keep saying: “Do go with us. Do let us
lie in ambush for blood. Do let us lie in concealment for the innocent
men without any cause.
12
Let us swallow them down alive just like She´ol, even whole, like those going down into a pit.
13
Let us find all sorts of precious valuables. Let us fill our houses with spoil.
14
Your lot you ought to cast in among us. Let there come to be just one bag belonging to all of us”—
15
my son, do not go in the way with them. Hold back your foot from their roadway.
16
For their feet are those that run to sheer badness, and they keep hastening to shed blood. 17
For it is for nothing that the net is spread before the eyes of anything owning wings.
18
Consequently they themselves lie in ambush for the very blood of these; they lie in concealment for their souls.
19
Thus are the paths of everyone making unjust profit. It takes away the very soul of its owners.

20
True wisdom itself keeps crying aloud in the very street. In the public squares it keeps giving forth its voice.
21
At the upper end of the noisy streets it calls out. At the entrances of the gates into the city it says its own sayings:

22
“How long will YOU inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience,
and [how long] must YOU ridiculers desire for yourselves outright
ridicule, and [how long] will YOU stupid ones keep hating knowledge?
23
Turn back at my reproof. Then to YOU I will cause my spirit to bubble forth; I will make my words known to YOU.

24
Because I have called out but YOU keep refusing, I have stretched out my hand but there is no one paying attention,
25
and YOU keep neglecting all my counsel, and my reproof YOU have not accepted,
26
I also, for my part, shall laugh at YOUR own disaster, I shall mock when what YOU dread comes,
27
when what YOU dread comes just like a storm, and YOUR own
disaster gets here just like a storm wind, when distress and hard times
come upon YOU.
28
At that time they will keep calling me, but I shall not answer;
they will keep looking for me, but they will not find me,
29
for the reason that they hated knowledge, and the fear of Jehovah they did not choose.
30
They did not consent to my counsel; they disrespected all my reproof.
31
So they will eat from the fruitage of their way, and they will be glutted with their own counsels.
32
For the renegading of the inexperienced ones is
what will kill them, and the easygoingness of the stupid is what will
destroy them.
33
As for the one listening to me, he will reside in security and be undisturbed from dread of calamity.”


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=2&v=1&t=KJV#top
1
My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself,
2
so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment;
3
if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself,
4
if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it,
5
in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God.

6
For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment.
7
And for the upright ones he will treasure up practical wisdom; for those walking in integrity he is a shield,
8
by observing the paths of judgment, and he will guard the very way of his loyal ones.
9
In that case you will understand righteousness and judgment and uprightness, the entire course of what is good.

10
When wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge itself becomes pleasant to your very soul,
11
thinking ability itself will keep guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you,
12
to deliver you from the bad way, from the man speaking perverse things,
13
from those leaving the paths of uprightness to walk in the ways of darkness,
14
from those who are rejoicing in doing bad, who are joyful in the perverse things of badness; 15
those whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their general course;
16
to deliver you from the strange woman, from the foreign woman who has made her own sayings smooth,
17
who is leaving the confidential friend of her youth and who has forgotten the very covenant of her God.
18
For down to death her house does sink and down to those impotent in death her tracks.
19
None of those having relations with her will come back, nor will they regain the paths of those living.

20
The purpose is that you may walk in the way of good people and that the paths of the righteous ones you may keep.
21
For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it.
22
As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth;
and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.


PSALMS 119: 85 to 128

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=119&v=85&t=KJV#85

PSALMS 119:2
Happy are those observing his reminders;
With all the heart they keep searching for him.


...and REPAIRING The SPIRITUAL Gates
through which, the faithful, returning,

may enter into GOD'S HOLY KINGDOM...

NEHEMIAH 1, 2
& 3

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Neh&c=1&t=KJV&q=NEHEMIAH
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Neh&c=2&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Neh&c=3&v=1&t=KJV


ISAIAH 41:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=41&v=1&t=KJV#top

PROVERBS 4: 18, 19

But the path 734 of the just 6662
[is] as the shining 5051 light 216,
that shineth 215 more 1980 and
more unto the perfect 3559 day 3117.
The way 1870 of the wicked 7563
[is] as darkness 653:
they know 3045 not
at what they stumble 3782 .

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=4&v=18&t=KJV#top

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PERU...pooped all over anything in Egypt...
...pooped all over Israel...Israel walked...and all that power...
dried up...then...even greater than all that was...everywhere,
all over the Americas...was built in OZ...then...in their human
pride...Israel forgot God...The Source of all that and more...and...
so...OZ was UTTERLY DEVASTATED...and Israel headed north...
and, scattered, mixed and mingled...over all the world...again...
to start re-gathering...some few hundred years ago...Back in...
The Home Land...promised...preserved...in O'Zion...to again...
better than ever...anywhere...anytime...Re-Plant & Re-Build...

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Ancient cave paintings in...not OZ...

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Post  MoMo Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:50 pm

The Scientific and Archaeological AND Historical Evidence refutes Lillys Queen of Bullshit massive Bullshit. thumbs up

Explain these Lilly, Queen of bullshit. thumbs up

Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt
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http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

Merneptah Stele
Merneptah pylon at University of Penn Museum
One of the most important discoveries that relate to the time of the Exodus is the Merneptah stele which dates to about 1210 BC. Merneptah, the king of Egypt, boasts that he has destroyed his enemies in Canaan. He states: Plundered is the Canaan with every evil; Carried off is Ashkelon; seized upon is Gezer; Yanoam is made as that which does not exist; Israel is laid waste, his seed is not; (ANET 1969, 378).The word "Israel" here is written in Egyptian with the determinative for people rather than land (ANET 1969, 378 note 18). This implies that Israel did not have a king or kingdom at this time. This would be the time of the judges. The text also implies that Israel was as strong as the other cities mentioned, and not just a small tribe. The south to north order of the three city-states may provide a general location for Israel. There is an interesting place named in Joshua 15:9 and 18:15, "well of waters of Nephtoah," that may be the Hebrew name of Merneptah. The well which is probably anachronistically named after Merneptah would be near Jerusalem. The Egyptian Papyrus Anastasi III contains "The Journal of a Frontier Official" which mentions this well. It says:Year 3, 1st Month of the 3rd Season, Day 17. The Chief of Bowmen of the Wells of Mer-ne-Ptah Hotep-hir-Maat--life, prosperity, health!--which is (on) the mountain range, arrived for a (judicial) investigation in the fortress which is in Sile (ANET 1969, 258).Yurco has recently re-analyzed the Karnak battle reliefs, and has concluded that they should be ascribed to Merneptah and not Ramses II (1990, 21-38). There are four scenes which Yurco correlates with the Merneptah stele. One scene is the battle against the city of Ashkelon which is specifically named. Yurco argues that the other two city scenes are Gezer and Yanoam. He concludes that the open country scene must be Israel. Rainey rejects this view because it shows them with chariots and infantry (1990, 56-60). Lawrence Stager suggests that the small horses pulling the chariot belong to pharaoh's army as in the Ashkelon scene (1985, 58). Rainey thinks the Shasu are Israelites, but others identify the Shasu as Edomites (Stager 1985, 60). Both scholars Yurco and Rainey agree that these battle scenes are from Merneptah's reign (Yurco 1991, 61; Rainey 1992, 73-4; Hess 1993, 134). Before the discovery of the Merneptah stele scholars placed the date of the exodus and entry into Canaan much later. They are now forced to admit that Israel was already in Canaan at the time of Merneptah. Israel was big and strong enough to challenge Egypt in battle. This stele puts a terminus ante quem date of 1210 BC for the exodus (McCarter 1992, 132).

Ancient bowl with curses against their enemies. Metro Museum of Art.


Execration Texts
There are two types of execration texts from the 12th Dynasty of Egypt. The oldest type are inscribed red clay bowls that date to the reign of Sesostris III (1878-1842 BC). The second type, dating a generation or two later (Middle Bronze II, 1800-1630 BC) are clay figurines which list cities along major routes of travel (McCarter 1996, 43). The Egyptians practiced the magical cursing of their enemies by inscribing pottery bowls and figurines with the names of their enemies, and then smashing them to break the power of their enemies. "Iy-'anaq" is named which may be related to the Anaqim or giants who dwelt in Canaan before the conquest (ANET 1969, 328). There is the ruler of "Shutu" named Job. Shutu is probably Moab the sons of Sheth (Numbers 24:17; Ahituv 1984, 184). There are the rulers of Shechem, Hazor, Ashkelon, Laish, Tyre, and Pella ('Apiru-Anu). The ruler of Shamkhuna is Abu-reheni (Abraham). The tribes of 'Arqata and Byblos are mentioned (ANET 1969, 329). Jerusalem is named, but there is no mention of Israel. There is the interesting mention of the personal name "Zabulanu" which is similar to the cuneiform for "Zebulon" (ANET 1969, 329 note 6). This was probably not the son of Jacob, but just a popular name? In Ugaritic zbl is a place name (Gordon 1965, Text 1084:13; Glossary #815). Rohl finds the name Jacob and Joseph (Iysipi, E31), but this is highly questionable (1995, 352; ANET 1969, 329). The Execration texts seems to parallel the time of the patriarchs.

Inscription of Khu-Sebek, Called Djaa
A stele found at Abydos tells about an Asiatic campaign by Sen-Usert III (1880-1840 BC) which says: His majesty proceeded northward to overthrow the Asiatics. His majesty reached a foreign country of which the name was Sekmem. His majesty took the right direction in proceeding to the Residence of life, prosperity, and health. Then Sekmem fell, together with the wretched Retenu (ANET 1969, 230b).Some scholars think "Sekmem" is probably Shechem which is located in a pass between Mount Ebal and Mount Gerizim. Shechem controlled an important trade route and the fertile valley to the East. It seems that Shechem was a very powerful and important city at the time of the patriarchs. The city was surrounded by massive embankments of earth with mudbrick walls on top. During the 17th century BC a rectangular fortress temple was built with walls 17 feet thick (Toombs 1985, 936; Wright 1962; See Judges 9:46). In the Amarna Letters the king at Shechem was Lab'ayu who was the most important ruler in central Palestine (Na'aman and Aviv 1992, 288). Lab'ayu is accused of going over to the side of the Hapiru. The Hapiru are probably the Hebrews during the time of the Judges. Joshua renews the covenant with Israel's leaders at Mount Ebal (Joshua Cool and again at Shechem (Joshua 24). Joshua never took Shechem so some scholars think that the Gibeonite deception included the city of Shechem (NIV, Joshua 9). Joseph's bones which were brought out of Egypt were buried at Shechem. There is no mention of Israel in this text.

The Story of Sinuhe
The story of Sinuhe also gives us a background picture about Syria-Palestine life in the Middle Bronze Age which is most likely the patriarchal period. Sinuhe flees Egypt on hearing of the death of King Amenemhet I (1960 BC) and becomes an exile like Moses. His path of flight may have been similar to the Exodus, but his destination was Byblos. He says, "I came up to the Wall-of-the-ruler, made to oppose the Asiatic and to crush the Sand-Crossers....I halted at the Island of Kem-wer. An attack of thirst overtook me" (ANET 1969, 19; Lichtheim 1975, vol.1, 224; Gardiner 1916; Anati 1963, 386; Rainey 1972). This "Wall" is the fortresses on the eastern frontier near the present day Suez Canal. Kem-wer is the area of the Bitter Lakes.The ruler of the Upper Retenu (northern Palestine and southern Syria) then befriended him, and Sinuhe marries his eldest daughter. It is a tribal society which fights over pasture land and wells. One battle is similar to the story of David and Goiath.In his old age Sinuhe is allowed to return to Egypt. He leaves his eldest son in charge of his tribe and all his possessions of serfs, herds, fruit, and trees. Finally, Sinuhe receives a proper burial in a pyramid tomb. This story gives helpful background information, but there is no mention of Israel. There is a Movie called The Egyptian (1954) that tells the story of Sinuhe.

The Hyksos

Hyksos princess crown Tell el-Yahudiyeh ware

It seems most likely that Joseph rose to power during the time of the Hyksos, or just before in the 12th Dynasty when many Asiatics came into Egypt. It also seems most likely that the Exodus from Egypt should be equated with the expulsion of the Hyksos. Not all the Hyksos were Israelites. It says in Exodus that a great mixed multitude came out of Egypt with Moses (Exodus 12:38). The Greek name "Hyksos" was coined by Manetho to identify his fifteenth Dynasty of Asiatic rulers of northern Egypt. The word comes from the Egyptian Hk3(w) h3swt, which means "ruler(s) of foreign countries" (Meyers 1997, 3:133) which Manetho mistranslated as "Shepherd Kings". The Hyksos were of West Semitic background probably from southern Palestine who migrated down into northern Egypt during the 12th and 13th dynasties. At first they lived peacefully with the Egyptians until the deterioration of Egypt's power when in 1648 BC they captured the Egyptian capital at Memphis.

The Hyksos made Avaris their capital which is modern Tell ed-Dab'a, which was later known as Piramesse (Exodus 1:11). "Avaris" is the Greek term for the Egyptian Hwt-w'rt meaning "mansion of the desert plateau" (Meyers 1997 3:134). Other important Hyksos cities were Tell el-Yahudiyeh (meaning "mound of the Jews") known for its distinctive black and white ware, and Tell el-Maskhuta (probably Succoth in Exodus 12:37 NIV note, 13:20).
Store Cities of Pithom and Rameses

Exodus 1:11 states, "So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh" (NIV).

Professor Hans Goedicke believes that the Biblical city of Ra'amezez is incorrectly equated with Pi-Ramesses. Hershel Shanks writing about Goedicke's view states, "But the fact is that the store city of Ra'amezez cannot be identified with Pi-Ramesses, the Residence of the Ramessides. This identification is impossible phonetically, as has been demonstrated conclusively more than 15 years ago (D.B.Redford, "Exodus I, II", Vetus Testamentum, Vol. 13, pp. 408-413, 1963). Moreover, the Residence of the Ramessides is never denoted in Egyptian sources by the use of the royal name Ramesses alone. When the Residence of the Ramessides is referred to, the royal name is always connected with the Egyptian word pr, meaning house or residence: the reference is always in the form "Per Ramesses" (BAR, September/October 1981, p. 44).

Long before Per Ramesses, in the same area was Avaris the capital of the Hyksos kings and a border town when written in hieroglyphic transliteration is R3-mtny (Khatana) which is today called Tell ed-Dab'a and is being excavated by Manfred Bietak, Director of the Austrian Archaeological Institute in Cairo. The hieroglyphic R3-mtny can be projected back into Semitic transcription as Ramesen. Therefore Shanks concludes, "Biblical Ra'amezez can therefore almost certainly be identified with Tell el-Daba (Ibid.).

Pithom is most likely to be identified with Tell el-Rataba according to Goedicke (Ibid.)

Jacob-El
Yakobher seal from Metro Museum of Art

According to the Turin king list there were six Hyksos kings who ruled for 108 years. One important ruler was named "Y'qbhr" or "Jacob-hr" (Albright 1934, 11). There have been several different translations of this name. Early scholars purposed the meaning of "Jacob-El" as "Jacob is my god", but Albright observed that the name is a name-pattern verb plus theophorous element (1935, 191, n.59; Ward 1976, 358). In Phoenician and Akkadian hr means "mountain". Ward states:Here hr, 'mountain,' appears as a synonym for 'ilu, 'god, much as Hebrew sur, 'rock,' and similar words were used, e.g., Suri-'el, 'El is my rock.' I would thus render Y'qb-hr as '(My) mountain (i.e. god) protects,' which would be identical in meaning to Yahqub-'il (1976, 359).Hr meaning "mountain" or "rock" is identical to the word El or "god". In the Old Testament Zobel proposes:The name (Jacob) is a hyocoristic form of what was originally a theophorous name belonging to the class of statement-names made up of a divine name and the imperfect of a verb. Its full form, not found in the OT, was 'Jacob-El'(1990, 188-9; Shanks 1988, 24-25).

Therefore the name "Jacob" found in the Bible would be the same as the name "Jacob-El" which is found on a number of Hyksos Scarabs. Although this name was common among the Arameans, but uncommon among the Canaanites and Phoenicians (Zobel 1990, 189), R. Weil was the first to connect the Hyksos princes with the Biblical story of Jacob (Kempinski 1985, 134). In 1969 a scarab of Jacob-El was found in the Middle Bronze II tomb at Shiqmona, a suburb of Haifa, that was from a mid-18th century deposit 100-80 years before the Hyksos (Kempinski 1985, 132-3). The Jacob-El of Shiqmona must have been a local Palestinian ruler, possibly the same Jacob of the Bible. According to Genesis 32:23-33 Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Steuernagel was the first to propose the idea of the "Jacob tribe" or "proto-Israelite Jacob group" (Zobel 1990, 194). It may be that the name "Israel" was not officially used until after the conquest of Canaan when a league of 12 tribes was formed. This would help explain the absence of the name "Israel" from early sources. Joseph Austrian Manfred Beitak excavating Tell ed Dab'a, the ancient capital of the Hyksos, between 1984 to 1987 discovered a palace and garden dating back to the 12th Dynasty with a tomb containing a statue of an Asiatic with a mushroom hairstyle that some scholars think might be Joseph (Aling 1995, 33; 1981; Rohl 1995, 327-367). Much more evidence is needed to claim for certain that this is Joseph's tomb (Redford 1970). There is an interesting study done by Barbara Bell on the records of the Nile's water levels. She concluded that in the middle of the 12th Dynasty there were erratic Nile water levels that caused crop failure (Bell 1975, 223-269). Could this be Joseph's famine? There is "The Tradition of Seven Lean Years in Egypt" written during the Ptolemaic period about the reign of Djoser that states: To let thee know. I was in distress on the Great Throne, and those who are in the palace were in heart's affliction from a very great evil, since the Nile had not come in my time for a space of seven years. Grain was scant, fruits were dried up, and everything which they eat was short. Every man robbed his companion (ANET 1969, 31).

The Story of Two Brothers is an Egyptian text that dates to about 1225 BC that is very similar to the story of Joseph. This tale tells how a young man was falsely accused of a proposal of adultery by the wife of his older brother after he had rejected her advances (ANET 1969, 23-25; Lichtheim 1976, 2:203-211). In the 12th Dynasty Egyptian tomb of Khunum-hotep (1890 BC) at Beni Hasan is pictured a caravan of 37 Asiatics arriving in Egypt trading black eye paint (stibium) from the land of Shutu (ANEP 1969, fig. 3). The leader is named Ibsha and bears the title "ruler of foreign lands" from which the name "Hyksos" is derived (ANET 1969, 229). The land of Shutu is probably an ancient term for Gilead (Aharoni 1979, 146). The Ishmaelites who took Joseph down to Egypt came from Gilead through Dothan (Genesis 37:25). In the 13th Dynasty there were a number of Asiatics serving in Egyptian households. One text lists 95 servants from one Theban household with 37 of the names being Asiatics, and at least 28 females (ANET 1969, 553-4; Albright 1955, 222-233). There is a Asiatic women named Sekratu (line 13) which is related to "Issachar." In line 23 an Asiatic woman is called "Asher," and in line 37 another woman is called Aqaba which is related to "Jacob." This may indicate that some of the tribes of Israel were in Egypt at this time. In the Book of Sothis which Syncellus believed was the genuine Manetho it gives the specific time when Joseph rose to power under Hyksos king, Aphophis who ruled 61 years. It says: Some say that this king (Aphophis) was at first called Pharaoh, and that in the 4th year of his kingship Joseph came as a slave into Egypt. He appointed Joseph lord of Egypt and all his kingdom in the 17th year of his rule, having learned from him the interpretation of the dreams and having thus proved his divine wisdom (Manetho 1940, 239). Halpern has concluded, "Overall, the Joseph story is a reinterpretation of the Hyksos period from an Israelite perspective" (1992, 98).

Coffin of Ahmos at Metro Museum of Art


Expulsion of the Hyksos
The earliest document that describes the time of the Hyksos is from the Temple of Hat-shepsut (1486-1469 BC) At Speos Artemidos which says: Hear ye, all people and the folk as many as they may be, I have done these things through the counsel of my heart. I have not slept forgetfully, (but) I have restored that which had been ruined. I have raised up that which had gone to pieces formerly, since the Asiatics were in the midst of Avaris of the Northland, and vagabonds were in the midst of them, overthrowing that which had been made. They ruled without Re, and he did not act by divide command down to (the reign of) my majesty (ANET 1969, 231; Breasted 1988, 122-26; Shanks 1981, 49).The Hyksos worshipped Baal which was associated with the Egyptian god Seth. This led to the neglect of other gods and temples which upset the Egyptians. There is debate over the exact period of time that The Admonitions of Ipuwer describes. The text itself is from the 19th-20th Dynasty. John Van Seters strongly argues for the time of the Hyksos (1966, 103-120). It states: Foreigners have become people everywhere....the Nile is in flood....poor men have become the possessors of treasures....many dead are buried in the river....let us banish many from us....the River is blood (ANET 1969, 441; Lichtheim 1975, 1:151). This sounds similar to the event of the first plague against Egypt (Exodus 7:14-24). The river is not actually blood, but looks blood red because the Nile is flooding. Some speculate that the rest of the plagues are a result of the Nile flooding. The expulsion of the Hyksos was a series of campaigns which started with Kamose who was king in Thebes, and rebelled against the Hyksos. His son Ahmose was finally successful in pushing the Hyksos out. A commander named Ah-mose records in his tomb the victory over the Hyksos. He says: When the town of Avaris was besieged, then I showed valor on foot in the presence of his majesty. Thereupon I was appointed to the ship, 'Appearing in Memphis.' Then there was fighting on the water in the canal Pa-Djedku of Avaris. Thereupon I made a capture, and I carried away a hand. It was reported to the king's herald. Then the Gold of Valor was given to me. Thereupon there was fighting again in this place....Then Avaris was despoiled. Then I carried off spoil from there: one man, three woman, a total of four persons. Then his majesty gave them to me to be slaves. Then Sharuhen was besieged for three years. Then his majesty despoiled it (ANET 1969, 233). Note that Avaris was besieged, there is no mention of how Avaris was taken, and there is no burning of Avaris stated which still fits Josephus' account. Bietak who has been excavating ancient Avaris says that there is no evidence for a violent destruction of Avaris. He states: The archaeological material stops abruptly with the early 18th Dynasty. There are no scarabs of the 18th Dynasty type in Stratum D/2. The most likely interpretation is that Avaris was abandoned. No conflagration layer or corpses of slain soldiers have been found so far in the large and widely separated excavation areas A/II and A/V (Bietak 1988). The end of Avaris may have involved a surrender, or as Josephus has stated, an arranged retreat to Palestine (Against Apion 1.14.88, Bietak 1991, 47).

This exit from Egypt by the Hyksos probably included the Israelites as well. The story of the Exodus is most likely bases on the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt, for there is no other record of any mass exit from Egypt (Robertson 1990, 36; Halpern 1994, 89-96; Redford 1897, 150). The evidence seems to fit well with Josephus' account. Although the Egyptians saw the expulsion of the Hyksos as a great military victory, the Israelites viewed this as a great salvation victory for them. This seems similar to other events recorded in ancient history where both sides claim a great victory. Ramses II battled with the Hittites and almost lost his life, yet he calls this a great victory, but so do the Hittites. In reality it was a stalemate, so they both signed a treaty (ANET 1969, 201; Soggin 1993, 213) Ahab is seen as a powerful king (ANET 1969, 279). Sennacherib claims a great victory over the Jews by taking 46 cities and surrounding Jerusalem. Hezekiah is said to be "like a bird in a cage" (ANET 1969, 288), yet he claims a great victory because Jerusalem is not captured. In the Mesha or Moabite stone (ANET 1969, 320) the king of Moab, Mesha claims a great victory over Israel, yet Israel claims a great victory over Moab (II kings 3:4-27). So it seems that what the Egyptians saw as a great victory over the expulsion of the Hyksos, the Israelites saw as a great exodus victory of salvation.

The Sinai


Archaeological surveys and excavations show that there was very little occupation during the Late Bronze Age (Anati 1986). This seems most likely due to Ahmose's campaign against the Hyksos, and to the Israelites migration to Canaan. The Israelites could not have come out of Egypt in the 14th century because of the lack of archaeological evidence in the Sinai. Two of the most influential German scholars von Rad and Noth argued, "The Exodus and Sinai traditions and the events behind them were originally unrelated to one another" (Nicholson 1973, 1). Von Rad saw the Sitz im Leben of the Sinai covenant in the feast of Tabernacles celebrated at Shechem while the settlement tradition was celebrated at Gilgal with the feast of Weeks. Von Rad also saw Heilsgeschichte (salvation history) strikingly silent about Sinai events (Deut. 26:5b-9). Noth put forth the idea that "early Israel took the form of a tribal league on the analogy of the city-state confederations later attested in Greece and Italy and known to the Greeks as "amphictyonies" (Nicholson 1973, 12-13). On the other hand Weiser vigorously debated the view that the Sinai and Exodus traditions were independent of one another (Nicholson 1973, 33). In 1954 Mendenhall put forth the idea that the Sinai covenant is similar to the Hittite suzerainty treaties (1954, 50-76). Nicholson concludes that one is at an "impasse" since none of these views are convincing (1973, 53). There does seem to be clear parallels between the Sinai covenant and ancient suzerainty treaties, and ancient tribal leagues did exist (Chambers 1983, 39-59). There are various suggestions as to were Mt. Sinai is. De Vaux believes that the theophany of Sinai was a description of a volcanic eruption in northern Arabia (1978, 432-Cool. Exodus 19:18 describes the mountain like a furnace of smoke. From a distance it would look like a pillar of cloud in the day, and a pillar of fire at night. Following this cloud of smoke would lead them right to the volcano. There are no volcanoes in Sinai, but there are several in northern Arabia (Lee 1996, 20). The only known large eruption around this time is Santorini on the Greek island of Thera (Simkin et al. 1981, 111). Professor Goedicke thinks a giant tidal-like wave called a tsunami caused by the eruption of Santorini, destroyed the Egyptian army, and the eruption formed the pillar of cloud and fire in Exodus (Shanks 1981, 42-50; Oren 1981, 46-53). Note that at the time of Ogyges there occurred the first great deluge in Greece. Ogyges "lived at the same time of the Exodus from Egypt" (Eusebius 1981, 524). Maybe a tsunami caused this deluge in Greece? Jewish tradition seems to place Mt. Sinai in Arabia. Demetrius stated that Dedan was Jethro's ancestor which is identified with the oasis of el-'Ela, and when Moses went to Midian he stayed in Arabia (De Vaux 1978, 435). In Josephus' book Antiquities of the Jews he placed Sinai where the city of Madiane was (Antiquities, II.264; III.76). In the Babylonian Talmud (Sotah 5a) R. Huna and R. Hisda say, "the Holy One, blessed be He, ignored all the mountains and heights and caused His Shechinah to abide upon Mount Sinai" (Freedman and Simon 1935, 18-19). According to Old Testament passages Mt. Sinai is identified with Seir and Mt. Paran. Deuteronomy 33:2 says, "The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran" (KJV, see also Judges 5:4-5, Hab. 3:3,7; Axelsson, 1987; Simons 1959). It seems that the itinerary that was followed in Numbers 33:18-36 locates Sinai in northern Arabia. Midian was also located here (I Kings 11:18) where Moses lived with Jethro, priest of Midian, for forty years (Exodus 2:15, 3:1).

TABLE 9
Archaeological Finds in Sinai*

Period & Date Kadesh Barnea Central Negev South Negev Northeast Sinai Southern Sinai
Early Bronze 3200-2200 Dense Dense High Density Dense Egyptian mines
Middle Bronze 2200-1550 Dense Sporadic High Density Dense Egyptian mines
Late Bronze 1550-1200 Sparse Sparse Copper mines Sparse Egyptian mines
Iron I 1200-1000 Sparse Israelite forts & colonies Copper mines Sparse Mining is sparse

*Based on Emmanuel Anati's book Har Karkom: The Mountain of God in 1986.

According to the New Testament, Paul in Galatians 4:25 states, "For this (H)Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia" (KJV). Paul is probably following Jewish tradition that placed mount Sinai in northern Arabia. From Egyptian topographical lists one area the Shasu lived in was Seir. One place is called "land of the Shasu Yhw" (Axelsson 1987, 60). Yhw is used as a toponym, a place-name, which is most likely named after a deity. Yhw corresponds to the Old Testament YHWH, which would make this the earliest known reference. Axelsson concludes, "Thus it is conceivable that the full name of the area in question was Yhw's land, Yhw's city, Yhw's mountain, or the like" (Axelsson 1987, 60). After further study Astour places this city north of Israel in Lebanon (1979, 17-34; for more on the origins of YHWH see, De Moor, 1990, Huffmon, 1971, Murtonen, 1951).

Middle Bronze Age Destruction
The Late Bronze Age begins with the wide spread destruction of the Middle Bronze Age. This may be the result of Ahmose, the Hyksos, or even Israel. There is some question as to how far Ahmose went into Canaan. He did get as far as Sharuhen which a number of scholars think is Tell el-'Ajjul (Rainey 178-85; Shea 1979, 3-5). He besieged it for three years before he took it (ANET 1969, 233). This may be as far as Ahmose got (Hoffmeier 1989). This may also be as far as Israel got. Two years after the Exodus (Numbers 10:11) Israel tried to take Canaan from the South, but failed (Numbers 14:45). This would be at the same time Ahmose was still besieging Sharuhen. Moses may have thought while the Egyptians were keeping the Hyksos of Canaan contained at Sharuhen, that they could conquer the land, but since the Hyksos were strong enough to hold off the Egyptians for three years, they could easily beat Israel. With the defeat of the Hyksos by Ahmose 40 years later Joshua would be able to conquer Canaan, but only a small part of the central highlands was settled by Israel. In the past scholars concluded that Ahmose must have caused the destruction of the Middle Bronze Age, but Reford has shown that Ahmoses' campaign was restricted to Sharuhen and its neighborhood to punish the Hyksos (Redford 1979, 274; Bietak 1991, 58; Weinstein 1981, 1-28). The first substantial campaign against inland Palestine was by Thutmose III (Bietak 1991, 59). From a survey of the central hill country Finkelstein does not connect the Egyptian conquest with the end of the Middle Bronze Age. He states: There is no solid archaeological evidence that many sites across the country were destroyed simultaneously, and such campaigns would fail to explain the wholesale abandonment of hundreds of small rural settlements in the remote parts of the land (Hoffmeier 1990, 87). There are several key cities that will be considered, Jericho, Ai, and Hazor. First of all, is the city of Jericho which is highly controversial about when it was destroyed.

Jericho

Jericho an oasis near the Dead Sea Destruction layer at Jericho

The ancient city of Jericho is identified with Tell es-Sultan. The first large scale excavation was by Sellin and Watzinger from 1907 to 1909. The next major excavation was directed by Garstang from 1930 to 1936. Garstang believed that the fourth city was destroyed by Joshua just after 1400 BC A third major excavation was done by Kenyon between 1952 to 1958. She challenged Garstang's date by insisting that the fourth city double walls were from the Early Bronze Age. Jericho was mainly abandoned during the Late Bronze Age, but the Middle Bronze Age was violently destroyed by fire. Kenyon states: The date of the burned buildings would seem to be the very end of the Middle Bronze Age, and the destruction may be ascribable to the disturbances that followed the expansion (expulsion) of the Hyksos from Egypt in about 1560 BCE (Stern 1993, Vol. 2, 680). Could these disturbances be the Israelite conquest? Both Kenyon and Garstang agree that the Middle Bronze Age city of Jericho was destroyed as a result of the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt. There have been many proposals to solve the time of Joshua's conquest. Courville cuts out over 600+ years by equating the end of the Early Bronze Age with Joshua's conquest around 1400 BC (1971, 151; Bimson 1981, 119). On the other hand Aardsma adds 1,000 years between the book of Judges and I Samuel (1993; Wood 1993, 97). Rohl has subtracted 300+ years from Egyptian history, and James also lowers Egyptian chronology by 250+ years (Rohl 1996; James 1991). One that has been influential in the public is Velikovsky's radical views that deletes 800+ years from history (1950; 1952; Newman 1973, 146-151; Yamauchi 1973, 134-39). Bimson (1981) only lowers the chronology by 100 year, but there is no need to be adding or subtracting years. Equating the Exodus with the Expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt solves this problem. All the archaeological data seems to fit Biblical chronology when this is done, except AI which is highly controversial (See Table 10).

AI
AI has been located at Et-Tell by Albright. A brief excavation was conducted here by Garstang in 1928. A second excavation was done from 1933 to 1935 by Marquet-Krause. A third excavation was conducted by Calloway sponsored by the American Schools of Oriental Research from 1964 to 1970. The major problem here is that AI was destroyed at the end of the Early Bronze Age, and was abandoned until the beginning of the Iron Age, yet Joshua is said to have destroyed it (Stern 1993; Zevit 1985, 58). There are several explanations for this. Livingston locates AI at Khirbet Nisya, yet there is no clear evidence for this (Bimson and Livingston). Yadin interprets the Bible etiologically here (Shanks 1988, 64). It explains how the ruins of AI got this way according to the writer. Millard believes that the villagers would only use Et-Tell as a stronghold when under attack (1985, 99). The name "AI" means "ruin," so AI was destroyed earlier, but reused only as a fort. This seems to be the best explanation.

Hazor
Hazor was a major commercial center. It is mentioned in the Mari documents, and in the Egyptian Execration Texts (Stern 1993, 594). The first major excavation here was by Yadin from 1955 to 1958. Excavations were resumed in 1968 and in 1990. There is speculation that an archive is located in the royal palace (Rabinovich 1996, Cool. This would be a major find, and shed much light on the Late Bronze Age in Israel. The Canaanite city of Hazor has been destroyed several times. The final destruction was at the end of the 13th century which Yadin believes was done by Joshua (Stern 1993). Judges chapter 4 tells about the battle of Deborah and Barak with Jabin the king of Hazor, and his commander Sisera. How could this happen if Hazor was destroyed by Joshua? Bimson thinks that the 13th century destruction of Hazor should be equated with Judges 4 (1981, 181-7). It is wrong to assume that Jabin, king of Hazor is the same person in Joshua 11 and Judges 4. Jabin is probably a dynastic name like Abimelech (Kitchen 1966, 68). A clay tablet with the name Jabin (Ibni) has been found at Hazor (Horowitz 1992, 166). Joshua's conquest of Hazor should be connected with the end of the Middle Bronze Age destruction. Dever places the destruction of Middle Bronze sites from 1550 to 1450 BC (Hoffmeier 1990, 87; Dever 1990, 75-81). This would be at the same time period that Joshua is conquering Canaan. Recent scientific radiocarbon dating of cereal grains from Tell Es-Sultan (Jericho) place the end of the Middle Bronze Age (MB-IIC) around 1540 BC (Bruins and Plicht 1996, 213-14). This would rule out the 1406 BC (Late Bronze Age) date by conservative scholars. Bimson states, "The admittedly poor 'fit' between Biblical tradition and Late Bronze Age archaeological evidence is universally conceded by scholars" (Bimson and Livingston 1987, 41; see Table 11). The problem with Bimson's view is that he eliminates one hundred years from history when there is no need to do this according to radio-carbon dating. New advances in tree ring dating correlated to Carbon 14 will be able to achieve more accurate dates (Bower 1996, 405-6; Renfrew 1996, 733-34; Kuniholm 1996, 780-83).

Egyptian Topographical Lists
Thutmose III
Thutmose and Dr. Meyers at Metro Museum of Art, NYC.
The topographical lists of Thutmose III (ca. 1481 BC) can be divided into two parts; the "Megiddo-list" or "Palestine-list, and the "Naharina-list, or "Northern-list" (Simons 1937, 28). The "Megiddo-list" names towns and places whose chiefs took refuge within the walls of Megiddo, and were taken captive by Thutmose III to Thebes. There are only three copies of this list that contain 119 topographical names (Rainey 1982, 345-359). The "Naharina-list" is just the extension of the "Megiddo-list" containing over 300 place-names. These lists are found in the temple of Amon at Karnak. The lists are probably grouped geographically by regions according to three administrative districts (Aharoni 1979, 158). There were three headquarters during the El Amarna letter which seems to divide this list nicely; Gaza, Sumur, and Kumidi. The first four regions belong to the district of Kumidi; southern Beqa'(#3-11, 55-56), Damascus vicinity (#12-20), Bashan (#21-30), and the northern Jordan valley (#31-4). There are four regions of the Gaza district; the plains of Jezreel (#35-54), the coastal plain and the Sharon (#57-71), Judean hills (#103-6), and the Ephraimite hills (#107-17). The next two regions belong to the district of Sumur; the northern Beqa' (#72-9) and Upper Galilee (#80-102), (Aharoni 1979, 158). North sees the list reflecting the march of Thutmose's army first with numbers 53-119 in the right column, then with numbers 1-52 in the left column (Aharoni 1979, 157). Aharoni sees only a South to North geographic arrangement of place-names along the coastal plain of Sharon (#57-71), (1979, 157). Redford argues for a typical Bronze Age itinerary in numbers 89-101 of the list (1982, 55-74). Hoffmeier does an excellent job of comparing the Annal of Thutmose III with Joshua 1-11 (1994, 165-179; cf. Hess 1996, 160-170; 1994, 191-205; Younger 1990). There are many Old Testament names that are recognized in these lists, but there are two important place-names that effect this study. The first is number 78, Joseph-El, which indicates the tribe of Joseph was already in Canaan before 1481 BC (Redford 1979, 277) which is the 23rd year of Thutmose's coregency (ANET 1969, 235). The second is number 102, Jacob-El, which also indicates the tribes of Israel were already in Canaan at this time. A date earlier than 1481 BC is needed for the Exodus. It may be argued that the name Israel was not yet used at this time until a league of 12 tribes was formed. Others have studied these toponym lists in detail (Giveon 1979, 135-141; Ahituv 1984). Several different locations have been proposed for these palce-names. There are three other interesting name correlations given by Yeivin who states: There is a group of three such names, all connected with the same geographical unit, in which appears also the place-name Jacobel. The first is No. 100, i-i-rw-tw, which could be transcribed 'Ard, and identified in all probability with the Benjamine clan....The second is No. 106 M-(M)-Q-R-W-T, which is transcribed Miqlot (Mikloth), and identified with another Benjaminite clan, descended from the 'Father of Gibeon'....The third place name is No. 108 S3-RW-TY-Y, which is to betranscribed Shelat, and most plausibly identified with Shela, the third and surviving son of Judah by his Canaanite concubine,Bat-shua(1971, 22).

There is an interesting story about how Joppa was captured by soldiers who hid in 200 baskets that were brought into the city on a ruse (ANET 1969, 22). This probably happened on Thutmose III's first campaign.

Amenhotep II
Amenhotep II was the son of Thutmose III who ruled Egypt from 1453-19 BC There are three known military campaigns into the land of Canaan (Aharoni 1979, 166). The lists of prisoners gives a cross-section of the population at that time. Aharoni states: The first group included 550 maryannu (noble chariot warriors), 240 of their wives, 640 Canaanites, 232 royal sons, 323 royal daughters and 270 concubines. A final summary lists: 127 rulers of Retenu, 179 brothers of the rulers, 3600 'apiru, 15,200 living Shasu, 36,300 Huru, 15,070 living Neges, and 30,652 families thereof.... Among the residents of Palestine the Horites account for 66 per cent, the Shasu 27.5 per cent and the 'apiru 6.5 per cent (1979, 168-9; Lemche 1991, 43-46). The Israelites have been associated with both the 'apiru and the Shasu (Akkadian Shutu). Some scholars think the name "Hebrew" came from "'apiru." This does seem to give clear evidence for the Hebrews being settled in Canaan at this time.

Amenhotep III
In the temple of Amon in Soleb (Nubia) there is a topographical list from the time of Amenhotep III (1408-1372 BC). In column IV.A2 is written t3 ssw yhw3 which means "Yahweh of the land of the Shasu" (Giveon 1964, 244; Redford 1992, 272; Astour 1979, 17-34). In the ancient Near East a divine name was also was given to a geographical place where the god was worshipped (Axelsson 1987, 60). This is the first clear extra-biblical evidence of the name "Yahweh." The land of the Shasu may be the same area as the Midianites in the Bible where Moses stayed for 40 years (Axelsson 1987, 61; Giveon 1964a, 415-16). De Vaux says, "Geographers place Midian in Arabia, to the south-east of the Gulf of 'Aqabah" (1978, 332). This also is where Mount Sinai may be located. Astour locates the land in Lebanon (1979, 17). The Shasu were Bedouins who led a nomadic existence. "Shasu" was a general term the Egyptians used to describe any Bedouins East of the Delta. The Egyptians would define certain Shasu according to their location. For example there are the Shasu of Edom (ANET 1969, 259). The word "Shasu" became in Coptic shos meaning "shepherd" (ANET 1969, 259 note 2). It may be that the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert were probably grouped with the Shasu by the Egyptians. Giveon points out marked similarities between the Shasu and the Hebrews (1967, 193-196; Bietak 1987, 169). When they came out of the desert and into the hill country of Palestine, they were probably called Hapiru as in the El Amarna letters instead of Shasu.There is another very interesting name in the temple of Amon in Soleb on Column XA.2 it says, iswr or "Asher" (Giveon 1964, 250). From the position of iswr which is right after qrqms (Carchemish) in the list and before ipttn (column XA4) which may refer to Abez of Issachar (Joshua 19:20), the location of this place would be in northern Palestine. Giveon prefers the translation of "Asher" which may refer to the tribe of Israel. Giveon says, "Les autres toponymes de cette colonne indiquent une region a l'Ouest d'Assur, il est donc preferable d'opter pour Asher" (Translation: The other names in this column indicate a region to the West of Assur, it is therefore preferable to opt for Asher. 1964, 251).

On a statue-base of Amenhotep III at Kom el Hetan which is the funerary temple of Amenhotep III there is a topographical list with the place-name Yspir (Series a:1; Kitchen 1965, 2). This is the same name translated "Joseph-El" in Thutmose III's Topographical list (ANET 1969, 242). After Yspir in both lists the place-name Rkd appears (Series a:2 in Amenhotep III's list, and #79 in Thutmose III's list; Simons 1937, 112). Rkd is the same place-name as Ruhizzi in the El Amarna letters (EA 53:36, 56; EA 5426; EA 56:26; EA 191:2; Rainey 1982, 354). The ruler of Ruhizzi is Arsawuya who seems to be located in northern Palestine or southern Syria (EA 53:36, 56; Moran, 125).

Seti I
Seti I is the founder of the 19th Dynasty whose goal was to revive the Egyptian empire. The kings of the 19th Dynasty identified themselves with the Hyksos religious tradition of worshipping the god Seth (Baal) whom Seti (Seth's Man) was named after. In 1320 BC Seti celebrated the 400th year of the reign of Seth, and the beginning of the Hyksos rule (1720 BC). Ramese II (1279 BC) set up a 7.2 foot high granite monument called "Stele of the Year 400" at Avaris which he renamed Pi-Ramese, "House of Ramese" (ANET 1969, 252-3; Breasted 1988, 3:238-42; McCarter 1996, 46-7). This founding of the Hyksos rule is most likely alluded to in Numbers 13:22 which says, "Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan (Avaris) in Egypt" (KJV; Mazar 1986, 21; Albright 1957, 242). In Seti's first campaign there is a battle with the Shasu which is pictured on the Karnak reliefs (ANEP 1969, fig. 323-9). The tribal chiefs of the Shasu are gathered on the mountains of kharu (upper Galilee) to fight the Egyptians. It says: The foe belonging to the Shasu are plotting (5) rebellion. Their tribal chiefs are gathered in one place, waiting on the mountain ranges of Kharu. They have taken to clamoring and quarreling, one of them killing his fellow. They have no regard for the laws of the palace (ANET 1969, 254; Breasted 1988, 3:52).

Seti claims victory against "the Shasu from the fortress of Sile to the Canaan" which includes the "Upper Retenu" (ANET 1969, 254; Aharoni 1979, 177; Lemche 1991, 46-48; Giveon 1971). It seems that this general term "Shasu" is referring to the Hebrews who lived in the mountain ranges of upper Galilee. "They have no regard for the laws of the palace" may be because they are following the laws of Moses. "They have taken to clamoring and quarreling" seems to describe the period of the Judges. Note that they have "tribal chiefs" and no king at this time. There is one important name on the topographical list from Karnak, i-s-r (Simons 1937, 147). Aharoni believes that this name is "the earliest reference to the Israelite tribe of Asher. I-s-r (#265) also occurs in Ancient Egyptian Onomastica by Gardiner (1947, 192-3; Paton 1913, 39). A stele of Seti I discovered at Beth-Shean states that the Hapiru from Mount Yarumta with the Tayaru attacked the Asiatics of Rehem (ANET 1969, 255; Rowe 1929, 88-93). Mount Yarumta is probably Jarmuth of the tribe Issachar (Joshua 21:29). It seems that the tribe of Issachar is already in Canaan by this time (1303 BC; Aharoni 1982, 124). Breasted concluded that these Shasu (Bedwin) are the same as the Hapiru of the El Amarna letters. He says, "The attempt of the Hebrews to gain a footing in Palestine is undoubtedly involved in the larger movement of the Bedwin, which Seti here records" (1988, 50). On the next page is a summary of the keys names found in ancient Egyptian topographical lists (Table 12).
Ramses II
Rameses II at U of Penn Museum.

Ramses II came to power in about 1279 BC And reigned for 67 years. A stele from his 9th year was discovered at Beth-shean that mentions the Shasu and the city of Per-Ra-messu which is the same name in Exodus 1:11 (Rowe 1929, 94-98). In the Nubian city of Amara-West the remains of a temple of Ramses was uncovered. A list of 104 Asiatic names were discovered which names places in the Negeb, Edom, the city of Dor, and some think Jericho (Horn 1953, 201-3). One interesting name that was found is yhw which is "Yahweh" in Hebrew (Horn 1953, 201; Giveon 1964, 244). The line reads t3 s3sw yhw which I translate as "Yahweh of the land of the Shasu" (Horn 1953, 201; Giveon 1964, 244; Astour 1979, 17). In reliefs from Luxor the land of Moab (m-w-i-b) and Dibon (t-b-n-i) are first mentioned in Egyptian (Aharoni 1979, 182). In Ramses II's topographical list the place-name "Jacob-El" (#9) appears again (ANET 1969, 242; Simons 1937). The first appearance was in Thutmose III's list. This means that this city of Jacob has been around for two hundred years. Contemporary with Ramses II is "A Satirical Letter" that describes the geography of Canaan. In this letter it mentions "Qazardi, the Chief of Aser" (i-s-r, Asher; ANET 1969, 477).

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TABLE 12
Egyptian Topographical Lists

Names Tuthmosis III (1481 BC) Amenhotep II (1440) Amenhotep III (1386) Seti I (1291) Ramses II (1275)
Jacob-El yes yes
Joseph-El yes yes
Asher yes yes yes
Yahweh yes yes
Shasu yes yes yes yes
Hapiru yes yes


See ANET, 242-3.

Aharoni states, "The use of this name to define a tribal group in Canaan at that time proves that it must be equated with the Israelite tribe of Asher" (1979, 183; Mazar 1986, 37). This description of Canaan seems to match the description of the border land of Canaan in Numbers 34. This brings us up to the time of Merneptah where Israel is specifically mentioned. One important group of letters that must be considered in depth is the El Amarna letters.
Shasu

The Amarna Letters
Akhenaton Akhenaton's Cartuoch at U of Penn Museum

In 1887 an Egyptian peasant woman discovered a collection of cuneiform tablets at the site of Akh-en-Aton's capital from the 14th century BC, now called Tell El-Amarna. There were a total of 377 tablets found. Later some more tablets were found. About half of them were written in Akkadian by Canaanite scribes in Palestine describing the conditions there. One major problem was the "Hapiru" who were taking over the land. They wanted the king of Egypt to send reinforcements."Hapiru" is probably related to the word "Hebrew" (Greenberg 1955, 91-2). Hapiru (Akkadian) is sometimes spelled "Habiru" or "'apiru" (Egyptian). The Egyptian word is 'pr. In these letters "Hapiru" is spelled with the Sumerian logogram SA.GAZ. Hapiru was a general term for "robber" or "migrant" (Astour 1962, 382). Na'aman states, "Common to all the people designated as 'Habiru' is the fact that they were uprooted from their original political and social framework and forced to adapt to a new environment" (1986, 272; Buccellati 1977, 145-7). He believes the best meaning of Habiru is migrant, but in the Amarna letters it went beyond this to "a derogatory appellation for rebels against Egyptian authority" (Na'aman 1986, 275). Rowton says: The term 'apiru is of West Semitic origin, and it first appears in Mesopotamian urban society at a time when that society was being penetrated by Amorites. This suggests that it was brought in by the Amorites and that it originally denotes some aspect of tribal society....the economically and socially uprooted" (1976, 17). The use of the term "Hebrew" in the Old Testament is found primarily in the pre-monarchical period, and used in unfavorable contexts by foreigners like the Egyptians (Gen 39:14,17, 41:12; Ex. 1:16, 2:6) and the Philistines (ISam 4:6,9; 13:3,19; 14:11; 29:3). The bands of David and Jephthah give some of the clearest pictures of what the Habiru were like (Mazar 1963, 310-20). It seems that later in history the social meaning of Hapiru was changed to an ethnic term for Israel. The social term Hapiru disappeared in ancient texts (12th century BC) mainly due to the rise of national states, but was kept in Israel and developed into an ethnic term (Na'aman 1986, 286).

The El Amarna letter 288 from Jerusalem says: The strong arm of the king seizes the land of Nahrima and the land of Cush; but now the Hapiru are seizing the cities of the King! There is not a single governor (left) to the king; all are lost. Behold, Turbasu was slain at the gate of Zilu (but) the king kept silent. Behold Zimredda, the (sons of) Lachish smote him, slaves who have become Hapiru (Na'aman 1979, 678; Moran 1992, 330-32; ANET 1969, 488-89; Na'aman and Aviv 1992; Pfeiffer 1963, 50).

The El Amarna (EA) 299 from Gezer says, "Now the Hapiru are prevailing over us. So may the King, my Lord, take me away from the land of the Hapiru, so that the Hapiru will not destroy us" (Na'aman 1979, 679; Moran 1992, 340). EA 273 says, "May the king, my lord, be informed that war is waged in the land and that the land of the king, my lord, is being ruined by going over to the Hapiru" (Na`aman 1979, 680; Moran 1992, 318).

In EA 256 (line 18) the name "Yashuya" appears which some have tried to connect to the name "Joshua" (Weippert 1962, 128; ANET 1969, 486; Moran 1992, 309). Rohl equates this name with "Jesse" father of David (1995, 228). Albright does not think "Yashuya" is Joshua because Joshua would probably be written as Ya-hu-su-uh (1943, 12 note 27). This letter is from Mut-Ba'lu, prince of Pella, to the Canaanite Yanhamu who was the Egyptian commissioner for Palestine and Syria. Mut-Ba'lu denies he has hid Ayyab (Job), the prince of Ashtaroth (in Bashan) who was wanted by Yanhamu for robbing a Babylonian caravan (Albright 1943, 9-10; Na'aman and Aviv 1988, 181). "Yanhamu" may be of Hebrew origins (ANET 1969, 486 note 11). In lines 22-24 it says, "all the towns of the land of Garu (Golan) were hostile--Udumu" (Albright 1943, 14). Albright says, "The name (Udumu) is clearly identical with that of Edom ('Udumu) and the legendary land of 'Udm ('Udumu?) in the Keret Epic of the fifteenth century BC" (1943, 14 note 36).

Pfeiffer says, "Although the place names of the Amarna texts are parallel to those of the Old Testament, the personal names are totally different" (1963, 53; Ahituv 1984). In the Amarna letters Abdi-Khepa is king of Jerusalem where as in Joshua Adoni-zedek is king (Joshua 10:3). Meredith Kline has therefore concluded that the Conquest by Joshua of Canaan precedes the Amarna Age. He sees the Hapiru as the oppresses in the book of Judges (1957; Pfeiffer 1963, 53).

Cities that are not mentioned in the El Amarna letters are also important to note. Bimson says: The fact that various Canaanite cities important in other periods do not feature in the Amarna correspondence is adequately accounted for by the fact that the incoming Israelites had destroyed them just a few decades before. Cities which do not feature include Gibeon, Jericho, Hebron (?), and Bethel (1981, 227).

The important cities of the El Amarna letters are the cites which weres not taken by the Hebrews. These are Jerusalem (Judges 1:21), Megiddo (Judges 1:27), and Gezer (Judges 1:29). The cities of Hazor and Lachish revived quickly from destruction while Shechem probably went over to the Hebrews with the Gibeonites, and was never destroyed. In Joshua 11:10 Hazor is called "the head of all those Kingdoms" which are mentioned in the first three verses of Joshua 11. This description of Hazor as "the head of all those Kingdoms" does not fit well with the El Amarna letters (Late Bronze Age), but is an excellent description of the Middle Bronze Age (Bimson 1981, 228). The king of Hazor in EA 148 is charged with aiding the Hapiru which is just the opposite of what happens in the book of Joshua. EA 148 says, "The King of Hasura (Hazor) has abandoned his house and has aligned himself with the 'Apiru" (Moran 1992, 235).

Ahlstrom states, "several letters seems to indicate that most of Palestine is 'apiru territory" (1993, 245). The Hapiru of these Amarna letters seem to clearly be identified with the Hebrews of the Old Testament during the time of the judges before the monarchy.

The Hapiru are not just mentioned in the Amarna letters. In Ugaritic a tablet (2062:A:7; Gordon 1965, Glossary #1899) found in the oven when Ugarit was abandon shows that the Hapiru were active here around 1200 BC Not all Hapiru were Hebrews. Greenberg states, "Since the time of Bohl it has become commonplace that 'all Israelites were Hebrews (Hapiru), but not all Hebrews (Hapiru) were Israelites'" (1955, 92).

In a letter found at Taanach the personal name Ahiyami, or Ahiyawi was found which suggests this name is compounded with Yahweh. Paton says, "This favors the theory that the Habiru in Canaan were Israelites" (1913, 38). Albright claims that in EA 252 there is an archaic Hebrew proverb. About 40% of EA 252 is written in pure Canaanite (or Hebrew). In lines 15-18 there is a proverb which Albright compares with Proverbs 6:6 and 30:25 about the ant which says, "If the ants are smitten, they do not accept (the smitting) quietly, but they bite the hand of the man who smites them" (1943, 29). This is more evidence that the Hapiru in Canaan were Hebrews.

There is a newly discovered prism of a new king named Tunip-Tessup of the kingdom of Tikunani that names a number of Hapiru (438) who were soldiers or servants (Shanks 1996, 22; Salvini 1996). When this is translated this may give us some more clues to who are the Hapiru.

Ugaritic Texts
In the spring of 1928 a Syrian farmer was plowing his field when he uncovered a stone over a grave. Archaeologists were called in which led to the discovery of the near by ancient city of Ugarit, modern day Ras Shamra (Curtis 1985, 18; Craigie 1983, 7). Many clay tablets were uncovered which were written in cuneiform in a language now called "Ugaritic." See also Ugarit and the Bible. Since Ugaritic is very similar to Hebrew it can help illuminate Hebrew words. One of the most interesting personal names is ysril which equals "Israel" in Hebrew (Gordon 1965, Text 2069:3; Glossary #1164). It is the name of a charioteer (mrynm; Zobel 1990, Vol.6, 399). While this is not referring to Israel as a nation, it does show the use of this personal name in the Late Bronze Age. The name "Israel" may have originally meant "El rules" in Ugaritic (Zobel 1990, 401).

Another interesting name is yw (CTA 1 IV:14; Herdner 1963, 4) which may be identified with "Yahweh" in Hebrew according to Dussaud (Cooper 1981, 367). Herdner states that the reading yw is certain (1963, 4 note 3). Murtonen also argues for this reading (1951, 6-Cool. Gordon says, "Yahwe with -h- corresponds to Yw exactly like yhlm to Ug. ylm" (1965, Glossary #1084). The name yw appears in the Baal and Yam text which is part of the cycle of Baal myths. The supreme god El instructs Kothar-and-Khasis (the craftsman god) to build a palace for Yam (Sea) who is also called judge Nahar (river). As El sits in his banqueting hall he declares to the other deities that Yam's personal name was yw, but his new name is to be "darling of El" (Deut. 33:12). In order to secure his power Yam must drive his rival Baal from his throne. El then holds a feast to celebrate this naming ceremony (Gibson 1977, 3-4). The actual text in line 14 (CTA 1 iv:14; Herdner 1963, 4; Gibson 1977, 39) says, sm. bny. yw which I translate as "the name of my son is Yahweh." This would make Yahweh a rival of Baal which is reminiscent of the conflict of Elijah with the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel (I Kings 18).

Could Yahweh have originally been associated with the sea god Yam of the Canaanites? Murtonen sees Yw as a variant or epithet of Yam (Cooper 1981, 367). MacLaurin sees 'elohim as a composite of 'eloh + Yam meaning "the god Yam" (Cooper 1981, 368). This is probably very unlikely. Pope states, "Morphologically it ('elohim) is the plural of 'eloah" (1955, 9; Dijkstra, 1995, 53; Cross, 1973, 65). Pettinato suggested that Ya appears in Eblaite at the end of names like Baal does in Ugaritic. One example is dmrb'l meaning "Baal is my sentinel" compared to dmry meaning "Ya is my sentinel" (Pettinato 1981, 277; Compare this with Exodus 15:2). Pettinato later states that Ya does not refer to an individual god, "but rather an absolute or divine god" (1991, 180).

The Ugaritic personal name abmlk corresponds to the Hebrew name "Abimelech" (Gordon 1965, 348). The ab means "father", and mlk means "king", therefore meaning "father of the king." Closely related is the name abrm which corresponds to the Hebrew "Abiram" or "Abram" which Abraham was called before his name was changed (Genesis 17:5; Gordon 1965, Text #2095:4; Albright 1935, 193). The word abrm is probably from AB (father) plus rm (high) meaning "exalted father" (Clements 1974, 52-53; See the summary chart in Table 13). The place-name ablm in Ugaritic "probably connects with such Hebrew toponyms as Abel-beth-Maacah, Abel ha-Shittim, Abel Mizraim" according to Gaster (Astour 1975, 255). Barton thinks that Daniel and Aqht were pre-Israelite heroes of Galilee, and translates qrt.ablm as "city of the meadows" and identifies it with Abel-beth-Maacah in I Kings 15:20,29 (Astour 1975, 255). The word ablm may also mean "mourners" (Gordon 1965, 349; Glossary #27).

TABLE 13
Ugaritic Texts with Old Testament Names

Transliteration Translation Ugaritic Text*
qrt . 'ablm city of Abel CTA 19 IV:165
abmlk Abimelech UT 314:8
abrm Abraham UT 2095:2,4
AB . 'adm father of mankind (Adam) CTA 14 III:151
atr . B'l Asher Baal (place-name) UT 62:7
wl . 'udm . trrt and to well-watered Edom CTA 14 III:109
ysril Israel UT 2069:3
bnmt son of Moses UT 2046:rev.5
yw Yahweh CTA 1 IV:14
y'l Ya(hweh) is God UT 311:7
zbl Zebulon UT 1084:13
*UT-Ugaritic Textbook by Gordon in 1965. CTA-Corpus Tablettes Alphabetiques by Herdner in 1963.

The city ablm in Aqht is the "meadow" were Aqht, son of Daniel, was slain (CTA 19 IV:163-166; Astour 1975, 254; Gibson 1977, 199). Because of the spilling of Aqht's blood there would be crop failure for seven years. The land would dry up. Could there be a double meaning here, and in Genesis 4 for Abel meaning "meadow" and "mourner" (or dried up) was slain in a field? Cain also would have crop failure (Gen. 4:12).

The Ugaritic mt according to Aistleitner is derived from the Egyptian ms meaning "child" (Gordon 1965, 440; Glossary #1579). Gordon states, "The vocalization of the Eg.(Egyptian) mose (as in 'Thutmose') suggests that 'Moses' is the same n.(noun) that appears in Ug.(Ugaritic) lit.(literature)" (1965, 440; Glossary #1579).

In Ugaritic the place-name zbl is mentioned that is the same in Hebrew as "Zebulon" (Gordon 1965, Text 1084:13; Glossary #815). Both words come from the same root meaning "to raise, elevate" (Astour 1975, 284). This text is a list of the quantities of wine from the areas it was produced. Astour notes that zbl is "A town in the Piedmont district of the Kingdom of Ugarit, now Karzbil" (1975, 284). Although this does not refer to the tribe of Zebulon, it shows the use of this word during the Late Bronze Age (1550-1200 BC).

There is one tablet among the administrative records at Ugarit that mentions a man from Canaan. The text says y'l. kn'ny, "Ya'el the Canaanite" (Gordon 1965, 206; Text 311:7; Rainey 1963, 45). Ya'el may have been a Hebrew. This also seems to indicate that Canaan was "a district separate and distinct from the kingdom of Alalah" (Rainey 1963, 43; Na'aman and Aviv 1994, 403).

The Ugaritic story of Keret is about a just king named Keret who had no heir. He was told by El in a dream to gather an army and march seven days to Udm (Edom). He is then to wait seven days before he asks for the daughter of the king of Udm in marriage. He will then have eight sons and daughters. Albright says, "The name (Udumu) is clearly identical with that of Edom ('Udumu) and the legendary land of 'Udm ('Udumu?) in the Keret Epic of the fifteenth century BC" (1943, 14 note 36). Gordon states, "It is no accident that Udm (cf. & 'Idomeneus' the Cretan leader of the Iliad) occurs in the Krt text....The Caphtorians settled in Canaan, from Ugarit to Edom" (1965, 352; Glossary #85; CTA 14 III:108-9). The seven day wait is reminiscent of the seven day wait around the city of Jericho (Joshua 6:3-4). This story shows that Edom is already a kingdom at this time.

The Philistines
Around 1200 BC the Philistines migrated in great numbers to Canaan after the great sea battle with the Egyptians. On the walls of Ramses III's temple of Medinet Habu there are reliefs showing the battle with the Philistines (ANEP 1969, figs. 7,9,57,& 341; Yadin 1963, 336-43; Dothan 1992, 16-22). In the topographical list of Ramses III the city of Jacob-El is listed as well as the city of Levi-El (ANET 1969, 242-3).

In the book of Judges the Philistines do not come into the picture until the end of the judges with Samson (Bimson 1981, 86-88). So most of the book deals with problems before the Philistines came to power in 1200 BC The Philistines probably fled their homeland of Crete after the eruption of Santorini on the island of Thera. They are mentioned in the Iliad of Homer (Book I, Bierling 1992, 51, 72). Probably after the Trojan War the Philistines migrated south and tried to take over Egypt. Because they were not successful they settled in Canaan.

There are five groups of sea people, Philistines, Tjeker, Shekelesh, Denye(n), and Weshesh (ANET 1969, 262). One group of sea peoples called "Denye(n)" or "Dannuna" is what Dothan suggests could be the tribe of Dan in the Bible (1992, 215-19; Iliad, Book 1.56, 87). Philistine pottery, U of Penn



Settlement
There have been a number of theories that have questioned the conquest of Canaan. They opt for a peaceful infiltration or a peasant's revolt in the hill country. It was Alt who first suggested in 1925 that the Israelites gradually infiltrated into Canaan peacefully (Yamauchi 1994, 16). In 1962 George Mendenhall first proposed the "Peasant Revolt Model" which was further developed by Norman Gottwald (Mendenhall 1962, 66-87; 1973; 1958, 61-64). Mendenhall suggested that "Israel came into existence as the result of sociopolitical upheaval and retribalization among the Canaanites at the end of the Late Bronze Age" (Yamauchi 1994, 17-18; Freedman and Graf 1983). Some of the evidence that is put forth is that tribes are already in the land, but this is because they are assuming a late date for the Exodus. The names of the tribes, or patriarchs show that they were already settled in Canaan by Thutmose III's campaigns into Canaan (1490 BC).

An analysis of the genealogies in the Bible is very illuminating. According to the book of Chronicles there is no genealogy for the tribe of Dan, and Zebulon. Manassah had an Aramean concubine, while some claim Gad and Asher are Canaanite divinities. Yeivin states, "it should be observed that many of the names occurring in these genealogies are either blatantly geographical or connected with place-names; while others are definitely personal names" (1971, 11; De Geus 1993, 74-5). De Vaux goes into much detail on the origins of the different tribes mentioned in the genealogies of the Bible (1978).

The best explanation of this seems to be that Israel is a confederation of Hapiru tribes in the hill country of Canaan, that formed the nation of Israel in the Iron Age. Originally Abraham was part of an Amorite migration south into Canaan from Mesopotamia which continued down to Egypt climaxing in the Hyksos rule. In Deuteronomy 26:5 Jacob is called a "wandering Aramean" which is a late term for Amorite (De Vaux 1978, 200). The exodus is to be identified with the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt by Ahmose (1570 BC). Then they wandered in the wilderness being included among the Shasu, and caused the fall of MBIIIC cities in Canaan (the conquest). The Conquest was not total but just in the highlands for Egypt controlled the lower lands and coast. They were called Hapiru (from which the name Hebrew originates) in the Amarna period (time of the judges) until their league was consolidated into 12 tribes which became the nation of Israel in the Iron Age.

Conclusion
It seems clear after looking at a number of ancient writers that all the ancient Jewish writers took the 430 or 400 years to cover the time in Egypt as well as Canaan. The Book of Jubilees counted 400 years from Abraham's entry into Canaan. Most of the Jewish writers counted the 400 years from Isaac's birth to the exodus. The actual time in Egypt was only 185 to 215 years according to most writers; however, Midrash Abkhir specifically states 86 years in Egypt (Rappoport 1966, Vol.2, 286-7). Another important note is that most of the Jewish writers pushed the date of the exodus back to about the time of the expulsion of the Hyksos. Joseph would have rose to power just before or during the time of the Hyksos.

Josephus says there are 592 years from the Exodus to the founding of Solomon's Temple (960 BC), while Sedar Olan Zutta says 480 years. The best explanation of this discrepancy is the omission of the oppressions in the Book of Judges (111 years). This was a common ancient practice as seen in ancient Egyptian king lists.

Josephus goes into detail quoting Manetho showing that the Jews were in Egypt. He equates the Jews with the Hyksos, and the Exodus with the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt by Ahmose who founded the 18th dynasty (1570-50 BC). Manetho had access to the original Egyptian hieroglyphics that modern scholars do not have. Yet modern scholars today, both liberal and conservative place the Exodus much later, and claim there is no evidence of the Exodus in Egyptian writings. The best explanation is to identify the Exodus from Egypt with the expulsion of the Hyksos for there is no other mass exit from Egypt.

A number of secular writers tell about the origin of the Jews with disdain. Some picture the Jews as leprous. They identify the Jews with the Hyksos who were expelled from Egypt by Ahmose. This expulsion is seen as a great defeat and humiliation, yet the Jews claim a great victory. This scenario is seen in other ancient writings like Ramses II and the war with the Hittites. Each side claims victory. Sennachrib destroyed 46 cities in Judah, yet Hezekiah claims a victory because he did not take Jerusalem.

The early Church Fathers all equated the Hyksos with the Jews, and the Exodus with the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt by Ahmose. The only exception is Eusebius who did not account for overlap of reigns, and omits the years of oppression.

A look at the New Testament gives convincing proof that Paul in Galatians 3:17-18 saw the 430 years starting with the promise to Abraham. The Jews were not in Egypt for 400 years, but the 400 years applied to their sojourn in Canaan as well which was controlled by Egypt. The LXX interprets it this way in Exodus 12:40. In Acts 13:20 it is clear that there are 450 years for the time of the judges, but this does not seem to square with the 480 years from Solomon's Temple to the Exodus, because the years of oppression are omitted. This would place the exodus back to the time of the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt.

A look at all the archaeological evidence shows that the best fit of the data is to identify the Exodus with the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt around 1570-50 BC The most important discovery is the Merneptah stele that mentions Israel which forced the revision of a number of liberal theories. Before the discovery of this stele scholars placed the date of the exodus and entry into Canaan much later. They were now forced to admit that Israel was already in Canaan at the time of Merneptah. This puts a terminus ante quem date of 1210 BC for the exodus.

The execration texts which date back to at least 1630 BC mention city-states like Jerusalem, Shechem, and Hazor, but no mention of Israel. Another inscription of Khu-Sebek mentions Shechem, but not Israel.

Most scholars will place the Jews, pro-Israelites, or even Jacobites in Egypt at the time of the Hyksos. There are many scarabs with the name "Jacob-El." This seems most likely to refer either directly or indirectly to Jacob of the Old Testament.

The expulsion of the Hyksos seems to fit well with the story of the Exodus. Not all Hyksos were pro-Israelites. It says in Exodus that a "mixed multitude" left Egypt. Although the Egyptians saw the expulsion of the Hyksos as a great military victory, the Israelites viewed this as a great salvation victory for them. This seems similar to other events recorded in ancient history where both sides claim a great victory.

The evidence from the Sinai shows little occupation during the Late Bronze Age which is probably due to the expulsion of the Hyksos, and when Ahmose marched to Sharuhen, and besieged it for three years. The Middle Bronze Age destructions seem to fit well with the conquest of Canaan by Joshua.

Egyptian topographical lists are key in showing who and where people lived. The oldest list is from Tuthmosis III which names "Jacob-El" and "Joseph-El" as cities in Canaan. It is paramount to understand that cities were named after an important person or god. This seems to be clear evidence that pro-Israelites were in Canaan at this time (1481 BC).

During Amenhotep II's reign (1453-1419 BC) there is a list of prisoners that mentions 3600 'apiru, and 15,200 living Shasu that were taken as prisoners from Canaan. Some of these were probably Hebrews.

In the temple of Amon in Soleb (Nubia) there is a topographical list from the time of Amenhotep III (1408-1372 BC) That gives the name "Yahweh of the land of the Shasu" (Giveon 1964, 244; Redford 1992, 272; Astour 1979, 17-34). In the ancient Near East a divine name was also given to a geographical place where the god was worshipped (Axelsson 1987, 60). This is the first clear extra-biblical evidence of the name "Yahweh." Also named are "Asher" and "Joseph-El" which indicates that the Hebrews were in Canaan at this time.

In Seti's first campaign (1291 BC) There is a battle with the Shasu which is pictured on the Karnak reliefs (ANEP 1969, fig. 323-9). The tribal chiefs of the Shasu are gathered on the mountains of kharu (upper Galilee) to fight the Egyptians. It seems that this general term "Shasu" is referring to the Hebrews who lived in the mountain ranges of upper Galilee at this time.

In Ramses II's topographical list (ca.1275 BC) the place-name "Jacob-El" (#9) appears again (ANET 1969, 242; Simons 1937). The first appearance was in Thutmose III's list. This means that this city of Jacob has been around for two hundred years. Another interesting name that was found is yhw which is "Yahweh" in Hebrew (Horn 1953, 201; Giveon 1964, 244).

It seems abundantly clear from all these topographical lists concerning Canaan that the Hebrews were in Canaan at this time, but they did not use the name "Israel" until there league of tribes was well formed by the time of Merneptah.

The El Amarna letters describe the troublesome Hapiru that were taking over the land of Canaan. This seems to fit well with the Hebrews during the time of the judges. The word "Hebrew" probably came from the word "Hapiru."

In Ugaritic texts one of the most interesting personal names is ysril which equals "Israel" in Hebrew (Gordon 1965, Text 2069:3; Glossary #1164). While this is not referring to Israel as a nation it does show the use of this personal name in the Late Bronze Age. Another interesting name is yw (CTA 1 IV:14; Herdner 1963, 4) which may be identified with "Yahweh" in Hebrew. While one of these names alone is not conclusive, yet when all of the personal names and place names are considered, there seems to be abundant evidence for the Hebrews living in Canaan during the Late Bronze Age.

Therefore the best explanation for all of the archaeological evidence seems to be that Israel is a confederation of Hapiru tribes in the hill country of Canaan, that formed the nation of Israel in the Iron Age. Originally, Abraham was part of an Amorite migration south into Canaan from Mesopotamia which continued down to Egypt climaxing in the Hyksos rule. The exodus is to be identified with the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt by Ahmose (1570-50 BC; Frerichs and Lesko, 1997, 82, 96). Then they wandered in the wilderness being included among the Shasu, and caused the fall of MBIIIC cities in Canaan (the conquest). The Conquest was not total but just in the highlands for Egypt controlled the lower lands and coast. They were called Hapiru (from which the name Hebrew originates) in the Amarna period (time of the judges) until their league was consolidated into 12 tribes which became the nation of Israel in the Iron Age.

This paper has shown that most of the ancient writers equated the Exodus with the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt around 1570-50 BC Most ancient writers put the Jews in Egypt for 215 years or less. According to most ancient writers the 430 years in Egypt was taken to start with the promise to Abraham, and the 400 years from the birth of Isaac. Others begin these years with Abraham's entry into Canaan. All of the ancient Jewish and Christian writers considered in this paper took the 430 or 400 years to cover the time in Egypt as well as Canaan. Biblical writers also agree with these ancient traditions, and the archaeological evidence reinforces these views.


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Continent Area in Square Miles
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The World 57,308,738 Sq. Miles (148,429,000 Sq. Km) 100%
Asia (plus the Middle East) 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) 30.0%
Africa 11,608,000 Sq. Miles (30,065,000 Sq. Km) 20.3%
North America 9,365,000 Sq. Miles (24,256,000 Sq. Km) 16.3%
South America 6,880,000 Sq. Miles (17,819,000 Sq. Km) 12.0%
Antarctica 5,100,000 Sq. Miles (13,209,000 Sq. Km) 8.9%
Europe 3,837,000 Sq. Miles (9,938,000 Sq. Km) 6.7%

Australia (plus Oceania) 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) 5.2%


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53b: A Covenant of Fate, Part 2
Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Psychological Background

Anti-semitism is a multi-faceted phenomenon, which lends itself to various analyses. I would like to demonstrate that the various dimensions of analysis do not contradict one another. In fact, their juxtaposition creates a complete picture. Here we will discuss the first level, the psychological dimension. To explain it, I will use a simple allegory. Psychologists often employ the Rorschach Test in their analysis of patients. The test uses a well-known technique known as the projective technique. The patient is asked to look at a series of pictures and explain what he sees. These pictures have no intrinsic meaning. In fact, they are simply ink blots on paper that created symmetrical designs when the paper was folded in two. As previously mentioned, the pictures do not represent anything, yet people look at them and explain them. The explanations do not exist in the pictures; they exist in the person's mind. This is an opening, through which the psychologists try to enter the inner world of the person, who "projects" what is inside himself onto the pictures.

This mechanism, according to many psychologists, can shed light on the phenomenon of anti-Semitism. The anti- Semite sees in the Jews negative qualities that threaten and endanger him. These characteristics don't exist in the "picture"; they only exist in the mind of the beholder. They are the projections of the anti-Semite, who uses the Jew as a blot of his own making, and upon which he projects the black sides of his inner world. This, in very general terms of course, refers to the psychological background of anti-Semitism. The fact that the Jew is a minority, a foreigner who is relatively easily identified, was a psychological cause that contributed to the choice of the Jew as the screen upon which the anti-Semites threw their fears and hatred. This is actually the explanation for a number of noticeable characteristics of anti-Semitism. We find many types and forms of attacks on Jews. In one place the Jew is described as having one trait, and in another place he is accused of the opposite characteristic. This is true regarding both his personal traits and his social and political traits. Thus, for example, the Jew is portrayed as the capitalist trying to take over the world, and on the other hand as the revolutionary, who is attempting to weaken the power of wealth and utterly abolish personal ownership. The fact that we are faced with a psychological phenomenon means that we must not search for logic here. All anti-Semites project their various and contradictory fears upon the Jew.

Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Social Basis

Whoever thinks that this analysis has exhausted the topic of anti-Semitism is fooling himself. Anti-Semitism is a social, not an individual, phenomenon. In addition to its psychological aspects, we must study anti-Semitism from its social and general perspectives as well. A view of history and philosophy in recent generations will be of help in our attempt. Let us therefore move on to the second level of our analysis, the collective, political and social level. Until now we have examined a phenomenon that has already been expressed by the earliest thinkers of the last century. They viewed anti-Semitism as part of Xenophobia, and indeed, the phenomena we have expressed until now are merely details within a much larger context, that of the strains that exist between various groups, between the majority and the minority, and even between various races who live together within one society. From this perspective, there is no essential difference between the hatred of Jews and the hostility that exists towards other races, such as blacks. However, this is but one level of the explanation. Until now we have identified the roots of the problem, and its individual expressions.

If anti-Semitism were only an individual psychological phenomenon, it would be similar to other forms of discrimination and hostility; however, in the modern world anti-Semitism takes on a different hue. Various groups have used it for political purposes. We can trace clear attempts to use psychological hostility – which, it seems, has deep religious roots – to forward political aims. Thus, modern anti-Semitism was born, and acquired a more and more tragic and satanic form. The widespread use of this technique began in Czarist Russia, in the struggle to smother those revolutionary attempts that finally toppled the Czarist rule. Through the Czarist secret police, the rulers attempted to identify revolutionary action with the activities of the Jews. The rulers of Czarist Russia fought against certain phenomena, and in this fight they created a kind of equation, which was supposed to prove their claims. The Czarist secret police created one of the documents that became an anti-Semitic classic, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This book reveals the so-called secret plan weaved by the leaders of the Jews, to take over the entire world. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" became a holy book among the anti-Semites.

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was simply a rewriting of a French book that attributed ambitions to take over the world to Napoleon. This booklet is called "a dialogue in hell between Machiavelli and Montasque," or "Politics of the Nineteenth Century." These accusations were not at all directed towards the Jews and Judaism. However, the dialogue was adopted and transformed into the protocols of an imaginary group whose members were the world leaders of Judaism, attempting to take over the politics of various European countries.

Even the Czar himself, Nikolai the Second, although far from bearing the Jews any fond feelings, saw that the book was a fake and opposed its publication. Despite this, the first Russian edition appeared in 1905. A number of years later, other editions began to appear. Some of the editions were altered and corrected in order to make it possible to accuse the Jews of various catastrophes that took place between one edition and another. At various opportunities, it became the topic of public court cases, in which the book was proved to be a forgery. However, this of course did not check the book's growing popularity, particularly in the wake of the Nazi influence. The book influenced various writers, who were mistakenly taken in and convinced of its authenticity. Thus, for example, Henry Ford was inspired by "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to write "The International Jew," in which he continues these accusations. Various other books were written in its wake until recent years.

This is an example of a lie and forgery that the power of truth could not effectually surmount. This abominable book became a justification of Nazism and the genocide that followed in its wake. This is an example of the phenomena that we must deal with. Forgeries spread throughout the world, and people are convinced.


49c: Cinderella, part 3:


The book of Job represents the conflict between Judaism and the other central religions. Both Islam and Christianity, throughout the generations, have continually employed a claim in the anti-Jewish argument that can be termed "the exile proof." The success of these religions is seemingly a proof that God is on their side. I propose to prove the opposite theory, that it is the anti-hero who is God's ally.

Our forefathers knew that the exile was a trial to be overcome. The Jew refuses to accept the claims of his friends; he insists upon the justice of his path. This insistence has a sublimity to it, which is expressed in the Jewish existence in exile. The members of the Great Assembly recognized this when they coined the phrase we use in our prayers, "the great mighty and awesome God." When the prophets saw the destruction, they omitted parts of the formula one by one, and questioned His might and greatness. These omissions are built upon the approach that says that truth is revealed on the battlefield, or through political or financial success. The members of the Great Assembly re-instituted the authentic phrase "the great, mighty and awesome God" and claimed that paradoxically, through Jewish existence in exile, God's greatness and might are expressed. On the one hand, the irrational existence of the Jews in exile is the miraculous existence of one lamb among seventy wolves. Yet on the other hand, the exile expresses the fact that the Jewish people accepted the yoke of Heaven, not from a state where God made sure they lacked for nothing, not from a state of military success or financial abundance, but from poverty and suffering, without even the hope of change in the foreseeable future.

Cinderella's sisters found proof of their preferred status in their success. However, their success was, of course, helped by the sword. Christianity and Islam used the sword, and their covenant with the sword, to take over the world. Job, who worships God within his suffering, reaches the highest level of divine worship. Whenever Jews chose to suffer rather than utter the one traitorous word that could have altered their fate, it was a constant sanctification of God's name. Putting the Jewish people (and Job) through suffering was God's great gamble against Satan, and cosmically, their continued acceptance of God was a greater proof of the truth of Judaism than a triumph on the battlefield. This perhaps sounds surprising. However, if we would possess a consciousness of the truth, we would be able to understand the profound value of our exile and our suffering. It is for the lack of this consciousness of the truth that the king is justified in his criticism of the Jewish people; as the Chaver says, "You have found the place of my shame, King of Khazar" (1:115).

We are sometimes missing an awareness of the significance of the life that we live. We sometimes live with no awareness of our position and no understanding of what is really taking place in our lives. The Jew always knew that he could escape his fate by uttering one word, yet he refused to do it. We must be aware of this heroism, that we accepted our suffering out of love and longing for God. The Jew knows this, yet sometimes he does not know that he knows it.

Rihal teaches us that the suffering of the Jews in exile was a sacrifice for the sake of the Torah. It was a life of martyrdom, the highest level exalted by the Christians and Moslems. Rihal reiterated the principle (2:34, 4:22) that many of the values extolled in Christian and Moslem theology are Jewish values that were fulfilled by the Jewish people. The most obvious example is the section in Yishayahu (52:13-53-12) that speaks of the suffering servant of God. God's suffering servant is actually the Jewish people. The Christians applied this section to their Messiah. Rihal restores the section to its authentic meaning.

Rihal fought against a phenomenon that can be termed stolen identity. The phenomenon has many levels. Christianity claimed to be the true Israel. Islam claimed that the Koran is the authentic holy writ. Our return to the land of Israel was accompanied by a similar process. The Palestinian charter is a reworking of the principles of Zionism.

Despite this re-evaluation of suffering, there is no doubt that it is impossible to discuss history without also speaking from the perspective of chapter 42 of Job. Judaism believes that redemption is assured. It is not possible that God will suffer evil forever. However, we are discussing reality from the perspective of an earlier chapter. We don't have the perspective of the ending. Our generation must view itself as fortunate because we can read the first few verses of the final chapter, the first glimmerings of redemption. We see the course of history changing. Rihal, in contrast, lived at a low point of Jewish history, when the Christians and the Moslems were at the height of their power. Each ruled over half the world and claimed that their success was an expression of divine blessing. Judaism is Job's great gamble against his friends. It is the gamble of the sufferer when redemption is beyond the scope of his horizon. The response of Job/the Jewish people is "Even if He kills me, I still hope to Him" (13:15), and at the same time, "I will wait for [Messiah's] arrival every day."


49d: Cinderella, part 4:

Exile and Redemption

The faith in redemption is paramount in our theology. The Torah, stamped with divine truth, prophesies the redemption of the Jewish people. God has foreknowledge of world history. Therefore, we pray to Him to involve Him in our redemption.

Rihal teaches us that the process of world redemption continues to take place, even while the Jewish people are in exile. Divine providence functions in ways that are mysterious to us, and seem to bring about the complete opposite of redemption. Rihal and the Rambam after him (Rambam, laws of kings, chapter 11), teach us that the mysterious workings of divine providence stand behind the success of Christianity and Islam as well. The message of Judaism was spread to the ends of the earth through these messengers. Thus Rabbi Abraham, son of the Rambam writes in his father's name:

"By keeping my Torah, you will be world leaders, your relation to them as that of a priest to his flock, the world will follow in your footsteps and imitate your actions and follow your paths. This is the explanation I received from my father of blessed memory." (Rabbi Abraham son of the Rambam, commentary on Bereshit and Shemot)

This idea is repeated in Rabbi Bachya ben Asher's "Kad Kemach:"

"And the reason for the dispersion in my opinion...is that the Jews be spread among the nations...and they will teach them the belief in the existence of God and of the divine providence that hovers over every detail of human existence." (Kad Kemach, Redemption)

Later this idea was expressed by Rabbi Chayim ben Betzalel, brother of the Maharal. In his interpretation of the prophecy of Isaiah the servant of God he writes,

"And we may also explain: God wished to oppress the Jews and disperse them among the nations for the sake of the goodness of the other nations who are also the work of His hands; through the Jews who are dispersed throughout the world the true faith will also be spread throughout the world...for God desired the nations also to hold the true faith...for this reason they [the Jews] are called children of Yizrael, [literally, God will plant], for they are the seed that God planted throughout the world, like the person who plants his wheat and does not throw it down in one place but spreads it to all the edges of the fields, so the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the earth, so that through them the true faith would spread throughout the world. (The Book of Life, Book of Redemption and Salvation, chapter 7)

Exile is a trial, a trial that is part of a divine plan of history. However, the proof of the truth lies also in the ending of the book of Job, which closes, despite everything, with redemption. The key to understanding this ending lies in the verse that tells us that God "returned the exiles of Job" (Job 42:10). This verse loses its meaning if it does not create an association with other similar verses: "when God shall return the exiles of Zion...Return, O God, our exiles." The return of the sons and daughters of Job represents the return of the nation after the exile. The end of the book prophesies the redemption, and bears witness that despite everything, history owes a debt to the Jewish people. Ultimately, history will be altered, and the world will witness the redemption and the return.

We cannot think about the history of our ancestors in exile without an awareness of their greatness. However here too, thank God, our situation has changed. We, the modern successors of the Kuzari, must emphasize different things today. These are the ideas Rihal will teach us in the end of the fifth section of the Kuzari. We must understand that in our day the exile is a trap, and our attitude towards it must be one of repudiation and aliya (literally, going up) to Israel. The status of exile today can be summed up in one sentence: exile today is not a punishment, it is a sin.

The Dry Bones

Rihal discusses the question of the fate of the Jewish people in his discussion of the suffering of the individual (3:11). He teaches us that the meaning of suffering for the individual must reflect the meaning of the suffering of the group as well.

"For when the confusions of logic arouse in his heart the length of the exile and the dispersion of the people and the dwindling of their numbers - he must first comfort himself with accepting divinely proscribed fate as I have said, and then with the attempt to punish sins, and then with the reward and punishment which await in the World to Come and cleaving to the Divine Presence in this world."

A third stage is added to the first two responses to suffering. To the philosophical stage in which we accept the meaning of evil, we add the understanding of reward and punishment, and to these we add a third stage, the persuasion that the sufferings of the past build us up towards the future. This is true both with regard to the individual and the nation. To this Rihal adds:

"And if Satan brings him to despair by saying, "shall these bones live?" for our imprint among the nations has been greatly reduced and our memory is forgotten, as it is said, "our bones have dried up we have lost hope, we are doomed," he must think of the miracle of the exodus from Egypt...and then it will not seem impossible to him that we will return to our former state even when there will be only one person left of us, as it is written, "fear not, worm of Ya'akov." for what is left of man after he becomes a worm in his grave?"

Here we meet once again with Rihal the daring commentator. There are many ways that the term "worm of Ya'akov" is commonly explained. Particularly well known is the explanation of the Sages that, like the worm, our power is in our mouths. However, Rihal takes an amazing leap of interpretation here. He takes "worm of Ya'akov" to mean a worm on a dead body, the final sign of life. Despite it all, we will rise again.

Here we see, regarding both the individual and the nation, that suffering is first and foremost a trial. This is in essence Job's question. Job asks the question of suffering, and refuses to accept the standard philosophical answers. Yet, he believes. In next week's lecture, we will analyze the meaning and essence of this faith.....................49e: Cinderella, part 5:

Exile and Redemption


I would like to explain the meaning of Job's faith by means of a contrast between two situations in modern literature. I will bring the first example from a short story by a well-known author, who inherited the Jewish tradition from his parents' home. This tradition has not disappeared despite the power of the evil inclination. He himself is very aware of this struggle, and does not want to lose his Jewish roots. I am speaking of Isaac Bashevis Singer. I will refer to one of his stories, entitled "Zeidlus the First." Zeidlus is of course a Latin play on the Yiddish name Zeidel. Singer tells us of a man named Zeidel, a learned Jew whom Satan attempts to lead astray. All of his initial efforts fail. The regular temptations do not work on Zeidel. However, the temptation of pride is too strong for Zeidel to resist. How does one tempt a Jew with pride? If you convert, says Satan, you will go far; you will become Pope Zeidlus the First. Zeidel falls into the trap. However, his life does not turn out exactly the way Satan promised him.

Rabbi Nachman of Breslov teaches that Satan is like the person who shows a child his closed hand and promises, "if you do such and such I will give you what is in my hand." The child does what he is asked, and afterwards, when the hand opens, the child sees that it is empty.

We will not go into all of Zeidel's adventures. We will only say that he failed at everything, and when Satan appears at the moment of death to take his soul, and Zeidel sees him, he exclaims,

"Is it you Satan, angel of death?"
"Yes Zeidel," replies the Tempter, "I have come for you. And it won't help you to repent or confess, so don't try."
"Where are you taking me?" he asked.
"Straight to Gehenna."
"If there is a Gehenna, there is also a God," Zeidel said, his lips trembling.
"This proves nothing," I retorted.
"Yes it does," he said. "If Hell exists, everything exists. If you are real, He is real. Now take me to where I belong. I am ready."

This idea, of the discovery of God beyond evil, is completely opposed to a message that appears in one of Ingmar Bergman's "philosophical" films, "The Seventh Seal." In the film – which has a Christian background - a knight appears who asks the final questions, and in one of the dialogues of the film someone who has seen the angel of death claims that he looked into his eyes, but beyond them one could see nothing. In contrast to this, the meaning of the story of "Zeidlus the First" is that beyond evil one can see good. This is the great leap that we must take: the leap from the absurd into a meaningful existence.

The Torah concludes with a commandment to study a song and remember it from generation to generation, so that it will exist forever. This is the song of "Hearken" ("Ha'azinu"). The Torah explains that days will come when

"I will hide My face from them and they will be prey, and will be beset by many evils and troubles and they will say on that day, 'it is because my God is not with me that we have been beset by these evils'... And now, write this song for yourselves and teach it to the children of Israel, place it in their mouths, so that this song will be a witness for the Children of Israel." (Devarim 31:17-19)

A time of great suffering will come, and the nation will ask the question, is God indeed among us? Or in a more modern version, "Can one believe in God after Auschwitz?" The Torah commanded us to study this song, so that we will know that despite the pain and evil, God is with us. This is the song that comes to teach us that even in the midst of evil, God is with us.

"How can one [man] chase a thousand and two [men] pursue ten thousand, if their Rock had not sold them, and God had not trapped them." (Devarim 32:30)

Despite everything, the world is not left to its own devices. This is a prophetic promise given to us so that we will not give up hope.

And here I will dare to make the terrible leap, towards the eyes of the Angel of Death. In our generation we have learned something beyond what Rihal has taught us. We can learn about the truth, as Rihal said, from the fact that God revealed himself at Mount Sinai and chose the nation that He loves, the Chosen People, and gave them the Torah. However, to our sorrow, in history there is another way as well. If Satan appeared, and I was indeed certain that he was Satan, I could learn, paradoxically, from him, that the Chosen People are the nation that Satan recognizes and announces to be his enemy. History has shown us many anti-Semites, great and small. However, Satan himself was none other than Nazism. Nazism appeared and, pointing at the Jewish people, announced, "This is my enemy." We have learned that the Jewish people are the Chosen People - from the evidence given by Satan. Satan did not hate the Jews because we were opposed to his political ideas or because we disturbed his plans. The child and the old man, who were powerless to harm anyone, were also Satan's enemies. To some extent, the Holocaust was an Encounter at Auschwitz, parallel to the Encounter at Mount Sinai, in which Satan appeared and showed us the way to the great leap, the need to see beyond the empty eyes of the Angel of Death. Beyond them there is something else. It is not emptiness. Zeidlus the First was right: "If you are real, He is real."

The world understands this logic, even if only subconsciously. We can understand this if we analyze different reactions to the Holocaust. The anti-Semite complains that the Nazis did not finish the job. We are also familiar with the attempts of Nazi sympathizers who want to deny the Holocaust, and sometimes we hear both claims at once. This is one side of the range of responses. However, on the other side we hear more sophisticated denials. For many years we have been witnesses to an attempt, by the Poles for example, to deny the fact that the Jews were the victims of the Holocaust. However, the most evident attempt in this area is without a doubt the establishment of the Carmelite monastery at Auschwitz. Here we are faced with an attempt to rewrite history: Christianity was one of the victims of Auschwitz. The Church did this, for example, by making a Jewish convert to Christianity into a Christian saint. This is because, consciously or subconsciously, everyone whose conscience was not destroyed by Nazism understands that every honest person should have been at Auschwitz. There Satan made the selection. And whoever was not chosen by him to be wiped out, cannot possibly be the chosen one of God.

Cinderella and her sisters

Today we can understand this because of the perspective that we have on the first verses of the last chapter of the book of Job. From this perspective, which stems from a sense that we are at the beginning of the Redemption, we ought to reread the end of the story of Cinderella. How did Cinderella treat her sisters after her rise to greatness? I leave the reader to do his own homework, but I promise him that a look at the various versions will be very interesting. What God expects from Job is clear. God expects Job to pray for his friends who have constantly directed their arrows at him. This is a very difficult moral paradox. However, it helps us to understand the secret of the ending of the book. The redemption of Job represents the return of the Jewish people to their land. The verse actually uses the phrase "returned his exiles" (42:10), which is essentially a national term. Now we also understand another difficulty. His first children are lost to him, yet Job's comfort - a comfort that does not erase the pain - is in his second children. The Holocaust was an event that can never be forgotten, and we are left with problems that cannot be rationally explained away. However, now we see the return of Job's exiles, and the prayer that he wishes for the whole world: may sins, not sinners, be obliterated.

Job's friends, Cinderella's sisters, are the other religions that point an accusing finger at Job: Job, you are suffering, this is proof that you have sinned, this means that God has rejected you. The book ends with the meeting with the prince: "and God returned the exiles of Job" - this is the Redemption.


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Post  true lilly Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:54 am

IGNORE:
you DON'T have to scroll through "el kabong/billy" SPAM;
there IS AN IGNORE FUNCTION.

Likewise, you don't have to read my posts, no one does (but 'they' do Wink Smile),
but if you do chose to skip 'their' UN-SOURCED, LONG AGO BE-DUNKED,

cut & past ALL OVER THE NET, PRO-Religious WAR Propaganda,

you will see just how much OFF TOPIC TRASH 'they' throw in my threads,
by their names in a post heading, telling you 'they' DID IT AGAIN & AGAIN &..
Rolling Eyes ,
and then if you multiply it by those huge ranting, rambling blocks of letters are,
you'll have a pretty good idea of how important it is to 'them', that what I post,
REMAIN, BURIED and HIDDEN.


P.S. it will fix the problem retrospectively, you can go back and see,
just the posts of those posting what you haven't already seen,
shoved down your throat, on every, conspiracy, 'new age' woo woo
and political site, for years, and all making things worse.


P.P.S. the more 'they' suddenly SPAM,
the more important the preceding post/s was/were.
Wink Very Happy


P.P.P.S.
Evil or Very Mad BREIVIK, ASSANGE, WIKIleaks, WIKIpedia, DAVID ICKE,
i_am,
"Team tintin";
Cori, Billy Ruben, el kabong,
Ciggy,
amethyst, yass, nobodyswife, vasudha, ninny,
sean, tusme, ozpixie, thirdwave, measle_weasel,
merlincove, runlikehell, ownoiz, tinyint, jesuitsdidit
kun21, rodin, edelweiss, raginggran, ♥️WW♥️, Lyd, LilyAllen,
snoopsnuffleopagus,
Twisted Evil list NOT exhaustive.

And I see 'you' have been busy, REMOVING KEY POSTS,
that SHOW why "el kabong" is OBSESSED with posting
,
'histories', based ONLY on the DE-BUNKED, WAY TOO SHORT,
DENYING & IGNORING GOD'S WORD FROM THE BEGINNING
that DESCRIBES THE WHOLE WORLD, FROM THE BEGINNING,

"out of Egypy" "time-line" 'archeology' Rolling Eyes...

true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:I was hoping you'd have a laugh Lilly,you get so
much attention,and you're a severely non touch play around type
girl.That picture El Kabong posted definitely was'nt you,I mean,you
describe yourself as a little old lady,...You're only 50-51...Have you
heard of hot milf...No,I spose you have'nt...

Hmmmmmm,or was he
refering to a picture you used as a fund raiser and was pissed off to
find you were'nt the advertised material...?

Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia 233183
...oh please, give it up...yes, I still get hit on by men much younger...
no, I don't take up the offers...and..."I" am NOT The Topic...

...THIS IS...

true lilly wrote:
Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia Lilliput

Swift gives the location of Lilliput and Blefuscu as Latitude 30°2′S, to the northwest of Van Diemen's Land.
Because this area is actually occupied by Australia,


Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia Gulliverstravels

Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia 233183 Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia 93349 Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia 233183

And you're laughing at those who still refuse to see,
that The Conspiracy behind all conspiracies, is to hide
the real world evidences of the saving truth of God's Word,
from those who would not join God's Enemies (who KNOW
HE EXISTS and CAN'T LIE), while 'they've' plotted to try to,
'make Him a liar', by trying to take the land He described
and promised to His Faithful...???...that's 'funny' to you?

That's sad to me.

But, it is also something God warned us watch for, from the beginning.
Yet more evidence of the faithfulness of God's Word.
As He also told us He would hide and raise His own watchmen, Princes and Kings
to keep the reminders of the truth of His Word until the time God's Kingdom is,
re-established on this earth, from where the healing waters will flow, to heal,
not only Israel and Judah, but all the remaining of the Nations.

Which is very good news, for those with the ears to hear it, and,
the character of Spirit to repent of their worldly lusts, and willingly serve,
The Perfectly Just, Creator of Life.


REVELATIONS 22:2
In 1722 the midst 3319 of the street 4113 of it 846, and 2532 on either 2532 side 1782 1782 of the river 4215, [was there] the tree 3586 of life 2222, which bare 4160 twelve 1427 [manner of] fruits 2590, [and] yielded 591 her 846 fruit 2590 every 2596 1538 1520 month 3376: and 2532 the leaves 5444 of the tree 3586 [were] for 1519 the healing 2322 of the nations 1484.


ISAIAH 33:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top
1
Woe to you who are despoiling, without you yourself being despoiled,
and to you who are dealing treacherously, without [others] having dealt
treacherously with you! As soon as you have finished as a despoiler,
you will be despoiled. As soon as you have done with dealing treacherously,
they will deal treacherously with you.

2
O Jehovah, show us favor. In you we have hoped.
Become our arm every morning, yes, our salvation in the time of distress.
3
At the sound of turmoil peoples have fled.
At your arising nations have been dispersed.
4
And the spoil of YOU people will actually be gathered [like] the cockroaches
when gathering in, like the onrush of locust swarms that is rushing against one.
5
Jehovah will certainly be put on high, for he is residing in the height.
He must fill Zion with justice and righteousness.
6
And the trustworthiness of your times must prove
to be a wealth of salvations—wisdom and knowledge,
the fear of Jehovah, which is his treasure.

7
Look! Their very heroes have cried out in the street;
the very messengers of peace will weep bitterly.
8
The highways have been made desolate; the one
passing over the path has ceased. He has broken the covenant;
he has contemned the cities; he has taken no account of mortal man.
9
The land has gone mourning, has withered away.
Leb´a·non has become abashed; it has moldered.
Shar´on has become like the desert plain;
and Ba´shan and Car´mel are shaking off [their leaves].

10
“Now I will rise up,” says Jehovah, “now I will exalt myself;
now I will lift myself up.
11
YOU people conceive dried grass; YOU will give birth to stubble.
YOUR own spirit, as a fire, will eat YOU up.
12
And peoples must become as the burnings of lime.
As thorns cut away, they will be set ablaze even with fire.
13
Hear, YOU men who are far away, what I must do!
And know, YOU who are nearby, my mightiness.
14
In Zion the sinners have come to be in dread;
shivering has grabbed hold of the apostates:
‘Who of us can reside for any time with a devouring fire?
Who of us can reside for any time with long-lasting conflagrations?’

15
“There is one who is walking in continual righteousness and
speaking what is upright, who is rejecting the unjust gain from frauds,
who is shaking his hands clear from taking hold on a bribe,
who is stopping up his ear from listening to bloodshed, and who
is closing his eyes so as not to see what is bad.
16
He is the one that will reside on the heights themselves;
his secure height will be craggy places difficult to approach.
His own bread will certainly be given [him];
his water supply will be unfailing.”

17
A king in his handsomeness is what your eyes will behold;
they will see a land far away.
18
Your own heart will comment in low tones on a frightful thing:
“Where is the secretary? Where is the one that does the paying out?
Where is the one counting the towers?”
19
No insolent people will you see, a people too deep in language to listen to,
of a stammering tongue without [your] understanding.
20
Behold Zion, the town of our festal occasions!
Your own eyes will see Jerusalem an undisturbed abiding place,
a tent that no one will pack up. Never will its tent pins be pulled out,
and none of its ropes will be torn in two.
21
But there the Majestic One, Jehovah, will be for us a place of rivers, of wide canals.
On it no galley fleet will go, and no majestic ship will pass over it.
22
For Jehovah is our Judge, Jehovah is our Statute-giver,
Jehovah is our King; he himself will save us.

23
Your ropes must hang loose; their mast they will not hold firmly erect;
they have not spread a sail.
At that time even spoil in abundance will have to be divided up;
the lame ones themselves will actually take a big plunder.
24
And no resident will say: “I am sick.”
The people that are dwelling in [the land] will be those pardoned for their error.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top
(and please, do care to study the full, root, descriptive, poetic meanings,
of every blessing Word
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The friggon freemasons own this planet.

I'm just not the Godloving type.
That's why,
(unlike GOD'S FAITHFUL,
HIDDEN amongst those
YOU SO BITTERLY ENVY)
,
YOU ARE the
DEATH LOVING type
who HATES,

WISDOM and LIFE.


Psalms 5:1-12
To the director for Ne´hi·loth.
A melody of David.

1
To my sayings do give ear, O Jehovah;
Do understand my sighing.

2
Do pay attention to the sound of my cry for help,
O my King and my God, because to you I pray.

3
O Jehovah, in the morning you will hear my voice;
In the morning I shall address myself to you and be on the watch.

4
For you are not a God taking delight in wickedness;
No one bad may reside for any time with you.

5
No boasters may take their stand in front of your eyes.
You do hate all those practicing what is hurtful;

6
You will destroy those speaking a lie.
A man of bloodshed and deception Jehovah detests.

7
As for me, in the abundance of your loving-kindness
I shall come into your house,
I shall bow down toward your holy temple in fear of you.

8
O Jehovah, lead me in your righteousness by reason of my foes;
Make your way smooth before me.

9
For in their mouth there is nothing trustworthy;
Their inward part is adversity indeed.
Their throat is an opened burial place;
A smooth tongue they use.

10
God will certainly hold them guilty;
They will fall due to their own counsels.
In the multitude of their transgressions let there be a dispersing of them,
Because they have rebelled against you.

11
But all those taking refuge in you will rejoice;
To time indefinite they will cry out joyfully.

And you will block approach to them,
And those loving your name will exult in you.

12
For you yourself will bless anyone righteous, O Jehovah;
As with a large shield, with approval you will surround them.

...read on:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=5&v=1&t=KJV#top

PROVERBS 1 & 2
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#top
1
The proverbs of Sol´o·mon the son of David, the king of Israel,
2
for one to know wisdom and discipline, to discern the sayings of understanding,
3
to receive the discipline that gives insight, righteousness and judgment and uprightness,
4
to give to the inexperienced ones shrewdness, to a young man knowledge and thinking ability.

5
A wise person will listen and take in more instruction, and a man
of understanding is the one who acquires skillful direction,
6to understand a proverb and a puzzling saying, the words of wise persons and their riddles.
7
The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge. Wisdom and discipline are what mere fools have despised.

8
Listen, my son, to the discipline of your father, and do not forsake the law of your mother.
9
For they are a wreath of attractiveness to your head and a fine necklace to your throat.

10
My son, if sinners try to seduce you, do not consent.
11
If they keep saying: “Do go with us. Do let us
lie in ambush for blood. Do let us lie in concealment for the innocent
men without any cause.
12
Let us swallow them down alive just like She´ol, even whole, like those going down into a pit.
13
Let us find all sorts of precious valuables. Let us fill our houses with spoil.
14
Your lot you ought to cast in among us. Let there come to be just one bag belonging to all of us”—
15
my son, do not go in the way with them. Hold back your foot from their roadway.
16
For their feet are those that run to sheer badness, and they keep hastening to shed blood. 17
For it is for nothing that the net is spread before the eyes of anything owning wings.
18
Consequently they themselves lie in ambush for the very blood of these; they lie in concealment for their souls.
19
Thus are the paths of everyone making unjust profit. It takes away the very soul of its owners.

20
True wisdom itself keeps crying aloud in the very street. In the public squares it keeps giving forth its voice.
21
At the upper end of the noisy streets it calls out. At the entrances of the gates into the city it says its own sayings:

22
“How long will YOU inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience,
and [how long] must YOU ridiculers desire for yourselves outright
ridicule, and [how long] will YOU stupid ones keep hating knowledge?
23
Turn back at my reproof. Then to YOU I will cause my spirit to bubble forth; I will make my words known to YOU.

24
Because I have called out but YOU keep refusing, I have stretched out my hand but there is no one paying attention,
25
and YOU keep neglecting all my counsel, and my reproof YOU have not accepted,
26
I also, for my part, shall laugh at YOUR own disaster, I shall mock when what YOU dread comes,
27
when what YOU dread comes just like a storm, and YOUR own
disaster gets here just like a storm wind, when distress and hard times
come upon YOU.
28
At that time they will keep calling me, but I shall not answer;
they will keep looking for me, but they will not find me,
29
for the reason that they hated knowledge, and the fear of Jehovah they did not choose.
30
They did not consent to my counsel; they disrespected all my reproof.
31
So they will eat from the fruitage of their way, and they will be glutted with their own counsels.
32
For the renegading of the inexperienced ones is
what will kill them, and the easygoingness of the stupid is what will
destroy them.
33
As for the one listening to me, he will reside in security and be undisturbed from dread of calamity.”


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=2&v=1&t=KJV#top
1
My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself,
2
so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment;
3
if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself,
4
if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it,
5
in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God.

6
For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment.
7
And for the upright ones he will treasure up practical wisdom; for those walking in integrity he is a shield,
8
by observing the paths of judgment, and he will guard the very way of his loyal ones.
9
In that case you will understand righteousness and judgment and uprightness, the entire course of what is good.

10
When wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge itself becomes pleasant to your very soul,
11
thinking ability itself will keep guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you,
12
to deliver you from the bad way, from the man speaking perverse things,
13
from those leaving the paths of uprightness to walk in the ways of darkness,
14
from those who are rejoicing in doing bad, who are joyful in the perverse things of badness; 15
those whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their general course;
16
to deliver you from the strange woman, from the foreign woman who has made her own sayings smooth,
17
who is leaving the confidential friend of her youth and who has forgotten the very covenant of her God.
18
For down to death her house does sink and down to those impotent in death her tracks.
19
None of those having relations with her will come back, nor will they regain the paths of those living.

20
The purpose is that you may walk in the way of good people and that the paths of the righteous ones you may keep.
21
For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it.
22
As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth;
and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.


PSALMS 119: 85 to 128

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=119&v=85&t=KJV#85

PSALMS 119:2
Happy are those observing his reminders;
With all the heart they keep searching for him.


...and REPAIRING The SPIRITUAL Gates
through which, the faithful, returning,

may enter into GOD'S HOLY KINGDOM...

NEHEMIAH 1, 2
& 3

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Neh&c=1&t=KJV&q=NEHEMIAH
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Neh&c=2&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Neh&c=3&v=1&t=KJV


ISAIAH 41:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=41&v=1&t=KJV#top

PROVERBS 4: 18, 19

But the path 734 of the just 6662
[is] as the shining 5051 light 216,
that shineth 215 more 1980 and
more unto the perfect 3559 day 3117.
The way 1870 of the wicked 7563
[is] as darkness 653:
they know 3045 not
at what they stumble 3782 .

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=4&v=18&t=KJV#top

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PERU...pooped all over anything in Egypt...
...pooped all over Israel...Israel walked...and all that power...
dried up...then...even greater than all that was...everywhere,
all over the Americas...was built in OZ...then...in their human
pride...Israel forgot God...The Source of all that and more...and...
so...OZ was UTTERLY DEVASTATED...and Israel headed north...
and, scattered, mixed and mingled...over all the world...again...
to start re-gathering...some few hundred years ago...Back in...
The Home Land...promised...preserved...in O'Zion...to again...
better than ever...anywhere...anytime...Re-Plant & Re-Build...

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Ancient cave paintings in...not OZ...

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JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

Some theologies, e.g., ancient Epicureanism and modern Deism, believe in a god, or gods, but think they have nothing much to do with the world in which we live. Others, like Stoicism, believe that god, or “the divine,” or “the sacred” is simply a dimension of our world, so that “god” and the world end up being pretty much the same thing. Both of these can give birth to practical or theoretical atheism. The first can let its “god” get so far away that he disappears. This is what happened with Marx and Feuerbach in the nineteenth century, allowing the “absentee landlord” of eighteenth-century Deism to become simply an absentee. The second can get so used to various “gods” around the place that it ceases to care much about them. This is what happened with a good deal of ancient paganism in Greece and Rome, until, as Pliny wryly remarks, the arrival of Christianity stirred up pagans to a fresh devotion to their gods.[9]

The Jews believed in a quite different “god.” This god, YHWH, “the One Who Is,” the Sovereign One, was not simply the objectification of forces and drives within the world, but was the maker of all that exists. Several biblical books, or parts thereof, are devoted to exploring the difference between YHWH and the pagan idols: Daniel, Isaiah 40-55, and a good many Psalms spring obviously to mind. The theme is summed up in the Jewish daily prayer: “YHWH our God, YHWH is one!”[10]

Classic Jewish monotheism, then, believed that (a) there was one God, who created heaven and earth and who remained in close and dynamic relation with his creation; and that (b) this God had called Israel to be his special people. This twin belief, tested to the limit and beyond through Israel’s checkered career, was characteristically expressed through a particular narrative: the chosen people were also the rescued people, liberated from slavery in Egypt, marked out by the gift of Torah, established in their land, exiled because of disobedience, but promised a glorious return and final settlement. Jewish-style monotheism meant living in this story and trusting in this one true God, the God of creation and covenant, of Exodus and Return.

This God was utterly different from the pantheist’s “one god.” This is an important point to note: many, including many scholars, have blithely assumed that because Stoics and others talked about “one god” they were saying the same thing as the Jews. This God was also utterly different from the far-away ultra-transcendent gods of the Epicureans. Always active within his world, did he not feed the young ravens when they called upon him?[11]—he could be trusted to act more specifically on behalf of Israel. His eventual overthrow of pagan power at the political would be the revelation of his overthrow of the false gods of the nations. His vindication of his people, liberating them finally from all their oppressors, would also be the vindication of his own name and reputation. In justifying his people, he would himself be justified. In his righteousness, his covenant faithfulness, they would find their own.

This monotheism was never, in our period, an inner analysis of the being of the one God. It was always a way of saying, frequently at great risk: our God is the true God, and your gods are worthless idols. It was a way of holding on to hope. We can see the dynamic of this monotheism working its way out in the manifold crises of second-temple Judaism, with the Maccabees, Judas the Galilean, and above all the two wars of the late 60s and early 130s A.D. revealing how the creational and covenantal theology and worldview remained at work through the period and in different groups.

This God was both other than the world and continually active within it. The words “transcendent” and “immanent,” we should note, are pointers to this double belief, but do not clarify it much. Because this God is thus simultaneously other than his people and present with them, Jews of Jesus’ day had developed several ways of speaking about the activity of this God in which they attempted to hold together, because they dared not separate, these twin truths. Emboldened by deep-rooted traditions, they explored what appears to us a strange, swirling sense of a rhythm of mutual relations within the very being of the one God: a to-and-fro, a give-and-take, a command-and-obey, a sense of love poured out and love received. God’s Spirit broods over the waters, God’s Word goes forth to produce new life, God’s Law guides his people, God’s Presence or Glory dwells with them in fiery cloud, in tabernacle and temple. These four ways of speaking moved to and fro from metaphor to trembling reality-claim and back again. They enabled Jews to speak simultaneously of God’s sovereign supremacy and his intimate presence, of his unapproachable holiness and his self-giving compassionate love.

Best known of all is perhaps a fifth. God’s Wisdom is his handmaid in creation, the firstborn of his works, his chief of staff, his delight. God’s Wisdom is another way of talking about God present with his people in the checkered careers of the patriarchs and particularly in the events of the Exodus. Wisdom becomes closely aligned thereby with Torah and Shekinah.[12] Through the Lady Wisdom of Proverbs 1-8, the creator has fashioned everything, especially the human race. To embrace Wisdom is therefore to discover the secret of being truly human, of reflecting God’s image.[13]............................Out of all this, I have argued in various places that we can, as historians, properly reconstruct Jesus of Nazareth’s sense of vocation. We can study John the Baptist’s vocation, and Paul’s: why should we not study Jesus’? When we do so, we find that dozens and dozens of lines of inquiry converge to produce a well ordered, coherent, historically credible sense of vocation, emerging in central symbolic actions, hinted at in a hundred cryptic and teasing sayings. Jesus believed he was Israel’s Messiah, the one in whom Israel’s history was to be summed up. Jesus believed he would win the messianic victory over the real enemy and would build the true messianic temple through taking Israel’s fate upon himself and going to the cross. Jesus believed that in doing so he was not just pointing to or talking about, but was actually embodying, the return of YHWH to Zion. These, though striking and startling, emerge from the world of Second Temple Judaism like the flower growing suddenly out of the plant. They were not expected, but upon inspection this is where they belonged. All the elements of the package were around somewhere in the culture. They are not, repeat not, a retrojection of later Christian theology, not even of later NT theology, which by and large developed in other legitimate ways. They are only credible, but they are totally credible, as the historically reconstructed mindset of Jesus himself. And they form, not the substance of later atonement and incarnational theology, but its historical starting point.

...............................



I have argued elsewhere that a central feature of Jewish expectation, and kingdom expectation at that, in Jesus’ time was the hope that YHWH would return in person to Zion. Having abandoned Jerusalem at the time of the exile, his return was delayed, but he would come back at last. Within this context, someone who told cryptic stories about a king or a master who went away, left his servants with tasks to perform, and then returned to see how they were getting on must—not “might,” must point to this controlling, over-arching metanarrative. Of course, the later Church, forgetting the first century Jewish context, read such stories as though they were originally about Jesus himself going away and then returning in a “second coming.” Of course, cautious scholars noticing this, deny that Jesus would have said such things. I propose that here at the heart of Jesus’ work, and at the moment of its climax, Jesus not only told stories about the king, who came back to Zion to judge and to save. He acted as though he thought the stories were coming true in what he himself was accomplishing. This is the context, at last, in which I think it best to approach the question with which this essay began.........................................And Jesus seems to have believed it about himself. The language was deeply coded, but the symbolic action was not. He was coming to Zion, doing what YHWH had promised to do. He explained his action with riddles all pointing in the same direction. Recognize this, and you start to see it all over the place, especially in parables and actions whose other layers have preoccupied us. Why, after all, does Jesus tell a story about a yearning father in order to account for his own behavior?[36] It is this that also accounts for his sovereign attitude to Torah, his speaking on behalf of Wisdom, and his announcement of forgiveness of sins.[37] By themselves none of these would be conclusive. Even if they are allowed to stand as words and actions of Jesus, they remain cryptic. But predicate them of the same young man who is then on his way to Jerusalem to confront the powers that be with the message and the action of the kingdom of God and who tells stories as he does which are best interpreted as stories of YHWH returning to Zion, then you have reached. I believe, the deep heart of Jesus’ own sense of vocation. He believed himself called to do and be what in the scriptures only Israel’s God did and was.

..................................What are we therefore saying about the earthly Jesus? In Jesus himself, I suggest we see the biblical portrait of YHWH come to life: the loving God, rolling up his sleeves (Isa 52:10) to do in person the job that no one else could do, the creator God giving new life the God who works through his created world and supremely through his human creatures, the faithful God dwelling in the midst of his people, the stern and tender God relentlessly opposed to all that destroys or distorts the good creation, and especially human beings, but recklessly loving all those in need and distress. “He shall feed his flock like a shepherd; he shall carry the lambs in his arms; and gently lead those that are with young” (Isa 40:11). It is the OT portrait of YHWH, but it fits Jesus like a glove. ...............
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Apparently you don't know shit about 'ZION'.
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http://mashiyach.com/

The Kingdom of Elohim is represented by Tsiyon (pronounced Tsee-yone or Zion in English), a literal place in Jerusalem, that symbolizes a spiritual place, the seat of Mashiyach's government on this earth. Originally Zion was a small location in Jerusalem, then it became a code name for the whole city of Jerusalem.



For it is said in the Scripture, “Behold, in Tsiyon I lay a chosen and precious stone for the head of the corner; and whoever believes in him will not be ashamed.” On you therefore who believe is this honor conferred: but to them who do not believe “he is a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” And they stumble at it because they believe not the Word from where they were appointed. But you are an elect race, officiating as priests of the Kingdom; a Set Apart people, a redeemed congregation; that you should proclaim the praises of him who called you out of darkness to his precious light: who formerly were not counted as a people but now are the people of Elohim; and also, there were (once) no mercies on you but now mercies are poured out upon you. My beloved, I entreat you as strangers and pilgrims, separate yourselves from all lusts of the body, for they war against the soul. And let your behavior be honorable before all men; so that they who utter evil speeches against you, may see your good actions and may praise Elohim in the day of trial. And be submissive to all the sons of men, for Elohim’s sake; to kings, on account of their authority; and to judges because they are sent by him for the punishment of offenders, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of Elohim, that by your good deeds you may stop the mouth of the foolish who do not know Elohim: As free men, you are not like men who make their freedom a cloak for their wickedness, but as the servants of Elohim. 1 Peter 2:6-16




Throughout Scripture we read of a Kingdom that is not of this earth, but it is shaped from the pattern that is in Heaven. The tabernacle in the wilderness was built according to the specifications that YHWH gave to Moses and within that tabernacle, each of the physical elements are symbols of the spiritual or heavenly Kingdom. It is also interesting to note that Zion is mentioned in 153 verses in the Tanakh... this is the same number of fish the disciples caught in John 21:11. The symbolism is clear, Yeshua taught his disciples how to build the Kingdom of Heaven, as opposed to a religion "about" the Kingdom of Heaven, a very big difference.



We are being trained to know what Tsiyon is, and what it is not. No religion or people's groups have exclusive rights to Tsiyon, it belongs to the people of Mashiyach regardless of religion, race, color or creed. The Government of Tsiyon is on the shoulder of Mashiyach. Mashiyach is returning to the Mount of Olives from whence he departed, but this time round Scripture tells us he will be Mashiyach Ben David a much different scenario than when he first came to earth.



There is the Israel of Elohim (spiritual) and there is the other kingdom of Israel of the flesh. Not all who are Israel of the flesh are the Israel of Elohim. If we can look at Jews, Christians or Muslims without judging them by their religion or race, then we are getting closer to ZION, as how it is revealed in Mashiyach. The Kingdom of Elohim is a government, NOT a religion.



Tsiyon is also the place in our neshama (spirit) where we connect with Mashiyach where our heart receives and gives love for all of Creation, where we can see all others through the eyes of Mashiyach and carry no prejudice towards anyone. The Kingdom is within us, it is not an external government or religion.


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You're claim that Israel is an insignificant strip of sand illuminates your ignorance. Israel is the Left/Western Arm of the fertile Crescent..........the Israelites have even made the southern desert areas bloom due to hard work, a foreign concept to you. thumbs up

http://www.zionism-israel.com/

What is Zionism?
Zionism is the political movement that is implementing the national liberation of the Jewish people. It is based on the assertion that the Jewish people, like any other people, has the right to self-determination; Jews have a right to a national home in their historic homeland. Zionism has made a reality of the "impossible" project of restoration of the Jewish people to our homeland, after nearly 2,000 years of exile. The work of Zionism is far from complete, however.

Zionism has always been a part of Judaism
The ideological and cultural foundations of Zionism have always been present in Jewish tradition. Jews always thought of themselves as a nation or people. The concept of "am Yisrael" - the "people of Israel" or "nation of Israel," has been inherent in Jewish culture from ancient times. Jewish cultural and religious life always centered around the land of Israel. This did not change during two millennia of dispersion.




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Post  MoMo Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:10 am

Mizraim means Egypt. Zion is Israel, NOT Australia thumbs up

Europe is a LARGER Continent then Australia. As a matter of FACT; Australia is the SMALLEST/RUNT Continent. And as large it may be, the size of your EGO makes it uncomfortably confining. But hey, that's only one of your many lies and deceptions. Let's talk about Mizraim, the Hebrew word for Egypt. You say it isn't. Where is your credentialed support for your ignorant nonsense? thumbs up

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Mizraim.html

Meaning and etymology of the name Mizraim
Mizraim


Mizraim is a son of Ham, son of Noah (Genesis 12:10). This name is also the common name for Egypt (which is also known as 'the land of Ham,', for instance in Psalm 105:23).

Egypt was known by the names Musuru, Musru, Misir or Masri in other languages, and Mizraim is probably simply a phonetic transliteration into Hebrew of any of them. The word looks identical to what a dual form of would look like (see below). This duality possibly helped to denote Upper and Lower Egypt. The word for Egyptian is .

The similar (masor), a poetic nickname for Egypt that is used on three different occasions (Isaiah 19:6, 2 Kings 19:24 = Isaiah 37:25, Micah 7:12), may shed some understanding on how a Hebrew audience might have interpreted the name Mizraim.

The noun (masor) means siege, entrenchment, and it derives from the verb (sur), bind, besiege. Another derivation of this same verb is the noun , stronghold. HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament notes that a stronghold or walled city may be an instrument of protection during the first stages of a war, but will turn into a lethal trap if a siege last long. A beautiful figurative use of this word occurs in Psalm 31:21, where the author compares himself under siege by his troubles.

The verb from which the noun derives, is part of a group of five different roots. These roots all have different linguistic sources but were perhaps readily incorporated into the Hebrew language due to similar or related meanings, more or less:
(swr) is the assumed root of the words (sawwar), neck and (sawwaron), necklace. The neck is simply a part of the body, but figuratively it is used as seat of strength (Job 39:19) and subsequently as target of defeat (by the placing of the victor's foot on the neck of the conquered - Joshua 10:24). The similarity between a necklace and a besieging army is obvious.
The verb (sur) means to bind or besiege; referred to above.
The verb (sur) means show hostility to, be an adversary. According to BDB Theological Dictionary and HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, this verb is probably a by-form of (sarar), see below.
The verb (sur) means to form or fashion. According to HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, this verb is possibly a by-form of (yasar), form or fashion.
The noun (sur) does not occur in the Bible, but is probably related to words in cognate languages that mean rock or hill. A derivative that does occur in the Bible is (sur), the common Biblical word for rock. BDB Theological Dictionary suggests relations with (sara), see below.

The words and are linguistically closely related. Their respective meanings also shows much kinship:
The verb (sarar) means to bind, be narrow/ confined, be in distress. Derivatives are: (sar), narrow, tight; (sar), distress; (sara), straights, distress; (sarar), suffer distress; (seror), bundle; (mesar), straights, distress. The latter word written in a dual form would yield the name , Mizraim. Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names assumed that this is what Mizraim would have meant to a Hebrew audience and reads Double Distress.
The verb (sarar) means show hostility towards. Derivation (sar) means adversary.
The assumed root (srr) is unused in the Bible but in Arabic it means be sharp. Its common derivative is (sar), pebble, flint.

The name Mizraim means Double Distress or Double Stronghold.



Bible Dictionary

Mizraim definition


the dual form of matzor, meaning a "mound" or "fortress," the name of a people descended from Ham (Gen. 10:6, 13; 1 Chr. 1:8, 11). It was the name generally given by the Hebrews to the land of Egypt (q.v.), and may denote the two Egypts, the Upper and the Lower. The modern Arabic name for Egypt is Muzr.


Mizraim From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim
Mizraim (Hebrew: מִצְרַיִם / מִצְרָיִם, Modern Mitzráyim Tiberian Miṣrāyim / Miṣráyim ; cf. Arabic مصر, Miṣr) is the Hebrew name for the land of Egypt, with the dual suffix -āyim, perhaps referring to the "two Egypts": Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt.

Ugaritic inscriptions refer to Egypt as Msrm, in the Amarna tablets it is called Misri, and Assyrian and Babylonian records called Egypt Musur and Musri. The Arabic word for Egypt is Misr (pronounced Masr in Egyptian colloquial Arabic), and Egypt's official name is Gumhuriyah Misr al-'Arabiyah (the Arab Republic of Egypt).

According to Genesis 10, Mizraim (a son of Ham) was the younger brother of Cush and elder brother of Phut and Canaan, whose families together made up the Hamite branch of Noah's descendants. Mizraim's sons were Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, Casluhim (out of whom came Philistim), and Caphtorim.[1]

According to Eusebius' Chronicon, Manetho had suggested that the great age of antiquity in which the later Egyptians boasted had actually preceded the flood, and that they were really descended from Mizraim, who settled there anew. A similar story is related by medieval Islamic historians such as Sibt ibn al-Jawzi, the Egyptian Ibn Abd-el-Hakem, and the Persians al-Tabari and Muhammad Khwandamir, stating that the pyramids, etc. had been built by the wicked races before the deluge, but that Noah's descendant Mizraim (Masar or Mesr) was entrusted with reoccupying the region afterward. The Islamic accounts also make Masar the son of a Bansar or Beisar and grandson of Ham, rather than a direct son of Ham, and add that he lived to the age of 700. Some scholars think it likely that Mizraim is a dual form of the word Misr meaning "land", and was translated literally into Ancient Egyptian as Ta-Wy (the Two Lands) by early pharaohs at Thebes, who later founded the Middle Kingdom.

But according to George Syncellus, the Book of Sothis, supposedly by Manetho, had identified Mizraim with the legendary first pharaoh Menes, said to have unified the Old Kingdom and built Memphis. Misraim also seems to correspond to Misor, said in Phoenician mythology to have been father of Taautus who was given Egypt, and later scholars noticed that this also recalls Menes, whose son or successor was said to be Athothis.

In Judaism, Mitzrayim has been connected with the word meitzar (מיצר), meaning "sea strait", possibly alluding to narrow gulfs from both sides of Sinai peninsula. It also can mean "boundaries, limits, restrictions" or "narrow place".[citation needed]

However, author David Rohl has suggested a different interpretation: "Amongst the followers of Meskiagkasher [Cush] was his younger 'brother' -- in his own right a strong and charismatic leader of men. He is the head of the falcon tribe -- the descendants of Horus the 'Far Distant'. The Bible calls this new Horus-king 'Mizraim' but this name is, in reality, no more than an epithet. It means 'follower of Asr' or 'Asar' (Arabic m-asr with the Egyptian preposition m 'from'). Mizraim is merely m-Izra with the majestic plural ending 'im'. Likewise, that other great Semitic-speaking people -- the Assyrians -- called the country of the pharaohs 'Musri' (m-Usri)." [2]


Genesis 10 - The Table of Nations
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0110.htm
The tenth chapter of Genesis . . . stands absolutely alone in ancient literature, without a remote parallel, even among the Greeks, where we find the closest approach to a distribution of peoples in genealogical framework . . . The Table of Nations remains an astonishing accurate document. (William F. Albright, cited in Boice)

A. The descendants of Japheth.

1. (1) The three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

2. (2) The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

a. The sons of Japheth: He was the father of the Indo-European peoples, those stretching from India to the shores of Western Europe. They are each linked by linguistic similarities that often seem invisible to the layman but are much more obvious to the linguist.

b. Gomer: From this son of Japheth came the Germanic peoples, from whom came most of the original peoples of Western Europe. These include the original French, Spanish, and Celtic settlers.

c. Magog . . . Tubal, Meshech: These settled in the far north of Europe and became the Russian peoples.

d. Madai: From this son of Japheth came the ancient Medes and they populated what are now Iran and Iraq. The peoples of India also came from this branch of Japheth’s family.

e. Javan: From this son of Japheth came the ancient Greeks, whose sea-faring ways are described in Genesis 10:5.

3. (3) The sons of Gomer.

The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

a. Ashkenaz: From this son of Gomer came the peoples who settled north of Judea into what we call the Fertile Crescent.

b. Togarmah: From this son of Gomer came the Armenians.

4. (4-5) The sons of Javan (the ancient Greeks).

The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

a. The sons of Javan were: Geographic names that spring from these names in this chapter abound. Linguists have no trouble seeing the connection between Kittim and Cyprus, Rodanim and Rhodes, Gomer and Germany, Meschech and Moscow, Tubal and Tobolsk.

B. The descendants of Ham.

1. (6) The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

a. Ham: The descendants of Ham are the peoples who populated Africa and the Far East.

b. Cush: Apparently, this family divided into two branches early. Some founded Babylon (notably, Nimrod) and others founded Ethiopia.

c. Mizraim: This is another way the Bible refers to Egypt. Put refers to Libya, the region of North Africa west of Egypt. Canaan refers to the peoples who originally settled the land we today think of as Israel and its surrounding regions.
2. (7-12) The sons of Cush.

The sons of Cush were Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan. Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.” And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. From that land he went to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (that is the principal city).



a. Cush begot Nimrod: One son of Cush worthy of note is Nimrod. He was a mighty one on the earth, but not in a good way. He ruled over Babel, which was the first organized rebellion of humans against God. The name Nimrod itself means, “let us rebel.”



b. Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord: The context shows that this is not a compliment of Nimrod. The idea is that Nimrod was an offense before the face of God.



i. “This is not talking about Nimrod’s ability to hunt wild game. He was not a hunter of animals. He was a hunter of men - a warrior. It was through his ability to fight and kill and rule ruthlessly that his kingdom of the Euphrates valley city states was consolidated.” (Boice)



ii. A Jerusalem Targum says: “He was powerful in hunting and in wickedness before the Lord, for he was a hunter of the sons of men, and he said to them, ‘Depart from the judgment of the Lord, and adhere to the judgment of Nimrod!’ Therefore it is said: ‘As Nimrod the strong one, strong in hunting, and in wickedness before the Lord.’ ”



iii. Ginzberg quotes from a Jewish legend: “The great success that attended all of Nimrod’s undertakings produced a sinister effect. Men no longer trusted in God, but rather in their own prowess and ability, an attitude to which Nimrod tried to convert the whole world.”

iv. “Hence it is likely that Nimrod, having acquired power, used it in tyranny and oppression; and by rapine and violence founded the domination which was the first distinguished by the name of a kingdom on the face of the earth. How many kingdoms have been founded in the same way, in various ages and nations from that time to the present! From the Nimrods of the earth, God deliver the world!” (Clarke)

3. (13-14) The sons of Mizraim.

Mizraim begot Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim (from whom came the Philistines and Caphtorim).

4. (15-19) The sons of Canaan.

Canaan begot Sidon his firstborn, and Heth; the Jebusite, the Amorite, and the Girgashite; the Hivite, the Arkite, and the Sinite; the Arvadite, the Zemarite, and the Hamathite. Afterward the families of the Canaanites were dispersed. And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon as you go toward Gerar, as far as Gaza; then as you go toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.

a. Canaan begot Sidon: The family of Sidon, the son of Canaan, went north and is related to the Hittites and Lebanese.

b. And the Sinite: Many people believe the Oriental peoples descended from the Sinites.

5. (20) The spread of the descendants of Ham.

These were the sons of Ham, according to their families, according to their languages, in their lands and in their nations.

C. The descendants of Shem.

1. (21-22) The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram.

And children were born also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder. The sons of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram.

a. Children were born also to Shem: From Shem comes Elam, who was an ancestor to the Persian peoples; Asshur, who was the father of the Assyrians; Lud was father to the Lydians who lived for a time in Asia Minor; and Aram was father to the Arameans, who we also know as the Syrians. Arphaxad was the ancestor to Abram and the Hebrews.

2. (23) The sons of Aram.

The sons of Aram were Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash.

a. Uz: Later, a region in Arabia was named after this son of Aram.

Job came from the land of Uz (Job 1:1).

3. (24-30) The sons and descendants of Arphaxad.

Arphaxad begot Salah, and Salah begot Eber. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. Joktan begot Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal, Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan. And their dwelling place was from Mesha as you go toward Sephar, the mountain of the east.

a. All these were the sons of Joktan: The names under the son of Joktan (son of Eber, son of Salah, son of Arphaxad) are all associated with various Arabic peoples.

b. And Jobab: The one named Jobab may be the one we know as Job in the Old Testament.

4. (31) The spread of the descendants of Shem.

These were the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, in their lands, according to their nations.
5. (32) Summary statement: the nations after the flood.

These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.

a. “Hence one must consider this chapter of Genesis a mirror in which to discern that we human beings are, namely, creatures so marred by sin that we have no knowledge of our own origin, not even of God Himself, our Creator, unless the Word of God reveals these sparks of divine light to us from afar . . . This knowledge the Holy Scriptures reveal to us. Those who are without them live in error, uncertainty, and boundless ungodliness; for they have no knowledge about who they are and whence they came.” (Luther, cited in Boice)
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You also deceive about the Replacement/Superssessionism Theology......This is Strike 3 and a few more to go. thumbs up

http://www.biblestudyproject.org/israel3.1-replacement-theology-messianic.htm

The Truth

We believe Israel is God's special people, distinct from the body of Messiah, chosen by Him to be a holy nation and a Kingdom of priests. The election of Israel is irrevocable. . . . We believe the Abrahamic Covenant is an irrevocable, unconditional covenant God made with Jewish people. This covenant provides title to the land of Israel for the Jewish people and promises a descendant (the Messiah) who would come to redeem Israel and bless the entire world. The spiritual blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant overflow to all the nations. God will ultimately fulfill every aspect of the covenant in the Messianic Kingdom, both physical and spiritual. . . .
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Your LIE!!!!!!!

A. SUPERSESSIONISM OR REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

The meaning of this doctrine is that the church superseded or replaced Israel as God's covenant people. The three claims presented under this heading are:
1. God has rejected Israel,
2. the church has replaced Israel as God's covenant people, and
3. the church is therefore spiritual Israel.

If God has rejected Israel, then that clears the way for a replacement people; and if that people is the church, then the church may be considered spiritual Israel. It is also conceivable that some who believe that Israel is still God's covenant people would consider the church spiritual Israel because it is composed of people whose spirits have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. We will now hold the light of Scripture to these claims and possibilities.
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Paul follows his emphatic response with, for I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. . . . What is his point? If God had rejected Israel as His covenant people, then every Israelite would be disqualified from the possibility of being saved; yet he is an Israelite who is saved, and that proves that God has not rejected His people.

To sum up, we have noticed two proofs that God has not rejected Israel as His covenant people:
1. By the very meaning of May it never be! in the way that Paul used it in different contexts.
2. By the fact that Paul was a saved Israelite.


Nevertheless, we'll address several passages that need clarification.

b. Romans 11:1-5

1. I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? 3. "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE." 4. But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL." 5. In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice.



Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

These are serious errors/deformations in your Theology and Worldview. What do you have to say for yourself. You gibber on and on about being persecuted yet you, yourself; are the persecuter. You lie about the Jews and their Sacred scriptures and you attempt to steal their identity and destiny, without being able to read/write Hebrew. Your ignorance and hubris is appalling Capiche? thumbs up


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Post  sharky Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:54 am

Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland


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This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche? wave

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm wave

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http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

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Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.



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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, Lying Lilly Queen of the Bullshitters from Runt Australia 1104-3 flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?
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Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat wave and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)


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I was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5 days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me away after the hoax rape fiasco.

Of course I was sane,even the nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt with a patient a victim of the same group.

But don't say I didn't warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.

Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.

And I know you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.

Now,enjoy the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I love you.

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And when you decide to take a long stroll or go shopping,it's best to have every time-table for buses and trains,like I did.I escaped and went home for bongs,sex and real food.And a shower I did'nt need to wear footwear in.Seeing this horrible old 70 year old,squashing a shit down the drain hole of the shower.I was disgusted.Lock your shower door,or the fat brunette,who offered me free rent and a share in her house,came running in,sucking on my flaccid penis,the shampoo,blinding me at the very right second,almost,comical.I was scared of her.And always knock,before you enter any room,this horrible looking man,said I'm the Butterfly,just as hs started to ejaculate all over the back of the door from fast and furious wanking...be warned.It's gonna be fun.

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Billy Ruben wrote:Keep credit cards,ATM savings cards and all electronic ways of getting money,home,or hidden in your pants.They usually keep it in a safe and only allow you $15 a day back in 2002.Do not wear jewellery,rings,wedding or any sort.Keep valuables at home,or safety deposit box.




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and keep your stupid fucking beliefs to yourself,OK...





Billy Ruben wrote:There is a forum admin here,named Sod/Julian.He's over 35,looks like a demonic version of Sting,Pommy (English),loves a night on the booze and drugs,which on average,makes him a lazy bastard.Like most western men are.Spoilt fuckin' rotten I say.But he'll find his runners,when he's conscripted for Asian battlefields,soon enough.I mean,if the bastard could use an iron lung to assist breathing,he would.It means,he hardly ever moderates,bit picky on who he answers PM's,real bitch.

However,there is a very skilled,rather energetic,smart and sassy,unbiased world wide women here,named Tiswas.

She's spiritual,understanding,gives good debates and I believe,quite unbiased in all matters concerning Icke.Offers the olive branch to those who foolishly,troll and attempt to sway her to the dark side.

This rare lady of light,with all her wisdom and knowledge,would be a great assett to the forums administration and I believe she is the answer to cleaning up the spam wars we have here,for which I trully,hand on heart apologise for my own involvement.

I hope the current admin,the one who needs a iron lung to breathe,maybe consider this idea as one of the few rare instances that I could conceive,that has a small amount of merit.

If anyone feels the idea should be lobbied to our admin,please raise your concerns here.

Thankyou to the forum for your time and consideration,yours sincerely,Billy Ruben.


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Billy Ruben wrote:I am sure,in the name of freedom of speech,that Droike,Marpat and True Lilly,their futures would be safe,in the hands of Tiswas.

Not so with Mr Ruben,who would Nazi there arses and relegate them to a new sub-forum,called The Gas Chamber.

Be lucky,that true lights like Tiswas exist.

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For I stand for Half-Caste pride,a Nazi and proud of it!!!!


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Billy Ruben wrote:http://zoophilia-story.info/Women-with-dogs/My-Wifes-First-Dog.html

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My Wife's First Dog

Women with dogs stories
Story's fetishes: zoophilia, bestiality, voyeur.


My wife and I have been happily married for over ten years now. She is in her early thirties and me, well I'm forty now. Anyway, we have a great sex life and don't have any children. She is small, only 5'2", about 105 lbs, and built very well for her small frame. We will call her Amy for now; the name has been changed to protect the innocent.

We got Internet service about a year and a half ago. As many men do, I was surfing the net one night, looking for all those porn sites, and came across some "animal sex" sites. I had never seen anything like this in my life! I was so turned on by it, the dogs, horses and donkeys fucking women. And these women were sucking, fucking and drinking hot animal cum! It was making me so horny, I was going insane with lust.

Anyway, Amy came by the computer one night as I was looking at a woman giving a horse a blowjob, and gagging on all the horse cum. She said she thought that was sick and I was a pervert for looking at such sick behavior. I tried to get her to get into it, but she was not interested at all. From that point on, I was really careful not to let her catch me surfing the beast sites.

After many a night looking at all those animal scenes, it made so horny I could hardly contain myself. I started fantasizing about Amy and a big dog, I don't know why, but the thoughts of her with a big dog cock in her tight little pussy drove me nuts! I started to wish that I could talk her into it somehow. I didn't ever want to share her with another man, and wouldn't ever consider that, but a big dog, that really made me mad with lust.

I didn't think that it would ever happen, considering how she felt about the pictures she had seen on the net.

It just so happened that one day, a few months later, that new neighbors moved in across the street. We live in a nice middle class neighborhood and we wanted to welcome them to the neighborhood. We went over, after they had time to settle in, and just said hi and let them know we had a good friendly neighborhood here.

To my surprise, a big black lab made his way out of the house and came over and started to wag his tail, and looked very friendly. His name was "Blackjack" and he was about 2 years old and about 100 lb. Our neighbors, Terri and Jack said he was very smart and a friendly dog. We made small talk and then went on our way.

Every now and then we would go over and play cards or just grill out back and we invited them over a few times, just so we could all get to know each other. They were about the same age as we are, so we got along pretty well. Not great close friends by any means, just more or less friends.

Well, about 3 months later, Terri and Jack had to go out of town for a few days and didn't want to board Blackjack, so we volunteered to keep him while they were gone. They left the instructions on feeding, and all that stuff. He was a good dog and I had fun throwing a ball and him chasing it and so on.

They left on their trip, we kept Blackjack in the house, out in the sun room most of the time, where he could look outside and let him out to play during the day.

That night we put him in the sun room and we settled down for a quiet night at home, little did we know it wasn't going to be so quiet after all.

After a few drinks, we got "in the mood" and started the foreplay. Amy pulled off her sweatshirt and pants, and she had nothing else on, I'm sure she had planned this all along. Amy is so hot and sexy, tight little ass, her blond little patch of pubic hair, and perky little tits. She was so horny from the wine. We got hotter and hotter, I had my fingers in her little pussy, and she was dripping all over my fingers. About the time we were really into the foreplay, Blackjack started to howl and carry on. I don't know if he knew what we were doing and wanted in on the action or what, but he wouldn't shut up. He just kept on and on; it was very distracting.

Finally, I said, "I have to go shut up that dog".

I went out to the sun room and he was standing there waging his tail and looking up at me, like what were you guys doing out there? I reached down to pet his head, forgetting that the scent of Amy's pussy was still on my hands. He went wild licking my fingers; I could see that he really liked the taste. I also saw that he was getting aroused, his big cock was sticking out a little from its sheath. Blackjack licked all the pussy juices off my fingers, so I decided to try a little deception on Amy. I left the door open just a little and told Blackjack "to stay".

I went back to the den where Amy was finishing off another glass of wine, by this time she was getting really blasted, and that was fine with me. I knew the more stoned she was, the better chance I had of getting her to do it with Blackjack. I knew Blackjack would come out sooner or later and sure enough, it wasn't long before I got my wish.

Amy was naked sitting in the couch, drinking another glass of wine and we were about to get started when, Blackjack came around the corner of the couch and stuck his big black nose on her leg. She jumped and screamed, scared by the sudden intrusion of the big dog.

She said, "Get that beast out of here, he scared me to death."

I told her he just trying to be friendly and she said she didn't care, she wanted him out. About that time, Blackjack started to lick her hand and she softened up a bit, petting him on his big head.

"Good dog," she said, "You scared me to death, Blackjack. Don't do that again, OK?"

About that time, Blackjack starting licking her leg.

She said, "Now don't do that, stop, you are being a bad boy".

But Blackjack would not stop; he started to edge his nose toward her pussy area. She was trying to push his head back, but he was too strong, he must have really got excited when he got the scent of her pussy. I told her, I think he likes you, look at how excited you have gotten him. Amy looked down to see his huge cock, sticking out from its sheath. It must have been 7 inches long now and it was not all the way hard. Amy's face blushed blood red when she saw the big bright red cock. "Oh, my goodness, she said, that's really a big one".

By this time, the wine had really loosened up her, and the big dog's cock excited her. I told her to reach down and touch it.

She said, "I couldn't do that, he may bite me."

I told her he would probably like it very much. She reached down and started to stroke his big tool, he really liked it because his dick started to grow and grow. Blackjack knew what was going on, at that moment, his shoved his nose right in Amy's dripping little pussy. She jumped at first, and then I told her to just lay back and enjoy it.

Before she could say anything, Blackjack was lapping on her pussy like crazy. Amy was starting to moan and groan, her eyes starting to roll back in her head. Blackjack licked with his big rough tongue and she loved every second of it. She spread her legs wider and wider to let him get his tongue in as far as he could. She was dripping wet, pussy juices flowing wildly and that big black dog was licking her clit and she knew she was going to cum. Blackjack had his tongue up in her pussy and her pussy was on fire, like she had never dreamed of before. She popped her little ass up as far as she could, so he could lick her little asshole out too. He granted her that wish; he started to lick her ass like crazy, his rough tough taking in all of her woman juices.

He started to lick so hard, that he put his tongue up her ass and she cried out, "Oh yes, suck out my ass and my pussy, you big beast!"

She started to cum and she screamed out in pleasure, her multiple orgasms driving her to the brink of passing out. Never had she had such pleasure and from an animal. She didn't care what was she doing now, it was too late to stop. She wanted more of this big dog and she didn't want him to stop licking her pussy and her little ass.

When she finally stopped cumming, she was shaking from the experience. She looked at me, Blackjack was still licking on her ass, and she was a little red faced.

"I can't believe I let him do that to me," she said.

I told her that was OK, and I was glad she had enjoyed the experience. At that time, Blackjack had laid down and started to lick his big cock. It was still hard and sticking out.

Amy looked at him and said, "I want you in me, you big fellow."

I was so horny, my dick was as hard as a rock, but I knew she wanted to be pleasured some more by our big friend.

Amy got him to come over and started to stroke his cock, it started to get harder and harder. Then to my utter surprise, she got down on the floor and put that hot dog cock in her mouth. She started to suck on the big lab until his dick grew and grew. She was panting like a dog herself as she popped the huge dick in and out of her tiny mouth. Blackjack loved it too because he started to hump her mouth.

Then she got up and bent over the couch with her round little ass sticking up and asked me to help our new friend find his way in. Her pussy was still dripping wet, and I helped guide Blackjack into her tight little pussy.

She was amazed how big he was! "Oh, God, he is sooooo big and he is soooo hot!"

Blackjack started to hump like crazy, right from the start. He was humping as fast as he could, poking his big rod in and out of her. He must have been a full 9 or 10 inches now and she loved it. She was starting to scream with every thrust of the huge cock. Each time he thrusts into her, it made a whooshing sound. Amy was humping in rhythm with the mighty K9, meeting every thrust with his. He was starting to whine and drool dog slobber in her hair and on her back, his claws were digging into her flesh, but she didn't care, she just wanted as much of him as she could get into her hot, steaming pussy. She was mad with passion; she couldn't believe she was letting this big animal fuck her. She was ashamed but at the same time wanted him to fuck her, wanted his big dick ramming in and out of her with such force, she thought she would black out.

Blackjack kept right on fucking her, he just continued on and on and on, must have went on for 20 or 30 minutes. Amy was panting and trying to catch her breath with each stroke of his animal tool. She was pouring with sweat, and Blackjack was panting and drooling all over her, but she didn't care.

She just never wanted him out of her; she wanted his mighty dog rod in her forever now. Finally, she said, "He's starting to grow bigger, oh, my God, his dick is soooo big I don't know if I can stand it."

His big dick had grown and grown and now his knot was taking over Amy. I thought that at one time he would split her open; his tool was so big. She started to scream more and more as the knot was really causing her some pain.

After another minute or two, she seemed to be OK and was now enjoying it. Blackjack was now humping like the wild beast he was, pounding Amy's stretched pussy with his knot. He started to whine more and more and I knew that he was close to cumming.

About that time, Amy was whining and moaning too, her eyes still rolled back in her head.

"Oh, ooooooohh, oooooooh," she cried, as she felt the first gush of hot dog cum shoot into her tortured vagina.

Blackjack just kept on cumming and cumming, she thought he would never stop and she didn't want him too. She loved that hot animal cum shooting off in her. She thought that it was soooooo hot!!!! She loved it, she hoped that big dog cock just kept filling her up with his steamy cum. Blackjack kept on cumming until he finally tried to lay down, but he and Amy were tied up and they had to lay down together. Finally after awhile, the knot slowly went down, and Blackjack popped out of her. I could not believe the amount of dog cum that came out of her. It just gushed out of her pussy, and down her legs, thighs, and down into her little ass. She had been filled up with hot animal cum and I just loved it. My dick still ached from all the action and I still hadn't had any relief. Seeing all the steamy dog cum pouring out of my wife's little sore pussy was more than I could stand. I went over and Amy took my swollen cock in her mouth and sucked on me till I came with a load in her mouth.

After a brief rest, she looked at me, her face still red from the good dog fucking she had received and said, "I can't believe that I let an animal fuck me like that."

I told her that was OK, as long as it was an animal and not another man. She said she would never fuck any another man but me, but she sure was going to fuck Blackjack again, as soon as she could. She also added that we needed a good dog of our own. I told her that was OK with me.

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