"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...

The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was

released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
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SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA
Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby
UPDATE 7am:
STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau
warning the worst is yet to come.

dixie dean wrote:
09-11-2011, 02:57 AM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3211
Quote:

I also wondered about BP Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> In May 1901, William Knox D'Arcy was granted a concession by the Shah of Iran to search for oil, which he discovered in May 1908.[16] This was the first commercially significant find in the Middle East. On 14 April 1909, the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC) was incorporated as a subsidiary of Burmah Oil Company to exploit this.[16] In 1923, it employed future Prime Minister, Winston Churchill as a paid consultant, to lobby the British government to allow Burmah to have exclusive rights to Persian oil resources, which were successfully granted.[17] In 1935, it became the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC). </td> </tr> </table> Is there any link to ACPO Is there any link also to The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann Madeleine's parents keep hope alive with 'lucky' ribbons Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Kate McCann wore green and yellow ribbons in her hair as a symbol of hope, while her husband Gerry wore a green wristband, as they attended a special mass to pray for her safe return. </td> </tr> </table> Chang Dixie Dean Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> He was the first Everton player to wear the "number 9" shirt. Dean is regarded as one of the greatest pre-war sports heroes in British culture. </td> </tr> </table> And then you have Madeleine's eye at 7 O'clock, so that's 7 and 9. Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> In addition to Meneses, a district prosecutor, Luis Bilro Verão, was appointed on 11 September 2007 to oversee the investigation.[77] On 12 September Attorney General Fernando José Pinto Monteiro said that further police action was necessary after which there could be a reassessment of possible bail conditions for the suspects. </td> </tr> </table> So, you have September 11, 7 and 9 which could mean 7 and 9 11. Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Dean's childhood coincided with the First World War and between the age of 7 and 11 he delivered cow's milk to local families as part of the "war effort: "Well, it was war time you see, so you were grafting all the time. </td> </tr> </table> If you go to the Wiki page for Number 9 you see the following... Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Nine is strongly associated with the Chinese dragon, a symbol of magic and power. There are nine forms of the dragon, it is described in terms of nine attributes, and it has nine children It has 117 scales - 81 yang (masculine, heavenly) and 36 yin (feminine, earthly). </td> </tr> </table>81 is the Country Code for Japan 117 is 711 reversed, and again you have the number 9 7-Eleven Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> 7-Eleven is part of an international chain of convenience stores, operating under Seven-Eleven Japan Co. Ltd, which in turn is owned by Seven & I Holdings Co. of Japan.[2] </td> </tr> </table> The next thing I've just done is to take some grapes out of the Fridge which I purchased in Tesco and they are American grapes, the next thing I did was to unplug my Samsung phone and the Charger and the Charger reminds me of Dea and Canon. The actual charger for the new phone has the letters JJ on it, and I wear shorts with the initials JJ on them, which were purchased by my wife. My wife purchased my last shorts from Bangkok and they have pictures of Cats on them and also Chinese or Japanese writing on them, I use Cat for my internet and it's based in Bangkok. There is a China town here in Chiang Mai where my wife purchased my shorts from the Market. The bag I put the phone in has the name Keeper on it and it has multi coloured dots on it. You could associate keeper with Football. There is also a CAT office here in Chaing Mai. I've just put the grapes in a plastic box and put them into the fridge. The actual box that the phone and charger where in is Black, and has the name Noble Black on it. What I've just done now is to delete some messages from my log on the phone, two of them where from AIS and an old number I rang for Atum which was 333. AIS I wonder if we can help the police, or does it involve the police. I'll try looking at it a bit more.

I'm sorry for posting this again but I'd like to try and keep it
alive. BP means Horizon. Last night a the Bamboo Bar there was an
American guy who has a Yamaha Nouvo with the registration number 118.
Her in Chaing Mai we have a place called Horizon Village and it is situated on the 118 highway. So it could also involve the Village shop, or the Village where me and my wife frequented quite a lot.

Last night at the Bamboo there was Me, Chris, Phil, Nok, another
American, Jam Jam and Jules. It also involved Nok and Phil and a bady
black Cat and a box and Chris has a daughter by the name of Box. Chris
and Phil were talking about Religion and Buddest Beliefs.

I also feel in involves Thread 3069 I did link to a specific page,
but the page had been altered after.

Quote:

Moses is always distinguishable in the scenes from his yellow dress and the green cloak.

Yellow and Green to me also means Kelly's Restaurant, and a
Baseball Cap I have here which is also Yellow and Green and it also has
the Oakland Athletics



That picture is the Red Arrows performing what is know as a Star Burst.

I just need to look into it a bit more.

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dixie dean wrote:
09-11-2011, 12:18 AM #32097
Quote:

Originally Posted by stormrider73 I'm a "Targeted Individual" aka TI

You could reverse Targeted Individual to Individually Targeted which would give you IT.

When you put IT into Wiki you get three pages come up...

It (novel), It (film) and Information Technology

It might be worth keeping that in mind,
Last edited by dixie d; 09-11-2011 at 12:19 AM.

dixie dean wrote: 08-11-2011, 12:59 PM #32079
Quote:

Originally Posted by cori JOE FRAZIER died Frazier was diagnosed with liver cancer in late September 2011 and admitted to hospice care.[3] He died November 7, 2011.

November 7 is 117 or 711 reveresed. I also wondered if Smoking Joe might have any reference to Volcano

Quote:

Black smokers or deep sea vents are an example of this kind of volcanic activity.

Last edited by dixie d; 08-11-2011 at 01:00 PM.

true lilly wrote:30-10-2007, 04:33 PM #499
Quote:

Originally Posted by armoured saint It's not like you have checked and compared DNA samples of these as opposed to groups of people in the middleast, egypt and south america as well as the Aborigines. So, how did Moses get to Australia from south America and yet the source of the story comes from either Egypt, middle or near east. Don't tell me Noah built the 'Abel Tasman' and then handed it down to Moses somehow. I like your font colouring. It dazzles the senses. Puts "King Of The Mountain" to shame.

And here we have it again folks, that DESPERATE NEED TO WORSHIP EGYPT,
The City of The DEATH CULT.

Now this 'character' is NOT unfamiliar with all that's been posted on this topic,
yet comes up with a childish, "Oh yeah!" post like this.

Now as for comparing DNA; it has been done and in the news, that native
Australians ARE THE OLDEST, PUREST Blooded peoples.
Related closest to the OLDEST PUREST SOUTH AMERICANS and Africans,
who in THEIR OWN ORAL HISTORY tell of NOT ORIGINATING in Africa.

So, AT LEAST 60,000 years of the LONGEST CONTINUOUS Cultures,
of the 'OLDEST' peoples, who's DREAMING STORIES ARE the Consistently
CLOSEST FITS TO GENESIS...but we'll just IGNORE ALL THAT and
"keep looking for" "where they came from"??!!!

The CLOSEST RELATED FLORA & FAUNA to OZ NATIVES, are South American.

'Jerusalem' wasn't GIVEN that name until around 1000 Year AFTER
Alexander The Great DELUDED PUPPET of his Twisted Mother, told
the world an ORACLE in EGYPT "told him" that "HE WAS THE SON of 'god'".

That's a THOUSAND YEARS of the MOST POWERFUL, ANTI-CHRIST
EMPIRES FORCING their 'history' down the throats of powerless,

uneducated peoples, with things like the CONTINUED BLOODY INQUISITIONS
that SLAUGHTERED, PRIMARILY, CHRISTIANS who would NOT accept ROME'S
COUNTERFEIT.

But "THEY" want YOU to IGNORE that Holy Scripture ALSO DESCRIBES
the NATURAL HISTORY that Science is finally catching up with; IGNORE
that Holy Scripture DESCRIBES the WHOLE World,
FROM THE TIME of The Super-Continent before that River Head became a SEA,
that "They", without foundation, RE-named the Euphrates.

In fact IGNORE ALL Holy Scripture, according to "Them" it's all a fairy tale,
EXCEPT THE BITS KNOWN TO BE CHANGED, in order TO SELL EGYPT'S
DEATH WORSHIP CULT!

Now long after Joshua died, after winning wars ON FOOT against Mounted
Armies and HAMSTRINGING all their BEASTS OF BURDEN (which is what those
'horses' and 'camels' are), they FORGOT Their God and History and were
DRIVEN OUT OF ZION (which included the UTTER DEVASTATION of the land
that The Creator also Promised He would cause to BLOOM RICH again when
the Lost, Scattered, Mixed and Mingled Israel, started returning), which
was when those Old Cultures of Asia took off, and the GENETIC MIX of
peoples across the world and into NORTHERN Europe SUPPORTS this.

And so does what VERY LITTLE Archeology had been done in this land;
a Large Corralling of Different, Large, Unknown DOMESTIC Animals.

But be patient, we'd need over 500 of these pages to catch up on all the
evidences for this case, that "this poster" KNOWS we've covered elsewhere.

It's the COUNTERFEITING "Jesuit Trained" scholars and "those who
say they are Jews but are NOT", who INVENTED that ONLY around 6000 year age
of the world according to ROMES 'bible'.

Holy Scripture DESCRIBES a MUCH OLDER AGE,
RIGHT BACK TO BEFORE MAN LIVED ON THE SUPER-CONTINENT.

true lilly wrote:Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia
true lilly Today, 9-11-2011 at 12:53 am
Geology
Prehistory of Antarctica


Map showing details of Gondwana break-up, including glacial scouring
as Australia moved northwards. (Map: R Beaman)

Like all other continents, Antarctica has at its core an ancient
shield. The rocks of the East Antarctica shield are as old as 4 billion
years, which means that they are amongst the oldest known rocks on
Earth. Geologists are now studying this shield to help them gain insight
into the early geological processes of the Earth’s history.

In many ways, the evolution of Antarctica appears to be similar to
that of Australia. The fossil record of the two continents is similar,
and Antarctica has yielded dinosaurs, amphibians and even marsupials
from ages when the continents were joined.

The position of the continents shifts constantly and the geography of
today's world is vastly different from what it was even a hundred
million years ago. Twenty million years before the dinosaurs became
extinct, Australia, Antarctica and South America were part of the same
land mass called Gondwana. In those days Antarctica was not covered in
ice, even though it was at the South Pole. Animals passed freely from
South America through Antarctica to Australia, and the plant species of
Gondwana were also closely related to each other.

Eighty five million years ago Australia began to separate from Antarctica.
The separation started slowly at first at a rate of only a few millimetres a year.
This then accelerated to the present rate of 7 cm a year.
Australia completely separated from Antarctica about 30 million years ago.

Scientists in Antarctica have discovered fossilised spores and pollen
of sundews, Nothofagus (which includes the Tasmanian myrtle
N. cunninghamii and the Tasmanian deciduous beech N. gunnii ).
The Tasmanian tree fern and creeping pine, are derived from forms which
once inhabited Australia and Antarctica.

Scientists were recently excited by a fossil discovery of twigs, roots, leaves
and pollen in Antarctica, of a form which is virtually indistinguishable
from Nothofagus gunnii , the Tasmanian deciduous beech.
These fossils may be ‘only’ 3 million years old.

This implies that Antarctica was not entirely covered by ice at that time.
Previous to this find, scientists had thought that Antarctica cooled and
became ice bound after Australia and South America separated
30 million years ago, allowing the Circumpolar Current to develop.
Scientists are still debating the age and significance of this
fossil discovery.

Antarctica without its ice

Casey: the Daintree of Antarctica

People who consider Antarctica to be a small continent will be
surprised to discover that it is larger than Europe and nearly twice the
size of Australia. The Antarctic continent, excluding its ice shelves,
covers over 13 million square kilometres compared with 7.7 million km²
for Australia, or 10.5 million km² for Europe. The map below gives some
idea of relative size.



Ninety-nine percent of Antarctica has a permanent blanket of snow and ice.
Only about one percent of the continent's rock base is visible
where it pokes through the ice sheet in the form of coastal outcrops,
mountain ranges or ‘nunataks’ which are isolated peaks.

The Transantarctic Mountains divide the continent into two
contrasting parts, the East and West. The Transantarctic Mountains
constitute one of the world’s longest and most impressive mountain
chains. They extend from the north western corner of the Ross Sea to the
south western corner of the Weddell Sea. West Antarctica, which
includes the Antarctic Peninsula, is smaller and has a complex
geological history. West Antarctica consists of four land units each
with a different history. There has been major volcanic activity here in
recent geological times and there are still a few active volcanic
centres. Deep waters exist between land units and the West Antarctic ice
sheet, which can be considered to a be floating ice mass, held in place
by land peaks. West Antarctica includes the Vinson Massif, which has
the highest peak in Antarctica at 5140 metres.

Most of East Antarctica is still not well known by geologists but it
does include the Transantarctic Mountains. These commonly exceed 4000
metres elevation. The shield is very depressed in the centre, where it
carries the bulk of the Antarctic ice sheet. Large areas lie deeper than
1000 metres below sea level.

Mining Antarctica

There are deposits of minerals such as coal and iron ore, but there
are vast economic and technical difficulties associated with the
recovery of mineral deposits. The Antarctic ice cover is, on average,
2.5 km thick and this means that very little of the land is accessible
for exploration, so work would have to take place under the ice sheet.
The difficult Antarctic conditions, evenwhen the technology works well
elsewhere make exploitation unlikely.
Once minerals are mined, Antarctica is a long way from world markets,
and material would have to be transported over the treacherous Southern
Ocean. Cheaper sources exist elsewhere in the world, and these will be
exploited before Antarctic sources.

So far, the economics of extracting resources from the harsh
Antarctic environment have prevented any commercial operations, but
Antarctica's climate may not protect its minerals indefinitely. What can
prevent such exploitation is a strong, well-supported international
agreement. Nations of the Antarctic Treaty System agreed in 1991 to put a
halt to the exploitation of minerals when they signed a comprehensive
Protocol on Environmental Protection (the Madrid Protocol), which banned
mining in Antarctica indefinitely. This important agreement came into
force in January 1998.
Read more about mining in Antarctica


Glossopteris (Fossil) leaf Permian age, Prince Charles Mountains.
(Photo: R Oldfield; Cat: 4766C1)

Antarctic prehistory facts
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/fact-files/geology/antarctic-prehistory-facts

One more time, FROM THE BEGINNING...

Lebanon = "whiteness"
1) a wooded mountain range on the northern border of Israel

LEBANON
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=lebanon&t=KJV

Every place ⁴⁷²⁵ whereon the soles ³⁷⁰⁹ of your feet ⁷²⁷² shall tread ¹⁸⁶⁹
shall be yours: from the wilderness ⁴⁰⁵⁷ and Lebanon ³⁸⁴⁴,
from the river ⁵¹⁰⁴, the river ⁵¹⁰⁴ Euphrates ⁶⁵⁷⁸,
even unto the uttermost ³¹⁴ sea ³²²⁰ shall your coast ¹³⁶⁶ be.

LABAN
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=laban&t=KJV&sf=5

And Isaac ³³²⁷ sent away ⁷⁹⁷¹ Jacob ³²⁹⁰:
and he went ³²¹² to Padanaram ⁶³⁰⁷ unto Laban ³⁸³⁷,
son ¹¹²¹ of Bethuel ¹³²⁸ the Syrian ⁷⁶¹, the brother ²⁵¹ of Rebekah ⁷²⁵⁹,
Jacob's ³²⁹⁰ and Esau's ⁶²¹⁵ mother ⁵¹⁷.

I left school at 14, not that I went much before then, as by 8, I knew
there was something about The Time Line, we weren't being taught, and
that, 'That Something' had to do with GOD.
Not that I left EDUCATION, I was doing my Horsemasters Diploma by 13,
and continued self education, all my life, taking interest in whatever any expert
on anything had to share.

Seekwith your whole heart and whole mind. That's what I set out to do,
and not so much 'despite', but 'because' of the many false paths I'd cross
and take, I discovered that faith, inThe Creator and The Truth of His Word,
was the only thing that led me past knowledge, to understanding,
and discovery, of yet more knowledge and understanding.

As I came to understand that just as Australia was 'presented' to be a
land of 'no historic value', my lack of deep interest in the deep sea
and Antarctica, was born of how they were 'presented'.

But my most deep interest was always in seeking to know God, which again,
led me to 'KNOW', what I'm still only discovering, others have long known...and
I should not keep having to argue the facts of.

God Exists!
God Described All The World, All The Earth and All Peoples,
From The Beginning.
And, God Does KEEP ALL HIS PROMISES.

dixie dean wrote: #32101
There is a guy by the name of Ben who drinks
at the Village Shop and Spies reminds me of
Espionage...
...
By the way, I am only making links to people
the same as Tintin makes links using people.

true lilly wrote: I luv tintin, he is my favourite

true lilly wrote:



"true lilly" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in me),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of my SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL I DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to MY WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, I CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO ME[/color]
EVIL!
nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to DEFORM GOD'S WORD to deceive people that AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE[color=darkred] I CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THAT GLORIOUS LAND FOR MYSELF. [quote="true lilly

Israel=The Promised Land!

Israel is the Promised Land, NOT Australia.

no, 'gods word', the Holy Bible DOES NOT say australia is Zion, it is explicitly clear that Israel/Jerusalem is the Geographical Zion......I've asked you numerous times to define the Hebrew word: Tsiyon/Zion, you have refused...........WHY?

You are just another Antisemitic/Anti Israel/Anti Torah....'gods word' psycho............

Mizraim means Egypt. Zion is Israel, NOT Australia[/size]

true lilly wrote:

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if I post it, it's worth looking into.

true lilly wrote:

I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my antisemitc/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

sheeesh suzi/lilly, tell us sumthin' we don't know. You're a liar.

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.pdf

Theology and Race

AT NOON ON SATURDAY, MAY 6, 1939, a group of Protestant theologians, pastors,
and churchgoers gathered at the historic Wartburg Castle, resonant with Lutheran
and nationalist significance, to celebrate the official opening of the Institute
for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church
Life (Institut zur Erforschung und Beseitigung des jüdischen Einfl usses auf
das deutsche kirchliche Leben). The Institute’s goals were both political and
theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in
the process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed new biblical interpretations
and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime
carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefi ned Christianity
as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, was no Jew but rather had fought
valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling as victim to that struggle. Germans were
now called upon to be the victors in Jesus’s own struggle against the Jews, who
were said to be seeking Germany’s destruction.

Most members of the Institute, particularly its academic director, Walter
Grundmann, professor of New Testament at the University of Jena, regarded
their work as being in the theological avant-garde, addressing and resolving
a problem that had long plagued Christian theology: how to establish clear and distinct boundaries between earliest Christianity and Judaism and eliminate all traces of Jewish influence from contemporary Christian theology and religious practice. As a predominantly younger generation of scholars, trained by Germany’s leading scholars of early Christianity—many members of the Institute were students of the distinguished Tübingen professor, Gerhard Kittel, himself a Nazi who produced antisemitic propaganda1—they saw themselves able to recover the historically genuine, non-Jewish Jesus and a Christian message compatible with contemporary German identity. Theirs was a goal of purification, authenticity, and theological revolution, all in the name of historical-critical methods and commitment to Germanness, to be achieved by eradicating the Jewish from the Christian. A Christian message tainted by Jewishness could not serve Germans, nor could a Jewish message be the accurate teaching of Jesus.
The Institute’s goals were stated forthrightly at its opening by Grundmann, who delivered the keynote lecture on “The Dejudaization of the Religious Life as the Task of German Theology and Church.” The present era, he declared, was similar to the Reformation: Protestants had to overcome Judaism just as Luther had overcome Catholicism. “The elimination of Jewish infl uence on German life is the urgent and fundamental question of the present German religious situation.”

Modern New Testament scholarship had made apparent the “deformation of New Testament ideas into Old Testament preconceptions, so that now angry recognition of the Jewishness in the Old Testament and in parts of the New Testament has arisen, obstructing access to the Bible for innumerable German people.”2
The Bible would have to be purified, Grundmann continued, restored to its pristine condition, to proclaim the truth about Jesus: that he sought the destruction of Judaism.

Munich’s Cardinal Faulhaber, for example, delivered a series of Advent sermons in 1933 attacking the German Christian movement, but his argument, almost identical to what the Confessing Church leaders came to argue, was that the Old Testament need not be eliminated as a Jewish book, as some German Christians advocated; it was, rather, an anti-Jewish book, Faulhaber insisted, since the prophets were constantly condemning Israel for its sinful ways.7 Faulhaber’s objection, then, was not to the German Christians’ antisemitism, but to their failure to realize that the Old Testament itself was on their side.8

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY
Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting
anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfi lled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

In reality Nazism accomplished but few of its goals. But in one area, that of the Jewish question, political myth achieved its purpose to the full. Here the regime met the least opposition from those who in other matters were hardly in accord with Nazism—be it intellectuals, the churches or public opinion in the Reich or abroad. The Jew served as the focal point round which Nazism turned and on which the structural process of value-transformation and reversal of meanings took place. Among the values and meanings that were transformed, the symbol itself was turned into substance; consequently, the negation of Judaism had to be transformed into the annihilation of the Jew, this time not spiritually but rather physically, not symbolically but in substance.” Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption,

and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.
Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fi ghter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?
Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.
Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European
culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political signifi cance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19..........................

The error Of Replacement Theology

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.


The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.


Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.


Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.


The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Definition

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.

THE END TIME SOLUTION TO
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
By Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=3&type=12

The hideous falsehood known as replacement theology has been a cancer in theological circles for the past two millennia that just seems to refuse to go away. While replacement theology takes on different applications, and modes, it is a theology originated by the early non Jewish fathers of the so called "Christian Church". It coldly states that a new Rome centered, and Roman based ecclesiastical organization called "the church", is the "new Israel". This new Israel, would now forever replace Jewish Israel, since Yahuwah permanently rejected the Jews for killing their Messiah, His Son. Extreme proponents of replacement theology have even gone so far as to claim that Yahuwah, the mean, and cruel despot, was the Elohim of the Old Covenant Jews, as opposed to Yahshua who is the forever loving, kind, and compassionate Elohim who had REPLACED YAHUWAH AS LORD OF "THE CHURCH" OR THE SO CALLED "NEW ISRAEL". In other words, Yahshua’s people have replaced the Father’s people.

This hideous doctrine is by no means a small theological side issue to be argued in a local pub. It has been at the forefront of antisemitism, Judeo-phobia, and has fully provided fuel for tragic historical events such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Crusades, the ouster of the Jews from every European country, as well as the Nazi holocaust. As history clearly demonstrates, Martin Luther, and other Protestant reformers blueprinted both the call, and the plans for the annihilation of the Jewish nation from Europe, and later the world by providing "so called Christians", with biblical justification to perpetrate genocide on world Jewry. Adolph Hitler knew full well that he could find theological approval, and support from these church folks. The inbred functionalism of this spiritual cancer amongst those that preach Yahshua is so widespread that it cannot be fully reversed, and eliminated until Yahshua’s millennial reign begins shortly when He returns to the earth. Even such seemingly benign church doctrines such as "Kingdom Now" theology or "Dominion" theology, where the so called "church" will christianize the world through the establishment of the bible as a global constitution, and whereby all world powers, and authorities will be won to, and taken over by Christendom, are nothing more than new attempts at replacing the "troublesome Jews". Wasn’t this flawed global christianization program, whereby Yahshua would merely take over a globally loyal populace converted through church efforts, already tried numerous times? Historically they were called the Crusades, Inquisitions, and Pogroms. Was it not the Crusaders who were attempting to take the globe by the sword, and convert, and subdue it by the gospel?

The theology of "Dominion Now" or "Kingdom Now", is nothing but a papal farce, designed to enlist Protestants in a new age attempt to liquidate the Jewish race, by theology rather than by a sword. They believe twentieth century man will not respond favorably to any elimination of the Jewish nation via bloodletting. Therefore in these last days, we see a major resurgence in "church" theology, designed to subdue, and eliminate the Jew. In these various applications of replacement theology, the Jew has no future whatsoever unless he agrees to become one with "the church", and assimilate his precious customs, feasts, seventh day Sabbaths, and the rest of his national identity through incorporation or more accurately through disappearance, and integration within "the church".

These hideous theologies call anything Jewish to be anti Christ, and legalistic. Jewish practices are not welcome in their church systems. It is simply fascinating to me that "the church" has this insatiable desire to institute biblical law, and church sovereignty over the globe by spreading Yahuwah’s laws, when one of the major errors within Christianity is the very rejection, and the denial of the validity of first covenant instruction in New Covenant times.

The so called "church" system has repeatedly, and pridefully proclaimed to its adherents that the Torah or the laws of first covenant Israel are passed away, and nailed to the cross, and have therefore been replaced by the second covenant law, which is love, baby, love. In other words, this man made ecclesiastical organization started, funded, and headquartered in Rome, now wants to force their paganized Christendom down the throats of the worlds populace, with obedience to THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, and other teachings all based on the Decalogue, all the while instructing her very own members that it is not applicable to the New Covenant "church". Now you talk about confusion! How can a man made ecclesiastical system that is boastfully, and wrongfully antinomian (anti-Torah), at it’s very core theology, force the world’s populace to submit to rules, and regulations that they themselves loath as having preceded from the Jewish despot named Yahuwah, and His Jews? Remember that in true replacement theology a pagan blonde haired, and blue eyed European, pork eating Jesus (the English translation of the sun deity Zeus), has replaced Yahuwah the Father as LORD (from the pagan deity Lourdes), over his "church" (from the pagan circular ritual conducted by the Celts).

The most disturbing part of all this is that replacement theology continues to spread overtly, and covertly in these last days seemingly unchecked, and undetected by born again folks of all denominations, as well as by Messianic Jews. As this study progresses you will find, and discover the alarming fact that modern day Messianic Judaism has in most cases fallen into the same trap of replacement theology that they loath, and despise. Messianic Judaism has every right to loath replacement theology. However through error, and pride they not only forsake the true solution to the error of replacement theology, (which is readily available by studying the scriptures accurately with an open mind), but worse yet, they have unknowingly become accomplices to the doctrine itself.

Before we demonstrate the biblically prescribed means for the elimination of this hideous creed, we will learn a few more insights into this doctrine of replacement theology. The first error of this false doctrine is that the church has replaced Israel (the Jews) as the historic continuation of the people of Israel. According to this line of reasoning, Jewish Israel ceased from being a people, with a historic relevancy to Yahuwah at Pentecost in 33 AD. In other words, a total cessation of all eternal promises, and blessings which had been promised to the Jews, had come about because of the New Covenant "church", who unilaterally declared the first covenant promises to the Jews null, and void. The truth of course is that the physical descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, had, and will continue to have a crucial, and vital role in the historical, and redemptive purposes of the Father. Replacement theology declares that the Jews are no different than any other people group, and that their chosen status was self appointed, and has ceased when their "European" non Jewish (Jesus) went to the cross.

The truth of course is that no other nation before or since has been earmarked by Yahuwah to work out His redemptive, and earthly will, as has Israel (12 tribes).

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
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P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
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barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.

Yo!!!! Suzy Woo Woo, clue me up how lying about Gods Book is 'getting right' with Him, or for that matter, gossiping and judging and cursing others is 'getting right' with Him?

You, propose, without any credentials or prerequisite education in Hebrew, that you are able to interpret the Jews Sacred Hebrew scriptures better, more accurately; then ALL the Rabbis/Teachers and credentialed Biblical Scholars on Planet Earth and make the preposterous, unsupported claim that the Hebrew word Mizraim does not mean Egypt, or that the Hebrews did not sojourn from Egypt, through the Sinai into Canaan/Israel.

You're Hubris is so gargantuan you use a Language you do not know: Hebrew, and attempt to write the Jews and Israel out of their own Book.......your Hubris is of monumental size. You claim the Torah is 'done away' with and then proceed to reinterpret it.

Explain that.


I proved you were wrong about your False Doctrine of Church replacement of the Jews and Israel Theology.

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

I proved you wrong about your False Theology that Yahshua/Jesus and the Apostles 'did away' with YHWHs Torah/Instruction.

http://www.yrm.org/yah_p_law.htm

Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods in My presence..."
This commandment is to be aware that the God of Israel exists absolutely and influences all events in the world[23][dead link] and that the goal of the redemption from Egypt was to become His servants (Rashi). It requires the acknowledgment of the single God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the denial of the existence of false gods (Rashi)


Yahshua said (Matthew 23:37-40) “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang (hinge) all the law and the prophets.”

The whole point of Human existence is to learn and practice the SEcond Commandment that Yahshua declares...........Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ........so far you are failing miserably............. ...........gossiping, judging, fearmongering, bearing false witness...........time to shape up and fly right Suzy Woo Woo...............

Time to stand Toe to Toe like you falsely claim you do......support your False Teachings.................you extract Scripture from it context to twist it to fit your bias, Noah was 10 Generations AFTER Adam, long after the continents divided, Peleg was 5 Generations after Noah, the verse you twist to claim it is about the Continents Dividing means no such thing...it is in relation to the Tower of Babylon incident when YHWH confused the tongues of Humankind and dispersed them to the far corners of the Earth.........the whole icident is about the Hubris of humans, something you should, but don't recognize....read/study the following Documents.

THE NATURE OF THE ACCOUNT
The narrative in Genesis 11:1-9 describes the divine inter-
vention among the human family to scatter them across the face
of the earth by means of striking at the :heart of their unity- their
language. A quick reading of the passage shows that the pre-
dominant idea is not the tower of Babel but this scattering.
If the point is not simply the tower, then this passage does not
present, as some have suggested, a Hebrew adaptation of the
Greek Titans storming heaven to dislodge God. Rather, the char-
acteristics of the people in this story are anxiety and pride
through their own gregariousness.1 The tower, on the one hand,
is born from the people's fear of being scattered across the earth;
and on the other hand it is an attempt to frustrate God's plan to
fill the earth (Gen. 9:1).
The sin. Since the story has the trappings of a judgment
narrative in which Yahweh interrupts mankind's misguided
activities and scatters them abroad, it may be assumed that the
antithesis of this scattering must be the sin. The major error was
not the building of a city, but the attempt of the race to live in one
City.2 Therefore it appears that the human family was striving for
unity, security, and social immortality (making a name) in de-
fiance of God's desire for them to fill the earth.
Divine punishment. It is important to keep in mind that the
"judgment" was not the destruction of the city but of the language that united the people. It was shattered into a multiplicity
of languages so that the common bond was destroyed.3 Thus the
text is demonstrating that the present number of languages that
form national barriers is a monument to sin.....................So it is with this story that the common history of all man-
kind comes to an abrupt end, which leaves the human race
hopelessly scattered across the face of the entire earth. It is this
that makes the present narrative so different from those preced-
ing it: In each judgment there was a gracious provision for hope
but in this judgment there is none. It does not offer a token of
grace, a promise of any blessing, a hope of salvation, or a way of
escape. There is no clothing for the naked sinner, no protective
mark for the fugitive, no rainbow in the dark sky. There is no ray
of hope. The primeval age ends with judgmental scattering and
complete confusion. The blessing is not here; the world must
await the new history.
In view of this, the story of the scattering of the nations is
actually the turning point of the book from primeval history to
the history of the blessing. From this very confused and dis-
persed situation nations would develop in utter futility until God
would make a great nation through one man who himself would
be "scattered" from this alluvial plain to the land of Canaan. The
blessings of final redemption and unification would come
through his seed.........................Irony is seen in the beginning and the ending of this pas-
sage. The group at Babel began as the whole earth (11:1), but
now they were spread over the whole earth (11:9). By this the
lesson is clarified: God's purpose will be accomplished in spite of
the arrogance and defiance of man's own purposes. He brings
down the proud, but exalts the faithful.
The significance of this little story is great. It explains to
God's people how the nations were scattered abroad. Yet the
import goes much deeper. The fact that it was Babylon, the
beginning of kingdoms under Nimrod from Cush, adds a rather
ominous warning: Great nations cannot defy God and long sur-
vive. The new nation of Israel need only survey the many nations
around her to perceive that God disperses and curses the rebel-
lious, bringing utter confusion and antagonism among them. If
Israel would obey and submit to God's will, then she would be the
source of blessing to the world.
Unfortunately, Israel also raised her head in pride and re-
fused to obey the Lord God. Thus she too was scattered across the
face of the earth.

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................

true lilly wrote:Interesting, that
The GLOBAL CONSPIRACY Industry,
is always telling people to "WAKE UP"...

dixie dean wrote: #32101
There is a guy by the name of Ben who drinks
at the Village Shop and Spies reminds me of
Espionage...
...
By the way, I am only making links to people
the same as Tintin makes links using people.

Sleeper agent:
A sleeper agent is a person who is
recruited to an intelligence service
to wake up
and perform a specific set of tasks or functions
while living under cover in an area of interest.
This type of agent
is not the same as a deep cover operative
who is continually in contact with
their case officer in order to file intelligence reports.
A sleeper agent
will not be in contact with anyone
until activated.

Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

Interesting to, that GOD WARNED US to
NOT to try to save ourselves by running
to Follow Popular Mass Movements...
but, that MOST STILL WOULD, and,
DIE REGRETTING IT!

...and where did I open at, on praying
about whether to send this...oh, and do
read the full meanings of each word
at the link provided.

Psalms 127:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=127&v=1&t=KJV&sstr=1
A Song of the Ascents. Of Solomon.
1
Unless Jehovah himself builds the house,
It is to no avail that its builders have worked hard on it.
Unless Jehovah himself guards the city,
It is to no avail that the guard has kept awake.
2
To no avail it is for YOU men that YOU are rising up early,
That YOU are sitting down late,
That YOU are eating food with pains.
Just like this he gives sleep even to his beloved one.
3
Look! Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah;
The fruitage of the belly is a reward.
4
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man,
So are the sons of youth.
5
Happy is the able-bodied man that has filled his quiver with them.
They will not be ashamed,
For they will speak with enemies in the gate.

Psalms 126:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=126&v=1&t=KJV

true lilly wrote:"Long and Uncomfortable"=BRAINWASHING as used by CULT LEADERS.
http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/post24742.html#p24742
So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!
Ickeism=
Culture jamming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming
Guerrilla marketing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_marketing
Spaßguerilla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa%C3%9Fguerilla
...and when ISN'T 'satire' satirical?
When it's all the above HIDING behind the filthy lie,
that those who DO GET WHAT 'THEY' ARE DOING,
"don't get satire".
Front Deutscher Äpfel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Deutscher_%C3%84pfel

Apple Front activists in typical uniform with satirized right extremist symbols and bearing
(The FRONT is 'satire' WHILE THEY FISH FOR THOSE WHO
DO SUPPORT WHAT THEY 'satirize')

Yep, anyone believing that 'alternative media' isn't
what's pushing The Beastly Agenda,
is either a deluded fool, or Knowingly, Willingly, Beastly.

Oh, and how many of The Most Vulnerable and Powerless,
is that, DEAD AROUND THE WORLD, now, DUE TO BEING
SUCKED INTO BLOODY, NATION DESTROYING "revolutions",
VIA The Twittering TWITS of WORLD WIDE (Global) WEB of
LIES?

le sabrage wrote:DESPERATELY LYING:

true lilly wrote:

Hee hee,
is that the sanest of my younger, old (and current), ungrateful,
backstabbing 'associates', today?
And is this the most 'youthful'?
Because you almost laugh as hard as those with an eye and brain did,

when she "got" a Licence to "Judge" ...IMHEO, justified laughter...
Funny to, because she was embarrassed of her wog hubby's surname...
and advertised Only As "Sue & Steve" because of all the people who
rang the club asking for a puppy bred by "Sioux & Steve" ...
but then her hubby's,

bro, got himself an O.A.M., and suddenly,
she was no longer embarrassed by her wog surname...

...but kept the Cameron and hyphen

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,
are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:

1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”

A. Two obvious difficulties

Chapter 127 of Sefer Tehillim (like the following one – 128) belongs to a relatively small group of psalms that may be referred to as “wisdom psalms." Their aim is to educate towards a proper world-view, to inculcate biblical life-experience in the reader – like Sefer Mishlei and other books of wisdom. While the great majority of the psalms address the relationship between man and God, these “psalms of wisdom” deal with guidance for life (the assumption being, needless to say, that one’s life is always centered around God). While most of the psalms reflect a “vertical” relationship, between man and God, the “psalms of wisdom” (and the biblical literature of wisdom in general) is “horizontal” – i.e., inter-personal.[1]

The psalm is presented above as a poem should be written in brief lines and divided into stanzas.[2] From the point of view of literal exegesis, it seems straightforward and presents little difficulty.[3] However, even upon the most superficial initial reading, two questions immediately present themselves concerning the structure of the psalm and its thematic integrity:

The first question pertains to the psalm as a whole. We see that it is comprised of two halves, each addressing a different subject and each with a different atmosphere. Stanzas 1-3 express one idea: that man’s efforts alone will not bear fruit if God is not a partner to his efforts. The atmosphere here is a negative one, as expressed in the thrice-repeated negation – “shav” (in vain) concerning the three examples cited to illustrate the main idea: the building of a house, the guarding of a city, and hard work in order to make a living. The same idea could be expressed in a positive way: “When God desires a man’s ways, his endeavors will succeed”, or “It is God Who gives person strength to build a house and to guard a city." However, our psalm chooses the negative formulation: in the absence of God’s partnership in man’s actions, all of his endeavors will amount to nothing.

The second half of the psalm (stanzas 4-7), in contrast, has a different subject: the blessing that comes to a man who has “children of his youth."

The stanzas of each of the two halves are united around the same subject, and we note an inner development in each of them. However, we are left with the question: What is the connection between the two halves of the psalm? Is there one single idea which the psalm as a whole is trying to express? In other words, is our psalm an integral whole? Is it built in a manner that serves to mold a single idea, or is it a composite of two independent parts under the same heading (“A Song of Degrees for Shlomo”), brought together for reasons which remain to be discovered?

The second obvious difficulty in our psalm concerns the words at the end of verse 2: “For to those who love Him He will give tranquility." Even on the level of literal meaning, the intention here is not clear: what is the meaning of the first word, “ken”? Does it mean “so”, or “such”, such hat this verse stands in comparison to something that appeared previously? If so – what, and what is the significance of the comparison? Or, perhaps “ken” means “indeed”? The word “shena” (tranquility) likewise presents some difficulty. Does this mean “rest” (‘shena’ spelled with a ‘heh’ at the end), as some of the earlier commentators suggest? If so, we must ask why the word here ends with an “alef." And what does the phrase mean, as a whole? Perhaps this word has some other meaning. If so – what is it?

The greatest difficulty here concerns the place of these words: Do they belong to the third stanza and the first part of the psalm?[4] This seems unlikely since, as we have pointed out, the atmosphere of the first half is negative, while these words – no matter how we interpret them – are unquestionably formulated in a positive manner. There is some sort of positive gift that God is bestowing on those who love Him. This being the case, perhaps these words are meant to serve as an introduction to the second half? The problem is that the subject of this half is the blessing of children that comes to man from God. The phrase in question seems to have nothing to do with this theme.

Since we are initially unable to decide where these words belong, we leave them for the meantime in a section of their own, in between the third and fourth stanzas – or, between the two halves of the psalm.

In the next shiurim we will attempt to analyze the psalm in an orderly manner, with the hope of finding answers to our questions above.

Translated by Kaeren Fish

[1] Aside from psalms 127 and 128, we may note the following examples: 1, (34), 37, 45, 49, (78), 112, 133. The chapters in parentheses are those which cannot be unequivocally categorized. In his book, “Sheki’ei Chokhma be-Sefer Tehillim” (Magnes, Jerusalem 5751), Prof. Avi Horwitz discusses the identification of “wisdom psalms” in Sefer Tehillim from a linguistic perspective. In the first chapter of his book he presents a critical review of the approaches proposed by scholars who preceded him in this field of inquiry, and of their scope. On p. 128 of his book he presents a synoptic table comparing ten different views, dating from the 1930’s until the present. The table shows that there is consensus among eight or more scholars concerning only five psalms: 1, 34, 37, 49, and 112. Some of the scholars identify as many as fourteen “psalms of wisdom”; others count a total that is much smaller (five or six).

The list of psalms at the beginning of this note does not follow any particular approach, nor have we involved ourselves deeply in the methodological question of identifying the “wisdom psalms”. Our criteria were, firstly, the “audience” to whom the psalm is addressed – God or man – and secondly, the content and style of the psalm.

The topic is itself worthy of thorough discussion, and I do not pretend to do it justice here. Therefore, the list here should be regarded as no more than an initial impression arising from these psalms.

It should further be noted that Psalm 91, which we analyzed in previous shiurim, also possesses some of the distinctive characteristics of a “wisdom psalm," and indeed one of the ten scholars included in Horwitz’s survey does include it in his list.

[2] In our analysis of Psalm 130 (mi-ma’amakim) we discussed the importance of presenting the psalms in Sefer Tehillim in a manner that highlights their lyrical character.

[3] “The bread of toil” (lechem ha-atzabim) means bread eaten in sorrow. The idea here is that the worker is so exhausted by his intensive and prolonged labor that he eats not in a relaxed frame of mind, but rather in sorrow. This hints to God’s words to Adam (Bereishit 3:17), “Cursed is the land because of you; you shall eat of it in sorrow (be-itzavon)," and further on (verse 19), “you shall eat bread by the sweat of your brow”. However, the meaning in our psalm is slightly different: here the verse is talking about the bread that accompanies man’s hard labor. We deduce this from the parallel between the words “mashkimei”/ ”me’acharei”/ ”ochlei," all of which describe human action and effort, not its results.

The words “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” will be discussed below.

“The children of one’s youth” means that children who are born to a person while he is still young. Similarly, “eshet ne’urim” means a woman whom a man marries in his youth.

[4] As we must conclude if the word ‘ken’ is understood to mean “thus” or “so”.

Shiur #11: Psalm 127 - Continued

By Rav Elchanan Samet


(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo/Solomon:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



B. The parallel between stanzas a and b, and their hidden meaning


The first two stanzas of our psalm maintain a synonymous[1], direct[2], complete[3] parallel, as follows:

If God does not build a house its builders labor in vain.



If God does not guard a city the guard stays awake in vain.



There is a thematic development between the two hemistiches: the “city” is a collection of houses which have already been built and which now require security: they need a watchman.

In contrast to this broadening of the perspective in the second limb in relation to the first, we also find the opposite phenomenon: the building of the house, in the first limb, is carried out by a number of “builders," while the guarding of the city (with its many houses) is carried out by a single “guard." The reason for this linguistic difference would seem to be that the construction of a house does usually involve a number of workers (whether for the sake of finishing the work sooner or because a variety of artisans are needed for different tasks), whereas the city can be guarded by a single watchman looking out for approaching enemies from an observation post where he can see them while they are still far off and raise the alarm by sounding the shofar or by directly notifying the king.[4]

Is it the intention of these two stanzas to nullify the value of man’s efforts to build his house and to protect the security of his city? This cannot be possible; it would be an offense both to common sense and to the prevailing biblical view that a person must exert effort for the sake of securing his own existence.[5] Indeed, those among the early commentators who interpret our psalm in its general human context (and not in relation to the building of the Temple)[6] explain that it does not contradict common sense or the accepted biblical conventions concerning human effort. According to their interpretations, man’s own efforts are a necessary but insufficient condition, and in the absence of God’s hidden involvement, man’s efforts will not attain their objective.

Ibn Ezra explains:

Since (the verse) starts by mentioning building (of a house), which is a great need for people… and the meaning of (the words), “toil in vain” is – if God does not help them, or brings a strong wind that can destroy everything. Thus, (the verse) mentions the artisans – who are the builders, thereafter the watchmen of the building – who are the watchmen of the city… and then (in the third stanza), the merchants of the city.


The Meiri expresses the same idea somewhat more clearly:

(The psalm) says, as advice and guidance for people, that when they invest effort in their property, even though effort is good, one should not place one’s faith in his own efforts and not think, when he obtains his desire, that it was his effort that achieved this for him. Rather, everything is from the blessed God, and it is He Who inspired him to make the effort, and it is He Who brought him to achieve his desire. The Torah warns, in this regard (Devarim 8:17-18), “And you say in your heart, ‘My strength and the might of my hand have achieved all this wealth for me,’" up until “you shall remember the Lord your God, for is it He Who gives you strength to make wealth”.[7]

After completing his commentary on the first three stanzas of our psalm, he comes back to his original message:

And all of this (is meant) not to discourage one from investing effort – for you will find no wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth. Rather, (the message is that) one should not place all of his trust in it (i.e., human effort), and not believe, when he achieves (his aim), that he has achieved what he has by his own effort; rather, God has graciously given it to him.

Given the Meiri’s view that our psalm provides general moral and religious guidance for all people, it seems strange that the psalmist choose the negative formulation to teach this lesson (“Unless God builds a house…”), rather than a positive formulation (“Only if God…”). Hence, it would appear that our psalm is meant to serve as rebuke to people who act improperly and who believe that only through their own strength and might can they build themselves houses and cities[8], and ensure their own security and livelihood. It is to these people that the psalmist declares that their efforts will be in vain, for God will not look with favor upon their actions, and they will not last if they are contrary to God’s will.



(to be continued)

Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] A synonymous parallel is one where the two limbs express identical or similar content. The opposite of a synonymous parallel is a contrasting parallel, for example: “A wise son makes his father joyful, but a foolish son is the grief of his mother” (Mishlei 10:1).

The terminology used here represents a translation of that set down in an article by Batsheva Brosh, “Hora’at ha-Tikbolet be-Shira ha-Mikrait”, published in Al ha-Perek 1, 1984, pp. 51-61.

[2] A direct parallel is one where structurally the two limbs are set out in the same order. The opposite of a direct parallel is a chiastic parallel. These two terms have nothing to do with the content of the limbs in question: both a direct parallel and a chiastic parallel may be either synonymous or contrasting, in terms of content (see previous note).

[3] A complete parallel is where the same syntactical elements appear in both limbs. The opposite of a complete parallel is an incomplete parallel, where one of the limbs is missing some syntactical element which exists in the other limb, and this element must be added from one limb to the other (sometimes from the first limb to the second, at other times the other way around).

[4] An exact description of the role of the watchman is to be found in Yechezkel 33:1-6 (and further on, the role of the prophet is compared to that of the watchman). A description of the specific action performed by the watchman is to be found in Shmuel II 13:34, and in more detail in Shmuel II 18:24-27 and Melakhim II 9:17-20. In the three latter sources, the watchman fulfills his task by notifying the king of the approach of some (still distant) unidentified party. However, in each of these cases it turns out that the party in question is not an enemy coming to conquer the city.

Since the action of the watchman is not connected to physical activity, like that of the builders of the house, the word “bo” is absent from the second limb of the parallel.

[5] The sources cited in the previous note suffice to show that guarding the city is regarded as an absolute obligation, and that anyone who is negligent in this regard is fully responsible for the consequences (see the description of the watchman in Yechezkel 33).

Similarly, a person’s obligation to work for his livelihood is likewise clear in Tanakh. For example, Tehillim 104:23: “Man goes out to his work and to his labor until evening.”

In Sefer Mishlei we find many recommendations for significant human effort and conscientiousness in work for the sake of making a living (as we will discuss further on), but concerning a person’s home we read in Kohelet 10:18 – “From sloth the beams collapse, and through idleness of the hands the house leaks”.

This subject is addressed at length (including a discussion of our psalm) in a book by Dr. Amos Frisch, “Yegi’a Kapecha – Yachas ha-Mikra el ha-Avoda”, Ha-Kibbutz ha-Me’uchad, 5759.

[6] Most of the commentators explain this psalm, taking a cue from its introductory words, as referring to the building of the Temple, whether by David – who exerted considerable effort but was unsuccessful, or by Shlomo – who finally did built it. Some of these commentators go on to explain it as referring to “people of the world” – i.e., they regard it as a “psalm of wisdom” that imparts a lesson to all of mankind. We will adopt this view in our study of the psalm.

[7] It would seem that the Meiri cites the verses here from his memory. He misquotes verse 18 slightly; I have cited the correct version of the verse.

[8] I am reminded of the builders of the Tower of Bavel, who said (Bereishit 11:4), “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower…”. They disregarded the message of our psalm, concerned only with their own strength and their name. However, God “did not build” the city and the tower, but sought to halt their construction, and therefore (verse “God dispersed them from there over all of the face of the earth, and they ceased to build the city.”

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



C. Stanza 3 in comparison with its predecessors



The third stanza differs from its predecessors in several respects. Firstly, it lacks the negative conditional clause – “If God does not…." This could convey the impression that awakening early and settling late are negative in and of themselves, independently of the question of God’s partnership in the efforts of those who conduct themselves in this way.



Secondly, while both of the previous stanzas speak in the third person of people who exert effort in vain, here we find that the psalmist addresses them directly, in the second person: “It is vain for you…."



Thirdly, while the “vain” action in each of the previous stanzas was a single activity (building, guarding), described in a single line of poetry, the third stanza offers three different vain activities (arising early, settling late, eating), all carried out for a single purpose – apparently, to make a living – but this purpose is not mentioned in the text.[1] This stanza therefore consists entirely of the three actions whose heading is, “in vain."



We must now ask, does the third stanza represent a smooth thematic continuation of its predecessors, or do the differences between them indicate that some new point is being made here?



Notwithstanding the differences set forth above, there are several decisive factors that place the third stanza as an unbroken continuation.



Firstly, the appearance of the word “shav” (“in vain”) at the outset represents the third repetition of this word, after it has appeared in each of the two previous stanzas. Apparently, the intention here is as it was in the previous stanzas: “There is no value to your actions unless God is party to them.”



Secondly, the types of human activity addressed previously – the building of a house and the guarding of a city – illustrate two typical areas of human existential endeavor: finding shelter and ensuring security. The third stanza seems to complement these by presenting another – even more prominent – typical existential area of effort: economic viability.



The three stanzas would therefore appear to represent a single idea that is broken down into three examples. It is therefore not reasonable to posit that the third stanza comes to present a new idea, different from the one expressed in the first two, without explaining its meaning.



What, then, is the meaning of the differences between the third stanza and its predecessors?



Let us first address the matter of the missing condition: “Unless God…." For this purpose we must go back to the parallel nature of the stanzas.



The third stanza itself is built as a parallel with three limbs.[2] Is there also a parallel between the third stanza and the previous two? (We have already seen that the first two stanzas maintain a clear parallel.)



The answer would seem to be clearly in the affirmative. The third stanza is a parallel in synonymous, chiastic, incomplete[3] form, as follows:



Stanzas a,b: If God does not…. … in vain





Stanza c: It is vain for you --



Considering that the third stanza parallels the previous stanzas in terms of content (hence our definition of this as a “synonymous parallel”), we must ask why its structure is different (bringing the consequence to the beginning of the sentence, and thereby producing a chiastic parallel), and why this stanza is lacking a part, requiring the intuition of its complement on the basis of the two previous stanzas (hence the definition as an “incomplete parallel”).



The answer to these questions is that all of the changes characterizing stanza c. in relation to its predecessors arise from the fact that this stanza concludes the first section of the psalm. I shall presently explain what this means.



When a chiastic parallel follows a direct one, it is often meant to “wrap up” the statement that is being made. As in many other instances in Tanakh, the chiasm here expresses conclusion and confirmation.[4] The third stanza concludes the first section of the psalm, and is therefore presented as a chiastic parallel to the two preceding stanzas.



The fact that the parallel is incomplete arises from the length of the description, in this stanza, of actions that are “vain”: there is an enumeration of three actions instead of a single one as in the previous stanzas. Thus, the number of words in this stanza (9) is equal to the number in the previous stanzas. Had the conditional clause (“Unless God…”) been added here, the quantitative balance would have been lost, with the consequent implications for the rhythm which would have been similarly affected – along with aesthetic considerations.[5]



However, we may ask: why does the third stanza need to enumerate three different activities that are undertaken “in vain”, rather than sufficing with just one? The answer is, once again, that since this stanza “sums up” the message of the first part of the psalm, the idea of “vanity” is expressed here with greater intensity and with greater variation – and hence, necessarily, at greater length. I will explain this further.



We have already hinted above that the example of human effort in the quest for existential needs that is discussed in this third stanza – the toil to ensure economic viability, to obtain sustenance – is a more obvious example than either of the two preceding ones. Why is this so?



The building of a house lasts for a limited time. When the action is complete, the house stands firm, and its inhabitant has satisfied his existential need for shelter.

The guarding of a city, in contrast, is an action that continues – every day and every night. However, this action is not one that every person engages in. The city guards are a small, defined group of people for whom guarding is a permanent, professional occupation. Furthermore, while guarding the city is unquestionably a position of great responsibility, it does not involve much physical effort – unlike many other human endeavors (such as building a house).



In a league of its own is the Sisyphean effort to make a living. This ongoing effort is the lot of every person, for all of his life. It requires that a person devote his days, from early in the morning until the evening, to hard work involving physical and mental exertion.



Thus, the message here is that it is not only the relatively brief endeavors (such as building a house) or professional specializations (like guarding) whose success depends on Divine involvement and help, but also – and especially – the endeavor that is most characteristic of the human condition, and the most demanding: making a living.



In light of this, the third stanza represents the most intensive expression of the idea set forth in the first part of the psalm. This also explains the extra enumeration of actions that are carried out “in vain” in this stanza – with ramifications for its structure and its parallel relationship with its predecessors.



The third stanza involves one further development: the psalmist addresses the people toiling to earn their bread in the second person: “It is vain for you…." This technique serves to intensify the tone of reproof that was already hinted at in the previous stanzas.



Previously, we noted that the formulation of the moral, religious message of our psalm in the negative (“Unless God builds… in vain”) alludes to the Divine retribution awaiting builders of the house and guards of the city who are not worthy of Divine partnership in their actions, and who will therefore see no success in their endeavors.



This note of rebuke becomes more tangible when the psalmist addresses people directly. The actions of these people, toiling endlessly to obtain sustenance, will not achieve anything if they are not blessed by God.



Thus, despite the differences between the third stanza and the two preceding ones – and by means of those differences – the third stanza turns out to represent a continuation and development of the same idea that they introduced.



(to be continued)



Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] The reason for its absence would seem to arise from the first difference that we noted above between the third stanza and the first two: previously, the purpose of the human activity – the building of the house or the guarding of the city – was noted in the conditional clause. However, since no conditional clause exists in the third stanza, there is no mention of the purpose of the activity that is carried out “in vain”, and we must conclude this from the nature of the activity that is described. Had some conditional clause existed here, the verse would read, “If God does not provide food”, or the suchlike.

[2] The parallel here is synonymous, direct, and incomplete (see the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms), as follows:

“It is vain for you to rise up early

to settle late

to eat the bread of toil.”

While the third stanza is not a complete parallel with the previous ones, it nevertheless expresses the same idea and with a similar word order.

[3] See the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms.

[4] As discussed at length and in detail by A. Mirsky z”l in his work, “Ha-Pissuk shel ha-Signon ha-Ivri” (First Edition, Mossad ha-Rav Kook, Jerusalem 5738; Second Edition published as “Signon Ivri,” Jerusalem 5759). Just two of the many examples that he cites are Tehillim 115:5-7 and 22:24.

[5] The first three stanzas, comprising the first part of the psalm, are all of about the same length – 8-9 words. The length of the four stanzas comprising the second part are likewise of similar length – 6-7 words. To illustrate the literary reason for the difference in the parallel that appears in the third stanza, let us imagine how the text would read had the direct and complete parallel continued into this stanza:

“Unless God builds a house its builders toil in vain.

Unless God guards a city the guard watches in vain.

Unless God grows bread those who awaken early and settle late do so in vain; those who work the ground eat the bread of toil.”

While the idea is expressed here more clearly than it is in the psalm as we have it, there can be no question that the literary and musical appeal is gone, and thus the whole moral and thematic power is lost

by:Phillip Hudson, Steve Lewis
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petras wrote: 23-11-2011, 07:54 PM

The World from Berlin

Berlin's Reaction to Neo-Nazi Terror 'Is Too Late'

German papers were filled Wednesday with images of Chancellor Angela
Merkel and members of her cabinet standing with their heads bowed on the
floor of the Bundestag. Their statement said: "We are deeply ashamed."

The current interior minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, reportedly is
looking for a way to ban the NPD without stopping the use of informants,
which would mean that the authorities would lose a valuable source of
information about the party. The departing Israeli ambassador to Berlin,
Yoram Ben-Zeev, has also called for a ban of the party. He told
the mass circulation daily Bild: "Democracies must fight against such
things. I don't want to draw comparisons, but the Nazis were also a
legitimate party. They came to power in a legitimate way."

'I thank President (Christian) Wulff that he will be meeting today with
the relatives, and offering a sign of solidarity and sympathy from the
entire German people,' said Merkel.

'These attacks were no more and no less than an attack on our democratic system,' she said.

Responding to opposition allegations that domestic intelligence agencies
had paid less attention to rightists than to leftists, she said, 'We
can do without that ... It drives a wedge into the unity among democrats.'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...799500,00.html
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...cy-says-Merkel





First picture of "wedge" on google: RED SHOES, peep-toes, TOMS
(note the colours of the label)

Zeev

Zeh = toe in German



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Intelligent design



see: Watchmaker analogy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Quote:Originally Posted by petras

The "NSU - Döner-Kebab-Bosphorus serial murders"
entangled in a web of various secret services' interests
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el kabong wrote:Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland









This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche?

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia.



http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........



Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.




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Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?



Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)

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goldenprince wrote:

true
lilly wrote:

goldenprince wrote:

true
lilly wrote:

goldenprince wrote:yet another id to post under...thanks for
telling me everything i needed to know about what is happening on here
now...you clearly feel the need to come out and protect icke as what has
been hidden is revealing itself very quickly, best of luck with that
but your not turning this tide

Hello.
Like your sig.
"All that is for you , will not pass you by. "
...and that you seem to get the bleeding obvious

Many
thanks lilly, my sig is what i live by it helps keep my spiritual path
in perspective and means i dont yearn for more, as i only get what is
for me, as for the bleeding obviuos as you say, yes i have for a long
while now but just carried on with my own growth until i decided to join
here, i notice that one of the three [same] posters has deleted a post
[sod-haus] as it showed a clear pattern of using different id's to try
and shut me down, but thanks for showing their are worthwhile posters
too.

take care

Thank You, goldenprince.
Nice to see some else gets the concept of "enough".

And yes, shutting down any individual who shows independent thinking,
seems to be the equivalent of 'production line work' for paid positions
working in the 'Forum Land' sections of the World Wide Web of Deception.

Thanks lilly , i have just posted a new topic about icke going crazy over being questioned check it out

true lilly wrote:DUCK HUNTER SHOT BY HIS DOG

Duck hunter shot by his dog


12:41PM
AFP
A MAN was shot in the buttocks
when his dog stepped on a shotgun
during a hunting trip in Utah,
firing off a bullet.

guivre wrote:02-12-2011, 07:03 PM #32580

Originally Posted by tintin Le Mans, Heineken White and Vermeer. IX Vermeer Colin Firth played VERMEER and he means THE KING's SPEECH. MLK = KLM = TENERIFE MILK and MLK. Milk: Mata Hari Famous statue in MATA HARI birthplace LEEUWARDEN.

Oh wow, this is interesting. Here we go with word fragments again.

This is a statue just north of where I grew up. Also in the town thats the
farthest northwest of Chicago on the commuter train line:

Harmilda the Cow, Milk Day Festival


(this is a better shot of the statue but is too big to put in the thread: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rvardIlCow.JPG
Quote:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2448

• Shoe Tree, Woodstock, IL - 6 mi.
  
• Statue of Romeo, The Killer Elephant, Delavan, WI - 15 mi.
  
• Giraffe Statue, Delavan, WI - 15 mi.
  
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• In the region: University of Lawsonomy, Sturtevant, WI - 38 mi.
  

Well, it makes sence."tintin" does NOT post "TODAY'S NEWS"
in TODAY'S NEWS, well NOT NEWS for the general public,
but NEWS FOR HIS OWN BLACK CIRCLES.

"tintin" doesn't waste time posting random, non-sequitur words,
but links to "innocent looking", CODED sites, that
HIS OWN BLACK CIRCLES KNOW HOW TO READ.

I've posted some, and NOT POSTED MANY examples
over the years, of links to sites that READ JUST LIKE
"TINTIN'S" Thread, only with EVEN MORE DETAIL...

and I did warn, to pay attention to what
I was NOT SAYING...

Chatty Belle, Neillsville, WI.

Kadie the Cow, Columbus, GA.

Joining the herd, Ashburn, GA.

• Giraffe Statue, Delavan, WI - < 1 mi.
  
• Watson's Wild West Museum - 2,000 Branding Irons, Elkhorn, WI - 7 mi.
  
• Harmilda the Cow, Milk Day Festival, Harvard, IL - 15 mi.
  
• In the region: University of Lawsonomy, Sturtevant, WI - 36 mi.
  
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  WI Dells Delavan Lake Resort Grand Geneva Resort Delavan Lake Lake Geneva WI Evergreen Golf Club nobodyswife wrote:http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3259 @ Tintin funny that you mention all the Pearl links, girl with a pearl earring and Vermeer which by the way is my favorite painter ever. Colin Firth was sublime as ever as Vermeer. RED ALERT !!!! Canadian Prime minister Stephan Haarper to meet with Obama at the white house on the 7th of december; that's Pearl Harbor Day False flag coming : They are targeting Canada. also Michelle Obama at the lightening of the outside Christmas tree at the White house was with Kermit the frog... They call french canadians frogs NO, as with all "their" "FAILED PREDICTIONS", this is NO PREDICTION, but a "HEADS UP" to "THEIR" OWN BLACK CIRCLES and HIDDEN CELLS.

dixie dean wrote:03-12-2011, 01:26 AM #32582
Quote:

Originally Posted by nobodyswife @ Tintin funny that you mention all the Pearl links, girl with a pearl earring and Vermeer which by the way is my favorite painter ever. Colin Firth was sublime as ever as Vermeer. RED ALERT !!!! Canadian Prime minister Stephan Haarper to meet with Obama at the white house on the 7th of december; that's Pearl Harbor Day False flag coming : They are targeting Canada. also Michelle Obama at the lightening of the outside Christmas tree at the White house was with Kermit the frog... They call french canadians frogs

Strange you mention December 7. I had it up on my computer.

Quote:

December 7 is the 341st day of the year (342nd in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 24 days remaining until the end of the year.

24 is 42 reversed and as Tintin says next week will be week 49

49 is the Country Code for Germany

I'm also wondering if there is a link to Samsung Galaxy S II
Last edited by dixie d; 03-12-2011 at 01:32 AM.

03-12-2011, 02:01 AM #32583
Quote:

Originally Posted by guivre Oh wow, this is interesting. Here we go with word fragments again. This is a statue just north of where I grew up. Also in the town thats the farthest northwest of Chicago on the commuter train line: Harmilda the Cow, Milk Day Festival (this is a better shot of the statue but is too big to put in the thread: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rvardIlCow.JPG

I notice it mentions Illinois on you link and on that page I notice the following...

Quote:

Three U.S. Presidents have been elected while living in Illinois—Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and Barack Obama. Additionally, President Ronald Reagan, whose political career was based in California, was the only US President actually born and raised in Illinois. Today, Illinois honors Lincoln with its official state slogan, Land of Lincoln, which has been displayed on its license plates since 1954.

Also with you mentioning Cows it made me think of one of my first computers which was a Gateway, Inc. On the gateway Wiki page you see the following...

Quote:

Gateway Computer Corporation, is a computer hardware company headquartered in Irvine, California, USA which develops, manufactures, supports, and markets a wide range of personal computers, computer monitors, servers, and computer accessories.

I purchased my Gateway computer in Chester and I also knew a guy
by the name of Barry Irvine who lived just down the road from where I
lived. I have a feeling it might involve a Massage Parlour and on that page
you see the following...

A massage parlor and soapland in Chiang Mai, Thailand

I put Soyuri into Google and one of the pages I found was Global Nanpa

I'd imagine that Massage will be linked to Geoff and his Honda motorcycle with the registration 81(0) and 81 is the country Code for Japan

Also the guy I knew Barry Irvine worked on Rigs for British Gas

Also on the Gateway Wiki page you see the following...



Quote:

In the early and mid-2000s, the company struggled; after years as a fixture on the Fortune 500 list of largest companies worldwide, the company was not listed in 2006, having dropped to number 508. Gateway was acquired by Acer Inc. in 2007.

Quote:

Gateway was founded on September 5, 1985, on a farm outside Sioux City, Iowa, by Ted Waitt and Mike Hammond. Originally called Gateway 2000, it was one of the first widely successful direct sales PC companies, utilizing a sales model copied from Dell, and playing up its Iowa roots with low-tech advertisements proclaiming "Computers from Iowa?". Shipping computers in spotted boxes patterned after cow markings (specifically, Holstein cows) became a Gateway standard. In 1989 Gateway moved its corporate offices and production facilities to North Sioux City, South Dakota. In line with the Holstein cow mascot, Gateway opened a chain of retail stores called Gateway Country Stores, mostly in suburban areas across the United States. It dropped the "2000" from its name on October 31, 1998.

My last computer in the UK was a Dell and was what I had the last
time I saw Barry Irvine. The first computer I had here in Chaing Mai was
an Acer. One day I spilt some beer on the keyboard and ruined it, I
took it to Acer Customer Service Center - Chiang Mai.

You also have a link to Holstein (cattle)



Quote:

Holstein cattle (also known as Holstein-Friesian cattle or Friesian cattle) is a breed of cattle known today as the world's highest production dairy animal. Originating in Europe, Holsteins were bred in what is now the Netherlands and more specifically in the two northern provinces of North Holland and Friesland. The animals were the regional cattle of the Batavians and Frisians, two tribes who settled in the coastal Rhine region around 2,000 years ago.

You can also buy Dutch milk here in Chaing Mai and it has a Windmill on it.

I'm also wondering if there is a link to Havard University

Dell computers also remind me of Jasmine Homes and a guy by the name of
Del (Derek).

I'm also wondering if there might be a link to Cadbury Dairy Milk
and Cadbury Roses and the word Sex.

Also where I lived in the UK there was an old couple who lived over the
road and the lady by the name of Ellie was from Belguim and she had a
son who was Gay.

So, whether there are any links in what I've posted, I don't know.
Last edited by dixie d; 03-12-2011 at 02:23 AM.

guivre wrote: 03-12-2011, 03:11 AM #32584
Quote:

Originally Posted by dixie d Also with you mentioning Cows it made me think of one of my first computers which was a Gateway, Inc. On the gateway Wiki page you see the following... Also on the Gateway Wiki page you see the following...

You know I forgot that about Gateway computers, an interesting
choice of imagery there. It was an EXTREMELY popular brand for several
years. Hmm.


Last edited by guivre; 03-12-2011 at 03:25 AM.

dixie dean wrote: 03-12-2011, 03:29 AM #32585

There must be something in this article...

£47, 000 RAID ON YOUR PENSION

47 is the Country Code for Norway and Svalbard and Jan Mayen

On the Svalbard and Jan Mayen Wiki page you see the following...



Quote:

Both Svalbard and Jan Mayen consist almost entirely of Arctic wilderness, such as at Bellsund in Svalbard

On the Bellsund Wiki page you see the following...



On the map you see the name Pyramiden

On that page you also see the following...

Quote:

It is now a ghost town. Within the buildings, things remain largely as they were when the settlement was abandoned in a hurry.

Ghost Town and on that page you see the following...


Berlin, Nevada, USA Ghost Town, taken in 2004

Also in the article you see the following...

Quote:

Experts warn that the switch would cost someone retiring at 65 with a £10,000-a-year final salary pension around £47,000 over the duration of their retirement, a loss of around 18 per cent of the total payout. The change will hit 5.4 million public sector workers and 2.4 million private sector staff. In addition a further 6.6 million pensioners also face a possible reduction in their incomes. Trade unions had accused Chancellor George Osborne of unlawfully attempting to reduce pension costs in the battle to cut the UK’s financial deficit.

Quote:

And Ian Rennie, general secretary of the Police Federation, said the policy smacked of double standards.

I'd imagine there is a link to List of Canadian Insurance Companies and
on that page you see the following...

Quote:

Laurentian Life - Absorbed by Imperial Life in 1993.

I took out a policy with Laurentian life while working at Port
Sunlight. Also in the UK you have to go on line through what is known as
the Government Gateway

I lost all my personal stuff here when I first arrived in Chaing Mai
at the Queen Victoria Pub, which included my Gateway Passwords and everything else.

So, whether there are links in that article I'm not sure.
Last edited by dixie d; 03-12-2011 at 03:49 AM.

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