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Post  true lilly on Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:45 pm

'funny' hey, that when Sony gets hacked
it makes World Wide 'News', yet back before
I was banned from D.I.F. No One wanted to Know
(or rather, HAVE IT BE KNOWN!),
that Australian MSN was reporting that,
AUSTRALIAN COUNCILS, BANKS, BUSINESSES,
WATER Boards, and even CHILD WELFARE sites, were
BEING SERIOUSLY HACKED, By FOREIGN Agents.

guiver wrote:21-06-2011, 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by guivre
Don't forget the famous 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago with the mantra: The whole world is watching!



http://www.jofreeman.com/sixtiesprotest/baptism.htm

For some reason I just realized the three W's in "The whole world is watching," www = world wide web, etc.

"for some reason"...
just compare 'guiver's' TIME of POST,
with my last post of GOD'S WARNING of

The World Wide WEB-NET!
Rolling Eyes
true lilly wrote:...SWAMP


WEB NET



Oh, and not only predictable, but God did warn us
of the ruinous trap, that is the WEB NET...

JEREMIAH 5:
26
For among my people are found wicked men:
they lay wait, as he that setteth snares;
they set a trap, they catch men.
27As a cage is full of birds,
so are their houses full of deceit:
therefore they are become great,
and waxen rich.


At the link (below), you will find the numbers for
all the root meanings; but please, don't stop
at those two lines, let these few examples
of the depth and breadth of God's Word,
found in only a few words, of 2 lines,
inspire you to seek to know Him, with
all your heart and all your mind.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=5&v=1&t=KJV#comm/26

Strong's H3353 - yaquwsh
Passive participle of יָקֹשׁ (H3369)
1) fowler, trapper, bait-layer

Strong's H3369 - yaqosh
A primitive root

1) to lure, entice, snare, lay a snare or lure, set a trap
a) (Qal)
1) to lay snares (fig. of devices of wicked)
2) fowlers (participle)
b) (Niphal) to be ensnared, be caught by a bait
c) (Pual) to be entrapped

Strong's H4889 - mashchiyth
From שָׁחַת (H7843)
1) ruin, destruction

Strong's H7843 - shachath

A primitive root

1) to destroy, corrupt, go to ruin, decay
a) (Niphal) to be marred, be spoiled, be corrupted,
be corrupt, be injured, be ruined, be rotted
b) (Piel)
1) to spoil, ruin
2) to pervert, corrupt, deal corruptly (morally)
c) (Hiphil)
1) to spoil, ruin, destroy
2) to pervert, corrupt (morally)
3) destroyer (participle)
d) (Hophal) spoiled, ruined (participle)

Strong's H3920 - lakad
A primitive root
1) to capture, take, seize
a) (Qal)
1) to capture, seize
2) to capture (of men) (fig.)
3) to take (by lot)
b) (Niphal)
1) to be captured
2) to be caught (of men in trap, snare) (fig.)
c) (Hithpael) to grasp each other

Strong's H3619 - kĕlub
From the same as כֶּלֶב (H3611)
1) cage, basket, dog cage

Strong's H3611 - keleb
From an unused root means.
to yelp, or else to attack
1) dog
a) dog (literal)
b) contempt or abasement (fig.)
c) of pagan sacrifice
d) of male cult prostitute (fig.)

Strong's H5775 - `owph
From עוּף (H5774)
1) flying creatures, fowl, insects, birds
a) fowl, birds
b) winged insects

Strong's H5774 - `uwph
A primitive root
1) to fly, fly about, fly away
a) (Qal)
1) to fly, hover
2) to fly away
b) (Hiphil) to cause to fly, light upon
c) (Polel)
1) to fly about or to and fro
2) to cause to fly to and fro, brandish
d) (Hithpolel) to fly away
2) (Qal) to cover, be dark

Strong's H4820 - mirmah
From רָמָה (H7411) in the sense of deceiving
1) deceit, treachery

Strong's H7411 - ramah
A primitive root
1) to cast, shoot, hurl
a) (Qal)
1) to throw
2) bow-shooters, bowmen (participle)
b) (Piel) to throw down
2) to beguile, deceive, mislead, deal treacherously
a) (Piel)
1) to beguile, deceive, mislead, trick
2) to deal treacherously with, betray


...and just to prove the point, 'they' simply had to,
scramble the format of that post (AGAIN!) to the point of
beingillegible...wonder how many more times 'they' will;
sometimes, up to a dozen, or after many repairs,
'they' don't let the post go through at all...oohhhh,
'wasting my time', nah, God knows the work I do,
and why, and so, 'you' are only further condemning
'your'SELVES.

Oh go on, click and have a look at what only,
the Maps of the academic web
in the European Higher Education Area,

really looked like...when it was even smaller:
http://internetlab.cindoc.csic.es/cv/11/EU_Web_maps/Net_50.GIF



"TOMBOT"= "tintin"?
Well it does 'look like' him, and the way
he likes to "have fun"
LAUGHING IN EVERYONE'S FACE
over his Big "JOKE"...


“Drawn” by an infosec engineer known simply as “TomBot”
and passed
down in email for years.
Click the diagram to get a bigger version.

Network Diagram by TomBot.

...and Knowing to Take Heed of God's Warning's,
that No Man has any power over The Deceiver's NETwork,
from my first time 'On Line', I've maintained the integrity of
the purpose of writing to those with ears that hear;
to Freely Share, The Very Best News Ever-:
THE CREATOR GOD EXISTS, IS PERFECTLY JUST and,
The Second, PERMANENT DEATH, is only for those who,
CHOOSE IT, of Their Own, Informed, Free Will!


Lily Pond


Marshland


...or..The SWAMP of The Deceivers...YOUR CHOICE!
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Post  true lilly on Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:27 pm

"for want of a nail, a shoe was lost,
for want of a shoe, a horse was lost...",
War is fluid. Battles can turn, 'for want of a nail',
a tiny oversight, human error or even a sudden
change in the weather, the shifting of one little cloud,
can cost a battle, and so, lose a war.

But, God Is Perfect, error free, so to pit, even all,
of man's knowledge against Him, is positively, insane.


cori wrote:
Originally Posted by yantra

didn´t hear about the Peter Falk
death either, but first thing i thought of was his role in the Wim
Wenders movie. And U2 ist connected to that, they wrote "Stay" for Wim
Wenders movie.
Today was a goodbye celebration for a friend who moves out of Berlin.
She was given a T-Shirt with "I love "New York" (crossed out) Berlin".

I´m still not sure.

What i really wonder is this. When all those signs appear, the latest
the Peter Falk death and his straight forward Berlin connection, then
what does it mean if nothing happens. What was it all about?
did we
create those signs? Didn´t they mean anything. I can´t beleive that.
It´s not like this May 21st story. It´s different, cause it´s not a
single book, thats uses, but the whole web of information and this webs
shows those clusters.

Thats a real good question.
Signs are there, definately.
But not always it happens as told in the signs.
So, perhaps, as I said before, something else might happen, and how it
connects to all this, we will only be able to tell after it happened.

...and here I am, with 'one of those feelings', that,
there is a 'change in the weather'; 'something' is 'not right';
a 'calculation' is 'in want of a decimal point'...some 'little thing' is
about to bring about 'big trouble'=a 'correction',
through God's Holy Spirit of Truth.


...and where,
after praying about this,
did I open The Book at...


LUKE 4:
9
Now he led him into Jerusalem and stationed him
upon the battlement of the temple and said to him:
“If you are a son of
God, hurl yourself down from here;
10
for it is written,
‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you,
to preserve you,’
11
and, ‘They will carry you on their hands,
that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’”
12
In answer Jesus said to him:
“It is said, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
13
So the Devil, having concluded all the temptation,
retired from him until another convenient time.

You're The One
https://youtu.be/KZKak2e_T20
May twelve angels guard you
While you sleep
Maybe that's a waste of Angels I don't know
I'd do anything to keep you safe
From the Danger that surrounds us


Little by little
Bit by bit
Little bit by little bit
Now you got it that's it
What're you thinking
Things'll go sour?
Check its temperature every hour
Nervous when you own it
Nervous when it's gone
What do you think has been going on
For so long?


You are the air
Inside my chest

You're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
You're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
You're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
You're the one

But when I hear it from the other side
It's a completely different song
I'm the one who made you cry
And I'm the one who's wrong
In my dream you spoke to me
Any you said

You're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
You're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
You're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
You're the one

Nature gives us shapeless shapes
Clouds and waves and flame
But human expectation
Is that love remains the same
And when it doesn't
We point our fingers
And blame blame blame

You're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
And I'm the one
I broke your heart
I made you cry
And you're the one
You broke my heart
You made me cry
We're the ones


Psalms 119 to 125...
...I will keep seeking good for you.
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Post  true lilly on Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:00 am


Dogs Name: Chief aka WarchiefAge: 4 years old
Breed: StaghoundSex: Male
Height: 29inches to the shoulderWeight: Approx 33kgs in working condition
Hunting style:All rounder, chief works all game from rabbits all the way up. He only
recently has been getting into the pigs but has switched on to this very
fast, after a few hours hunting is now wind scenting them. His
bloodline has been used on pigs quite a bit by guys here in WA and goes
back decades.

Submittd by Staghound.
Pigdog Facts and Myths

MYTH - Pigdogs are used to kill pigs.

This is not only untrue it is totally unacceptable behavior for a
pigdog. Pigdogs are used to locate and hold a pig in place for the
hunter to dispatch it, regardless if a bailing or holding dog. All due
care must be taken to minimize the chance of suffering to a captured
animal. A correctly trained holding dog will hold the pig by the ear or
cheek causing little if any damage to the captured boar.


MYTH – Pigdogs kill native wildlife and stock.

A correctly trained pigdog will ignore all other game when hunting in
the field. No hunting dog should be taken into the field until they are
both Stock and Native Wildlife proof. No hunter wants this type of
behavior in their pigdogs as you would quickly become unwelcome both in
the hunting community and by Landowners.



MYTH – Pigdogs are human and dog aggressive.

This behavior is both totally unacceptable in the hunting community and
society in general. Any pigdog that shows excessive aggression to
humans, other dogs or any other animal is immediately removed from a
hunting pack. This dog will not be reintroduced back into the pack
unless this behavior can be corrected and is removed from
any breeding program. It is however totally acceptable for your dog to
bark when visitors arrive or something startles them, especially at
night, this is perfectly normal behavior and acceptable for all dogs in
society.


Please
remember you and your dog are representing the hunting community, be
safe, be responsible, follow the laws and regulations for your area and
most importantly have fun.


Happy Hunting Hunting Pig Dogs of Australia

http://www.huntingpigdog.com/

Monday, April 25, 2011

Police powerless to act
over violent pig attacks

A 13-year-old boy was attacked by a pig
at a holiday park in Devon, suffering a bite on his arm.
Jordan Stock, from Pontypridd, south Wales,
suffered the injury at Cofton Holiday Park at Teignbridge.

Jordandid not require treatment for the injuries, but he is bruised.
Park owner Chris Jefferey said it was the latest in a series of attack
on people by pigs roaming in the area.



Devon and Cornwall Police officers said
they were not investigating,
as there was no criminal legislation
covering attacks by pigs.


Police confirmed the attack on 16 April.
A spokesman said:
"The only legislation that applies
to attacks on humans by animals
is the Dangerous Dogs Act
and that does not apply to pigs."


Cori

Pigs, Sheep and Wolves
https://youtu.be/Og58TwAQCPM


Big and fat
Pig’s supposed to look like that
Barnyard thug
Sleeps on straw and he calls it a rug
Yeah, that's a rug, okay
He's walking down the street
And nobody's gonna argue with him
He's a half a ton of pig meat

Up in the hills above the farm
Lives a pack of wolves
Never did no harm
Sleep all day
Hunt till four
Maybe catch a couple of rodents
You know, carnivore

Sheep in the meadow
Nibbling on some clover
One of the sheep wanders over
Sits by a rock
Separated from the flock
He's just sitting by a rock

Where'd he go?
I don't know
Well, he was here a minute ago
I don't know
Sheep's dead

Got a gash as big as a wolf's head
Oh, God

Big and fat
Pig’s supposed to look like that
Wallowing in lanolin
He's rubbing it into his pigskin
Police going crazy
Say, let’s get him
Let's get that wolf
Let's get him
Let's get that wolf
Let's get him
Let's kill him, let's get him
Let's kill him

Court-appointed lawyer wasn't very bright
Oh, maybe he was bright
Maybe it was just a late night
Yeah, it was just a late night
And he files some feeble appeal
And the governor says, “Forget it
It's a done deal
It’s election, I don't care, election
Let's give that wolf a lethal injection”
Let's get him, yeah, let’s get that wolf,
Let's kill him, let's get him
Let's kill him, let's get him, kill him
Let's get him and kill him

Whew, slow
Here comes the media
With their camera
Asking everyone's opinion
About pigs, sheep and wolves

Big and fat
Pig’s supposed to laugh like that
“This is hilarious
What a great time
I'm the pig who committed
The perfect crime”

All around the world
France and Scandinavia
Candlelight vigils
Protesting this behavior
It’s animal behavior
Animal behavior
It’s pigs, sheep and wolves
Pigs, sheep and wolves
Pigs, sheep and wolves
It’s animal behavior
It’s pigs, sheep and wolves

© 2000 Words and Music by Paul Simon







ah yes, and we are all free to choose
what sort of "animals" we should behave like...



http://www.paulsimon.com/music/surprise

"TINTIN" HATES, Paul Simon.
Not only because
"TINTIN" HATES "JEWS",
but because PAUL SIMON writes
what "TINTIN" SLAVES TO BURY,
THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD.


And The World LISTENS, and LOVES,
what PAUL SIMON WRITES!


Sad thing is, that years ago, I argued with
Contemporary "christian" Music Radio Programmers,
over Paul Simon,
explaining that he was writing PSALMS
for Our Age, For Ears That COULD HEAR...
but no, they could NOT 'hear' it and would NOT
play any of his music...well the years rolled on, and,
sure enough, he now CLEARLY and DIRECTLY,
writes of what I've been SHOWING in those years.
Facts of What Good Science Agree Is Real,
In This Real World...and that GOD DESCRIBED,
FROM THE BEGINNING.




OLD
The first time I heard “Peggy Sue”

I was twelve years old
Russians up in rocket ships
And the war was cold
Now many wars have come and gone
Genocide still goes on
Buddy Holly still goes on
But his catalog was sold


First time I smoked
Guess what? Paranoid.
First time I heard “Satisfaction”
I was young and unemployed
Down the decades every year
Summer leaves and my birthday’s here
And all my friends stand up and cheer
And say, “Man, you’re old”
Getting old
Old
You’re getting old


We celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas Day
And Buddha found nirvana along the lotus way
About 1,500 years ago the messenger Mohammed spoke
And his wisdom like a river flowed
Through hills of gold
Wisdom is old
The Koran is old
The Bible is old
Greatest story ever told

Disagreements?
Work ‘em out

The human race has walked the earth for 2.7 million
And we estimate the universe at 13–14 billion
When all these numbers tumble into your imagination
Consider that the Lord was there before creation
God is old
We’re not old
God is old
He made the mold

Take your clothes off
Adam and Eve


© 1999 Words and Music by Paul Simon
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Post  true lilly on Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:56 pm

CONtraDICTING...?

dict.
1. dictation
2. dictator
3. dictionary


CONfusing...?

for Most...unLESS
ONE CARES
to Sift and Sort
The Host from the ghost
from THE SPIRIT...

Leonard Cohen - The Traitor

https://youtu.be/WMehBiX9rz8


After receiving a large inheritance,
James Bond 007 is accused of improprieties and drummed out
of the British Secret Service. Disgusted with his former employers,
Bond places his services on the open market, where he later attracts the
attention of representatives of SPECTRE
who are quite willing to put their one-time enemy on their payroll. But
the whole thing was a hoax, just a plan to get Bond inside the enemy's
organization.


Prior to joining up, Bond spends a month in Monte Carlo with Miss 'Percy' Proud,
a CIA agent who teaches him everything she knows about programming languages
and computers in general.

This background allows Bond to attract Jay Autem Holy, an agent of SPECTRE
who left The Pentagon, faked his death, and later started a computer game company
that creates simulations based on real-life battles and wars.


Bond's allegiance to SPECTRE is periodically questioned throughout
the novel, even at one point going so far as to send Bond to a terrorist
training camp (known as "Erewhon") to see if he has 'the right stuff'.
Proving his worth, Bond becomes involved in a plot to destabilise
the Soviet Union and the United States, by forcing them to rid the world
of their nuclear weapons.

What SPECTRE leaders Tamil Rahani and Dr. Jay Autem Holy suspect, but
never fully realise is that Bond's resignation is false.
Along with Bond, the Secret Service plays a vital role in foiling SPECTRE; however,
Rahani, the current leader of SPECTRE is able to escape Bond's clutches
by parachuting out of an airship over Switzerland.


TRIVIA:
Gardner was prevented from having a scene in which Bond squares off on
a computer game simulation against the novel's villain Jay Autem Holy
because of a similar scene in the 1983 film Never Say Never Again.
Bond was supposed to be playing a simulation of "The Battle of Waterloo";
however, this was changed to a game based on "The Battle of Bunker Hill".
Interestingly, the Battle of Waterloo would later play a part in
the official 1987 Bond film, The Living Daylights.

dixie d wrote:27-06-2011, 01:46 AM
#29077

I'm not sure if there is anything in this.
Last night I watched the The Book of Eli (for the second time).
To be honest I found it difficult to get my head around,
especially that the movie ends at Alcatraz.

The movie stars Denzel Washington



I notice there is a time on that picture 1:15:10, I just wondered if there might be anything more on the picture.

I notice on the Denzel Washington Wiki page the following...

Quote:
Born Denzel Hayes Washington, Jr.
December 28, 1954 (age 56)
Mount Vernon, New York,
United States
On the Mount Vernon Wiki page you see the following...

Quote:

Mount Vernon is a city in Westchester County, New York, United States. It lies on the border of the New York City borough of The Bronx.
On the Westchester County Wiki page you see the following...

Quote:
Westchester County is a county located in the U.S. state of New
York. Westchester covers an area of 450 square miles (1,200 km2) and has
a population of approximately 950,000, residing in 45 municipalities.
It was named after the city of Chester in England, and the county seat is White Plains.
West Cheshire to me means West Cheshire Hospital, or Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust on that page you see the following...

Quote:
In 1983, a new A&E department and general hospital unit opened
on the site, which was then renamed Countess of Chester, in honour of
one the Princess of Wales's more obscure titles. The naming ceremony was
performed by the Prince and Princess of Wales, Prince Charles and
Diana, Princess of Wales.
So to me there is a link from Washington to Prince Charles, I say Prince Charles, because Lady Diana died.

I'm also wondering if there might be a link from that movie to Enlil and Maybe C/2010 X1 or as we know it Elenin.

Enlil and Elenin

I need to think about this a bit more.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yantra

so the game is over and everything is alright. I´m relieved but at the same time irritated. What was it all about now?
Yantra,

I just though, I wonder if there is anything in the word Anti Climax?

hey, don't ask me...

I speak, WHO Listens?
WHO LISTENS...

found this post AFTER, The ABOVE...
Was Posted.

but, I do wonder, I HAVE TO WONDER...
and NOW I'll go wander,
through those links...
Crumbs, Leads...

...out and away from
The Witches Oven...
is where...

All ways and For ever, I HAVE TO WANDER...
I was BORN in SUCH blood...

BLESS GOD, Thank The SPIRIT.

Very Happy...found this, after that...

The printing press at Alcatraz begins printing
the new King James version Bible,

after which Lombardi places a copy on the bookshelf
between copies of
the Torah and Qur'an.

Solara is offered sanctuary in Alcatraz,

but she instead chooses to head back HOME. Wink Smile

Often referred to
as "The Rock",
the small island served
as a
LIGHThouse

FIRST Google, for 1:15:10
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+1%3A15%2CMark+10%3A29&version=NKJV

or What Is Shown There,
in other words...


Mark 1:15
and saying:
“The appointed time has been fulfilled,
and the kingdom of God has drawn near.
Be repentant, YOU people,
and have faith in the good news.”


Mark 10:29
Jesus said: “Truly I say to YOU
men,
No one has left house or brothers or sisters
or mother or father
or children or fields for my sake
and for the sake of the good news


...which continues...

30
who will not get a hundredfold now in this period
of time,
houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and
fields,
with persecutions, and in the coming system of things
everlasting life.
31
However, many that are first will be last, and the last first.”

LISTEN, HEAR...
TEN YEARS...

https://youtu.be/OEDc9cUKpo4

Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2010_X1

As of 21 May 2011,
the coma has exceeded 100,000 km.



The Great Comet of 1861
discovered by John Tebbutt of
Windsor, New South Wales,
Australia, on

May 13, 1861

It was not visible
in the northern hemisphere

until June 29,
but it arrived before word of
the comet's discovery.

The comet of 1861
interacted with the Earth
in an almost unprecedented way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/1861_J1

...ah, sift and sort it FOR Your Selves,
lest The One Who Will,
CORRECT US all the more...

...and following that edit,
I find:

dixie d wrote:
Edelweiss,

Not meaning again to be rude I was looking at the Wiki page for The Sound of Music and on that page you notice the following...

Quote:
It is based on the memoir of Maria von Trapp, The Story of the Trapp
Family Singers. Many songs from the musical have become standards,
including the title song "The Sound of Music", "Edelweiss", "My Favorite Things", "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" and "Do-Re-Mi".
I notice that Edelweiss is a flower and you also name flowers Plants, so going back to the Sound of Music Wiki page I notice the following...

Quote:
In Salzburg, Austria, just before World War II, nuns from Nonnberg Abbey sing the Dixit Dominus.
One of the postulants, Maria Rainer, is on the nearby mountainside
regretting leaving the beautiful hills ("The Sound of Music") where she
was raised. She returns late.
Dixit isn't far from the name Dixie is it? So, I go to the Dixit Dominus Wiki page...

As you can see that link takes you to Psalm 110. That Psalm is a Psalm of David and it also happens to be on page 402 which without the zero would make 42. This Bible I have was given to me by a guy who runs a Church of Christ, from his house.

Whether that was a plant or not, I don't know.
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LOVE and BLESSINGS
https://youtu.be/pP1CCH7DEQM

Psalms 110:1-7
Of David. A melody.

1
The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is:
“Sit at my right hand
Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”


2
The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:]
“Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.”


3
Your people will offer themselves willingly on the day of your military force.
In the splendors of holiness, from the womb of the dawn,
You have your company of young men just like dewdrops.


4
Jehovah has sworn (and he will feel no regret):
“You are a priest to time indefinite
According to the manner of Mel·chiz´e·dek!”


5
Jehovah himself at your right hand
Will certainly break kings to pieces on the day of his anger.


6
He will execute judgment among the nations;
He will cause a fullness of dead bodies.
He will certainly break to pieces the head one over a populous land.


7
From the torrent valley in the way he will drink.
That is why he will raise high [his] head.
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Post  MoMo on Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:18 am

Ahoy!!! You've got two choices lilly; #1: Hold onto the pain and wallow in self-pity or;

#2: Accelerate your healing process and climb to new levels of fulfillment and understanding.

Cause & Effect

Gratitude, realise your 'cup runneth over'...........you have Freewill

The moment you let go of expectations you invoke Freewill, your ego is no longer in control
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Post  true lilly on Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:48 am


Rudd slams anti-Israeli protests


7:41PM
Nathan Mawby
KEVIN Rudd today made a stand
against anti-Israeli demonstrators
who targeted a Melbourne chocolate store
earlier this month.
13 comments on this story

Kevin Rudd slams anti-Israeli protests as 'archaic'

  • Nathan Mawby
  • From:
    Herald Sun
  • July 14, 2011
    7:41PM
  • 13 comments

Kevin Rudd talks with Labor MP Michael Danby at Max Brenner Chocolate Bar, QV.
Picture: Ben Swinnerton.
Herald Sun
AUSTRALIA'S former Prime Minister, now Foreign Minister,
Kevin Rudd
today made a stand against anti-Israeli demonstrators
who targeted a
Melbourne chocolate store earlier this month.

The demonstration in the heart of Melbourne's CBD
on July 1
resulted in 19 protesters being arrested
and three police being injured.

Militant protesters targeted the Max Brenner store in QV on Lonsdale St and claimed the franchise had aided the Israeli Army.

But
today Mr Rudd took time to meet with Jewish MP for Melbourne Ports,
Michael Danby, at the same Max Brenner store for a hot chocolate and a
slice of cake.

He said the decision was a personal one not
intended to reflect the government's views,
but slammed the protesters
for the archaic stunt.


''I went there deliberately to make a
point and that is I don't think in 21st century Australia there is a
place for the attempted boycott of a Jewish business,
''
he said.
Related Coverage

  • 19 arrested at anti-Israel protest Herald Sun, 2 Jul 2011
  • Chocolate protest boils over Herald Sun, 1 Jul 2011
  • Labor accused of being anti-Israel The Australian, 2 Jun 2011
  • Drop Israel boycott, Albanese urges The Australian, 18 Apr 2011
  • Greens senator defiant over Israel boycott Herald Sun, 15 Apr 2011
''I thought we had learned that from history.''

Mr Rudd
also gave the store his personal tick of approval crediting the
franchise as one of the best hot chocolate providers in Australia - and
recommending the hot chocolate with mint.

Though he admitted the
calorie laden chocolate slice would come back to haunt him as his wife,
Therese Rein, plans a winter routine to keep him in shape.

Mr Danby described those responsible for the protests as militants as he discussed the incident with Mr Rudd.

He said the presence of Mr Rudd was a message to those responsible that their views were not accepted by the wider community.

''What
it says is that mainstream Australia refutes both their attacks and
what they stand for and their strategies,
'' Mr Danby said.

...mmm...are they saying,
"DEATH TO THOSE WHO SAY,
'BELIEVE IN ALIENS, KILL JEWS!'"

or,
"THOSE LOONY LEFT 'Peace' FREAKS,
WHO SELL Belief In 'Aliens',
ALSO SELL THE LIE
that 'ALL THE LOST,
SCATTERED, MIXED and MINGLED MEMBERS
of ALL THE TRIBES of ISRAEL, MUST DIE.'"

or,
is the 'BEAR' Hat girl a sign that it is time to,
"GET UP AND DEVOUR MUCH FLESH"
????


Seriously,
I'm too peeved at the moment
(with certain backstabbers
who think I don't know
how very close my enemies are),
to be bothered to think for others,
but there IS A LOT MORE 'SAID' in
this bizarre image, than the very,
little written coverage given.


48 in religion:


  • The prophecies of 48 Jewish prophets and 7 prophetesses [1] were recorded in the Tanakh for posterity
  • According to the Mishnah, Torah wisdom is acquired via 48 ways (Pirkei Avoth 6:6)
  • Siddhartha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism, sat under a bodhi tree for 48 days attempting to understand the nature of reality and Universe. Buddhism was the result.

B-side
"Little Bitch Blue"
"48 Crash" is Suzi Quatro's second single after
"Can the Can".
It was included on her debut album Suzi Quatro
(known as Can the Can in Australia).

Suzi Quatro singles chronology
"Can the Can"
(1973)
"48 Crash"
(1973)
"Daytona Demon"
(1974)


...ah, and LOTS MORE here to consider:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/48_%28number%29
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Post  true lilly on Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:20 pm

true lilly wrote:...mmm...our router just got 'routed' again,
cutting off the Internet, restoring, cutting off,
restoring...in real time response to trying to
post this in this thread...

I can't help but notice how much of this report
contains
Team Tintin's recent
CODED THREATS...AND GLOATING.

And knowing how much time Local Members of Team Tintin
(like those thugs who bash old ladies in their own home),
spend on Internet Selling Sites as well as PRETENDING to
befriend real people Under False I.D.'s in Forums,
I can't
help but wonder...


true lilly wrote:Web transactions may hold clue
in fatal bashing of Sally Brooks


  • Amelia Harris
  • From:
    Herald Sun
    July 15, 2011
    6:29AM



POLICE want to speak to anyone who
arranged to buy items online

from a woman who was fatally assaulted.

Homicide Squad detectives are appealing for information
as they investigate the Donvale assault
and subsequent death of Sally Brooks

this month.
Investigators believe the 48-year-old
was a seller on ebay.com,
gumtree.com.au and
carsales.com.au
.
Ms Brooks died in hospital on July 11
after being found inside her
Limassol Court home
with life-threatening injuries on July 1.

She is believed to have been assaulted between 9am and 2pm.
Police want to speak to anyone who saw Ms Brooks
walking along Reynolds Rd between 8.45am and 10am
on the day of the assault.
It is also believed a dark-coloured car
may have been in the vicinity of
Limassol Court or the Currawong Bush Park
car parks on the same day.


Related Coverage

  • Woman dies after brutal bashing Herald Sun, 1 day ago
  • Street search for evidence Herald Sun, 2 Jul 2011
  • Missing teen feared dead Herald Sun, 24 Jun 2011
  • Foul play feared in Bung mystery Herald Sun, 23 Jun 2011
  • Man jailed for defensive homicide Herald Sun, 20 May 2011



Homicide Squad Det-Insp John Potter said police wanted to hear from
anyone who may have seen anything suspicious in the area to come
forward."Someone must know something, we would like to speak to
anyone who may have noticed anything suspicious either in and around
Limassol Court or around Currawong Bush Park throughout the morning in
which we believe the assault occurred," Det-Insp Potter said."We
would also like to talk to anyone who may have arranged to purchase
items from Ms Brooks from the Gumtree, Car Sales or Ebay websites.
"Homicide Squad detectives will hand out flyers around Currawong Bush Park this morning.
Anyone with information is urged to contact
Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit: www.crimestoppers.com.au.
_______________________________________________________
I can't help but notice how much of this report
contains
Team Tintin's recent CODED THREATS...
AND GLOATING.
And knowing how much time Local Members of Team Tintin
(like those thugs who bash old ladies in their own home),
spend on Internet Selling Sites as well as PRETENDING to
befriend real people Under False I.D.'s in Forums,
I can't
help but wonder...


Oh and in the post below,
I should have included some of
the Net Names (that SUPPORT these,
who HAVE POSTED PUBLIC CALLS
For MY MURDER, then had me banned
from DIF when,
I QUOTED Their Threats
and REJOICING After The Assaults And
CAR BOMBS,
in asking Administration
to Stop 'Them' Doing So),
who DO at least visit and hang around
THIS REGION, such as;


nosferatu_dj
Senior Member

(who posted the Google Earth
Image and details of MY HOUSE,
not long before my
First HOSPITALIZING BASHING,
by the Local Thugs,
BETRAYING LOCALS FOR Team Tintin)


Billy Ruben

(who phoned me then hung up
as soon as I mentioned that his voice
was sounding familiar, then after more
libelous attacks, Did "RUN AWAY")


true lilly wrote:You do remember that 'tintin' also loved to brag
that 'his' woman of 25 years (who he can't marry
because his family has to introduce her BY her,
LUNS Family name, when off at The Opera and
other such ELITE Swanning Rolling Eyes ), is an ART HISTORIAN.

Oh, yes, THIS LUNS Family:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Luns

That means 'they' are also expert in, the most ancient,
DARK ART of VISUAL PROPAGANDA...funny to, as it
was one of the things 'tintin' also came here to quiz me
about; 'who taught me?'. The dick simply couldn't believe
that I had a bit of an eye to see lies in images
Rolling Eyes

Now keep that in mind when viewing 'their' posts,
and the avatars 'they' CHOOSE TO MOCK gullible
readers who believe 'they' are 'good guys'.


Such as by 'these' 'women':


tintin
Senior Member

(well, 'Ms. LUNS' has his
cock and balls, so he qualifies)


vasudha
Junior Member


No avatar; 'it's' words say more than enough:
[color=red][b]ninny[/b][/color] wrote:


Originally Posted by tintin
All the EVILS of mankind release
we are legion. we are anonymous

nobodyswife
Senior Member

(because the men it wants
are too powerful, and so,
too wise to be suckered by it)


yass
Senior Member

i ♥️ islam
Last edited by yass;
15-06-2011 at 03:41 AM.
(always changing it's avatar
to another, "I Love Genocide",
Coded Image)

cori
Senior Member

(who, like 'tintin' simply
can't throw enough THREATS
of horror and doom at the
eyes and minds of readers.
Such as; stop scrolling if you
to, have had enough of it's sick shit
)


tintin wrote:
Originally Posted by cori


BLAIR as REGAN, like german REGEN for RAIN (IRAN)
*22. January
born the day, Heath Ledger, the Harlekin, died.

So if you really feel you must curl up
with these sick puppies,
don't blame me
when you wake up cannibalized!
Oh and this 'name'
IS EVERYONE'S ENEMY...


Ciggy
TheDude

Re: Sod Like Productions...!!!

by Ciggy » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:17 am

<blockquote>Johnny Tourettes wrote:Huge Surge At Sodlike Productions...!!!




</blockquote>
Half of 'em multiple Billy sessions and half, multiple True Lulzy. Haha, still a top source of lulz though, good job!
__________________________________________________________

Sad really Sad , how very few twig to the IN YOUR FACE,
PRO-ICKEST CULT PROPAGANDA, DEFENSE and
OFFENSIVE PROTECTION, That CON and other Forum
Sites, And, GOOGLE and WIKIPEDIA and WIKILEAKS,
Slave at providing.
Suspect Twisted Evil ...like inviting exposure of
THAT DEMONIC AGENDA, to look for and 'shore up'
(KILL) 'Threats' to 'Their' Plots.
..and it's why one NEEDS
to be Solidly Faithful to The Creator, if one chooses to
answer the call to Witness and Warn.


...and yeah 'Ciggy', as I am only one real person, with
very limited access to only the most basic of technology,
and banned, and locked out from sites - even like 'your'
'WEBANARCHY' - that 'claim' to invite me to join
Rolling Eyes , when
something I post crosses over to another topic, I will,
at times, repeat them in threads they also fit. But 'you'
MOB, just keep running and posting in forums all over
The WEB/NET of DECEPTION under countless FAKE I.D.'s
pretending to befriend real people while flooding them
with the same INSANELY DEMONIC BELIEFS, and CRYING
that this one little woman BOTHERS 'you' MOB SO MUCH.
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Post  MoMo on Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:51 am




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soHq5-nXaKY





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AHMCKG1jYY


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Post  MoMo on Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:57 am



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8tuTSi6Sck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr6EldSFwOI

Chin up woman!! thumbs up Let's see that famous Aussie Stiff upper lip. cheers

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Post  MoMo on Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:59 am



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AWFf7EAc4

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Post  true lilly on Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:15 pm

BUT, BUT, But, IT IS 'you' MOB,
that just keep running and posting in forums all over
The WEB/NET of DECEPTION under countless FAKE I.D.'s
pretending to befriend real people while flooding them
with the same INSANELY DEMONIC BELIEFS, and CRYING,
(and 'Throwing Cats' all over the place like crazy people)
that this one little woman BOTHERS 'you' MOB SO MUCH
(by posting what 'you' simply can not argue away),
so please, stop
pig 'doing a cori' pig by falsely accusing others
of 'your' sins and WEAKNESSES.

true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:...mmm...our router just got 'routed' again,
cutting off the Internet, restoring, cutting off,
restoring...in real time response to trying to
post this in this thread...

I can't help but notice how much of this report
contains
Team Tintin's recent
CODED THREATS...AND GLOATING.

And knowing how much time Local Members of Team Tintin
(like those thugs who bash old ladies in their own home),
spend on Internet Selling Sites as well as PRETENDING to
befriend real people Under False I.D.'s in Forums,
I can't
help but wonder...


true lilly wrote:Web transactions may hold clue
in fatal bashing of Sally Brooks


  • Amelia Harris
  • From:
    Herald Sun
    July 15, 2011
    6:29AM



POLICE want to speak to anyone who
arranged to buy items online

from a woman who was fatally assaulted.

Homicide Squad detectives are appealing for information
as they investigate the Donvale assault
and subsequent death of Sally Brooks

this month.
Investigators believe the 48-year-old
was a seller on ebay.com,
gumtree.com.au and
carsales.com.au
.
Ms Brooks died in hospital on July 11
after being found inside her
Limassol Court home
with life-threatening injuries on July 1.

She is believed to have been assaulted between 9am and 2pm.
Police want to speak to anyone who saw Ms Brooks
walking along Reynolds Rd between 8.45am and 10am
on the day of the assault.
It is also believed a dark-coloured car
may have been in the vicinity of
Limassol Court or the Currawong Bush Park
car parks on the same day.


Related Coverage

  • Woman dies after brutal bashing Herald Sun, 1 day ago
  • Street search for evidence Herald Sun, 2 Jul 2011
  • Missing teen feared dead Herald Sun, 24 Jun 2011
  • Foul play feared in Bung mystery Herald Sun, 23 Jun 2011
  • Man jailed for defensive homicide Herald Sun, 20 May 2011



Homicide Squad Det-Insp John Potter said police wanted to hear from
anyone who may have seen anything suspicious in the area to come
forward."Someone must know something, we would like to speak to
anyone who may have noticed anything suspicious either in and around
Limassol Court or around Currawong Bush Park throughout the morning in
which we believe the assault occurred," Det-Insp Potter said."We
would also like to talk to anyone who may have arranged to purchase
items from Ms Brooks from the Gumtree, Car Sales or Ebay websites.
"Homicide Squad detectives will hand out flyers around Currawong Bush Park this morning.
Anyone with information is urged to contact
Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit: www.crimestoppers.com.au.
_______________________________________________________
I can't help but notice how much of this report
contains
Team Tintin's recent CODED THREATS...
AND GLOATING.
And knowing how much time Local Members of Team Tintin
(like those thugs who bash old ladies in their own home),
spend on Internet Selling Sites as well as PRETENDING to
befriend real people Under False I.D.'s in Forums,
I can't
help but wonder...


Oh and in the post below,
I should have included some of
the Net Names (that SUPPORT these,
who HAVE POSTED PUBLIC CALLS
For MY MURDER, then had me banned
from DIF when,
I QUOTED Their Threats
and REJOICING After The Assaults And
CAR BOMBS,
in asking Administration
to Stop 'Them' Doing So),
who DO at least visit and hang around
THIS REGION, such as;


nosferatu_dj
Senior Member

(who posted the Google Earth
Image and details of MY HOUSE,
not long before my
First HOSPITALIZING BASHING,
by the Local Thugs,
BETRAYING LOCALS FOR Team Tintin)


Billy Ruben

(who phoned me then hung up
as soon as I mentioned that his voice
was sounding familiar, then after more
libelous attacks, Did "RUN AWAY")


true lilly wrote:You do remember that 'tintin' also loved to brag
that 'his' woman of 25 years (who he can't marry
because his family has to introduce her BY her,
LUNS Family name, when off at The Opera and
other such ELITE Swanning Rolling Eyes ), is an ART HISTORIAN.

Oh, yes, THIS LUNS Family:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Luns

That means 'they' are also expert in, the most ancient,
DARK ART of VISUAL PROPAGANDA...funny to, as it
was one of the things 'tintin' also came here to quiz me
about; 'who taught me?'. The dick simply couldn't believe
that I had a bit of an eye to see lies in images
Rolling Eyes

Now keep that in mind when viewing 'their' posts,
and the avatars 'they' CHOOSE TO MOCK gullible
readers who believe 'they' are 'good guys'.


Such as by 'these' 'women':


tintin
Senior Member

(well, 'Ms. LUNS' has his
cock and balls, so he qualifies)


vasudha
Junior Member


No avatar; 'it's' words say more than enough:
[color=red][b]ninny[/b][/color] wrote:


Originally Posted by tintin
All the EVILS of mankind release
we are legion. we are anonymous

nobodyswife
Senior Member

(because the men it wants
are too powerful, and so,
too wise to be suckered by it)


yass
Senior Member

i ♥️ islam
Last edited by yass;
15-06-2011 at 03:41 AM.
(always changing it's avatar
to another, "I Love Genocide",
Coded Image)

cori
Senior Member

(who, like 'tintin' simply
can't throw enough THREATS
of horror and doom at the
eyes and minds of readers.
Such as; stop scrolling if you
to, have had enough of it's sick shit
)


tintin wrote:
Originally Posted by cori


BLAIR as REGAN, like german REGEN for RAIN (IRAN)
*22. January
born the day, Heath Ledger, the Harlekin, died.

So if you really feel you must curl up
with these sick puppies,
don't blame me
when you wake up cannibalized!
Oh and this 'name'
IS EVERYONE'S ENEMY...


Ciggy
TheDude

Re: Sod Like Productions...!!!

by Ciggy » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:17 am

<blockquote>Johnny Tourettes wrote:Huge Surge At Sodlike Productions...!!!




</blockquote>
Half of 'em multiple Billy sessions and half, multiple True Lulzy. Haha, still a top source of lulz though, good job!
__________________________________________________________

Sad really Sad , how very few twig to the IN YOUR FACE,
PRO-ICKEST CULT PROPAGANDA, DEFENSE and
OFFENSIVE PROTECTION, That CON and other Forum
Sites, And, GOOGLE and WIKIPEDIA and WIKILEAKS,
Slave at providing.
Suspect Twisted Evil ...like inviting exposure of
THAT DEMONIC AGENDA, to look for and 'shore up'
(KILL) 'Threats' to 'Their' Plots.
..and it's why one NEEDS
to be Solidly Faithful to The Creator, if one chooses to
answer the call to Witness and Warn.


...and yeah 'Ciggy', as I am only one real person, with
very limited access to only the most basic of technology,
and banned, and locked out from sites - even like 'your'
'WEBANARCHY' - that 'claim' to invite me to join
Rolling Eyes , when
something I post crosses over to another topic, I will,
at times, repeat them in threads they also fit. But 'you'
MOB, just keep running and posting in forums all over
The WEB/NET of DECEPTION under countless FAKE I.D.'s
pretending to befriend real people while flooding them
with the same INSANELY DEMONIC BELIEFS, and CRYING
that this one little woman BOTHERS 'you' MOB SO MUCH.
Oh, and I still can't join 'Ciggy's' Forum,
as 'he' PUBLICLY BEGGED ME TO
Rolling Eyes
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Post  true lilly on Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:21 am

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 3
http://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t988p990-david-icke-site-betrays-australia-2

Searched:
http://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t988p990-david-icke-site-betrays-australia-2

"The topic or post you requested does not exist"...because,
the last PAGES of the second thread, were CHOCK FULL
of 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' 'discussing' the 'lighter, 'kinder' side' of

CHILD & INCESTUOUS SEX!





Sweet success:
Cadel Evans holds his bike aloft
after winning Le Tour Photo: AP

“Cadel’s victory symbolises the globalisation of cycling,”
he said.
“He’s the first Australian winner,
the first winner from the southern hemisphere,
and
he’s someone who started off as a mountain biker.
It shows the diversity of our sport.”

Evans is a popular champion who,
at the age of 34, is the third oldest winner
of the Tour.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/8658466/Tour-de-France-2011-Cadel-Evans-spreads-yellow-fever-Down-Under-thanks-to-his-historic-Tour-triumph.html




O

O

O ...an 'Amber Alert'?
and,


...2 2....3 3... ...



...is that why,
Team Tintin FLOOD OVER Posts of "TODAY'S NEWS"
and wait until The NEWS becomes OLD enough to
twist, ram and jam 'their' SELECTED Letters & Numbers in,
to 'present' 'themselves' as 'the winners' AGAINST GOD and
HIS FAITHFUL...
...and AGAIN, this NEWS IS FULL of
Team Tintin's FAVOURITE CODE KEYS
...but it does NOT SERVE
TINTIN'S SECRET AGENDA to cover This,
GLOBAL HISTORY MAKING NEWS
, as with so many other,
GLOBAL 'Events' like THE BOMBING of CYPRUS, Followed By
TWO DUTCH RADIO TOWERS "catching fire & falling down"
Rolling Eyes

true lilly wrote:

Superstar 'couldn't be happier'



Andrew Webster
CADEL Evans,
Australia's first Tour de France winner,
has told of his
emotional 20-year journey
to the pinnacle of world cycling.



  • Pictures:
    Cadel soaks up the final stage

  • Latest updates:
    Evans in Tour de France glory

  • Marketing dream:
    It's time for the big bucks

  • Celebration: Cadel's wife wants national holiday

  • Evans' glory: Victorians urged to wear yellow today

...and speaking of,
Team Tintin's NEED to post "THE OLD'S" in "TODAY'S NEWS"
(well 'they' can't get banned; The Rule of these sites IS,
to COMMUNICATE WITH FELLOW TRAITOROUS AGENTS
),
look how much trouble 'they' went to, to excuse posting this,
"TRIPLE BLOODY CROSS-HAIRS" Logo, AND the VERY OLD
'news' INTENDED TO GO WITH IT:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060067029#post1060067029


true lilly wrote:Oh, and watch out when 'they' call up,
new and not regular 'names' to feed CODE
through 'their' KEY TERRORIST thread
at Key Terrorist Forums, like "tintin's" on David Icke's...


...and psst, 'they' don't want you to look into,
ringy's Profile... ... tongue Wink


ringy wrote:ringy
25-07-2011, 04:52 AM #29739

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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin

KIRK DOUGLAS was married to DIANA DILL. (DD = 44)
ABB was born on day 44.



Zurich company

Hi tintin,

Did you see the Donald Rumsfeld link on wiki?

ABB and North Korea

Rumsfeld sat on ABB's board from 1990 to 2001. ABB—based in Zürich,
Switzerland—is a European engineering giant formed through the merger
between ASEA of Sweden and Brown Boveri of Switzerland. In 2000 this
company sold two light-water nuclear reactors to KEDO for installation
in North Korea, as part of the 1994 agreed framework reached under
President Bill Clinton.

The sale of the nuclear technology was a high-profile contract. ABB's
then chief executive, Göran Lindahl, visited North Korea in November
1999 to announce ABB's "wide-ranging, long-term cooperation agreement"
with the communist government. Rumsfeld's office said that the Secretary
of Defense did not "recall it being brought before the board at any
time." But ABB spokesman Björn Edlund told Fortune that "board members
were informed about this project."

And this from http://www.abb.com/cawp/seitp202/c12...8002a7cb5.aspx

ABB announces proposed Board, share split

Proposals to be made to March 20 annual general meeting of shareholders
Zurich, Switzerland, February 19, 2001 – ABB today said the Board of
Directors will propose changes in its membership at the annual general
meeting of shareholders on March 20, as well as a share split to improve
the liquidity of ABB’s shares.

The company said that Donald Rumsfeld has resigned his membership on the
Board as a result of his recent appointment as U.S. Secretary of
Defense. In addition, Göran Lindahl and Peter Sutherland have both
decided not to stand for re-election.

...I've left it, as copied; 'READ' CAREFULLY! ...

...well, I had, until 'they' HACKED IT ILLEGIBLE
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...CHINA, South and North KOREA,
and AUSTRALIA,
SHOULD WATCH for ALL
'tintin's' contacts
(and their 'trails'),

particularly over the next
4 to 40 days.


I may have to dig up some photos of
"tintin" aka 'Cruise' aka 'Aarnout van der Plooge',
and see if I can get them 'postable',
as they do look like 'family' in structure
as well as 'spirit'
...'dig up', because those
he sent me via email,
have also BEEN REMOVED...but hey,
so long as those 'tintin' aims to destroy
and have 'replaced' with 'his own',
have also searched through my many
communications with 'tintin' aka 'Cruise',

and his many,
"Buy, The Religion that 'tintin' 'Is Christ', Salesmen",
they will know who to 'sort', how and when.




The Sons of Lee Marvin
The society meets occasionally,
supposedly to watch Lee Marvin films
together.
The society is rumoured to have
a chapter in the South
Pacific
.


Marvin in Attack!

Marvin left school to join the United States Marine Corps,
serving as a Scout Sniper in the 4th Marine Division. He was wounded in action during the WWII Battle of Saipan,
during which most of his platoon were killed.
He was awarded the Purple Heart

The Sons of Lee Marvin
The society meets occasionally, supposedly to watch Lee Marvin films
together.
The society is rumoured to have a chapter in the South
Pacific.


When asked about the society by friend and collaborator
Luc Sante
in a 1989 interview, Jarmusch commented
"I'm not at liberty to divulge
information about the organization,
other than to tell you that it does
exist.

I can identify three other members of the organization:
Tom
Waits, John Lurie, and Richard Boes ...
You have to have a facial
structure such that you could be related to,
or be a son of, Lee Marvin.

There are no women, obviously, in the organization.
We have communiques
and secret meetings.
Other than that, I can't talk about it.
"

_____________________________________________________
Cruise aka tintin aka Aarnout van der Plooge wrote:
I think she realises now that I do it for the family and
not for some other reasons.

...and below,
written AT THE TIME
BREIVIK started to PLOT

The OSLO MASSACRE...

The Family cult's secrets exposedThe Herald-Sun, Australia/August 16, 2009
By James Campbell

The leader of
Australia's most notorious cult,
The Family,
remains unrepentant two decades
after the raid that shocked the nation.


Anne Hamilton-Byrne broke her silence yesterday, saying she was ready
to die after reconciling with Sarah Moore, the "daughter" who betrayed
her to the authorities.
('betrayed' just enough to 'flush' out,
those who would have exposed the
'Elite' MONSTERS behind That Cult
)


The Family
made headlines around the world in 1987
when the Australian
Federal Police and

Community Services Victoria
raided the cult's
property at Lake Eildon

and took six children into care.

Police later found 14 children had been brought up in almost complete
isolation believing they were the offspring of Hamilton-Byrne and her
late husband Bill.

In fact none of them was the Hamilton-Byrnes', but children of single
mothers who had been pressured into giving them up for adoption or
cult members who did not want them.

But it was the way the children had been treated that really shocked the nation.

Hamilton-Byrne had ordered the children's hair be dyed peroxide blonde
and they be dressed in identical outfits.

It was also alleged they had been half-starved, beaten and forced to
take large quantities of tranquilisers to "calm them down" and even
fed LSD when they became adults.

Now, in the first ever interview at her sprawling Olinda compound, the
cult leader has defended how she raised the children and attacked
those who said she mistreated them as "lying bastards".

Of her critics, she said: "I would love to put them right, but I can't."

She also said she could have sued for defamation, but had decided
against any action.

Asked about whether she mistreated her "children", she said: "They
were normal children and they could be disobedient to a point, but not
all the time."

But she would not discuss any specific claims.

On the issue of alleged LSD use in the cult, she said: "Everything on
earth has its uses."

And asked about whether she had any regrets, she would only say: "I've
got regrets about losing touch with daughter."

"I'm ready to die now. I don't mind when I go," she said after an
emotional reunion with her favourite "daughter"
Dr Moore, witnessed by
the Sunday Herald Sun.


Inside the compound - one of at least half a dozen properties owned by
Hamilton-Byrne - elderly helpers scurried around, avoiding eye
contact.

The "wrinkly disciples" wore coloured wigs, with heavy make-up, and
are said to be among up to 50 cult followers who still defer to
Hamilton-Byrne
- some living on the property and others in surrounding
hills.


From the moment she invited this newspaper into her home, the frail
woman was at pains to show off as many happy group photos as she
could, to prove her family was as normal as any other.

"We have our differences like any other family," she stressed, smiling.

The sole male on the sprawling, but crumbling estate
was self-professed senior cult member
Michael Stevenson.

Dr Moore, also known as Sarah Hamilton-Byrne, had been expelled from
The Family two years before the 1987 raid
for disobedience, with the
curse that she go and die in the gutter,
she claimed.

She later qualified as a doctor and volunteered extensively in India
and other parts of Asia.

But four years ago her life began to unravel - she developed bipolar
disorder. Suffering from chronic pain, she began self-prescribing
pethidine, but was caught in 2005.


In December her life took another turn for the worse - she lost her
leg, the result, she says, of hospital mistreatment following a
suicide attempt.


Having survived, Dr Moore said she has regained her will to live.

Yesterday as she reunited with Hamilton-Byrne, Dr Moore became
emotional as remembered their rift.

"I just feel incredibly sad about it," Dr Moore said.

"When I was holding Anne then, I could feel her shaking and crying. I
thought 'Why did it have to come to this?' "

Dr Moore said she could not escape the fact that she looked on the
87-year-old as her mother.

"I do love Anne and my feelings are still mixed about her," Dr Moore said.

"For many years I went nowhere near her or the cult.

"I was a prominent part of the public face of those that wanted to
expose what happened to us children and to see justice done.


"But, despite perhaps appearances to the contrary, at that time I felt
enormous loyalty to Anne.
To my mind, I had put my life on the line to
oppose her, as I believed at the time that to oppose her, to betray
her, was to die."


Dr Moore said she still believed Hamilton-Byrne was responsible for
mistreatment of children, but she said the cult leader blamed the
"Aunties" for any abuse.

"That's as far she will go in acknowledging any wrongdoing," Dr Moore said.

"Otherwise she is unrepentant. She is a powerful and charismatic
person
, and I believe she initially meant well with both creating the
cult and collecting us children.

"Both acts were in compensation and delusional repair for her own childhood."

To see more documents/articles regarding this group/organization/subject
click here

____________________________________________________________________

Now as to looking for
BREIVIK's fellow "cell" members...


...some TELLING word's from 'tintin'
(aka 'Cruise' & Aarnout van der Plooge)
,
27 months before that...

when he announced he was
COMING TO STAY in AUSTRALIA,
WITH ME, one who survived
such Cultists
and, POSTED MUCH on, How 'They' Work,
AND HOW OTHERS CAN FREE THEMSELVES
...

...For which, A.T.S. BANNED me.
Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes

Just Before, "edelweiss pirate"
'invited me' to join The Old,
Official David Icke Forum
,

and 'Cruise' aka 'tintin'
started to try 'grooming' me,
to 'see things his Twisted Evil way' Rolling Eyes


Cruise
To true-lilly@hotmail.com
But I will tell you a little story.
A story that I know of only since last saturday.

Saturday is the day I was born.
I was born on the
27th september 1958.

I was born on the 270th day of the year.
thats three times nine.

9 is the number of completion.

999 is the perfect number.
Its the opposite of 666.

666 is the number of the ANTI CHRIST.
and 999 is the number of Christ.

Lilly, I am afraid to tell you,
Christ is just a normal bloke.
Christ is drunk once in a while.
Christ has sinned many times.

They portray Christ as being without SINNS.
Cant be further from the truth.


I am Christ.


All the fuzz about christ, all those movies, all those churches,
all complete nonsense.

The guy they call CHRIST?
Thats good old CRUISE.


___________________________________


20/05/2007
Just bought a ticket to melbourne.

Waiting for the confirmation call.
__________________________________________

Go to Australia and never come back!
Thats fear. She wants me all for her own.
Can understand that.


I am the best thing that ever happened to her.
I, more or less, "sacrificed" my own well being for hers.
I am not exaggerating, she really loves me.

But she is not a Christian. Not at all.
Almost the opposite. Material things, hierarchy, jewels,
thats what's interest her. Thats the Luns bloodline.( that
NATO boss)..

___________________________________________

Maybe, one day, she will understand.
She also has to make that choice.
Just as my brother, the doctor. They want nothing to do
with the bible and christ.


My task is greater than my little individual problems.

Everyday it dawns more and more to me.
Time is running out. We really have no choice as to go on.

I am sorry Lilly to bother you with
such "futile" matters...
Really dont know at the moment...

anyway, my flight to Melbourne will arrive the 25th at 20:05 hours.
BA flight 7318 from
heathrow london.

___________________________________________________________
...CHINA, South and North KOREA,
and AUSTRALIA,
SHOULD WATCH for ALL
'tintin's' contacts
(and their 'trails'),

particularly over the next
4 to 40 days.


hey, take it up with "tintin" and his team,
who luvvv to cheer him on when he
boasts
of, "BEING AN EXPERT IN PLANE CRASHES"....
...yet, HIMSELF NEVER FEARING
FLYING AROUND THE WORLD
AT THE DROP OF A HAT.
..mmm...

http://sodlikeproductions.forumotion.com/t1133p45-tintin-an-insight

But I suppose I should remind folk that
all that 'cloak & dagger' stuff is not
for me. I simply don't possess the guile
to pretend I'm someone I'm not; a survivor
of what so many are made to believe they
can't escape, who cared to show that,
WE CAN AND DO! When we TRUST and Faithfully,
SEEK TO SERVE GOD.


JEREMIAH 31:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=31&v=1&t=KJV#top

and,
30:
23
Look! A windstorm of Jehovah, rage itself, has gone forth,

an onward-sweeping tempest.
Upon the head of the wicked ones it will whirl.

24
The burning anger of Jehovah will not turn back

until he will have executed and until he will have carried out
the ideas of his heart. In the final part of the days
YOU people will give YOUR consideration to it.
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Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.

So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...


...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying
his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...


tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.
(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)


And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.


Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.



Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.


Diemen or DEMON.

DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.


It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.

Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.



The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

Martin bryant was the patsy.

MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?



Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.


Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)

HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.


He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.

the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.

So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.

And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.

Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.

MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.

Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!

"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.


the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.

but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."

So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.


So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),

From The Beginning.


And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE"
in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.


Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS,
to TODAY'S NEWS.

Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube

  • Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward

  • From:
    News Limited newspapers

  • July 28, 2011
    12:00AM

  • 17 comments

Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun


Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied

HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.

Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".

The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.

It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies"
surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .

"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.

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"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.

"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."


See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:


Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit

October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM



Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander
and Princess Maxima.


Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.


"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.

"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.


"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name
and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."

The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.

The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed
on the coast of Western
Australia.

They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.

© 2006
AAP

oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed"EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.

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true lilly wrote:Remember, in order to 'read' Team Tintin's Planned Plots,
you also need to 'read' THE BIG NEWS that Team Tintin
IGNORES and/or otherwise TWISTS
to 'make' his 'connections'...


Such as tintin TRYING TO MAKE IT 'READ'
that "THORN from NORWAY" "won"
THE TOUR de FRANCE,
and IGNORING that AUSTRALIAN CADEL EVENS
MADE HISTORY BY WINNING IT.


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Oh yeah, and while tintin has been 'predicting',
a GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRASH for OVER 6 Years,
and Ciggy & Co. have been TELLING THE WORLD
to AVOID ALL THINGS AUSTRALIAN, what I find
FORETOLD IN GOD'S WORD, KEEPS HAPPENING...


Soaring dollar hits record high


Stephen McMahon
THE Australian dollar
has burst through the US110c threshold
amid mounting fears
the next move for interest rates
will be up.


Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.

So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...


...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying
his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...


tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.
(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)


And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.


Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.



Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.


Diemen or DEMON.

DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.


It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.

Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.



The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

Martin bryant was the patsy.

MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?



Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.


Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)

HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.


He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.

the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.

So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.

And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.

Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.

MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.

Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!

"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.


the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.

but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."

So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.


So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),

From The Beginning.


And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE"
in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.


Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS,
to TODAY'S NEWS.

Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube

  • Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward

  • From:
    News Limited newspapers

  • July 28, 2011
    12:00AM

  • 17 comments

Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun


Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied

HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.

Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".

The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.

It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies"
surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .

"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.

Related Coverage

  • Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube Perth Now, 2 hours ago
  • Lady Gaga in YouTube copyright spat Herald Sun, 14 Jul 2011
  • Woman charged over State of Origin pee Herald Sun, 13 Jul 2011
  • Officer who sprayed boy to be charged Herald Sun, 22 Jun 2011
  • Horrific footage of Iranian jet crash Adelaide Now, 6 Jun 2011
"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.

"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."


See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:


Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit

October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM



Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander
and Princess Maxima.


Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.


"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.

"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.


"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name
and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."

The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.

The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed
on the coast of Western
Australia.

They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.

© 2006
AAP

oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed "EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.
tintin wrote: 17-10-2007, 06:51 PM #30

Quote:
Originally Posted by vera susa

You know TASMANIA was just one location in OZ where there were plans
to set up The Jewish Homeland...and then there's also the BOXING
KANGAROO and TASMANIAN DEVIL in Buggy Bunny, oh and that LITTLE PENGUIN
that was always lost, another OZZIE Native. Yep TAZZIE, a fascinating
place, and just so we don't forget it, the ABC is reminding us, again,
tomorrow night, with.....

Tasmanian Devil:
The Fast And Furious Life Of Errol Flynn

8:30pm Thursday, 18 Oct 2007 Documentary

Featuring never before seen archival footage, photographs and interviews with famous contemporary Christopher Lee (Lord of the Rings),
legendary Hollywood writer/director Vincent Sherman,
and two of Errol Flynn's daughters -
all of whom speak candidly about his revolutionary sympathies
and journalistic ambitions as well as his decadent lifestyle -
this is Errol Flynn as we've never seen him before.

Born in Tasmania, Errol Flynn was the romantic star of dozens of
Hollywood action movies.
But from his troubled childhood in Hobart, to his escape from Australia
after stealing the diamonds of his society lover
, then his death at the age of fifty in the arms of his teenage mistress, his real life was far more adventurous than any of his films.

Notorious for his love affairs, scandals and rebellious nature,
Flynn was also an aspiring journalist and served as war correspondent
at several armed conflicts worldwide.
He even scooped the first interview with Fidel Castro after the Cuban revolution.

His journalism and his fleeting Academy Award nomination for his
performance in The Sun Also Rises were his greatest personal achievements.

When Flynn died of massive heart failure after many years of
alcohol and drug abuse he was completely broke.
The high life and maintenance payments to his three ex-wives
had squandered his Hollywood fortune, and he had been forced to sell
even his beloved yacht and Mulholland Farm.

Always determined to get the most out of life no matter the cost,
Flynn stated in one of his last interviews,
"I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I wouldn't change any of it,
not for a minute."

Tasmanian Devil follows Flynn's life every step of the way
as he traversed great highs and terrible lows, interviewing his friends,
studio colleagues and children for the first comprehensive picture of
this notorious star.



Errol flynn died 14 October.
That's one day after TEMPLARS day.

SIMON TEMPLAR aka ROGER MOORE was
born that date.

Now checked Errol Flynn on Wiki and saw that
Errol Flynn played a part in the AVIATOR.
The movie about Howard Hughes.



Now look how many links there are to MADELEINE Mccann.
The movie the AVIATIOR.

LEONARDO DIcaprio.

He was named LEONARDO because he started kicking,
when his mother was pregnant, in front of
a LEONARDO DA VINCI painting.

All rubbish of course but it sounds great.
LEONARDO and LEONARDO DA VINCI.

In the MADELEINE McCann thread you can read about the
enormous importance of LEONARDO DA VINCI.
The BLOODLINE of JESUS and MARIA MAGDALENA.

Madeleine McCann was 1452 days old when she dissapeared.
Da Vinci was born 1452.

But back to the AVIATOR.



CATE blanchett played Katherine Hepburn.
the mother of Madeleine is KATE.
So a CATE and a KATE.



And another KAT. Katherine hepburn

KAT HEPBURN, born the
same date as
MADELEINE McCann.


Cate blanchett born 14 may. Two days after Maddie.
CATE, KAT, And KATE.
The three CATS of Anne Frank. MMM
(See the Maddie thread)

HOWARD HUGHES, the AVIATOR.
Was married to Jean PETERS

Jean Peters died
13 October Templars day.


Errol flynn was played by Jude Law in the movie.
But we have seen the ERROL FLYNN/TEMPLAR connection.

SIMON TEMPLAR, ROGER MOORE.

ROGER MOORE is IVANHOE.

loads of links from TEMPLAR James Bond, to Maddie Mccann

And you have seen the link from CATE Blanchett to Madeleine.
So where does CATE come from?

CATE Blanchett from
IVANHOE, Australia.


The wIVENHOE DAM=QUEENSLAND FLOODS...

Beautiful one day, broke the next


Paul Syvret

QUEENSLAND'S rapidly growing
debt bill since the floods
has created a chink in Australia's armour
of stellar credit ratings.
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cori wrote:
28-07-2011, 02:04 AM #29826




crosshairs
...and this was AFTER my OSLO/PORT ARTHUR WARNING post,
AFTER my AUSTRALIA in 'their' "crosshairs" WARNING post,
WHILE I was being blocked from David Icke's Official Forum.
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Post  true lilly on Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:31 pm

"TINTIN" THE BOASTFULLY SELF CONFESSING
"EXPERT IN PLANE CRASHES"...


dixie d wrote: 26-07-2011, 11:26 PM #29807

I noticed two articles in the News today...

Morocco military plane crash kills 78

And...

Lockerbie bomber seen on TV rally

I notice the top article mentions Guelmin, and on that page you see the following...

Quote:
It is part of the Maghreb region, in addition to Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania, and Libya, with which it shares cultural, historical and linguistic ties.
I wonder if there is a link to Mauritania

The name Guelmim reminds me of Gremlin

Quote:
A gremlin is an imaginary creature commonly depicted as mischievous and mechanically oriented, with a specific interest in aircraft.
Gremlins' mischevious natures are simliar to those of English folkloric
imps, while their inclination to damage or dismantle machinery is more
modern.


I'm not sure if there is a link, I'll take a look.
Last edited by dixie d; 26-07-2011 at 11:56 PM.

28 July 2011
Last updated at 01:13 GMT


132
Two die as Boeing 747 cargo jet
crashes off South Korea



Debris was found at sea after the Asiana Airlines plane went down

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  • S Korea hit by fatal landslides
  • Country profile: South Korea
Both
pilots aboard a China-bound Boeing 747 cargo jet were killed when it
crashed off South Korea after experiencing mechanical problems.

The plane, which was flying for South Korea's Asiana
Airlines, came down off Jeju island in the very south of the country,
local media report.

It had left Incheon en route to Pudong in China.

A South Korean coast guard boat found debris from the jet
in waters about 107km (66 miles) west of Jeju city.

After taking off at 0305 (1800 GMT) the plane disappeared
from radar at 0409 while trying to reach Jeju airport, the South Korean
news agency Yonhap reports. The wreckage was spotted at 0640.

Both the pilot and co-pilot were killed.

Heavy rain has lashed South Korea this week, with landslides
and floods killing dozens and causing havoc, but Asiana Airlines said it
was unclear whether the weather had caused any problems for the plane.

The 747, nicknamed the Jumbo Jet, has been in service around the world
for more than four decades, and is still in production.




A Disney-style Gremlin, as the mascot of Minnesota Wing Civil Air Patrol

A gremlin is an imaginary creature
commonly depicted as mischievous
and mechanically oriented,
with a
specific interest in aircraft.


The term "gremlin"
denoting a mischievous creature
that sabotages aircraft,
originates in Royal Air Force (RAF)
slang in the 1920s among the British pilots
stationed in Malta, the Middle East and India,
with the earliest recorded printed use being
in a poem published in the journal Aeroplane,
in Malta on April 10, 1929
...
...with later recollections of it having been told
by Battle of Britain Spitfire pilots
as early as 1940.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlin

714 747
GREMLIN JUMBO
EMERALD OZ
MITSRAYIM AMERICAS
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Post  true lilly on Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:52 am

BLOODY PREDICTABLE...
Rolling Eyes
Billy Ruben wrote:This arrogant looking bastard,has a sub-forum of
his own.The novelty wore off after a month...this bearded fellow here...



well,I
know you don't like to extend yourself and moderate to often...and I
know,you're probably rolling your eyes about now,thinking,leave my
farkin' forum the way it is...

BUT

would it not,make
sense,to take the half dozen or so threads there,pop them here in
General....and rename the sub-forum...I don't know...
True Lilly's Crypt...and drop every farkin' thread she's ever done,there.


It would free up General Sub-forum,cause,there is actually good threads to read here,but they're very hard to find.

And
with Lilly in one spot,
all nice and neat and she can transmit all the
coded death threats and accuse all and sundry of raping babies...there.

It's
just a thought,maybe worth considering and it will please Lilly,to have
a spot of her very own...
Old and New patrons here,can enjoy a
streamlined forum,instead of all this clutter,like the back of
"Steptoes' and Sons"...

Anyway,still can't sleep,26 hours
without,I'm going to buy some mediocre weed,couple of cones...and I has a
sleepy...it's such hard work,being a c*nt and foiling the Lords work...



and,please,do try not to answer with this...



any consideration,would be appreciated...Billy.

Well DUMBO, I DID try to keep my posts
to ONE Thread
, but 'you & Ciggy' TRASHED IT
with 'your & Ciggy's' ENDLESS "Conversations" about
YOU LUSTING AFTER YOUR NIECE, A CHILD!


Re: Thin Out Their Numbers (Re-Interpretting TNBTN)

Billy Ruben wrote: Today at 6:00 am
Lilly...

not in the mood today...

flippin' heck OFF OUT OF MY THREAD,UNLESS,YOU'RE TRYING TO BE FUNNY...

...oh no, I am DEADLY SERIOUS...you titled this thread,
I AM ON TOPIC, unlike 'you' MOB who have SPAMMED MY THREADS
with ENDLESS, OFF TOPIC, FILTH.


...and if these details upset you so much...
true lilly wrote:The LYING Conspiracy INDUSTRY'S SECRET
vera susa/true lilly
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=86338
Well, here it is folks,
The GOOD NEWS Behind, "The NEWS Behind The NEWS".

And first up: PLEASE, add, counter, challenge away,
but NOT with Worldly/CATHOLIC FUNDED/COMMISSIONED
Lies, Myths and Fantasy, presented as if 'fact'...unless you want
a verbal slashing !

The WHOLE Conspiracy INDUSTRY is FULL of that INSANITY.
Please LET THIS THREAD BE WHAT IT IS or ADMIT YOU WORK
to "PROTECT" TPTB from The ONLY Truth "They" FEAR.


The intent of this thread is:
To SHOW how OLD and TIGHT
the HOODWINKS placed on us by
those DEATH WORSHIPING LIE LOVERS
actually are, AND HOW to REMOVE them,
FOR FREE!

Yep, no middle man or 'guru' to PAY to follow
(to your Eternal DEATH), no man or woman
to grovel and suck down to, just tools and skills
for recognizing and countering THE KILLER LIE.

So I'll begin with my introduction posts
to 'that thread' that TWISTED FREEING TRUTH
into MOCKING DEATH THREATS...
so folk can also SEE the DIFFERENT SPIRITS SOURCE
behind different posters...
to HEAR the voice of HARD LOVE and DOING JUSTICE,
and recognize
the SMOOTH WORDS of THE FATHER of The LIE.

"TINTIN" THE BOASTFULLY SELF CONFESSING
"EXPERT IN PLANE CRASHES"...


dixie d wrote: 26-07-2011, 11:26 PM #29807

I noticed two articles in the News today...

Morocco military plane crash kills 78

And...

Lockerbie bomber seen on TV rally

I notice the top article mentions Guelmin, and on that page you see the following...

Quote:
It is part of the Maghreb region, in addition to Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania, and Libya, with which it shares cultural, historical and linguistic ties.

I wonder if there is a link to Mauritania

The name Guelmim reminds me of Gremlin

Quote:
A gremlin is an imaginary creature commonly depicted as mischievous and mechanically oriented, with a specific interest in aircraft.
Gremlins' mischevious natures are simliar to those of English folkloric
imps, while their inclination to damage or dismantle machinery is more
modern.



I'm not sure if there is a link, I'll take a look.
Last edited by dixie d; 26-07-2011 at 11:56 PM.

28 July 2011
Last updated at 01:13 GMT


132
Two die as Boeing 747 cargo jet
crashes off South Korea



Debris was found at sea after the Asiana Airlines plane went down

Related Stories

  • S Korea hit by fatal landslides
  • Country profile: South Korea


Both
pilots aboard a China-bound Boeing 747 cargo jet were killed when it
crashed off South Korea after experiencing mechanical problems.

The plane, which was flying for South Korea's Asiana
Airlines, came down off Jeju island in the very south of the country,
local media report.

It had left Incheon en route to Pudong in China.

A South Korean coast guard boat found debris from the jet
in waters about 107km (66 miles) west of Jeju city.

After taking off at 0305 (1800 GMT) the plane disappeared
from radar at 0409 while trying to reach Jeju airport, the South Korean
news agency Yonhap reports. The wreckage was spotted at 0640.

Both the pilot and co-pilot were killed.

Heavy rain has lashed South Korea this week, with landslides
and floods killing dozens and causing havoc, but Asiana Airlines said it
was unclear whether the weather had caused any problems for the plane.

The 747, nicknamed the Jumbo Jet, has been in service around the world
for more than four decades, and is still in production.




A Disney-style Gremlin, as the mascot of Minnesota Wing Civil Air Patrol

A gremlin is an imaginary creature
commonly depicted as mischievous
and mechanically oriented,
with a
specific interest in aircraft.


The term "gremlin"
denoting a mischievous creature
that sabotages aircraft,
originates in Royal Air Force (RAF)
slang in the 1920s among the British pilots
stationed in Malta, the Middle East and India,
with the earliest recorded printed use being
in a poem published in the journal Aeroplane,
in Malta on April 10, 1929
...
...with later recollections of it having been told
by Battle of Britain Spitfire pilots
as early as 1940.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlin

714 747
GREMLIN JUMBO
EMERALD OZ
MITSRAYIM AMERICAS
...you would shit yourself to death, over all that
I have not posted over the years...


...or maybe 'you' are still cacking your dacks over,
all I have posted that 'you & friends'
SPAMMED OVER, And REMOVED from my threads...
in a futile effort to hide 'your' COMPLICITY...??



Take Heed...

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA 3

TERRORIST and other CODED posts on DAVID ICKE FORUM

ASSANGE-ICKE-AARNOUT-et al...

"tintin": an insight.

mmm..."UNPREDICTABLE"...???

When ELEPHANTS ATTACK!!!

Emails HIJACKED, to SPY ON & PREVENT PERSONAL & PRIVATE Communication

Why true lilly's thread of near 9000 VIEWS was LOCKED

22,000+++ Views for true lilly...

BEAUTIFUL...

and one that 'became mine';
HEY CORI YOU BIATCH

...and even without the numbers of my other, long ago buried threads,
any fool can see who the poster is, to have finally brought regular,
reader numbers here...like everywhere else I've posted and been banned
from (often before I ever tried to join, to correct the lies told about the
content and context of my posts by the likes of 'Ciggy & Billy Ruben'), due
to the fact that 'they' HAVE NEVER MANAGED to 'argue away' what I do
present for anyone to consider and follow up with THEIR OWN STUDY...
as on this thread:

The LYING Conspiracy INDUSTRY'S SECRET
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=86338
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And still, NOTHING AT D.I.F about these
GLOBALLY MAJOR NEWS Reports
, 'despite'?,
NO, BECAUSE of HOW MUCH "TINTIN"
USED TO OBSESS OVER THE TOPICS,
that DO TIE
The PORT ARTHUR And OSLO SLAUGHTERS,

TO "TINTIN'S" ON LINE CONspiracy Industry,
And AUSTRALIA'S TRAITORS.

true lilly wrote:
cori wrote:
28-07-2011, 02:04 AM #29826




crosshairs
...and this was AFTER my OSLO/PORT ARTHUR WARNING post,
AFTER my AUSTRALIA in 'their' "crosshairs" WARNING post,
WHILE I was being blocked from David Icke's Official Forum.
Could Google have caught the Norway killer?


Asher Moses

July 28, 2011


Click to play video

'More openness' will prevent attacks


Norway's prime minister Jens Stoltenberg says that Norwegians
will defend themselves by showing they are not afraid of violence.

With all the data Google collects about us and our search
histories, could the company use its technical prowess to help catch
terrorists and mass murderers before they commit crimes?

Norwegian daily Dagbladet reported that
terrorist Anders Breivik spent 200 days searching Google for terms such
as "how to make a bomb" before he went on his rampage.

Already Google uses data from searches to improve its targeted advertising and search rankings - and even to track the spread of the flu - leading academic ideas site The Conversation to ask the question "Why didn't Google catch the Norway killer?"


Google searching is as helpful for terrorists as it is for the rest of us. Photo: Peter Riches

Speaking to the website, Charles Sturt University
computer science lecturer Craig Wright said he expected people in
European countries to call for search engines to monitor user behaviour
as a result of the attacks.


He said it "would be possible, but extremely difficult"
for Google to monitor searches and raise red flags for users who
frequently and repeatedly perform suspicious searches.

Wright's comments were prescient as in recent days politicians and police across Europe have called for expanded internet monitoring powers as a possible preventative measure.


The killer ... Anders Breivik, pictured on the internet.

"There may be moves towards greater monitoring, but less privacy for users," he said.


Already, Wright said, the Australian Federal Police and
the FBI could obtain court orders asking Google to monitor and flag
certain search terms.

Google can monitor or trace specific individuals via its Google accounts, IP addresses or even browser cookies.

Nigel Phair, a former Australian Federal Police officer
who is now a private security consultant, said real-time monitoring of
search queries would be a welcomed "additional intelligence tool for
national security agencies". Google could theoretically be a "good
citizen" and report users it has identified as potentially high risk.

However "you have to get over the privacy hurdles" first, which will be a significant barrier.

Futurist, inventor and judge on ABC's The New Inventors, Mark Pesce, said: "I suspect Chinese search engine Baidu does something like this for the Chinese government."

Professor Sanjay Chawla, head of the school of
information technology at the University of Sydney, is researching how
to make machines and algorithms learn and behave like humans do. For
instance, he is helping the insurance industry design technology to
distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent claims.

Professor Chawla said using Google to spot terrorists was
a tough technical challenge as "it's very hard to train computers or
design algorithms which can distinguish between a terrorist and a
non-terrorist".

"It could work but there will be lots of false positives and that can actually hurt Google more," he said.


"The number of terrorists is actually very small to create a
meaningful profile of what the average terrorist looks like."

In the case of targeted advertising, if Google's
algorithm got it wrong the worst outcome would be slightly reduced
profits. But when picking out terrorists there is a far lower tolerance
for errors.


And the idea of Google regularly monitoring search terms
without a court order would raise significant privacy issues.

"Yes, some kinds of automated monitoring would
occasionally produce a lead. But the leads would be swamped by the
massive false positives," said Roger Clarke, chairman of the Australian
Privacy Foundation.

"And the collateral damage to freedoms would be massive."

Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of Search Engine Land,
raised the point that searching for something - for example bomb making
instructions - wasn't the same as actually committing the criminal act.

And he also said that searching for mass murderers could be the thin edge of the wedge.

"Would it only look at things it believes are related to
mass murder? If you were searching for recreational drugs or pirated
content, should that be picked up and reported?" said Sullivan.

Of course, any real-time monitoring would be useless
without law enforcement using it to act. It has been reported that
Breivik was flagged for illegally purchasing a large amount of chemicals
online but Norway's intelligence service decided he was likely to be
using them in his farming business.

Mr Clarke said people with serious intent would find
plenty of ways to get around the monitoring, while the suggestion that
widespread real-time monitoring could enable real-time interventions by
law enforcement agencies was "fantasy land".

But Mr Clarke said he would support tightly targeted
monitoring of people based on reasonable grounds for suspicion and
judicial warrants.

Google Australia declined to comment.

This reporter is on Twitter: @ashermoses
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/could-google-have-caught-the-norway-killer-20110728-1i17r.html#ixzz1TMznHHqh

sorry, now that I got it to post, I won't waste time editing it back to legible...
only one of me on an out-dated, powerless p.c., against The World Wide WEB
of TERRORISTS...
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:Remember, in order to 'read' Team Tintin's Planned Plots,
you also need to 'read' THE BIG NEWS that Team Tintin
IGNORES and/or otherwise TWISTS
to 'make' his 'connections'...


Such as tintin TRYING TO MAKE IT 'READ'
that "THORN from NORWAY" "won"
THE TOUR de FRANCE,
and IGNORING that AUSTRALIAN CADEL EVENS
MADE HISTORY BY WINNING IT.


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Oh yeah, and while tintin has been 'predicting',
a GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRASH for OVER 6 Years,
and Ciggy & Co. have been TELLING THE WORLD
to AVOID ALL THINGS AUSTRALIAN, what I find
FORETOLD IN GOD'S WORD, KEEPS HAPPENING...


Soaring dollar hits record high


Stephen McMahon
THE Australian dollar
has burst through the US110c threshold
amid mounting fears
the next move for interest rates
will be up.


Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.

So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...


...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying
his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...


tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.
(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)


And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.


Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.



Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.


Diemen or DEMON.

DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.


It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.

Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.



The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

Martin bryant was the patsy.

MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?



Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.


Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)

HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.


He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.

the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.

So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.

And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.

Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.

MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.

Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!

"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.


the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.

but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."

So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.


So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),

From The Beginning.


And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE"
in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.


Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS,
to TODAY'S NEWS.

Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube

  • Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward

  • From:
    News Limited newspapers

  • July 28, 2011
    12:00AM

  • 17 comments

Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun


Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied

HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.

Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".

The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.

It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies"
surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .

"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.

Related Coverage

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"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.

"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."


See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:


Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit

October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM



Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander
and Princess Maxima.


Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.


"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.

"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.


"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name
and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."

The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.

The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed
on the coast of Western
Australia.

They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.

© 2006
AAP

oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed "EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.
tintin wrote: 17-10-2007, 06:51 PM #30

Quote:
Originally Posted by vera susa

You know TASMANIA was just one location in OZ where there were plans
to set up The Jewish Homeland...and then there's also the BOXING
KANGAROO and TASMANIAN DEVIL in Buggy Bunny, oh and that LITTLE PENGUIN
that was always lost, another OZZIE Native. Yep TAZZIE, a fascinating
place, and just so we don't forget it, the ABC is reminding us, again,
tomorrow night, with.....

Tasmanian Devil:
The Fast And Furious Life Of Errol Flynn

8:30pm Thursday, 18 Oct 2007 Documentary

Featuring never before seen archival footage, photographs and interviews with famous contemporary Christopher Lee (Lord of the Rings),
legendary Hollywood writer/director Vincent Sherman,
and two of Errol Flynn's daughters -
all of whom speak candidly about his revolutionary sympathies
and journalistic ambitions as well as his decadent lifestyle -
this is Errol Flynn as we've never seen him before.

Born in Tasmania, Errol Flynn was the romantic star of dozens of
Hollywood action movies.
But from his troubled childhood in Hobart, to his escape from Australia
after stealing the diamonds of his society lover
, then his death at the age of fifty in the arms of his teenage mistress, his real life was far more adventurous than any of his films.

Notorious for his love affairs, scandals and rebellious nature,
Flynn was also an aspiring journalist and served as war correspondent
at several armed conflicts worldwide.
He even scooped the first interview with Fidel Castro after the Cuban revolution.

His journalism and his fleeting Academy Award nomination for his
performance in The Sun Also Rises were his greatest personal achievements.

When Flynn died of massive heart failure after many years of
alcohol and drug abuse he was completely broke.
The high life and maintenance payments to his three ex-wives
had squandered his Hollywood fortune, and he had been forced to sell
even his beloved yacht and Mulholland Farm.

Always determined to get the most out of life no matter the cost,
Flynn stated in one of his last interviews,
"I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I wouldn't change any of it,
not for a minute."

Tasmanian Devil follows Flynn's life every step of the way
as he traversed great highs and terrible lows, interviewing his friends,
studio colleagues and children for the first comprehensive picture of
this notorious star.



Errol flynn died 14 October.
That's one day after TEMPLARS day.

SIMON TEMPLAR aka ROGER MOORE was
born that date.

Now checked Errol Flynn on Wiki and saw that
Errol Flynn played a part in the AVIATOR.
The movie about Howard Hughes.



Now look how many links there are to MADELEINE Mccann.
The movie the AVIATIOR.

LEONARDO DIcaprio.

He was named LEONARDO because he started kicking,
when his mother was pregnant, in front of
a LEONARDO DA VINCI painting.

All rubbish of course but it sounds great.
LEONARDO and LEONARDO DA VINCI.

In the MADELEINE McCann thread you can read about the
enormous importance of LEONARDO DA VINCI.
The BLOODLINE of JESUS and MARIA MAGDALENA.

Madeleine McCann was 1452 days old when she dissapeared.
Da Vinci was born 1452.

But back to the AVIATOR.



CATE blanchett played Katherine Hepburn.
the mother of Madeleine is KATE.
So a CATE and a KATE.



And another KAT. Katherine hepburn

KAT HEPBURN, born the
same date as
MADELEINE McCann.


Cate blanchett born 14 may. Two days after Maddie.
CATE, KAT, And KATE.
The three CATS of Anne Frank. MMM
(See the Maddie thread)

HOWARD HUGHES, the AVIATOR.
Was married to Jean PETERS

Jean Peters died
13 October Templars day.


Errol flynn was played by Jude Law in the movie.
But we have seen the ERROL FLYNN/TEMPLAR connection.

SIMON TEMPLAR, ROGER MOORE.

ROGER MOORE is IVANHOE.

loads of links from TEMPLAR James Bond, to Maddie Mccann

And you have seen the link from CATE Blanchett to Madeleine.
So where does CATE come from?

CATE Blanchett from
IVANHOE, Australia.


The wIVENHOE DAM=QUEENSLAND FLOODS...

Beautiful one day, broke the next


Paul Syvret

QUEENSLAND'S rapidly growing
debt bill since the floods
has created a chink in Australia's armour
of stellar credit ratings.
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Europe is larger then Australia, got more of everything. thumbs up

Asia (plus the Middle East) 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) 30.0%
Africa 11,608,000 Sq. Miles (30,065,000 Sq. Km) 20.3%
North America 9,365,000 Sq. Miles (24,256,000 Sq. Km) 16.3%
South America 6,880,000 Sq. Miles (17,819,000 Sq. Km) 12.0%
Antarctica 5,100,000 Sq. Miles (13,209,000 Sq. Km) 8.9%
Europe 3,837,000 Sq. Miles (9,938,000 Sq. Km) 6.7%
Australia (plus Oceania) 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) 5.2%


Australia is the Runt Continent, the smallest. thumbs up


lillywilly...... wave

did you know Europe includes Russia east to the Ural mountains? cheers

try to overlay that on your map of Australia, the Runt Continent, and the entirety of Australia would be obscured. thumbs up



Notice: North America is 3 times larger then Australia, it's like you have penis envy lillywilly. rolf

lilly, are you capable of understanding the term: RUNT CONTINENT as it pertains to Australia? It means its the SMALLEST Continent.......... thumbs up lmao rolf wave wacky

true lilly wrote:Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit. thumbs up


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure. thumbs up

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake. thumbs up


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?


http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?
....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?

..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it
.


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Bullshit can't handle pressure.it is like a bluff in a Poker Game............if I am holding an excellent hand I'll see all your bets/raises and then 'call you'.

When you produce your shit hand and I lay down my Royal Flush I'll collect the Ducats. nuthin' personal. thumbs up

There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







Cheers Matey.

cheers

http://www.scottberkun.com/essays/53-how-to-detect-bullshit/ thumbs up




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY[/quote]

why don't you explain how the following is 'Elitist' you antisemitic NAZI bitch. thumbs up

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah/God

The Human..........

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.


The promise to Abraham was that his 'seed' will measure like the sand on a beach or stars in the sky, that's alot.

Ultimately, according to Yahwehs Plan, Humankind will Colonize the Universe as loving, caring Beings. Our Echelon will rise: Right now we are below the Malakim/Angels, when Yahwehs Plan comes to full fuition we shall rule over the Malakim/Angels.

The Earth is Humankinds beginning.

The Tikun Olam

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over allits enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of lifes capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Xns.

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is Yahweh-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* Yahweh, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: Yahweh.

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of Yah'

* This emergence of "The Image of Yah" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Xns.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of Yahs' Consciousness is so much like Yahwehs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, The Human 'Image of Yah' has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* Yahweh has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of Yah', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that Yahwehs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Xns alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of Yahweh' brings with it more Yahweh like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of Yahweh'; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rightts, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh, when we achieve this Level we will be allowed access to the rest of the Universe.
Our level of development currently would only bring grief to the other inhabitants of other worlds.



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LOSERS, 'take their bat and ball and go home' Razz to 'hell'
and only the smallest of minds 'gets off' on deleting hours of work,
when they also know that 'those who matter', 'watch' every key stroke
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Post  MoMo on Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:57 am

el kabong wrote:
true lilly wrote:Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit. thumbs up


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure. thumbs up

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake. thumbs up


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?


http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?
....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?

..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it
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There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







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TORAH FOR ALL ISRAELITE NATIONSBy Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/26.php

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In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

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Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.........................

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From FULL RESTORATION OF ALL ISRAEL series
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home

Full Restoration Of Israel!
Part I of a Series


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In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting...................

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...............................lilly, you are promoting one of the sickest, must deranged and repugnant doctrines.

Church Replacement Theology...........you call it 'Spiritual Israel'. That is a lie, deceit, fraud.
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'Spiritual Israel' is any Gentile who accepts and agrees that YHWH has Blessed Abraham and his progeny with an Eternal Covenant blessing them and the ownership of Canaan/Israel for eternity.

Definition

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.

Theological Basis

Replacement Theology is closely associated with Reformed (or Covenant) Theology, the brand of theology historically linked to John Calvin (1509-1564) and the Protestant Reformation. Reformed/Covenant Theology, in turn, is closely associated with amillennialism, an eschatological view with a spiritualized (rather than literal-historical) interpretation of the prophetic Scriptures. The natural affinity these views (that is, Replacement Theology and amillennialism) seem to have for each other is understandable because Replacement Theology relies so heavily on a non-literal and allegorical interpretation of the biblical promises to Israel.

Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans - including even Calvin himself - wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God and experiencing a national regeneration, that is an increasingly marginalized, minority view in Reformed Christianity today (which is ironic, since we have seen the amazing rebirth of the nation of Israel, just as the Word of God predicted!). And even among those who allow for an end-time work of the Spirit of God among the Jewish people, there is still a reluctance to acknowledge that God is not finished with His people Israel as a nation, or to acknowledge the prospect of a future Kingdom on the Earth.

This view stands in contrast to the teachings of Dispensational Premillennialism, which affirms the continuing role that Israel plays (in tandem with the Church) in the outworking of God’s plan of redemption.

Historical Roots

Elements of Replacement Theology can be traced as far back as Marcion (A.D. 160), who carried on a theological crusade to purge the Church of what he perceived to be dangerous Jewish errors and influences. Later, many of these same anti-Judaic sentiments found their way into the thinking (and writings) of the Early Church fathers. Irenaeus (c. 180), for instance, wrote, “The Jews have rejected the Son of God and cast Him out of the vineyard when they slew Him. Therefore, God has justly rejected them and has given to the Gentiles outside the vineyard the fruits of its cultivation” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, [1885-1887], Volume 1, p. 493).

Over time, statements like these became the basis for full-blown anti-Semitism in some sectors of Christianity. Anything Jewish was renounced as an attempt to subvert and “Judaize” the Church. Teachings like chiliasm (millenarianism), for instance, were denounced as “Jewish fables.” The Early Church, which was clearly and undeniably Jewish, was described as “primitive,” unenlightened, and beset by erroneous notions that were carry-overs from ancient Judaism.

By the seventh century, Jewish people who came to faith in the Messiah were required to denounce their Jewish ancestry and heritage before they could be baptized. Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University cites the following Visigoth profession from c. A.D. 680-687: “I do here and now renounce every rite and observance of the Jewish religion, detesting all its most solemn ceremonies and tenets that in former days I kept and held. In future I will practice no rite or celebration connected with it, nor any custom of my past error, promising neither to seek it out or perform it. In the name of this Creed, which I truly believe and hold with all my heart, I promise that I will never return to the vomit of Jewish superstition. Never again will I fulfill any of the offices of Jewish ceremonies to which I was addicted, nor ever more hold them dear. I altogether deny and reject the errors of the Jewish religion, casting forth whatever conflicts with the Christian Faith, and affirming that my belief in the Holy Trinity is strong enough to make me live the truly Christian life, shun all intercourse with other Jews and have the circle of my friends only among honest Christians. With them or apart from them I must always eat Christian food, and as a genuinely devout Christian go often and reverently to Church. I promise also to maintain and embrace with due love and reverence the observance of all the Lord’s days or feasts for martyrs as declared by the piety of the Church, and upon those days to consort always with sincere Christians, as it behooves a pious and sincere Christian to do. Herewith is my profession of faith and belief as given by me on this date …” (“Professions of Faith Extracted from Jews on Baptism,’ from the Internet Medieval Sourcebook compiled by Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University [www.fordham.edu/halsall/sources/jewish-oaths.html]).

The incredible irony here is that only a few centuries earlier, the Church had been almost exclusively Jewish! The Messiah was Jewish; the writers of the Bible were Jewish; the apostles were Jewish; the earliest Christians were Jewish; the first congregation was Jewish (located in Jerusalem); and the first missionaries were Jewish!

In fact, a council of Church leaders - including Paul, Barnabas, Peter and James - was convened at Jerusalem (Acts 15) so the leaders of the new and growing Messianic Movement (known first as “the sect of the Nazarenes,” Acts 24:5) could decide upon what conditions non-Jews would be admitted into the fellowship of the saints! But here, within just a few generations, the shoe was already on the other foot! Non-Jews were in control of the Church now. Jewish doctrines (the earthly Kingdom in particular) were considered erroneous and even seditious. And non-Jewish Church leaders were laying down the terms for Jewish believers in Jesus who wished to be baptized.

Exegetical Problems with Supersessionism

Did the sins of the Jewish nation result in her rejection? Paul’s answer is found in Romans 11: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people whom He foreknew (vv. 1-2, NKJV). I say then, have they [Israel] stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! (vv. 11-12, NKJV). For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (v. 15, NKJV).

If the Jewish nation has no future in God’s plan, as the supersessionists claim, then what is the future “fullness” of Israel that Paul mentions in verse 12? And when, exactly, will the nation be resurrected (“life from the dead”) and “accepted” by God (verse 15)? Paul can’t be talking about the Church in this passage because the Church has never died - and never will (John 11:26). The only reasonable answer is that Paul is referring to a yet-future resurrection and restoration of Am Israel (the “people of Israel,” a collective term for the nation), as prophesied in passages like Ezekiel 37:1-14. It doesn’t mean they will automatically be saved simply because they are Jewish; rather, it means that the majority of Jewish people who are living at that time will recognize Yeshua of Nazareth as their Messiah and receive Him as Savior (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26).

They will be saved in the same way believers from all ages and generations have been saved; that is, they will be saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-10). The problem with saying that God rejected His people Israel is that the term “rejection” implies permanence and finality. Paul’s forceful statements in Romans 11 probably indicate that people were claiming, even in his day, that God had “cast away” His people Israel (v. 1). They were saying that Israel had “stumbled’ and “fallen” from her former position (vv. 11-12). Paul rejected any such notion (“Certainly not!” in verses 1 and 11). Then he goes on to say that even if we insist on saying that they were rejected, then we are forced to the conclusion that the rejection is only temporary. Even if we insist on saying that they did stumble and fall, then it must also be said that their fall brought salvation to the rest of the world (Gentiles) - and Israel’s fall, too, is only temporary because they are destined to be restored one day to a position of “fullness” (v. 12).

The “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom. 11:25) refers to the time when the full number of non-Jewish believers has been added to the ranks of the Church and the last person has been saved. Likewise, the “fullness” of the Jewish people (v. 12) refers to the time when “all Israel shall be saved” (v. 26). As we saw earlier, that means the Jewish people en masse will recognize and receive their Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth. There may be some dissenters - and their probably will be - but the Holy Spirit of God will do a powerful work among the Jewish people, and multitudes of them - the vast majority of them - will come to faith in the Messiah of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth.

The truth is that God is no more finished with Israel than He is finished with the Gentiles. Neither one has been replaced by the other; and God’s plan for both remains intact, in spite of their failures. This is really the crux of the issue. Replacement Theology says that Israel was rejected by God and that the rejection was permanent and irrevocable; however, we say that God’s calling on Israel was permanent and irrevocable, in spite of her many sins and shortcomings (Romans 11:29)

What Did the Apostles Believe About the Millennium?

Another problem for supersessionism and amillennialism is that these views are not in harmony with the teachings of the Apostles and the Early Church. Almost without exception, Church historians agree that chiliasm, an early form of premillennialism, was the position of the Early (Jewish) Church. In his classic, encyclopedic History of the Christian Church, Philip Schaff wrote, “The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene Age [A.D. 100-325] is the prominent chiliasm, or millenarianism, … a widely current opinion of distinguished teachers, such as Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, and Lactantius …” (Scribner, 1884; Vol. 2, p. 614).

What’s interesting about this admission is that it comes from someone who was neither evangelical nor premillennial. Schaff, in fact, was himself an ardent supersessionist! He wrote, “The carnal Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament is a diabolical perversion. The Christians, and not the Jews, are the true Israel of God and the righteous owners of the Old Testament Scriptures” (Ibid., Sec. 167, “Barnabas”). Yet as a student of history and as a scholar, he had to acknowledge that chiliasm was “prominent” in the Early Church, even though he himself despised it.

It should be noted that Papias (who believed in a future, earthly Kingdom) was a disciple of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of the Apostle John who actually penned the passages in the Book of Revelation about the Millennial Kingdom. Premillennialism, then, may be the only eschatological system with an unbroken link directly to the author of the Apocalypse. This means that amillennialism represents a departure from what the Early Church believed. Augustine (354-430), author of City of God, a 22-volume defense of his theological views, proposed ideas similar to what we know as amillennialism (Books 15 to 19). However, even Augustine started out as a premillennialist! It wasn’t until later in his life that he decided that the prophecies about (and promises to) Israel should be interpreted symbolically and applied to the Church, rather than being interpreted literally and applied to Israel.

The Sticking Point: Messiah’s Millennial Monarchy

Evangelicals have been busy for years trying to hammer out an understanding between premillennial dispensationalists and adherents of Reformed/Covenant Theology. Dispensationalists who have been actively pursuing this agenda (and making concessions to the opposing view) are known as “progressive dispensationalists.” The one point, however, that continues to be a fly in the ointment of reconciliation is the Millennial Kingdom. Even Covenant theologians who allow for an end-time mass conversion of the Jewish people still have difficulty accepting Israel’s role in a future, literal Kingdom on the Earth. This shows just how diverse amillennialism and premillennialism are and how difficult it is to bridge the gap between them without seriously compromising one or the other.

Why Is This Error Dangerous?

Is Replacement Theology really worth arguing about? Or is this discussion much ado about nothing? One reason it’s important to call attention to questionable theology, no matter how deeply entrenched it may be in traditional Christianity is that sooner or later, bad theology always leads to bad practice - and in this case, it already has! Replacement Theology has provided the basis for all sorts of mischief, persecution, and atrocities against the Jewish people throughout Christian history.

For example, Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, was a supersessionist. Near the end of his life, he said that synagogues and Jewish schools should be burned to the ground, Jewish people run out of their homes, their prayer books and Talmudic writings burned, and the rabbis forbidden to preach or teach on penalty of death (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], pp. 268-271). Luther also declared that Jewish people in Germany should be confined to their own homes and neighborhoods - a plan the Nazis implemented literally when they quarantined Jewish families in ghettos in Poland and other places before shipping them to the death camps for extermination. One historian writes: It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther’s advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering, and Himmler (William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich [New York: Simon & Shuster, 1960], p. 236).

No one is suggesting that anyone who believes in Replacement Theology is an anti-Semite or would agree with Luther’s statements. That would be an unfair characterization - and it certainly is not the case. It is important, nevertheless, to examine the implications and ramifications of any position, including Replacement Theology: and it is an incontestable fact that ideas similar to those of Replacement Theology have inspired some horrible atrocities against the Jewish people.

We’re Making Progress!

As we observed earlier, the term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new, and is generally avoided by adherents of supersessionism. As far as they are concerned, they’re simply espousing traditional theology - and in a sense, they are! Supersessionist ideas have been widely accepted in mainstream Christianity since the third century or so, as mainstream Christianity was gradually losing its original Jewish character. The Gentile powers-that-be in early institutional (Eastern and Western) Christianity wanted to distance themselves from Christianity’s Jewish origins. And they did!

The good new is that slowly but surely we’re making progress in our battle against Replacement Theology. Everywhere we go, all over the world, (even Arab countries!), we find believers who acknowledge Israel’s unique and ongoing place in God’s plan of the ages, and who are anxiously awaiting that Golden Age when, for the first time, “they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the Earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9).

Most Baptists today are premillennial (except for the most liberal Baptist denominations), as are many Bible churches, particularly those associated with IFCA (Independent Fundamental Churches of America) International and similar groups of independent churches. There are even premillennial Presbyterians! Our ranks are growing with every day that passes. Much of the opposition comes from the more liberal, mainline denominations and their seminaries. And it’s not merely coincidental that these are the same churches and institutions that are aligned with the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian World and National Councils of Churches.

If you’d like to know if your church leaders believe in Replacement Theology, ask them! If they are not familiar with the term, be patient because it’s entirely possible that they have never heard it before, even if they attended seminary. Also, it’s not likely that they’ve ever knowingly aligned themselves with any view that’s anti-Semitic, anti-Judaic or anti-Israel. This may all be new to them! Ask them, very humbly and sincerely, if they believe that God rejected Israel when Israel rejected His Son in the first century and that as a result, He has no future plan or purpose for the Jewish nation. They may reply that yes, of course, Jewish people can be saved and join the Church - and to them, that means God has a plan for the Jewish people. However, that’s not what we’re asking. We want to know if they believe that God is no longer dealing with the Jewish nation - and don’t be surprised if the answer, ultimately, is in the affirmative. After all, as we saw earlier, this has been the predominant view of mainstream Christianity for centuries - roughly since the time of Augustine, in fact. Sadly, this view has become normative in much of the Church, including many denominations and their seminaries.

Let’s not be afraid to challenge theological tradition when it’s wrong. It’s our responsibility to proclaim and defend the premillennial hope of the Church - and the nation of Israel - in these days of widespread error and apostasy. We should encourage our premillennial Bible colleges and seminaries to take a stand on Replacement Theology and challenge them to produce graduates who are knowledgeable about the historical and theological issues Replacement Theology encompasses. There’s a lot we can do, and we should be doing all we can!



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Post  true lilly on Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:41 am

HACK AWAY...
I'll see your spam, and raise it, with Good Food...
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true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey True Lilly,
you
should,without spam,write up the definitive account,of what happened,in
your words,as you and Tintin,became friends,then had a fall-out
and
now,you've learnt of Tintins' international power and intrigue...all in
one story,that can be broken down into parts.Not all at once.
Yeah,just a thought....


What makes 'you' think 'you' 'should' 'tell' me, what I 'should' do?

"Bullshit, any Bullshit can't take pressure. "

...which is why the bullshitters keep snipping, threatening, attacking,
then running away and hiding, from one little woman who honestly lives
in faith of the faithfulness of The Creator of Life.

Bullshitters like you, too gutless to personally quiz me,
(a person you know to be real, and really who I've shown
myself to be), as the person you are, in this real world,
or even as a fake person over another's phone. Rolling Eyes


And the real you, does know full well, just how much pressure,
I continue to live under, while maintaining the strength to take joy
in 'the little things', of True Value.

But here's something good that came of 'tintin's' betrayal of my hospitality
and offer of friendship; he showed the world that those who aim to betray
one who offers faithful friendship, only end up betraying themselves, and
some may choose to learn from that and repent of the evils they plot, before,
it's too late.


PROVERBS 6: 1 to 5

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=6&v=1&t=KJV#top

As I've explained, I offered 'tintin' a life line
with which to pull himself from the demons that
torment him in this life, and a fate worse than,
the first 'death' (into 'the big sleep'), by showing him
the real blessings (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
of those who don't deny, The Holy Spirit of Truth,
but he is still, choosing to turn it into his own noose.

As are all who still knowingly, willingly, choose to fight God.

PSALMS 78
1 Do give ear, O my people, to my law;
Incline YOUR ear to the sayings of my mouth.

2 In a proverbial saying I will open my mouth;
I will cause riddles of long ago to bubble forth,

3 Which we have heard and know,
And which our own fathers have related to us;

4 Which we do not hide from their sons,
Relating [them] even to the generation to come,
The praises of Jehovah and his strength
And his wonderful things that he has done.

5 And he proceeded to raise up a reminder in Jacob,
And a law he set in Israel,
Things that he commanded our forefathers,
To make them known to their sons;

6 In order that the generation to come,
the sons that were to be born, might know [them],
That they might rise up and relate [them] to their sons,

7 And that they might set their confidence in God himself
And not forget the practices of God but observe his own commandments.

8 And they should not become like their forefathers,
A generation stubborn and rebellious,
A generation who had not prepared their heart
And whose spirit was not trustworthy with God.

...oh DO, read on; contemplate the full meanings
of each blessing word, and take it to heart:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=78&v=1&t=KJV#top

Bless God. Bless The King. Bless all seeking to be faithful,
with The Holy Spirit's power to do so.
Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Israel Was Mentioned In The Book Of Genesis....

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” Genesis 32

Genesis 32
Jacob Prepares to Meet Esau

1 [a]Jacob also went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
2 When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is the camp of God!” So he named that place Mahanaim.[b]

3 Jacob sent messengers ahead of him to his brother Esau in the land of Seir, the country of Edom.
4 He instructed them: “This is what you are to say to my lord Esau:
‘Your servant Jacob says, I have been staying with Laban and have
remained there till now.
5 I have cattle and donkeys, sheep and goats, male and female servants.
Now I am sending this message to my lord, that I may find favor in your eyes.’”

6 When the messengers returned to Jacob, they said, “We went to your
brother Esau, and now he is coming to meet you, and four hundred men are
with him.”

7 In great fear and distress Jacob divided the
people who were with him into two groups, and the flocks and herds and
camels as well.
8 He thought, “If Esau comes and attacks one group, the group that is left may escape.”

9 Then Jacob prayed, “O God of my father Abraham, God of my father
Isaac, LORD, you who said to me, ‘Go back to your country and your
relatives, and I will make you prosper,’
10 I am unworthy of all the kindness and faithfulness you have shown your servant.
I had only my staff when I crossed this Jordan, but now I have become two camps.
11
Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau, for I am afraid he
will come and attack me, and also the mothers with their children.
12
But you have said, ‘I will surely make you prosper and will make your
descendants like the sand of the sea, which cannot be counted.’”

13 He spent the night there, and from what he had with him he selected a gift for his brother Esau:
14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams,
15 thirty female camels with their young, forty cows and ten bulls, and twenty female donkeys and ten male donkeys.
16 He put them in the care of his servants, each herd by itself, and
said to his servants, “Go ahead of me, and keep some space between the
herds.”

17 He instructed the one in the lead: “When my brother
Esau meets you and asks, ‘Who do you belong to, and where are you going,
and who owns all these animals in front of you?’
18 then you are to say, ‘They belong to your servant Jacob.
They are a gift sent to my lord Esau, and he is coming behind us.’”

19 He also instructed the second, the third and all the others who
followed the herds: “You are to say the same thing to Esau when you meet
him.
20 And be sure to say, ‘Your servant Jacob is coming behind
us.’” For he thought, “I will pacify him with these gifts I am sending
on ahead; later, when I see him, perhaps he will receive me.”
21 So Jacob’s gifts went on ahead of him, but he himself spent the night in the camp.
Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female
servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.
23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions.
24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
25
When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket
of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the
man.
26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”


29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip.
32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached
to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched
near the tendon.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 32&version=NIV

What Is Interesting In This,

Is That Jacob Became Lamed...


The Conquest of Jerusalem [1 Chron 11:4-9]

6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem against the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land, who
spoke to David, saying, "You shall not come in here; but the blind and the lame will repel you,"
thinking, "David cannot come in here."
7 Nevertheless David took the stronghold of Zion (that is,
the City of David).
8 Now David said on that day, "Whoever climbs up by way of the water shaft and defeats the
Jebusites (the lame and the blind, who are hated by David's soul), he shall be chief and captain."
Therefore they say, "The blind and the lame shall not come into the house."

To Be Damadged In The Hip Was A Sign Of Messiahship...!!!



...mmm...what IS interesting is 'your' 'biblical' 'quote'...
somewhat, VERY different (and so, VERY confused), from
what is written and MEANT in Holy Scripture...


1 Chronicles - Chapter 11
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Ch&c=11&v=1&t=KJV#top

...mmm...and interesting to, how scars from youth, become bigger with age...

The once tiny scars, from the then, revolutionary, 'Key Hole' surgery
that fixed my dislocated hips
(and turned around my 5% chance of
ever walking at all, to one who could walk, and 'dance up a storm' by 6),
I noticed in the bath, just yesterday morning, are now, quite noticeable.

As is the scar on my 'wedding ring' finger, that I got at age 6, the same day
I won my first debate on what God asks of us; to discover decades later,
that it was Holy Scripture (I didn't know at the time), I had para-phrased.

...and, the scar on my 'wedding' ring finger, that only 'fitted' on the day we bought it,
and that I kept losing and finding, until losing it forever, when finally, I was
left in no doubt, that it wasn't only my husband who hated me, for loving God,
more than worldly things...a scar in the shape of an ancient letter, that in this age,
is commonly, pronounced as "J".

But no, it's not me
with the Messiah DELUSION...
buried under pages of 'el kabong'/'Billy Ruben' spam,
is an actual quote...of just one of 'tintin's' MANY statements that
HE BELIEVES HIMSELF TO BE 'The christ'...but NOT, THE PERFECT,
RESURRECTED SON of The Creator of Life...
...

...mind you, JACOB WAS, A BREEDER of CHAMPIONS...
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